Virtua Fighter 3 Sega model 3 Arcade Vs Sega Dreamcast

[@abymohanan2043]

Thanks for this video 👍🏻👌🏻✌🏻

[@RGF]

Thank you, for watching 😀👍

[@stevenoconnor5693]

The one thing that should be realized in this comparison is that it shows just how amazing the Dreamcast library really was and how well it’s held up to it’s Arcade counterpart. Even to this day it is considered one of my favorite systems of all time there have been some amazing memories and titles made and purchased in this current generation but I have to say as far as retro and one of my most near and dear to heart systems it has to be the dreamcast by far

[@RGF]

An powerhouse.... But it was too late for Sega... And the lack of dvd support really had impact... But yes.. It was/is a great system.... Thx 4 watching, once again... 👍

[@glaucioakira8936]

Curious to note that the Arcade version also had capped graphips in comparison with the original VF3 in order to comport 3 chars in a fight, but many magazines at the time didn't state for this, simply saying that the Dreamcast version was inferior when it wasn't, it was on pair with its counterpart.

[@RGF]

Thx 4 you very relevant feedback 👍👍

[@MH-yp6wg]

"curious to note that the Arcade version also had capped graphips in comparison with the original VF3 in order to comport 3 chars in a fight" - do you have a source or a video confirming that?

[@RazorEdge2006]

The backgrounds look more detailed in the arcade version, but the characters look almost identical in both versions.

[@RGF]

That's true, yes, thx for watching

[@animeaddict5301]

This game was originally for the Saturn and was canceled. So what you see here is a mid-generation port AM2 were too busy at the time so went to another studio. Considering it was hurried to match the release of the Dreamcast they did a good job. I think if it was made for the Dreamcast from the start and given the time needed it could have been arcade-perfect just look at Namco's Soul Calibur remake for the Dreamcast!

[@RGF]

Yes, true story, fully agree with you 👍

[@Leo-xh8pp]

Dead or Alive 2 também foi um ótimo port para o Dreamcast, assim como soul calibur! :)

[@itsaPIXELthing]

Oh, man! The Dreamcast is so awesome! Love the system! Arcade perfect stuff! Thanks for this, mate! Keep it up!

[@RGF]

Dreamcast means arcade at home 😊 Thx 4 watching my master👍

[@plasmahdtv]

That is not arcade perfect, far from it sadly.

[@sexshit1107]

Just need to see dead or alive 2 to realise what the Dreamcast could have done with this port.It could have been much better but still as an arcade port, it's quite close.

[@adidas1984x]

Loved virtua fighter 3 when I was younger . Many memories of it in arcade and being like wow this is a beautiful game .

[@RGF]

I have the same....amazing times....

[@MH-yp6wg]

Pause at 1:14 or 1:23 and look at the grass-/mountain-textures in the background. Sharp on Model 3, blurry on dreamcast.

[@RGF]

The DC port was outsourced and rushed....🥲

[@MH-yp6wg]

@@RGF Well... the arcade-original had a troubled developement process and time pressure as well.

[@RGF]

But the home port it had even more....i guess...

[@MH-yp6wg]

@@RGF People tend to say this because they like to defend the DC; but the arcade-version had a LOT of difficulties to overcome, too, such as enormous time pressure, unfinished specs for the board that arrived with many delays, pressure from other arcade companies such as Nameco, a completely new and MUCH, much more complex and difficult to code platform than the DC and the fact that 3D-engines and general knowledge just was not as advanced in 96 as it was in 98. But yes, the DC-port is actually quite good and you have to look careful to make out the differences. It ist not arcade-perfect, but a great game nonetheless!

[@iPlaySEGA]

Genki had to rush the DC port. It's still very good, even with some let down here and there.

[@RGF]

The DC was a very easy system to program... GENKI did a port in record time... AM2 was working on the Saturn port... Thx 4 watching 👍

[@RECHOOSENONE]

Who blame genki, comprasio vf 4 on naomi 2 and ps2

[@RGF]

I will do so..

