Vladimir Samsonov vs Gionis Panagiotis (2016 Olympic Qualification)

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14,Apr 2016
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[@hariskrijestorac]

As a chopper, I watch this match once a month for inspiration

[@ChessArmyCommander]

Have you seen this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH-5gWaers5qasU

[@godgunsandgoldens]

@@ChessArmyCommander Women’s chopping game doesn’t count.

[@Eats_Flowers]

@@godgunsandgoldens Either woman in this video would put you in the dumpster.

[@bryanwells4063]

id watch joo sae hyuk gionnis lacks the forhand chop in his game you can see he loses many point from being too agressive with his forehand or just being to predictable with the forehand, he hits into the net or too high and gets a smash he cant defend, playing safer is usually better for defenders especially at amatuer league like me, obviously it higher levels you need to take risks but I feel like Joo's playstyle is one to strive for gionnis is a bit of an odity

[@rayc7914]

@@bryanwells4063 yeah I agree, he is predictable. I think Gionis lacks aggressive forehand loop fundamentals as well. When he attacks with his forehand he seems to want to guarantee the ball over the net so he spins it into a high arc, but the lack of forward momentum (which brings risk as you said) means he is always vulnerable to counters or balance shifting. The Chinese are able to have their forehand loops at a fast pace so that the opponent has less time to react while also generating enough topspin to get the ball over the net, and Gionis is unable to do that which is quite a large hole in his technique

[@qazwsxa1029]

Wow! I haven't seen Samsonov lose to a chopper in ages! Amazing game (plus some luck) by Gionis

[@qazwsxa1029]

+Green Light Transport A LITTLE luck, Gionis didn't win the match by coin flip. However, he won the first set on a net at 11-7, and got an un-returnable net and an edge ball in the third, which he won 11-8. The last two sets were deuces. This 4-1 isn't the same as Ma Long's decisive 4-1 victory over Samsonov in the German Open this year, at least 3 of the sets Gionis won could have gone either way with a lucky ball or two for Samsonov.

[@topspin4456]

Wonderful , beautiful table tennis on the highest level with one of the most elegant player of all time, Vladimir Samsonov, and the Greek wall Panagiotis Gionis with his wonderful variations. I hope, that this "old" players Vladimir, Panagiotis and Timo will play as long as possible. They are the good old wine of the international table tennis. Phantastic.

[@LeTDDswag]

What a match from Gionis he was like a wall, he's a bit like a good wine, at 35-36 he seems better than he ever was. But I think it's also due to Samsonov's relative lack of power, he has a good placement but can't really choke Gionis like the Chinese do against defenders for example, so the rallies are very long and it's tiring for Vladi...

[@ottoparts789]

Samsonov let gionis go from the table to far all the time, allowing him to play how he wanted. If you notice, gionis would back up then loop to samsonovs backhand and every time made that shot. Crazy match

[@GGun1t]

Unexpected 0_0 well congrats to Gionis. Its ok Vlady, you're still going to the Olympics :)

[@YourMaster86]

He's not 😞

[@YourMaster86]

+YourMaster86 actually, he can qualify based on his world ranking which is odd yet really nice.

[@96JW77]

If Samsonov was a chopper (defender), he would play like Gionis

[@garylist9]

Such pure control from both these two and really great to watch too.

[@FILIPeeeK]

WHAT A MATCH!!!!!

[@knotwilg3596]

Last set Samsonov was clearly exhausted, mentally and physically. It's not easy to play a chopper when he has a good day. And indeed Samsonov seems to lack the power to take advantage of the softer returns.

[@ktosomcosom19]

Sorry for a late reply (just 6 year-late, so hopefully it's fine). Samsonov did seem physically not alright here, perhaps he had a cold/flu. Normally, he has the power when he needs it to finish the point, and is extremely consistent with placement and extremely good reading of the spin that can frustrate even the most patient defensive players. Joo Se-Hyuk chose Samsonov as the player who is hardest to play against.

[@lightmobile]

Wow Gionis was in the zone!!

[@serjos27s]

Классный матч. Замучал Гионис Владимира. Время берет свое.

[@brahms008]

Whaou, great performance !

[@sergtennisks]

The monotone servise and not enough strong forehand did not give advantages to Samsonov.

[@arildbrkke3918]

Gionis has little unforced errors, and keeps calm and plays his game, entertaining match and a strong win for him. Har to play against, he also does some surprise twiddles :)

[@ucnhtmenow1]

I don't know what it is but there's something about Vladimir I don't like but it's still fun to watch his amazing skills.

[@user-xy5td4tj7u]

intellectual game. impressive!

[@ChessArmyCommander]

You get the right person playing the modern defensive style, and they can beat *anybody* .

[@bytheswor150]

great match from gionis. it seemed that in the first 2.5 sets samsonov has a tactic which is attacking to gionis' backhand and then slightly pushing him to the middle knowing his is going to use his backhand there, and I guess the rest was attacking stronger to his backhand side. however it didn't really work since each time samsonov attacked slightly too far to his FH side, gionis attacked so sharply samsonov didn't return almost any of those. not to mention what happened when samsonov just attacked his FH side. afterwards I think his main tactic was to attack and then push shortly which worked better, but still not quite did the job due to samsonov lack of power. with less power gionis didn't get very far from the table there had an easier time returning those short balls quite low and spinny and because of that he didn't have to get much faraway from the table in order to chop. both these tactics are very popular against choppers and they usually work, I guess with the lack of power samsonov couldn't quite control the game as he should against chopper

[@aa4362]

CLASH OF TITANS

[@marinpetrov629]

Great Match .Well DOne to Pangiotis .Btw what is he Chopping with ?Is it Faint Long ?

