VLOG 629: one year later - Permobil F3 review!

[@TotallyNormal-]

it appears as though these permobil 'aggressive tread tires' are made by CST (part of maxxis) - i'm searching for equivalents, as they make LOT of motorcycle, small tractor, and mountain bike tires!

[@horsewnoname872]

Great review and insight on improvements as compared to your '17 f3 pwc. Watched you clean the brushes on the old f3 and you referred to them as two-pole motors. Are the new f3 motors four-pole? In light of your 'Edge' bomb, some folks might like your thoughts about the difference and benefits of both two-pole and four-pole pwc motors. Thanks

[@davidguillory4311]

I have a wheelchair almost just like that one,it was giving to me after my TDX SP2 broke down 4 months ago.

[@lovedfriend2020]

Hi I am not sure what you mean by this?@douglasmorrison537

[@doveseye.4666]

Watching you work on the chair I almost forgot your the one who uses it. I have the same chair, it’s great but useless in snow, anyways I wanted to ask since I’m a caregiver s well and my son who is hypotonic of the lower trunk and autistic, his ankles are weak and turn in, I wanted to make. Board he could stand on at the back of my chair, what’s your thoughts?

[@TotallyNormal-]

ive made some skitch boards over the years.. havent really made one i like, and that works well yet.. but its a good idea! attaching them to the chair is the trick..

[@rollingthunder1681]

I am absolutely in love with my M3 after six months almost a year

[@thewordsofmytestimony]

I just ordered this chair. This video is very helpful. Thanks for doing this. It's kinda hard to find detailed reviews on any kinda chair. I've always ordered rear drives for my heavy duty chairs, but I have other smaller power chairs for "indoors," which is a front-drive. I did consider a Mid-drive, but I figured that I MAY get stuck more often because the main wheel is in the middle with a pair of little wheels on the front and back, so depending on the angle in which it's driven up a ramp, there is a possibility that it would get stuck.

[@gabubot]

Thanks for the review… I need to find an up-to-date one

[@chriscarlin4907]

Nice seeing you outside....

[@jimmellenberger8505]

Howdy! Just got a used F3 on the Marketplace for $400. Its first owner passed away last month, he was a double-leg amputee, so it didn't have the leg accessories, which I promptly ordered off ebay. It came with a thick ROHO seat cushion, already, so I'm learning from every source I can. My casters don't have the skirts, but the big wheels do. As far as tying it down, I go with cross-tying them down, instead of point-to-point. It works better.

[@randywallis9624]

For cleaning the hard spots use cans air works great. I had a per mobile abut 12 years ago and hated it.the arms only had “back” support and when transferring the single bolt would break. The first few times were almost disastrous when I contacted my provider he said the arms were not ment to be used for transferring. I’m a c6/7 as of 7-8-1969 and needed the arms for transferring. That chair in out in my shed I have a Quickie 636S. In Dec I can get a new chair but not sure what to get I’ve had problems with the Quickie and has replaced numerous parts. Thanks for your videos

[@JordanLoweElevaToursCanada]

I'm currently driving a 2021 lime green Permobil F3 that I took delivery of on December 20, 2021 (ordered March 13, 2020) and my parents have even noticed a difference in the engine performance compared to my 2015 Permobil F3 that I took delivery of back in October 2015. At first I wasn't sure if they were right about the new 2021 chair being maybe a little faster and then my 2015, but after they review that you just did on your chair I'm actually surprised that they did change of the engines a little bit, I thought it was just the same that's what I had before and I thought it was just the programming done on the software that gave it a little extra power. Another thing that I also really like about this newer generation for the F3 is the technology, for multiple reasons especially the MyPermobil Bluetooth connectivity function that comes with the chair. I personally like having it because if I'm driving somewhere and if something happens to the chair they can look on their computer and locate my chair if I am in need of help. Another thing I learned about this chair just recently from my salesman is that if you give than permission they can actually adjust the diagnostics on these newer chairs over Wi-Fi which is really interesting. Also I love how the Bluetooth connectivity option now comes standard on all of the chairs because the feature is built into the controller instead of being a separate option, and another convenient feature built into the joystick is infrared. I love having the ability to control my TV or any other infrared compatible device just with my controller on the wheelchair. My beautiful Green Machine turn eight months old on August 20 and I just have over 70 km on it, and I agree with you Dan this is the best chair for sale. It's going to take a lot for other manufacturers to compete with this chair.

[@anamariapuente4042]

you're right wheels. I got a new electric wheelchair on December Wednesday 9

[@neatogreedo]

What water based wet wipes do you use for cleaning? Trying to find only water based w/ out aloe & etc.

[@TotallyNormal-]

i usually buy cases of these - work great for everything, and no weird lotions or anything! amzn.to/47iWY1g (amazon associate link)

[@lanceg4089]

I have a Permobil for 5 years and the batteries and motors were still good after 5 year

[@omeokate3459]

I have an F3 and hate the inaccessibility of the fixed tie-downs . I use motorcycle tie-downs and attach them to the fixed loops on the chair. Makes it so much easier to use my tiedowns in my van or on public transit.

