Historian Reacts - Battle of Midway by The Operations Room

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[@sunkings5972]

Montemayor on KZbin does the best midway analysis I've ever seen. Prolly to long for a reaction video but he breaks it down minute by minute from both perspectives.

[@drpainglove3389]

I usually WOULD agree. However Vlogging Through History has done several multi part reactions to longer historical videos my personal favorite of which is his Caesar in Gaul series. I think he just picked the wrong video here.

[@kyrudo]

Montemayor has probably the most comprehensive video on Midway in KZbin and I would Love a reaction to it

[@JLS639]

He explains the mechanics of aircraft carrier operations and aircraft battle tactics so well and relates it to the tactical decisions made by the admirals

[@KanJonathan]

And "Military Aviation History" put icing on the cake by dissecting what went wrong for Hornet Air Group.

[@nicholashutzel9202]

Please do this reaction

[@bigbusinessman3178]

Too be honest, a much better and interesting account of details come from montemayor. It shows it from the japans perspective and includes fog of war. It also does a better job with narration showing how each bombing run is important, as well talking about how doctrine of the japanenese decided the fight

[@shepherd8762]

I concur the fog of war aspect helps to understand the decisions made on both sides

[@michaelaburns734]

This is why I like reading both sides of this War.

[@svenrio8521]

I love his Pearl Harbor video, imo one of the best videos detailing the events on that day.

[@sunkings5972]

Proly too long for a reaction but it's the best midway video on KZbin.

[@Kang_Ki_Hyeon]

I concur with this statement. I've seen a fair amount of Operation's Room content, and they seem to me to be a gross oversimplification of the events presented. I feel at times they lack the depth of knowledge and ability to accurately decipher what historical information was pivotal or critical to the course, and end result of major historical events in warfare. I feel Montemayor's video was much more well-researched and reconstructed well the timeline and events that occurred that lead to the results at the end of the Battle of Midway.

[@notaidan4451]

Heavily recommend Montemayor’s three videos on the Battle of Midway. An incredible series on that battle.

[@stonewall01]

Montemayor! Pearl Harbor, Coral Sea, Midway from the Japanese Perspective (1/3), Midway: Hiryu's Counterstrike (2/3), and Midway from the American Perspective (3/3). These are very good!!!

[@drpainglove3389]

It's too bad that this is the video picked rather then Montemayor's. It's not that Operation's room is bad(they are one of the better channels imo) it's just that Monte's video is the best IMO in regards to this battle on the internet currently.

[@zMage]

so true, i hope he reacts to his videos.

[@noneatall9060]

This video (the one being reacted to, not "monty's") perpetuates the myth of the Hornet Air Group ever since Mitscher gave his falsified report to Spruance and Fletcher. It was the bombers and fighters that flew the northern course, and the torpedo bombers that flew the correct course (more southerly). Because of this, the pilots forced to ditch almost were not found by the PBYs because they were looking in the wrong area.

[@drpainglove3389]

I feel that Operation Room's style and brevity is a boon in regards to introducing people to battles and works especially well regarding smaller battles by showcasing them in a way that's easy to understand by the average viewer. having said that, Montemayor's video series is absolutely the best historical account of the Battle of Midway on the internet currently and should have been selected over Operation's Room's video. Montemayor's deep dive into the fog of war and the decision making of the Japanese command in this battle might be totally unique in terms of presentation and accuracy on the internet and I'm admittedly disappointed that his video wasn't selected as I feel that it showcases HOW to understand events from a historical perspective over anything else.

[@ss5ringo]

As others have mentioned, montemayor's videos are amazing. Even though you just did this one, I'd love a multipart reaction to his midway videos. Much more detailed and presented in such a fantastic and interesting way.

[@Stlaind]

You should also check out Montemayor's one about it from the Japanese perspective

[@Morgnanana]

Great reaction as always! However I highly suggest Montemayor series "The Battle of Midway" showcasing what this all looked from japanese viewpoint. There are two videos from japanese perspective with third and last one being american viewpoint, capping off the battle and showcasing thought processes behind apparently witless choices taken by american commanders, which ultimately decided the battle.

