ROTARY SERIES #2: Finally Shedding Light on How to Thread a Vintage White Rotary Machine

FINALLY!! I literally have been waiting for the right lighting conditions that might make a viable video on this topic possible. Threading diagrams for sewing machines can be challenging to read whether its for upper threading or lower/bobbin case threading. Here I demonstrate how to thread a White Rotary Sewing Machine Model 77. This thread path should generally apply for most other Rotary machines that were produced by the White Co. of this machine design type and could include (with a few variations on thread path) machines under the names: Kenmore Rotary, Domestic Rotary, Franklin Rotary, and Dressmaster Rotary.

[@jacobkeller29]

Please don’t ever delete this video because I can’t use this thing without watching this video

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Thanks for watching Jacob. I made this video when I realized there were so few online and because its hard to read the manuals sometimes!

[@mrsweirdfantastictoys3361]

Love that you showed this I’ve never had one but seen some

[@cameronolson3257]

You hope it was helpful? You have no idea! You are the best sir! Got a 77 that folds down into table from mother who got it from her grandmother i believe. Took it because I'm short and I can never find jeans that fit (34/28 or 29). Learned how to hem pants on sisters cheap sewing machine and always had trouble at seams so am hoping this machine will make it much easier. It;s in fabulous shape so when I watched a vid of yours you mentioned it can sew thru 3/4 layers of leather and how good it was I got super excited! Also got a bunch of accessories made by Greist or Creist (3 Hemmers, 5 stitch Ruffler, a Binder, a narrow Hemmer) and 2 others that don't have the names on them but look very technical. Keep up the amazing videos. Your great! Thank you so much!

[@katherineallen4441]

Very helpful. I just bought a kenmore E 6354 in good condition. I'm looking forward to using it.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@makeachangeformartinluther7078]

Yes, you are fabulous in showing all the details. Thank you so much!.👵

[@lindasimpson8091]

I'm so glad to have found your tutorial! I inherited my mother-in-law's machine and even with the original manual, I couldn't for the life of me figure out the the business around the tension disk. This machine is going to be a challenge: I also have at least 6 different feet, each for different functions. I've subscribed, because I'm pretty sure I've got a lot to learn.

[@lilmagggie]

I spend days trying to thread this machine with the manual to no avail. Watched your video and did the step by step with you and it is threaded. Thank you so much.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

You're welcome!

[@elijahmartin3619]

Feel free to contact me I'm looking at a old while family rotary need help with the vener on the cabinet

[@wyomingcreations8824]

Very well done video Thank you

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@sararodger8978]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! l have had a white machine given to m and l didn't know what to do with it. l am soo happy that l found your videos, now l have a new machine.

[@sewingmistakesunlimited]

Perfect. I didn't know this machine was exactly the same as my white rotary. Thank you for giving some history also.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Glad to help

[@kasiar1540]

Thank you so much! I have two of these and I can't wait to use them!

[@elanamarie]

Thank you! This was awesome. I have my grandmother’s machine (Domestic) in a beautiful wood cabinet. Your series is helping me so much. And the detail of this is perfection.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

So great to hear this was helpful Elana. All the best with your heirloom machine!

[@k-michael8014]

I have this machine as well! Its in a case instead of a table! Great! video on how to thread it!

[@mikezimmermann2251]

Amazingly helpful, thank you so much!

[@jomercer21113]

I learned to sew on a circa 1952 White with the black crinkle finish, a knee lever, and in a cabinet that folded open to use. I don't know whatever happened to it, but I wish I had it now! Many sewing machines from that era are "Frankensteinian" mashups of parts on hand.

[@mercedesescoto628]

this video was most helpful. thank you.

[@barbaraadkins628]

Thank you for this !! Do you have a video about removing/cleaning/re-setting the handwheel....took mine off and can't get the wheel back on !! It's a White Rotary 117.552. Many thanks for your time !

[@brendalaveine7756]

I have one my mother had when young. Needs be cleaned! Mine says White co. Dressmaster, rotary, 127-81591 . On bottom says 813-3, 12/13

[@belindaleighfrazier8165]

Wow. Awesome. U are the best.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Thank you so much 😀

[@coffeeandlifting]

FYI on the older rotary machines, the thread actually does go through the tensioner from the right side. The assembly is reversed. I had to pull out my machine to confirm because I panicked when you said come in from the left! Sure enough, the older machine is backwards. For reference, mine is a White "Dressmaster" 127 rotary. Fantastic machine.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Ah, great that you caught that. White produced lots of these Rotary models and some under various names and specs depending on the customer whether it was Sears or another retailer. And yes, they are some of the most amazing (and underappreciated) vintage machines you can buy. They often go for much less than Singers do and the rotary style straight stitch they make is one of the finest and I would put it right up there with the Singer rotary models such as the Featherweight 221 and 201. Under my "MOTOR SERIES" of videos, I made one showing how beautifully simple it is to access and service the motors they used. Rotary models such as yours are incredible bargains.