[@timothysmolka1810]

Hi I, I completely agree about the transport bracket;s location.I've had a lot of drivers on transit busses. Tell me they can't find them. And I wish the manufacturer would take more input from us because weather wants to use it on a daily basis.

[@robbalex1963]

I absolutely love my Permobil M3

[@TheChad435]

I’m a C4-C5 Quadriplegic and also use a permobile F3. For about 20 years I always had an Invacare Arrow Storm. I never had issues except for worn tire replacement which is expected or batteries not holding a long charge after three or four years. It always felt fast and extremely precise. I don’t go out except maybe two or three times a week for different occasions “Doctor appointments , shopping , etc”. I take good care of my electric legs😀! I don’t know if I have the dud of an F3 batch, but I truly hate this chair. From the first day I received it, it drives like a bus compared to my older in the care chair. Granted the F3 is a front wheel drive chair and the Arrow Storm is rear wheel drive. The rep from the wheelchair company did all they could through the settings to make it more precise. It’s as if there’s a sensitivity governor on the chair so that if I make a quick movement it delays the response. Also, I told the wheelchair rep a week after I had the chair that there’s a weird gearing mesh grind sound coming out of one of the motors while coasting. Thankfully it had only been a few months old “yep, had to wait that long for a new motor” and the motor was replaced under warranty. I also had a separate tilt and reclined touch box that burnt out after six months. The batteries have just been replaced this past week and are only just over a year and a half old. Now the chair as of yesterday is making a squeaking sound on the right side and cannot find where it’s coming from for the life of me. THE CHAIR IS ONLY A YEAR AND A HALF OLD. What else is gonna go wrong in the next three and a half years until I can get one covered by insurance? I’m glad your chair has worked out for you. Me however, I’m counting the days until my insurance will cover a new powerchair.

[@TotallyNormal-]

factory programming is definitely a thing... its odd that a permo rep wasn't able to get things sorted out for ya though! the motor brushes can be noisy sometimes - its a common ish thing.. BUT if its brand new, def have them replace the motors. ive heard of a number of them making strange sounds right out of the box :^/ the shocks will squeak on these chairs as well.. mine started doing it after about 4 months of use.. BUT i do run around in deep gravel on a daily basis... its possible to put a very small amount of lube on the shock seals - im going to be making a video about it soon

[@TheChad435]

@@TotallyNormal- Cool, thanks for the info! I'll check the shocks and put lube on the bolts connecting them. It's unfortunately one of those squeaks that is difficult to replicate. Sometimes it happens and other times not🙄.

[@TotallyNormal-]

shoot me an email or DM on twitter.. i can show ya exactly where to lubricate things :^) contact info is in video description

[@r.m.7391]

I had the same tires on my F5. They kept two years and roundabout 870 miles (1400 km).

[@BastianRavn]

I'm going to get a new power wheelchair, it might be a Quickie 500 - looks a lot like Permobil. I am in doubt whether to choose an M or F model. I am an outdoor person, what is your experience and recommendation. Today I have a foldable power chair with the drive wheel in the back. And struggling to get stuck on soft and loose ground, and I have to drive backwards 😁

[@kazmor]

it the extention cord wraps round the back tires. i have to get out of the chair to un do

[@horsewnoname872]

Was dust the culprit? - recent noise. The play in the footrests - did Permobil remove the nylon strap leg lift design?

[@bocco49]

Hello Dan my buddy has a quantum high-level wheelchair edge three. On the joystick, it says configuring that work stuck on configuring net work I won’t power up Any ideas how to fix this thank you.

[@doveseye.4666]

Getting mine in a few weeks, I’m a caregiver so this will help, I’m getting the extra 20% in the normal anterior lift, this front drive scares me a bit., I live in deep snow, I can bring litres of ice underneath.

[@YusufKurnaz]

hello, thank you for these videos. I get good information about Permobil and other chairs for myself, I have a question for you. I am thinking of buying the permobil M5, can you recommend me (which one should I buy as tilt equipment in equipment, which one should I not buy? I need your suggestions, I will use this car in turkey) and I have a c500 in its amateur system, I do not have it when ordering. can we choose those amateurs?🙏

[@briankepp6343]

My first chair back in 2011 was a Permobil C300, which is the older version of the F3. These are both front wheel drive models. My next chair I got in 2016 was the Permobil M3. I chose that chair for the dumbest reason ever! The ALS support groups I go to, I'd be the first person to have the new M series chair. I have just hated the mid wheel drive as the additional front casters make driving it more difficult as it creates more drag with added casters having to rotate. Not to mention, off roading is horrible as the second you spin the drive wheels, then if you try to back up, the front casters try to rotate and your totally stuck! With a front wheel drive, you can go forward till you get stuck and can always get out backing up. I will never go back to mid wheel drive.

[@jeffheyob7044]

Hey been watching forever. Question will the tires fit on an f3 from 2017. Worried about clearance with the fenders. Thanks for your knowledge

[@TotallyNormal-]

I’m pretty sure they will- haven’t tried on the older chairs yet though..

[@weeeelz]

I'm an avid hunter/outdoorsman and I am rough on chairs. Through the woods, over roots, up steep hills(backwards works best), through mudholes (yes I get stuck on occasion) all with the regular standard tires. I assume the aggressive tires fit the same wheel? They'll be my next purchase. Also, I use a side support, ribcage height, that flip around with the gray tab..... they're junk and need a redesign. Great videos bro!

