Visual Studio 2022 for ARM is a BANGER! | On M1 Max MacBook Pro

[@AZisk]

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[@talktomenowxbmc]

Recently I switched my development environment from Windows VM running on my Linux server to MacBook Pro M1 14’ using Parallels & Visual Studio for ARM. The difference is significant. I’m more productive. Compiling time is ridiculously short. There’s no comparison even with Visual Studio running on native Windows PC. Amazing.

[@MichaelSt]

Do you know if this works well for desktop development with C++ VS projects, cross compiling to x86? And how about running the executable for testing/debugging? I have an old online game I’m maintaining and curios if I could get away with using a MacBook.

[@remigoldbach9608]

ARM seems to have a great future ! Thanks for covering this subject 👍🏻

[@remigoldbach9608]

Those music jokes btw 😂

[@andrejbartulin]

We just need better low level documentation and experience

[@phireball1]

This did not age well...

[@N....]

I've tested the ARM64 preview of VS2022 at work with our codebase which uses dozens C++ of projects built from source, and it works surprisingly well, no obvious issues. The only oddity so far is that targeting 32-bit ARM only has remote debugging as an option instead of local debugging, but I'm sure they'll fix that. Though, 32-bit ARM isn't a particularly important target anyway, and we aren't using it. 6:58 probably because the x64 version of VS by default only installs x86 and x64 build tools but not any of the ARM build tools, whereas the ARM64 version of visual studio installs x86, x64, and ARM64 build tools by default. If you want 32-bit ARM and/or ARM64EC, you still have to go in manually to add those.

[@raafatabualazm3549]

It is bigger because ARM is RISC architecture while x86 is CISC. CISC have instructions that will translate to multiple RISC instructions. More instructions per program means bigger size.

[@stal1963]

That is awesome. I love developing with VS on Macs and Windows-PCs.

[@playerone6434]

Visual Studio for Mac now supports ARM as well.

[@b1zzler]

I'm a big fan of VS 2022 on Windows 11, cool to see it working well on ARM in MacOS Parallels 👍

[@wykkedwyrm]

Great video, thanks. One interesting thing I found out. If you use the Visual Studio built-in terminal (right-click project > Open in Terminal), navigate to the output directory and run it from there it actually runs faster 2.8 seconds vs 3.5 seconds. Not sure why or if it would be the same for you but...

[@TheDenno91]

Oh boy, great video. Will download tomorrow ❤️

[@azaram5571]

Finally! I’ve been holding off buying a new MacBook for years because of this. Still a bit nervous, but this gives me more faith that MS is serious about it. Especially if they’re doing their own ARM hardware.

[@Progressivemilla]

Did you get a new macbook? Did it work? :)

[@azaram5571]

@@Progressivemilla No I didn't. My old laptop was struggling late last year and I needed a quick upgrade so I bought a second-hand 16" MBP with i9 to get back up and running until I have more time to test properly. I'll probably have another look into it soon though. My business partner has a bunch of Apple Silicon macbooks and mac minis, so I might test it out on one of those first before committing.

[@LucianoEvaristoGuerche]

I have tried the preview and the feature I missed the most was "Extensions"

[@asafblasbergvideographer]

Hi apparently Visual Studio is now a native Arm64 application. Did you test the version 17.4 and is it even faster now ?

[@ltra42]

nice, this is what I've been waiting for

[@scriptbytes]

This is good to see! This is the full-blown version of VS 2022 right? Not the 'VS for Mac' version?

[@petermelbourne3529]

This is the full blown version yes but he's running it in a windows virtual machine, this isnt running natively on mac os

[@scriptbytes]

@@petermelbourne3529 Ah thank you, I don't know how I missed him explaining that at the beginning.

[@petermelbourne3529]

@@scriptbytes no problem, the day they release the full version for mac will be a great day

[@GaryWee111]

Wow! Thanks for making this video!!! I have been considered to purchase a M1 Mac, and this definitely hit me, thanks!

[@istvanbardos1251]

I am using Rider instead of VS, and so far it's just working fine for me.

[@AZisk]

Rider is great, but this video is about another tool :)

[@istvanbardos1251]

@@AZisk Yep, sorry to cover a somewhat different topic, just wanted to say that VS wasn't so good for M1 until now, maybe this will change soon. On the other hand, i would love to see a .NET 7 test on the channel! :)

[@adamk7743]

@@AZisk Please do more videos on VS2022 ARM

[@grupomexcomer]

Can I install Windows ARM and Visual Studio ARM using VMWare Fusion instead of Parallels? Can I compile .NET 4.8.1 WinForms apps with VS ARM?

[@ozzyuban]

Good job alex....thanks

[@Yaniv.C]

Great vid Alex

[@garynagle3093]

Wow. Great video. Congrat to microsoft visual studio team. Would love sql server too so I could dump my windows pc

[@tharwatmella9932]

What is ARM?