[@coffeeandlifting]

@@VintageSewingMachineGarage I'm glad to hear you feel the same way about the old rotary machines. I think they're the best straight stitchers. I recently picked up another one from a thrift store- a Kenmore 117.551. Just needed a new tire and oil. Such a smooth machine.

[@CleverEwe]

Thank you so much. I could not use my machine if it were not for your series of videos on the 77 Series.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Great to hear!

[@benedictmackiewicz7646]

I have the same question a previous poster, Jose Menjivar. Have some type of slight tension switch on side of machine along with the knob on front. The switch raises and lowers the spring. Machine is new to me and unfortunately didn't include a manual. Haven't had chance to test run the machine to see if there is any discernible difference with the settings.

[@benedictmackiewicz7646]

Found the answer! Typical stitch setting is S. Zig-zag attachment, move switch to Z. For Ruffler or Shirring foot use *. M is for decorative stitching.

[@gloriarice5023]

Just found a177552 in the cabinet, needs to be restored, major makeover. I have no idea where to take it. Louisville Kentucky

[@SleighRich]

Great video! My Dressmaster, I think, is a bit older than this one, but so much is similar. Can you offer any insight on how to adjust the timing of the hook? Thank you!

[@aa-oq1ev]

My Domestic 153 has the same way of threading - just mirror image

[@annesummers09]

Is the shiny ring around the hand wheel chrome or nickel plated and how would you restore that if it was scratched and bubbled/pitted?

[@eunicetimbrook54]

Hi, I have a Domestic 153...I took off the faceplate to clean...Now I can't figure out how the connecting Rod goes on the needle bar...I mean how does the rod fit...does the small or large end go on the needle bar?

[@belindaleighfrazier8165]

I luv the underdog machines.

[@rickc.183]

Oddly, my comment about missing a step in threading seems to have been deleted. There is a notch in the upper part of the tension disk area that the thread hooks into after you catch the check spring (and before the take up lever). This keeps the thread securely in between the tension disks and should not be skipped.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hello Rick and thank you for your comment. I am not sure how your comment was deleted since I should be the only person with access to editing my channel, but it was not intentional. I will be doing more work on this machine and will go back and double check the threading to be sure that I catch all of the threading points. If I miss any, I'm sure the machine will let me know. Sewing machines are particular about their thread paths and as I'm sure you know, they don't tolerate missed thread points/guides. Thank you for re-commenting as I find all comments helpful.

[@josemenjivar4336]

question! i have white rotary 77 at the tension side have a dial with some marks (M * S Z) i been looking everywhere even on the user manual doesn't refer to anything, theres a way i can send a pic? thanks

[@tracygoodman6525]

I have one that you would love: white rotary 75 series. (1937). There are no videos out there of this machine. The 77 series is of no help to me.

[@emmanuelalfonso8943]

Hi., thank you for sharing this video...any one help pls.,my mom wants to use our machine same as this...but the problem is the thread not catching the needle from the bobbin..,tnx

[@jillcunningham630]

We've threaded the machine & threaded the bobbin just as you show in your videos, but the thread does not feed from the bobbin. Any suggestions?

[@VictusArt]

Having some issues with my 43 model white rotary. Is there any way I could get some help?

[@mercedesescoto628]

please show us to work with a 83 white vintage machine. Haven’t been able to buy bobbins or the rubber motor guider.. HELP !!!

[@gmansideas7463]

Can you share a link on how to convert the knee control to a foot control system for my wife's Kenmore 95 rotary by White Co. Model 117.959 made in 1948? Thanks.

[@46Bobbie]

Wrong. According to the book, at the point that you say you caught the check spring but you haven't really. The book says at that point to pull up and push the thread to the back or away from you if you are in front of the machine. Then the thread will actually catch in a small groove about a half inch above the check spring and go into the loop of the check spring. Then you will see the spring works in its full motion. The way you have it, it barley moves. Hope this helps someone.

[@46Bobbie]

Sorry to be so blunt at the start of my comment. I dod it so that it would catch the eye of others. A machine will sew without the check spring working properly but only of you adjust the tension very tight. And still it won't work great but it can get by in a pinch. I thank you very much for the videos you make so dont let it discourage you that you didn't get this one thing quite right. You make great videos. Keep up the good work.

