Visit to Battle Born Batteries plant

[@davidjames1684]

@altE Store - By the way Amy, I did a test today using my 4 used 6V 230Ah AGMs in a series parallel arrangement (so 12V 460Ah rated and 12V 230Ah usable). I simulated a full drain of one of those battle born batteries rated at 12V 100AH (so 1.2 KWh). I used a Kill-A-Watt meter to measure the power consumed and stopped at exactly at 1.2 KWh. The test took 1 hour 3 minutes with a load of about 1140 watts (a space heater on the lower setting). During the last part of the drain, the under load batteries showed 11.7V and then when I removed the load, they immediately went up to 12.3V and then a few seconds later went up to 12.4V. So I would say they were in a mid state of charge (SoC), no more than 50% DoD (Depth of Discharge), likely a little less like maybe 45% DoD (55% SoC). So my main points being that good used AGMs can easily outperform one 12V 100Ah Battle Born lithium battery for both price and performance (unless very light weight is needed like in a moving vehicle). The bank of 4 batteries can easily take 100A of charge power as that will be about 50A per 12V subbank (of 2 batteries). Since they are rated at 6V 230Ah each (so rated at 12V 230Ah per series pair) , that is only about 0.22 C charge rate for them. Very reasonable. I suspect they could take double that while in their bulk charge phase, possibly more if you were in a big hurry to charge them. Next time I might drain them to 1.28 KWh and record the results and make a KZbin video to show people that 6V AGMs are a great way to get cheap power. Then they can see how they still have plenty of power left after draining them the same as "flattening" a single 12.8V 100Ah Battle Born battery to 0%. I will also show charging them with the most powerful charger I have, which I think can do about 50A of charge power on a 24V bank (sucking more than 1500 watts out of the wall outlet). It should be fun. No editing either... just long pauses while the battery bank takes over an hour to drain down to about 50%.

[@tranerekt1731]

I just bought six of these for my trailer, and this video has bolstered the confidence that I have that I've made the correct choice. Awesome chutney!!

[@monti409]

Just placed an order through your Alte store, outstanding service.

[@CrackerFL]

Will Prowse literally took apart a Battle Born battery. He was amazed at the quality! He also has torn apart other batteries and found out they were junk, some even dangerous! I will be buying a Battle Born battery for my RV ! Don't want my rig catching on fire! DO NOT TAKE a battery apart! Will knew how to due to his YEARS of doing solar!

[@kenhurley4441]

BBB responded to his tear-down video! Yep they're watching.

[@lovesmykitties9672]

MJ Railey saw the cheepie one Will did. But he was able to do this and reuse the guts. Good product mho.

[@j.b.9895]

Will Is the man, he’s the final say on the issue

[@riiwind]

Nice of them the quiet down the production line for you during your interviews so us the viewers can here you clearly :)

[@AltEStore]

Sorry, my fault. I had brought equipment to do an interview in their conference room. Then we decided the floor would be more interesting, but I hadn't brought my good mic. I didn't want to slow their production down at all. I'll be adding closed captions to help, just ran out of time.

[@Milesco]

@@AltEStore : Yeah, I understand what you were trying for. Unfortunately it didn't work. _Extremely_ difficult to hear what either of you are saying. ☹ Appreciate your offer to add captions, but according to the time stamp on your comment, it has been a year now. Where are the captions?

[@alpence4365]

Be glad when the price drops, 899.00 is way out of the ball park.

[@richardsandwell2285]

We do need cheaper energy storage systems, it would not be so bad if batteries lasted a lifetime and were almost bulletproof, but many having such fickle maintenance requirements. We can only hope if existing Lithium really is the future, the cost will drop to around the same price as an AGM battery.

[@Milesco]

@@richardsandwell2285: I'd be happy if they were _twice_ the price. But 4-5 times the price is really pushing it. :-\

[@basspig]

Yup. Try buying 80 of these batteries..

[@j.b.9895]

Al Pence yeah but when you consider one of these is equal to 2-3 AGMS price is ok. My issue with them is they won’t take a charge in temps under 30 degrees

[@davidmicheletti6292]

This battery is on the top of my short list for my off grid house we are planing.

