Vision & Light 24: Talking Landscape Photography with Thomas Heaton - Part One

[@Alister_Benn]

I've been forced to take a few days off this week, so we've brought the Vision & Light episode forward. Great to sit down with Tom Heaton and have a really long chat. If you like these videos and this channel, PLEASE give the video a thumbs up, it helps us grow immensely. Thanks.

[@juliewillson3378]

Not sure why anyone would just stop watching a photographer because they shoot on film. A camera is a tool; it doesn’t matter if it is film or digital. Film slows you down and allows us to see the thought process. I love Tom’s work. I follow several UK photographers.

[@Alister_Benn]

hear hear.... Thanks for your great comment

[@lightonthelandscape]

Amen to that!

[@johna5624]

Totally agree. I don't shoot film but enjoy Nick Carver's and Steve O'Nions' vlogs which are predominantly film orientated.

[@andyprime56]

Probably made by a ‘tool’ with a camera......

[@geoffstairmand3747]

Really looking forward to this one

[@Alister_Benn]

Great, we enjoyed it.

[@galensinkey]

At 15:27 Tom mentioned a photographer's book he liked, but didn't quite catch the name or details. Could you provide a link to that person? Thanks

[@Alister_Benn]

Bruce Percy, he’s a good friend of mine: www.brucepercy.co.uk/new-products/halendi-hardback-standard I know it says sold out, but email him as I believe he has a few spare

[@galensinkey]

@@Alister_Benn Thank you so much!

[@Alister_Benn]

Very welcome

[@kieranpicken3696]

If Tom doesn't shoot film I won't watch him. Also if he enjoys himself on screen I will kick a puppy. He also must present the next two videos standing on his head. DO AS I SAY FOR I AM A VIEWER.

[@GaryScott-pdx]

I would watch Thomas if he shot all of his photos on a pinhole camera. The draw of his channel is his presentation not the media used.

[@kronkite1530]

How annoying and how very sad that the carping of a handful of narrow minded and utterly self centred bigots actually made Thomas consider not using or posting videos involving film. If they aren’t interested in the process or craft of photography whether film, digital, post processing, darkroom etc. why are they watching in the first place? They might as well just load up and gawp moronically at wallpaper.

[@Alister_Benn]

Absolutely!! Ah well, some people will never be happy

[@ianfaris2810]

Mr.Heaton. Re: Shooting film vs digital and making a KZbin video based on film based images. I feel your pain. Why should it make the slightest bit of difference which you use? The creative process of capturing an image IS the same. Why not try this suggestion on for size? Shoot some film images; put up a video of the story behind these images and not reveal whether they were shot on film or digitally. (Do not even show the camera you are using on the video). And I'll bet you dollars-to-donuts, 95% of your viewers will not be able to tell the difference. That's because there is no real difference. Your detractors will kick and scream. But that is OK. They will have identified themselves and you can dump them. Go with your heart and keep up the great work, regardless of your chosen format.

[@QuietLightPhoto]

Enjoyed that! thanks for keeping it real, Tom, Alister.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks mate, hopefully you and I can chat again soon. I'm starting to feel a bit better, so we can maybe plan something.

[@jhonnybakkenphotography]

First, wish You all the best recovery, get well and get out again soon. Secondly, thanks for a very nice video, and also a big thanks to Thomas for opening up about how it feels being a popular KZbin (er). I love both of Your channels, have learn a lot from both of You since I started photographing in February this year. Not sure if You agree about the rule stuff in photographing, rule of third and so on, but as long as photographing is enjoyable, I can't see if it's matter at all. I have picked up my old Canon AV-1 and sniffing in to film again, a big thanks to Thomas for that. I love seeing him struggle , just as I do with the exposure and shutter peed. He has my support in shooting film and sharing it in his videos. It shows the basic of photographing, skills we all need to understand this wonderful art. And also a big thanks to You Allister for opening up my eyes for "non rule" photographing, not sure if my images has got better, but I now love going out and look for composition, finding images more outside the box. Still struggle with acceptance from the "old school" type of guys, but that doesn't bothers me at all, any more. I have become the master of my own thoughts, I shoot whatever I find pleasing, not what other tells me to shoot. I'm gonna enjoy these three episodes very much. Wish You both all the best, both with health and with photographing.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks for the awesome feedback, that's really kind. Yes, it should simply be enjoyable, something that is now lost in a competitive world.