[@VOAN]

Just so you know there were two versions of Virtua Fighter 3 in the arcade. The vanilla version and the tb (team battle) version. AM2 only works on the vanilla version and that one was suppose to be ported to the Sega Saturn but Sega instead assign AM2 to make the Virtua Fighter RPG instead, an RPG that would eventually become Shenmue. When the Dreamcast arrive, Sega choose Virtua Fighter 3 the tb version to be ported to Dreamcast instead of the vanilla version. That is why the Dreamcast version felt a bit inferior.

[@animeaddict5301]

I wish Virtua Fighter 1 & 2 made it to the Dreamcast

[@RGF]

As a compilation?Like sega ages?

[@MoonScythe1]

The DC version was clearly NOT arcade perfect, but it was pretty damn close. I have no doubt that with a bit more time and mature dev kits, this would have been more than arcade perfect.

[@RGF]

Absolutely....it plays great as well...

[@RetroGamePlayers]

I literally just acquired a Virtua Fighter 2 arcade cab yesterday. So heavy, it's insane. But yeah I played the 3tb on DC back when it came out, was one of the games I bought new for the system. Awesome video dude!

[@RGF]

My God... An Sega model 2 arcade cabinet...... Is it in good shape?

[@RetroGamePlayers]

@@RGF the cabinet is excellent, the monitor only has lines, but i haven't attempted any adjustments yet.

[@RGF]

You're very lucky.... Thx 4 sharing... 😁👍

[@christrainer8168]

Hell yeah I have VF3 board and I want VF2 and VF1 for sure too!

[@DenkyManner]

Are the fog effects on the subway stage correctin both versions? They look glitched to be so different

[@RGF]

The dreamcast footage was taken from a real Dreamcast over the OSSC, the model 3 was emulated. So should be accurate, thx for watching 👍

[@chocolatejuggernaut6943]

You have one of the BEST channels showing off the Model 2 and 3 will you being doing other emulators from Sega like the Hikaru, and Teknoparrot I know TP is with Lindenbergh and other boards.Keep up the great work man

[@RGF]

Thank for your kind words.... I will do for sure follow up videos on Sega model series emulation... If a new better emulator or a new version pops up.... The retro battles will continue, now with the model 2....😁 And I will do other arcade boards... For sure, Sega and others....

[@RetroRaider]

I never had the Sega Dreamcast but I did played it on the Arcades so ,)

[@RGF]

Yeah... It's a great arcade game... In 1996 this graphics were amazing.... 👍😁

[@RetroRaider]

@@RGF Indeed ,)

[@Vectorman2X]

sony and late 90s magazines had a good relationship courtesy of future publishing , magazines like edge , butchered sega and dreamcast from the start

[@RGF]

True....

[@PixelShade]

It's a shame texture resolution was lower on the DC. especially since the hardware had such good texture compression techniques (something I believe wasn't used in Virtua Fighter 3tb, I can't find any compression artifacts). The stencil shadows are a bit weird as well on DC. and the blue lighting is missing on the beach stage, but other than that. The models seem to be on par with the arcade, and in general it's a very decent port. On a CRT I'm guess I would be hard pressed to spot a difference. It's much better than the terrible Sega Rally 2 port (which is basically a port of a Windows port of the arcade)

[@RGF]

True.... By the way I also have two videos on Sega Rally 2.... The DC was a very powerfull machine... 👍👍 Thx 4 watching 👍

[@MH-yp6wg]

The Dreamcast-version ran at a higher resolution, tho (640x480 compared to 496x384... that is about 60% more pixels). Not a 100% perfect port, but I think it was quite satisfying with only minor differences.

[@MH-yp6wg]

BTW, even considering texture compression, Model 3 had VASTLY more memory for textures (and everything else) available than the dreamcast, so it is not a shame at all that textures on DC were not as sharp.

[@aj_gen_ace]

The music sounds different on both versions. Is the Dreamcast version using an arranged soundtrack?

[@RGF]

No....not arranged....but maybe higher quality.... Thx 4 watching

[@AshtarSheran1]

Model 3 easy wins,was a monstrous board.

[@RGF]

Its was indeed... Thx 4 watching 👍

[@DenkyManner]

Easy? They are near identical.

[@AshtarSheran1]

@@DenkyManner lol Go to a good ophthalmologist.

