VISIONS OF GLORY: THE CHAD DAYBELL / TIM BALLARD CONNECTION

[@SuzySylvania]

Lauren, I’m so glad you have taken on this topic! I read Visions of Glory at the request of my dying sister-in-law in 2014. She had taken notes in the borders of each page. She felt so strongly about this book that she chose to give her special copy to me. She told me that she knew a seminary teacher, who knew an institute teacher, who knew an apostle “AND HE SAID IT WAS ALL TRUE!” That book sent me into a four month anxiety episode! I couldn’t sleep, I was spooked by everything in the news. When she passed away, I was still reading it. I ended up throwing it in the trash! I knew that if all of this was true, our prophet would know about it and warn us. Since then, my trust in everyone from politicians to church leaders to sales and charity pitches has fallen to an all time low. I see lies and scams in things I used to be happily gullible believing . I listened to Tim Ballard and Sean Reyes at a fireside several years ago. I told my husband that Sean seemed like a too-smooth wannabe billionaire politician. And Tim was full of crap and his stories were too fantastical to be true. Here we are, in 2023, with all of the crazies who have come out of these end of time books and groups. How many people dead? How many bizarre crimes have been committed? How many marriages and families split up? It’s unreal, isn’t it?

[@Luluisraging.86]

My Mom checked the book out from the library, and felt such an evil DARKNESS come over our home, and she’d only read a few chapters. My Mom will be 95, in a few weeks. She has been a faithful member of the LDS Church her whole life. I took the book back to the library. I don’t know WHY, any of her LDS FRIENDS, would have read the book, and raved about it!

[@Luluisraging.86]

I can’t stand Sean Reyes!

[@sula1529]

​@@Luluisraging.86I don't know him and never heard of that Sean guy but I thought the Tim man was saving vulnerable children and a good guy? Apparently he is not ; is their any good men left at all???

[@raincadeify]

This is a great comment. Thanks for giving a glimpse into your thought processes as you initially took this stuff in. It reminds me of the scene in Alice in Wonderland (the Judy Garland one of course) when they come upon the field of poisonous poppies. Some escaped, others were overwhelmed by it, depending how long one lingered there.

[@lindamartinez7006]

@@SuzySylvania our church does not approve his book and held a court on him in 2014 . He had to write a letter about his book or be excommunicated . He has to send his letter to anyone who asks about it.

[@raeboyd5596]

And Jodi hildabrand has her own way of determining if you are light or dark. She calls it distortion.

[@lisedale6767]

Years ago I took a hypnosis training in New Mexico. At one point a teacher was doing a demo with one of the students and one of the other students ( a lovely woman who clearly had a lot of intuition but believed In all kinds of things such as twin flames with great conviction) began to tell the student whod been in trance that she'd seen an angel hovering over them. The teacher stopped her right there and told her to be very careful about putting her own, no doubt heartfelt interpretations onto another person's experiemce because it can get in their way of their own self healing. He made us start all interpretations with "i make up that..." because he wanted us to be very clear that our interpretations are our own and should never be imposed. I have noted t hat distinction ever since. I believe that respect is so often missing when people try to heal others. I remember a scene from a program on the holocaust where the narrator i think it was is standing in auschwitz, and says "my god, from the belly of christ, think that yen mght be wrong" and that has been one of my definitions of evil ever since. Not keeping open the possibility that you might be wrong.

[@LizaFergison]

Wow! I've been fascinated by the underbelly of all things Mormon for a few years. Many of the names you mentioned are in my notes. I doubted the sincerity of Tim Ballard for a long time. He had me banned from Utube 2 years ago when I questioned his motives . I was back in hours. Chad, Lori, Julie Rowe and many others lived, rent free, in my brain. Your investigation is superb. There are too many rats in the sewers. I love John Delhin's MSP. Can't wait too see you there.

[@ExpandingHeart]

The parallels between Daybell and Ballard are amazing, and I fear they aren’t the only ones believing in portals, NDEs, light and dark people, etc. Thank you for tying all of the threads together, and I look forward to your episode on Sunday.

[@sleepycalico]

Ballard doesn't need to actually believe in light and dark people to gleefully recognize a successful con to get rid of a spouse.

[@kavitadeva]

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[@lindaolsen7089]

@@sleepycalico True! Right out of the founder of LDS religion, and First Grand Poo-bah, Joseph Smith.

