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[@johnrowley8976]

All I want to know is what the Voice will achieve that the $30 billion a year currently spent on indigenous issues does not.

[@robwaterfiled6168]

without the precise wording it's an automatic NO!!!. pollys cannot be trusted to fill in the gaps later

[@VK6AB-]

Neither Burney or Alabanese will answer questions around detail on limitations (e.g. National Press Club, July 2023), and when one of the expert panel was asked about showing voters draft legislation her response was it "would confuse voters and limit flexibility" (this was reported by Dana Morse of the the ABC on 19th Jan, 2023). This is further compounded by statements made by Voice advocate Thomas Mayo (MUA) in relation to rent and rebates. Whether you like it or not these statements and actions have been made and noted and undoubtedly impact on peoples thinking . Moreover, Linda Burney is the Minister for Indigenous Australians and its her role to aid that specific community, in other words she has all the powers required to lobby and legislate on behalf of our indigenous community. Another point, there is an assumption largely from the ALP - Yes campaign that Aboriginal Australians are a left-leaning monolithic block incapable of thought, reason and the ability to succeed or determine their own direction. A remarkable achievement for the ALP, an extraordinarily shallow view based on a surprising lack of understanding. There are some 250 language groups and up to 800 dialects known in Aboriginal Australia. This implies diversity of background, history, thought, culture and beliefs - hardly a surprise, and you wonder why there is very real dissent from well respected public figures who are Aboriginal Australians, along with elders from various communities. Two final factors - for many Australians, this wonderful country is a successful multicultural society, many from different backgrounds recognise that to enshrine one group in the constitution with a different level of access to government has all the appearances of a racist construct in its own right (no matter how well intentioned). Once again, activists can jump up and down and yell blue murder but it doesn't changes the facts in issue e.g. one group gets preferential access to government enshrined in the constitution. Lastly, anyone that knows anything about constitutional law recognises that any change to the constitution impacts on legislation developed thereafter and this in turn has an impact on how that legislation will be viewed in the High Court of Australia.

[@darylzampese1855]

Why would anyone trust anything these politicians have to say? They have all lost any credibility they may have ever had .

[@mistersmacky]

Solution - all Australians tick the "Indigenous" box on the next census, that should put an end to this.

[@TrevorBaker-pd4ct]

The NO VOTE IS GETTING BIGGER 😂😂

[@deborahdw]

As an undecided voter, I would like to know why the government is calling me names and a "Trump" supporter (I would rather die than support that orange man) when all I would like is more information regarding how the voice will improve the lives of our First Nations people and how it is going to work with the Parliament? Since when is asking questions to gain a better understanding and clarity on what I am voting on considered racism?

[@steph4922]

I agree. But we should have a movement that is equality for all Aussies. Why is one group getting extra funding for decades and still demands more. It's so hard at the moment with the living costs and high interest yet this group instead of working hard, just demands more handout from hard working Australian. I've got enough of this. White, yellow brown Aussies should be treated equally too.

[@steph4922]

We should start a movement, all Aussies equal right no matter of your are white, black, brown or yellow. No special funding to one group, and stop the decades of special funding. I'm a taxpayer and I do not accept inequality.

[@simbi8797]

Well said.

[@xcrockery8080]

Political correctness was invented by Communists - its method is to expose dissenting voices to social exclusion in order to silence them. The Voice is an anti-democratic effort aimed at creating unelected governing bodies that follow a directed narrative.

[@FizzahEditz]

@@steph4922because aboriginal people are consistently left behind and perform much worse across all aspects of life. Have you ever heard of the equity vs equality argument? Do some research please

[@aussie807]

No detail from the Yes, just attack those who ask questions.

[@TG.34295]

there is plenty or information if you look for it. voice.gov.au/

[@johnphelps9788]

@@TG.34295 If you are trying to sell a car, you dont tell the customer to go look for info about it, you enthusiastically extol the car's virtues. The problem the yes crowd has is they cant show us any virtues they just waffle on that the car's got a nice shine.

[@dfor50]

@@TG.34295 That does not tell us what will happen under part 3 of the referendum - powers, composition and procedures of the Voice. Under the Republic referendum there was a constitutional conference where the whole plan was openly presented and discussed. There is no such exchange of information under this proposal.