[@dwightolsen2688]

Just for interest I also have a White model 43. Cleaned up, serviced and sews beautifully. Have for sale.

[@user-cp5bg7mz3h]

I have a Domestic Rotary model 151and what I learned about it takes a certain needle can you help me with what kind I need to get thank you

[@user-jd4yx1tk8r]

Where do you buy the replacement parts for these models of sewing machine? My children found one at an estate sale for me and I have it sewing, but several pieces are rusted 😅

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

sewingmachine221sale.bizland.com/store/page44.html

[@robertberry2671]

Have you ever had to clean the tension disk and then readjust these? It's a pain! I don't think there are any adjuster manuals! Thankfully, my 77 still works!

[@KJ7JHN]

do you have any suggestions on where I could get the manual for a Kenmore 1120? Thanks!

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

You might have your best access to a PDF of the manual by joining a vintage Kenmore sewing machine group on Facebook. Lots of fellow vintage sewers on there where you can also find files including manuals.

[@KJ7JHN]

@@VintageSewingMachineGarage Awesomeness, thank you for your help and work you do.

[@rhondalambert8968]

Thank you very helpful video. I cant get my top stitch right

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

You’re welcome

[@vasigrantsaris855]

Does this machine take a regular needle like the Singer needles at the local sewing store?

[@4cysmith]

Vasi Grantsaris i want to learn this, too.

[@esperanzalevario6974]

Da vuelta al reves.?

[@gladyvalentin8003]

Thank you ! I need a manual for this machine. I don't know how to get that. I don't know how to put the Needle back in the machine. Thank you. God bless you.

[@mikezimmermann2251]

If you still need to find a manual, go to singer.com (Singer and White are now owned by the same company), go to the "support and manuals" section, and search by typing w followed by the first three digits of the model number (can usually be found on a metal plate at the base of the machine, not the model number on the motor) For instance, when I found my manual I typed in w127 and found it. Hope this helps.

[@PVdesigns8906]

Thanks for this video. Can this machine be used for free motion quilting? If so how would I drop tge feed dogs and what foot.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hello Patricia. I checked the online PDF version of this machine's manual. On page 47, it states: "Set the machine for a short stitch. Release the pressure on the presser bar, turn the top knurled section of the presser bar cap (pressure release) Fig. 7, Page 9, one quarter turn counter-clockwise. Hold the fabric taut, or insert in embroidery hoops, and pull forward then backward, then from side to side until the hole is completely filled. When darning is completed, push down on the pressure release until it meets the lower section of the cap, then give the top one quarter turn clockwise, locking the cap securely." NOTE: I have not attempted free motion/darning work on one of these. This technique of setting the stitch length regulator to the shortest setting is an approach that some people have used on machines such as this model that did not have a built in mechanism to lower the feed dogs. I have not seen any cover plates for these which is one way that Singers could be darned on (early Singer models that also had no feed dog release).

[@PVdesigns8906]

I have the Kenmore 117-552. It has a beautiful stitch, so I won't try to fmq on this machine. I oiled it and replaced the needle. I love sewing on this machine. Thanks for all you do.

[@belindaleighfrazier8165]

I have a sears roebuck "COMMANDER" I know Nothing about it. Model 117.300 Can you hhelp me with some info on the manual and how to clean it and thread it.

[@rhondaswanson2656]

I have a dress master machine and I need the bobbins and bobbin case and the squad plate right next to the needle plat we’re can I get them ?

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hello Rhonda. If you don't see what you need at Bonanza.come, here is another site that I have found Rotary parts at. NOTE: Be sure to ask the seller if the bobbin case , plate etc. fit your specific model. Its very likely that the White company built your machine along with the Kenmores, but the bobbin cases can vary.

[@gladyvalentin8003]

How to put the nedle

[@estaschubert6556]

OMG! I just got a vintage white rotary 77 sewing machine and I am looking to learn all about it. I currently have 5 singer machines. And make items that that my current machines struggle to sew through thickness and this one looks like it will handle it. I am looking for the power cord replacement and wondering if there are places to find replacement parts for this awesome machine? Is it hard to restore these? Your video on threading these is so helpful! Thank you!

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hi there Esta. Yes, due to the high production numbers of these machines over the years, you can get brand new reproduction cords for MOST of these. It will depend on whether you have a foot pedal or knee pedal. You can find these online at a number of sewing parts retailers. I get many of my parts here: sew-classic.com

[@estaschubert6556]

Vintage Sewing Machine Garage , Hi again. I have a knee pedal and it is attached to the inside of the sewing desk. I will spending sometime this weekend in trying to do some cleaning in it and Loki g it over more closely to see what really needs to be done to get this beauty restored. I have to say this is a sewing machine that I am actually excited about using! So I would like to know if the knee pedal can be chanced out for a foot one? Do you have to stick to white only replacements?

