2024 Vital MX 450 Shootout

[@carlmerritt996]

Wish the beta was included in this. Interested to see how to stacks up vs these brands.

[@Chrissy-H]

Poor Suzuki, they’re not even bothering to include it anymore. I love my 18, because it’s basically a 24 😂

[@icegremlin47]

I've ridden basically every bike and raced professionally. I personally like suzukis. They aren't the best by any means but it works for me. I don't own one but I'd buy one and be happy. My favorite was the 08 250 rmz

[@Chrissy-H]

@@icegremlin47 good info from somebody whose tried them all. Yes they’re heavy and the frames a bit stiff… but the motors are so smooth, the handling is great, and they’re super strong and reliable. And much cheaper than everything else. So yeah, the smart money is on a Suzuki I reckon. For the weekend rider it’s a great bike.

[@Ferg113]

@@Chrissy-HSuzuki doesn’t support our sport. Why would you support a company that doesn’t support us?

[@xlankex]

Love, love, love my Yamaha.

[@kennyrichard2971]

I agree they are all awesome dirt bikes, and everyone knows every good rider will send their suspension out to their preferred suspension people/companys and usually good ranking and pro riders will go whoever is paying out the most consistency money

[@adamrochester1]

Rode every bike but the new kx and gas gas and husky. Rode the 23 kx etc wasn’t sure which one to buy until I rode the Yamaha … so easy flickable light fun everything and that’s not being a Yamaha fan I wanted the best bike for me I’m an retired bodybuilder 250lbs 6,1 easy pick soon as I rode it you won’t regret it if it’s to much mellow it out in smooth linear map

[@treybird893]

A 450 iS tOo BiG fOr MoSt PeOpLe. Good vid ML!

[@RideFishHunt]

Personally I rode the new kx and the Yamaha, i have a 22 gasgas 450 not stock. The kx is nice, reminds me of a KTM 350 engine wise. The Yamaha is just to much for me to be consistent. And yes we used the tuner app. Just felt different for what we ride in Ohio. Great bike but i just wasn't as comfortable on it as the kx. Never messed with the suspension except for the sag on them. Overall i had fastest lap times on my bike. Which is to be expected. It's set up for me. They are probably all so close once you dial them in it's going to be all about the rider.

[@erasmodelira3247]

Cadê a Suzuki e a Beta?😢

[@TheHemiphil81]

Great review. I would love to see a review of the new triumph and beta head to head.

[@vitalmx]

The Triumph is a 250 and the Beta is a 450.

[@A.Garland]

​@@vitalmx I only see five different MX bikes, where is Beta, where is TM? The companies Husquvarna and GasGas no longer exist and the Husquvarna and GasGas shown here are 100% KTM and nothing else.

[@vitalmx]

TM's are almost impossible to get in the states, we can't get one. The Beta 450 isn't available yet either. There are a couple in the hands of their race team and that's it.@@A.Garland

[@shadowsm1nd]

missed Beta 450 RX 2024, want know about this model

[@doublejump6578]

When I set up my cr500s , it was a easy set up , it was awesome, I rode my friends 2024 kx450 and it was junk next to my 500 r let me tell you my 500 a Out handled the kx hands done, much easier for me to ride, I will continue to ride my 500, 25 year old bike can easily, pull right along with the state of the art JUNK, I rode 500 for years, back in the day only bike for me

[@briancastora769]

The biggest difference. The Yamaha is the reverse intake and engine position. I would have though the “new”. Bikes to SX and MX would be more futuristic. The YZ did this in 2010’ and have been refining it ever since…..

[@Noah6692]

99% of riders won’t need anymore power, with any of the bikes…

[@kingdomfunding]

I agree but I’m sure with a paddle in the dunes, you will want it. Is that a 1%? Probably

[@Motopulse219]

I always laugh when riders say they want MORE power out of a 450 lol unless you're Tomac, no one needs that much power.

[@dimitriesep220]

If you are heavy and out of shape and you f*k up your corner technique and burry the bike deep into the berm then the full 60+ HP is just very helpful

[@alondite215]

@@Motopulse219 Depends on your size to an extent. I'm like 225 lbs and there a times I definitely find myself wanting more power on a 450.

[@johndepperschmidt8984]

Funny how everyone loves it on the Stark...

[@onthebackwheel]

Good video mate. High quality and enjoyed it

[@user-ec6en2ff4d]

When will you guys do a full review with beta, sherco, fantic and some of those other more euro brands than you still see getting out there.