[@YAH2121]

I highly recommend Montemayor's animated videos of Midway. It's much more detailed and much more intriguing to watch. Probably the best retelling of what transpired during the battle that's on KZbin.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

When it was, and the significance of the fight, this battle has perhaps the most ironic name in the history of warfare.

[@lovelyhatter]

I know it's been said a ton in the comments but even if you don't post it on your channel Montemayor is incredible. Cannot recommend it to you specifically enough.

[@foossy9]

VTH also consider watching "montemayor"s midway from the Japanese perspective! Goes into alot more detail . He has videos on the attack on pearl harbour and it's so detailed it really is incredible.

[@joaquinvieyra3540]

You should look at Montemayor's series of videos done on midway from the Japanese prospective although the videos are a bit long

[@JLS639]

They are so well done and engaging they don't feel long

[@justinbrutchen3811]

I had a Great-great Uncle who was at Midway. His name was Charles Brutchen, and he was a part of the Coast Guard during the battle.

[@juliannavarro3440]

Montemayors videos are so much detailed, including detailed timelines and fog of war, that makes the POV of Japan and the US much more understandable regarding their choices in battle, I'd love to see you break down those videos.

[@JLS639]

Montemayor's documentary series on Midway is easily the best battle documentary I have ever seen in my life

[@eknapp49]

Drachinifel on his channel has occassionally refered to the Americans as having a warship copy machine during World War II.

[@gabrielarquillo3355]

3:36 i also want to add on that the Japanese wanted to also attack midway because they wanted to extend their defensive line deeper into the pacific. If they were successful in capturing midway, the island could be used to bomb and possibly inside Hawaii. Midway was such an important island to the Japanese.

[@sharparcher3789]

Keep up the awesome work. A lot of Marines love your work. When I went to Paris Island (just came back and am about to go to MCT), every time we talked about history in the squad bay, your videos were always quoted or talked about more than any other channel.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

That is awesome to hear, thank you! And thank you for your service, Marine!

[@historiaterra5553]

Really been enjoying these videos. Your selection of reactions has always been good!

[@gabrielarquillo3355]

8:16 that trap honestly is one of the smartest ever during the war. The US pretty much baited the Japanese into their trap, haha!

[@tannerraque4348]

If you're looking for videos about the pacfic I would recommend Drachinifels video about the USS Enterprise the most decorated ship of ww2 as the ship itself spent the entire war in the pacific and arguably saved the war effort multiple times and was at one point the only American carrier left.

[@memecliparchives2254]

I missed the Battle 360 series from History Channel now....

[@coxmosia1]

@@memecliparchives2254 The episodes are all on KZbin now.

[@memecliparchives2254]

@@coxmosia1 Not in my country its not, its copyrighted

[@kineuhansen8629]

love the sound of a merlin engine i love to lern about pacific war i can recognize ships in the pacific war on both side and planes

[@coxmosia1]

@Vlogging Through History, I recently discovered your channel and fell in love with it. I'm so glad you mentioned the movie "Midway", the 2019 version. I love, love that movie. I watch the scene from the movie "Pearl Harbor" where the attack happens, then I switch to "Midway" and then to "Emperor." I find that helps me understand better. I'm hoping somebody will do the battle of Leyte in a movie. Thank you for your detailed talk of history. I wish I had history teachers like you. I would have learn so much more than what I did learn.

[@owenfreed700]

Absolutely love your channel

[@jameswhite8230]

I've been looking forward to this. This where the fun begins.

[@letsgotothemax]

Fun fact: Richard Best and Norman “Dusty” Kleiss are the only two Americans to bomb two carriers in one day, both from the USS Enterprise

[@HankHill11]

The operations room is an amazing channel, please do more. As always great reaction VTH, love all the videos

[@donparker1000]

As an old tin can sailor from the early 1960's, I served on the USS Jenkins DD447 (Fletcher Class) I would appreciate your reaction to the "Operations Room" presentation on Taffy3.