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hi Esta. Yes, these can be converted. You will need to order a new replacement cord and have someone wire it for you. You might take it to a Sew-Vac center and see if they can wire a new cord to a pedal. They might not stock the cords but they are available online and are not very costly. Good luck with your machine!

[@estaschubert6556]

Vintage Sewing Machine Garage hi again. I finally started cleaning my machine or as I call it showing it some Love and care. I found what I think is snidely or serial number and hoping you might be able to confirm it. I am looking for some replacement and accessories and want to make sure I have the correct information. I see an E-6354. In the back plate

[@tommygamba170]

I have a white family rotary, 1908 with manual and warranty paper work. I'm not sure about the all of the feet I have and how to thread this one. I took it apart to clean and the spring for the thread seems to be loser.

[@tahanikhoury542]

I have old one I never started does it comes with foot peddle beacause mine doesn’t have one

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Some might have foot pedals but "Most" of these came installed with kneel pedals. If you have a table, look underneath and there should be a lever attached to a small card deck sized box. That is your speed control.

[@ryancam5922]

What is the name and model of pulley motor? I need one for my kenmore 177552 and can i buy on line. Thanks for video.

[@mikezimmermann2251]

I've been working with a similar machine I picked up, and I believe this particular motor is a White Corp. e-6354 motor.

[@juanaisabelmonjepastran8498]

Hola tengo una máquina white Rotary en la parte donde el hilo se conecta en el pequeño gancho se me cayó el tornillo y no sé cómo va las piezas son tornillo una engranaje el gancho como como volver a acomodarlo

[@martavelazquez9924]

Thank you very much and now how to tighten the thread because your stitch is very small.

[@TheKittyhawk1]

were can we find bobbins for theses machines ?

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Ebay, Etsy, Bonanza.com I would try to find vintage versions as they are not any more costly than new reproduction versions.

[@dwightolsen2688]

I have a 77 also. Having some issues with balancing the bobbin and the needle tensions. It’s been sewing fine then suddenly something happened and not sure what.

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hello Dwight. It is tough to know without seeing the machine, but check to see if you have recently installed a new needle or installed a new bobbin or new thread up top. These are common times when issues can crop up. Also, check to be sure you have threaded the machine. I mention these things since even one of them being off can create stitch forming issues though there could be other causes.

[@dwightolsen2688]

Vintage Sewing Machine Garage Found the issue! The thread had gotten out of place in the tension loop. Sewing great again! Love the sound of the 77👍🏼

[@peggyflowers6755]

I have a 1938 Kenmore 117.600. It was recently professionally serviced and was working great ... until ... a thread got caught in the bobbin holder. It is jammed and nothing will move. I have removed the presser foot, bobbin, and face plate, but still can't get the thread out. How do I remove the bobbin holder and feed dogs, as that is where I believe the jam is located. There is some thread sticking out of the feed dogs. HELP!

[@TheVelvetKitten]

tweezers, seam ripper, patience ... unplug it first

[@peggyflowers6755]

@@TheVelvetKitten It was fixed last year. I'm downsizing my sewing room, now the Kenmore and its cabinet are for sale.

[@denisebendickson8593]

why is the thread not in the tension disc in the front?

[@VintageSewingMachineGarage]

Hi Denise. The knob you see on the front is not a tension disc like on most machines. That knob adjusts tension, but the actually tensioner for these machiens is on the side.

[@vijayshah4337]

If you use light what is called soft box you will not have any shadows that’s what we use in studio lighting

[@robertberry2671]

My 77 doesn't thread that easy! The tension assy. can be very uncooperative !!!

[@lhannis1]

It would be grand if someone would make a 3rd party wish bone bobbin case that isn't $40

[@lidiethalvarador9004]

Me puede esplicar en español no entiendo en inglés porque tengo una de esa me la regalaron me la enviaron a,costa rica

[@esperanzalevario6974]

Es Domestyc Rotary.la rueda da al revés. No al frente.

[@guadalupecalderonlopez1865]

Por Dios santo hablas demasiado!!! . Solo has las cosas y listo

[@andreamacdonald3424]

I have a White Rotary Sewing Machine, model ## 77- 193672 It is NOT a Dressmaster. I need to change the motor pully, but it's stuck. I took the screw off, but not matter whst I do, it won't budge. What do I need to do to get it off ? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.