[@arthurmorgan5937]

Get better quickly! I suggest a good Scotch, but only a small bottle at a time.

[@Alister_Benn]

LOL medicinal only :-)

[@nostaticatall]

Good conversation, as always. Heaton is the first photographer I started following on You Tube when his channel was quite new and I was just beginning to get back into photography after a long time away from it. I followed him for all the reasons you mentioned (relatable, genuine, etc.) in addition of course to the fact that I really enjoy his work, and then found the other F4 guys and yourself. Personally. I prefer seeing how photographers like yourself, Tom and Adam shoot their local areas to the epic location videos, and I find them more helpful for my own development. Great work as always and I'm looking forward to the next video.

[@Alister_Benn]

Brilliant. Thanks for that.

[@sonholee5769]

I do think some of Tom's best YT vids are those where he explores his own neighboring woods. Discovering and rediscovering beauty. Great talk...

[@Alister_Benn]

Couldn't agree more

[@dianevose9655]

Great episode with Tom, like the idea of showing the videos over a few sessions, I will look forward to the next one 🤩 Hope you are starting to feel slightly better with your ear infection. I find lots of sleep helps massively, its the body's healer. Time to relax, listen and play lots of great music and plan your next book 🌿🌳

[@Alister_Benn]

Thank you so much Diane, yes, the time off has been nice, anxious as always, but worth it.

[@PMCN53]

Re FILM: TH has inspired me to break out the old PENTAX ASAHI K1000 and dust it of, buy some film and get some shots LOL

[@Alister_Benn]

Yeah, I was out with my Hasselblad yesterday morning in the local woods as well. 5 frames in 2 hours :-)

[@kronkite1530]

@@Alister_Benn Careful, if you let that slip some of ‘them’ might stop following you!

[@Alister_Benn]

@@kronkite1530 LOL, well, it doesn't take much :-)

[@timwootton4649]

Why on earth would anybody be pissed off about Thomas shooting film? Same subject, same craftsman, just slightly different medium! Cockwombles! Here in Australia’s Whitsunday Islands, we have an iconic location called Hill Inlet/ Whitehaven Beach. Everybody shoots pretty much the same angles, subject matter,etc! 🤷‍♂️🤔 I try and shoot the lesser known places of the region which are still beautiful, you just need to work a little bit harder to get the best images. Much more satisfying! Great interview!

[@jimgraves4197]

Film and Digital photography can happily co-exist in the 21st century and I enjoy both methods when I am out and about with my DSLR and 35mm SLR. I love the fact that every form of photography, from the origin of our chosen art to todays super high resolution digital mirrorless camera's, is still available to indulge and immerse yourself into. I have been enjoying watching Thomas' film photography with all the highs and lows that it brings. I can relate to it and appreciate the effort put in to it. Film Photography is enjoying a renaissance as a new generation of photographers, who perhaps weren't born when Film was at it's dizzying heights towards the end of the 90's and into the new millennium, allow their curiosity to lead them on a very interesting journey with a steep learning curve. Long may it continue. Anyone wishing to give film a try can get into it quite cheaply, there are camera's on the used market that can do most of the things a DSLR can. It's just the "memory card" that is different! The advantage of film is the antici..........

[@andrewmckinney3053]

Great chat ... insightful and satisfying! I've been drawn to intimate landscape photography since recently discovering Sarah Marino, et al; yourself included. Lots of such to be explored here in Tasmania. Keeping vulnerable places secret a pertinent point for here, also. Looking forward to the next ones. Thanks, Alister.

[@Bb4r]

Nice video. Thomas Heaton, I believe, will present on his KZbin channel, content that he determines will make and keep his channel successful. I only hope, that in his determination, he will continue to showcase content about film photography. I started photography in 1976, and needless to say, learned the craft with film. I would hope that people not interested in film photography would only forego Tom's videos featuring that format. I think Thomas Heaton's videos, are instructive, regardless of format. It would be a shame in my opinion to abandon his channel because of a dislike of film.