[@TotallyNormal-]

they're a direct replacement for the stock tires glad to hear someone else out there is using the crap outta their chairs as well! :^)

[@honkleretta1050]

We really want to know if you managed to solve :"caster flutter"

[@TotallyNormal-]

CRAP! i knew i was forgetting something!!! been working on finding the appropriate parts to get it takes care of.. there will be a video when it happens

[@meggi8048]

for cleaning cant u just use a water hose and spray it clean?

[@darkestnights7666]

when you do the endurance run for how long it lasts for mileage please do the check again after you put new batteries in it so we can know what you think of the new battery design and run times

[@TotallyNormal-]

i've got the new volt pro batteries in my chair now.. they seem to last a lot longer!

[@JohnBelknap]

Did you need to move your ezlock floor bracket for the new chair? I'm to get my lock put on my 2021 chair and the installer said it maybe in a different location than my 2017 chair even though the part number is the same.

[@TotallyNormal-]

i haven't actually put one on my new chair yet :^/ apparently theres a few versions, and ive been trying to get one that has the bolt between the drive wheels, instead of further back.. they moved it on the F3 for whatever reason and they catch on EVERYTHING

[@tb8244]

I got a F3 in 2019, had the bracket for ezlock put on and they had to move the floor box back. YES I catch on everything, thresholds are terror now. Have to use my old C300 for places that have thresholds, of course the installer guys that put the bracket on didn't even tell me they just did move the box back and installed the bracket. Maybe you put some metal under the box to shim it up some, and that doesn't interfere with your footplates. If you find a remedy lets us all know, glad you are able to drive without that lock in "wink". I called Ezlock they seem not care about making a different bracket. Beware of catching on everything. If you find a different bracket let us know. I really don't feel like switching to a different whole system.

[@TotallyNormal-]

I strap myself down in the van.. it’s SUPER annoying though!

[@beckyopperman1447]

I have 2020 F3. I just had to get a new charger. The charger actually destroyed the connector on the joystick to charge the chair. Kind of scary.

[@sirdeuces968]

I have 200 miles on my 2022 I am getting a clicking sound after being at speed for a bit than slowing down and going slow. I was told motor issues? Already? And my leg rest cover broke too after 4 months. Got a replacement after my JB weld fix failed

[@TotallyNormal-]

ive had that on a few of my permobil chairs in the past.. does the sound change when going backwards? at 200 miles the motors are barley broken in!

[@sirdeuces968]

@@TotallyNormal- if I could send u a clip of it you can hear it. It does it both directions. Funny thing is I didn't hear it at all today but did it every day last few months!

[@TotallyNormal-]

send a message with the contact form on the website - link is in description :^)

[@leglessinoz]

My M5 still has dried mud on it from the last time I got bogged.

[@qjimq]

Pop rivets those plastic parts?

[@mitchjarzabek4486]

I'm in process of getting my first power chair with it being F5VS. (Once all the hassle with insurance is done). The placement of the front brackets to hook in I found is a lot easier if you use seat elevation (if equipped). Found that out by happenstance. The back brackets as you mentioned is just god awful. I was not able to hook myself in on my own when I had a test chair to trial for a weekend. They need to find a better solution for placement 100%!

[@briankepp6343]

I'm in the process of getting my 3rd chair and I'm going for the F5 VS as well. Getting insurance to cover it will be quite a fight! However, my last chair, I managed to get my insurance to cover my seat elevator and the foot plate elevator which they typically never cover. It took some fighting as they denied it the first go around and had to appeal it. I'm expecting an even greater fight on this chair.

[@horsewnoname872]

@@briankepp6343 Hi Brian, your reply caught my eye regarding insurance and power wheelchairs (pwc). My pwc can be replaced 4/2023. The vendor who showed-up for my pwc eval back then, dictated he sells permobil but wouldn't sell me one - not enough profit. He told me my three choices; I asked if quickie qm710 were available as specialty backrest was long overdue and too much time had passed due to complications (assigned vendor went bankrupt). I had Vocational Rehab at the time who pay for the client's preference and add-ons insurance companies will not. As well, wo V.R. my current repair vendor told me that my pwc choices will be limited to quantum, invacare, sunrise medical (quickie). That quickie is sitting in the shop waiting for motors (3rd pr), batteries (3rd pr), R-net joystick (no. 3), Swing-away apparatus (no.4). Fortunate to have the old permobil c500 (2,800 mi.) and determined my next pwc is an f3 or f5. While you're familiar with the process of 'appeals' regarding pwc brand and add-ons, I'm not. Again, voc rehab helped me in the past, now I'm older and question my eligibility, but 'they' might be a resource available to you if necessary. Perhaps you could offer direction on what to expect, brand-wise, elevator, add-ons, etc. - regarding insurance paying. Thanks

[@mikegrok]

I am sure I will have more comments… When attaching plastic pieces together, check out plastic rivets. Or stainless steel rivets. They are a combination clamp and fastener. They are also mostly flush and don’t catch on stuff. If you do aluminum rivets they are easy to grind flat.

