KiloVault Solar Lithium Batteries

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The KiloVault™ HLX series of solar lithium batteries was designed to be tough enough to handle heavy charging and discharging for solar energy systems. The HLX Series LiFePO4 batteries will safely and efficiently store and deliver the renewable energy you have generated, with no maintenance required.

[@charlesagha5261]

Gosh I love you and the sun, love from Africa, Nigeria!! Followed all your videos and installed about 2600watts here since Power supply here is not as good as in America. I have already started saving for lithium thanks to your previous battle born video and now this, the future is bright, hehe!

[@rockdog2584]

Lordy, how I would LOVE to have a bank of those 3600s! (And solar panels, 2 inverters...and a HOUSE to attach them to!!!)

[@abdulahisheekeye]

Soolar 500w

[@abdulahisheekeye]

Batariga igufilan iisheeg

[@michaelangelasmith2047]

Really enjoyed your videos, thanks for doing these and the calculators 👍🏾👍🏾

[@tlethere]

That blew my mind and I had to get a cup of tea and watch it 3 times lol/. I love an American accent and that was the best tutorial ever!

[@SpenserRoger]

Dude I love this women! The self aware smile really sells her as honest and likeable, and her hair is so curly! Never mind the writing is so direct and in an order that almost makes you yell out... 'Oh, no, stop, this is too much, she just said what? I can't handle all this winning... Over 13 years?! Please stop, I really can't handle it...but I didn't ask, is my brain leaking? Help' She can sell me batteries any time. ;)

[@AltEStore]

Plus my puppy was sleeping on the floor at my feet. How could I not smile?! 9:11

[@SpenserRoger]

altE LOL but wait there's even more! I wouldn't doubt it if you told me you filmed this in one take, and there was only time to film this because there was a table in between shipping and receiving....

[@AltEStore]

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[@ksnax]

Great job on the math! Difficult to justify AGM by a long shot.

[@AltEStore]

I have to admit, I was pleasantly surprised myself when I was writing this. Upfront cost is actually less expensive with the KiloVault than with AGM. I never thought I'd see the day.

[@darrenbenson2606]

@@AltEStore they are still a little expensive. Hope to see the price go down in the next few years. I love lithium batteries and use 4200 18650 cells in my bank. Great info and video 👍.

[@hooflung128]

Fantastic deal actually. I'll be picking one up next year for sure.

[@joepah51]

Excellent explanation of all the advantages of LiFe over AGM .. I assume it would apply to all similar LiFe battery packs. It would be great if you could compare YOUR brand of lithium batteries to the competition, which are about 20% less expensive.

[@mmtruckingllc657]

Awesome video, great information, lithium is the future, lead acid is old technology

[@joepah51]

Seems like a great deal, well priced.

[@ynAMe6Aj]

You should reference the review on DYI Solar on these. It is very positive.

[@HyperJoe]

Lithium Phosphate such a rare Mineral that it demands such a high value? As someone interested in Solar, the cost of Batteries alone at $1.3K+ each is pretty much a Deal breaker unless You've recently won the Lottery. Is Lithium Titanate something that might be considered? I'm in the learning stages, so pros and cons of all types are being considered. What is the most economical and why? >8-I

[@riiwind]

Great video very imformative I would buy these batteries!

[@PSPSMITH2022]

57.6 kWh capacity of 16 x 3600 HLX 12V - V3 will cost $38,320 BEFORE shipping fees and taxes. I've seen various DIY power wall builds that could reach this same kWh capacity for less than a quarter of that expense. Nothing against the quality of these batteries, but the cost seems excessive for what they produce.

[@dennisboyle232]

Sounds great! Didn't quite understand with BMS built-in sounds like you were saying a charge controller was not needed, a saving of maybe $500???

[@AltEStore]

No, a charge controller is still needed. But the BMS provides an extra level of protection.

[@Maxid1]

I've got a small 86w panel charging 2 lead acid batteries. My future plan is to replace them with lithium. Will I need higher solar input? There's not a lot of room on the roof but I might be able to replace with a larger panel if adding a second doesn't work.

[@AltEStore]

That panel probably generates about 300Wh at the most in the summer. These have storage for 1800Wh. So you would be using less than 20% of it's capacity. Probably not worth the investment. I suggest a bigger panel and a smaller battery.

[@DwayneOsbourne360]

I build and love lithium batteries. However, we should always give accurate information. "depth of discharge" (DOD) on any type of battery will do damage. Lithium DOD is 90-95% of capacity but never 100%. If designed correctly the BMS will never let you drain to 100%. So sure you an drain them as far as the BMS let you, but you should never go 100%. Great video.

[@jasonw8497]

I'm seeing a lot of great batteries coming to market but I'm not seeing any plug and play software where I can control them. I want to install batteries to handle 5 hours of high demand charge during the day (without solar) So charge at night then discharge just during demand hours during the afternoon

[@jimand9532]

What is best battery for cold weather ..... Mountains in Northern Colorado

[@tigeroll]

Wow! good information. I really don't know why led acid batteries are even manufactured any more? The lithiums are so much more economical over the life of the batteries. It seems they continue lower in price every year too.