[@jerrimenard3092]

I bet we will hear about more special K infused visions and necromancy. That is what they are doing. They are contacting the dead to get information. This runs deep in some parts of Mormon culture.

[@laurafuller8528]

Does that mean all ancient holy men who had more than one wife were bad guys? God’s systems are higher than human systems. He’s looking at a much bigger picture. Comparing Joseph Smith to any of his followers who became evil by breaking the commandments of God isn’t a fair comparison.

[@daniellealexander7392]

When hidden true crime goes live I stop everyrhing else I'm doing!!!

[@eden_aumakua]

This is amazing work you've put together. Very well-done. I like shining the light onto the Dark Places, Groups and Organizations that harm others. Thank you.

[@Luluisraging.86]

My Mom started reading John Pontius’ book, and started to feel a very STRONG EVIL presence in our home. My Mom read this when she was in her late 80’s. She has been a very STRONG MEMBER, of the LDS Church, her ENTIRE LIFE! She only read a few chapters, and told me, “I’ve got to get this book, OUT of our HOUSE!” So I took it back to the Library. My mom turns 95 the end of this month!

[@WolfRoss]

I have encountered a book like that before. I kept it between two bibles. The top bible was the huge family sized one and it kept moving off of the exorcism book (Hostage to The Devil by Father Malachi Martin from Ireland). So I got rid of the exorcism book.

[@sharonannemail]

I had the very same feelings after a number of chapters myself. I couldn't get rid of it quickly enough.

[@paulmatthews9146]

Same. A few chapters in and I was done...

[@mylifewithmarmalade4624]

Thank you for addressing the overlap between these cases. I feel like the wider media is missing that there isn’t just a geographical connection here. It’s all connected ideologically, and it’s incredibly dangerous.

[@Hdc_thats_me]

There’s probably a reason the big media isn’t covering everything… 🧐

[@livingmombirth4005]

Nothing more dangerous than a group of people talking about visions. Time to lock them all up! Hamas is a bunch of whimps compared to this group of deranged killers.

[@FreedomMatters22]

I worry the overlap is more than most of us could possibly conceive 😢

[@marjoriegarner5369]

My life: incredibly dangerous indeed.

[@Angee2009]

Tim Ballard was telling his wife that the women in his "couple's ruse" wanted her dead. He would then go back to the women and tell them that if his wife was dead, he would marry them. We know what you were up to Tim! We've seen your kind before! That's some scary Daybell stuff. Between Hidden True Crime, Mormon Stories, Mormon Free Radio, Mormon Discussion, and Jordan and Mckay, I'm going to be a Mormon expert. So much hard work. Thank you for being so brave, this can't be easy for either you Lauren or Dr. John.

[@herroyalhighness5634]

Well I wouldn’t say knowing about these topics makes you a Mormon expert, but more of a fringe-radical “Mormon” expert 😂. Lauren is Mormon, (or was for most of her life, I’m not sure if she’s still active), so hopefully people realize the reason she had to put so much work into figuring out Chad/Lori/tim’s belief systems is because they are so far outside any “normal” Mormon beliefs and official teachings. And actually a lot of these beliefs are things that the Mormon church specifically speaks against (like energy healing, reincarnation, etc). Their belief systems are so wildly different from official Mormon doctrine that I’m honestly confused why they all still consider themselves Mormon. I completely agree that seeing Tim’s statements and all of this and how it moved in a downward spiral makes you wonder where this could have led him. Hopefully this downfall will be a wake up call for him to reevaluate this belief system he’s become entrenched in. I think it will make him dig his heels in, though.

[@Mrs_Valentine_Is_Cooking_Pasta]

@@herroyalhighness5634 normal Mormon...lol

[@regenerated4life]

@@herroyalhighness5634 Joseph Smith and his magic rock in his magic hat is a hilarious story.

[@Angee2009]

@@herroyalhighness5634 Thank you for your comment on my comment. Very well said and informative. 😀 I don't know what kind of Mormon expert I might one day be, I'm not even close yet. I do believe you can be an expert and not participate since birth. Expert is the wrong word, but I figured it would get my point across.

[@bewitched3912]

​@@Angee2009I don't think you need to be exposed to the Bishops toxic phone sex interrogation/ inquisitions as a child or to be told to keep silent about abuse and not to tell the police or your parents OR go through the groped non consensual touching and wearing Satan's masonic apron of the symbol of his power on earth 😂 to understand the stupid secrets and subsequent threats if they are exposed by a slit neck from ear to ear and disembowlment complete with the hand gestures of your guts falling out of your abdominal cavity. No, I don't think experience is necessary to be an expert. You probably know more of this "culture" than the mainstream membership

[@wendybee8854]

WOW! That's all I can say right now. I had a bad feeling about Ballard, and now I know why. I've been sitting here with my mouth open. Thank you so much for this deep dive that provides a wealth of damaging information! Goid job Lauren!