[@davemartin4183]

Awesome spot on great episode 😊

[@jacobsink1014]

This video is really well timed because I am just starting a project covering Midway. This really helped me a lot.

[@jakesmith9267]

So happy you're reacting to The Operations Room. Their content is fantastic

[@curlybearington1734]

Few of these midway videos talk about the Thach Weave, which was first deployed on midway as an aerial defense tactic in dogfighting, and would be used moving forwards all the way into the Vietnam War.

[@forgottenfamily]

My favorite detail about Yorktown: it's presumed sunk in Coral Sea by the Japanese, Nimitz moves Heaven and Earth to get it to Midway when the Japanese bomb it again. They repair Yorktown enough that the Japanese come and bomb it again thinking it's a different carrier and not the one they damaged earlier - ie: their battle report at this point read 2 carriers taken out of action, possibly sunk. Yorktown is abandoned but after the battle they realize that she might be salvageable and try to resuscitate her. The sub comes along and sinks her. One joke I read was that at the Battle of Midway, America sank 4 Aircraft Carriers and the Japanese sunk one Aircraft Carrier 3 times. But the story highlights something I've been thinking about as I dig into the naval engagements at Guadalcanal: there's a lot of credit given to American damage control throughout the war and boy does luck play a major factor in so much but there is not enough attention to how the Yorktown Class was just incredibly resilient. We've got Yorktown's 4 "sinkings", I believe Hornet similarly was presumed sunk 3 times before she finally fell, and Enterprise's list of damage is absurd for a ship still floating at the end of the war - including getting a Yorktown makeover at one point Different note: as I mentioned, I've been digging into the Battle of Guadalcanal and someone put it a rather interesting way: Midway was where the Japanese were halted and brought something closer to parity into the Pacific, but Guadalcanal was where the Japanese were bled of their strength and pushed back. Midway's fun for us to celebrate because it was a one day clean decisive victory that shifted so much but the excruciatingly long campaign in Guadalcanal is badly underdiscussed - especially in stark contrast to say Iwo Jima and Okinawa which, while certainly not meaningless or pushover battles, were still cases where the US had 5X+ as many troops and more ships than Japan had built in the entire 20th century. I hope you get a chance to find some videos on Guadacanal. My video source has been Drachinifel but his videos are 40-60 minutes so not really aligned with your normal resources. He's got 8 videos on Guadalcanal alone so if you wanted to break them down into parts and spend half a month on it...

[@bobburris4445]

Also, Richard Tregaskis (not sure if I spelled that right) Guadalcanal Diary is really good

[@WoodenFloorsRock]

@@bobburris4445 I'll have to look into that diary. I'm currently watching the Pacific which is igniting my interest in the Pacific theatre a ton.

[@daffyduck1974]

I’ve been playing War in the Pacific for the past 2-3yrs now. I found it so in depth i started reading about the pacific war. To get an idea of what will happen in the game & how it would play out. I must have read over a dozen books by now & countless youtube vids on it. But yeah as a general overview of the Midway part of it your knowledge was spot on.

[@stanleyrosella1712]

If you mean WITP:AE by Grigsby you are so very correct. Iy makes you dig into those books. That game might be 20 years old but still The Game on this war in the Pacific. A beast of a game. The small details like the mentioned part on search, intelligence, logistics, locating TFs, coordinate attacks pilots experiences are stunning. Far from a graphical game. But it's a game for the very very long run to play. Glad it not only cover the sea batles in the Pacific but also the China/Burma/India theatre which makes you go after books on these almost forgotten wars. Try read William Slims "Defeat into Victory" or Lous Allen "The Longest War" to get into those parts, and why not Richard Franks just started new trilogy "Tower of Skulls". One need to see that it was not only US fighting the Japanese in the island and sea war, but also those forgotten places.

