Vocal Tracking done Right. Ableton VS Bitwig.

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[@nomad1517]

Something a lot of people don't realize with Bitwig: It's literally an instrument infused with a daw. Ableton is more of a daw than an instrument. What I mean by this, you can literally operate it as if it was like a octatrack or digitakt, especially with touch capabilities. The reason the buttons on the clip launcher are bigger, the knobs, etc. It's literally meant to be a instrument that is ever changing. Ableton has some of this, however push is basically the same idea, just with actual hardware. The downside to hardware, is it becomes dated very quickly. Software changes constantly. Just something I thought of while taking a walk.

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Great point, now that I am adjusting to Bitwig, it does feel like I can play the Daw.

[@paradoxic1888]

Just to add to your comment, the Driven by Moss controller scripts for Bitwig can allow you to customize any midi device with god-level capabilities.

[@nomad1517]

@@paradoxic1888 Moss is a genius. Moss is the arguru of Bitwig. Arguru was an early dev of FL studio who sadly passed away. Deadmau5 made a song after him.

[@vroteg]

I’d rather prefer to have proper daw with instrument capabilities than instrument with basic daw features. Unfortunately bitwig is the latter one. And unfortunately I can’t move over to something else because of stability of sandboxing. Even though I’d love to use proper daw.

[@paradoxic1888]

@@vroteg Not sure what you mean with basic DAW features. I've tried a lot of DAW's and have never found any limitations in Bitwig. What is Bitwig missing that Ableton has?

[@deeelle6567]

I have Ableton as a lesser experienced producer and picked up Bitwig after watching some videos by you and other channels--this is the kind of video I was hoping for!

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Its pretty amazing for vocal production, just like logic, but making the music and tracking in Bitwig, you can copy and paste between projects.

[@GregRband]

Really enjoying this Ableton/Bitwig series after your own considerations and use/trials. Learning lots as a hobbyist, even though some of the stuff is beyond me, its nice to know what can/can't be done when I get there someday. thanks.

[@EnervatedSociety]

Bitwig: You may have figured this out already but you can just double click the container and it opens right up to the comps instead of E + changing the mode. I think it was Shift Tab that will put you in full screen (not totally) , instead of working in the bottom panel (which you can pull up/make bigger of course), if need be, and back. I'm not at my computer right now and I do it out of habit without looking so . . . I think I'm right. I only use Bitwig for everything, normally, but a couple days ago I was approached to do a bunch of custom "beats" for a Hip Hop group, something I haven't done in about 15+ years. It's good money so now I have to fire up Live because Simpler is just simpler to do it in. I usually don't need it but a Slice+Stretch mode in BWS's Sampler would be great. Honestly I'm dreading having to go to Live to do this after so much time away. BTW, I like your Vocal Tracking workflow. Smart. I'm going to try it.

[@aabnamak]

I use Reason as a plugin within Bitwig. They have a few samplers (especially Mimic) that I'd say are better than Live's.

[@hleet]

Bitwig 1 ; Ableton 0 ! again and again, Ableton needs to get their sh*t together

[@timtimch1884]

I think the producers recording vocals through cubase or reaper were laughing watching this video. :) Because it seems to me that recording vocals in cubase or reaper is much faster and more convenient, on a par with Logic. Still, it seems to me that Ableton Live and Bitwig Studio are programs more suitable for electronic dance music, where all the sound is based on synthesizers and if there are vocals in the track, then it was most likely taken from a sample pack or Splice. P.s Sorry if the text of the comment is not quite correct, I use a translator. And of course, I could be wrong, because I haven't really used anything other than Ableton Live. And I write electronic music. Good luck to everyone!)

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

All good. I just finished 3 Albums for a RnB/ pop artist, all 18 songs in Bitwig. Tracking live instruments, vocals, recorded a choir and live string quartet, fully mixed and mastered all in Bitwig. I think every Daw is capable, just comes down to what works for you. I actually love Bitwig for singer songwriter stuff, along with techno. The audio editor is amazing and I love the comping for vocals better then ProTools and Logic. For reference I was a vocal engineer for Warner for 3 years, doing boy bands, some sessions had 80+ vocal tracks. Wish I had Bitwig then, it’s just fast and stable with the sandboxing of plugins

[@PsfhC]

@12:30 you can insert empty take lanes in your purple track, and then the copy-paste you want to do will work

[@steph_nyc]

Bitwig all day everyday! The only thing i wish was better in bitwig is to have my push 2 UI just the same way as it is on Ableton...bit thats a detail. Bitwig is simply than Ableton at this point.

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Have you tried using the driven by Moss script?

[@nukenoly8751]

definitely shows the beauty of Logic that's why I own all the daws and never technically switch

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

I do love logic but I hate that dropdown menu to insert a plugin. Any advice of searching better?

[@jclosed2516]

Hmm... I get your point about Logic. Sadly for me Logic is far too expensive, because you need an extremely expensive hardware dongle. As a PC user that uses both Windows and Linux, Bitwig is great because it runs perfectly on both operating systems.

[@seansmall3401]

I was considering trying to switch to working in bitwig but then I tested the automation and found out that it is straight up broken. The automation smoothing has a bug or something. Try taking a visually simple wav file, like of a constant amplitude test tone, and then make a simple automation on the volume from 0 to -inf and then back. The resulting bounce looks absolutely nothing like you'd expect

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Gong to test this. Good find

[@axelmaldini4218]

Bitwig Studio wins "Best DAW in 2023" end of story folks.

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Yup! Happy with the switch

[@LKBL8]

I just don't understand why you need to drag it somewhere else? It's editable where is it and you can put effects just on the main comping layer where are chosen the parts of takes.

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

When you’re in a fast paced session with a fast Topliner or a multi piece pop group, time is money and templates make it possible to keep up with the creative process. Switching to arm different tracks, simple as it sounds, adds up time. Keeping a main tracking channel that always recording you never miss a moment.

[@BeatsAndGuitars]

Couldn’t you duplicate the track in Ableton then copy and paste in your fx from your effect track? Then delete the audio in the first track. I’m I wrong ?

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

You could but its a bit cumbersome to do that for a whole session

[@tiny7438]

what about the recording workflow, I'm experimenting with Bitwig for some weeks now, and I found almost impossible to record a vocal because bitwig doesn't record in background so i can easily crossfade between words, like in ableton or S1 ! Is there any workaround for this ?

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

I’ll look into this

[@owlmega-101]

But how do you do the tuning? Bitwig doesn't support ARA2 yet, and it's less integrated with Melodyne. I have a similar workflow as yours (dragging the ALWAYS ON down), but using Studio One for the support of ARA2.

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

I do love studio one for that feature. Hopefully Ara2 comes to Bitwig

[@jclosed2516]

@@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE Yeah - It's one of the things I love to see in Bitwig.

[@trollingisasport]

Disableton.

[@CREATEEDUCATEINSPIRE]

Hahahahaha love it