[@mikemead2315]

The one thing that was not covered is their intolerance to cold. Usage cutoff -4 F. Charging cutoff 32 F. Cold charging is different. I don’t know if the battery adjusts itself, or if it is dependent on a smart enough charge controller.

[@joepah51]

Should be able to store lithium batteries in a living space that remains above freezing.

[@mikemead2315]

Joe Pah, True. The thing is it is an issue people don’t think about when installing themselves, and it needs special different consideration. Should be in the decision process.

[@AltEStore]

Pretty much all batteries don't like being charged in the cold, including lead acid. We have a new version of the lithium battery that has a built in heater. If it gets below 32F, the charging power gets redirected to the heater, and will warm the battery up. Once the battery is warm enough, it will allow the charging current through to charge up the battery. Powering a load in the cold is fine and allowed.

[@kbob8424]

Can these be used for marine use? Assuming they are mounted properly and taken care of accordingly.

[@AltEStore]

Yes, they are great for marine use.

[@mikemead2315]

The one thing I would like to see is the exact charge controller used and settings to get the advertised maximum amount of cycles. I am very worried that a “compatible” or “should work” charge controller lithium implementation knocks off years off of the life, and 5-7 years from now is too late to find out that a different CC would have saved me money.

[@RandyRandersonthefamous]

from what I read they have a BMS built in, so it doesn't really matter.

[@AltEStore]

Check out the documents tab, we have a lot of charge controller specific settings we have tested. www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-batteries/kilovault-lithium-solar-battery-p41011/#KLV1800HLXV3 .

[@lightwavelibrary]

great video! great presentation Amy!!

[@posteroonie]

Does "designed specifically for residential" mean that it is not a good choice for RV's? Maybe because of the vibration?

[@AltEStore]

It's actually a great choice for RVs as well. By residential, we meant that it won't scale up to commercial or utility sizes.

[@charlesagha5261]

lol, just noticed that the puppy couldn't make the final cut :-(

[@AltEStore]

She's on briefly at the end, after the closing. She was too squirmy to last the whole time, but helped me rehearse. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p56vYaOdhcmthqcm11s

[@troystutsman1400]

altE The Puppy is too Cute...!

[@fredjacobs1827]

Would these batteries work on a overlanding truck?

[@poornimarai6130]

Do you make solar powered generators? These batteries are robust .

[@HomesteadEngineering]

That sounds pretty good. I would like to how they compare to the Trojan L16RE-B

[@HomesteadEngineering]

OK, I did the comparison math for the Trojan L16RE-B's and here is what I found: 1. Life: The KiloVault's last 5000 cycles (13.7 years). So to get apples to apples we need the Trojans to last 13.7 years. That means we can only discharge the Trojans to 80% SOC or 20% Depth of discharge (gets you 4800 cycles, 13.2 years). 2. Daily Power: KiloVault 1800=23kWh/day, KiloVault 3600=46kWh/day and Trojan L16RE-B=7kWh/day. 3. Price: KiloVault 1800=$20,748, KiloVault 3600=$36,464 and Trojan L16RE-B=$5,000 Summary: $20,748 gets you 23 kWh/day $36,464 gets you 46 kWh/day $5,000 gets you 7 kWh/day So, the real question is: how many kWh do you need to get through the night? I have been using 7-9 kWh/night and I run a window AC all night long. You can see my history here: data.magnumenergy.com/MW5454/ However, If you need more than that, I would suggest the following: Save the $30,000 and spend another $2,000 on 6 more 300 Watt panels and a another (PT-100) charge controller. Face three of the panels to the east and three to the west. That will stretch out your solar day and you will need less batteries. What do ya think Amy?

[@AltEStore]

David, you are my kind of a geek :) OK, I'm in. So based on your numbers, I'm guessing the size of your proposed battery banks are 48V, 4 strings of 4 of the KiloVaults (16 total) and 2 strings of 8 L-16 (16 total). So I'm going to turn it around using your 16 L-16's at 20% giving you 8.5kWh a day. To get that much with the KiloVaults, 4 KiloVault 3600s will get you more than you need with 11.5kWh for $9k. 4 of the KiloVault 1800 will be a little below your needs at 5.7kWh for about the same price as the L-16s. So the upfront costs with the lithiums are a little more than flooded, as expected, since flooded is so much less expensive than AGM as well. But not as dramatic of a difference as it used to be. Who would have known that batteries could be the exciting new thing?!

[@HomesteadEngineering]

Thats right Amy, I did not specify, but you guessed it right on (2 strings of 8 L-16, 16 total). I think the lithium prices will continue to drop much faster than the lead acid as the lead acid have been around for so long already. Imagine what the lithium prices will be in 12ish years when I have to replace my current batteries. I'll make a prediction: in the year 2030, the 4 KiloVolt 3600s giving us 11.5kWh will run $3,000. :) The future belongs to renewable energy!