[@gustaaf1892]

Why are public companies sponsoring the YES vote, or any political view for that matter? They don't bother to consult their shareholders to see if they support that type of expenditure, which comes straight off their bottom line.

[@davespanksalot8413]

It’s called advertising and is usually the purview of the marketing department rather than the shareholders directly. It’s a business maximisation concept. Don’t worry, it took me years to understand too.

[@gustaaf1892]

@@davespanksalot8413 How can funding a political position masquerade as company advertising? In any case, a public company like Wesfarmers has many brands, which the average consumer is unaware of, so the argument that this will lead to greater sales at the likes of Bunnings, Kmart, Officeworks etc would fall flat on its face.

[@majortophat3083]

@@gustaaf1892 Most of the time companies virtue signalling falls flat, but it shows that the company cares about something other than its profit margin.

[@petermercer5968]

It's a NO from me

[@stevious7278]

The Yes campaign, including federal ministers could help their case by simply answering the questions posed to them. For example; when asked if The Voice can advice the government on changing or abolishing Australia Day or if it can advise the government on defence policy, it is not helping itself by not answering; instead launching into some convoluted rationale on what they believe The Voice should do. The question is not what the Yes side believes or does not believe The Voice SHOULD do. The question is whether The Voice CAN do; and it is the failure to address such issues that causes such hesitancy among the voting public. The yes campaign may like to throw out the trope of racism, but that only reinforces distrust. They may like to continually claim that people simply don't understand. That's fine... So inform us a little better by answering the concerns; not spouting platitudes and glib patronizations. Contrary to personal beliefs, the Australian public are not complete idiots.

[@nerag7459]

It can advise anything it wants. What happens is up to government.

[@justaghoulintheworld]

@@nerag7459 The Voice would advise only on matters pertinent to indigenous Australian affairs. It is not complicated.

[@xcrockery8080]

There are no answers - if you observe the "Yes" narrative, it's all over the place.

[@stevious7278]

@@nerag7459 Oh of course... Just like during the pandemic..."Just following the health advice". That worked out well didn't it? The ideal way to avoid any responsibility.

[@philhogan5623]

@@stevious7278 following the health advice DID work out well.

[@jm2069]

We're going to unite Australia by favouring one race over every other...... 🤔

[@colconn57]

We favor the wealthy over everyone else ( See Robodebt) so why not??

[@Invictus357]

When you see two aboriginal men fighting over who should be doing a sham “smoking ceremony” in front of cameras with a Labor minister, and her aide asking who organised this shambles, and the minister saying “did we get the right tribe”, that’s a definite NO vote from me.

[@nathancallcott7749]

still think its hilarous they cant even say what the voice will do.

[@JohnPatersonAu]

The no-brainer argument: "Nothing much has worked in the past, so lets have another advisory group but this time, enshrine it in the constitution so that when it fails again, there's nothing we can do about it". Yep, definitely a no-brainer argument.

[@colconn57]

Enshrine Australia's original inhabitants in Australia's constitution. Seems like a no brainer when you say it like that. Doesn't it?

[@JC-zv3cv]

The no brainer argument is that Tony Rabbitt & Peta Cretin are voting No and are against it..thus the only rational, logical and ethical choice is to vote yes.

[@steph4922]

@@colconn57 everyone brown, white, yellow black all the same. The world belongs to humans and animals. Just acknowledge everyone.

[@nigelhickman2274]

@@colconn57 The last time someone tried to do that in our Constitution was in 1999 and 60% of the people & ALL of the states voted against it.

[@sircolinlesleyrowling]

​@@steph4922you should have no problem with the voice being accepted then 😏 ! But I know how you nutzis think 🥨👈

[@ybet1000]

THey want me to vote myself into being a second class citizen... where due to the colour of a persons skin or their ancestors they get special privileges over other Australians... er NO.. it has to be NO... who the heck thought this up... even a kid in primary school can see it's discriminatory

[@alexandragrace8164]

I am totally open to voting Yes, but I want to be persuaded that it has a chance of effecting positive change for Indigenous people. That’s not what the Yes people seem to do. Just present your arguments, answer questions directly and transparently. Linda Burney has NOT impressed me so far. I want to close the gap and I’m happy to pay my tax dollars for it, but I don’t want tax dollars and political capital wasted for a tokenistic sham that will fail to deliver outcomes.

