Vlog #29 - Nations, States, & Nation States

In which the Nerdwriter brackets a sad subject with animal crackers. Special thanks to James Sheehan. One course down!
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[@tashmimbegum5807]

I'm watching this in 2020 to understand what Nation States are for a paper and thank this really helped!

[@Huck1873]

Pretty cool how did you do

[@paulinegyamfi8620]

same!

[@tashmimbegum5807]

@@Huck1873 got an A!!

[@Icedpumpkinchailatte]

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[@hobosapien3287]

A nation is a group characterized by a common culture/history. Eg.the Maori. A state is a sovereign governing polity. Eg. New Zealand. A nation state is therefore a sovereign governing polity characterized by a common culture/history. Eg. Japan

[@blackprince3577]

how common does the culture have to be? And to what extent does the history have to be shared to be valid?

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

ThisIsMyRealName Canada doesn't consider itself to be a nation-state.

[@rockrl98]

Common enough? The more diverse they grow, the more autonomy they should have... no?

[@rockrl98]

Is there really? There might be variations, but from what I've heard, Japan is really quite japanese. Singapore is not a nation-state, it is a colonial/imperial cosmopolitan city-state, or something like that.

[@mdougf]

Thx!

[@ChickbabeC1]

Every week I learn from you and I am blown away by how insightful you are about your topics. I just can't believe how far you have come from your first video and I am impressed every week by your thoughts. Thank you for making me think and making me into a better person because of it.

[@jurryaanyy]

this has got to be your best video yet. I'm a history and geography nerd and still you taught me something. sending this through to my friends for sure.

[@chuk987654321]

I like you. You aren't some boring, old professor trying to explain this, but a young guy who can break down a complex subject such as this one, and many others like it, and teach those of us who are uneducated in that subject. I always come away from your videos with a new thought or idea in my mind that I want to discuss, but nobody around me shares the same enthusiasm. I wish there was a whole website of people like you, and a forum to disuss said topics. I could lose myself in such a site.

[@user-vj1rr5sj9q]

It goes without saying! Well done bro I really appreciate your smooth and clear explanation.

[@DaftAnime]

these vlogs are inspirational I live in Ireland and whether you're discussing America, the world, literature or human nature thank you for doing what you do it always helps me

[@seanconway5079]

Thank you very much for using Ireland as example, things in the north can be difficult but its important to us to remember that theres not much difference between our two religious groups

[@alexhasnobudget]

The information in this video is absolutely golden thank you🙌

[@TeslaLife]

I spent Evan's first 20 years or so trying to teach him all that I know and now the tables have turned and I'm learning from him on youtube!

[@kabamfatu6654]

Thank you very much for such an amazing video

[@sevenswanson]

It is amazing that we have an outlet in which we can speak our minds without judgement--or at least without peer pressure. Yes, that causes people to say awful things. But it also enables us to discuss complicated topics with respectful peers and not feel like everyone in the room is judging us or not smart enough to understand.

[@godpenuel]

What a brilliant piece ❤️

[@NPDebs]

Almost 7 years later and this video is still relevant. Thank you so much!! 🥺🤍🤍🤍

[@georgewagih7453]

Dude, you are great. That really helped me.❤️

[@iammrbeat]

I am so happy I stumbled across you.

[@erikeriks]

How did I find you

[@fkatherine]

I got so excited when I saw you had a new vlog, and I got x100000 more excited when I saw the map of Ireland :D It's nice to know that people that aren't from Northern Ireland or the Republic actually care :)

[@CRZYCalindian]

Reddit showed me your videos, and man are they good. They get me thinking, and I like that.

[@kudospraze]

Best intro ever. I like the fact that even though you make intellectual content, you can still make me laugh. :)

[@Nerdwriter1]

I think as a community we should message John Green to do a collaboration with me. Thoughts?

[@refinapuspita129]

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[@jaojao1768]

Nerdwriter1 yes

[@henryhopemcclennen4706]

Amazing explanation !!

[@virendervirender8760]

very nice explanation with suitable examples

[@dani-dd2my]

thanks so much for this.

[@tastetheraiiinbow]

I wish you were my prof, I couldn't understand anything he was saying and im so grateful I stumbled upon this.

