Yung Joc Didn't Know Latinos Helped Start Hip Hop Until Fat Joe Said Something (Part 23)

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In this clip, Yung Joc reacted to the backlash Fat Joe received for pointing out how Latinos played an integral role in the birth of hip-hop. Joc said that people automatically push back against new information especially if it unsettles a history/narrative they’ve already accepted. He even admitted that he wasn’t aware of the role Latinos played until Fat Joe said something.
Interview by: Shawn Prez
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[@krownking2310]

FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICANS Created Hip Hop!!!!!!!

[@down-b8197]

@Yoo Toobian Caribbean people didn't create hip hop.

[@randee4550]

@@krownking2310 Y'all didn't CREATE shit.

[@krownking2310]

@@randee4550 mam, if your TRANS dad abused you just say that

[@randee4550]

@@krownking2310 SMD. Fuck FBA!

[@krownking2310]

@@randee4550 your non-binary emotions are showing

[@GMY716]

Latinos didn’t help start hip hop man stop with these titles

[@randee4550]

@@GMY716 who CREATED it

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@randee4550 Not your kind🤣

[@randee4550]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 Name the all FBA Hip-Hop CREATOR CREWS for me, that you've refused to name, 2000 comments later!!! Show me why FBA NEEDED Tito and Jimmy, and not any FBA cats in Hip-Hop? Why Puerto Ricans? Why y'all can't answer shit??? 😄🤣

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@randee4550 Charlie Chase said that y'all didn't help create Hip Hop, END OF DISCUSSION🤣

[@dmoney2310]

Ain’t no Latino started hip hop .. no disrespect

[@randee4550]

Where you there?

[@realone7405]

@@randee4550 just enjoy your status as a guest in HIP HOP.

[@randee4550]

@@realone7405 Who gave out the invitations? Where you there? I say you're the guest. Hip-Hop is my house.

[@Negro.spiritual]

​@@randee4550yea let me go steal something from your culture and then claim it since i lived close to some hispanics. Hip hop came from FUNK,JAZZ and the earlier stage of ragtime music, black americans can follow a historical and cultural timelime with hip hop hispanics cant.

[@Boutmypurpose]

They were all part of it from b-boy, r&b, and hip hop. Learn your history dawg.

[@unclericky5850]

Latinos DID NOT have shit to do with the creation of hip hop….

[@d3vp131]

Grandmaster Cas was Latino dude. So where so many of the others like grand wizard Theodore and his crew. Too many to name. The breakdancers, graffiti, etc were mostly Ricans and White as far as graffiti. DJ’s were Latino and black. In the Bronx, we lived amongst each other. At the time mostly Puerto Ricans, blacks, and a few whites. The first major hip hop song was planet rock. Produced by Arthur Baker, white dude. Next was Run-DMC sucka mc’s produced by Rick Rubin. The rappers were indeed 90% black in the beginning. But some of that 90% was dark skinned Latinos.

[@marquesmurray]

@@d3vp131 what in Sam hell are you talking about Caz is from South Carolina

[@JAMES79HOWLETT]

Big pun nuff said

[@doug1217]

Facts ... they conflate being around when it was starting to catch on with "creating it".

[@davidjohnson36st]

Yea they did it's common knowledge you can Google the shit or find the shit in book I wrote a paper on hip hop an it's how I found out by doing research some you slow niggas think you know everything without fact checking shit putting big words in yo remedial as text does not make it fact you dork niggas should read more often before you talk on the net some of you idiots really need adult supervision before you post bout shit you don't know anything about

[@CypherDivine]

Creation and participation are not synonymous.

[@randee4550]

@@CypherDivine WTF y'all CREATED???

[@ptahdivine3123]

Just because you was there don't mean you started shit..

[@unclemoneybags1022]

Tell'em

[@macadomusic]

So we're giving props to folks for just being there huh . Ok

[@unclemoneybags1022]

Pretty much... just some onlookers joining.... not inventing or starting it.

[@randee4550]

@@macadomusic WTF y'all CREATE???

[@randee4550]

@@unclemoneybags1022 WTF y'all started, or invented??? NOTHING

[@dantemackey7471]

I guarantee you he lost Shawn Prez the interviewer with that Barbie doll analogy LOL

[@andrewyb830]

yeah he lost me wit that analogy too but, brought it back with the break dancers i would have hoped Joc would have elaborated that hip-hop culture is not just the music but, dance, art and fashion are also part of it

[@paulssebanakitta860]

Yeah that was a reach

[@izzy4o884]

lmao💀

[@andrewilliams9921]

@@andrewyb830 most dont know,when they think hiphop they automatically think rappin and not the other forms of it.

[@jamaaljones765]

Yeah I'm lost on that one too

[@RobSamurai]

You know it's nonsense because I haven't heard one Latino from that era say they "started/created" Hip Hop with the Blacks.. I haven't heard one black person from that era say Latinos help co- create Hip Hop Being present and contributing isn't the same as hosting and creating the idea. People forget all forms of Black music in America was once considered Taboo before it was trending . Blues, Jazz, Rock-N-Roll, Hip Hop etc

[@uptownbladebrown]

You're speaking facts

[@bobthegamer1880]

The father of rap Gil Scott-Heron lived in Puerto Rico and said it himself he was influenced by Puerto Rican culture silly.

[@RobSamurai]

@@bobthegamer1880 what' and who Silly is this Hail Mary reach to connect to claim Latinos created or originated Hip Hop. Latinos contributed and influence but they did not create or originate it. Stop trying to rewrite history to fit a false narrative.. Next ya going to say ya was treated worst than Black people in America.

[@terrencemalone2110]

@@RobSamurai what did they influence or contribute because everything in hip-hop culture is ours we influence the culture not no damn Latino

[@RobSamurai]

​@@terrencemalone2110 lets see as far as influencers in my Opinion I would say. Crazy Legs Prince Markie D Fat Joe/Big Pun Chino XL Mellow Man Ace Beatnuts Cypress Hill N.O.R.E Psycho Realm And without a doubt Immortal Technique !

