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[@writingcuriosity]

When filming A Bridge Too Far they actually had the real John Frost on sight, and he once told the actor playing him that he was"running too fast" when shot at by the Germans. He told him a British officer wouldn't run that fast in order to show distain for the German bullets.

[@ChuckJansenII]

Frost was played by Odin All Father.

[@AHandful]

@@ChuckJansenII The Real One was *on sight* , not acting.

[@ChuckJansenII]

@@AHandful I'm just repeating what the real John Frost said so bugger off.

[@josepherhardt164]

Showing disdain for bullets is showing a room-temperature IQ.

[@lamploughd]

"Position over-run, CO captured, all officers killed or captured, ammunition gone. Will continue with bayonet --God save the King." is the full transmission

[@clumsyfox5144]

Jeremy Clarkson documentary on operation chariot would be cool it contains footage and interviews from people who were there also love this channel learned so much

[@AssassinBlade5]

'What Does It Take To Earn The British Medal Of Honor?' I sincerely hope he gets around to watching this as it is utterly fantastic.

[@zanwar2185]

He needs to react to the Victoria cross one first before operation chariot

[@aj2k08]

Clarkson’s “greatest raid of all time” is also fantastic. Highly Recommend

[@aurelius7455]

To my great grandfather who fought in 82 airborne and jump at Sicily, D Day, and the Netherlands. Fought in the battle of the bulge. 1924 - 2016. 🇺🇸

[@beslim15]

My high school German teacher grew up in Amsterdam during WWII. She talked about carrying gun parts inside school books for the Dutch Resistance. She would trade books with classmates so the gun could then be assembled and used. I learned so much from her.

[@josepherhardt164]

In high school, ca. 1968 or so, I had a German teacher who claimed to have served on the Luetzow (a pocket battleship working the Baltic). He showed us how to do the goose step, and said it was incredibly energy-consuming, and that even well-conditioned troops couldn't keep that up for more than a block. Yeah, Herr Prow, someone still remembers you. For what that's worth. Just checked my high school annual: J. Wolf Prow, BA, U. of Maryland. Edit: The Luetzow was actually purchased from the Reich and became part of the Soviet navy, per the Wiki of Pedia. So now I don't know what to believe.

[@ryanmcwilliams8784]

I know it’s two years late but that’s so interesting I’d love to know more lpl

[@davemac1197]

If you read 82nd Airborne historian Phil Nordyke's combat history of the 508th PIR in WW2 - Put Us Down In Hell (2012) and American historian John McManus' September Hope - The American Side of a Side Too Far (2012), they both quote officers who attended the final divisional briefing and were witness to Gavin's clear instruction to Colonel Lindquist commanding the 508th to send one battalion to the highway bridge (there were two bridges at Nijmegen) as soon as possible after landing and securing the intial objectives on the Groesbeek ridge. Lindquist was a talented S-1 (Admin and Personnel) officer an early officer volunteer to the US Airborne and then given command of the 508th battalion on its formation and expansion to a full regiment. As a field officer he did not perform well, and this is made clear in Nordyke's earlier chapters on the 508th's first combat operation in Normandy, paricularly the heavy casualties incurred in the 4 July attack on Hill 95 (Sainte-Catherine) near La Haye. Command problems in the regiment were only partially resolved when Matthew Ridgway (82nd CO in Normandy) court-martialled the Regiment XO, who was combat ineffective on D-Day, kicked out of the Airborne and re-assigned as XO of a regular infantry regiment, to be later killed in the Hürtgenwald battles. Lindquist remained in place as CO, although Gavin did tell A Bridge Too Far author Cornelius Ryan in his 1967 interview that RIdgway did not trust him and would not promote him. In fact, Gavin said he had a problem in that he couldn't promote another Colonel in the Divison over Lindquist because he had seniority in the grade. It's unfortunatel that Ridgeway did not take Lindquist with him as his G-1 when he was promoted to command US XVIII Airborne COrps in August 1944, and when Gavin inherited the Division from Ridgway he probably had the same problem, and it explains why Gavin did not replace himself as Assistant Division Commander, so he was running himself ragged doing both jobs for Market Garden. In Nordyke chapter 9, he quotes Captain Chester 'Chet' Graham, who was the 508th's liaison officer to Division HQ and sat in on the divisional briefing, and he was also the unfortunate messenger who had to tell Gavin that Lindquist was not sending a battalion to the bridge until the drop zone was cleared and secured. VHet Graham said he had never seen Gavin so mad and told him "come with me - let's get him moving." On arriving at the 508th regimental CP, Gavin told Lindquist, "I told you to move with speed." Gavin seems to have muddied the waters somewhat with regard to priorities between bridge and ridge after the war, to avoid throwing a subordinate officer under the bus, but that hasn't helped historians. McManus has gone into this with a deep analysis and correctly concludes that Gavin knew the bridge could not wait and in German hands could be demolished, but if the heights were taken by a German counter-attack, they were not going anywhere and could be cleared with help from Guards Armoured Division if necessary.

[@teaadvice4996]

Love these reactions just found the channel. Go history! I never liked it in school but here it's fun

[@MulleDullen]

You are in for a ride, VTH is one of the best !

[@MomentsInTrading]

I never liked history in school either. In fact, for the most part, I didn’t get into history until just a couple of years ago and I’m in my mid 50s. One big difference at this age is that 160 years ago doesn’t seem so long (mentioning that length of time because the Civil War is my favorite history topic). When I was young in the 70s, WW2 seemed like ancient history. I mean- they didn’t even have color TV lol😂

[@coxmosia1]

Fun fact or not so fun fact, Churchill was thinking of removing Montgomery from his command. The British, however, needed a hero, so he didn't. But Churchill wasn't opposed to Eisenhower doing it.