[@frenchnigel3138]

Again an excellent vide Alex. But, why don't you test the most common speed issue when developing with razor pages? IE Changing the razor html to tweak the UI frequently requires a rebuild and when "tarting up" how the app appears to end users it can take ages waiting for this. Any chance you could spin up the default Blazor server app and change one of the razor pages then rebuild, repeat? Thanks

[@rensichen4281]

Splitting progress bar plz

[@thyssenFILMS]

Isn’t visual studio for Mac 2022 ARM native as well? If so, why run parallels instead of the macOS native version?

[@AZisk]

vs for mac is not a fully developed product IMO

[@dadthelad]

Yeah, I'm confused about this too. Can someone please spell it out to us dumb fools? Can't all these Web App tests run on VS 2022 for Mac?

[@AZisk]

@@dadthelad check this out kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5WWap2toKd_pM0

[@LucianoEvaristoGuerche]

ML Builder is missing in the Add context menu also.

[@ThomazMartinez]

Can you compare the ARM version with Windows PC laptop?

[@Mahm00dM0hanad]

There aren’t any good windows arm laptops, heck there aren’t even midrange, all of them are extremely bad

[@laughup7055]

Will it support C++?

[@martinkunc]

Hi Alex, what is the battery run time, when you are developing in VS on Parallels on a Mac ?

[@cestlavieeee]

does this also apply to vs Code?

[@irvingmontero5653]

Great video, Do you think this would work for winforms apps since winforms apps have support for ARM

[@akovac35]

How does VS arm compare to visual studio mac edition? In case you need video idea :)

[@marna_li]

Release configuration just optimizes the IL. In this case it doesn't matter what the PE-file says about architecture. If you want to compile to machine code, then you should try to Publish the app with the ReadyToRun option.

[@alekxandar]

Hi Alex, there is new version of Parallels 18. Can we get a video with test of VS there?

[@AZisk]

coming soon

[@6SPEEDlopez]

Can you review parallels 18?

[@marianbencat6658]

I'll stay with Rider :)) visual studio is horror for fullstack development. (When JavaScript/typescript is used)

[@MalamIbnMalam]

I ordered a M1 Max Macbook Pro 14" I will not be receiving it until August sadly.

[@PaulJacobs51]

Loved the review/comparison. Do we have any idea when SQL Server is coming to ARM..??

[@AZisk]

I really don’t know, but would not be waiting for it.

[@PaulJacobs51]

@@AZisk I work in Classic-ASP and VBScript, old MS technologies.. Currently I have a M1 Mac mini and a Acer Predator Helios 300.. My PC is only has a 7th Gen Intel i7 processor so it is not upgradeable to Windows 11. I have been playing with Parallels and Windows 11 on ARM.. but the crucial missing piece is SQL Server.. That way I can ditch my old PC and use Parallels.. In the mean time, I have to continue using my old PC.. That is why I am interested..

[@saibalaji4713]

Will UWP or WinUI3 work on this?

[@conradtaylor29]

Hey Alex, I didn't have to touch my Visual Studio For Mac 2019 installation because it's installed as a 'Visual Studio' and Visual Studio For Mac 2022 is installed as 'Visual Studio (Preview)'. Then you should be able to open your 'Visual Studio' project with 'Visual Studio (Preview)'. In short, you can run Visual Studio For Mac 2019 and Visual Studio For Mac 2022 side-by-side on macOS.

[@Frank2tek]

Hey Alex , I'm very interesting in Visual Studio and in general for all .Net stuff and sql server. My Company use Microsoft products only but i don't like Windows. With this test you gave me hope that one day I will finally be able to use only a mac. 🙂

[@etaashmathamsetty7399]

im just that one person who hates windows, but hates apple and mac os (it is utter garbage, cannot use it) so im just stuck with linux and its better than both combined so its all good in the end

[@HuntingKingYT]

@@etaashmathamsetty7399 When you must use VBA...

[@bamqadem]

Thanks for the good work. For SQL Server, I tried SQL Server Express 2014 x86 and worked under the Windows ARM version running under Parallel. Please, try it.

[@hohol2330]

Hi Alex, Can you introduce your state application on your menu bar? I have focused on long time. Thanks your high quality video.

[@zijinzhang20]

I'm wondering if my .net desktop program can still run on windows arm!

[@cverde1234]

I don't know what you are talking about saying https was not previously supported. It has been for ages. Maybe you were referring to .NET framework running on IIS Express? 🤔

[@connectdots]

Alex do you know if Microsoft is planning to release a native visual studio for mac with M (Arm64) architecture?

[@AZisk]

They just killed VS for Mac. I think they will focus only on Windows now

[@shreyanshmishra6613]

How can you compare studio running on VM with the one on host OS. The one on VM will definitely be slow.