[@majortophat3083]

high chance as indigenous bodies have been constantly defunded, of course, but the voice is harder to silence.

[@spandexballet2724]

That's understandable, if a government is committed to closing the gap then it would probably listen to advice where the independent body of indigenous leaders recommended advice said a hypothetical policy would adversely impact indigenous communities or harm efforts to close the gap. It should be noted this is different from something like the national indigenous Australians agency which is a government agency that has to deliver on the government's priorities which isn't exactly an independent voice for representing indigenous Australia.

[@Craigbainbridge70]

Definitely a no vote from me and everyone I know

[@steph4922]

At the end of the day. It should be same funding for all. No special funding or treatment to any particular group. All special rules and funding should stop now. Start a campaign for fair Australia.

[@brujonpatrick4779]

I bet u have a small circle of people u know. How about naming just 4 of them.

[@Craigbainbridge70]

@@brujonpatrick4779 no actually. I live in a community with a high population of indigenous people and everyone i talk to including the many indigenous who come through my store daily are voting no. I am yet to meet a person who says they are voting yes in real life. Plenty of inner city keyboard warriors are saying they are voting yes, but no one out in the rural and ground roots areas.

[@steph4922]

@@Craigbainbridge70 , I'm inner city and I vote no. Why should one group get special treatment? In fact, I want all special funding to one race to stop. It's needs basis, we cant rule out other kids, including white underprivileged kids access to the same opportunity. Oh yes, I was a normal yellow migrant who worked from grass roots to inner city privilege area. My husband and I work and studied. We hardly have a day when we don't keep up with our professional work. We went through a lot to get where we are. I just want equal opportunity for all aussie. No special treatment for any one group. I don't want discrimination towards my kids because they happen to be non black or non white.

[@Craigbainbridge70]

@@steph4922 Totally agree. Everyone should be treated equal.

[@roastmaster2000]

That advert is not racist.

[@brianjarred340]

Vote NO

[@subzerostorm]

I'm still undecided. I don't like being called a racist just because I'm considering my options, I want the best for everyone in Australia... Can anyone tell me why a voice to parliament is different to the cabinet of indigenous affairs? The minister is democratically elected, the voice members are not. If the minister is aware of the problems, is she not elected to fix them? Do they need more funding? Is that not a better way forward than dividing us by way of race in the constitution? Australians and Aboriginal Australians... I'm confused.

[@SwapwareGames]

they got 30B dollars of taxpayer funds to fix things , now they spend billions of dollars on this referendum when people just want a roof over there head, real cost of living relief, when have you heard average pensioners and workers living in tents in parks in the middle of Sydney.

[@Fiendish-_-]

The voice seeks to change 2 major issues modern day Australia have with their indigenous population. We are still the ONLY developed nation on earth that does not have a treaty with our indigenous population. The constitutional recognition of Indigenous Australians IS that final step in solidifing our treaty with native mob. Secondly the voice to parliament will be independent of parliament in that it cannot be defunded, modified or removed like successive advisory boards have been. Yes, we have had other aboriginal specific advisory boards but typically they have only lasted a couple of years to a decade at most before they are defunded into obscurity. That is why this time the deal is that it will be constitutionally protected. I will also add that the directive of the voice cannot be influenced by parliament which is why the yes campaign can't give people specifics yet, because it will be up to the voice to determine its own path and that can only happen if we vote yes to get it all started. I will also add that the voice cannot veto laws, it cannot even change laws unless it's ADVICE is accepted by the government of the time. The no campaign will have you think that the voice will have it all their way, take our land and money etc.. but the voice doesn't have powers to do that.. so it IS fear mongering to gaslight the Australian public into believing that.

[@maccart67]

Do what feels right for you. Whichever you decide, own it and keep your decision private. Wishing you all the best 👍🏿🌻

[@grantogden6271]

Where was the racism?

[@ianmoone2359]

After the new WA legislation, the voice vote will be a 100% NO from me.

[@tonysambar]

The advertisement was an accurate depiction of the facts.👍

[@dominicgalante9753]

I VOTE NO LOUD AND CLEAR FOR ME

[@robertholland7558]

It is NOT a debate! It is a ridiculous ( insane, idiotic) proposition that MUST be “cancelled” There is zero reason for any group in a democratic society to have a special voice enshrined in the constitution! Democracy in itself provides any group the opportunity to have a voice in parliament .