[@keithpinn152]

Hi Alister: I am sorry that you have been sick and I truly hope that you are well on the path to full recovery quickly. I must say, that I really like that you will be taking a different approach with the Vision & Light celebrities. I did find that viewing the videos under your previous format was a large single commitment of time. I am confident that this format will actually be well received from the viewing audience and you will actually pick up more viewers. Now back to the topic on hand. I have been watching Thomas for a number of years so I really enjoyed discussions during this video. Keep Covid-19 safe . . . and keep creating. Cheers, Keith Pinn

[@HIWalkerPhoto]

I love Thomas's approach to photography and will watch his on location videos no matter what media he chooses to use. It's not the method but the Why behind each image. Looking forward to the next part and above all else, take care of yourself. I look forward to your conversations.

[@bryan67thomas]

Great conversation I've been a fan of Thomas for about a year and found you through one of his videos. I really enjoy both of your and Thomas's videos and that you share your thoughts of behind the shots. I have only 1 complaint, often times I'll watch your videos on my TV in the evening and both you and Thomas have such relaxing voices and at times you just lull me to sleep. LOL it's not really a complaint your content is much better than pretty much anything else on the TV and I'll simply re-watch the video the next day. Keep up the great work, both of you.

[@sgingold]

Sorry to hear about the inner ear problem, Alister. I get those occasionally and a day's rest usually does the trick but yours seems to be a little more serious. I've been advised to hang my head off the edge of the bed and give it a good twist to shake the crystals back into alignment. Seems risky. :-) Good on Tom, and you, for maintaining the choice of film when desired. It's easy for people to criticize others to make themselves feel important. If that person stops following Tom I am sure the thousands of other followers will take up the slack. A good photograph is a good photograph...film vs digital or Nikon vs Canon is less important than the work that made the image. Looking forward to the following episodes.

[@thomaspopple2291]

You shooting with film on occasion is what reenergized me to watch your channel Thomas Heaton.

[@Alister_Benn]

nice, he'll be happy to hear that

[@SilverDragonCloud64]

SWhat a gem you are, creating content for us to watch even when you aren't well. Take good care of your self Alister, your health is more important than the you tube channel. There is so much to be found when we look closer to us and when we focus on smaller portions of our beautiful world. And more chances as Thomas have found out for himself to create images that are original and our own, instead of copies of scenes that have been photographed so many others times. We are so influenced by all the imagery that we see every where that I wonder f is still possible to truly create images that are simply authentic to ourselves!? All is stored in our mind, how can we avoid letting it effect what we create? If anyone knows how please share...🙏🏼 thank you guys for the chat! That Patagonian tree is stunning! I found that is much better not to let anyone else know of a gorgeous spot in nature, because I would rather protect it from too many insensitive humans who don't respect the natural environment, its beauty and perfection but only see it as another personal achievement, or for commercial purposes. I wish we were a more sensitive specie, I wish we were more like the blue people on the planet of Avatar. 😊🐬

[@johnbentley1056]

Get well soon Alister. Great video as usual. I was surprised by the comment regarding not watching Thomas because he shoot film. Having started my photography shooting film I find there is an element to it that is not part of shooting digital. it is not just the tactile aspect of film it is also the workflow. In digital shooting many shoot hundreds of images of the same thing hoping they get one or two shoots they can fix in post processing. It seems the considered approach to shooting an image and getting it right in camera is almost a lost art. It is almost akin to the old crafts that have died away because technological change makes it easier and cheaper to produce. But not always as good.

[@Alister_Benn]

Based on some of the comments on here I have had to delete, people get wound up easy!! Thank you for your very supportive one.

[@johnbentley1056]

@@Alister_Benn my apologies if my comments were the cause of some of this heat.

[@Alister_Benn]

@@johnbentley1056 Absolutely not, your comment was supportive and in no way taken the wrong way. Thanks so much as always.

[@loretagema9085]

What a strange thing to say about Thomas photographing film! (10:53) It's such a delight to watch a person doing sth he is so passionate about! Fortunately Thomas has enough sense not to please the crowds :)

[@broken12367]

For all that I love Thomas photographing the grand vistas I do like the local stuff too. Most of us can’t afford or have the time to travel the world. It shows is that we can’t get great images locally.

[@filipepc1992]

Could someone please list the names of the photographers mentioned in the video? Just so I can get to know them better as well. :)

[@JohnT23174]

Brilliant video. Tom is one of my favourite photographers and opening up the mind and thought process of Tom is very inspiring.