[@CrudestPanda]

I think that one thing that is always missed when talking about Market-Garden is that people think that the Allies just lost most of the land taken by the operation after it failed. But the Allies held all the way to Nijmegen and only lost the land between Nimegen and Arnhem after the operation was over. It did take 1.5 months to shore up the flanks but they kept all but the bridge too far.

[@MrWWIIBuff]

That's why it's called A Bridge Too Far. At least IMO. Had they planned only to take Nijmegen, then the operation would be hailed as a spectacular success. Instead they tried One Bridge Too Far

[@JB-bv1rg]

The allies actually maintained control of much of the area between Nijmegen and Arnhem. [ Especially just west of Arnhem where they controlled the area all the way to the south side of the Rhine River. ] (That area between the Waal and Rhine rivers was referred to as the 'Island' and for a short time in October 1944 [after Market Garden] the 101st AB division was stationed on the "Island".) The first part of episode 5 'Crossroads' of the 'Band of Brothers' program takes place on the 'Island'.

[@deamon002]

Maybe in other countries people think that. Here in the Netherlands we know all too well what happened to the northern half of the country which stayed under occupation until May 1945. There's a reason the winter of 44-45 is called the Hunger Winter here.

[@JB-bv1rg]

@@deamon002 Sander Haanstra, I think some sort of misunderstanding has occurred. CrudestPanda and myself (in our posts) were discussing a small area in southern Netherlands near Nijmegen. I am aware (and I assume CrudestPanda is also) of the fact that much of the northern Netherlands remained under German occupation until May 1945. I am also aware of the Hongerwinter that occurred in the winter of 1944-45. Best wishes to you and everyone else in the Netherlands.

[@brentvfreiberger]

The fundamental fault of Market-Garden was Montgomery’s failure to open Antwerp. Antwerp should should have been the primary objective. Even if Monty had succeeded at Arnhem, 21st Army Group could not have crossed the Rhine in any kind of force. An early opening of Antwerp would have powered Bradley and Monty in an early drive to the Rhine.

[@timnewman7591]

A few points. The original plan was presented to Montgomery by General Browning, who wanted some use for the Airborne Army. Montgomery presented it to Eisenhower, but it wasn't his plan originally. Should he have given the flaws with the plan? Hard to say, but it suited his preferences for how the offensive against Germany should be carried out. But it's Browning's plan, and Eisenhower who authorises it, so I think there's some blame to spread around. The 1st Airborne drop zone was picked because it was open and a lot of the division was carried in by glider and needed fields. And it wasn't considered a good idea to drop the paratroop infantry directly on the town itself or into the woods (largely parkland). South of the river there was open ground, but it was also low-lying and considered too boggy for gliders. Whole thing reminds me a lot fof the Red Army paradrops around Kanevm intended to seize crossings over the Dnipr. Drop your paratroops, take the bridges, bring the armoured force up rapidly to exploit the situation. And like Kanev there was German armour in the area, the drop took place over more than one day, and it ended with failure. The Russian airborne forces, the largest in the world, ended up being used as ground forces - 9th Guards Army - late in the war, though they'd fought elsewhere too as regular infantry. The whole plan would have annoyed Wellington. He famously compared French planning to a well-made saddle, every piece precisely fitted into place. And commented, "I make my plans of ropes. If something goes wrong I tie a knot and move on." This was a very precisely made plan, with very few places you could tie a know and move on.

[@fogwar]

I think Montgomery and Patton's rivalry was very likely born out of the fact they were _far_ more alike than either one was probably prepared to admit. They were both excellent commanders and they both knew it.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yep. I agree.

[@sebastianburgess3122]

"Out of Ammunition. God Save the King".

[@Noxal99]

"I don't know much about Market Garden" - Proceeds to talk about it from so many different angles. That's why I love this channel

[@darthcalanil5333]

honestly, the single best and the ultimate documentary on Market Garden is the one by TiK. Nothing else so far does it as much justice and in as many details.

[@dagazx7795]

I actually live next to the Airborne square, which is a traffic square in front of the John Frost bridge. It is a very interesting part of the history of our city. Thank you for covering this :)

[@Godzilla00X]

Armchair historian is one of my fav history channels (don't worry, you're up there with him!), really enjoy watching your reactions since it adds another rich layer of education being added to already fantastic content!

[@johanrunfeldt7174]

About the different philosophies of Allied commanders: Both Patton and Montgomery wanted the tanks to push ahead as fast as they could, but in a slightly different way. Eisenhoower preferred a slow steady advance of the entire front, basically at the Infantry on Foot pace, not outrunning your own Artillery, AAA, supplies forces etc. He got plenty of criticism from his subordinates Patton and Monty for thus allowing the Soviets to grab a bigger chunk of Europe (including Berlin) this way.

[@liambenn1214]

So glad to see you coming back to Europe, I love that you’re able to do these trips so often now and I’m excited to see where else you go, I’d recommend since you love the British monarchy that you should come here and see all the royal historical locations. We have a company here called “English heritage” that preserve historical locations in the UK and I think that you’d love to come and see some of the ones we have here.

[@Victor-07-04]

I am just incredibly proud and gratefull to the allied soldiers fighting for the freedom that I enjoy today. 🇳🇱 🤍🇬🇧🤍🇺🇲🤍🇵🇱🤍

[@bradleysitsandsipstea33]

Travel safely friend! I’m very excited to see the way you go over the history of the market garden operation.