[@warrenharkey937]

I have a 24 volt off grid system consisting of 8 L16's charge by a 1.2kw solar system and a mppt charge controller. They have a minimal discharge ( 1kwh/day fridge and led lighting) every day and still last around 6 years. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. They also need to be filled every month or less with distilled water. They weigh around 100# each and must be continually monitored for corrosion. Still waiting for the price to come down a bit tho.

[@HomesteadEngineering]

Warren, Are you saying that you only discharged your bank 1 kWh/cycle and you had to replace them after 6 years? Yikes! That sounds pretty bad. I'm sure there are a lot of factors that go into it like: how are they charged, how are they stored, at what temperature, how often are they equalized and so on. I wonder if they should be drawn down to 50% SOC once in a while? Anyone else have data on there actual life of the batteries? I'm really hoping to get at least 10 years!

[@ernieroberts56]

Would the small one be compatible with a solar system is a camper/rv?

[@3DLL.]

yep you got the cash lol there not cheap all they are inside is the 18650 batteries lol

[@AltEStore]

It sure would. You'd have 1440Wh of available energy at 80% DoD. That's enough to run a small fridge, a laptop, and some lights.

[@flyingdutch9818]

Watch from 5:00... outlines the advantage in cost of LiPO4. Is approx 40% of AGM, is lighter (RV a factor), charges faster (need less sun).

[@joeshmoe781]

Thanks for this. I have a question. Let's say my wife and I watch tv for 3 hours a night. That's 1200 watts. My fridge runs all night that's another 1200 watts. Various lights on and off for 6 hours a night. Let's call that another 200-300 watts. What size battery do you think I'd need? I know the math too, I can do all that. What I don't have is real life experience and numbers and reality don't always compute.

[@AltEStore]

Joe Shmoe first step is to get 5he loads list right. Watts x hours = watt hours (Wh). So I think you are over estimating the TV watts, 1200 watt hours would be a tremendous TV. I suggest getting a Kill A Watt meter to get accurate numbers. Once you have your uotal watt hours, the formula we use is (Wh / inverter efficiency ( guess 0.9) x days without sun x temperature compensation (less that 80F) 1.19 is a good start / depth of discharge (.8 for lithium, .5 for lead acid) / battery bank voltage = battery bank amp hours (Ah).

[@ddd228]

@@AltEStore Yes,the Kill A watt meters are good. I have 5 of them.

[@lengthOFpole]

Lithium batteries also charge in a much shorter amount of time and do not require a 100% charge in the same way that a lead acid will to ensure a long life. Lithium is much better on solar because a lead acid battery system should take up to 12 hours to achieve a full charge, where a lithium system would be less than half the time. Meaning that a 6 hour solar window is much better suited to charging lithium batteries than lead acid. you can also use a smaller solar array to charge them up because you do not require a morning and an evening array like you would need for lead acid. But the upfront cost is very high for many of the people looking into off grid energy because those people have very unreal expectations. I frankly would either go with a lead acid forklift battery, preferable used at close to scrap value, or a new forklift battery. Until the [price of the lithium battery's are reduced to %50 of what they are now. $700 for an 1800wh battery is far more agreeable. bcause $14,000 for an 18kwh bank is far to high for the people whom 18kwh will be enough. but $14,000 for a 36kwh bank is far more realistic. With gas appliances and a couple pv direct systems like hot water and a dc freezer. That cost is must easier to bear as 36kwh is enough to limit the changes in lifestyle need for off grid living. $50,000 total install vs having utilities run out to a property at no less than $15,000 those numbers star to make far more sense. If you are doing a large high$ install atm though the lithium batteries are the way to go. Just for their return on investment since most people are estimating 10-12 years return on their solar which is often incorrect. especially if you are spending 3x$5000 in lead acid batteries over that time. For small scale the best advantage is that you can fully charge the lithium cells in a shorter time meaning you can size your solar system accordingly and buy less panels and move the saved money into the cost of the batteries to have no maintenance longer lasting ones. They do get hot though so you may not need to vent them, but airflow or a water cooling block would be useful Iron water/ nickle iron batteries are also an interesting product in that price range.