[@MH-yp6wg]

They are very different pieces of hardware... perhaps you are thinking of Naomi.@@DenkyManner

[@STAXONDECK1]

This game still plays better than any modern fighter

[@RGF]

It's a true classic.... :-)

[@DeckardGames]

Love me some Dreamcast. Awesome

[@RGF]

Yeah man... 👍 Thx 4 watching..

[@kenshiro6410]

Model3 is king. Still love dc version.

[@RGF]

It is indeed.....raw power..... Thx 4 watching 👍

[@christrainer8168]

Thank you! I am trying to get my Model 3 Board Up on a Blast City to run side by side with a New Net City with a Dreamcast capable of playing Virtua Fighter 3!

[@RGF]

That would be awesome 😀 send me some vídeos....i will be happy to share it here 😀👍👍

[@Flynn-games]

There are differences from some "bodys" Shun in the first costume has less polygon in the pelvis part of the legs,pieces are missing, pelvis is small , you can see the differences in "pause" screen.1:29 / 8:08 it looks like a modeling flaw, sound "gltich".Wolf has a similarity defect but only in first costume, they don't seem like limitations of the machine, but some strange modeling flaws. other differences are the animations of the clothes, dreamcast conversion has limited animations.Jacky's jacket and Aoi's clothes are classic examples.

[@RGF]

It was a very rushed port.....you have a very good eye :-) Thx 4 watching 😀

[@Flynn-games]

@@RGF it is very close to the original, but at the time it was heavily penalized by the magazines not considering how much a model 3 board.DC conversion was a small miracle, but many years ago we were very stupid about this technical theories.

[@MarisaAlmeida]

Bom vídeo amigo, abraço! ✌🏻

[@RGF]

Obrigado Marisa.... 👍👍

[@bakaneiro]

What about a comparison with the Saturn version??

[@RGF]

The unreleased Saturn version? 😁

[@bakaneiro]

@@RGF yes! That version exists. It's about time for Mr Yu Suzuki to release it!

[@bakaneiro]

Yu Suzuki announced a Sega Saturn port at a late 1996 press conference (the same conference at which Fighters Megamix was unveiled), elaborating that AM2 research had been studying Virtua Fighter 3 for the past few months and had at last determined that it was possible to create a Saturn port comparable to the arcade version.[16][17] To facilitate the conversion, AM2's Research and Development labs spent some months working on a 3D accelerator cartridge for the Saturn, but the cartridge was canceled for undisclosed reasons. Sega officials nonetheless stated that Virtua Fighter 3 would be ported to the Saturn with or without the upgrade cartridge.[18] According to insiders, this cartridge was being designed by Lockheed Martin Corporation and based on the same Real3D chipset used in their upcoming 3D accelerator card for PCs.[19] Staff from Core Design claimed to have seen the completed 3D accelerator cartridge in action during an early 1997 visit to Sega of Japan, running a demo of the Saturn version of Virtua Fighter 3 with two playable characters

[@RECHOOSENONE]

Different is not huge as betwin vf 4 port on naomi 2 and ps2

[@Leo-xh8pp]

Parabéns excelente trabalho!😄

[@RGF]

Obrigado Leandro....😀👍

[@RetroStu82]

They very similar but on my opinion the arcade port os brighter ✌️

[@RGF]

Well the textures are crisper on the arcade.... Also the dreamcast uses fog, to hide distances.... But cool port... A bit rushed..

[@RetroStu82]

yeah i noticed that fog ..... Well put

[@GauchoRetroGamer]

Mandou bem na Comparação RetroGameForce! Bah pior que o Jogo foi tão bem Portado que é Dificil de Compara-lo! Pois parece que a Versão do Arcade foi Portado da Mesma Forma para o DreamCast! A Unica coisa que eu percebi é que a Versão dos Arcade é mais Rapida que a do Dreamcast Ou será que eu estou Enganado? Parabens pela Comparação RetroGameForce!,Ficou bem maneira! Otimo Video Abs Tmj Vlw Vlw

[@RGF]

A versão arcade tem melhores texturas... E não tem o nevoeiro que esconde a distância dos cenários.... Obrigado por passares por aqui Alan... 👍

[@thesch2867]

You're using a very outdated version of supermodel the lighting in Jeffry's stage isn't glitched and the music plays faster in the newest versions.