[@CodyChepa88]

Usually never late to a video but I have some catching up to do . Been in Utah camping for a few days but now I'm happy to get caught up on the videos. Keep up the good work Chris 👍

[@Irishbloke]

Does anyone else listen to these while falling asleep, end up having vivid history based dreams and waking up to some 2 hour documentary on Ancient Greece.

[@VAZZ8876]

yes, except it would start with history and i’d wake up to a documentary on buddha or some shit

[@Irishbloke]

@@VAZZ8876 yes I have no idea how KZbin algorithm takes me from the bay of pigs invasion to the Anglo Saxons while I’m asleep, all the while dreaming about being a soldier during the 7 years war

[@darthcalanil5333]

ok, the entire thing with the 82nd is MASSIVELY glossed over. It wasn't that they first moved to secure the "hights" instead of the primary objectives of the whole operation (the bridges), the main issue is that for some reason Gavin saw it necessary to use the WHOLE division for the "hights" and then spent hours shelling an empty forest because he thought it might have 1000 panzers. There was nothing sent to secure the bridge until much later by which point the germans managed to barely get there in time and reinforce. If the 82nd secured the bridge right after the drop, the whole wonky plan of Market Garden would have been hailed as a stoke of genius.

[@gallegosm1000]

Close Combat: A Bridge too Far(an excellent pc game) first introduced me to this operation and eventually got me more interested in studying the history of world War 2. I like the content you release as well including armchair historian who's stuff you reacted to here.

[@paulpski9855]

I use to play that game back in the 90's. I was just the opposite, I knew of Market-Garden for years, and was excited to get the game.

[@jacobduncan2142]

I had missed this video! Love Armchair Historian content.

[@quadri31]

I learned about Operation Market Garden back when I was around 9 when I used to watch war films and series with my uncle, most notably Band of Brothers and A Bridge Too Far, to this day it's still really fascinating to me and I keep on learning new stuff about it

[@orwellboy1958]

Band of brothers is a great series and arcuate for the most part, however do not put too much faith in Stephen Ambrose, her got quite a few things wrong, either by mistake or design.

[@thescienceeye3638]

Love these reactions! Today was my birthday and this made my day! :)

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Happy birthday!

[@remcovisser358]

Can't wait for your original content. You are most welcome here in The Netherlands!

[@remcovisser358]

My grandparents had been living in Arnhem during the war and were there when Market Garden happened. I myself walked the so called Pegasus Route a few years ago when I was still in the army. It was the route the 1st Airborne Division had to walk back to the river Rhine to get evacuated.

[@noahvandervelden3008]

Wow this is really interesting to see. I live a bit south from Eindhoven and my grandfather once told me that a British airplane crashed near a small town called Ommel in 1944. We went to a monument that was set in place for the young men who died there. Now I know the reason they were flying there.

[@Breezer08]

One thing i find worth to note here is the fact that they faced not only Walter Model (as stated in the Video he was a defensive Specialist) but also Kurt Student (also mentionend in the Video) who was a "Generaloberst" (1 rank below Generalfieldmarshall) but also the worst possible enemy you wanted to face, because he was not only a pretty capable general but also specialized in Airborne-Warfare. So he knew what were the weakpoints of Paratroopers and where/when to push hard.

[@MikeGill87]

All the operations to secure the bridges are fascinating. I managed to stop by the Remagen Bridge last year. One hell of an impressive structure. I wish it survived unharmed.

[@fishiesinthewater870]

Like the extra info you put into the videos

[@danielsearle1762]

The Jeremy Clarkson documentary on the Victoria Cross is great for operation market garden

[@Crytica.]

There are some really great videos about the battles in and around Arnhem if you want to deep more into it! I also advice you to go to the Airborne museum in Arnhem IF you get the chance. It's all about the Netherlands in ww2; mainly the operation market garden and the battles in the area.

[@Arrow352]

I honestly hope to learn more about the smaller allied nations. Polish airborne were mentioned and I had no idea of their existence. I know of Polish and Czech aviators essential contribution to the battle of Britain but that's all. Also I'd love to learn more about units like the 442nd RTC (who i really only know from Go For Broke). As always thanks for sharing with us you love of history!

[@erbytoyota]

"Plans for the entire operation fall into German hands" damn, I thoutgh the "You will learn this operation by heart'' from D-Day was the whole point of Not having it on paper on the field.

[@PastelFurry]

Always loving your videos and hearing your thoughts, I actually do learn quite a bit through your commentary because it very often highlights things that I don't really think about twice in a lot of the covered topics. Please keep up the amazing work, really wish that you would stop by Sweden someday, we have some interesting historical sites. also just out of curiosity, Is there any reason you haven't reacted to Sabaton in a while? You might have mentioned it and I just missed it, sorry if its an annoying question. However if you do pick up reacting to the rest of their music I would love to see your thoughts on the song "Saboteurs" about the heavy water sabotage by Norwegian resistance fighters during WW2

[@mickeencrua]

@Pastel: If Sweden joins NATO, you will have a lot more historical sites than you would have hoped for.

[@Bigrago1]

23:38 I read another version of this in John C. Manus' book September Hope. In it he states that while operation plans were discovered on a 101st glider the plans were only about the 101st's area not the entire operation. Upon discovering these plans the Germans just put two and two together. Also if you're interested in another video on this operation there is a YT channel called TIKhistory, he did an entire series on Market Garden(as well as some other battles not widely known) in the series he also challenges some of the myths surrounding the operation.