[@edwardnahanee5287]

Starting every vid what am I love you❤️ You’re the teacher we all want in life💯keep going bro we all respect and love your vids! I’m 22, First Nations/indigenous and from Vancouver B.C and I just love watching all your videos and learning so much! You make me want to go back to school to study history!💯

[@societalnormality2268]

Your additions to the video make the original even better. The more history the better!

[@LiamCash]

Love all of your stuff. If you were thinking of doing more regarding the war in the Pacific, I'd love to see something covering some of the land campaigns like Kokoda. Keep up the good work.

[@Hockey-gn2tj]

I love these kinds of video keep up the godly work

[@user-ld4xx1el6q]

"Tora Tora Tora" and "Midway" are the two movies which I own and will watch on Memorial Day, the 4th of July, and Pearl Harbor Day. A top ten list said that "Tora, Tora, Tora" was the seventh most accurate war movie.

[@Mobysimo]

I love these reactions and how your always willing to stop and look things up~ If I may suggest a topic to look into, how bout a reaction to a video about the Franklin Expedition?

[@anoldfogeysfun]

Good to see you getting into the history of your country - no matter at what era it took place . . . and as this is a Midway one involving your carriers - may I suggest a typically unknown 2 part documentary for you to watch/react to? A ship codenamed USS Robin (HMS Victorious) - which was borrowed by the US Navy when they had a lack of carriers to use. Both parts are only about 20 mins long by the channel, "Armoured Carriers" - but well worth a watch for you if you never knew about it actually happening. (Not too many people do know even now . . .) - Cheers . . .

[@Benzema117]

I recommend Montemayor's Pacific series where he goes through all the mayor naval battles like coral sea and pearl harbo, etc etc

[@DrydockDreamsGames]

Great cover HGG!

[@wwciii]

A great saying is "striking at antiaircaft guns with aircraft is like hunting elephant guns with elephants".

[@CodyChepa88]

Love talking about the war in the Pacific . Definitely excited to learn more

[@theunknowngamer1547]

If I recall correctly, I believe there were efforts to repair Yorktown after the battle. USS Hammann was next to her providing power for the salvage crews. However a Japanese submarine was sent to confirm the sinking of Yorktown. Thus torpedoed both Hammann and Yorktown.

[@romainesmith5203]

Wow, I just watched this video an hour ago. Guess I will be watching it twice now. Edit: Thank you for all of the commentary that you add to all of your videos.

[@juliannavarro3440]

You should check out Montemayor's battle of savo too, it's quite a contrast with midway, where the american lost due to miscommunication

[@Snakepit92]

Like others have mentioned, definitely watch the Midway videos from Montemayor. They're fantastic

[@RipTore44]

If you want to learn more about the Pacific war. Drachinifel has an 8 part series on the Guadalcanal campaign that covers all the major battles. The average video length is about 35 minutes so a bit longer than your usual reactions but not by too much. Might be a nice series to do Drach's videos are top quality.

[@skeeterd5150]

Respectfully,I don’t think he would have anything add a Drach video as he is THE naval expert on Yt and his videos are exhaustive.

[@RipTore44]

@@skeeterd5150 That’s a fair point. I was more thinking of it being a react as he learns type of thing for those videos since you are right about Drach’s expertise. Maybe a better choice would be the Hampton Roads video so he could tell us about the non naval context that surrounds the battle.

[@cragnamorra]