[@dilankaseneviratne146]

Is there a reliable way we can run it natively on Mac itself? As in the ARM version without parrallels or any other virtual machine?

[@amir_tavoosi]

Dude can i install it in macos? I asked it cause you installed it in windows virtual machine

[@mirovaltonen112]

Hey, does your coupon still work?

[@cameronbweston]

Do you have a guide for installing VS 2022 Professional on an M1 Mac via Parallels? I have been running into all kinds of issues and it would be much appreciated, thanks!

[@neilgilroy1629]

Wonder if it’s possible to hack/add in the missing workloads (even if they run slow?)

[@dougmckay2128]

How much ram do you have in that machine?

[@AZisk]

64Gb

[@RalphKrausse]

Great video. Have you or anyone made this scenario? Windows hosting a webap and then the mac side hosting a node or angular app. Localhost can't be found on the mac side. Using the IP didn't seem to work either.

[@vimalverma3923]

I am looking for macbook for automation testing, Jenkins and docker. Would please suggest which macbook air is best for me with specs.

[@Dan-t1i2g5t]

@AZisk , is this workflow on an M3 and Visual Studio now usable , getting a new work machine and trying to decide if I should go Mac or surface ?

[@sakabas28]

Can we develop XAMARIN.FORMS apps in Visual Studio 2022 ARM?

[@achmadsyarifhidayatullah5341]

wait, vs only (will) support arm now? I thought they already support it since windows RT. no wonder early ms surface are failed

[@JJSalomoun]

Thanx for your video. Please, is it possible to run web forms apps? I have lot’s of old projects in web forms…

[@AZisk]

web forms wasn’t on the list when i checked. it might run, but i wouldn’t

[@JJSalomoun]

@@AZisk Thanx

[@rowser4472]

So do I use Visual Studio Code, Visual Studio for Mac, or Visual Studio? lol. Just accepted a job where I will be developing on a Mac for the first time in my life, as well as using MacOS for the first time period, so going to need to do some exploration.

[@LucianoEvaristoGuerche]

Oh man. Sorry, at first, though you were talking about Visual Studio for Mac.

[@ltony9417]

like your BGM

[@Kaviranghari]

Please test it i would like to see it

[@gabrielbicca3530]

Great job mate! But i have a question, if u can help me pls.. In the past i buy one m1 pro and i work with some projects "legacy" like .net 4.1 and .net core 2.1! But i think this projects 4.1 and 2.1 not run in ARM.. you know about one emulate or other way to solved this?

[@grupomexcomer]

What I read from Microsoft is that VS Arm supports 4.8.1, they don’t state about .net 4.1

[@sixhoj]

So why would I use VS for Mac now?

[@appala]

cause its on MAC? VS was available on intel MAC ever since we could install Windows on Mac yet, we have VS on Mac.

[@sventepe7487]

Any chance of getting SSIS to work on an M1 Max? If so, will the performance beat an i9?

[@AZisk]

i haven’t tried it, but i wouldn’t use any sql server products on apple silicon just yet.

[@lucasrocha633]

I've tried to run my personals and simple projects in my MBP 14 inch M1 Pro runs fine but my professional project I've tried to run and BOOM more than 900 errors in Rider 2022 and VS 2022 doesnt load the project kkkk. Maybe in the future maybe!!

[@jordanlian1770]

how does he display the temperature of the mac on the menu bar?

[@AZisk]

link to tg pro in description

[@jordanlian1770]

@@AZisk thank you very much

[@seantyler7140]

Alex, could you benchmark Win11 ARM under Parallels on the M1 Max (Your MBP) vs the M1 Ultra (Your Studio)? I am curious to see if the extra performance cores in the Studio’s M1 Ultra help. Thank you

[@brujyyy]

There's still no version of Visual Studio for Mac supporting ARM, that's weird that Microsoft still didn't release one for the Mac version of VS. (so obviously VS for Mac would be much worse since it's running through Rosetta)

[@makingtheweb6620]

Is Vs Code the same as Visual Studio? . I was thinking of a mac for just Vs Code. I wish to use it for learing Dart and also Flutter. I don't want the mac to emulate a pc, but what the mac to run Vs Code natively. What do you recomend?

[@codeplus7535]

Could you please release a KZbin video on macOS vs Asahi Linux, and run tests on it. I am planning on switching to Asahi Linux but I am not sure if I should or not

[@kevinjia3635]

I have create a order for new macbook with M2 chip right now. 😁 In order to buy a new mac with apple m1 chip, I struggled for a long time until I saw this video, thank you Alex.

[@w32crazydev]

so bad that dotnet-dump does not seem to work as expected out of the box on m1

[@VandamBerbecu]

Do M2 vs M1 for Typescript / React / Web compilation

[@djmanosv]

my friend, devops azure engineer here, working heavily with VS. what are your parallel settings ? Thinking of geting the m1 pro 32 GB 1T disk. should that support flawless windows 11 VS ?