[@bigwoody4704]

British pathfinders were also taken prisoner along with their radios the Germans were listening to. By the time of the drops Walter Model new they were going for the bridges.Tactically it only made sense 3 big rivers,3 smaller rivers and another like half dozen canals to traverse

[@noahwizda2924]

I love seeing all of the old western and world wars content recently, is it possible we could see a video about the gray ranks or donner party?

[@moneymastermind2698]

Montgomery reminds me of George McClellan in a way. “I didn’t lose. I merely failed to win!”

[@johndawes9337]

the truth is Monty never did lose a battle..before you shout MG that was planned by Brereton and Williams, i may add a very good plan and IF Gavin had followed orders it may well of been 100% successful.

[@fogwar]

"My general says there is no point in continuing this fighting! He wishes to discuss terms of a surrender!" "We haven't the proper facilities to take you all prisoner! Sorry!"

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I JUST watched that scene an hour ago.

[@jasonpenn5476]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Chris, I just noticed your shirt in this video. Do you have anything, or will you have anything on the history of the 3rd Inf Div? - Rock of the Marne!

[@nicksykes4575]

@@VloggingThroughHistory Uttered by the fictional character Major Carlyle, in actual fact it was Major Digby Tatham-Warther. He used that umbrella to disable an armoured car, by poking it through the drivers observation hatch. He was born in the village my sisters family live in.

[@Avatar1977]

I feel like theres a drinking game to be had watching these videos, every time Chris explains something immediately before the clip he's commenting on says the same thing :D

[@avidficreader5040]

Market-Garden went from initial planning to airdrop in seven days, and aside from intelligence failures regarding the 2nd SS Panzer Corps, there were other compounding factors which contributed to it's demise. By September 1944, Allied armies across the entire front were reaching the end of their logistical tether. Sure they had taken huge swathes of territory, but they were still operating out ofthe ports at Normandy. Sure, there was the Red Ball Express, but at that point, they were consuming more fuel than they were actually delivering. Dunquerke and Calais still remained under German occupation, and while Antwerp had been liberated, the Scheldt Estuary had not been secured, so shipping could not proceed. In fact, the remains of the German 15th army were allowed to withdraw across the Scheldt unmolested, not even by air attack. It was the Allies' precarious supply situation that contributed to Montgomery pressuring Eisenhower into approving Market-Garden. "Give me supply priority and we'll be in Berlin by Christmas." Due to supply problems, the British had halted their advance on the Dutch-Belgian border on September first. The Germans had at last gained breathing room, and spent the intervening two weeks and change to scrape together kampfgruppe and establishing a defense in depth, since they also knew the British could only advance up the highway. Said highways was a one and a half lane road for the tanks, and was elevated over a meter above the surrounding polder, making them fish in a barrel. Knocking out even the first tank in the column would force significant delays, and combat often produced worse results. By the end of the first day, XXX Corps had only made seven miles from the border. They were intended to "brush aside" German resistance and be rolling into Arnhem by the end of day two. And because of the narrow corridor, even when elements of XXX Corps reached Driel, it snaked back dozens of miles of traffic jams. The 101st had to take five bridges, as well as hold the 15-mile stretch that became known as Hell's Highway with only three parachute infantry regiments. The 82nd had a different problem. German flak defenses made dropping near Nijmegen too dangerous, and Gavin was hyper focused on the supposed German threat hidden in the Reichswald, setting his drop zone on the heights for it's commanding view, detaching a force to secure the bridge at Grave, retaining most of his remaining troops to defend the drop zone, and sending a small force to capture one of the most vital objectives with a force smaller than Frost's battalion late in the day. Actually, the quick capture of the Grave bridge was due to one officer convincing his pilot to hold off and drop his men on the far side of the bridge so they could seize both sides, rather than have to fight their way across from one end to the other, the definition of "winging it." Even after XXX Corps arrived at Nijmegen, they had to delay the river crossing operation because the boat were held up in the miles-long traffic jam. And after the bridge was taken, they could not advance because their infantry support was held up and had to be brought up overnight. Then, the road from Nijmegen to Arnhem was basically a straight line, elevated highway with no cover and no room to maneuver for eleven miles. XXX Corps didn't even make it to Driel on this road. They had to use side roads and dirt paths to slip around the defenses with armored cars. Before the war, the Dutch Army did a study, and concluded that any force attacking up the Nijmegen-Arnhem road would be stopped cold, and would have to deploy light forces along the dirt roads to bypass the defenders. I won't talk too much about Arnhem, since that was covered pretty well. I will mention that the drop zone being so far away from the objective was due to high flak concentrations in Arnhem, lack of open ground, and the south bank near Driel being judged too soft for gliders. Didn't stop them from dropping the Poles there and blaming them when things went wrong. The Polish Independent Parachute Brigade was chomping at the bit to get into action. Concurrently to Market-Garden, the Warsaw Uprising had been going on for almost a month at this point. Sosabowski wanted to drop in support of that, but he had been assauaged by promises that they'd be deployed soon. Missions that kept getting canceled as objectives were overrun time and again. Another thing that really hampered and frustrated the success of the operation was the weather and the RAF. The 17th had good weather in England and the Netherlands, but after that, there was bad weather in one or the other, and that kept delaying reinforcement and resupply drops. Also, the lack of planes and pilots was a major limiting factor. Glider pilots needed a certain minimum of training, and after they landed, they could not be used until retrieved. C-47 pilots required more training, and the RAF (in charge of airlift for Market) refused to fly more than one flight a day for fear of pilot fatigue leading to unnecessary losses. They also refused to fly too close to city centers, which were know concentrations of flak defenses. So a lot of things went wrong on a plan with no room for failure, based on overly optimistic timetables and results, stemming from arrogance over their easy victories in July and August of 1944. In an interview, Montgomery claimed that Market-Garden was 90% successful. It may have been "A Bridge Too Far," but it wasn't a defeat. Disregarding the fact that it failure did not allow the crossing of the Rhine and outflanking of the Siegfried Line, it also required further operations to secure the salient in the Netherlands, and German crackdowns of the occupied Netherlands where before they had been fairly lenient. Also, the Scheldt Estuary remained in German hands, requiring the Canadians to clear it out at steep cost, only opening it to shipping in November. Too late for further offensives in 1944, but just in time to help with the Battle of the Bulge.