[@zrzk]

Took me back to my International Relations class. Great video, as always.

[@TheAcmilan82]

Thank you. Great video

[@poyraztahan]

You had a rough start man the way are right now is way better

[@NawidN]

WHAT A MARVELOUS IDEA.

[@Ryanzoid]

These videos are so good. How do you only have 6,000 subscribers. Oh my god.

[@hussainaziz9646]

Great video!!

[@mylolalex84]

Fab! Thanks for that!

[@altothex9648]

Nerdwriter for president!

[@K05H]

Always wondered what was the deal with the Kurd's. A bit of insight always makes a Google search more rewarding.

[@NewtralHuman]

@5:23: "What are the remedies, when you have 2 peoples living in a territory to which both can lay claim. Territories which are part of their history, their family history." What exactly is the difference in this history between the aboriginal Palestinian (Jews, Christians and Muslims) and the Caucasian settlers? All you really need is the moral/intellectual courage (which you seem to possess) to talk about the Balfour Declaration, just like you eloquently dissect any other issue. @5:35 This is the one thing we can do as an international community to understand the history and example of the Balfour Declaration which is the cause of the mess. Then we need to apply the same medicine as we applied to the apartheid problem in South Africa. It's really that straightforward.

[@MyDogTank]

@gombost I see that now, thanks for pointing it out. However, a decloration is only affective if all nations sign onto it and abide by it. I guess that's the rub. Like here in the US we think of ourselves as Americans before we think of ourselves as New Yorkers or Iowens. We need to think were "Earthlings" above all other divisions before the tide can raise all our boats.

[@sandhyaswarnkar4029]

Thanks u really helped me out to understand the topic

[@Njennings42]

I've watched about 40 seconds so far, subscribed.

[@darlingisasdarbydoes]

I would love to see you two have debates on random topics. I would not know what to do with myself.

[@bunga_raya96]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL. great job man! quick thought though, I don't think Kurds are the largest ethnic group without a nation state of thier own, considering that there are 70 million Marathis without a Marathi state, 70 million Tamils without a Tamil state, 40 million Sindhis without a Sindhi state, and 40 million Sikhs without a Sikh state. (All figures are from Wikipedia and may be wrong/biased). I'm pretty sure that there are other sizeable ethnic minorities in Africa and China. Hope this offers some perspective.

[@birnallybirnally5696]

harmit Singh finally i breathed little bit good there are larger nations than us. I’m kurd

[@korakys]

I see two outcomes: 1. _Status quo_, with violence until genocide is completed. 2. Partition, enforced settlement based on cultural characteristics.

[@theladyLizzieJade]

Cute nerds are literally the best. Thanks for this amazing video. I'm studying for my final. :j

[@NPDebs]

Welll...technically, all nerds are cute. 🙈🤍

[@DaftAnime]

you have my support

[@she_iz_ice7894]

I felt so much pain listening to your vlog starting from the J. S Mill part. Nigeria is facing problems of both sovereignty and nation (the many 'peoples'). As you so rightly called it, it has become a growing, 'endemic' monster. 😥

[@crisameim]

I love the intro XD

[@martinteetow]

loved intro got to say

[@Videotsifo]

I do the same, then i rewatch and rewatch and rewatch.

[@123456789robbie]

why oh why does this not get more views?

[@kildareire]

Interesting that you use the term "North Ireland," most people do not. The Protestant community might say: I live in Britain, and the Catholic community might say: I live in the North of Ireland (not recognising the authority of the UK State verbally). Peace in the North came about in 1998 after the Good Friday Agreement (unsure where your reference to 2007 comes from)? I also appreciate that you have made a point about the ill treated minority Catholic community. The majority of 'The Troubles' as we call them, revolved around civil rights in an apartheid state. Most people don't know that. You could also make a similar claim about the apartheid state of Israel today. The other issue in the Troubles was reunification for the Catholic community, which many are still working toward. The issue in the North of Ireland, however, is reawakening because of the loss of power experienced by the Protestant community, over the last 15 years, since civil rights were achieved. Keep up the good work!

[@MaggieNeedham]

Yes please. That would be awesomesauce.

[@lolofdoom]

well said. well said.