[@1menarje]

I have 6 of these batteries to run my home day and night (except for 220 volt items). My set up is 2040 watts of Panels-3000 watt reliable inverter and Outback 80 amp charger. At night batteries start out at 27.0 volts (7:30pm) volts and are only at 25.5 volts in the morning (7am). At an average 600 watts per hour at night. THAT’S AMAZING!!!!!! I replaced 8 fairly new Trojan L-16 batteries at 980 LBS with these 6 Lithium Batteries. No comparison in performance-(Charging or Discharging) These batteries charge up twice as fast (Reaches float mode by 1pm) as the L-16’s did and zero worries about venting gases is a huge plus. Also a huge plus is the customer service and support you get from these guys. Cheers to these fine folks at Battle Born Batteries.

[@Milesco]

@@1menarje : "600 watts per hour"? Let's try that again. You know what a watt is, right? What did you _really_ mean? Did you mean that your rate of discharge was 600 watts during the night? (That seems rather high. Your batteries would be totally discharged by morning. Even a typical refrigerator only uses around 50-60 watts on average during its duty cycle.) Or did you mean that your total discharge overnight was 600 watt-hours?

[@Drewboo1968]

@@Milesco He states he has 6 batteries. 100Amps x 12 Volts (nominal) = 7200 Watt hours or 7.2 kWh of stored energy. 600 Wh x 8hrs of overnight is 4.8 kWh used. His 2000ish watts of solar charge it by lunchtime on a good day. Sounds about right to me.

[@marzsit9833]

consider that this is a small startup company with a mostly human-based manufacturing system, like tesla the first models have to be "expensive" in order to build the company. also consider that this battery is marketed primarily to rv and recreational users who need a light, powerful, quick-charging sealed battery that they can stuff under a bed and will last a long time. $1K really isn't bad when you consider that it will last 10 years and if you get walmart rv/marine batteries for $100 you're going to need new ones every year or two so after 10 years, you will have spent almost that much for the "cheaper" batteries..

[@agscheidle]

current 1575AH battery: $2500. 800AH (since I would only need half given the 100% DoD) Battleborn: $7200. Nice idea, but gonna have to lower the prices. Also need more voltage options.

[@WillProwse]

the battle born lasts 5-10 times as long....

[@evadevries2952]

Agreed. Rolls wet cells can last decades if cared for. Had 6 Trojan golf cart batts on our last sailboat that lasted almost 15 years.

[@KVUSMC-KU4SMC]

Awesome Batteries Alt E

[@davidwright4211]

The life of the lithium batteries will be more like 20 to 30 years depending use if they do fail it mostly a matter of disassembling the battery and replacing the faulty cell or cells that is now done for the owners of Toyota Prius car batteries

[@Totogita]

The cost of electricity is making America poor, especially the retired seniors. This battery cost 1000 dollars for the 100 ah and 500 something for 50 ah. This is why China will become the greatest country in the world, the cost of their crystallized carbon based batteries are way less. So I will be dealing with them so I can buy food

[@timallbritton3716]

Geez, thanks for helping China finance the Covid Virus that you so boastfully bragged about sending them your money ...

[@Yukonjackman1]

Didn't i just read IBM OR another company discovered a new better process or cheeper battery on the future soon , glad i waited.

[@davidjames1684]

Why does Amy make a face when he says charging at 100A is possible? There are 120 cells inside so that is 833mA per cell and those are 26650 cells I believe so that seems reasonable. Maybe the BMS has issues with 100A going in which is why the guy does't recommend it. I hate when people say to do or not do something and they don't explain why.

[@joeo7257]

Will my existing charge controller charge at a higher rate with the new batteries, or do I have to make an adjustment to it? If so, will my charge controller need larger wires to handle the increase in amps to the new batteries?

[@AltEStore]

Different batteries shouldn't automatically make changes to rate. If nothing changes with the solar into the charge controller, and the charge controller settings aren't changed, then you will have the same output. If you do make changes that causes the charge controller to output higher current, then you need to make sure your wires and breakers are properly sized for the higher current.

[@michaeldoherty2289]

@@AltEStore LiFePo4 has much less internal resistance than an AGM battery so the charging is a lot quicker, especially at the top end where AGM battery resistance slows that charging down a lot. If your wires are sized correctly for AGM, you should be golden. Your controller will only output the max value of the controller. And, lower resistance mean cooler wires anyway doesn't it? Proper wire size will be the same as far as I can see.