[@JoshuaBeAwesome]

I was looking at these two & leaning toward the 3600; but I noticed the spec sheet says "A charge rate of 100A is recommended, ..." our system right now only uses 1 - 1.3kw a day and is charged with 2 Rover 40A chargers each with 400w of panels (current house site while we build is really limited by trees so I had to split the system to grab us more sun throughout the day in case of clouds). Am I understanding that the 40 amp charge controllers would be incredibly sub-par for charging one of these lithium or just being worried unnecessarily. Thanks

[@COO698]

Can anyone tell me which is better of this 2 batteries. Pylontech VS KiloVaul. The Pylon Technology lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4 or LFP) batteries were some of the first modular lithium based batteries available which enclosed both the lithium cells and battery management/control system in a simple rack mounted unit. The first Extra2000 has now been replaced by the US2000B and Phantom-S series (pictured) which has a more aesthetic enclosure and more robust battery cable connections. Available in the same standard size 2.4kWh modules (previously with a touch screen interface) allows easy setup and monitoring together with connections for multiple units in parallel. Now also available in high voltage modules for commercial applications. The pylontech battery modules are often re-branded and used by several large solar manufactures and distributors including SolaX, Canadian Solar and Redback Technologies. Lithium ferrous phosphate (LFP) is generally considered the most stable of all the lithium battery chemistries especially at elevated temperatures above 40 degC (common in Australia) which is highlighted by the high battery cut-off temperature of 50 degC. Cycle life is also quite high at a claimed 6,000 cycles at 80% depth of discharge, although it is unknown what the end of life (EOL) retained capacity is after this number of cycles? The warranty is for 5 years and specifies 80% EOL capacity or 70% EOL capacity with the extented 7 year warranty. Also the previous warranty states that not more than 360 cycles per year. Based on this the new battery performance will remain the same and we can assume 3,000 cycles at 80% DOD. The battery module operates at the nominal voltage of 48V and now has a higher peak power output of 5kW (previous model was 2.2kW) over a short discharge duration of 60 sec. The updated US2000B battery retails at the same price as the previous Extra2000. 1.92kWh (80%) usable for 3000 cycles to 70% retained capacity (EOL) Power output - Continuous @ 48V = 2.4kW, Max Peak 4.8kW (1 min) Round trip efficiency = 92% - tested Extra2000 = US$1200 (AU$1350) - Cost per usable kWh = US$520 US2000B - Warranty: 7 years (after online registration)

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Christian Otero the cheaper battery...

[@TheTinMan3D]

Great stuff. Too expensive right now. I'll wait a few years until I need to replace my AGM...

[@aa-vb9tj]

Kirk Shadel what is an agm?

[@AltEStore]

Absorbent Glass Matt (AGM), also known as sealed lead acid batteries.

[@WillProwse]

It is not too expensive right now. Its cheaper than AGM by far. Did you watch the video?

[@PandorasBox2]

awesome just wish it were bit less pricy

[@bilalmaassarani4074]

warranty must be longer .. to let customers get more sure to buy it .. for me it is very nice to here about it .. but you can give more warranty time .. cause it will live more than that

[@luly2323]

Kilovault is certainly not drop-ins for AGMs or lead acid. First all batteries in bank must be at the same charge before turning on. Second these come with BMS( battery management system) ......this can be quite trouble some....shuts down batteries once something changes which you cannot control or know!

[@joepah51]

BMS does seem to be teh weak point.. It should be a serviceable component IMO

[@TwstedTV]

I am wondering what is better 1. - Skeleton Ultra Hi Capacity Capacitors 2. - LifePO4 Batteries 3. - Or a combination of both. Hmmmmm........

[@charlesagha5261]

That's a nice battery cute mama!

[@aarontsur]

wow, this is a great option for my project, how would the 3600 compare to 3 Battle Born batteries? less wiring, a bit smaller, a bit lighter, less $$$, but what am i missing?

[@AltEStore]

Good summary. The KiloVaults also can handle higher current charging and discharging.

[@ralph9987]

@@AltEStore price please?

[@AltEStore]

@@ralph9987 Click on the product page to get the latest pricing and options. www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-batteries/kilovault-lithium-solar-battery-p41011/#KLV1800HLXV3

[@andreblanchard8569]

Is there any way to access cell voltage info? From the installation instructions, separately charge each battery to between 14.0 and 14.1 volts and all the same, I assume there is some kind of top balancing going on. If I program the charge controller to a lower voltage when in use (for higher cycle life) will the batteries/cells stay balanced? What are the charge and discharge voltages to get the 5000 cycles?

[@AltEStore]

The cell voltage can be seen on the Bluetooth app. The BMS does keep the cells balanced. To get 5000 cycles, around 60% depth of discharge is recommended.

[@Andy-df5fj]

Using the 25% discharge evel for the AGM wasn't a fair comparison. 50% is the standard.

[@mikemead2315]

Andy, not only that but a 25%DOD on my $600 224 AH AGM increases longevity to 6.3 years. Well....Actually 25% or 50% works out to about the same for me: 50% $600 x 4replacements, or 25% but twice as many to get the same AH and replaced twice. Both around $2400. Still her $1770 is a bit steep.

[@LibertyDIY]

But 50% wouldnt even remotely compare in terms of cycles to the lithium so if anything the comparison would have to be even less like 10%

[@calebmjw5675]

you can buy these same 12v 300AH batteries on alibaba for 465 dollars... Id suggest going that route considering thats where most of these manufacturing companies are getting theirs...