[@cvbvcbnbvnbgbbgb]

If that’s the case, vanilla ice also helped

[@randee4550]

How so? Which jams in The Bronx, did you attend? I'm curious.

[@infanist3340]

In a way he did, hes everything eminem didnt want to be

[@pastqr]

He lost me with that "white women influenced hip hop" part

[@unclemoneybags1022]

Bcuz he's tweakin' off percs

[@clofresh611]

We are talking about the CREATION not the INFLUENCE!

[@koreyp2845]

Neither creation nor influence. Nobody can name the Latin influences in the foundations of hip hop. The foundations and the influences funk soul music

[@ignaciofuentes2642]

Fat Joe was 5 years old in 1975. The dudes that started hip hop were teens and young adults in 1975. Fat Joe might be from the Bronx but he was not a part of the first generation of hip hop.

[@Silverback219]

They not telling the truth

[@TheJayster571]

But Puerto Rican dj disco wiz was born in 61 and he is credited with creating the mixed plate.

[@koreyp2845]

​@@TheJayster571He didn't create anything

[@gratefulliving4155]

He lost me with the Barbie analogy lol😂

[@4.d.y.w]

Facts lol

[@quik8569]

Thank you lol

[@KamauTheQuietWarya]

Riiiight 😆 Tf u talkn bout, my boy lol

[@CarlosLopez-md1ei]

It started like it Barbed.

[@41prime_]

Yeah he could have use like idk how rappers be trying to be emo punk rockers how originally it was white boys doing that emo but eventually went to rap that so whites had a slight impact on culture that would have been better 😂

[@keithbazemore2182]

How could he be there 73..look at his age bro..1973 Joe was like 3yrs old

[@soramirez5473]

ok but he was there..his moms, his pops his family.. I was born in 1979 jamaica queens but my MOMS and here sisters and brother my gradfather, they lived in the bronx during the 70s. the bronx is MOSTLY puerto rican ESPECIALLY back then and EVEN today. Many puerto ricans ARE black. Joe was PART of that community., so was my moms.

[@majorcriss7482]

@@soramirez5473back then the majority of the Bronx was black fat joe said that himself… And do to gang violence and racism it was segregated except for the few that hung out with Blacks and emulating what they seen them doing… you know good and well Puerto Rican parents didn’t want their kids hanging out with the Morenos… y’all need to stop spreading lies

[@jerseyboyantbrooks2824]

@@soramirez5473no they aren’t Latinos have no nothing to do with the origins of hiphop

[@soramirez5473]

@@jerseyboyantbrooks2824 ive already proven my point. south bronx is mostly puerto rican and black. hip started from the culture in the SOUTH BRONX. Ricans were there. crazy how you guys DONT UNDERSTAND THAT.. . south bronx. south bronx.

[@soramirez5473]

@@jerseyboyantbrooks2824 crazy legs. a puerto rican credited for being one of the first break dancers. Julio 204, credited with being the first hip hop graffiti artist in 1968.. why am i even arguing with you.

[@Rell1388]

Joc needs to start a master class, the way he can articulate a point and break down a subject is impressive. He drops so many gems without even trying

[@nothing-oj1sz]

What? He sounds like mumble mouth hillbilly. FOH.

[@ignaciofuentes2642]

In Coming to America Voice..."You must be crazy." 🤨

[@PardonMyPresence]

Only point he articulated is that being present means you created something. Latinos were there sure. But 2 things are missing from the conversation: 1. It wasn't just any Latino they were Puerto Ricans meaning BLACK LATINOS. 2. Just because you're present doesn't mean you created something. There's documented footage of Crazy Legs saying he learned how to break dance by watching black people.

[@andrewilliams9921]

Like to hear Vlad interview him.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@PardonMyPresence Exactly!!!

[@busymike]

They didn’t “help start it”, a few just participated in it.

[@D_Webb]

Exactly. If that’s the case, where were the Latino rappers?

[@3NYC3]

@@D_Webb he wasnt talking about rappers he was talking about HIPHOP meaning graffiti and breakdancing.

[@3NYC3]

@@D_Webb because the case is he wasnt talking about rappers he was talking about HIPHOP and he was talking about graffiti and Breakdancing

[@down-b8197]

@@3NYC3 Latinos didn't start graffiti or breaking.

[@3NYC3]

@@down-b8197 Did you see anywhere THAT I SAID THIS ?? do you see anywhere THAT I said they STARTED IT ?? don't talk about nothing that a place where you not from or add YOUR own twist on words that i never said

[@bitdigital8052]

Created? NO, Contributed? Yes.

[@TheShop90sKids]

I think that's fair. I look at it like if your'e buying a house and I contributed to the search, help with finances and helped you move in, that's contributing. But it's still your house.

[@reno419rockstar]

In New York maybe. People were rapping in the south before mainstream New York. Rapping on the Johnny Carson show in the 60s. Real rappers. It's 2022, we know hiphop didn't start in the park after dark.