[@DPHGH32]

Thanks for the review 👍🏾

[@StarTrooper]

Is insurance reasons why you didn't get an F5? For the tie-down loops the back all they would have to do is make it a little bit longer.

[@TotallyNormal-]

the 5 series would have been almost double the cost :^/ but then my insurance refused to pay for 'part' of a new chair - it was all or nothing with them!

[@rogertyler3237]

Will Those Fit A Quantom Q Edge 6

[@bradpennington4778]

I have a F5 chair now that is 5 years old that my wife’s insurance paid for. Now on Medicare they will not pay for a F5. My question is how does the F3 compare to a F5. Doesn’t look like a lot of difference. Tkanks

[@TotallyNormal-]

the F5 is basically the same, BUT faster motors, slightly taller seat lift, footprint is a couple inches wider/longer and has slightly better suspension. (and has options for standing functionality) other that that, they're essentially identical :^) both great chairs!

[@BamaRob]

A friend told me that you have a video about the "latch" feature that can be programmed into my Quantum Q6 Edge 3.0. for ilevel while driving. I'd love to see it but can't find it. Will you please send me the link?

[@TotallyNormal-]

are you talking about 'cruise control' or removing the inhibits so the chair doesnt slow down when seat is raised up?

[@BamaRob]

I don't think cruise control would be useful or a good idea. I'm taking about the ability to use ilevel while in motion (driving) I either don't know how or needed to get my dealer to enable it. What is that feature called and where can I find your video. I appreciate your videos. In fact, I'm listening to your grips about cleaning your P3 as I type. ALSO what is your opinion on the new Quantum Q6 Edge 3.0 I just had delivered?

[@TotallyNormal-]

'latched' driving is what they call the type of cruise control chairs have.. that's why i was wondering :^) for the seat lift.. does the chair not let you move, once the lift is raised up? (im trying to understand the question)

[@BamaRob]

Everything works great. I'm just wanting to know how to raise the ilevel while driving it. What is that function called?

[@F3HEAD]

We need semi-airless tires for a softer ride. The tires and suspension ride way too hard, yes I have adjusted it softer.

[@ronald5629]

I like that chair.

[@FightingMSA]

Definitely agree on tie down placement is poor. The plastics for the sides too could use reworking.

[@rogertyler3237]

I Heard The Left Center Tire Squeaking So I Replaced It With A Newone & It StillDose The Same Thing. Could It Be The Rim It's Self. I Was Told By Mark's Mobility The Front Suspension Springs Might Need Some WD40

[@LieutenantDan-cw7tu]

I have the chance to buy a mint F3 courpus chai for 1000.00 is that to much? The said nott programmed for vertical lift. is this a big deal please let me know thank you

[@TotallyNormal-]

if it powers up and runs well, that's not too bad! just make sure to plan for replacing the batteries - they always say 'new' but 90% of the time they're gonna need replacing

[@dustinbunch2316]

Hey brother, did you order the wheels after the fact I would like to replace my tires for something more aggressive, especially before hunting season

[@TotallyNormal-]

i had permobil put them on the chair when they built it. buildmywheelchair sells the aggressive tread tires though! buildmywheelchair.com/permobil-aggressive-tread-flat-free-foam-filled-tire-3w-x-14t-black/

[@sonnyhelzer68]

I have that same F3, and it handles horribly at slow speeds like you described yours did at first, I just got mine and the rep, and I spent a few hours trying to make it handle; there's just no going straight at slow speeds it's either left or right just cannot overcompensate but they're coming back, but those tires I want and kinda almost need living in northern Michigan but are they pneumatic? Right now, I'm back in my old C300, which is still like new, luckily, because the F3 is way too heavy for my lift. I currently have it's a one-arm rated at 600lb, and I'm 230, so it looks like, for now, I will be using the C300 when I go out, which is not very often doctor app only as I'm a quad C4 anyways I joined your thing. Keep the videos coming. I love them. I come from a mechanical background, so I can tell you know what you're doing.

[@TotallyNormal-]

FYI if you have a backpack or anything on your chair that swings around, it can make things unstable- gotta be firmly attached! Also going back and forth between c300 and an f3 takes some getting used to. On the f3 you have to concentrate on holding the joystick in the direction you want to go.. as opposed to the c300 where tons of small hand movements/adjustments are required. I also found that I tended to lean left or right in my c300 when steering- which kinda aided in the control. I set the tremor dampening on my indoor profile on the f3 to about 15-20% and that helped a bit as well. The tires on the f3 are ‘solid’ but have a very compliant foam inside. Nothing like the standard primo powertrax tires. (They’re Permobil aggressive tread tires from the 5 series chairs) Anyways.. hope some of this helps!

[@Laura-ht6vs]

Can you please tell me what the floor to seat ratio height, is on your chair? I currently have a promobil M3 I will be replacing it soon I'm looking for a chair without a 16 1/2 -17 inch floor to seat ratio.

[@TotallyNormal-]

mines a minimum of 19" when the seat is level.. might be tricky to find something lower :^/

[@fliptopboxfliptopbox573]

Hi, great video! I always used RWD. How is it using a FWD chair? My concern with FWD chairs is when you need to climb a high curb. Thanks!!