[@michalob21]

I must have one.. when will they be back in stock??

[@thefaeryman]

how do these compare to battle born batteries?

[@davidbagley1783]

Thank you

[@asf130thecompany7]

I have one question: if I need bigger battry bank is it possible to make 2 seperate sets and configure them in series? I know its odd question, but we have farmer setup and need higher outputs due to welding etc.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Lead acid are overpriced for what they are, plus they have never came down in price, that is why they will die out of existence... I would have to get three of the 3.6 kwh, for starters...but...at that price I would have to go with Tesla, to be honest with you....he's selling 24 kwh plus inverter/charger....

[@alibertarian3969]

Battery is not LiFePO4 in Tesla. They use the cheaper and dangerous Cobalt chemistry.

[@jinmapower6251]

@@alibertarian3969 NCA in Tesla, not LiFePO4

[@ralph9987]

@@renindy no need, do the maths

[@flyingdutch9818]

You dont(?) mention whether they have a built-in BMS. What balances the cells? Regardless you WILL need a specific charger, at least one where you can adjust then top/lower charge/discharge rates

[@AltEStore]

At 4:40 we talk about the built-in BMS. It is per battery, not for the whole battery bank. You can use AGM settings on a standard charger, but if you have the ability to custom set the charger, then the best is for 14V high voltage shutoff and 12V low voltage shutdown. Absorb time can be set short, around 5 minutes. Never equalize lithium batteries.

[@dirtdevil70]

Can you explain exactly what a “cycle” is? I get that going to 80% DOD is considered a “cycle” . What if you only go to 40%? Is that considered half a cycle?..

[@allanbrogdon7453]

A cycle is a charge and discharge and she recommended 80%discharge.

[@luly2323]

I have 4. - 1800 ,magnum 444pae,2 midnite solar controllers and 21 panels!

[@GroovyVideo2]

lead batteries = last century technology

[@dennisboyle232]

Will they work with new skybox inverter?

[@peterholman6071]

You briefly mentioned that the lifepo4 batteries could not be used or discharged below freezing. Do the batteries then need to put in heat traced boxes in the winter time? That could be expensive. Do you have such boxes?

[@AltEStore]

It's the same with most lead acid batteries. Since batteries heat up when they are charged, if you put them in an insulated box in the winter, it will help it stay warmer. Also use a charge controller with a temperature sensor. Just be sure to remove the insulation in the summer, batteries don't like to be too hot either.

[@toysareforboys1]

Most charge controllers with CC/CV charging have remote temperature sensors you can put in one of the battery banks so it won't try and charge/discharge it when it's very cold.

[@bobratliff4402]

Don't forget, these batteries do not outgas like LA batteries. If they are in the residence, just make sure you storage room is heated. Problem solved.

[@flat5sharp11]

@@AltEStore "It's the same with most lead acid batteries" Incorrect hand waving. "When it comes to recharging lithium-ion batteries, however, there’s one hard and fast rule: *to prevent irreversible damage to the battery, don’t charge them when the temperature falls below freezing (0°C or 32°F)"* SLA Lead Acid can be charged at temps down to - 20C (0F) or even less. relionbattery.com/blog/lithium-battery-cold-weather LiFEPo4 tech is good, but it's important not to gloss over the disadvantages.

[@luly2323]

Do you know anyone using these batteries? I have a bank of 4--18 kw and having problems making them work with magazine 440/2 midnite solar controllers and 21 panels.

[@zamrangill9663]

Hello, I wanted to Know is Kilovault any Particular Company or it is only available with Alte store?

[@AltEStore]

These batteries are made specifically for us at the altE Store.

[@cindercinnamon2204]

How many batteries do I need for a 7-8 kw system? I need 24 300 watt solar panels and a charge controller that can handle 300 amps, i will be using 20000 watts a day

[@AltEStore]

Sorry for the delay, I wasn't getting notification of these comments. For 7-8kW of solar, you would likely use 3 charge controllers that are able to communicate with each other to coordinate the charging. Using 20kWh a day, if you figure 3 days of autonomy (without sun), and 80% depth of discharge, you would need about 20 of the 3600HLX batteries. That's a big battery bank. I suggest the first thing you do is figure how to get your energy usage down before trying to go off grid. Running off batteries is a whole different way of life than just buying as much power as you need from the grid.

[@Elikim777]

Sounds like a great product!

[@joebleed]

Quick google search seems to indicate that these may be made specially for altE, Do you get them manufactured for your company only? I ask because i was hoping to find some info on the cells used inside and how they're setup. Could you do a video about the inside? You also seem to have a monitoring app for the batteries, I don't remember that being mentioned. Or is that something completely different? You mention no special charger needed and can be used as a drop in replacement for lead acid batteries. Any benefit or disadvantage to having a charge controller that is compatible with LiFePO4? Thank you for the video.