[@SupervisorJimLahey]

Rip Suzuki ☹️ man did they make a mean 2 stroke in the 2000’s

[@alondite215]

Heard a lot about the new Kawi being a slug and the engine falling flat on its face. I expect that some of it was hyperbole, but the fact that even Vital is commenting on its lack of relative power seems to be a pretty big red flag. Ultimately though, the chassis update is the biggest thing. You can make the engine better, but I don't expect that there are any riders out there engineering their own chassis.

[@tombunch5945]

Red flag for you, green flag for me, would be my pick because of it. I’m sure it’s still over 50hp.

[@alondite215]

@@tombunch5945 I haven't ridden the new Kawi yet, but from what I've heard it's not a "comfortable" kind of slow, it's just slow. An occasionally _dangerous_ degree of slow by the looks of it; I've seen multiple videos of people hitting gaps on other bikes no problem and consistently coming up _way_ short on the Kawi.

[@cleanmachineautodetailing]

I’m sure they didn’t pull the new rubber grommet out. I think keefer is the only one that did.

[@alondite215]

@@cleanmachineautodetailing Yeah the bikes were showroom stock as far as I know, but the grommet thing doesn't surprise me. It's not uncommon for stuff to be "de-tuned" in various ways from the factory; I've upgraded stock Banshee carbs enough to know that haha.

[@cleanmachineautodetailing]

@@alondite215 I’m just saying keefer is the only one giving it a fair review. Remove the grommet and it’s just fine.

[@The_Snowbike_Channel]

It would have been great to show your scoring metrics and explain the score system. Interesting how MXA listed the Husky as feeling the most powerful of the 24 450’s?

[@mvcvm6398]

When is the '24 factory test coming?

[@theoestarija5792]

This shoot out review is hating on Suzuki. Despite Roczen winning on yellow. And how quick they forget Suzuki dominating in the past.

[@2216sammy]

Stock Suzuki is not competitive with these bikes , Kens bike is totally worked and what the hell does the past have anything to do with it.

[@theoestarija5792]

@@2216sammy you’re absolutely correct and I stand down. lol.

[@ronmower3694]

the husk 24 is a 61hp bike

[@The_Snowbike_Channel]

MXA scored it the fastest of 2024 bikes.

[@mikestrophytruck]

Which one of these bike s corners and turns the best?

[@danoa8859]

Did vital remove the rubber plug in airbox on kx 450

[@user-xg9wb4lw3w]

I was wondering the same thing

[@joshhellstorm184]

2024 125 SHOOTOUT

[@nute742]

Triumph, Beta, Ducati, Suzuki! (in the future)? Those are 4 more!!!

[@eric6rock]

Yamaha winning Factory and the masses Hearts 🤘

[@TroyPokoj]

Great Job!!

[@docstomp5524]

A lower center of gravity should help not just with cornering but breaking, acceleration…it’s just physics. too bad it’s so hard to dial in for a lot of riders

[@donovanowen8534]

No Suzuki this year ?

[@jakeschofield8234]

No Beta!

[@vitalmx]

Still not available in the US.

[@nickandrade5396]

Why is Suzuki not on the shootout ?

[@KYMXRacer]

Why, in 2023, are manufactures still selling dirt bikes without skid plates/engine case protection?

[@madrx2]

They're race bikes, not enduro.

[@KYMXRacer]

@@madrx2And that stops a rock from going through the engine cases how?

[@Lou-eye]

Just more $$$$ for them "aftermarket companies" to keep it as an accessory

[@InterestingWorldLove]

Beta is so much better? Benny the giant likes it?? Oh we forgot about it???

[@johndunn9819]

Not really a shoot out without Suzuki.

[@2216sammy]

These are all stock bikes , the Suzuki has proven time after time after time after time that it's not competitive with the latest models by other manufacturers . Vital is doing everybody a favor by not including it but you Suzuki fans can't seem to get enough last place finishes so maybe next year they will include it to remind everybody how much it sucks and why it should never be included in any shootout .

[@Lou-eye]

Yeah Roczen sure is doing good on it. Just give it the mods it needs.