[@mathiasmueller9693]

I believe this operation wasnt launched to hit into Germany, but to cut off forces in the Netherlands. This would help cut supplies reaching the Germans in the Antwerp area allowing the allied forces a much closer supply port. But, and I feel this is highly overlooked, taking this area would stop the Germans from being able to launch their V1 rockets and V2, to a lesser extent, from hitting England.

[@rhett1029]

My Grandpas first cousin was in the 82nd and was most likely the oldest in the Division at D-Day 1LT Kelso Horne. He was wounded not too long after D-Day so was spared from participating in Operation Market Garden, who knows if he hadn’t been wounded he could’ve ended up KIA. He is famous for his cover picture of Life Magazine referred to as “the soldier”

[@xJavelin1]

TIK made a full scale Battlestorm analysis of this several years ago. That should be your go to for this topic

[@bigwoody4704]

no it shouldn't he is a dedicated monty fanboi who drips with nationalistic rooting interests

[@Yora21]

Market Garden is a great example of how amazing it is to be able to use helicopters to transport troops and equipment. It makes things just so much easier.

[@thebiglobosky7858]

Almost to 300K!!!

[@savagesnayle301]

The phrase over ambitious always comes to mind when I think of Market Garden. But as you mention once it was realised the men and materiel were available it had to be tried. Politically the race with Stalin for Berlin was on.

[@0097349]

If you have time here in The Nederlands, i greatly recommend visiting arnhem war museum. You’ll see lots of stuff and military equipment that were used during the war. Also the staff members at the museum are very helpfull there too. I learned alot :)

[@stephenparker6362]

Hi, Chris, that was very interesting and gave a very good overview of Market Garden, if you want something more detailed I can recommend TIK History who have done a very detailed version but it lasts well over an hour. I believe the Polish General was dismissed afterwards which seems very unfair. I must ask why was a written detailed plan being carried by a glider, I wonder who authorised that. I look forward to you doing more on Market Garden, its sure to be good.

[@thefoss5387]

About the Dutch resistance, R. V. Jones, physicist, and RAF Intelligence analyst, related the insane bravery of the Dutch underground, in an episode where they manually measured the bomb hit crater locations and distance from target, DURING THE BRITISH AIR RAID! Source: The Wizard War. R.V. Jones.

[@SLACKPLAN9]

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade/A Bridge too Far - Paul Maxwell, Sean Connery. Also, the SS Colonel in Last Crusade was also Joe Vandeleur's Deputy Commander in the Irish Guards. So, Interesting. Off topic - Star Wars ties - The actor that played Donovan was General Veers, The actor that played Hitler was Admiral Ozzel, Donovan's wife was Mon Mothma. John Ratzenberger played Major Derlin in Empire Strikes Back. Also, he was in Robert Redford's unit in A Bridge Too Far.

[@karlfoxlow8771]

Very interesting. You might want to look at a documentary about the Victoria Cross by Jeremy Clarkson which covers Osterbeek, really fascinating.

[@lelandnanny967]

Communications was the key to the loss at Market Garden. Years later a study of the radios used proved that the terrain was the main factor in line of sight communications used at the time and that no matter which crystals were installed in their radios, they would not have been able to communicate effectively.

[@Nick-iz9zo]

My grandfather was in the 82nd Airborne in WWII and was in Market Garden. Unfortunately he died from cancer when I was only 1 year old and my dad said he never talked about the war. But they did go see "A Bridge Too Far" together.

[@prins1of1death]

I think one of the major selling points for this operation is the whole "End the war by x-mas" thing. Just like every time someone invades Russia it's the most severe winter in ages. There's a ton of plans that go by the ending the war by X-mas idea. Which makes you wonder if people overlook some of the risks just because of that statement

[@RonEmeraldia]

I found two good videos talking about the german uniform of ww2 about how impressive and iconic it was at that time and at the present. These videos are "Aesthetics of Evil - The Fascist Uniform" by "YUGOPINK" and "Why Were The Nazis So Stylish? // Secret History Revealed" by "Real Men Real Style," where the latter focuses more on the Schutzstaffel Uniform while the former talks both the Wehrmacht and Schutzstaffel Uniforms

[@jbellrick]

The use of Gliders was increased after D-Day. They still dropped troops via chutes but that required good weather and a large open field for everyone to be dropped on. You get the slightest breeze and now your company of troops is spread miles from each other. With a glider, on the other hand, the whole company dropped as a group. Didn't matter so much if there was a wind as everyone went together, thus having a greater chance of survival if the encounter the enemy, vs a 1 against how ever many they ran into.

[@brianhall4182]

It reminds me of the Battle of Midway. Every single little thing had to go right for that plan to work and it most certainly did not. Same thing for Market Garden.