Refreshed my understanding in Shattered Sword (Parshall/Tully) regarding the IJN wargames during the planning phase. One of the "opposing forces" staff officers did indeed spring a trap which closely resembled what TF 16/17 did in the actual battle...with similar results. It wasn't Nagumo who quashed it, but rather the umpire team headed up by Combined Fleet Chief of Staff, Ugaki. The whole exercise was regarded by many Japanese officers at the time as a non-rigorous formality with a foregone conclusion, emanating - whether intentionally or not - from Yamamoto himself. Nagumo wasn't enthusiastic about this operation, but said nothing in objection. Apparently privately he indeed had concerns about the USN doing other than "following the IJN script", but just felt it wasn't his place to criticize or ask a lot of pointed questions. Interestingly, Nagumo was not removed from carrier task force command despite the loss of four carriers here. He commanded the IJN carriers again at Eastern Solomons and then Santa Cruz (arguably Japan's best performance among the six Pacific War carrier-vs-carrier clashes) during the Guadalcanal campaign. -------- The quick repair of Yorktown following Coral Sea to enable her availability for Midway is well known. In stark contrast stands what the IJN did *not* do with Shokaku & Zuikaku following that same battle. Shokaku was damaged but had taken light aircraft losses, while Zuikaku was intact with heavier air group casualties. Both carriers scratched from the Midway operation. What they could/should have done - and almost certainly what the USN would have done in a similar circumstance - was to crossdeck Shokaku planes/pilots to Zuikaku, to enable bringing 5 carriers to Midway. The *combination* of the two fleets' decisions transformed the Midway carrier force-ratio from potentially 5:2 to the actual 4:3.

[@charlessapp1835]

Ian Toll's Trilogy on the Pacific is an epic series. Get the Audible books.

[@calebjames7444]

I've been recommending Chris this series for months! I'm finishing up Twilight of the Gods now.

[@chancyhales5684]

I would absolutely love it if you could find something about Kwajalein Atoll. My granddad was one of the sailors who was there and joined the marines cleaning up the remaining Japanese after the main attack, and the more I can learn about that the happier I’d be! My granddad never would talk about anything he saw on that island

[@untruelie2640]

I hope this isn't insensitive or anything, but this Atoll is also the resting place of the former german heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen, the companion of the Bismarck on her first and last voyage as well as the only large german warship to survive the war. It was given to the USA (as USS Prinz Eugen) and later used in the nuclear bomb tests of Operation Crossroads, alongside Nagato and USS Nevada. She survived the Baker test, but was too contaminated to be boarded again, so she was then towed to Kwajalein, were she eventually sank.

[@blockoroidyt8458]

ANOTHER POST YESS!!!!

[@718Insomniac]

Yeahhh, one of my favorite channels. The Operations Room makes treats for videos.

[@Dannyedelman4231]

my great grandfather was with the 32nd infantry regiment and they were dispatched to Attu and later on Kiska

[@phillee2814]

I say - if it takes five air-to-air kills to make a pilot an ace, two whole decks trumps that ace by 109 cards (including jokers). Sad that he couldn't fly again, but that is one fully certified badass, with nothing left to prove, ever!

[@ericnorman5237]

About your thought about Yorktown being scuttled, you may have been thinking about the scuttling of the USS Lexington at the battle of the Coral Sea just weeks earlier.

[@paulcochran1721]

I was going to post this also. I wish there were more stories about Coral Sea.

[@kodiazero]

Nice i love history

[@LateNightAshes]

New viewer (and now subscriber) here. If you see this, I just want to share you make awesome informstive and engaging videos. Your inputs are timely, and information on point. Cheers to your journey. Great video.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Much appreciated! Glad to have you along for the journey.

[@neilenriquep.banate2483]

Now that I'm aging my interest for history and engineering is high I'm like the ambitious guy now that wants to always the one to answer first.

[@Dingus343]

I always loved the Yorktown, took hit after hit and kept fighting till it could no more.

[@Tundraviper41]

Fun fact: when kagas bomb, torpedo, and fuel magazines detonated, the explosion was so violent that the entire flight deck, hanger space, and much of armor plating was obliterated. All that remains of kaga today underwater is the hull all the way up to the casement 8 inch guns, with anything above that just gone.

[@SplendidFactor]

Kings and Generals is currently doing a documentary series on the Pacific War on KZbin. They've released 4 videos so far. None of the 4 touch on the war just yet, but they seem to be building up towards it. The first episode talks about how Europe colonized Asia.