[@pipefitterdirtbikerider3013]

Just look at the shoot out 10 years ago that’s the Suzuki

[@pipefitterdirtbikerider3013]

And Suzuki would get last place

[@jimmygritz9714]

Let my boy ride my 23 SR and I ride his Honda 450..: man that thing felt like hot garbage dude .. absolutely sucked to me… and I’m sure with more time I could have gotten used to it and been able to push and I’m sure ride decent.. with a few adjustments… but my boy on the other hand was INSTANTLY comfortable on the kawi (like I was when I tried one for the first time and was used to a husky…I bought a kawi the next day after my first time riding it… now he’s in search of a 23.. but man.. the MOTOR in that Honda !!!HOLY COW man… I’ve always rode 450s or 350s to 300s since I bought my first race bike … and I never felt like a bike was ever TOO fast… usually they feel not fast enough .. and also on paper the SR is the FASTEST bike… but that’s only on paper …damn dude I’d love to try that motor in my kawi setup

[@ochoabtor9597]

Will the pipe & suspension from 23 fit it?

[@DesertDudee]

Zuki?

[@ReyPereztv]

Mean while Jett shredding everyone on a 5th place bike lol.

[@jacksargent1883]

It’s not like he’s riding a factory bike with a $30,000 dollar suspension setup

[@nathandowns369]

​@jacksargent1883 Everyone on a factory bike is as well.

[@ReyPereztv]

@@nathandowns369 thank you

[@kylewaters7409]

I think people tend to take these videos too seriously in terms of ranking the bikes. Because at the end of the day all these bikes are viable if you have them setup for you. They each definitely have their own character but regardless you can get any of these and get the suspension revalved and sprung for you and you’d love it. I find it so funny when guys take these videos as scripture because it’s like for all our skill levels it’s not that deep.

[@ReyPereztv]

@@kylewaters7409 I agree. That’s why I said what I said about Jett beating everyone on a bike these people rated 5th.

[@pags1981]

Hows the Honda with 23. 5 clamps? In my mind I can see this bike being amazing with some minor upgrades.

[@domdequoy7132]

I owned 19,20,21,22,23 and will the 24 CRF450R. The thing I hate about these shootout is that they don't considere the price to make it right for you and how much to keep the bike troughout the year... What I did to my Honda's : Suspension, Clamps, push rods, 09 steering damper and engine supports. Around 3k more and the bike is absolutely solid. I had a SXF and it 3k more at the dealer and you will more likely do the same mods plus change those WEAK OEM hubs... Plus the bike just don't last... So for me the honda have been top 3 best bike for the last 5-6 years.

[@yukonjon5964]

@@domdequoy7132 that's good to hear (same mods i was planning). so would you say, besides suspension work, the aftermarket engine mounts really make the stiff chassis work properly?... or is the triple clamp the better mod to get it handling better??? back in the day special shootouts used to spend $1000 on the cheaper bikes and then compare em. seems Honda would move way up the list if they still did this, but with about $2500.

[@domdequoy7132]

@@yukonjon5964 Clamps realy depends of the track you usualy ride and how you ride. If you ride wide and fast tracks, maybe the infamous 23.5mm clamp would be best but if you usualy ride tighter tracks or if you are an inside huger you don't need clamps. For me, I think you can get a realy solid setup with the fork flush in the clamps and the rear wheel as far as possible. The perfect bike that feels perfect everywhere doesn't exist. You have to adapt your riding to make it work. I also did 14-52 sprockets which realy calmed the frame. If you don't want to spend money on hangers you can driller them in the exact center of it. I did it on my 2019 and it did what I want. But I didn't find any alternative to stiffen up the front engine mount.

[@Ranger4444]

One thing that wasn't mentioned is weight. All these bikes are gaining weight the last few years. That makes little sense and not a positive. Didn't the KX gain like 6lbs over last year?

[@tj_altekruse317]

Meh I’m sticking with my Yz 250 two stroke ❤

[@TrickRacing]

Yamaha is GOD

[@peanutjellyman]

I see you talking about KX lacking power and yamaha has most but on dyno they're pretty much identical in peak hp

[@chazzgonzalez1356]

No I heard the new kawis actually feel like they no power

[@vitalmx]

Peak HP is rarely achieved when riding. Torque and HP at partial throttle openigns, such as 25-50% opening are the most common that we experience. The new KX is down on the old one in these areas.

[@Travis4197]

Is it just me, or should there be more sounds of the bikes revving in a shootout video...? Is this what the future holds if electric bikes take over Pro racing...?

[@ispeed1971]

😮I remember when motorcycle mags stopped saying which one was best , it was about 20 years ago. all worried about advertiser revenue. You guys know that this contributed to the demise of bike mags . grow a set

[@MikeMartin-gz6ix]

Where is the suzuki r m z 450

[@promx96]

not even in the conversation worst performance bike out there

[@stevesmith756]

In the trash looking for an E button

[@Evo836]

Great test and better than MC Action where they sit and rev every bike before setting off. What a lot of riders don't learn is throttle finesse on a 450 if you are too aggressive they will bite and be a handful.