[@rajackson50]

That whole area of Sedwick Ave. is Caribbean Mixed! The Jamaicans say they invented the DJ! 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@damilidgaf98]

DJing, MCing, graffiti, dance, fashion..... that time in the Bronx Latinos and blacks were intermingled Latinos definitely help create hip Hop and that's coming from a 50-year-old black man who was there

[@damilidgaf98]

@@reno419rockstar no maybe about it hip Hop was created in New York. I'm not talking about poetry and wrapping and we started whatever hip Hop as we know it started in the Mecca New York City not disrespecting any of the city or any other information remember is five elements rapping is just 1/5 of hip Hop

[@isitmeeTV]

Just because you bring the ice to the party doesn't mean you helped build the show

[@413slim]

Exactly all the Latin names they are dropping came along in the late 70s to early 80s. Hip hop is about to be 50 next year so that means 73. Don't start yelling about folks from the 80s when the art form had been around for a decade already. If u didn't get down with it until 81 that means u were late to the party

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

Facts😂😂

[@WORKSbaby]

@@413slimthan you can look back before 73

[@sonofogun8351]

That's all a lie hip-hop did not start like that

[@FrancodeChicago]

Do your research

[@sonofogun8351]

@@FrancodeChicago I did & falls

[@TyTy-lb3tt]

I am really enjoying Joc interviews he breaks things down so perfectly ❤

[@southpawkilla9160]

Name me a Hispanic rapper that made songs back in the 80s I’ll wait 😮😢

[@bxboro4662]

Prince Markie D of The Fat Boys

[@413slim]

@@bxboro4662 Fat boys are what 83 or 84? Hip hop is 50yrs old. That's 1973. So anything you did in 83 or 84 was late. We know Latinos contributed but we talked invented. JVC and Panasonic all had versions of the walk man and contributed to it but we know Sony as the inventor. Big difference. The word tricks are intentional

[@roylle6346]

​@@413slimhe asked for 80s. Comprehensive skills are lacking

[@losangeles2769]

Some Puerto Rican were bboys in the 1970s but hip-hop and all of its elements is black American from head to toe. Fat Joe was born in 1970 and hip hop didn't really solidify as a culture/movement until 1975. He may have technically been "there" but was way too young to understand what Kool Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Grandmaster Caz and Africa Bambataa were doing at that time.

[@uptownbladebrown]

People asli have to understand when they say these names like herc...just because ppl like herc and flash became the most popular doesnt mean they were the first to do anything

[@WORKSbaby]

They didn’t even start it

[@franklinclinton7761]

The first Hip Hop MC was coke la Rock a Black American (1973) The first Hip Hop DJ was Grandmaster flowers a Black American from Brooklyn (1968) The first Bboy/break dancers was Lauree Myers aka Trixie a black American. The first bboy crew was the Zulu Kings a black break dancing crew The first Hip Hop Grafitty artist was cornbread another black American All subgenres of Hip hop/Rap be it East coast Rap Westcoast Rap Down South Rap Crunk Miami Bass Trap Chicago drill We’re Created by blacks The hip hop comes originally from Afro American southern music like Jazz Soul Funk blues and Jamaican Raeggea? The slang of hip hop comes from Afro American AAVE Afro American vernacular English which has its roots in Gullah geechie creole. Learn the facts Vlad

[@rajackson50]

The Rapid drum beat Puerto Rican. The Break dancing All of “US” on Sedwick Ave. Bronx NY “Caribbean American. The “Black” People you refer to in the Bronx are from all Nations. I am the “Facts” PaPa! ✊🏿🤷🏾‍♂️

[@melanindevine]

FACTS

[@buckeyes8631]

Facts Latinos were they’re but their culture wasn’t part of the making or start up.

[@on2wheels378]

OK Mr seperate but equal. When it comes down to it. If it wasn't for a white audience, they'd never be hip hop artists with hundreds of millions of dollars. I bet you the same fool that want reparations but discount the fact that the African kings, chiefs had us lined up on the beach waiting for their molasses.

[@robertrios1732]

Wrong.... There wasnt a first... It was firsts. Try again... Stop hiding the past. Im from the Bronx. You are lost

[@alexb5812]

Saying Latinos co-created hip hop just because they were present a bit after its inception is like saying white people co created negro spirituals, jazz and blues just cause they were around. Some blk people have such a fkd up self esteem that they like claiming everyone who benefits off the culture they created. When it comes to negative stereotypes within hip hop culture, it gets blamed on black people. But when we talk about the positive aspects, all of a sudden “everyone created hip hop” “hip hop is multi cultural” “Latinos created hip hop”. Young joc made many good points during this interview but this one was horrible.

[@d3vp131]

More than present. A part of the culture. Grandmaster Cas was Latino dude. So where so many of the others like grand wizard Theodore and his crew. Too many to name. The breakdancers, graffiti, etc were mostly Ricans and White as far as graffiti. DJ’s were Latino and black. In the Bronx, we lived amongst each other. At the time mostly Puerto Ricans, blacks, and a few whites. The first major hip hop song was planet rock. Produced by Arthur Baker, white dude. Next was Run-DMC sucka mc’s produced by Rick Rubin. The rappers were indeed 90% black in the beginning. But some of that 90% was dark skinned Latinos.

[@alexb5812]

@@d3vp131 hip hop was created by black people before “Latinos” participated in it. It was called jungle music by many Puerto Ricans/Dominicans, even the people you claim were involved, said themselves they were criticized for hanging around blacks.

[@alexb5812]

@@d3vp131 stop stealing peoples culture, you don’t see black Americans trying to claim raggaeton, mariachi and salsa

[@truth-justice-judge-death]

Put your dress back on, and those that listen to and uphold his lies put yours on too 😆 🤣

[@monts311]

Nobody said they wasn’t there🤦🏽‍♂️ wat did they create in the genre don’t play dum😂😂😂😂

[@KxngUnkasa5]

How are ya lost at the Barbie?? He saying just bc you don't see the direct correlation to something doesn't mean it didn't affect it.

[@tonyoliver5537]

Black and Latino's birth Hip/Hop and the Rap culture, most of the early rap performances happened in the 'Latin Quarters' in New York.

[@franklinclinton7761]

But the first Hip Hop DJs came from Brooklyn The first bboys were Blacks were in the black parts of South bronx. The first bboy was lauree Myers aka Trixie The first Break dancing crew were the Zulu kings a black break dancing crew The first MC was a black American coke la rock

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

If Puerto Ricans helped birth Hip Hop then how come there no Puerto Rican cultural elements within Hip Hop 🤔

[@tonyoliver5537]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 Sure there Latin influences and elements in HIP HOP , Miami Sound Machine, Trinere and alot of southern rap is electro-funk related to the Latin sound and Amos Larkins who accidentally created "miami bass" while high and drunk in the studio with a stripper is mixed with black and latino.