[@russhineline4283]

Historicy, awesome word my friend 😁

[@ChuckJansenII]

The video is good and gives some decent detail considering what happened during the battle. I loved that the movie Midway 2019 showed Ford and his camerman. the result of their work was the Oscar winning documentary the Battle of Midway. Ford had been a long time friend of US Naval aviation and gave former navy flyer Frank 'Spig' Weed who was partially paralyzed his start as a screen writer. Ward Bond, a friend of Ford's and John Wayne played John Ford as John Dodge in The Wings of Eagles. Dick Best CO of Bombing 6 and Dusty Kleiss from Scouting 6 both scored direct hits on two different Japanese carriers. Best hit Akagi on the first strike and Hiryu on the second strike. Kleiss hit Kaga on the first strike and Hiryu on the second strike. They are the only pilots I know of who hit two different Japanese carriers on the same day. Kleiss also hit I believe a Light Cruiser, too, in a later raid. Japan did not have the pilot training program that the US did. They never recovered from the loss of aircrews at The Battle of the Coral Sea and The Battle of Midway. Later in the war the Japanese had several aircraft carriers but they were reduced to bait by 1944. They did not have enough planes and pilots. Former CV-1 USS Langley became a seaplane tender. Though not a CV at the time, it was the first ship that was or had been a CV to be sunk by the Japanese. CV-2 USS Lexington was next at Coral Sea. CV-3 USS Saratoga survived the war. CV-4 USS Ranger was the first keel up designed US carrier. It survived the war mostly has anti-sub convoy duty in the Atlantic and later for pilot training. CV-5 USS Yorktown was sunk at Midway. CVN-6 USS Enterprise survived the war winning 20 battle stars making it perhaps the most decorated ship in US Naval history. She carried out many firsts among them were first night time refueling, first night air operations which is what the N in CVN-6 stood for. CV-7 USS Wasp went down next during the Guadalcanal campaign. CV-8 USS Hornet was the last CV to be sunk during operations in the Pacific theater being sunk during the Battle of Santa Cruz Islands in the Guadalcanal campaign. When Hornet was lost, that effectively left only one operational Aircraft Carrier in the 7th Fleet and that made is Enterprise vs Japan. And CVN-6 won that battle. The Pacific Theater, particularly the Island hopping campaign was always of great interest to me.

[@Me.......]

They sent a message that Midway's water desalination plant wasn't working so when they saw on Japan's purple cypher that AF was having water shortage and to prepare that's how they knew Midway was the target.

[@podemosurss8316]

11:22 A similar thing happened to the Soviets with Barbarrossa: In 1940 the STAVKA conducted a series of strategic exercises simulating an offensive by Germany against the USSR. In one of those exercises, Georgui Zhukov (as the attacker) defeated the defenders led by Pavlov in the exact same way that von Bock used roughly a year later.

[@theunidentified320]

I recommend watching Operations Room's Desert Storm series, it's impressive

[@NebulusDerg]

Decisive Battles. Can learn a lot about Roman and Alexander and others

[@HistoryNerd808]

If you do OSP again, Red's Miscellaneous Myths series is really good and most of that, especially the longer form ones(like her recent Halloween one on werewolves which is really interesting) cover a lot of history as well since the series traces the development of a character. I did send the suggestion through Patreon a couple weeks ago but I'm just not sure where you prefer the suggestions, provided you take suggestions at all.

[@GreenJeepAdventures]

You may have been thinking about the Lexington (CV-2) when mentioning a carrier that needed to be scuttled by friendly forces.

[@UGCaleb]

If I'm not mistaken Dusty Kliess also scored two direct hits at midway as well

[@andrewstahl2274]

I think this channel should check out the Time Ghost Army videos, they got a day by day breakdown of the Cuban missile crisis! Good stuff!

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

One major thing about codebreaking is that the US cracked the Purple cipher back in 1940, and because of that they had some awareness that the Japanese were preparing to declare war late in 1941. At the end of November, Admiral Halsey had been sent out with the Pacific carrier fleet on a "training exercise", with orders to fire on any unfamiliar warships. And that's probably the only reason the carrier fleet wasn't also destroyed in the raid on Pearl Harbor a week later.