[@twoofakindmagic]

best.intro.yet

[@ikwilkijkenverdomme]

you are a smart man and I say this only because I agree with you and I consider myself smart as well. Master at home; equal abroad.

[@Teo_Ferreira]

Bro, can you PLEASE share with me the reference of the John Stuart Mill citation (3:07)??? What book and page is it? I'm using it on my thesis but need the reference. URGENT. Thank you so much and good looks on the video.

[@Nerdwriter1]

It's from "On Liberty," close to the beginning I think.

[@Teo_Ferreira]

Nerdwriter1 Brilliant

[@Teo_Ferreira]

BTW my thesis is on Israel and Palestine. I see you briefly mentioned their situation to emphasize your main topic. Though, I think I speak for all of your fans, including myself, when I plead: Make your next Vlog # on Israel & Palestine! May we boost our expectations? lol

[@faith1994ify]

Matheus Ferreira Hey did you find the reference of the John Stuart Mill citation? I've looking for it but I can't find the page number

[@Teo_Ferreira]

Unfortunately, no faith1994ify ! Nerdwriter1 THINKS it should be in the beginning but I searched the entire book and still haven't gotten a hold. :( If you find it, please share.

[@SkylarBlooom]

0:08 anyone else getting that STRONG nostalgia from that one RED BALL game? 💀💀💀

[@katharinanachname4271]

First 3 seconds = big mood

[@booknerd12345511]

You should talk about micro nations sometime :) im not sure why but i find micro nations very interesting

[@peggyloveoscar]

you have such a cute laughter :3

[@amoqori5]

you are highly smart bro

[@ayesha-bl9to]

hahahaha, it was quite useful ,but yiu scared me at the end ,LoL

[@MudHut67]

Also, meant to say that the source of these problems IS the state.

[@littlemittromney]

just want you to know that your video was an assigned text for my international relations 270 class

[@TheJosephPrice]

To keep it short and sweet, "State" refers to the Government itself(Institutions,etc) where as "Nation" generally refers to the people. Usually a common language, race, history,etc. Although in Multicultural nations such as The U.S and Canada, the race part isn't always the case.

[@jez507]

Joseph Price thank you for this

[@bentn13]

I always want to share these videos, but don't know exactly with whom...this one I'm putting on a pinboard :)

[@RockinTheBassGuitar]

I agree. Our differences aren't inherently divisive; it's the excesses of certain people that bring division and violence.

[@Templedelagloire]

Question of sovereignty - skip hobbes, locke, rousseau - straight on to USA, only thing that matters!!!!

[@ryandirkyoung6270]

you do realize that Lockean political philosophy was foundational to American political philosophy. Jefferson himself cited Locke for a great deal of his thought.

[@ryoko7916]

William, what are you doing?? And his reply... Well actually I managed to keep most of them in. O.o;; honestly I don't think that reply answered her question lol

[@jimmyryan5880]

I have to say you nailed Northern Ireland. People outside of Ireland think of it as a religious thing when it's more about national identity. The religion is just one of many differences the people use to tell each other apart. Flags being another one.

[@philosophicalminds.]

excellent

[@vladimirlenin843]

This map is so old that south Sudan doesn't exist yet

[@swanijam]

I come from a Catholic Irish family who left Ireland too long ago for me to know anything about why. I call myself American, and I don't really think about religion very much. My people is really anyone who might see the value in this video, especially patrons of the internet, and most of us don't really need a state to be a people. just a thread of youtube comments and a social network.

[@inkstersco]

I thought 'nation state' was seldomly used unthinkingly. I thought 'nation state' was always used in a way that emphasises the distinction from 'nation' from 'state'. It's 'country' which confuses the ideas of nation and state.

[@guitarscholar]

These older videos are good, but they make me cringe at the antics!

[@rejohnvincent3067]

How u feel about this idea after visiting India? Like to know about it..

[@DaftAnime]

By the way I'm forced to learn about the Irish state in depth thank you for not messing up my history like I see many Americans do

[@ryanomeara8960]

You might want to revise the map of Ireland. It's completely inaccurate! It's a minor detail, but it was harder to get it wrong than get it right. Also, a bit of revision on Irish history might not go astray if you're going to use it as an example.

[@SerkanDarende]

This guy needs to run for president..... of the world.