[@SirNarax]

Everything went poorly for the US at midway or Japan? Japan had a pretty straight forward plan that went badly wrong because the US learned of the plan prior. US took that information and countered with a successful but risky battle. Market Garden was risky but that is about the only parallel to make, Market Garden is probably better described as suicidal.

[@brianhall4182]

@@SirNarax Japan. Their plan at Midway was anything but straightforward, including a diversionary attack against the Aleutians, three separate battle groups, a submarine picket force, and assuming the US would do exactly what they predicted them to do. Which the we didn't.

[@mallc8874]

If you want really detailed info on market garden i would recommend TIK's video on it, its long but really good and very detailed video.

[@CypherRCX]

"I think I smell Montgomery.... by God it is Montgomery" "Give me 400000 gallons, l will go Berlin!"

[@TankerRed101]

I am actually doing an operation market garden staff ride at the end of May.

[@blobbymykey1446]

Love these reactions You ever done or thought of doing a reaction to the Jeremy clarksons war stories? Including the pq-17 convoy?

[@nighttempest7163]

Would love to see you react to Biographics' video on "Hong Xiuquan" which covers the Taiping Rebellion. Not sure if you know much about Chinese history, but I love how you break down the mentality of people in the past and how you use a ton of comparisons.

[@jojomazzocchi8968]

I feel like a VTH and a Mr Terry joint video/stream would send shockwaves in KZbin like the one VTH and Mr Beat did

[@jayzandstra1830]

they just made a new video on the finnish soviet war: WW2 From Finland's Perspective | Animated History i heavily recommend that one too

[@jkent9915]

“Out of Ammunition, God Save the King.” Is attributed to Digby Tatham-Warter, who is possibly the most English of all Englishman. He wore a bowler and a carried an umbrella into battle, because he was 💩at remembering passwords and (imo correctly) reckoned that everyone else would think, “only a bloody fool of an Englishman,” would carry an umbrella into battle. He survived the war, and was one of the pioneering photographic safari guides, (instead of actual hunting).

[@ostrichhe4d]

I know this is unrelated to the video but I just got back from a sabaton concert and holy shit that was awesome.

[@dinodude2756]

You should also react to naval legends,detailed and accurate history representation and great animation

[@stephenparker6362]

Another recommendation, Chris, this time from The People Profiles, its called George III the last king of America. Its quite long, just over an hour, but it covers all the major events that happened including his illness and asks the question has history largely misjudged him. I think you'll find it very interesting, it is good.

[@zanwar2185]

I urge you to watch Jeremy Clarkson the Victoria Cross it’s set in Arnhem operation market garden please react to it it’s fantastic to watch 👍👍

[@zainmudassir2964]

Good reaction video sir. Makes my Ramadan better

[@stribe7268]

Yes Urquhart was played by Sean Connery (Rest his soul)

[@thedoctor755]

A Bridge Too Far was such an epic film. Some facts were altered, but for the most part, it was a very honest portrayal of the battle. Gotta love Gene Hackman's Polish accent though.... NOT :) The poor Poles were done dirty though, losing almost half their brigade to casualties or being captured. They had spent their time in the UK training for a jump back into Poland, not Holland, but they ended up being the reason why what was left of Urquhart's men got south of the Rhine, back to the lines. I envy you & your trip to Holland... I've only been to the big cemetery in the SE tip of Holland, not far from Maastricht. I've seen the Normandy beaches and the route the Germans took through the Ardennes, but Market/Garden's sites are still on my bucket list. They say the people there absolutely love Americans, Brits, and Poles :)

[@cragnamorra]

Ever since seeing A Bridge Too Far when first released (I was 10), I've always been skeptical of Market-Garden...even if it had "succeeded". Have never heard/read a convincing description of what happens if the Arnhem bridge IS secured. The worn-out AB divisions and XXX Corps are still strung out along that narrow corridor with boggy terrain on both sides, and lots of angry Germans about. 9th & 10th SS panzer divisions alongside several others are still banging away. Would it really have mattered that much if the dead-end of the thinly-held cul-de-sac happened to be the north end of the Arnhem bridge instead of the south bank of the river?

[@oliversherman2414]

It's weird to see Armchair Historian videos from the early setup. I'm used to seeing Griffin sitting infront of really well animated office rooms

[@ja37d-34]

The Brits had both glider landed 6- and 17 pdrs, AT-guns.. Plus their PIATs. Nothing to easily defeat armour but they have some stuff. The artillery you mention are the Pack Howitzers, 75mm. Which also had HEAT-shells by the way. One of them knocked outa King Tiger... Later on, they, 1st Airborne, got MASSIVE support from XXX Corps artillery. The US had Bazookas and 57mm (6 pdrs) AT guns I guess?

[@danb4900]

So he was wrong, they had anti-tak equipment and effectively the best that the allies could realistically muster in that operation

[@Dinotk421]

I've always wondered why the focus was not put on freeing up the canal to Amsterdam instead, particularly with the airborne troops. Also, there was another KZbin channel video I watched that examined Market Garden, and concluded that despite all the shortcomings in planning and execution, you can place failure on the shoulders on one man, the 82nd's commander, Brigadier General Gavin. Gavin made the decision to focus on securing his flank and high ground vs securing his main objective, the Nijmegen bridge. The video points out that despite all the setbacks early on, the armored column made up most of if time delay after crossing the rebuilt Son bridge, and it was the later delay trying to take Nijmegen that prevented XXX Corp from reaching Arnhem while Frost's unit still held the north portion. Had Gavin made his first priority taken Nijmegen, his men probably would have arrived on target before the lead elements from Arnhem were able to secure a foothold.