[@RGF]

I am using the old 3D engine.... Because on the new I was losing frames.... 😢

[@thesch2867]

RetroGameForce that's a shame

[@RGF]

But if I am not capturing it works well.... I need to figure it out...

[@c2ironfist]

Man I thought it was running on real Model 3 hardware. Looked sharp just like how I remembered it in arcades. When the Dreamcast came out and I saw it on a kiosk at EB games I couldn't put my finger on why it looked a off. Realized it was a softer image... EB Staff asked how I felt about the game and I told him it didn't look as good as the arcade version lol He was like maybe its just the monitor.... I was like nope Though my DC still gets a lot of love. VF3 is still one of my most favorite games still DC port still very good

[@RGF]

The emulation is pretty accurate this days.... And I agree it's still a great game, the DC port...

[@SuperKillerdreams]

And actually on Jeffery’s beach stage on the sega dreamcast it looks like they add more effects here and there then the arcade like on the sand in the background on the DC almost looks like rocks maybe lol,

[@RGF]

Nice catch....😀 Thx 4 watching

[@Matt08719801]

if there was a true widescreen fix for the model 3 version it would be the best looking virtua fighter of any version including 4 and 5 , the issues still remain when streached to widescreen at high resolutions the black bars screw up and warp the game, its odd theres a fix that works great on the Am2 system yet several Am3 games still warp when running in 4k, btw i found the UI that fixes this problem so now i can play vitua fighter 4k widescreen it looks very nice

[@RGF]

That's true....but i still enjoy this one in 4:3....quite alot...

[@Matt08719801]

neuzz has a model 3 ui out now i use this along with supermodel assistant i can play all model 3 in 4k widescreen the games upscale nicely

[@UpYourArsenalTV]

não parece estar um port nada mau, fiel qb até, mas o arcade ainda se destaca, as texturas são bem mais nitidas no geral, e até uns efeitos de pos processamento extra na model 3. anyway, este virtua fighter sempre foi considerado uma ovelha negra, mas ainda assim gosto dele. ainda esta semana estive a jogar o da DC. abraço Pedro!

[@RGF]

Epa foi um port feito por uma empresa externa em tempo recorde.... Pq a AM2 estava ocupada com o vf3 para a Saturn..... Ainda assim não está mal.... 😁👍

[@wellofcire]

seeing this, considering saturn vf2, was SUCH a turning-point feeling from mediocre washed out home ports

[@RGF]

Rushed port... That's for sure... It's more then compared with the first Virtua Fighter on the Saturn... 👍

[@wellofcire]

@@RGF well i mean even though this dreamcast version was rushed....it still demolishes virtua one or 2 on saturn....those were ridiculous basically

[@crencottrell7849]

My favorite game on the Dreamcast system 😎

[@RGF]

And one of the first to be released 😀 Thx 4 watching 👍

[@crencottrell7849]

@@RGF thank you for posting a throwback favorite

[@RGF]

Its what i do 😉👍

[@NicoleConcha]

Virtua Fighter é uma saga muito boa de fighting, pena ter acabado por "morrer" com o tempo e não ter titulos novos desde 2010! Excelente comparação!

[@RGF]

É um Fighter mais realista... 😁 Penso q a Sega está a preparar algumas surpresas.... Um novo Virtua Fighter pode bem ser uma delas.... 👍

[@NicoleConcha]

@@RGF Ia ser ótimo!! :)

[@TheMrCHELL]

Apoiem o remake do VF5 que acabou de sair hoje pro PS4 (grátis na PSPLUS tb) pra mostrar pra Sega que os jogadores ainda querem VF.

[@raineri8609]

Tecnically impressive superior arcade

[@RGF]

Thx 4 watching 😀 👍👍

[@stevenoconnor5693]

Very comparable

[@RGF]

Thx 4 watching 👍😁😊

[@pccnog3018]

Começo do fim dos arcades . Quando os consoles se igualaram em gráficos e som … Ps2 só fechou o caixão ⚰️.