[@MrAcordionista]

Hi Allen, I have a question pertaining to the batteries; I replaced both batteries with according to BK batteries the same type of batteries. The problem is that they dont last but only three hours and I have to recharge them. what do you think my problem is? My wheelchair company has been no help. It's a 2016 Permobil F3. the old batteries would last for days on one charge. please help!!

[@TotallyNormal-]

do you have a different charger ya can try just to rule that out?

[@MrAcordionista]

@@TotallyNormal- the battery charger is working fine, because it only takes about two hours to recharge the batteries but they just don’t last

[@MrAcordionista]

And I don’t have an extra charger

[@TotallyNormal-]

something is wrong if it only takes 2 hours to charge dead SLA batteries.. have you left it connected overnight to make sure they're getting charged all the way? what brand are the new batteries?

[@MrAcordionista]

@@TotallyNormal- yes it’s plugged in most of the day and all night

[@haystack9109]

So I have a merits p710 my first problem is the axles in the motors keep breaking in half but I just keep buying new motors and taking the axles out my next issue I’m having is the batteries I bought 75mah batteries in April and now they aren’t staying charged I get like 4 hours of use out of them is there something I can do with out taking them out. Thanks

[@lyleg5759]

Another question. How do I tell what year mine is?

[@TotallyNormal-]

the serial number sticker has the date on it as well.. typically on the left side of the chair (as you're sitting in it) near the back, behind the drive wheel. M-series chairs ya can see it thru the wheel spokes.. but its not super easy to see on them all :^/

[@samuelself9629]

Are your tires pneumatic or Solid?

[@dang3]

I wish they would offer an optional wider tire. The tall skinny tires get stuck and dig into soft dirt and sand too easy. Also the overlapping plastic and unnecessary rear caster fenders seem like a stupid idea compared to the last version.

[@Sralidar]

Great video! I'm in the process of getting my first chair and my PT and equipment dealer have suggested a Quickie Q700M by sunrise medical. That's the only company my insurance works with in NH. It seems like a good chair but am concerned about getting stuck in compact gravel, we live in a rural area with dirt driveway. As insurance will only cover an indoor chair, should I try and find a more hybrid option like the frontier v4 or similar? Thanks!

[@TotallyNormal-]

the V4 (v6 front) seems like a neat chair! - but they are considered a group 4, for billing, so they're rarely covered bu insurance.. im trying to get my hands on one though! the quickie chairs - ya have to watch out for water.. their manuals state that ANY water can cause the suspension to freeze up if not cleaned off immediately.. BUT a small carpet blower fan does the trick when coming inside from the rain :^)

[@Sralidar]

@@TotallyNormal- That makes sense, I wondered about water... thanks for the info!

[@timothycombs1982]

suggestion some will make alotof money opening a wheelchair detail shop

[@josephmirigliano8728]

Awesome video I love ❤️ my f3

[@kevinv5195]

Are the aggressive tread tires air filled?

[@TotallyNormal-]

ya can get them either way - but ive got the foam filled ones. the foam in these tires is WAY softer then standard powerchair tires tho. IMO there's no reason to get the air filled ones :^)

[@kevinv5195]

@Totally Normal awesome! I'll have to ask for those tires.. .thinking of getting of getting the F5 it goes 7.5 mph standard I think

[@rick31869]

i could not wait for it to rain so i could test out the quantum 6 edge 3 . let me tell you ,those 4 pole motors really perform . i was able to do several spin outs really well .in power 5 level ,that chair will virtually snap your neck if you keep the joy stick engaged , its way more intense than any mechanical bull i been on , trust me lol. . i notice into several yards i tried , in wet long =er grass this thing really digs in the yard , im telling you ,it will leave ruts and tear the grass up .at full speed on the wet pavement , it will do horrific spin outs , my goal was to see if i could flip it lol .i wish i could find someone to just spin it in a circle at level 5 ,i really dont think a human body could attain that in this awesome chair .my goal is to one day purchase that all terrain utility wagon ,the one with the big rubber tires . ( The bigfoot panel wagon is the classic red wagon from your childhood but with some added wood paneling to keep passengers or cargo secure! Features include 10 in. pneumatic tires that can withstand rough terrain and a 330 lb. weight capacity. This red wagon is great for your kids or grandkids to play with but can also haul gardening tools or supplies in the yard! Steel wheels with large pneumatic tires High stakes are securely fastened to the wagon Wide wheelbase for stability Red powder coated finish resists rust Full 33-5/8 in. x 15-3/4 in. x 5-1/2 in. deck 5-1/4 in. wood panels Pull through grass, over rocks, anywhere ) IT SEEMS TO BE AN EXACT COPY OF THE INFAMOUS "ALEKO ALL TERRAIN CART . !!! MY GOAL IS TO HAVE AN EXTRA SET OF BATTERIES OR BATTERY PACK IN IT AS WELL AS OTHER GEAR ! i am most interested in how much weight i can actually tow !!!! i also want to configure some contraption that will drive the chair in a straight line , hands free while i perform shooting my bow repeatedly at targets that are stationary or moving . i would prefer to do it electronically if possibly ,but will also consider some other type mechanically operated device , sort of an auto pilot , if you will ! lol ...... . my goal also is to build an contraption that is triangle shape that has a small side shaft gas engine with a chain and set of sprockets that turn a single tire in the back that is steerable with a long rod that circles around the front of the chair . think of a mini bike frame that the mid to back section has been cut off from front end lol . so you will have a motor ,chain and sprockets and a single tire in the back , i call it my long distance gas powered assist !!!! once you get to where you are going , you engage the electric motors to quietly move around . i imagine this would be a very awesome tool to have for your chair to be abled to go a semi far distance at 2 to 4 or more times the regular speed without having to have a real automobile or van.it would have a throttle and brake handle similar to a mini bike or motor cycle ! .i want to make it where it attaches where the basket on the back goes or some other system like a hitch maybe ? imagine for a second , how a contraption like this would be nice to have you also could have a couple of alternators to charge the batteries or outfit it with another type generator with a 110 converter that supplies the energy to use you chairs charger ? my second idea is to make a trike version that will have a side shaft mini bike motor or nicer motorcycle motor that powers a single wheel that mounted to the front of the chair that has a head light ,brake handle ,speedometer, and throttle mounted to a more comfortable double hand handlebar !!!! my only concern is , will it be good for the "free wheeling " function of the chair ?either front or rear mount would attach and un-attach real easy ! THE FRONT MODEL TRIKE VERSION WOULD ALLOW THE RIDER TO FULLY EXTEND THEIR LEGS FOWARD THAT WOULD BE PROTECT BY A FRAME WHILE ZIPPING AROUND TOWN, OR ON LONGER TRIPS !!!!!! ( SO HONESTLY ,,,,,,,, WHAT DO YOU THINK ) ???????????