[@user-gx6sg2dt3v]

🤣 now you just making shit up...

[@Jedi_Black]

@@tonyoliver5537 See now you weirdos are being disrespectful to African American culture…. Your funky azzes didn’t help create anything. You called hip hop jungle music in the beginning.. He’s not ethically African American. African American = descendants of US slavery. Herc (a Jamaican) and Puerto Ricans did NOT help create hip hop, they’re just culture vultures and we’ll be glad when these lies are buried..

[@equitypark1865]

When y’all say Latinos, that should be followed by “especially Puerto Ricans”🇵🇷

[@duart310]

Nah

[@equitypark1865]

@@duart310 NA what? Puerto Ricans SHARED EVERY GHETTO in NYC with blacks since the 50s do ya homework, the South Bronx is little San Juan 🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷

[@jack1uptone963]

Nope ...1 trillion percent a Black American creation. Plain and simple.

[@dboi4952]

Jamaicans invented reggae, Cubans invented salsa music, the Polish invented polka, and black Americans invented hip hop, jazz, rock and roll, blues and RnB

[@charlescosby6065]

Facts though its no denying it smfh at this silly subject, they dont want to give Black Brothers there credit everything is stolen from us from inventions to you name it .

[@bxboro4662]

I believe the argument is what did Latinos create regarding hip-hop? Most ppl know Latinos participated in the genre, but what did they actually bring to the table? Charlie Chase himself said that hip-hop already going on when he decided to jump in it. I think Vlad should invite some of the Latinos from the early days to clear things up!

[@GMY716]

Latinos did not start hip hop

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

Exactly!!!

[@eachoneteachone8320]

See the thing here is, before it was named Hip Hop, it was just a bunch of genres comprised together and done so by the South Bronx gangs during the 1970s They played loudly in the streets using live instruments. A tradition the Puerto Ricans were doing upon their arrival since the 50s. These gangs were made up of Black and Puerto Ricans… Therefore, they began playing together… Chanting in English and Spanish. This chanting was then later done only in English. There were no buttons or keys creating a sound if that’s what you’re thinking. It was an influence from both sides… This is what influenced the founders of Hip Hop that later combined records to improve these sounds. Whatever was brought to the table, was done so with PRs standing besides them. There was/is no separation between the two. Not like other Latinos or Hispanics outside NYC. Puerto Ricans embrace their African roots, whether in the food, music, spiritual practices, and etc. These African derived traditions were carried alongside them within their families, as well as the Jamaican families like Kool Herc’s, from the Caribbean to NYC… Hip Hop is a culture. A South Bronx culture that was forced to become our only culture during poverty in a world you cannot possibly ever imagine. Hip Hop was the best way we smiled together. I never thought it would have gone this far. To the ears of those that don’t have a clue about it’s origin. I honestly thought it was hated by the world outside of NYC and it was never going to blow up the way it did. The elders always said it would eventually die out like all other genres. Black folks outside NYC think there was only a handful of creators not knowing how large the Bronx is and how strong both sides roll together. Today we’re all mixed up in our families.

[@uptownbladebrown]

@@eachoneteachone8320 stop telling these lies online

[@eachoneteachone8320]

@@uptownbladebrown Your opinion means nothing.

[@JarvisArson]

Playing word games. Joe didn’t say “had an influence on” he said CREATED. The difference is the distance between the east and west

[@stokelyture2905]

Cause you were there don't mean you started shit,Joc you wrong

[@aldraias1]

Smh. His age prevents him from being present when it started. We don’t have to be dishonest in order to be proud of what the Latinos did give to hip hop. But it sure wasn’t at inception.

[@Sterling-pt8bd]

All they did was just so happened lived in the Bronx at the same time and participated in it...blacks created every thing about hip hop

[@r.o.bdaczar8979]

Cut the shit already Vlad and Shawn. Hip hop is a culture which evolved from Black AMERICAN CULTURE ⚫️ (PERIOD)

[@cliftonyoung2819]

Latinos jumped on the bandwagon of hip Hop they didn't start s***

[@midnightexp1752]

I understood his Barbie metaphor. Y’all might need to listen again. Lol

[@DatOneGuy901]

they just sleep on nikki

[@richieporter3798]

It made perfect sense 😂

[@sway9044]

Blonde was definitely a white woman who push the culture to the mainstream audience

[@raiderblue4070]

Foundational Black Americans created hip-hop, PERIOD! Everyone else just contributed

[@4.d.y.w]

Influence, yes. Made, curated, created, molded, shape, hip hop hell no cause where they at NOW ????

[@derald614]

You forgetting there are many different parts to hip hop. Dancing, fashion, DJing, rapping, graffiti etc. The Latinos were a big part of of the graffiti and dancing back then. Times have changed and people aren’t pop locking and spray painting much anymore. But they had a hand in the foundation which matters even if times have changed. Hip out didn’t start out as mainly rapping which is what it is now. Even the fashion is somewhat gone cuz we just rock European clothing lines nowadays.

[@Thisdudehere-e6n]

Do you know the 5 elements of hip hop? If u know the five elements and know the the people who contributed to the culture u would say yes. Hip hop is more than just music and branding. It truly had a culture behind it before it became a marketing tool of today.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@Thisdudehere-e6n There are no Puerto Rican cultural elements within Hip Hop tho🤔

[@down-b8197]

@@derald614 Latinos were big in graffiti and breaking after it was already created by Black Americans. They came later they didn't invent/create Graffiti and breaking even the first latinos that was big in those areas admit they got it from Black Americans. Rapping/Breaking came from the south, Graffiti came from philly and DJ'ing was developed by all Black Americans.