[@AltEStore]

Good research. Yes, the batteries are made for us. I don't have many details of the guts, but I can ask. The app is available for apple and droid, but it is a new app still being tested, so we haven't been promoting it. But it is available, and we'd love feedback. The built-in BMS handles a lot of the charging restrictions, so while a lithium charger couldn't hurt, it isn't needed.

[@michalob21]

Lol no offense but I doubt they want you looking at the internals. Dumb to even ask imo

[@joebleed]

~LOL no offense but it's pretty dumb to comment such a comment~ I bet your the type of person that supports apple, tesla, john deere, and others in their efforts to prevent people from repairing their own devices aren't you?

[@michalob21]

joebleed no.. I’m a realist. This is America. These people rely on the profits they get for their product to live a successful life. This is not a product meant to be repaired by the home user. It’s a fucking complicated battery with a specialized BMs and hardcore chemistry. And lol. Tesla is revolutionizing the auto industry. The reason you can take apart a car is because there is millions and millions of jobs dependent on the infrastructure of fixing a car.. there is no other companies offering drop in replacement motors for a Tesla. And trust me I’ve driven a Tesla for six months and it is the sickest car on the planet. If you ever drive one you will instantly be sold as well. Trust me. Apple is sorta the same way. Specialized and not really meant to be worked on by the home user because there is no economy built around it. Plus why complain about a product when there are shitty cars and PCs to use if you are a home user.. and holy shit, if you want to fuck around with designing and building batteries with bms’s and other stuff just buy 18650s and a bms and build one. And trust me I would like access to company secrets just like you but this is fucking America not China, and as we all know company’s have to make money and they won’t do that by exposing their detailed engineering drawings with you. Lol hilarious that you’d even think it’s an option imho..

[@michalob21]

I do regret being rude and saying it was a dumb question, and for that I apologize.. I’m not normally one to start a fight in the comments section. Just wanted to set you straight a little lol, but again I regret saying things like dumb and stuff.. sorry about that.

[@abdulahisheekeye]

Soolar baanal 500w Meeqo batari igufilan iyo lambar ka jeeg kontarol 12v 24v Dc

[@steverivera7270]

do you have them in Puerto Rico or do you have to ship them here?

[@AltEStore]

We have both sizes in stock in PR. www.altestore.com/store/puerto-rico-solar-products/kilovault-lithium-solar-battery-puerto-rico-p41093/#PR-KLV1800HLX

[@steverivera7270]

yes thank you i saw that you have them

[@rodolfojunio4849]

Ano ano mga pwede appliances mapaandar ni Yan

[@thefaeryman]

thanks for the info, wish all is well

[@GregVirgoe]

I would love to use these on my Mercedes Sprinter conversion. Would you be up for a collaboration video?

[@kpkaplan6781]

When can we expect to see these in Europe ?

[@David-rx2to]

"Specifically designed for residential use"...is there any reason these batteries can't be used in a mobile situation...like an RV?

[@ekoms108]

Ofc u can use it an RV

[@arper2000]

No venting so yes you can my good sir.....

[@luly2323]

How do you charge these? Any charge controllers eg midnite solar classic? And inverter magna sine( ms-pae)

[@AltEStore]

Any charger that can charge AGM batteries can be used. It is better if you have the ability to customize the charging profile, but any AGM charger can be used.

[@mikemead2315]

altE, (Great solar training videos!). That is one of the big questions: what is the difference in expected battery cycles per charge controller settings or even their implementation? If custom is better, how much better? 350 cycles? 1000 cycles? I am sure you are correct that any AGM charger will work, but its main selling point is longevity, and the difference in longevity per legitimate charge controller setup is unclear.

[@leotheevinci]

Imagine the very latest technology applied to these batteries like Toshiba's SCiB or Graphene

[@bobsusie1231]

DO you have local distributors in every state?

[@AltEStore]

We have a warehouse in Massachusetts and Puerto Rico. We can ship everywhere else.

[@tirivaenim]

Distributor or price delivered in Zimbabwe for 48volt x 9.6KwH system?

[@Gratefulwon]

Are these not acceptable for RV use?

[@AltEStore]

They are perfect for RVs.

[@mikemead2315]

creepycharly, if they are kept warm. Cant freeze. Cant charge cold.

[@luly2323]

Hi Amy do you know of anyone using kilovault batteries? I am not able to get my bank of 4 -1800 s to work? There does not seem to be anyone using them on KZbin ......I am beginning to wonder.......

[@AltEStore]

Give us a call at 877-878-4060 x205 for John. There are a few tricks to get started, especially making sure they are all charged up to the same voltage to start.

[@Solardepotng]

Great battery, can i add more batteries at any point in time?

[@AltEStore]

Yes, as long as they are the same model. The on-board BMS will help prevent the old batteries from pulling down the new ones.

[@kevin3434343434]

thumbs up for the vizsla pup!