[@terrimccullough724]

Agree!!

[@lynphillips2109]

I know! He seemed too good to be true. Now I know why.

[@sadieb7307]

You are such a professional journalist and I know I can always trust your information and integrity. Thank you ! You are amazing !

[@watchdog8058]

agreed!!

[@zanzer386]

You are a bad ass investigative journalist Lauren! This is massive and I def see all the connections you have made. It needs to come to light. Thank you🙏🏻Well done

[@HeidiThompson7]

I remember when Under the Banner of Heaven came out I thought the whole vision thing was super dangerous. That was several murders ago. Thank you for covering this!

[@BarbaraRademacher]

Heidi, I don't remember vision appearing in the book, Under the Banner... I will have to re-read it. Thanks.

[@k8marlowe]

Same!

[@michael-4k4000]

I support Russell and hope he gets the help he needs

[@BarbaraRademacher]

Now I remember with the help of starting to reread Under the Banner... The whole problem started with Papa Lafferty believing he had received a revelation telling him he, Papa, was the Prophet of God. Then, one of his sons believed the same thing about himself.

[@michael-4k4000]

@@BarbaraRademacher I am a member of LDS and I am a prophet! I am the only true Phophet and I go by my new name "Elrod". Do you have any questions for me son?

[@LoLoMcGee]

Lauren I appreciate your hard work sooo much. I am so excited to see where you're taking us next week. Thank you!!!!

[@sallyjackson1873]

When I was active LDS I got a little obsessed with Visions of Glory for about a month. Luckily that obsession wore off! How NUTS!!!

[@spongebobsqueeze]

When I first read this I thought you wrote active LSD. I thought thats an interesting and unique way to dive in. Lol

[@shdfx1]

I am soo glad you are talking about this! Thank you for all the time and effort you are putting in!

[@LottieJMASB]

Surely as a group of people who love this channel, we can get together to provide IT and recording equipment support. A ‘help them to help us’ situation… 🙏

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you Maree!

[@albin2232]

Always the highest possible quality of work from this channel.

[@rachelb315]

Thank you for this absolutely epic report! Great work, Lauren! Thank you for the important work you are doing!

[@mothersgauri4137]

Wow. Thank you so much for digging into this. I do believe this is huge !! A very far reaching web that needs untangling. None of what you said here surprises me. After hearing Adam Paul Steed's interview ( which I understand was forced to be taken down) it became oh, so clear how deep this is all going. Please keep safe. One thing that really struck me listening to this now, is the use of Ketamine for having "spiritual revelations" That didn't register before, and in my mind, takes this all to a much darker place. Good Lord !!!!

[@niania7022]

That makes me angry they are silencing Adam Paul Steed again. Who is doing that?

[@jo.randall]

​@@niania7022I'm almost sure it's the LDS church

[@niania7022]

@@jo.randall I am not surprised.

[@niania7022]

@@jo.randall They need to leave that man alone. He’s been through way too much.

[@hannahwalker7221]

Loved this broadcast, it’s great to see meaningful connections being made amongst this cast of characters, it seems to be a cancer in our society that runs deep and largely undetected.

[@kacycatartist]

This is a great comment! Thank you for saying it. 👏🏻

[@TuberRose333]

So glad you’re meeting with John Dehlin! You two will doubtless empower one another. Thank you Lauren for all your good work ❤

[@nathanielmuse6418]

John Dehlin hates Mormons. That is a fact.

[@heididpursley7380]

I honor your drive and passion to try create hard conversations. I honor your dedication to bring unbiased knowledge and truth to some extremely personal topics. Yall helped up through some hard jabs and I thank you I am trying to have that kind of patience in my personal life around these topics. Peace and Blessings 🤟🏼

[@BlessYourHeart254]

#ReplayCrew If my dreams were prophetic for me and everyone else, we would all have college midterms we missed 😂😂😂 These dreams and “visions” oddly seem to coincide with whoever is trying to start a cult. It’s sick that they WANT the end to come.