[@TheBrandon898]

I’d recommend reading “The Fleet at Flood Tide” it goes really in depth into the pacific war starting at the Marianas campaign to the end

[@davidwood8730]

The video did not get into it, but the commanding admiral, Raymond Spruance, took a lot of criticism for not pursuing the Japanese fleet. However after the war some historians came to his defense thinking the Japanese battleships and cruisers might well have gotten in range of the carriers and destroyed them. Spruance, who was only in command because Nimitz was sick, therefore insured victory by being satisfied with wiping out 4 carriers. He not only knew when to attack, but when not to.

[@joevicmeneses8918]

At the end of the war the US CV,CVL & CVE classes were Essex, Independence, Casablanca, Commencement Bay, Bogue classes.

[@untruelie2640]

You are probably tired of reading this, but montemayor's videos about the Pacific War (Pearl Harbour, Coral Sea, der Midway, Savo Island) are the best and most detailed videos on KZbin one could find. He even re-mastered the Savo Island one and ithe new version is even better. Please check them out! :) Another great channel is "Historiograph". He has made many high quality videos about the early Pacific War (South East Asia), the Siege of Budapest in 1944, the Hungarian Uprising in 1956, the Channel Dash, etc.

[@christopherkraemer4023]

you should react to history buffs videos on the midway movie! He goes over the history of midway and talks about a lot of the real historical events in the film

[@jj63100]

The Guadalcanal campaign could’ve turned out very differently had the IJN not lost those carriers. A pivotal battle, indeed.

[@darath1192]

As a side note, after the battle of midway the IJN started the conversion of the third Yamato-class battleship to an aircraft carrier, but given the state of completion when the ship was ordered to be converted, the size of her aircraft complement was comparable to one of a light carrier so she was more intended to ferry aircraft and materials once completed. When she was commisioned in 1944 she was still very incomplete but the Japanese wanted her to go to Kure to be fitted, and to no one suprise the ship was sunk on her way due to her lack of damage control systems and watertight doors. There are other similar cases such as Taiho, a fleet carrier also commisoned in 1944 , what sank her was a single torpedo hit wich led to further damage due to her damage control crew inexperience.

[@user-ld4xx1el6q]

In Poor Richard's Almanac Franklin writes, "For want of the nail the shoe was lost. for want of the shoe the horse was lost, for want of the horse the rider was lost, for want of the rider the battle was lost, for want of the battle the war was lost, for want of the war the empire was lost. Take care of the little things.

[@theveryworstluck1894]

Dude you add so much to these videos. All my History teachers in school were bullshit.

[@Henry_Varro]

In regards to the Yorktown, if I remember correctly the first attack did more or less take it out of the fight. The second attack definitely FUBARed the ship beyond belief due to the Japanese mistaking the Yorktown for another carrier. However it was by no means sunk despite taking on water Yorktown managed to stay afloat. Therefore salvage teams, and destroyer escorts were sent in to recover, and tow Yorktown back to the nearest port for repair. My memory is fuzzy on this part, but I think a IJN sub eventually found the small escort group and sunk the towing destroyer, and the Yorktown itself thus bring an end to the formidable U.S. naval carrier.

[@aprylrittenhouse4562]

I've just finished Craig Symonds Midway book. It goes into very great detail of this attack. Like the fact the army rejected Yammamotos attack plan. Then accepted it when he threatened to resign, which was before the Doolittle raid the invasion troops were marines not army.

[@Th3Shyguy]

What ended up sinking the Yorktown was the submarine I-168 which was taken by her captain through the DD screening unit closing to point blank range. Having sunk the USS Hammand and USS Yorktown she escaped to fight another. An extremely daring feat

[@johnveneron6049]