[@steph4922]

At the end of the day. It should be same funding for all. No special funding or treatment to any particular group. All special rules and funding should stop now. Start a campaign for fair Australia.

[@robertholland7558]

@@steph4922 the sad problem is that democracy is that far corrupt there is little fair es to be found anywhere. In fact I strongly argue we live in a dictatorship masquerading as a ( false) democracy.

[@DuckReach432]

Of course, if a corporation donated to the 'No" campaign, the narrative would be, "if shareholders don't like it, they can take their investment elsewhere."

[@ManicMonkey1987]

Naturally Dutton's supporters wouldn't see how it might also apply to the Liberal party either 🤷‍♂️

[@jackiechild9740]

It would be interesting if someone looked into who was bankrolling the no campaign! I'm sure there are no corporate sponsors for their side 😂

[@dfor50]

@@jackiechild9740 I donated to it because the Voice is a racist concept and goes against democratic principles.

[@pronumeral1446]

Let's face it - Dutton is just angry because he's used to corporations donating to the Liberals.

[@pronumeral1446]

@@dfor50 The Constitution itself is racist. Section 51xxvi lets Parliament make special laws for any race - which they have done for Aboriginals. So then it seems democratic that Aboriginals should get a special say in those laws.

[@S3018146]

What is racist about the ad?

[@2011Matz]

Gee! I wonder which way Media Watch editors vote?

[@realbron3255]

Genuine question. Can someone explain what exactly about the AFR add was racist?

[@Ausf]

It doesn't need to be racist. Just accusing it of being racist is enough to get them to apologize.

[@betweendrinks8885]

Just let us vote and stop the nonsense the Yes side seem too pushy

[@khmerdetours6123]

nothing wrong with that cartoon , wow when did we get so bloody sensitive? as for that minister, why can she not just answer the question?what is she scared of?

[@nigelhickman2274]

They have summoned the spirit of 'Jim Crow' - without any understanding of what 'Jim Crow' was about...

[@EchoBravo370]

The Voice makes First Nations people permanently repped by a body the Constitution would give them NO right to choose. It is a bad deal even for the indigenous.

[@xcrockery8080]

The Voice creates a governing committee affecting all of us that none of us gets a democratic say about. This is Democracy being undermined.

[@sharongoodsell9341]

The dummer they act the more they get !! Wish everyone could see that ,, I have health issue with them

[@rowbearly6128]

4.8% of Australian Parliamentarians claim Aboriginal ancestry. The Australian Aboriginal population is ,at the highest, 3.4%. Already over represented in politics, it would seem.

[@adamlouis3725]

do you care that aboriginals make up 50% of the prison population? or does that stat not fit your agenda?

[@adamlouis3725]

@@wayne5741 you think asian people have the same disadvantages as indigenous people in this country? ignorance

[@rowbearly6128]

@@adamlouis3725 Well, they clearly need to get jobs, education and better parenting. (They do NOT make up 50% of the incarcerated population,and making up lies just undermines your already shakey position). You wheel out that stat like it is an indictment of Australia. it isn't. It's an indictment of the Aboriginal culture and its inability to adapt. I suggest that you talk to Aboriginals in the Alice, Bourke etc..they aren't the ones crying racism. It's the educated, well off urban boutiqe Aboriginals that try to copy the US sytle division and guilt tripping.

[@briananderson7285]

@@adamlouis3725 who ever does the crime.

[@creativeproducer9035]

We really are living in the twilight zone. How is that ad racist? Confusing maybe - I’ve no idea what they’re talking about. But how is it racist?!

[@scottysmediaproductions]

It still amazes me that people read something on the internet and think "that's legit" without ANY checking. lol

[@LeGronk]

boomers. nb: this doesn't necessarily mean an age, it's more of a mindset. the majority portion of our media landscape caters to this mindset.

[@ThisFinalHandle]

At this point only a Carrington event (solar mass ejection) may save us from ourselves, disinformation and the internet.

[@JohnPatersonAu]

The ad was totally on point. No one could say what was wrong with it. They just didn't like it because truth hurts.

[@adoredpariah]

But let me guess you get upset if someone calls you a n@zi?