[@davidjames1684]

Those batteries would be awfully expensive for a golf cart application. Better and much cheaper solution... just get some good used AGMs with the option to put a single good used 300W solar panel on the roof of the golf cart. That setup would be thousands of $ cheaper and in my opinion, more fun. It would also allow you to use a small onboard charger instead of a large and heavy not so portable charger.

[@mylesm7947]

What is the cost comparison between a bank of battle born and the tesla power wall, Thx

[@davidjames1684]

What I would really like to see Sean do is make his own video where he would simulate using one of his 12A 100A LiFePO4 batteries in a real world situation by draining it once daily to a different SoC (State of Charge) to simulate both sunny and cloudy days, sometimes draining it to 100% DoD (Depth of Discharge) and other times shallower (like to 50% DoD) and many in between (such as 75% DoD). It would take 10 years just to get 3,652 cycles so how can they already be claiming 3000 to 5000 cycles unless they are cycling it many times in the same day which is likely not a realistic scenario for a customer. I would like to see the chart of expected cycles vs. DoD for that battery and also information on what happens if you drain it deeply and not recharge it for say more than 24 hours. I would also like data on slow charging (is that good or bad for it) and can this battery be left on a trickle charger (13.6V per 12V) and if so, what should be charge current settle down to minimum (10mA, 25mA...).

[@AltEStore]

Did you see the video Will Prowse just did tearing the battery apart? I think you'll like it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWaoZGOrYptpjKs

[@goodasgone81]

Any word on when the 24v will be hitting the market?

[@controlyourfuture5477]

These batteries are for folk that just want to drop it in and forget it. Warranty is the best too however, for me I bought a GBS battery for $550 and free shipping.It's the same 100 Hr size but no BMS. I've ran my battery now for 1 year in a box as a trolling motor battery and pulled .6 C and charge it at .4c and not one cell is out of voltage range. BMS's can fail and cause fire or take out your battery pack or even short out your electrical system. I rather have voltage meters to glace at the voltage and not worry about it also, the only real danger is charging in cold weather and having a way to keep these batteries from freezing is a must. Having the batteries in the RV the climate is never below 32f. The battery can handle freezing temps and you can pull power out of it however, charging it can and will damage it.

[@christee2908]

I would never trust a LiFePO4 battery bank with a BMS in marine applications. Imagine your in the middle of the Atlantic and your navigation stops working because of a faulty BMS...

[@peterxyz3541]

I'll be visiting Reno next year, any discount for 2?

[@NG-TX]

Where is the plant? I didn't see a damn thing in the video

[@OverlandArizona4690]

How do these batteries handle heat? I live in the desert southwest and temps normally hit above 115 degrees during the summer months.

[@squirerad]

Lithium doesn't like temperatures near freezing or greater than 120 degrees. Lifespan would diminish for ANY battery in the heat. You'll have to keep them indoors and you'll be fine.

[@richardsandwell2285]

I heard with Lithium if the temperature drops below the freezing point of water and you try to charge a Lithium, for example:- on a freezing cold but sunny day with Solar, the batteries will die instantly, proving a very costly mistake.

[@michaeldoherty2289]

@@richardsandwell2285 Not instantly, but it will die. That is why the BMS prevents any charging when its cold, even though LiFePo4 can be charged at a very slow rate down to -4 F. I think the Battleborn allows charging down to 25F so their BMS must slow the charging rate for them to do that safely. As far as I know they are the only brand that can do that. Relion brand battery now has a low temperature series battery with a built in warmer that automatically takes the charge input and puts it into the warmer first until the battery is heated to a safe charging temperature. Then the charge input begins to go into battery charging. I think that is the wave of the future. Relion 100ah warming battery is $1348.95, so you'll pay dearly for it, but if you are in cold sunny climate, it may be well worth the cost.

[@christee2908]

@@michaeldoherty2289 LiFePO4 absolutely do not like it cold, and charging with a low current takes hours apart from how far they are below freezing point. So is charging above 77°F also not the best option, you just shorten live cycle of the battery... I would be very cautious in buying any drop-in LFP from Ali_xxx or Ebay. Only buy from a reputable Chinese manufacturer. I presume Battle Born are doing this for their cells and BMS. They have a reputation to keep, if they can hold it. But they should remove the sticker on the batteries they build: 'Made in the USA' better call it 'Assembled in the USA'.

[@michaeldoherty2289]

@@christee2908 That is exactly what I did. I built a 240ah prismatic battery with quality prismatic Chinese 240ah 3.2v cells. Used a super good 200a BMS too. I also built an insulated battery box with a 20W gel pad heater inside with a thermostat so I can keep it at any temp I want. So far its working perfectly at less $1000 total cost.