[@tiffanyrambo8040]

The fashion came from the Italians not Latinos

[@michaelreynolds2598]

Joc is wrong about white women spitting bars. The first 2 white people to rap in a song was Deborah Harry in Rapture and Tina Marie in Square Biz (both in 1980). Tina even says "no woman can rap like me"

[@marlonbeckford4293]

We didnt say they didnt add to the culture but hip hop was 100% created by FBA.

[@TheIntrovert83]

Thank You!

[@realone7405]

What did they add? That statement alone is a reach.

[@jonwhite549]

Very intelligently put Joc. On the topic of hip hop origins I’ll lean to what kurtis blow, Kool herc, & coke la rock’s have to say over fat joe.

[@js-zf1fu]

Kool herc said Jamaican culture had no influence on hip hop and he didn’t invent it it comes from James brown and funk R&B it was started by black Americans aka US slave descendants

[@shawnstone1164]

Exactly 💯

[@stephendixon2365]

Blondie ~ rapture, better do ya research 🤣 bars! Put hip hop on fr fr

[@bawzbawz]

Fat Joe was 3-years old when Kool Herc was on his come up. Joe was 8-years old when first rap record was commercially released. What does Fat Joe know about the "start" of hip hop music which spawned the culture? Interview Kool Herc and settle this please.

[@RatchetCoon]

If no other group besides FBA chose to participate in Hip Hop Culture it would still be exactly the same as it is today. That makes contributions from all other groups non-factors.

[@3NYC3]

False ! FBA culture doesn't work the same way in NYC as it does in other parts in america. With out NYC culture you wouldnt have HipHop culture HipHop culture is NYC culture. NYC is a melting pot our Black community consist of black Americans west Indian and Latinos adjacent to blackness. This doesn't happen no where else. And yall need to understand this.

[@thatGuyQuincy]

@@3NYC3 ehhh....it's a iffy subject...I'm from the bronx I'm african American or should I say american of naijarian descent (I don't use the term "black american" because it sounds like it comes from a place of division from where people denounce any ties to their african roots)...african americans-afro caribbeans/west indians & latinos live amongst each other in ny but it's not completely love peace & united Ness...you have some strays who been down with the program from jump street but alot I always felt try to connect if it's beneficial..other then that despite living amongst each other ALOT push for them & their own section..west indians usually with west indians, latinos rock with latinos ..I never had a problem with latinos but I know plenty of aa who despite growing up around them never messed with them threwout their history(some of them being in they 60s & 70s now) same with west indians & looking at them as "nasty attitude foreigners"(not My words)..african americans are more hands on & will participate in other people community events(aa attending jouvert or puerto rican day/dominican parades...however when it used to come to african day festivals in harlem for african americans...outside of a few stray pan african jamaicans the rest never really was apart of )...so yeah its not all well

[@RatchetCoon]

@@3NYC3 FBA culture works the same everywhere!! Majority of NYC hip hop pioneers migrated from the Carolinas anyway. NYC may be a melting pot put each group has their own culture and Hip Hop culture was created exclusively by Foundational Black Americans. All other races we’re nothing more than participants and witnesses and that is the exact reason NONE of them are as prominent as the director descendants of the culture.

[@RatchetCoon]

@@thatGuyQuincy Excuse me but Foundational Black Americans are NOT African so we are divided from Africans because we are not the same. We are a distinct group with a specific legacy and bloodline that has nothing to do with Africa.

[@thatGuyQuincy]

@@RatchetCoon lol aight

[@filanike5772]

Naaah that’s how everything black folks established gets diluted. Just because they were there where it started doesn’t mean they contributed to it.

[@bossalinedezz]

Joc be on bootlick time so what he says means nothing .

[@CakeFace86]

Lol he knows good and well they didn't have a thing to do with creating hip hop.

[@unclemoneybags1022]

Right

[@3NYC3]

I've come to the co conclusion that people outside of THE EAST COAST dont understand there's 5 elements in hip hop and when yall hear hip hop it's just rap music.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

But all 5 elements of Hip Hop were created by FBA'S tho🤔

[@BoricuaNyc]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 No they weren’t 😂

[@jaytaylor6737]

There were no Spanish MCS back then you had to be spitting bars to help create something not saying that they weren't there because they was dancing and doing graffiti which did help out a lot but did not create . damn we can't have shit on this planet

[@kzfive]

You must be young. Ever hear about MC Ruby Dee= Puerto Rican MC from The Fantastic 5 from The Bronx

[@jaytaylor6737]

@@kzfive when did they come out with music because I was born in 1981 and when pioneers of HipHop talk about the early days fantastic five never come up.. KRS-One

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@kzfive Whip and Ruby Dee didn't start MC'in until the late 70's, Now stop that 🧢

[@eachoneteachone8320]