[@guyh9992]

If activists did not intend testing the extent of the Voice's powers in the High Court, there would be no need for a radical change to the Constitution involving the addition of an entirely new chapter. Albo and Burney will not be members of the Voice, they are making promises they can't keep in reassuring voters that future appointees in ten, twenty or fifty years time will remain as compliant about the extent of its powers as current Voice proponents claim to be.

[@nerag7459]

Its not any more radical than Cabinet is.

[@jamesransome-haberley9298]

The voice vote recognises that Aboriginal Australians voices need to be heard on issues that effect them. To the extent of this is dependent on the government in at the time but enshrining it in the constitution sees that it'll always be present to some capacity. It allows the voice to be effectively implemented today and to continue to be effective in 500 years time. As society changes the voice will change to align with with the changing needs of Indigenous Australians.

[@really-tv6dn]

spot on.

[@davespanksalot8413]

I wonder what powers this advisory body has that can only advise on issues and nothing more? I wonder if they’ll have more powers than just to advise, as a constitutional advisory body…? There’s obviously too much power in the ability to advise. It should be a power exclusively of the sensible few, like Woodside and Rio Tinto, the real voice-less minorities in Australia…

[@Gredddfe]

So I just saw the leader of a conservative political party state that corporations should have no place in politics. What a strange strange world.

[@harrysoothsayer5086]

Permission to put a post in - Ask WA

[@twistedaus]

Peter Dutton shopping at Kmart or Bunnings....HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@Stungray22]

Potato doesn't shop , probably couldn't name the price of bread n milk

[@brujonpatrick4779]

⁠@@Stungray22yes well said, thought the same, potatoe head couldn’t drive a nail into a bar of soap. Agre with @twistedaus also.

[@DANINREDDY]

Remember when he started crying when old mate (forget her name) called him Voldemort...

[@markferrari8955]

Please just state the facts!! 1. What problem it solves 2. How will it effect the average Australian. No rhetoric please just state provable facts.

[@briananderson7285]

Nothing wrong with the cartoon, soft skined baby's.

[@thenewvoice8]

Weren't such cartoons the normal stuff in daily papers every day? It was in the UK where I grew up.

[@SwapwareGames]

we used to get cartoons in the age and the herald sun all the time - hook then knight used to be classic cartoons mocking everyone left right and center for a laugh and those comedies sold papers were enjoyable to read, these days you pick up a paper its not the same.. its mostly one way or the highway in the major newspaper organisations, theres still the australian and the AFR but used to love reading the herald sun, and the age. also watching the ABC (no longer) however media watch is an exception i hope the ABC wakes up smells the coffee brewing (its slowly turning) but need to see more, left and right, as ABC has mostly been left lately

[@k0mm4nd3r_k3n]

@@SwapwareGames The ABC is in a tough spot, because it has to try and represent the central Australian view. The right has been increasingly engaging in blood sacrificing virgins to summon Cthulhu Lord of Darkness, and the ABC has to somehow portray the rise in right-wing degeneracy as normal.

[@DANINREDDY]

Doesn't justify it!

[@markreeder1051]

There are numerous advisory groups to the government already in place, this new option is just that but with surety so the government of the day cannot dismantle it.

[@xcrockery8080]

ATSIC was dismantled after a Royal Commission found it was dysfunctional and corrupt and had worsened aboriginal disadvantage. If the sole purpose of making a Constitutional change is to protect ATSIC 2.0 from scrutiny should it become captured by corruption, then we should all vote "no", without question.

[@markreeder1051]

Governments and corporations have found to be corrupt but they don't get demolished. I think if you use your example as learning from the past this can work.

[@majortophat3083]

@@xcrockery8080 The voice can be investigated by NACC, it has term limits as well to stop people staying. Also if you read the report from the ASTIC royal commission, you would see it argued for changing the model to include term limits and have people elected to the commission? all most sound like something now...

[@xcrockery8080]

@@markreeder1051 Which "governments and corporations" have the Constitution amended to help shield them from scrutiny?

[@xcrockery8080]

@@majortophat3083 But people are saying it has to be added to the Constitution to *prevent* it from coming under scrutiny? Which is it? And why dilute democracy in the first place by imposing an unelected body as an effective 3rd chamber?

[@user-sb8tz3bd6h]

Voting no.

[@russe19642]

Ok boomer

[@ThisFinalHandle]

Why Robyn?