[@TotallyNormal-]

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[@jvpbilliar7]

I agree with a lot of the things on this vedio. Ive had my chair since 2021. I love the features but as stated a good ideal not much thought. The tires don't last me very long either as I am a very active person. I hate the plastic they could have designed them with more thought and I have very much expressed this to Permobil they are slow to service them also for the price I have been unhappy with the chair and the batteries it takes so long to get thrm replaced you really need s good back ip chair or they should loan you one just saying. Otherwise it. Would be a great chair

[@TotallyNormal-]

BTW I’ve had really good luck with the aggressive tread tires! My last set lasted almost 800 miles- and they improve the ride quality a bit as well :-) They’re made by Permobil- I just buy them myself on buildmywheelchair.com

[@chriscarlin4907]

Has permobil initialized traction control?....

[@donnamoore8479]

I love my Permobil chair, but the repair company (DME) technician really messed it up. He laid it down to change the tires and now the seating is wonky and it rocks after reclining. It rattles so bad. Then one guy adjusted the torque and one side just rips up flooring and carpet. Just a mess.

[@HellonWheels777]

Hey! My year anniversary is coming up in a few months too. I have a question. Do you know if I'd be able to get the aggressive tires put on when I have to get replacements? The stock tires are okay and I don't really take this chair out in crazy environments too often right now. I would like something a little better for the outdoors in the future though and since my stock tires are wearing after something like 1,200 miles I've put on this chair, I'm looking for other options. So glad you're making this video, I love my f3. So glad I was able to get one last year. I would even say that if it wasn't for my f3 I would not be able to live independently in the city I live in now. As soon as I got that thing my quality of life exploded, my world got so much bigger and I've now put over a thousand miles on this chair since December 2021. I have a few minor complaints here and there with the chair, but as far as wheelchairs go it's amazing. I do you have to take care of some wear and tear and I hope I can figure out how to do that without help. I think that comes with it being my only power chair and me being a very active user though. I'll be staying tuned for more f3 repair videos and looking through your archives again! Thank you for giving us so much information about our chairs. I know you've run into trouble over the years for doing it but it is something that's so needed for everyone that uses a chair.

[@TotallyNormal-]

Hey! So build my wheelchair website has the aggressive tread tires now! They’re $139 each.. so not too bad! As far as getting the DME/insurance to replace them - it depends. When i ordered my chair, they told me that I’d have to pay for tires myself in the future if I wanted to keep the aggressive tread ones. The foam compound in them seems a lot better for ride quality as well

[@HellonWheels777]

@@TotallyNormal- thanks for the tip, I think I've seen build my wheelchair before. If I remember correctly I ordered batteries from them when my Quantum was practically eating them. Lol. Oh yeah, I don't think for a second that insurance is going to pay for this for me. I kind of figured that once these guys go too bald, I was going to just pay a little extra to keep that from happening again and give myself a little extra freedom. I'm too hard on an active in this chair to not ever expect to put a little effort and money into it once in awhile. Thank you for the tip bro, glad your f3 is working out for you too. It's my first time really getting to pick my chair and I have no regrets. It's amazing how much a permobil can improve your quality of life. I'm watching your shop class series now. Do you think there will be any more of them in the future?

[@TotallyNormal-]

yes.. theres 3 of them currently planned.. BUT then i had to keep moving etc etc.. life keeps getting in the way! the next one will be about buying used chair parts on ebay/elsewhere.. kinda an overall guide, and how to avoid buying expensive paperweights!