@@jaytaylor6737 I think everyone acknowledges Black American talent, inventors, and diasporic values... Tho Hip Hop IS NOT just a Black American genre for it is a South Bronx Culture. When saying "culture," we're talking those that lived it and created it, which by all means, we're talking both Blacks and Boricuas here. Hip Hop began by the gangs of the BX, all Pioneers admitted to being inspired by them. These gangs like "The Ghetto Brothers" had both Boricua and Black members. Boricuas are not Mexicans nor any other Latinos that refuse to acknowledge their African ancestry involving the Afro-Caribbean culture, whether in our food, language, music, and etc. Ya would know if ya were there. It is a BRONX NY culture... There are many PR Pioneers like John Mr. Magic Rivas, Shabba Doo, Charlie Chase (the man that openly admitted to adding Salsa into Hip Hop to make us dance to it,) Prince Whipper Whip, Disco Wiz, Ruby Dee, Pumkin, and etc. etc... That's not including the millions of unsung artists throughout the BX. The BX is not a small neighborhood like up in those country homes ya from. Ya just going by a few kids that threw the best parties and then took it to the studios. Although Kool Herc, Afrika Bambattaa, Grand Master Flash, Red Alert, Doug E Fresh, Slick Rick, Uncle Luke, Monie Love, and even Tribe Called Quest are ALLL from the Caribbean. Check out; Jeff Chang's Can't Stop Won't Stop, the book that first brought word of how Hip Hop began. Not just graffiti nor breakdancing neither... In the year 1900, Puerto Rico had what today is called rap. Plena music, they rapped in Plena music. Whether hardcore or sort of sang while rapping like today's Hip Hop. Take Drake as an example. Check out the videos, right here on YT. Even in Salsa they rap and freestyle... This music created in the year 1900 also brought upon the "drum-machine" into Hip Hop... The clave, the maracas, the cowbell, and the drums. All in that drum machine from 1959. Without the drum-machine, there wouldn't have been any Hip Hop don't you think? Bomba music; 1600s Puerto Rico. Where you think the percussions in Hip Hop came from? Juan Flores writes in the book From Bomba to Hip-Hop : "Puerto Rican culture and Latino identity, children of parents who were colonial immigrants used PLENA rap and TAINO breakdancing to express their feelings and emotion. The music grew and evolved off the previous generation style and techniques, linking themselves back to the indigenous Puerto Rican and Caribbean island Taino traditions. The Puerto Rican community adopted traditions from other cultures and imbed the new ideas into their own creating a culture which is seen today through the links of music and dance." If you search up Bomba dancing here on KZbin, you will clearly see Boricuas of all colors dancing to Bomba, a dance in which the percussionists would follow the dancer. There's a freeze during the dance, the same freeze used in the "Electric Boogie." Breakdancing began with the Boogaloo inspiration, I'm sure you're fully aware of Boogaloo music and how it was created by the Puerto Ricans during the 1950s. James Brown used to Boogaloo during the 1960s... Well they also rapped in Boogaloo music. "Bomba, Boogaloo, Electric Boogie, Boogie Down Bronx!"

[@eachoneteachone8320]

Check out Afro pop. It's a compound word, YT keep deleting it. The Ghetto Brothers' story of Hip Hop's purpose is in there... Power Fuerza Written by Sam Backer, a Black man.

[@SoulOfTheSouth]

He didn’t know that?! Wtf 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@efitlife]

He lost me with Barbie lol

[@louisianacookingwithkay]

3:35 Right! I remember Lil Kim's song "The Jump Off" she was like "black Barbie dressed in Bulgari. I'm trynna leave in somebody's Ferrari"

[@CJ-vh2hf]

Yes, let’s stop trying to separate, but fat Joe was dead wrong. They contributed to the beginnings of hip-hop, but they did not start hip-hop or create hip-hop! Again, attendance and contribution does not equal creation!! I’ve been following hip-hop from the beginnings. There’s many videos from the original creators of hip-hop that was done even years ago before fat Joe, and busta rhymes, taking anything away from Latino‘s, or Jamaicans, or anybody else but let’s keep it 100. The reason why people can come out and say things like this is because we never stand up and we don’t research our own history. We think our artists are old even after they’ve been out for five years let’s keep it above like the dollar store and stop agreeing with everybody just because they have a platform or make a statement! 🎤

[@NatHenrickClarke]

Influence is not the same as creating

[@therealshevyb]

This man is just great at interviews 👏 👏

[@chuck9380]

I heard you are great in ___?

[@thegrandcanyonisegypt2489]

is this the ninja from I Got A Story To Tell, good episode 😂👍🏽

[@Hustlerclub203]

After all he said I’m like WHAT!!???!!!

[@losvortex10]

Hip hop when created consisted of DJs, mcs, graffiti artist, and b boys.He already said the Rock Steady Crew but then you also have Charlie Chase with the cold Crush as there DJ. Its sad that in the states puerto ricans still getting looked over which is a big mistake.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

Puerto Ricans had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of Hip Hop, That's just a fact. Why do y'all always wannabe represented in FBA culture tho🤔

[@BoricuaNyc]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 You mad because we helped create the 5-Elements of hip hop culture 🗽🇺🇸🇵🇷🇯🇲🗽🇺🇸🇵🇷🇯🇲🗽

[@tiffanyrambo8040]

Because FBAs in NY have allowed PRs to come and take over their neighborhood, schools and everything else

[@disla__]

I was about to say hell no they were there a bit after but the more info we collect, it points at the beginning. The elements of hip hop. The rappers were mostly black mc.

[@Davo32310]

Latinos didn't help create hip hop, hip hop would exist with or without them. Hip Hop derives from Black American genres such as r and b, funk, soul, jazz, etc absolutely no hispanic influence

[@dumbdiddle]

Damn Joc. That Barbie example was a rrrrreeeeaaaaaccccchhhhhhh

[@Overqualified1]

It wasn't a reach. He broke influence down to the least common denominator. So I understand how most y'all got lost. Hell, yall probably don't even know wtf that is anyway. Slow ass society we live in. All these blonde headed black women walking around and y'all wanna play stupid.

[@ijamDiabolicSounds]

Mark Mac well said! 💯

[@worldwidestreets8649]

Lets be clear , Hip Hop is Black Culture!!! If u from NYC where Graffiti, BBoying, Djing, and MCing was originated then u already know that Latinos was right there , even white people especially in Graffiti. This needs no further explanation to people thats from the City. Just like u cant separate the Mexican Culture from LA Hip Hop Culture. Everybody knows this is Black Culture obviously, Black Culture consists of African, Caribbean, Latino and American culture. Once again those that know this really dont need explaining....

[@traybae2_]

Fat Joe ain’t even old enough to have been around and on the scene when hop hop began

[@kylesmall6064]

He might be. Fat Joe's first album cam out in 1993. In 93, hip hop was still fairly young in a corporate America sense.