[@Travellerwiz]

You have your C numbers backwards. 0.5C is 50A, 0.3C is 30A, ect..

[@Milesco]

Good catch. Yeah, they got the ".2" and ".5" reversed.

[@johndoe-yt7hs]

What cells are inside theese?> has anyone taken one apart and found 26650 or pouch style batteries inside? How much would it cost to just build your own?

[@michaeldoherty2289]

You can build a prismatic cell battery much cheaper than the Battleborn. But you must understand the weak link in LiFePo4 batteries is the BMS. Battleborn must have supreme confidence in their BMS to offer a 10 year warranty. You can source BMS's directly from China with the specs you want, but I am not sure you'd be able to place your trust in it like you can with the Battleborn system. As far as building your own, I have been researching that question for a week now. I just got a quote today for a 240ah prismatic cell battery (4- 240 ah prismatic cells in series), with pure copper busbars and screws and a 200a (supposedly quality) BMS, and the price was 930 delivered to my door in WA State including 5% paypal fee. Now that is a fine price for 240ah compared to 100ah for the Battleborn. The specs are nearly identical, but now I have to decide if its worth the risk! The China source does have a 5 year warranty and they have been around a relatively long time for their industry, but its a crapshoot with a grand on the line........

[@laronis]

Will Prowse recently took one apart, great video kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWaoZGOrYptpjKs

[@richardsandwell2285]

It is nice to see things being manufactured in the USA instead of abroad, Trump is obviously having a positive effect on USA manufacturing.

[@AltEStore]

The company has been making batteries in Nevada since 2014.

[@michaeldoherty2289]

@@AltEStore Make no mistake about it, all their components are from Asia. If you had the Battleborn specs, you could contract the same components from Asia and assemble the final product here too. Their specs have made them what they are, not the fact that they are made in Reno. They started Battleborn Batteries well (2014) before Trump. Question now is if the new tariffs are going to raise their component prices (25%) and thus increase the retail prices they will have to charge to remain profitable? Guess we'll see soon. Maybe Battleborn will go the way of the soybean farmer? Oh wait, they are getting bailouts. Battleborn will not.

[@davidjames1684]

This guy stated that charging at 100A is more harmful to this battery than discharging at 100A but didn't say why. What good is making a statement like that when there is nothing to back it up?

[@DavidTaylor-hk9ir]

What is the charging rate of your batteries .

[@sponge850bobette7]

I am for eastern Canada (Quebec) and my application would be at a cabin which in winter. The temperature is way below freezing (like Maine). What happens with these batteries?

[@nelsonquimbyjr5681]

i have a ?? i have 200 watt solar panel new and a 100 amp hour battery all 12 volt new been hooked up now for 3 days and on one post the + post its starting to get Corrosion ??? is it the battery or something ?? its been running good and i been uesing it any info will help thanks

[@richardsandwell2285]

Try cleaning your terminal posts, make sure they shine brightly, remake the connection making sure it is tight and secure. Then obtain some terminal post grease for batteries or failing that use Petroleum Jelly. Not sure if you are talking about PbSo4 batteries, if you are, it maybe being overcharged and the acid could be boiling out and leaking on to the terminals. Always wear a full face shield or at the very least goggles when working near batteries. Have a solution of Sodium Bicarbonate at the ready to neutralize any acid spills or splashes.

[@kenduzouir]

Is this battery the same as Simpliphi Lithium Ion Battery?

[@AltEStore]

They are similar, but the SimpliPhi has a longer warranty.

[@basspig]

It would cost me six figures to buy enough of these batteries to power an Aims 140kW split phase inverter. The inverter costs $29k but the battery cost would be four times that.

[@AltEStore]

What on earth are you powering that you need 140kW of power? You bet the battery bank will be expensive to store all that energy. That does not sound like a residential system.