[@TG.34295]

Why? Did your family get there land taken from them,did people steal there families from them, making them slaves, making them conform to there religion all because of there skin colour and because they thought they where superior. Has any of that ever happened to anyone in your family? I didnt think so...

[@steph4922]

@@redbuoy9496 , no. At the end of the day. It should be same funding for all. No special funding or treatment to any particular group. All special rules and funding should stop now. Start a campaign for fair Australia. This lot don't take accountability, they will still blame someone else for their problem. Don't let them fool you into thinking things will be better. It won't.

[@russe19642]

@@steph4922 ok, tell me what the voice is all about, enlighten us all

[@shaneharrisnj3484]

And speaking of American Express, they can confirm that Voice actress turned volunteer Lisa Ng (And a friend of hers who represents the Toronto based "Hip urban girl" website and initiative) is a brand ambassador for Amex Canada, as one promotional video that was uploaded by them in the late 2010s. Prior to that, Lisa Ng was the voice of Dana on the 2005 pilot and the 2006-08 Canadian cartoon comedy, "Wayside", which really didn't have a big cult following in Australia compared to the US, UK and of course, Canada.

[@trinity_0123]

The Voice now. What’s next in the future? The Voice 2 (for China in Australia), the Voice 3 (for France in Australia), the Voice 4 (for… other communities)? This whole idea about the Voice is just dividing Australia. There are other ways to recognise the Aboriginal cultures.

[@Reoh0z]

The Government explained it fine, the problem is there's twenty times as many in the Sensationalism Industry spreading lies to fans who love to gobble them up.

[@markedgecliff7412]

Bare in mind which class owns the media and that a yes vote (assuming it would actually foster any change) would create more oversight of business.

[@jackiechild9740]

Agreed

[@k0mm4nd3r_k3n]

Conservatives don't think, they react. Their feelings matter.

[@fluWmiR]

They did? Excellent, then you can tell me what exactly the 'Treaty' and 'Truth' steps of the 'Voice, Treaty, Truth' plan will entail, and I can change my vote to yes. Looking forward to hearing from you!

[@gustaaf1892]

The government hasn't been able to give plausible reason for the Voice beyond "trust us". That is why people don't trust something that will advantage 3% of the population over the other 97%, particularly when the PM has already stated that it would be a very brave government that ignores the Voice.

[@jamessparkes5516]

Hey media watch- who gets the advert revenue for this channel? And do ads that appear on these vids meet ABC policies?

[@nerag7459]

No one knows.

[@sircolinlesleyrowling]

No one cares ,, except Murdoch's attack dogs !

[@kevinsmith3671]

Simply vote NO for the sake of Australia your children and your children's children.

[@alexwilding8451]

Can somebody please explain what it is that is racist about that cartoon? I sincerely don't know what about it is racist.

[@garytaylor136]

Great add,

[@adamstickmanf]

I'll take my money elsewhere thanks

[@kympridham8267]

He is right keep big money out of campaign

[@liveleigh]

Trump? That's a stretch. But this is a very divisive topic, and legislation. If we are not all Australians then what are we? The NIAA does everything the voice should. Why don't we look at where all the money is going before playing with the constitution?

[@bodybalanceU2]

only divisive because people like you make it so - it was the same screaming about Mabo - yet that never eventuated from all the fear and scare campaign - the indigenous people deserve a voice in parliament after all they have suffered under a racist constitution that saw them less than human - their voice wont affect your lifestyle mate

[@TG.34295]

​​​@@bodybalanceU2100% Because Aboriginal people have never been treated equally. It's not a big ask.

[@tonybloomfield5635]

@@bodybalanceU2Enshrining in Australia's constitution an avenue to Government and Parliament for one group of Australians that others do not have fits the very definition of division however you might want to spin it.

[@coolhandluke1503]

I think that's part of the idea, to redirect funds more thoughtfully. You might be able to call yourself an Australian, but do you consider yourself a custodian of this land? The ones that trash this land and wear a Eureka flag as a symbol of racism should be sent to the missions!

[@bodybalanceU2]

@@tonybloomfield5635 their has to be equality in the first place for your argument to have merit - indigenous people had to fight to even be seen as human - when equality feels like oppression to the privileged or racist

[@gregoryrussell8097]

Linda is no politician,just stating fact

[@U24B6]

What is the point of a Voice when nobody is listening?!?