[@Elmarby]

What canal to Amsterdam? The Noordzee canal would be further out of reach of the Allies and less strategically desirable. An Arnhem crossing had the dual benefit of getting around the Siegfried line and leave the allies a virtually clear run at the Rugr area. The secondary attack after reaching Arnhem was to be made along the IJssel towards the IJsselmeer. Which would isolate the troops in Holland, hastening Allied access to Rotterdam and Amsterdam/IJmuiden. If there was one alternative to Market Garden (other than Patton's logistically dubious lunge towards the Saar) it was an airdrop in support of efforts to clear the Scheldt estuary. That could have solved the main issue for the allies: lack of ports strangling their logistics. But for some strange reason the allies never devoted enough attention to the Scheldt until they ran out of other options. One of the big puzzles of WW2, IMO.

[@Dinotk421]

@@Elmarby My bad, i meant Antwerp...so what you said in reply just now is what I meant

[@Elmarby]

@@Dinotk421 I suspected it might be the case, so I covered all my bases. :) Yes, Antwerp should have been in the picture as an operation. The reasons why are probably best explained by allied overconfidence as a result of the overrunning of France and Belgium. Instead of planning an operation to improve their logistics they thought they could have a war ending operation. A serious mistake. Though Market Garden nearly succeeded I am dubious as to the success of an exploitation towards the Ruhr. And reaching Berlin was never going to happen. That's why the Scheldt was among the first areas targeted when Market Garden failed. With everyone's enthusiasm deflated, they got to work on more feasible long term plans.

[@robertdendooven7258]

@@Elmarby I totally agree with your assessment except for one issue. The area around the Scheldt may be too wet to support an airborne drop and especially gliders. Also, Montgomery insisted the Canadian First Army try and liberate some of the small French ports in the Pas de Calais so that HIS forces could get enough supplies. Had the focus been in early to mid September of starting to clear the Scheldt to open up Antwerp, who knows how much faster and farther the Allies could have advanced before Winter set in. The Ardennes may have even been totally in Allied hands not leaving a route for the German winter offensive better known as the Battle of the Bulge. The one person in the Allied High Command who tried to get Eisenhower to focus forces on the Scheldt was British Admiral Ramsay. Too bad he wasn't the British officer Eisenhower listened to instead of Montgomery.

[@bigwoody4704]

@@robertdendooven7258 Ramsay was an excellant Officer,He really did most of the planning of amphibious landings for D-Day.Read his memoirs unfortunately he died as his plane took off in France in Jan 1945 *The Year of D-Day:The 1944 Diary of Admiral Sir Bertram Ramsay,p.152* - On the eve of the Arnhem Operation Montgomery had made the following entry into the 21st Army Group log: from a purely British point of view Antwerp had never been a vital necessity. *The Year of D-Day:The 1944 Diary of Admiral Sir Bertram Ramsay, p. 151* Montgomery:"1st Army have withdrawn 6th Division - ready to launch attack to the Rhine with British 2nd Army on October 12th."(Author's Footnote p.152 - This indicates that even after the failure,Montgomery still intended to move toward the Ruhr before opening the Scheldt) Ramsay: this afforded me the que I needed to lambaste him for not having made the capture of Antwerp the immediate objective at highest priority & I let fly with all my guns at the faulty strategy we had allowed .Our large forces were now grounded for lack of supply .Had we got Antwerp instead of the corridor we should be in a far better position for launching a knock out blow *The Year of D-Day:The 1944 Diary of Admiral Sir Bertram Ramsay p. 159* "the Army was far behind organising as I knew they would be as they entirely under estimated their task and Monty had not given the Canadians sufficient support for the work (Author's Footnote In fact ,Montgomery had finally committed himself without reservation to the Scheldt campaign in a directive issued on 16 October, after receiving 3 "hurry up" messages from Eisenhower during the previous week)

[@dustindussault2864]

Paratroopers are also good at defending against light/medium armor when dug in.

[@milan190291]

I am pretty new to the channel, so im not aware of your scadual. But i am a Dutchman who's pretty well versed on market garden. When will you arive in Arnhem/Nijmegen?

[@Sam-tc8ic]

If you haven't already I recommend the channel TIK's Battlestorm documentary on Operation Market Garden. It goes into a lot of detail. He also tries to answer the question who's fault the failure of the operation was

[@mako88sb]

Yes, very well done, although the comments section got pretty ugly with finger pointing about who’s fault it was for its failure. I guess that’s to be expected with all the rivalry between the allied forces.

[@Sam-tc8ic]

@@mako88sb I try not to read the comments on most of his videos (especially the political/economic ones). I just want to learn and not get stuck in a shouting match!!!!

[@bigwoody4704]

TIK takes liberties with blame conveniently assigning it to Gavin or Browning 50 miles from the start when the wheels fell off from the very beginning.When Montgomery - I won't say brains behind the operation never even showed up

[@samnorth4394]

if your wanting a good look into Arnhem and the Victoria cross then look up "Jeremy Clarkson what does it take to earn the british medal of honour" he talks about the south staffs in arnham and oostabake along with the history around the victoria cross

[@Shadow8102]

You should do a video on Operation Mincemeat for the movie that is coming out in a few weeks

[@serpent645]

I was a PFC in the 82d Airborne Division (B-3/325) when "A Bridge Too Far" was released. The entire division was marched , I think a battalion at a time, to the York Theater to see the film. The release of the movie was a pretty big deal at Bragg.