[@ChienNoob]

I so agree with you. Longing to see your neighbours including their children in torment and watch the whole world burn while you put up the barricades is horrifying to anyone with a scrap of imagination.

[@KateBrown-hs2zd]

Yes it is very convenient to say someone has a revelation in a dream. Because no one can contest it or verify it. It is all part of the con job or scam. If my dreams were prophetic I would have been showing up to school naked!

[@red_mcapples]

If my dreams were prophetic, I’d be the ruler of Russia with a four poster bed hovercraft and wild Tickle-Me-Elmos would live in Germany’s Black Forest. 😂

[@marysmith509]

kd lang singing "Hallelujah" is so special to me. Hearing that nutball, Lori Vallow singing it to glorify her hitman brother really irks me.

[@happybergner9832]

Lori singing it also hurts my ears

[@tinyspyder]

Your passion is contagious. I really value your insight. You buttoned up all these connections perfectly.

[@giorgismama8024]

This is scary stuff. Visions of Glory seems to tie most of these people together. I might have to see if my local library happens to have it. I have no desire to pay money for it. Thanks, Lauren!

[@sharonannemail]

Please don't read it. I read several chapters back many years ago. I could feel it was not something I wanted ANY part of and threw it out shortly after. Evil is JUST NOT something to trifle with. Trust me!

[@nadinehansen9241]

Wow! What a load of information! You've done a ton of investigation, Lauren. I had no idea that Ballard and the Daybell crowd were so intertwined. Thanks for the heads up on what's coming down the pike with Mormon Stories. I'll be watching for it.

[@lindaclawson6494]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you!

[@bethbee4255]

Thanks for giving us this information. It is really needed!

[@traceonthecase]

Lori was reading visions of glory when she got served in Hawaii.

[@shelikedimaginarymenbestof1293]

Appreciate you so much, words are powerfull and you fishing around is what is needed🎉

[@4Renee9]

Renee here- holy smokes! I didn’t know what I didn’t know! You and Dr John are just amazing! ❤

[@emmawheeler8559]

Great journalism with a proactive focus, keep on uncovering all this! It’s so important to bring to light

[@MichelleTischner]

I love that you’re covering this, these conversations that are desperately needed.

[@helenporcello1924]

Love your shows. Just recently found you and Dr John. Thank you

[@Will0wFire]

And this is why you're so amazing and a good place to come to. Your journalistic brain saw something everybody missed and began to dig deeper. Good on you!! And thanks for sharing.

[@glossypots]

I’m so glad you are delving deep into this belief system because I think the influences that are seeping into mainstream culture are ultimately dangerous to all of us. The trafficking hysteria has bothered me for awhile. Seeing how out of touch many people are with the reality of these complicated social/economic situations that arise from dysfunction not only in families but in the systems we have put into operation to deal with these concerns are extremely complex and cannot be explained or addressed with sensational sound bites. I worked in one of the last locked institutions (at that time) for delinquent girls 14-18 years old in San Francisco in the 1970s. These were girls who had been involved in more serious crimes involving violence, theft rings, occasionally murder, but most had been used in the sex trade in one form or another. I think the most surprising aspect of all this to me is how close and continuing (there was little at that time we could do to stop it) the relationship with their ‘pimps’ or alternative family systems remained through all this punishment and therapy. It was the ‘pimp, traffickers’ they turned to because their real families were rarely in contact. Girls are not suddenly taken off the streets bundled into cars and introduced into sex slavery. The process is much different and far more subtle. Girls and young men get alienated from families for so many reasons. It is not always what most people consider obviously dysfunctional households, it can be drugs, sexual orientation, it can also be the form of discipline, lack of discipline or even religion. If questioning too much long held beliefs of parents. The reasons are varied, the problem is alienation and solutions are not easy and take a great deal of awareness and insight.

[@judimoore1678]

Will the evangelical right and mormons clash as they each try to take over the minds of America's future generations?

[@artiejohnson703]

I know you are working with a team to uncover all the background of vision of glory. But please be careful, I will pray for your safety and your families safety. All these people are not people to mess with. I am just a concerned listener. ❤

[@alexisr5199]

This seems so important Lauren. God speed in your quest forward. I would worry more for you but seems you're not alone. 💜

[@Carnivore1959]

Well this broke my heart. I watched the movie and had no idea. Nothing is what it seems anymore ...i am learning so much i thought was good was not. 😢

[@tamihutchings2537]

Lauren! This is excellent reporting. I could listen to you all day. Or night!❤

[@beanster53]

One of your best Lauren, Wow go girl

[@EmmaCooksYouTubeChannel]

Thanks for sharing all your hard work with us. I could feel your energy through the camera! Between both you and Dr Babe, this is my favorite true crime KZbin channel by far.