[@Yvonne-le6ju]

Say no Say no to communism

[@sweetpea7715]

I am glad I saw this, I will be selling my shares. Coles is no longer apart of Westfarmers

[@justaghoulintheworld]

There is only one poll.

[@nigelhickman2274]

There are lots of polls, but only few matter...

[@garryjones2609]

@@nigelhickman2274I would have thought all the Poles matter, voting in the Voice.

[@nigelhickman2274]

@@garryjones2609 Did you mean Proles? because that seems the most commonly accepted form of discrimination these day...

[@JohnPatersonAu]

If you have to stoop to calling people racists, you have lost the argument.

[@creeib]

There should be no debate. Human rights should not have to be begged for

[@anthonysutherland4108]

The pub test 'survey'... "Are you racially prejudiced against Aboriginals?" Result. "Not yet, but nearly"...🇦🇺

[@mikenicholas9017]

The no brainer argument for me is that Australia was federated, very clearly, with the extinction of Aboriginality as a central feature. A few retrofits over time have happened, but for the most part, these design features still run in the background. You might not notice or care because they are not aimed at you, but Aboriginal people do, and they'd like to have a word about some of our design features, which they have problems with.

[@xcrockery8080]

Oh well, like all tiny minorities, they will need to resign themselves to living in a society that is run for the common good, not for their personal benefit.

[@dfor50]

What rubbish - please show me where in our federation "Australia was federated, very clearly, with the extinction of Aboriginality as a central feature".

[@andrewthomas695]

Robodebt, PwC, the 'no campaign'. All manifestation of modern Australia. I think I am going to be sick.

[@andrewferrier3351]

This show is amazing, keep up the good work

[@creeib]

I despair 😢

[@kennethbrennan2916]

Oh look the leaders of the voice are going to be very rich while the people will still be where they are now.this is just a grift.

[@mandy7422]

Its a big fact no from me

[@nickmitch8731]

please someone explain TRUMP stile politics ??????

[@churly9717]

Vote YES to a suggestion box outside parliament. Same thing, a lot cheaper.

[@Itmakesyouthink]

Would a No Vote, withhold any rights, that non Indigenous Australians have, and if a Yes Vote gets up, would it be one Voice, or many?

[@nerag7459]

Would saying no not fail to withhold any rights that non indigenous people don't not have?

[@StrangeLoops4]

Always a pleasure to watch media bites

[@saberint]

Whilst we laugh about the media who mocked the fake MCC members, I’m not seeing anyone commenting on the fact that these people gleefully mocked people’s names. I had hoped, that as a society we had moved past that but it seems not

[@prosperow]

i have not been polled once so ....

[@jonh9561]

Re the cricket segment, Mr Barry stated, "Proving that Australia should become a republic" this should not be a taxpayer funded platform to express biased views. Media Watch needs to be run by an independent body/organisation, why is the news media, ABC News policing what other media groups do and publish?

[@majortophat3083]

yeah this is why I don't like media,, i do like Barry's statement but if he claims to be the media police than he should not be making these statements, of course no one can be unbiased.

[@redfern_mike]

If Dutton doesn't want it, that's enough for me to vote YES

[@chrishewitt4220]

So don't spend your money at Coles or Bunnings then, Mr Dutton! Simples...

[@ShishakliAus]

Of course it does... Media keeps pushing conservative talking points, Sarah of ABC included

[@danielfranks6565]

'Nothing much has worked in the past, and the voice will give Indigenous Australians a say in matters that affect them'. What more needs to be said.

[@darensavy5014]

Brilliant Ep Media Watch 💪

[@ahmad_elabdullahcuz]

Stop talking horrible about Sydney because the climate might change very soon

[@hawkesworth1712]

The LNP really are trying to get as much support as possible from their racist base - particularly in regional and rural Australia.

[@sircolinlesleyrowling]

Yep ,, they are playing the drumphtard reverse accusation games !

[@falconmclenny7284]

Racist base? This is why the no vote will win, what am incredibly stupid thing to say, people that aren't on your side of politics are racist.. while you are pro apartheid? Unreal. Get some self awareness.

[@DANINREDDY]

I would not be surprised if there is some serious money behind the 'no' campaign from the mining companies...