Great Job ! Books I have read that really helped me understand Midway: "Never Call Me a Hero" by "Dusty Kleiss (Dive Bomber Pilot who had two hits) and "Shattered Sword" by Parshall and Tully. Parshall and Tully bring forth several interesting facts to ponder. The Japanese could've had a fifth fleet carrier at Midway (Shokaku was damaged at Coral Sea, but had an intact air group, whereas the Zuikaku was intact, but had suffered heavy losses to her air group. The Japanese never considered transferring Shokaku's air group to the Zuikaku. Parshall and Tully also describe how the Japanese aircraft carrier designs differed from the U.S. Specifically the Japanese hanger deck was totally sealed, whereas the U.S. Carriers could open partitions and push damaged airplanes and "hot ammo" overboard. This design flaw led to the Japanese carriers literally cooking themselves from the inside. Besides the loss of aircrews, the Japanese lost mechanics that could never be replaced. The Parshall and Tully book is quite in depth and lengthy, fortunately the local library had it. Kleiss does a great job of explaining how McClusky followed the destroyer back to the fleet, but then McClusky did a poor job managing the dive bombers. McClusky was the airgroup commander, but he was a fighter pilot first. Fortunately Dick Best landed the hit on the Akagi out of the three planes that attacked it. A couple of great books to own: "Guadalcanal" by Richard Frank (a classic) and "Indestructible" by Bruning. "Indestructible" is the story of Pappy Gunn as well as his family's internment in Manila. This gives insight into how General Kenney made the Allied Airforces in the SW Pacific into such an effective weapon. (sorry this went long)

[@timbrady3090]

You should also check out Enterprise 360 but they go from beginning of the war and to the end. At one time it was Enterprise VS the entire Japanese navy. Patton 360 is also a great one.

[@thomashorner7474]

you may be thinking of the hornet after santa cruz we attempted to tow her but were attacked by torpedo planes and Halsey ordered her sunk. American warships attempted to scuttle the stricken carrier, which absorbed nine torpedoes, many of which failed to explode, and more than 400 5-inch (130 mm) rounds from the destroyers Mustin and Anderson. The destroyers steamed away when a Japanese surface force entered the area. The Japanese destroyers Makigumo and Akigumo finally finished off Hornet with 4 24-inch (610 mm) Long Lance torpedoes. At 01:35 on 27 October, Hornet finally sank with the loss of 140 of her 2,200 sailors. 21 aircraft went down with the ship. A similar fate awaited the wasp.

[@kingazteck5]

Actually there were only three Yorktown-class carriers Yorktown, Enterprise, and Hornet. I also recommend Montemayor's video on the battle of Midway for a more in depth analysis, and Battle 360 which is all about the absolute legend of a ship U.S.S Enterprise (CV-6), and it covers other events in the pacific as well.

[@JoelAAK]

Terrific breakdown. I would have put more emphasis on how woeful the US aircraft were at this moment. Buffaloes, Wildcats, Vindicators - outclassed. I would have put that up front as a huge disadvantage that was overcome. Well done on accuracy overall.

[@airworkzairbrush]

A lot has been made about Nagumo's decisions to switch armaments but the end analysis is that the dive bombers that would sink his fleet were already on their way and they're was nothing he could have done to stop them.

[@trail-wolf4x4]

Another issue faced with the dive bombers specifically is they never trained with live ammunition. They used wooden dummy bombs, and this caused issues because they were use to how the dummy bombs would act compared to the heavier live bombs

[@cinco_de_la_tarde]

I don't have a good video recommendation so you might have to try and find one but to elaborate on the weakness of the carriers while fuel is being pumped to the deck and the like, see if you can find a video to react to about the burning of the USS Forestall in 1967. It become the reason all US sailors are trained in basic firefighting fundamentals to this day.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Isn’t that the one John McCain was involved in?

[@charliedontsurf334]

If you want to learn more about the war in the Pacific, I strongly recommend James D Hornfischer and his books "Neptune's Inferno," "The Fleet at Flood Tide," and "The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors."

[@justinschauwecker]

The thing with the US torpedo bombers, during the entire battle, only one torpedo fired/dropped from an American aircraft hit its target. It was fired/dropped by a PBY Catalina.

[@jimig.688]

As many people are stating, Montemayor's videos about Midway are a lot more detailed than this one. I recommend you check out Montemayor's other videos as well. I'd like to see you react to his Battle of the Coral Sea videos if you haven't covered that battle already.