[@steverivera7270]

for a 48 volt battery bank how much watts for the 1,8kwh and 3.6kwh

[@AltEStore]

Are you asking how many watts of solar for the batteries? If so, it's hard to really say, it would be based on your loads. But in general, for a 48V system you would have 4 in series. That's 7200Wh or the 1800 and 14.4kWh for the 3600. If you are planing on 80% DoD after 2 days of autonomy without sun, that's using 2880Wh a day, which would need to be replaced each day. If we figure 5.5 sun hours for PR, that's 2880Wh / 5.5 sun hours / .65 losses = 805W, So maybe 3 of the SolarWorld 300W panel in series for 900W. However, they can take much more than that, if you figure a C/2 charge rate, that's 75A @ 48V = 3600W. So you can see it's a tricky question to answer. Somewhere between 900W and 3600W.

[@posteroonie]

Would these batteries do just as well used on their side as upright? Thanks much.

[@zachreyhelmberger894]

Does anyone have programming parameters for the Midnite Solar Classic 150? We have two 3600HLX's in parallel for a 12V system but we are not sure how to program the Midnite Solar Classic 150 to properly charge them.

[@AltEStore]

We've got a new manual for the KiloVaults. www.altestore.com/static/datafiles/Others/KiloVault_Manual_20181018-3.pdf Charging specs are on page 9. 14.1V for both Bulk and Absorption, 13.8V for float. No Equalization.

[@vansamol1654]

how about LTO?

[@geraldjirau7013]

Oh yes for a boat!

[@acarius69]

who knew that 3 years later the price would be double

[@stanleyman4100]

Great battery

[@rontech34]

she needs to do something with that crazy hair

[@AltEStore]

Better? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqa6h2x_mbZ9atk

[@superformOG]

Do you sell these in europe?

[@AltEStore]

We don't currently have a European distributor, so would have to ship from the US. That may make the battery too expensive.

[@stiffmeister0hYeah]

Has anyone used these batteries yet? I'm about to pull the trigger on them for my off grid home in Cabo.

[@AltEStore]

We've been successfully selling them for a while. Received very good feedback from customers.

[@laserboy1504]

I have purchased one and installed it in July... had to replace it because the BMS was "too sensitive"... their words... the replacement battery a V3 is not as good as the original... again BMS issue...

[@lkhbhydroponic6858]

How much is the cost.?

[@AltEStore]

lkhanaajav batbaatar www.altestore.com/store/deep-cycle-batteries/lithium-batteries/kilovault-lithium-solar-battery-p41011/#KLV1800HLX

[@jeffnoland2196]

Amy, I have learned so much from your videos! BUT I have questions. I have a Schneider XW-MPPT60-150 Charge Controller, 60A, 150VDC, 12/24/48VDC, built in GFI, White, RNW86510301.Magnum, RD2824 inverter, 2800W, 120VAC, 60Hz, 30A transfer, 24VDC, Modified Sine, off grid, 80A charger, with BTS, RD28245 Canadian Solar, 290W PV modules, T4, PV wire, 40mm Black Frame on White Backsheet, BOW, 60 cell Mono, 15A Fuse, 1000VDC, 5BB, 267.3W PTC, CS6K-290MI have a place in NORTHERN Minnesota where we get roughly 2.2 hours during the winter. I need to have 3 days of battery time. I've used your calculator, numerous times and I really only have a few 60W lights and a TV, but would like to keep my phone charged and maybe run a couple power tools on a very limited basis. I love the thought of the Kilovault battery and I would keep in under ground to maintain the proper temperature. The most power I would use is 1200W/day. Should I buy the 1800 or 3600 kilovault, and how many? I thought 2 of the 1800 would be fine but am looking for your expert advice!!You're awesome and I hope you can give me some guidance. I bought all the other parts before I saw the AltE videos or I would have bought everything from you.Thank youBob

[@AltEStore]

I need a better idea of your loads and what you have. How many 290W panels do you have? You said you have a few 60W lights, can you change them to LED? That would cut your Wh dramatically. How many watts or amps does your TV use, and how many hours a day is it on? With that info, I should be able to help you out.

[@jeffnoland2196]

I saw in my comment that the 5 I listed for the panels ran into the model number!! I have 5 panels. I am planning to put in LED lights, and that was based on one of your videos.

[@jeffnoland2196]

I missed the TV answer. It uses 325 watts

[@AltEStore]

Aha. Hmmm, so how are they being wired with an uneven number? All in parallel? You can't have more than 3 in series, and you need to have the same number in each string. I believe those are 60 cell panels, so their voltage is a little low for charging a 24V battery bank in the summer when it is hot, so parallel isn't the best option. Since it doesn't get too hot there, you might be ok with them in parallel. So, 290W x 5 = 1450W / 24V battery bank = 60A into the battery bank. You could use 2 of the 1800 KiloVaults with that input, although it would be the fastest charge rate acceptable. As far as storage capacity, 1450W of solar x 2.2 sun hours x .65 system losses = 2073Wh energy generated in the winter, 7278Wh in the summer (5.4 sun hours). 7278Wh / 24V = 303Ah generated. So that tells me you could use the 3600 (300Ah) KiloVault to store all of the energy you make in the summer. Now it usually makes sense to size the battery bank based on your loads. 325W seems like a tremendous amount for a tv. Either it is the biggest tv you've ever seen, or it is a very old tube tv that creates enough heat to heat the house. Either way, just like the lights, it may be more cost effective to get a newer tv than to buy batteries to store enough energy to power it.