[@sjjapp]

Marin Petrov Butterfly Feint Long II 1.1mm

[@charliexiong1787]

These two tween tower guys just quit from basket ball team.

[@sfiris22]

fantastic play by Gionis. bravo!

[@Kovalainenn]

Sorry for Samsonow, does he still has chance to come through?

[@ucnhtmenow1]

I understand the sportmanshio in saying sorry when it hurts the meet it the edges of the table bit then again, it's just part of the game. It definitely wasn't purposely done.

[@user-hc7dc6eb1k]

Стареет Володя...

[@Tryzerlol]

Unreal how much luck Panagiotis has throughout the match. I prolly would've gone apeshit in Samsonovs spot long ago

[@pukulu]

big win for Gionis. He seemed to be very sharp and more motivated than Samsonov.

[@rayc7914]

Gionis has a simple and beautiful style. Maybe it is a bit too simple and him lacking some forehand fundamentals made him unable to contest the Chinese, but I always enjoyed watching him

[@zazenforever4940]

Lets just say it, Panagiotis played great. I know at times it is difficult to say that a "chopper" beat an "offensive" player, but that is what occurred. I could be wrong, but there does seem to be a certain amount of looking down on defenders (of all types) from the general table tennis community. I dont understand it as there are many, many styles of play in this sport, yet somehow unless someone "offensive" it is considered to be an inferior style.. Strange.

[@adry9898]

Is Samsonov out of Rio 2016?

[@bluefirenoskillz2154]

+Adrián Ferreira Bermúdez Samsonov will be in cause of his world ranking

[@recanterc7754]

Are the new balls better for choppers?

[@riujithetechnician]

a lot of people say that you need more power for this ball to generate spin. So if you already have good power on your spin, there shouldn't be too much problem

[@sjjapp]

Reduced speed helps for sure, but spin is a defenders ally. Heavy backspin and variation in spin is essential for defenders. Numerous interviews with guys like Joo Se Hyuk back this up, that the new ball is another change in the sport that negatively affects defenders.

[@user-xi7zo7iu9r]

헐 수비형선수 득점하고 '좋아'라고하는건가???

[@YourMaster86]

I'm sooo sad....Samsonov's performance costed him the Olympics. And he rarely loses to Gionis too. Gionis did play well though.

[@GeniusTableTennis]

Vladi is already qualified...

[@YourMaster86]

+GeniusTableTennis no, he did not qualify. He will have to qualify based on his world ranking. In that case I think he still will qualify, cause I just read that on TTD's site, but I was worried for a second.

[@GeniusTableTennis]

+YourMaster86 Yes, he is definitely qualified because of his world ranking :)

[@owen7342]

first

[@user-ws9zi3fg7j]

Красивая игра. Но с греком играть в таком стиле... Ну уже не те годы. Самсонов еле тащит игру, отыгрывая каждый мяч лишь бы исполнить, никакой динамики и комбинации.

[@LAMBOMETS]

Samsonov is too soft here

[@Cornerer1]

then you should watch how Zoran Primorac outplayed choppers all the time with even less power.

[@serendipity5874]

@@Cornerer1 Zoran primorac didn't play till he was 45. Vladi is 40 here.

[@user-zs2gb9ys9d]

่joosehyuk 2

[@CrazyHynter]

The crowd is clapping too fucking much, I don't even know how the players concentrate.......They should be clapping on a hard point, not after every single one, for 10 fucking seconds.

[@kirihara147]

lol, most of time they are clapping for another couple, there is a lot of couples playing at the same place at the same time, how could you not notice it...

[@maizenblue2441]

Looked like the Panagiotis guy was just playing passive waiting for unforced errors. Good strategy, terrible entertainment.

[@angeloskoulas2157]

That's the whole philosophy behind modern defence: play a disruptive, passive game trying to find an opportunity to attack when it's best for you. Notable advocates for that style are Chen Weixing, Joo Se Hyuk and Panagiotis Gionis

[@Haiman9]

Pana thinks he won the olympics by beating a 40 year old samsonov.

[@bluefirenoskillz2154]

+Haiman9 A 40 year old Samsonov is the nr. 8 of the world and he qualified for rio with that match, so why so mad boy?

[@marakixd6203]

Haiman's TV panagiotis is 36 so what are you talking about?

[@JazzyJesterTechPing]

I dont like to win from others errors..

[@DoN253]

+jazzyjester then you shouldnt play table tennis

[@JazzyJesterTechPing]

+DoN253 I know how to win my point, only cowards win from defence.

[@GUSTAVOPINGPONG]

When you attack and win points you are making points from others errors. He couldnt block your topspin, was his error, he could not read your heavy topspins' spin, was his error too. So put how you want to put it, every time you make a point in this sport is because the other guys error.

[@beanburritocs]

+jazzyjester lol. how is defense cowardly? you have to stand up to your opponent's attack. if you miss your loop against my chop its no different from me missing my chop against your loop.

[@JazzyJesterTechPing]

Its different, I try to win the point by me attacking and making the point depend on myself and you try to live from my mistakes , you just return and return until I make a mistake. Its like to play with myself against a defender, defender is like mosquito, suck all your blood until you have no power.