[@AZisk]

i usually max it out.

[@umutkayatuz9963]

Is Parallels the only way to go?😒

[@AZisk]

there are other options, but parallels currently works the best

[@bitcoinjc]

Hi Alex where can I get that 64 bit version download setup file? I realise its not optimised for ARM but I need to test an older version of something on 64 bit visual studio 2022 via Parallelsbon my m3 macook. When I try to install the generic downloaded setup file it automatically installs the ARM version. How can I bypass this for testing purposes please?

[@DutchThought]

Great video. I’ve been wondering how it would perform. Next is SSMS 😁👍🏽

[@woolfel]

given how HUGE sqlserver code base is, I really doubt it will be ready for ARM64 any time this year. Older versions of sqlserver used a lot of low level windows api. Porting it to ARM64 is quite a bit of work

[@yiyu7096]

devWe can use SQL SERVER ON DOCKER for dev

[@dilankaseneviratne146]

I am actually using SQL Server on my M1 MBA without any issues. Like to use it on the CLI you just have to root access it with the filepath and it shows the usual mysql> on the terminal. And the server on and off is intergrated into the Mac settings app. Also MySQL Worbench runs smoothly too!

[@woolfel]

@@dilankaseneviratne146 that is cool

[@AkhileshYadav-qj8hq]

I don’t know why winforms doesn’t work on mac. Can anyone give me an alternate for System.windows.forms in mac

[@1993eML]

This means that hopefully in the end of the year (or now) I can go for Mac M1 PRO with my .NET CORE education with visual studio and going for C#, I dont really find any nice windos laptops. I really want go with M1 with my .NET education.

[@SupremeBeever]

Keep an eye out for the new Microsoft Surface Pro 9 ARM tablet going to be announced in two days. It may be the perfect machine for you.

[@noway8233]

Yuo remember me a kid with a new toy (happy), nice, its always fun and a plesure to work in a fast computer/program

[@marcoseliasmep]

Microsoft had a chance to do that 10 years ago with Windows Phone and Windows RT, but they gave up… Now they will rush to recover it. Interesting…

[@sarthakshah]

Can you confirm when Microsoft is going to bring Microsoft Teams to ARM?

[@steffdia7080]

But Yuzu, Launchbox etc will cry.

[@bamqadem]

Since 2016 and above SQL server is x64 only.

[@jonaszjonasz5752]

I want to buy parallels and the 25% discount does not work. I still have a price of € 99.99 / yr

[@AZisk]

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[@AZisk]

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[@jonaszjonasz5752]

@@AZisk Thanks :)

[@Viralvlogvideos]

You buy so many laptops right? what do you do if you don't use them much?

[@burtonrodman]

I would not expect any difference for the run-time of your built dll. Even if it claims to be x86 in the header, it still contains IL Unless it was compiled through the .Net Native chain. Building for AnyCPU will jit the code at run-time -- on the target CPU's architecture, which is (wait for it...) ARM64. This new version Visual Studio is not changing how the dotnet run-time works -- just Visual Studio.

[@fazebook7897]

fun times

[@LucianoEvaristoGuerche]

If Project Volterra be aborted anytime anyhow, would Win 11 for ARM + Visual Studio 2022 ARM run on Raspberry PI?

[@dadthelad]

Can someone explain if these tests that Alex ran can also run on VS 2022 for Mac or not? Am I mistaken in thinking that all Web Apps developed on VS 2022 for Windows x64, or VS 2022 for ARM, are the same as VS 2022 for Mac? Are there any extra limitations with VS 2022 for Mac?

[@willinton06]

They’re the same, you could run them without either VS 2022 or VS for Mac installed

[@mattbarry79]

Awesome. Way to go Microsoft!

[@mdzaid5925]

The only product from Microsoft which I like is Vscode!

[@unjordi]

Noooiiice! thanks for the comparison! I'm on a Ryzen9 Zephyrus and happy about it, but i'm also very interested in the MacOS ecosystem so these videos of yours are very useful!

[@wynegs.rhuntar8859]

I like my MBA M1, but I miss windows and the possibility of install properly linux (with a lot of storage), change rams and disks ;( I don't like macos, xD I want a laptop arm based with win (for office) and linux to play with it, xD

[@User-qw75443kjh]

Wow

[@Mahm00dM0hanad]

Now we need some good windows on ARM laptops, and we will finally move from hot power hungry x86 cpus

[@dadthelad]

One can only presume they are in the pipeline! As are the chips they will need to run on that can compete anywhere close to M1.

[@jingzheshan]

Come on, port this to iOS natively please, I will use it straightway

[@adilhussain6301]

yes pretty please :)

[@sefatanam]

yeahhhhhh