[@BLACK_MikeHammer]

💯% Facts.. Joey crack was born in 1970… In hip hop's formative years(1973- about 78') he would have been too young to really witness hip hop's development. Maybe attended some block parties or something, other than that he wasn't there.. Thats cap.. Puerto Ricans(mostly) were definitely on the scene because they lived side by side with black people in the South Bronx and other parts of the Bronx, how much they contributed to the early culture is up for grabs.. People can argue about that all day everyday, but they were in the middle of the action, and played a significant role but at the emd of the day FBA were the inventors and creators, with west indians also having major influences on early hip hop

[@Cris-ge4yl]

The smartest answers I’ve heard this far.

[@timmyggztv]

Yung Joc never disappoint his fans talking about Fat Joe

[@jerrybandz9164]

Lmao this the first time he ever talked bout him

[@b.k.a.thegoldenchild2305]

Yung Joc and Fat Joe should've collabed together

[@bigmattatx764]

Did anybody else hear "Flat Joe?" 😂

[@nothin_but_luv4ya990]

Loved this whole interview!!!!

[@imserious2187]

Man, joc is dropping gems on this interview

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

What😂😂😂😂

[@user-gx6sg2dt3v]

🤣 they'll praise anybody that says nonsense

[@webb3251]

Latinos did not have nothing to do with the start of hip hop they copied look at there culture no swag present we don’t want ur culture Just because u was there DONT mean u helped start it no YALL didn’t Not at all

[@calsarchandler6851]

Puerto Ricans have always been right there! I’m from Jersey, been Hip Hop all my life, and there have always been Puerto Ricans involved, always 😑

[@Hborn]

Facts, Newark in the house

[@calsarchandler6851]

@@Hborn CMD ✊🏾

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

Been there doing what tho? Because they damn didn't have anything to do with the creation of Hip Hop, That's just a fact 💯

[@calsarchandler6851]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 MCing, Break dancing, graffiti, all aspects! From Day 1!

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@calsarchandler6851 Then how come there are no Puerto Rican cultural elements within Hip Hop whatsoever 🤔

[@GodSon91]

Young joc all over the place that Barbie take is wilddddd bruh 😂😂😂😂

[@VaughnHaynes]

The issue is not about influence. Yes, there have been a lot of cultures that have influenced modern hip-hop. Fat Joe said they created it. That is very different.

[@kylesmall6064]

If Latinos didn't create it, that had to help co create it. If anyone is of hip hop age and grew up in NYC, this is definitely known. As a black man I must say that Latinos were definately there and heavily participating. Alot of breakers and Graff writers were Latino. Style Wars, Wild Style and even Beat Street although it's a feature film that tells the story shows a huge mix of Blacks and Latinos in early hip hop culture.

[@MiloAKAFlaco]

@@kylesmall6064 💯 and also it’s how brown and black bonded heavily on growing up in those days.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@MiloAKAFlaco Huh😂😂😂

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@kylesmall6064 How are they co creators when there are no Puerto Rican cultural elements within Hip Hop 🙄

[@down-b8197]

@@kylesmall6064 What did Latinos co create? All the puerto Ricans that participate in breaking and graffiti all said where they got it from and admitted they got it from Black Americans not Puerto Rico.

[@dewaynepatrick6794]

Boys ain't ready to receive what Joc is putting down.....

[@foranyandevery7656]

Yung Joc admitting to being clueless to Hip Hops inception negates all of the d-riding for b*stard cultures that he did after wards. Joe practiced revisionist history and people provided receipts (Mario, Green Eyed Geenie, etc.). Joe shut 'All The way Up' ever since.

[@IriaChannel]

He actually understands how culture works

[@suprememoonbeam4986]

You have to know the NYC landscape to understand what Fat Joe said. In NYC, latinos and blacks live in the same communities and have similar cultures. The latinos in NYC mostly come from the Caribbian and are black or are mixed black themselves. In a lot of other cities, the latino population is mostly Mexican, and they mingle in their own communities. If you from another region of the country and never been to NYC, you not gonna understand the vibe. NYC is a melting pot of a lot of cultures.

[@ManManYaheard]

Facts they even considered as blacks same wit the Mexicans in the Bay Area Oakland they considered blacks also they be mad cool like the Latin in NYC

[@Hborn]

I used to go uptown in 91

[@soundwavsonny]

I'm from Philly we got the same setup and the Latinos wasn't there. Idk what yall talkin bout. Starting and supporting because your around it is 2 different things. Imma let yall be crazy though😵‍💫

[@3NYC3]

@@soundwavsonny NYC is not philly tho. You dont have the same setup as us I went to school in philly and this when I started to realize that NYC it is own world.

[@3NYC3]

Facts. Even down the the way we speak. It's a mixture of ( Dutch, southern black, west indian, Spanglish, irish and Italian) All that " ayo what's up " that's called paisano slang from the Italians! black and latino people took that and created their own style of it before Italians started becoming WHITE and moving away from blacks in the 1940s/50s

[@soundwavsonny]

Fat Joe a damn lie😂😂😂 he wanted to be down then and still wana be down😂. Yall better stop fuckin playin lol

[@soundwavsonny]

Ok joc smokin smh

[@abird3140]

What I can't accept is Lations siding with our enemies! And influencing is not starting. ✌️

[@3NYC3]

Where you from ? Latinos from nyc are very different from these other parts of america.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@3NYC3 If that were true then the UBN wouldn't even exist 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@jonathancowley1758]

This why them old African people we come from said "know thy self" cause Joc could be convinced that Fat Joe wasn't telling a fat lie

[@tiffanyrambo8040]

Right

[@tnt718]

Wtf Joc talking bout y'all. 😂😂

[@unclemoneybags1022]

Some bullshit

[@Letitbetold2024]

They were there but they didn’t create hip hop. Period.

[@A.Hamp79]

Still don't make it 50 50

[@San_Simon247]

How TF you didn't understand that barbie comparison 😂😂😂

[@1017JS]

Just because they were THERE doesn’t mean they helped start Hip Hop. That could mean that they saw something dope in the works, and was drawn to it. But I don’t know because I wasn’t there, so it’s possible.