[@RGF]

E que saudades tenho dos salões de arcade 🥲

[@wellofcire]

weird how shun di's stage is the most depleted in this iteration too.....leave poor shun alone for f.'s sake

[@RGF]

😁😁

[@IcarusFlysoClosetotheSun]

en las dos versiones estan mal diseñados, pense que solo era asi en la Dreamcast XD

[@RGF]

Gracias por mirar.....😀

[@Crystallums]

It's a real shame... since with this game some of the Dreamcast's inabilities begin to show. However, I think they could have done a better job overall, whether with the textures, the stages or just the chubby look of the fighters.

[@RGF]

It was a bit rushed this conversion, plus it was outsourced....

[@Crystallums]

@@RGF It makes me a little sad because I used to play it on Arcade, but when I played it on Dreamcast at a friends house and saw that it was missing things... it's not that it's bad, but you can feel the difference.

[@byeonghaJang]

The fate of Dreamcast was actually decided by the worst transplant of VF3.. really shit DC ver VF3

[@RGF]

Hi, i dont believe that this port the reason for the failure of the DC... The sega rally port had more issues than this one...in my opinion...of course.... Thx 4 watching 👍

[@migueruta]

I've never seen Virtua Fighter 3 anywhere! (if i did i do not remember at all 😅 ) But since we're comparing Arcade version Vs Dreamcast version, i was expecting some improvement overall compared to Virtua Fighter 2 - which i've seen in the Arcades and i had for Sega Saturn. And i'm extremely disappointed at VF3. Why? -No significant graphics improvement! (remember we're at Sony's PS2 level) -Cocky music, and annoying sound effects still inherited from VF1... (no creativity in there, plain Copy-Paste) -Crappy physics! (even Tekken 2's surreal physics look more real than the ones in VF3) -Still too many common moves under the same circumstances between characters: on the ground, on the air, standing up, no matter if it's kick or punch, although they supposedly represent different martial arts. (this is VF3, they had 3 chances to add even more realism as well improve it) -From what i can see of your Gameplay, Special moves look like it's still hard to perform so, it means the inputs to control the characters abilities are still the same since VF1. -Simple minded backgrounds hardly animated. -Still using the same Virtua Racing quality kind of looking Font, like this is still a 16bit game. Overall, this is a lazy-arse game! Conceived from Copy-Pasting most of the things from the previous games, with simple improvements but no innovation whatsoever. Besides the fact that the Dreamcast had no retrocompatibility with Saturn, is no surprise when we wonder why SEGA lost the gaming war for Sony: greedyness, anti-pragmatic strategies, child-minded marketing philosophy, no serious long term goal except to leech the hard-earned money from long term SEGA fans. I never was a big fan of VF but what Virtua Fighter 4 showed me was, that lots of things that should had been already implemented in VF3 arrived too late in VF4 when SEGA had already lost the hardware department. Miguito Retro-San! I bid you a good week and a safe quarantine! Cheers e até qualquer dia... ^_^)

[@RGF]

Wow that's what I call a comment.... 😊 Thanks for sharing... Even if I have some different points of view... I understand completely why you have that conclusions and with some good points right there.... 👍

[@WWammyy]

I can see you dislike Virtua Fighter but it was and still is a great game not sure about copy and paste either. The game had multi level stages with some stages having walls compared to Virtua Fighter 2 every stage was square Everyone had new moves with an improved physics engine over the previous game, the dodge button changed gameplay significantly. Not to mention the graphics compared to Virtua Fighter 3 1 Million polygons per second compared to Virtua Fighter 2 300,000 polygons 2 New playable characters At the time of release Virtua Fighter 3 was a huge improvement over Virtua Fighter 2 We were not at PS2 Level the Model 3 Arcade was released in 1996 where the PS2 was released in 2000 The improvement was obvious at the time of release nothing could match the graphical fidelity and the gameplay was praised a lot too. I agree with you on one thing only to be honest and that is the music was not great

[@Sgamerfueguino]

Arcade always win!!

[@RGF]

The good old times....😀

[@Sgamerfueguino]

Arcade always win!!

[@RGF]

😀👍