[@calico-kat-mom6204]

This is going to be very informative thank you so much for your time and efforts

[@GoodGolly.MissLolly]

I have a lot of Christian friends (ex-Christian myself) and they will not hear a bad word said about Tim Ballard. I was with a group of them recently and the movie was brought up and I mentioned that Tim was a QAnoner and the comments! Oh, the comments! lol. I was told I was listening to the “wrong sources”. I told them he has literally said himself that he believes in QAnon. They can’t be convinced

[@Zorobbabel]

They are brainwashed. 😢

[@GoodGolly.MissLolly]

@@jewelgazer no, none. Is LDS considered Christian?

[@GoodGolly.MissLolly]

@@jewelgazer yes, that’s what I thought. We don’t have a big Mormon community here in Australia so I don’t know much more than their basic beliefs, which don’t appear to align with the Christian tenets

[@virginiainla8085]

Worse than that, he actually lied and misrepresented Q posts. Said he was an insider when he wasn't

[@wk8000]

@@GoodGolly.MissLollyit’s not but Mormons like to say they are Christian. They nothing even close! They just misuse the name of Jesus.

[@JessicaNebeker]

Thank you for your work and staying on this. Fish it out and bring it to light.

[@tweetiebirdism]

I’m so glad I found this podcast, I suspected there as a connection. Great research! I started following you on Threads.

[@k8marlowe]

Lauren, I’m always amazed (and a bit envious 😉) of your stellar research skills. Keep following your instincts. You have “unveiled” so much about these groups already and the work you’re doing is important. Looking forward to more!

[@lorrainelaneres-zh1ut]

Winding down after my nightshift to my fave true crime podcast 🙌❤️🙌 and had to just pause to comment on how much I love you playing about with video and realise it’s blurred 🤦🏻‍♀️😩🤣this is what I love about you! You extremely talented and gifted and your computer skills are comical 😂I’m shocking with computer, as a nurse I’m only five with all the stuff I do all the time🫣 apart from that your charismatic to watch with your cute mannerisms❤️ love how you keep it real and keep us all so well informed 🤣🤣🤣( my dreams last night was like I had 3 cup cakes then I slept in) hahaha too funny 😂 right I’m shutting up so I can restart you, you’re the reason I’m not sleeping just now when I should as back in saving life’s again tonight 😩right I’m shutting up, oh your meeting ip with John delhin 🙏❤️🙏love him too yaaay💕💕💕💕

[@vickymaynard4963]

Thank You Lauren for all you do! I have to say I have never seen you so flustered or excited, not sure what to call it but I think you are a dog with a bone and remind me to not do anything wrong and let you know about it :)...I sincerely mean that in the best of ways. I hope you find what you are looking for and bring it to the light...no pun intended. Safe travels.

[@nathanielmuse6418]

Man! Where are all these wacko Latter-day Saints? I am an active member for over 50 years. I live in North Texas. Never heard of these crazy beliefs. What is wrong with people?

[@ak8990]

I’m from NC, from what I can tell this is mostly coming from the west Utah bubble. Those people seem to be kinda crazy! Glad I don’t live out there!

[@nathanielmuse6418]

@@ak8990, two of my sons and their families live in Utah. They don't know anyone that thinks like that. Or the people just don't talk about it. I will stay in Texas, thank you! 😁

[@joebideb]

You follow Joseph Smith and His teachings started all this evil!

[@kerri4058]

Thank you! You’re so intuitive.

[@saskiarachel7271]

Thank you so much for doing so much to investigate this story as a whole. I can't wait to see you and Dr John with on Mormon stories again. Thank you again for all your work

[@terievans7318]

This faction seems to be to LDS what other cults are to other forms of Christianity. And Hamas or Taliban are to Muslims. 🤯 Mind-blowing.

[@kelrogers8480]

If you want to purify Mormonism or Islam (both with eerily alike beginnings), you need to move away from the Book of Mormon or Quran. If you want to purify Christianity, on the other hand, you need to go back to the Bible!

[@raincadeify]

@@kelrogers8480 You do realize that Islam, Christianity and Judaism are ancient religions who worship the same God, right? And Mormonism is about 200 years old based on nothing of cultural or historical importance? Islam and Mormonism are nothing alike.