[@basspig]

@@AltEStore I'm trying to replace 200A mains service. The idea of the 140kW inverter is that it's safety margin from overloads is great and thus should not be prone to failure like a 15kW inverter that's running at 140% capacity some of the time. We have all electric ceramic cooktop, electric dryer, 3 large air conditioners, a recording studio, a theater with a large venue projector, an electronics laboratory and a 20,000-watt sound system to power. Fortunately a lot of the larger loads are intermittent. We have a static 4-5kW draw that's 24/7. That'll be the rendering workstations in the studio, our networking gear and web server. The shop has about a dozen pieces of test equipment, power use from 140W to 500W each. We pay about $8,000 /year for electricity now. It increases every year. Over the next ten years, we expect to shell out six figures for electricity. That would pay for a decent amount of solar cells. Storage overnight remains the challenge. I keep revisiting this technology development every 2 years to see how things progress. I'm tempted to start a small scale system to get my web server running 100% on solar power, but even that will cost thousands.

[@basspig]

@@cavemancamping I'd worked 90 hours weeks for 15 years to afford all that in the 1970s. I'm now retired on $730 monthly social security.

[@davidjames1684]

1:27 - Your chart is wrong. The .5 and the .2 should swap positions and C/3 = .33 C, not .3C. 0.3C = 30A for a 100Ah battery, not 33A. Over 2 years and nobody corrected this video? That tells me a lot about you Amy.

[@laronis]

Man, i was worried for a minute that my math skills had seriously deteriorated cuz i couldn't figure that one out, lol. Yea, weird it has been 2 years now.

[@davidjames1684]

How the hell can they miss something that obvious? It sticks out like a sore thumb. If she cannot spot blatant errors like this, think about what other errors she might be miss correcting too.

[@adon8672]

I was questioning my/their maths too but I won't go so far as attacking her. This is definitely careless.

[@davidjames1684]

Something this careless and blatant tells me she doesn't have a clue what she is doing and/or she is sloppy.

[@geekchaser]

900 dollars for 100 amps? I don't think so. Not yet.

[@wadevid]

do more research. they last for 10years, and are lithium so half the weight and their BMS is top notch so it's a set it and leave it thing. i think it's a good price. I mean, hopefully they come down in price but still...not bad.

[@kilogulf1164]

I bought a 48V 200ah battery pack with BMS directly from China for 2500.00 Equivalent to 8 battle born batteries. Works great so far.

[@wadevid]

@@kilogulf1164 how big and heavy is it and Is it under any warranty?

[@j.b.9895]

You can discharge a lithium 100% without harm but a standard AGM battery only 50% before you do damage. Doesn’t matter if you’re gonna charge regularly but if boondocking could make a big difference. Thing I don’t like about them is they won’t take a charge below 30 degrees

[@wadevid]

@@j.b.9895 yeah that's why you keep them inside your camper/rv.

[@DavidTaylor-hk9ir]

What is your batteries temperature functional range,please?

[@j.b.9895]

Won’t accept a charge if less than 30 degrees

[@RVingwiththeMoracas]

Good information

[@tansusavatli7264]

Hello, Could you inform me how can I connect 6 batteries in 2 serials and 4 parallels.

[@AltEStore]

You would not be able to do that. Connecting two batteries in series, where you connect the plus from one to the minus of the other, increases the volts. So you would end up with 24V across those two, at 100Ah. Wiring in parallel, where you connect the plusses together and then the minuses together, increases the amp hours, so parallelling two 100Ah batteries would equal 12V 200Ah. If you have 6 12V batteries, and you are trying to make a 24V 300Ah battery bank, you would wire 3 sets of batteries in series, and then wire those 3 sets together in parallel.

[@AltEStore]

Here is an example of 3 parallel strings of 2 in series, i.imgur.com/JuUta0x.jpg

[@davidjames1684]

Amy is wrong again. Answering the persons question as asked (2 serials (series) and 4 parallels), you could simply wire a single pair in series (call those batteries A and D), and the other 4 batteries would be paralleled to A and D. Call those batteries B, C ,E, and F. so B and C would parallel with A. E and F would parallel with D. The person didn't say load balanced or anything like that. Very bad Amy, you giving out more wrong information.

[@mikedelcaribe7422]

How many cells per battery? Why were cylindrical cells chosen over prismatic cells?

[@AltEStore]

Great questions. I just got this answer from Firefly. There are over 100 cells per battery. Cyclindrical cells are better than prismatic cells. They have a longer cycle life and a better ability to dissipate heat. Cyclindrical cells also are cased in stainless steel and prismatic cells are cased in polypropylene. Polypropylene is somewhat permeable to moisture and this is a death sentence for lithium.

[@DavidTaylor-hk9ir]

Bottom line, how much are your 100 amp hr batteries, please?