[@HellonWheels777]

@@TotallyNormal- I completely understand bro. I just finally found a stable place to live myself after being homeless and having to bounce around. I totally get how that gets in the way of a lot of things you want to do. I'm glad you're still at it man! I look forward to that video. I'm always looking for ways to avoid having to go to my DME first off I could kind of take care of on my own. I already do some of my own things on my chair but knowledge is power! Thanks Dan!

[@eileenfranke2411]

The tie downs should be on the outside of the chair

[@eileenfranke2411]

Thanks the reason that I said that the tie downs should be on the outside of the chair is so the person can get at the tie down and and see it and doesn’t hook it on something that will brake easily

[@andy3981]

If you played with one, What do you think of the Quantum Rival. I know Quantum can be iffy, but I had my Rival for 6-7 years now and It's a tank! I have Cerebral Palsy btw.

[@TotallyNormal-]

they seem like a solid chair - but havent had one myself to play around with..

[@andy3981]

@@TotallyNormal- Cool, I was just curious as to their moddability(is that even a word? lol). They seem to be limited in that regard. They are what they are and you can't add new shocks or anything.

[@lyleg5759]

You mention the miles on it. Does it have an odometer? Mine has nothing that I know of.

[@TotallyNormal-]

Yup! It’s in the user menu - press and hold the upper left soft-key for a few seconds, and toggle down to ‘distance’

[@lyleg5759]

@@TotallyNormal- I'll have a look. Thanks.

[@chriscarlin4907]

Lights should be mounted on the seat...same as the transportation brackets....

[@FightingMSA]

I wonder if a bracket Chris could be used for relocating the lights to seat. (Like maybe the one I had made🤔) I think I will look into it today and maybe make a video of it.

[@kevinperry368]

New to your channel. Transitioning from cane, walker, and mobility scooter to powered wheel chair due to rare disease causing spinal cord damage and eventual paralysis from the chin down. I'm new to the whole dealing with medicaid and getting a powered wheel chair through them. Just in the very beginning of the process. Getting evaluation through my doctor next week. I've been told that they only pay 80% for the cheapest chair available. How do you get them pay for such an expensive chair? Any help would be much appreciated.

[@TotallyNormal-]

hey! it all depends on your diagnosis codes - the chair in this video is a group 3.. also known as a 'rehab chair' tilt function for example is qualified by things like pressure relief etc.. recline - can be things like using catheters, positioning etc.. power legs - edema/swelling in feet/legs.. those are just some examples.. but its all about the diagnoses and associated billing codes seat lifts/elevators are almost never covered by insurance (maybe 15% of the time) but if your conditions meet the proper codes, they'll pay for a group 3 rehab chair typically without too much trouble also typically if JUST mobility is the concern, and have no pressure sore issues/positioning needs - they go for a group 2 chair.. those have a 'van seat' or some other kinda of static (non power adjustable) seating though a lot of them have manual recline levers sometimes they go for a group 2 chair if only 1 power function is needed as well medical billing and coding is a tricky thing.. ya need an ATP that knows their job very well, and can write a GOOD letter of medical necessity! but each feature needs to have a solid, matching billing code to get every line item paid for for example.. if someone just 'wants' power recline because it would be nice, but no medical billing codes can attach to it (because they cant say its medically necessary), insurance wont pay for it

[@kevinperry368]

@@TotallyNormal- Thank you so much! I've been trying to find this kind of advice for a couple of months now. It's exactly what I needed to know. My disease is called OPLL, ossification of the posterior longitudinal ligament. It basically causes the ligaments next to your spinal cord to calcify and turn into bone and eventually fill up the spinal canal and crush your cord. It also grows spikes that pierce the cord. I have it in my cervical area bad. Had to have a surgery where they split open my c2-c7 vertebrae to allow room for the bone to grow away from my cord. It's in my lumbar area now. Daily life is dealing with constant pain and loss of mobility. I'm hoping a chair will help with the mobility issue. Whatever chair I get will have to have a good plush suspension on it because I'm very sensitive to anything jarring and I need something to support my head well because my neck gets tired very easily. Thanks again!

[@TotallyNormal-]

BTW.. if you a have medical need for good suspension, you might be able to qualify for a group 4 chair - those have much better suspension! like permobil F5, magic mobility, and some mysystems chair. good luck with everything! its a long process... ive got a series of videos about getting a new chair.. can take anywhere from 3 months to over a year once the process gets started. just keep on top of things, and make friendly phone calls every few weeks to keep everyone moving along :^) kzbin.info/aero/PLDSsC1nZPlqlXIw7pcTeiSon67BYp9Qp6&si=EMSIkaIECMiOmarE6JChQQ things changed a lot because of the pandemic.. but should be a similar-ish process

[@Vicmon]

Can u tell me what app u use for tracking distance ,speed, on ur phone .

[@TotallyNormal-]

i use a handheld GPS when i need to track stuff like that. but even those arent super accurate measuring speed below 10 mph (which is the speed of most chairs) they track distance quite well.. but not as a spedometer

[@briankepp6343]

I use Ride with GPS app. It's pretty accurate on speed. I like that it maps out your route you did and you can even save them. It also tracks elevation changes.

[@gabubot]

Now I'm torn between the f3 and M5

[@rick31869]

you said you have 415miles on the tires ,wow ,does that thing have a built in odd-ometer ????