[@raincadeify]

@@kelrogers8480 Are you saying Christians haven't killed, raped, tortured people who refused to conform or insisted on keeping their own traditions?

[@kelrogers8480]

@@raincadeify no, the don't. Islam was started 600 years AFTER Christ. Allah is nothing like the God of the old or new testament. If you knew anything about it's beginnings you would know that. The old testament - Judaism - was completed 400 yrs before Christ as born. You really don't know what you're talking about. A little study would do you good - you need to earn your right to debate with the adults!

[@raincadeify]

@@kelrogers8480 Lol, they're both offshoots of Judaism. There's nothing I said that is incorrect. Better read a bit more than a wiki page.

[@emptynesters2520]

Love connecting the dots with you Lauren! Who would’ve ever thought they were all linked! It’s all coming together! Thank you for being boots on the ground and shining a light of truth on this craziness! We appreciate you!

[@shankins88]

There should be waayy more Likes on this video! Actually, on all your videos! Incredible reporting, Lauren. This channel is one of the only news sources that I trust these days. Keep digging!

[@dobnerk]

Thank you for all the time you've spent researching that issue. It's amazing how many people in this group have gotten themselves in the news. You've been on this story from before it blew up.

[@DragonPlush_YT]

I believe in you and trust your journalism. Excellent channel!!

[@rebeccapotter3413]

Lauren this was so interesting. You have done an incredible amount of work on this and it is amazing!

[@SometimesPerplexed]

I REALLY admire your fortitude and firm hold on sanity for plowing through all the writings and conferences. I think that would drive me over the edge, to where exactly I’m not sure.

[@robyn874]

Lauren we appreciate the many hours, & the time bringing us up to date on all the facts of these cases. Thankyou ❤😊

[@jenyancey]

Excellent deep dive! I would love to see you interview Meg Conley. I can imagine she feels so conflicted about feeling a bit of vindication with everything that’s come out. Tim has said he buried her. It’s horrible that his die hard followers would be so cruel to her. You can just feel her kindness & good heart when listening to her. How are some of his followers so so so duped. It’s truly mind blowing. Someone close to me was obsessed with visions of glory so I’ve also been making the connections of all these “players”. Thank you for all your research & reporting!

[@BarbaraRademacher]

I did it! I just joined your Patreon group. I cannot begin to describe how impressed I am with your investigative journalism!!!!!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you Barbara!

[@justine7083]

Makes you wonder if Chad and Lori/Alex were the only ones in this crowd committing murder.

[@Zorobbabel]

Hmm, food for thought.

[@spellboots568]

They were indeed not

[@Kris-mu3wm]

Am I mistaken or has Jodi Hilldebrandt been associated with some of these conferences and speakers as well?

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

At the 41:00 mark

[@Kris-mu3wm]

Thank you!

[@michelleayres5608]

Did anyone find a "safe house" that Julie Rowe was collecting money for? What if this entire movement is just a gig? Just a way to raise money for themselves?

[@vickymaynard4963]

I have firmly believed that from day one! These people are so transparently phony it's ridiculous so many people were fooled and to think that all the sudden they all had these NDE but didn't tell anyone in their orbit until they started writing books...unbelievable. OH and not to mention but to mention LORI now having had one too when she had Tylee but didn't tell a soul EVER!!! You can firmly believe if that had happened as much of a zealot as she has been her entire life that she would have shouted that from the rooftops and never one little peep about it until her sentencing....hmmm...

[@Zorobbabel]

😂 I bet it is. Just a scam.

[@EattheFOODTina-ND]

Great investigative reporting Lauren. Thank you!

[@ksummer6427]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🥳yay Lauren!! I’m so excited for everything that’s coming👍🏻

[@Enoch840]

Thank You Lauren & Dr John! ❤ Your extraordinary energy & dedication is shedding light on evil darkness of cults among us. I stand with you!!! 💪🏽💪🏽💯❤

[@lorawalker5259]

W-O-W!!! You deserve to be nominated for a Pulitzer Prize under investigative journalism!!!! I will start the petition!!

[@modmoxgoods]

Love you but the filter makes me think I got clean my glasses😂

[@gunfranzen2831]

Totally agree🤪 you are so beautiful and looks so much better without the filter in my opinion🩷

[@BarbaraRademacher]

This video is incredibly impressive? Your research is praiseworthy. I am trying to figure out how to add your video to my KZbin Favorites when I do not see a Save button on it, but maybe I can do that from my KZbin History. I am editing this comment to say I was able to add this episode to my Favorites by going to History and clicking on the 3 buttons. Now, I plan to go to Patreon and join your podcast there. I am already a KZbin member.