[@mathiaslibor287]

Great chat and true words of you guys. Looking forward to Wednesday. Cheers and get well soon.

[@katepaterson4052]

Wonderful stuff...! Very much looking forward to part 2.

[@shortiepersist]

Hoping you feel better. Rest and take care of yourself...that is most important.

[@adamcoughtrey5851]

True gents and bloody good photographers. Waiting for the next episode

[@tomdriftwood3674]

You get a thumb up before the conversation gets going, because I know it gonna be good.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks, happy to hear that

[@andyprime56]

A balanced insight to vlogersville, thx both.

[@susanfirth2279]

First, Alister, I hope you are feeling better. Inner ear infections are not fun. Take care and rest up. Second, Thomas, I wouldn't stop doing what you do in whatever format you use. It's still photography and you are so damned good at it. Looking forward to Part 2 and 3. Stay safe.

[@Alister_Benn]

Lovely comment and we thank you for it.

[@PMCN53]

Hi Alister, this is a great conversation you are having with Thomas. I've been a big "FAN" of TH for nearly as long as he has had his channel for the very reasons you sited. The discussion of saturation of images of the same thing is a very interesting one today. I live in Australia and the amount of images of ULURU is staggering, the ones I have taken and love the most is a shot close up of a few gum trees in close to the ROCK. The viewer knows it is ULURU but it is close up and personal perspective. You would have also probably seen a multitude of images of the tree in the lake at WANAKA New Zealand. That tree has become an obsession for so many tourists and it has been damaged by foolish unthinking instagramers! One person actually vandalised the tree by cutting off one of the branches. Also in NZ, the Church of the Good Shepard - Lake Tekapo.... they have had to place a fence around the church (still functions as a church) to prevent "Tourists" predominantly from Asia, from damaging the building and chipping pieces of stone off as souvenirs and walking into the church to take photos while a church service is on!. I don't know the answer but respect for the place should be paramount, but in the world's social media herd mentality that phrase is very foreign. Sad but by doing what you and TH do by not disclosing locations will help. Nick Page is another landscape photographer who will NOT disclose his image locations (Well done). Great discussion in part #1, looking forward to #2 & #3. Cheers from Australia!

[@Alister_Benn]

I hear you!! I am pleased to hear your shots seem to be in keeping with the cultural significance of that place... Congratulations.

[@Hirsutechin]

You should have corrected Tom about coming to Scotland just now - legal and moral considerations aside, it's not safe because this is peak haggis rutting season. Hope your ear clears up quickly, infections there are a pest! Looking forward to parts 2 and 3, I've enjoyed Tom's channel for years now and his no-nonsense approach. It's the images that count, always was.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks man, yeah, we're up to our kilt tips with the wee devils just now!! Hard to be Zen in Haggis season! :-)

[@itakephotos1141]

I like the local videos, many of us can only shoot local even pre-pandemic. We have the same struggle where it is just another yellow tree, how do we shoot it differently. Often from the viewer side of things so many youtube photographers overlap. When one shoots Iceland, there's probably a dozen others shooting. Although that overlap is interesting because each photographer sees and photographs the same subject differently.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks for the comment - I think often we put too much emphasis on the final image and have too high expectations for it. Not every shot we take is going to be life-changing, or popular. The thing I take into the field with me is the belief that the time I am engaging with that tree is valuable. The tree is valuable for our ecosystem and the awareness of that fact makes my life better. The image is a memory of that relationship.

[@hugovangool]

Nice interview, looking forward for the second part.

[@Alister_Benn]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@chrisalmerini3284]

Cannot wait to see the rest... very much appreciated the discussion on Covid travel and morality of choosing to go traveling. I feel much the same about locations- way to many photographers wanting to go to the same spot and duplicate the image so they ask for details of equipment and location. As you say “ make it about the experience” and I would add now “ preserve nature”

[@Alister_Benn]

Again Chris, we are so much on the same page - I haven't forgotten the mentorship email, but trying to rest before taking on more work! :-)

[@rogerapplegatephotography5500]

Thomas - great images. Perhaps the experience of shooting the same type of subjects and scenes over and over will manifest in new perspectives and creativity and perfection. Kudos for trying film and pushing for newness. I don't believe you are in danger of become non-relevant.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks Roger....