[@TotallyNormal-]

yup!

[@rick31869]

@@TotallyNormal- wow , i guess my quautum 6 edge 3 is baseline ,plus only 6 mph ! :(

[@chriscarlin4907]

Are the casters powered?...

[@leglessinoz]

No

[@jasonanderson6890]

I have a 2021 pro mobile M3 and I love it very much. However I need somebody to replace the controller and I live in Portland. I have plenty of money. Can you recommend a company for me or possibly come out and do it yourself? I know that’s a lot to ask I can meet you anywhere and Portland also. Also I think I bought a chair off you last summer for $200. It’s what I’ve been using for the past two months it’s a pronto M 51. I want MyPermobil and three back working! Desperately Jason

[@TotallyNormal-]

whats going on with the controller?

[@jasonanderson6890]

@@TotallyNormal- The charger input cable got hot and melted the XLR going in. The batteries with no longer charge so my brother and I bypassed it and put a Schumacher fitting down by the batteries to charge the batteries up. We opened up the controller and disconnected the XLR so it would no longer be shorted. But the controller still seems to be malfunctioning. I need somebody with hands to work on it. The batteries are charged however the controller will no longer light up.

[@jasonanderson6890]

Also I am quadriplegic so I am not really capable of disassembling things and putting them back together physically.

[@TotallyNormal-]

call a permobil rep - this is a problem with some of the chairs and the new volt pro charger.. they should be able to take care of things. DON'T use the volt pro charger that it came with! those were the issue. (they have since fixed the problem) but the joystick and charger will need to be replaced use this link to send them a message, and the local rep should get notified (they're pretty good here) hub.permobil.com/support

[@jasonanderson6890]

@@TotallyNormal- Thanks this is awesome advice I will follow up I’ll let you know how it goes. I also have a quantum 610 pride that I need worked on if you know of anybody who needs work. I have already purchased a new controller it just needs to be installed.

[@TotallyNormal-]

... ahh those times when there's an 8 second clip ya meant to edit out, but you're WAY too lazy/efficient to go back and fix it LMAO

[@spiropapadopoulos7906]

What about permobil 5 do they make better one? New

[@chrisfitzchrisfitz5182]

It makes you wonder why they’re not making an honest full cast of the plastic part that needs to be in place, instead of all these different layers - I will never understand that!

[@mikec7658]

I have a M3 and don’t care for the tie downs poor location especially the rear I also have quantum edge chairs and nice robust tie downs in a good location But both chairs have good and bad

[@onegenius6390]

HEY, WHAT HAPPEN TO YOUR BOUNDER? I HAVE AN BOUNDER SINCE 2007, IT STILL KILLS ALL PERMOBILS THAT ALL MY NEIGHBORS HAVE.

[@TotallyNormal-]

i still have it - but i cant daily a rear wheel drive chair with my living situation. they require a lot more space etc to maneuver around :^)

[@忠雄西村]

僕は頚椎損傷でQ700に乗っていますがスピードが8マイルしか出ません、早い車いすがうらやましい。

[@rogertyler3237]

That Facery Stuff Never Holds Up.

[@chriscarlin4907]

They forget that the chair is for a person....

[@chriscarlin4907]

I carry a 35 pack of bottled water on my jazzy 614hd footplate....

[@ProudAmerican10]

I’m not understanding what the hooks on the chair why are you concerned why you have something to raise the seat you get on the bus you raise the seat up a couple of inches you hook the chair up you lower the seat you take your right as you’re getting off the lift the seat up they had hockey when you go on your way

[@TotallyNormal-]

covers and light still get inadvertently ripped off by the bus operators, regardless of how tall the seat is. most other chair brands have tie down points out i the open, and easy to get to. even on older permobil chairs, the tie down hooks were WAY easier to access

[@ProudAmerican10]

@@TotallyNormal- Well I’m getting F3 hopefully delivered or should I say re-delivered the first one came was beautiful but it threw error code that the guy couldn’t clear anyway getting back to the tie-downs i’m going to use the ones like I used to use on my Harley Davidson and you loop it through there and just let it hang so they could just hook through a nylon tie down on all four of the anchors without having to go metal to metal and level extended approximately 8 to 10 inches longer at least. Quick question the F3 came with lights on it and separate buttons to do all the functions do you know if that particular handset can be preset for seating positions thanks for your help I really enjoy your videos they’re a big help

[@ProudAmerican10]

I’m getting a F3 like yours I was wondering if there’s any way electronically to make it quicker without changing the motors are there any computer settings that could be modified to make it go a little faster

[@TotallyNormal-]

6.5 mph is the mechanical limits of the motors, and the voltage the electronics can output

[@ProudAmerican10]

@@TotallyNormal- Thanks Permobil has on the website it says 6 miles an hour and I don’t know if I 1/2 a mile an hour is gonna make a much difference but it would to me especially when I cross streets

[@TotallyNormal-]

IDK why they say 6mph.. but ive tested my 2017 & 2021 F3's and they both go 6.5 mph when the programming is set to 100% forward speed - i used a 50 foot laser speed trap setup

[@chriscarlin4907]

Its black so dust shows....