[@MKConnecticut]

Ketamine is a dissociative, considered either medicine or a recreational drug, depending what you’re using it for. Not sure what Tim Ballard was using it for, but EVERYONE steps out of themselves and many experience visions (or hallucinations). This is all f’ed up- you were totally spot on, Lauren. I listened to the reading of that lawsuit and words and phrases were jumping out at me - remembering the Daybell case, of course. Thank you for your obvious hard work and extensive research. You’re connecting the dots for us and it’s very much appreciated 🙏🏽

[@honeybadger3570]

Did you read that or experience it? I used Ketamine (special K) often in my 20's during my clubbing years - never once felt what you described Never hallucinated or felt out of myself

[@MKConnecticut]

@@honeybadger3570 I’ve used it recreationally and therapeutically. I only experienced hallucinations in very high doses in infusions- not like psychedelics, but indeed hallucinations. And I certainly did feel the dissociative effect- using recreationally as well. That’s what i liked about it. It was a “break” from being in my own head for awhile. My son used it in the 90’s as a partying drug. I’ve never used it for that. I know folks who are using the nasal spray for depression and at least one is getting very good results.

[@TeeJayNZ]

@@honeybadger3570 a couple of years ago I saw someone trip hard on Ket he went down an intense rabbit hole for 10 mins and what he described was out of this world . Some people use high doses to have an experience like this .

[@Elizabethvaughan1]

I wasn’t aware that people were using that recreationally ! It has been used as an anesthetic for 50 + years particularly in Veterinary medicine . After seeing hundreds of cats , dogs , monkeys and apes under it’s influence , I , for the life of me can’t understand why anybody would want to subject themselves to it voluntarily .

[@honeybadger3570]

@@Elizabethvaughan1 😊😆 Some of the best times of my early 20's were on that lol but I was also on ecstacy at the time too. Made the mistake once of taking k w/o being on x 🙃 I was stuck on the outdoor Patio at the club couldn't stand on my legs till almost 2am bar close. I knew what was going on I just didn't have strength to move As for why willingly... it's been 20 years since I've been in that party scene, but I raced flattrack motorcycles 24/7/365 from 7yo until 15 when my stepdad died on the infield while I was out on the track racing - they called flight for life but they couldn't save him. My life as I knew it ended, the only thing I knew my entire life from dirt track racing to ice racing, the adrenaline weekend after weekend just ripped away and gone at 15. Certainly wasn't for lack of trying I even went out for cheerleading in 9th grade high school and made it... being a petite 100lb I was the one being tossed in the air - would have been fine had they just dropped me but bc one side caught me and the other side didn't, the not caught side slammed into the ground with my arm out and broke my arm clean through an inch from my shoulder joint so they couldn't cast it. 3 months in a arm to body brace and physical therapy to move & lift my arm again... yeah fell into the party crowd after that and didn't want out until I was 24

[@TabathaKellie]

Great work uncovering all these connections! So many people are becoming deluded... it's so sad. Lauren, your hair looks so flattering parted to the side like in this video.

[@ReneS8373]

Thank you for this inf

[@jamespweiss]

Thank You, Please, Please , Please continue to expose the truth of these vile, immoral and truly evil people that are destroying so many. The LDS community is rife with these snakes hidden among the fold. Good people are in need of your willingness to seek the TRUTH. God Bless You and John.

[@regenerated4life]

Holy smokes! This is quite a connection between really wicked people!

[@misshoneychurch8153]

Wow! Wow, wow, wow, wow. Excellent Journalism!! Thank you for your hard work.

[@rochellebeasley9246]

Brilliant Lauren. Great journalism.

[@mcdonols]

Great findings, very impressive work! You’re an admirable journalist.