[@user-gx6sg2dt3v]

Naw the two communities were very divided then. They didn't create nor contribute shit.

[@wwrecords1]

😤Stop telling the LIE about Latinos starting HipHop. Blacks Americans started all aspects of HipHop and Latinos JOINED US.

[@timmyggztv]

Yung Joc one of the greatest of all time this guy a legend for real

[@lavishlylatonia]

No bruh blacks were rapping before fat joe was born💯

[@sethhoward9300]

This dude speaks the most common sense out of a lot of celebrities. Ppl speak with ignorance when they tell someone of the opposing race that they can’t say or speak on something as if they “own” whatever it is being discussed. Ppl were calling fat joe a culture vulture and all this other bs because he made that comment as if they were there themselves from the start. The entitlement of some ppl is so ridiculous

[@jordanflores5687]

THANK U FINALLY!!!!!!

[@EnlightenedCreativeNomad]

Just watch the movie Beat Street or Breaking.

[@kzfive]

People need to understand that there were Latino Mc's and Dj's {not many in the early days) There was Dj Charlie Chase that was Puerto rican. Also MC Ruby Dee from the Fantastic Five. As for BBoying it was started by Black people and then picked up by the Latinos. As for the Graffiti part, graffiti was always there way before Hip Hop. It was just integrated into Hip Hop later on. If you ask the Graffiti Writer SEEN from the Bronx who is an Italian and one of the best to do it I might add, he says he has nothing to do with Hip Hop. Many graffiti writers didnt even listen to rap or dressed like us.

[@bigsnkby1]

Latinos wasn’t fucking with hip hop at first that was from the mouth of Charlie chase.

[@3NYC3]

Italians had the graffiti scene on lock on the 4 and 6 lines. they're arent talked about enough because of whiteness.

[@3NYC3]

@@bigsnkby1 Black people wasnt either there's this myth going around like every black person was supporting it.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@3NYC3 You tethers are always trying to crowbar other groups into FBA culture smh

[@3NYC3]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 " Tethers " you not tariq nasheed you didn't even use that until he started saying that your a grown ass man without your own thoughts lol! ... since Jamaicans and Ricans are crowbaring! lets talk about NYC shit since you know so much When the FBA Business was getting extorted by the Irish/Italians in Harlem! guess who had to come to the rescue and chase them out the neighborhood ? The Jamaicans and Ricans... FBA was on some we shall overcome shit as always and it was the Jamaicans that came with the ak47's and uzi's and Chased them out! When it was the CRACK ERA and the ITALIANS AGAIN! and THE Racist Latinos wasn't letting Black Americans get no money! guess who had to supply y'all and let y'all get money with us ? The Jamaicans And the Black Dominicans! in 2020 during the pandemic when people were doing riots in NYC the 3 black kids got chased out the LATINO neighborhood! GUESS WHO PULLED UP HAVING EVERYONE APOLOGIZE AND SHAKING/SHIVERING ON CAMERA! THE NEXT DAY! THE JAMAICANS AND HAITIANS YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT NYC OR NYC CULTURE... THAT FBA SHIT DONT EXIST UP HERE... NEW YORKERS DONT EVEN CARE ABOUT THEIR SOUTHERN ROOTS lmao! goofy!

[@carbondated21]

The issue is joe said 50/50. Yall gotta do research before u speak.

[@KMAK-um3cw]

Lol lost me when he brought in Barbie… 🤣🤦🏽‍♂️

[@cjbrown420]

Yo I couldn’t rock with that one 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

[@TheHuztlazgreed]

Somewhere in the world there’s an album about to emerge who’s a Nicki Minaj fan is about to drop an album entitled Barbs Bars 👀

[@peerless419]

Seriously, this Brotha needs a regular stint on something. Title: “Let’s Ask Joc”. His frequency penetrates across generations.

[@rajackson50]

You the outcome of all that Hip Hop mixing! 😂😂😂😂✊🏿✌🏿🇵🇷🇺🇸🇧🇧🇯🇲🇩🇴!

[@damilidgaf98]

remember he did not say rap.... he said hip hop they're five elements to Hip Hop... rapping is only one element so yes Latinos especially Puerto Ricans did have an intricate part in the creation of hip Hop if you can't tell me the five elements off the top of your head then you can't tell me the Latinos didn't help start hip hop...

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

But all of the elements of Hip Hop were created by FBA'S, So what exactly did Puerto Ricans bring to the table 🤔

[@damilidgaf98]

@@melanatedwarrior3530 this conversation has no definitive end.... and in the end has no objective reason than to keep score.... hip hop is bigger than all that now... we should respect our Roots learn where we come from Latinos and blacks were heavily involved in their creation of hip Hop.. by numbers they were many more blacks in New York than they were Latinos.... there would be more black people dancing the Latinos because they're more black people but they were all dancing together they were all part of the culture....

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@damilidgaf98 This conversion is definitely needed because we have ppl falsely claiming FBA culture as their own and now we're finally gatekeeping and putting a stop to the BS.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

@@damilidgaf98 Again.... If latinos helped create Hip Hop, Then how come there are no Puerto Rican cultural elements within Hip Hop??????? Stop deflecting and jyst answer the question smh

[@JAMES79HOWLETT]

Big pun

[@terry2211]

Influence and "Creating" are two different things. Example Whites "CREATED" the NBA, but blacks have had a major influence and Impact on the sport.

[@kylesmall6064]

Dudes in here debating hip hop history like true historians and may not even know that Kay Slay (RIP) was in Style Wars.

[@melanatedwarrior3530]

Huh😂😂😂😂

[@camtho7117]

Y’all wylin 😂 the Barbie analogy wasn’t hard to understand BUT his point was influence instead of creation but I get what he was saying even tho that’s not the point of discussion 🤣.