[@bradzaruba9686]

I join others in hoping you heal quickly. Tom’s humor and self-deprecating approach only magnifies his photography skills. Recently, I borrowed a film camera and banged off a roll of 36 images. Although, the results were less than stellar I enjoyed the challenge (perhaps implied by Tom) of getting out of your comfort zone. Secondly, splitting these into parts is a grand idea. I really enjoyed Part one.

[@Alister_Benn]

Excellent, very happy to hear that..

[@thomaspopple2291]

I really enjoy your channel. I don't think I am the only one who thinks photography youtube videos could be longer. So nice to grab a coffee and sit back and enjoy your, and others', photography and photography talk.

[@Alister_Benn]

I know, as I answered earlier, it's the balance between what's good for business and doing what we want. The shorter format helps us grow better than very long videos. It's a very tough grind making people like your stuff!!

[@markbargen510]

I'm this very minute watching on the big screen, listening to Thomas speaking of his concerns re audience "film-vlog-fatigue" and decision to vlog again shooting on film, and want to weigh in with this: I don't shoot film, yet I find Thomas' videos shooting on film to be very very helpful. The thought processes, and moment-to-moment engagement, and the authenticity Thomas shares, are all inspiring. Thanks, and please continue.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks Mark - people moaning and trolling is sadly all they have to do in their lives.

[@user-rq7gy1xf3m]

Enjoying this, get better soon from NZ

[@jacktaylor6190]

Alister, great video and look forward to the next installment! Personally the way you and Tom shoot and the videos you both produce is why you have the fan base you have. Hope you feel better soon!

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks Jack - appreciate your comment and your good wishes. I am making progress.

[@amyverhague1491]

Alister, hope you feel better soon! Thomas, please keep shooting what interests you! Always look forward to both your videos.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks Amy, much appreciated.

[@si0054]

Hi Alistair, how can the members videos be accessed? Don’t seem to be able to see how I’d sign up. Thanks

[@Alister_Benn]

The JOIN button only shows on a web browser, not on the app on mobile or tablet. It’s a weird twist!!

[@davelindey8023]

Wonderfull interview. Looking forward to episodes 2 and 3. Impactful images in the slideshow.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks Dave, much appreciated.

[@Belchdragon]

The one hour talks were brilliant. This 15-20 minute "fast food" is not really for depth. And this channel is about depth.

[@Alister_Benn]

I appreciate your feedback, but this is our business and KZbin punishes our business by having long videos. The whole conversation is available as a podcast in the usual places.

[@Belchdragon]

@@Alister_Benn it is unfortunate that KZbin decides the business strategy. Good that you have your own outlets besides KZbin.

[@lisarobertson7011]

that was wonderful, looking forward to part 2 and 3. hope you are on the road to recovery! take care

[@Alister_Benn]

Thank you! really appreciate your comment

[@brunolaisne6369]

Hello Allister & Tom , I’m sending you both the same message, I just watched the «Vision & light» you concerning I have greatly enjoyed I am totally in tune with your photographic approach today You are the two only photographers whose videos I watch you have talent and you are honest with yourself your video brings me a lot of joy I love when I talk to you about your moods that I often share. I sometimes watch some English photographers see Danish (I would not mention their name) they annoy me enormously with all their tricks and tricks that are found everywhere, In addition, they sometimes hurt our beautiful passion by describing the places where they take their pictures, or even more serious by selling the maps of the spots to be photographed (Lofoten Iceland...). I invite you to continue your videos, every Wednesday and Sunday I never miss your interventions, it is good for morale. Excuse my English I am French from Provence.

[@PMCN53]

Alister, hoping your ear infection heals quickly with the right medication & rest!

[@Alister_Benn]

Seems to be some improvement, but I am just resting as much as I can

[@thebope32]

We all love you, Thomas!!