[@TheLibermania]

I find it interesting how Montgomery, who i (when i was a child) actually thought he is one of the coolest guys, seems more and more like a questionable character.

[@markgrehan3726]

Whilst he was good unfortunately he was also a massive pretentious jerk.

[@Galahad1967]

He was heavily criticized for not advancing much after D-Day. The British and Canadian troops faced much more elite panzer units. Btw, as an aside. My father was in the 11th armoured division before the invasion. He broke his leg playing football before D-Day and when he recovered was but on supplies. Before that he was a bren gun carrier driver. If that had not happened, I probably would not be here.

[@diegof655]

I think either Simple History's The Soldier That Would Not Die, or Biographics video about Adrian Carton De Wiart would be an interesting reaction I think. The guy's life is so interesting he could easily have his own movie trilogy.

[@stevewalsh3001]

The disaster that led to the best WWII movies and video game missions. Check out his newer video on Aachen. Super cool.

[@ultimatewarrior5255]

What’s the new discord going to be like and is there a specific date of when the new discord will go live

[@myopicautisticmetal9035]

Don't forget that they had Elliot Gould on point chewing his cigar an still speaking clearly with helpful ADR!

[@loficat4993]

You should check out History Dose, "Last words of a Kamakazi pilot" it's rather heartbreaking but I think you would appreciate it.

[@wihistorybuff]

One glider survives in Iron Mountain MI at the WWII Glider Museum

[@miguelpaniagua121]

The american paratrooper in ww2 had tank drop be glithers like the m22 locust

[@instantbadass]

Allies be like: "Certainty of death, small chance of success? What are we waiting for?"

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

A Lord of the Rings reference will always be welcome here.

[@ChuckJansenII]

The 82nd and 101st were not being used because of this chap named Patton. He kept overrunning their drop zones. Then came Operation Market Garden. As Longstreet told Lee, "The way to the right was open." And Ike had Patton. John van Kooijk of the Dutch Underground depicted in Band of Brothers became an honorary member of Easy Company 2nd Battalion 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division. If I am right about this, then do I get a cookie. I do have cookies turned off on my browser. I do believe that in A Bridge Too Far Elliot Gould as Colonel Stout was actually Colonel Robert Sink. I read both the Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far when I was in elementary school before I saw A Bridge Too Far. I had seen The Longest Day before I read the book. I thought that TLD was a bit better as a movie than A Bridge A Fer Piece To Fer, Wooh Doggie. Both movies are excellent, though. In 1983-1985 I was stationed at Camp New Amsterdam, Soesterberg Air Base, Soesterberg, Nederlands. Thrice times several of us tried to get to Arnhem. The first and second time the same guy got sick at Oosterbeek so we had to turn back. Third times the charm right? We left that guy back at the base on that third attempt, but a different guy go sick at Oosterbeek so we had to turn back again. I never got another chance. There were no bridges for us to cross, but I guess it was a Rail Stop Too Far.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

It's also worth pointing out that Kurt Student specifically being there was maybe the worst thing Market Garden could've asked for, since he was the father of the German Fallschirmjager and was thus intimately familiar with the tactics used by paratroopers, as well as their weaknesses and how to exploit them.

[@davemac1197]

It actually helped, because it was Student that received the documents from the crashed glider near his headquarters at Vught and from a resupply schedule for 101st Airborne Division (the glider carried their liaison officer to Browning's Corps HQ and his comms team) he was able to use his airborne experience to extrapolate the airlift schedule for all three divisions. Model was unconvinced the documents were genuine, so Student informed his own Luftwaffe chain of command to have fighters over the drop zones at the scheduled hours. Fortunately, the airlifts after the first day were delayed by bad weather in England, and the transports arrived late, while the Luftwaffe fighters were back at their bases in Germany being refuelled.

[@davemac1197]

Further to my original answer, Kurt Student was interviewed by Cornelius Ryan and he said he had no communication with anybody for the first 24 hours, so he couldn't tell anyone about the intelligence he gained from the captured documents until then. By the time he was able to contact anyone, Model, Bittrich, Harzer, and Harmel already knew what all the objectives were. I can't put my hand immediately on the specific document (if I can find it I'll update this post) but it came out of a correspondence between Gavin and Ryan in box 101, either folder 9 or 10, in a letter on the subject of captured documents (all three airborne divisions had an incident of this).

[@antoninuspius1747]

Even though most of the paratrooper drops were accurate, there was much dissention during planning as to the actual drop zones. They were much farther away from their actual targets than the commanders of the paras wanted.

[@SLACKPLAN9]

If you ever see the WORLD AT WAR episode on Market-Garden, they interview Brian Horrocks. Watch what HE says about Operation Garden. He didn't like the idea of waiting to combine it with Operation Market.

[@keithbird8910]

The C-47 was one of the greatest aeroplanes of all time. No question.

[@brianhum8765]

You'd probably like the National Air Force Museum in Dayton, OH; they have these along with pretty much every other noteworthy airplane in history, biggest military aviation museum in the world. And it's free.

[@keithbird8910]

@@brianhum8765 I'm sure I would like it very much but, as I live in England, it might have to wait a while!

[@TheMasonK]

If Market Garden had worked and shortened the war we’d be talking about it with the same reverence as the landings on D-Day today. So many people don’t realize D-Day was an extremely daring venture at the time it occurred. We look back at it now as a stroke of absolute genius with the amount of logistics and counter intelligence campaigns but Eisenhower fully expected there to be 1,000’s more casualties in the beginning of the campaign.