[@sforero305]

seriously.... run for president

[@jimmyjrgoins6113]

Shout out to Ms. Perez

[@sebastiendumont1082]

I just did a project on the kurds of turkey and I came to the same conclusion as you. The longer the conflict is, the harder it is to fix because the violence implements itself in the next generations.

[@KittyLover9000Z]

He's a human Hyena.

[@MrMonshez]

What makes people, a people? My answer to that question is their State hence nation state

[@free7orman245]

So handsome

[@cplatner60]

Nationstate is an online political simulator by Max Barry

[@gaius_diem]

This is the only channel that I make sure to right something on the comments. Always something like "AWESOME VIDEO". It's getting annoying... Will try to think on something. AWESOME VIDEO

[@ICHnaemonidae]

On it...

[@Twiggle33333]

He doesnt say it like that ... but its always kinda on that tone towards the end ... it doesnt irritate me... but when his views go up ( wich i'm sure they eventually will ) . thats gonna be the main complaint... cuz the rest is superb

[@pokoirlyase5931]

Interestin'insight, but do the people really need to have the same identity to consider themselves a nation. A good example of this is Morocco, a multi-ethnic nation ruled by a state. Berbers and Arabs, even though devided by history and origin, and also ethnicity, consider themselves moroccans in a deep sense. Even language is not the same. While berbers speak Rifi, Shalha and other minor dialects and Arabs the same, you never really feel that there is a "them". Or at least no "them" in a xenophobic or outsider sense.

[@gaycarddealer8371]

Its not necessary for their to be only one ethnic group in the country in order for them to be an operable country. By definition maybe but multi ethnic nations can work. But mainly if they become multi national. Switzerland for example has made it work. They posted several official languages and have local governments tending to the affairs of the many ethnic groups. They maintain peace throughout the country. By definition they may not be a single unified nation, but they are a multi ethnic state that has been able to make peace without these solutions that have been proposed.

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

Pokoirl YaSe Nations don't need to have states for them.

[@chipiy172]

how should we? email? just youtube? or somewhere else?

[@pieman8200]

what's the song at the beginning?

[@lindapalson4994]

I'm talking about the state's here in the United States which ones are sovereign.

[@starrynights1321816]

YES YES YES YES YES YES

[@marksnezi5564]

i think you are wrong. I think after the industrial revolution and with the increase in production the bourgeois wanted to protect their markets so they came up with a solution to draw up borders. This was the nation state. when their production exceeded the demands of their markets they had to come up with a new solution to sell their products, the solution was consumer societies without borders. Like the EU. multiculturalism played a big part. Nationalism was used as a means of wealth trans

[@adamegan4023]

This is obviously an old video, but since Brexit there have been even more talks between the Republic and Northern Ireland and it was accepted by the EU leaders at a Brexit summit just this week that Ireland will be a whole nation once again, the North may rejoin the republic. I am Irish (from the republic) and have no religious views I am neither Catholic nor Protestant, but this could lead the way for other Nation States to solve their differences peacefully, I never ever thought this would happen in my life time!

[@jojie0401]

Arh. His voice is to calm to understand.

[@jamaalsmikley2j.272]

1:49 King Big Show

[@mralekito]

It's interesting that people often say it was the 'southern' Catholic Ireland. This is not even geographically correct. The most northern part of the island of Ireland is Donegal (which is in the Republic of Ireland). Northern Ireland is not even all of Ulster. Hence why it is called 'Northern' Ireland and not 'North' Ireland. It might be more correct to call it 'Northern-Eastern Ireland'. Or possibly give it a new name. Since the geographical name causes a lot of confusion - I've met people before who believe a line is drawn across the middle of the Island. It would as if Canada was called - 'Northern America'.

[@nzuzongeleka6561]

"Sex and factions" - Nerdwriter

[@MyDogTank]

@shiznakss "making" humans do anything is like pushing water up hill.

[@gaycarddealer8371]

Its hard for partitions to be perfect. You will always have dispersal of a people.Cid es es People will always have opposing views. The world isnt perfect but it can become close to it.

[@MaskofPoesy]

How about instead of divisions we focused on similarities?

[@IkeOkerekeNews]

KuriGohanAndKamehameha Aren't they the same thing?