[@mathewpist4]

Mx action does great tests. As does vital.

[@nute742]

Where is Kennys Bike! (lol)

[@skigod9]

Put a varg in the shoot out

[@brickslayer72]

hey you forgot suzuki rm 450

[@The_Snowbike_Channel]

Suzuki forgot about the RM 450 😂

[@rogersiples3335]

I'd buy another KTM and modify the suspension.

[@kingdomfunding]

The Suzuki sucks so much they don’t even bother 😂

[@buddysumner4022]

I mean if the Suzuki sucks so much how does Kenny win on it, and I’m not a Suzuki fanboy saying this I’m a kawi and Yamaha fanboy,

[@kingdomfunding]

@@buddysumner4022 there’s a reason it’s not here bro

[@buddysumner4022]

@@kingdomfunding I’m not your bro bro, I bet I no why you hate Suzuki so much u are probably one of them guys that think what ever you like is the best, let me guess you are a ktm group fanboy am I wrong and if I am I apologize,

[@kingdomfunding]

@@buddysumner4022 don’t get mad because Suzuki sucks. I am a Kawi guy and you are right, you’re not my bro, you’re my babe !!!

[@2216sammy]

@@buddysumner4022 Kennys bike isn't remotely close to a stock bike that's why he's competitive on it .

[@LMBC6Brian]

Forget the Suzuki??

[@vitalmx]

It places last every year, so we didn't use on this year. We wanted to focus on how the updated Kawasaki and GasGas went up against the other four machines that have been updated within the past year or so.

[@Yamahariderr31]

They will have to add suzuki back next season with the new oem bikes, surpised vital thinks that just because a bike is new/ updated, means it should place ahead of an older model, a lot of bikes in recent years have had updates that have made them worse-from the ways the previously made them great.

[@Jcsundeen90]

The bike has seen practially zero changes since what 2018?. Every tester knows exactly what that bike is. No reason to waste time and money until Suzuki gets off their ass and does something worth while.

[@vitalmx]

@@Yamahariderr31 Having pre-ridden all the bikes before Shootout, it was 100% clear that nothing would finish worse than it.

[@bmotomo421]

So, it was 100% clear that every other bike was better than the Suzuki, for 100% of riders? How lame is that? It's not even close to being accurate. My guess is that upwards of 90% of the people viewing this video couldn't use any of these bikes or the RMZ to their full potential. Who exactly are these tired shootouts geared towards, anyway? The guys who can actually use them to their full potential will ride whichever brand that pays them. Who are you to determine all the bikes are better for all the riders out there?

[@nathandowns369]

The honda is the oldest gen in the test correct? Is there a new one coming out for 25? Also id love to see a long term durability test on the bikes. Think the honda would definitely win that.

[@mxgryan]

No it wouldn't

[@mxr248]

No Yamaha has been known for more durability than any other bike which most all magazines have said.

[@2216sammy]

Yamaha is # 1 in build quality and reliability Honda is second.

[@2216sammy]

@@mxr248 Correct

[@stevesmith756]

Don’t know anyone who can get a good set up on the Honda

[@bobhannah9944]

KTM black frame ---NOOOOOOOOO! All orange like the factory teams-wtf graphics

[@shadowkick2852]

Where's Suzuki?!!

[@alondite215]

It's the same bike that it's been since like 2016. Just watch any of previous shootouts; it's still in last, and all the comments are the same.

[@promx96]

last place again just wasting breath

[@TSCAU2011]

Suzuki does not endorse this video 😜😂

[@nate5land]

For all of you crying about too much power, shut your honey pot and listen. It’s a 450. It’s a big bore thumper. You have to ride it differently. No, you don’t get to play Superman and use full throttle everywhere. Short shift, use the torque. Need extra power? Let it rev out. Riding at lower RPMs improves the handling of the bike (it’s called rotational mass). On the straights, let it rev when rotational mass doesn’t matter. 450s let you just ride the bike without worry. Just ride instead of squeezing every drop of it out. Also, you can get away with a more point and shoot style of racing. 450s give you options. I personally think they should up the displacement to 500cc and let the 2-stroke 500s back in and to top it off… bring on the electrics! More options = better racing.

[@williswombat6995]

rigged as always, no surprise

[@rileyvosper411]

kawi does not beat ktm

[@reedgalbraith6508]

absolutely it does..overpriced orange junk..