[@The_sky_is_still_blue]

Impressive work Lauren - Keep it up ! It’s a comfort that you’re on this case ; I love your brain 😊 💜

[@venomdust1]

Tim Ballard could have taken a woman with undercover experience or military back round. He chose LDS women who would be a liability in. The odd thing is Tim has been in front of every camera for the last 3 years raising millions of dollars telling everyone what he does for a living. He was filmed with the president talking about S/T through the border and even made a movie about himself rescuing kids. Then still thinks a LDS office worker would make look legitimate .every trafficker now knows his face and his tactics . Putting the kids the women and himself In danger . I really want to hammer this home . # 1 Tim instead of focusing on raising money and letting other people go undercover wanted to be worshipped like a movie star Then try to go undercover after showing his face everywhere risking so many lives . All for his ego #2 Tim chose inexperience women that would be intimidated by his use of the churches authority when they were isolated and in a strange place He did not choose what you would want on that mission . A strong woman with military or undercover experience if the mission went wrong. Adding more danger to the mission . Every decision he made was to boost his ego and sex life at the risk of every one’s life .

[@Zorobbabel]

Typical narcissistic individual who sniffed too much of his own farts and believed it smelled like candy. 😅

[@booswanger3801]

@@Zorobbabel, good one 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Elizabethvaughan1]

He wants to be a politician !

[@Zorobbabel]

@@Elizabethvaughan1 Great! That's what the country needs right now, a nutty politician. We are so screwed. 😫😪

[@KumikoKurasawa]

A strong woman with military/undercover experience would know a fool

[@katieh193]

Another interesting fact is that Ruby Franke lives in Springville, UT. That's the same place Chad Daybell is from.

[@Cali-is-top10]

Who’s the conspiracy theorist now?

[@davidjohnzenocollins]

"Who's the conspiracy theorist now?" Me! Me! I am! I am!

[@bh1351]

So glad you are bring awareness to this.

[@Jelly_andJam]

They are all connected to each other 😮. Tim, Jodi, Chad, .....

[@jodinim6508]

The common denominator with these cases ( Daybell, Ballard, & Hildebrandt) is fringe mormonism. And the leaders of the church ignore it until it bites them. They don't stop it while it's hurting people.

[@AngryReptileKeeper]

Mormonism is a perfect example of how the only difference between a cult and a religion is follower numbers and public acceptance.

[@safari79]

“Bruce, thank you for being there.” 🤣👏🏻😅

[@ruthwindsor3549]

Lauren, your research is impeccable! Perhaps these groups can at last be dissolve. It 56:57 sure did not end with Chad and Lori! STAY SAFE!!!!

[@sew161]

I appreciate all you are doing here. The rot seems to go all the way through😢

[@JoSews-t6m]

Wow. This is mind blowing. You are the MASTER of deep diving. Thank you for all your hard work and amazing investigative powers!

[@barbaraanne2136]

Thanks for the background and update. I needed it. Oh, JJ, sweet baby. We love you forever.

[@debraguzman8522]

Holy cow girl you are amazing can't wait for Sunday thank you 💕

[@debhadden205]

Julie Rowe was in my ward in Iowa. It's crazy to see this come full circle.

[@jamybailey]

Ty for everything you do! I've taken a brief hiatus since loris trial. But tim ballard reeled me back in. I have a question that I hope isn't too personal and you certainly don't have to answer. Are you still an active member or the church?

[@BecciBuck]

I had no idea Tim was this connected to the prepper groups. I’d only ever heard of Visions of Glory. I may have to listen to it for myself. The way it was talked about in AVOW made it seem innocent and benign. I’d NEVER heard of portals or “light/dark” people until the Daybell case. This is scary! I thought Chad and Lori (mainly Chad) were making up their own things. But that came from Visions of Glory? 🤯

[@mjhansen1773]

It’s been written and taught for years before “Spencer” ever came forward with his version.

[@loribaker8339]

DO NOT read Visions of Glory! Please!! It is so very evil that even though you think you can read it with an open mind and it will not affect you, you are wrong! The evil and mind altering power is very strong. It is not worth going there!

[@TadiKAT]

Lori singing her version of Hallelujah.... Sadly chilling. Yeah Alex changed for sure. He doesn't/didnt seem too "bright".... horrifying how she uaed her own Brother! Of course we know what she did to her own children 🙄....the entire World could change IF ONLY PPL COULD THINK CRITICALLY😢 Thanks our Beautiful Lauren ❤❤

[@booswanger3801]

It was super cringy for sure

[@ddominguez2889]

Update... 52 minute mark and red flags mentioned. All I have to say is LDS/Mormons and the off shoot of preppers /etc. appears to be very scary. I'm greatful I am not and havev never been LDS or prepper mormon off shoot.... yikes very scary.

[@megannkids]

Wow thanks for sharing and connecting the crazy dots. What horrible mess and tragic for those involved.