[@AltEStore]

You can find details on the product page, www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-batteries/battle-born-lithium-iron-phosphate-lifepo4-batteries-p40844/#BBB100AH12VLFP

[@DavidTaylor-hk9ir]

Thankyou!

[@asusreviews]

Those look like A123 systems 26650?

[@peterxyz3541]

800.00 is up there!

[@Milesco]

And $949, the current price, is higher still. :-(

[@stevespawn1]

Prices are way high- but we smile. Smile in production. Smile smile and smile. Pay alot more- partnership enables us to increase life cycle . 10 years perhaps. Cool. Can a reasonable profit be made with lithium now? If so - very cool. I will be doing lithium with my 5th wheel toyhauler project. Leaning toward tesla or leaf module with at least 600 amp hour module for $1400 ish. Gotta figure bms thats ok though. 6k plus is alot.

[@basspig]

Perhaps if I won the lottery I could afford to buy these batteries and go off grid too. But then again if I won the lottery I could afford to pay my electric bills!

[@davidjames1684]

No thanks on this battery. I can get "standby" used AGMs that are 100Ah with 5 to 7 years of life remaining on them for $54 each ($70 - $16 scrap value when done with them). So for $864, I can get 16 of them for 12V 800Ah (usable down to 50% DoD). I could also arrange them for 24V 400Ah usable or 48V 200Ah usable. A single LiFePO4 battery (vs a bank of 16 AGMs) has limited applications, for example, you cannot run an average house on one 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 battery, but you likely can with the sixteen 12V 100Ah (50Ah usable) AGMs. I'll stick with AGMs because I don't really care much about light weight, in fact, I prefer the heavy ones cuz they are a "free workout" to lift. They have actually made me much stronger moving them around.

[@davidjames1684]

@cavemancamping - Those are valid points but not required for many applications. For example, for emergency backup power with a stationary battery bank (such as in a basement), who cares if they are 80 pounds each or 30 pounds each? Also, if very good used AGMs are available (which they are for me), I can easily beat the price of new lithiums as I described in a previous comment here. I guess it depends on the application but to say that lithium is cheaper than AGM in the longrun is not a totally accurate statement since good used AGMs are out there but where are all the good used lithiums? If the Battle Born 12V 100Ah batteries would drop in price by 50% over the next 2 years, then I would be tempted to purchase 2 of them (for $1000 total) but until then, I will stick with my powerful, reliable, and cheap AGMs.

[@frankie2234]

Why didn't you show more of the manufacturing process.

[@william38022]

Very cool 😎

[@tranerekt1731]

Is this company publicly traded?

[@AltEStore]

I believe it is private

[@mauriceupton1474]

Way not use seperate 2 volt wet LA fork lift batts, they last longer and can handle being abused, the lead plates are thicker?

[@AltEStore]

That is a totally different option that may be better for some people, but not all. The forklift batteries are much much heavier and bigger than lithium. The wet batteries also need regular maintenance, which many people are unable or unwilling to do. The beauty about energy storage nowadays, is there are so many options that can meet different needs.

[@davidjames1684]

How does this guy Sean know that the way he tests them is "harder" than a customer would use them? For example, imagine someone with a 200A alternator that connects one of these batteries, in a highly discharged state, to an idling car that is putting out 125A at 14V. That would be MORE than his 100A test. He is making assumptions and in this case, a bad one.

[@davidjames1684]

@cavemancamping - you don't know what gear I need because you don't know what I already have. My point was how is the BMS going to limit the charge current to 100A? If it already does that, then why in the presentation does Sean say 100A charge rate maximum and 50A max recommended? If the BMS could knock it down to 100A max then he should have said something like "hit it with anything, our BMS will automatically knock it down to a safe amount".

[@jerrypauling7809]

Price is the problem with these batteries,

[@thefaeryman]

love the hat!

[@AltEStore]

My grays were showing ;)

[@thefaeryman]

what is meant by 35 AH (20), what is the 20?

[@dafrasier1]

Not a plant tour, just interviews in the plant. Fake news. BAD. Visit to plant, misleading crap.

[@AltEStore]

It was a visit to the plant. We spoke to people on the manufacturing floor about their products. Exactly as we said. There wasn't much else to show that wasn't proprietary, and therefore not available to the public. Sorry if it didn't meet what you wanted it to be.

[@jamesfalvey77]

That lady is a joke