[@dilus13]

As a beginner I enjoy watching yours and Tom’s videos, along with others, when I do finally get going on my new “hobby” I will be taking on board all I have learnt from you all, so thank you for all the great content you put out freely. As a hobbyist I am under no pressure to create commercially viable work and as such intend to take shots of things that please myself, if others like it all well and good. I’m sure along the way your work will have some influence and rightly so, most of it is stunning. Nice chat between the two of you and look forward to the upcoming ones, get well soon Alister and keep up the great work both. Loving the “film” videos by the way Tom, and like a few have said “why would it turn anyone off watching” ? Great to see film photography still being done despite the odd disaster as in one of your previous videos and better still for you to show us the good, the bad and the ugly. Learning lots and itching to get going when I can find time 👍

[@gregthomasphotography]

Time for some more Macro Tom

[@jimruppel476]

The length of the episodes was never a problem for me because of the great content. Hope you feel well soon. Also I was wondering about Zen Haggis, my wife and I watched them together and really enjoyed it. Will there be more episodes of that? Thanks for all your work.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks Jim for the lovely comment. The Zen Haggis was a bold idea that just created way too much work! I will continue to introduce some of those concepts into the Expressive Photography Channel, but will most likely probably write a book The Zen Haggis.

[@jimruppel476]

@@Alister_Benn Thanks for the answer. Will continue to watch Expressive Photography.

[@Alister_Benn]

@@jimruppel476 Thank you, I really appreciate that

[@garyalawrence]

Really enjoyed part a of your chat with Tom, Alistair. Couple of comments. I like the idea of the green screened image but not the execution- whenever you move I find myself watching the black shadow on the screen waiting for it to engulf you! Maybe you have to give up black ? What about actually sometimes cutting to voiceovers from yourself and your guest using not only images on screen but potentially b roll/ drone footage from some shoots which illuminate things that you are discussing. Looking forward to part b & c. Get well soon.

[@Alister_Benn]

I know!! It was really bad, but my office is not as photogenic as Tom's as I need a sound isolated space for music production. I need to rethink.

[@garyalawrence]

@@Alister_Benn I think the green screen is a great idea and much cheaper than a new office setup! I suspect you don’t know how to light it though? Just check KZbin “how to use green screen? I suspect you might be too close to the screen?

[@Alister_Benn]

@@garyalawrence The issue is I don't have a green screen :-) This is just zoom doing its best to rationalise!

[@garyalawrence]

@@Alister_Benn sorry to jump to Green conclusions! Zoom explains it all.

[@blivieriphoto]

God bless ya Alister. I know the feeling of the dreaded ear infection. Never having bore a child, I'd say thats about the worst pain I've ever endured. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. I love Tom and his channel, matter of fact he and Adam were my first vlogging channels I ever subscribed to. Never miss one. I find it awful people would stop watching him because of a film camera. Those kind of fans one doesn't need. I would watch him if he camped out in his back yard for a month. Lol Anyone can Google epic photography locations. What people like Tom, yourself, and Even Adam do is open your eyes to WHAT ELSE is out there. How to make beautiful photographs that are truely your own. Thanks for the great interview. Looking forward to the rest.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thank you, you sweet lovely lady. You’re a joy

[@blivieriphoto]

@@Alister_Benn awww, that must be the meds talking. Haahaa. Always a pleasure. 😊

[@Alister_Benn]

@@blivieriphoto Not at all!! Is Chardonnay a med?

[@blivieriphoto]

@@Alister_Benn haahaa, absolutely 🍾🥂

[@ijustfelldown]

Really love how honest and transparent Thomas is about his intentions and his experiences as a photography KZbinr.

[@FoodLifeStyleAndTravel]

This would have happened long ago, now this series gets a whole new level. 🙏

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks so much

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks so much

[@christopherrowbottom7489]

missing the zen haggis, also i want to purchase your ebooks. how can I get these on my kindle ?, I'm more of a traditional book guy but want to read your work .thanks for being awesome and full of inspiration

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks, The Zen Haggis was just too much work on top of all our other work. I will incorporate some of that on this channel in the future. The books could be loaded onto Kindle as PDF's when downloaded, but they look better on a computer or a tablet.

[@christopherrowbottom7489]

@@Alister_Benn thanks Alister and thank you for offering a deal to your members :)

[@christopherrowbottom7489]

Are you going to get Greg at kozu to print your books at some point ?

[@Alister_Benn]

I’m in discussion with various printers right now. Italy and right here in Scotland are my current choices.

[@christopherrowbottom7489]

that's great to hear , a book for me is so much more engaging and there is something intimate and special about books that digital just can't replicate.

[@miltonpics]

Get well soon Alister.

[@Alister_Benn]

Thanks so much