[@jeffnoland2196]

I wish I had found your videos BEFORE I ordered the other components! I was told that I could wire them in series or parallel, but based on your info, I have to wire them in parallel.I had to pull the TV data from a 50" flat screen as I don't have access to the 20" that is at the off grid property. One 3600 would do the trick, correct?I currently only use the property 4 times a year for roughly a week at a time as I live in Ca, however, I plan on being there near full time within the next 5 years.I very much appreciate all your help and I can't tell you how many people I have referred to your site!!Thank youBob

[@incman78]

I could use that 3600 on my car stereo.

[@aa-vb9tj]

incman78 how would you do that?

[@deanwilliams93]

Should that much power be needed for an auto audio system, there is the distinct possibility you'll bust a weld or shatter glass but more likely induce atrial-fibrillation.

[@PhysicsViolator]

A cheaper way is to just buy a lot of small life po 4 batteries , a bms and build your own powerwall..

[@PhysicsViolator]

dont compare building an entire home to a fucking powerwall with 100 batteries and if you connect these large batteries she is showing on her video also needs a BMS smartass you *GTFO*@Mykel Hardin

[@Nemo_IRL]

What would be an example of a smaller battery? I don't have $1k to toss out all at once but I could slowly build a power wall if you could add batteries.

[@GregInATX]

I like it but it costs too much. Renogy has a 170ah lithium battery on Amazon for 1400.00 with free shipping. more bang less buck..

[@whomarjb]

They cost almost exactly the same per amp hour, the renogy is a little bit more $

[@ionut8091]

cool

[@janaebert3059]

Watt the faq. Impressive.

[@gary5831]

At $1300 per battery they better make coffee as well.

[@thomashardin911]

This shipping is expensive, unlike what she said in the video!

[@AltEStore]

Less expensive than lead.

[@jameselliott9397]

You say they will last 13 years, but give a 3 year warranty.... hmmm

[@joepah51]

They have no control how the customer will abuse the battery..

[@mikemead2315]

Energy Nut, Yes. Exactly. It is a good deal IF nothing goes wrong, but it is a horrible deal if it fails prematurely. Bad solder joint on the electronics - who/if fixes it. Certain charge controller lithium implementation end up cutting off a few years - not like we have friends that have had these for 13 years. In the next 13 years will something else replace lithium. Will I drop it for full cost replacement. I am waiting one more AGM cycle. Should have some better longevity/failure info by then. (And not $1770 for really good AGM too!)

[@lysol7204]

If they are a drop in replacement for Lead acid, Could i ADD these in parallel to my existing Lead acid Bank?

[@AltEStore]

You should not mix sizes or types of batteries. Especially if some can be discharged to 80% and others 50%. This could case uneven charging/discharging, shortening the life of the batteries.

[@ddd228]

@@AltEStore Good answer. Better to run a separate system.

[@zakiadam3717]

Tesla powerwall 2 is 60% cheaper then this battery alone.

[@luly2323]

One of my battery in the bank is now heating up .....for no apparent reason!

[@Marginal391]

Ahead of the time Thank you.

[@ChristopherPetersonR2d2]

Tesla power wall is your real competitor

[@alibertarian3969]

Battery is not LiFePO4 in Tesla. They use the cheaper and dangerous Cobalt chemistry.

[@dl4111]

Only 300amp hours for $2300? Yikes. I'll stay with the Trojan 6v batts @ 435 ah. For $300.

[@AltEStore]

D L but you need 2 of them for 12V, so that's $600. You can only use 1/4 of their energy daily, so that's 6 for $1800. Hmmmm, that's getting pretty close. Then there's the fact that there is no maintenance and they are sealed, so no gassing. That's worth extra money to many people.

[@zachreyhelmberger894]

But don't forget, the 3600HLX can deliver about 5,000 cycles at 80% DOD (240AH available at 80% DOD), while the Trojan L16H-AC can only deliver about 1,200 cycles at only 50% DOD. So you would need to buy about 4 sets of Trojans to last as long as one set of 3600HLX. So two L16s for $600 (but only 218 AH available at 50% DOD) times 4 sets to match the number of cycles of the 3600HLX is $2,400. So the price is very competitive when you factor in cycle life. Plus it only weighs 84lbs and it has a cool bluetooth interface to get State of Charge info right on your phone, plus all of the safety features of the BMS!

[@ddd228]

@@zachreyhelmberger894 Apples and oranges.

[@majidmajid1848]

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