[@kympridham8267]

well i am done with bunnings and kmart

[@brujonpatrick4779]

Good luck with getting a tap washer on a weekend. U r all crap.

[@terrencewalker8219]

Like many others I do not watch television or read newspapers. Don't know what this vote is about. Would it be so hard for the proponents to accept that we now live in the 21st century?

[@tauIrrydah]

Re-branding red-peril is makes these lobby groups look cheap and weak.

[@vinceelliott4362]

Toughen up Australia. It was a joke Joyce.

[@wadejohnson3051]

As soon as the yes side comes back at the Peter Dutton No abuse the yes side gets called the bully. Are legacy media actually serious. Surely, Australians see the hypocrisy in the No campaign. Really disappointing.

[@falconmclenny7284]

Old mates definitely in a liberal bubble. This referendum is going to get smashed, not one state will give it a majority.

[@davespanksalot8413]

@@wayne5741Screen shot your comment here and send it straight to the IPA! They need more good ideas…

[@davespanksalot8413]

@@wayne5741 Are they the only options I get for what it was that I was suggesting in my previous comment? Or can I ask for more?

[@jamesransome-haberley9298]

The those opposing the voice please note. The voice is designed to unite Australia, give a platform where the white man no longer is the dominating voice effecting the lives of indigenous Australians. Education rates amongst Aboriginal Australians is abysmal in comparison to white Australia. incarceration rates I'm Australia disproportionatly represent our Indigenous communities, and the plain life expectancy of Indigenous Australians 8 years worse of compared to their non-idigenous counterparts. A voice won't fix these issues on there own but it will get people who understand Indigenous culture, life, and values to the table in seeking solutions to reconciliation efforts with white Australia, in building a Australia where each of us get a fair go not based upon the coulor of our skin. It won't be perfect, no policy ever is but it will do significantly more than what's currently in place. Forcing governments to recognise the facts within indigenous issues now and into the future. Such large changes in Australian society is scary, implementing gun laws, Medicare and Australia becoming a federation. But without those big changes occurring you wouldn't have many best aspects of Australian society. A yes vote recognises the injustices of the past, but a willingness to reconcile for the future. A no vote turns a blind eye to the inherent racist policys made for Aboriginal Australians in the past opening the doors to allow future governments to make the same mestakes that history now frowns so strongly upon. Feel free to respond but structure your arguments or questions in a logical, objective mannor please.

[@steph4922]

We should start a movement, all Aussies equal right no matter of your are white, black, brown or yellow. No special funding to one group, and stop the decades of special funding. I'm a taxpayer and I do not accept inequality.

[@jamesransome-haberley9298]

@@steph4922 agreed, at the end of the day that's what the voice is trying to active, not as the soul solution of course but as a key point in helping Australia be equal in turn helping our art-descrimination acts work more effectively for all.

[@steph4922]

Plus, why is their education not the same as everyone else when there's also school there or their health. It's not just white, we are yellow. We can't even speak fluent English when we got there, but we worked hard and get to university. Get better than average grades, apply to hundreds of jobs before we got a look at. But once we get a job we work hard and sometimes we get a raise. No one measured our life expectancy or health outcomes etc. we work so hard it's crazy. Even from primary schools most Asians kids are expected to learn and be responsible, respect the teacher. We probably work too hard so have bad health outcome too. Also, have you thought about the fact that natives had bad health outcome to begin with? Maybe it's not something to do with the society, it's just their genetic make up. Like how some Japanese always have a longer life span compared to white people? Change can happen and needs to happen from within the family instead of some organisation telling them etc. it's change from within. I have friends who tells me to start to look at investments after working a few years. They are not from any organisation or get pay to share their ideas. It's not fair Aussies are paying and have paid billions of dollars and it still doesn't work. Just get their own community to speak to their people if they want the community to change. No need for funding, these are community volunteer work. The other thing is, maybe this group don't want to go to school or work. It's in the culture to roam around and find food. So why are we expecting them to work if they just don't want to. At the end of the day. It should be same funding for all. No special funding to any particular group.

[@steph4922]

@@jamesransome-haberley9298 , I'm yellow aussie. I don't see other groups getting another special voice. I don't want a special voice for my people... because then the browns will need a special voice, so does the muslims, Hindu etc. That's also unfair to the whites. I'm sorry I just want everyone to have the same avenue instead of the voice for just natives, if the voice is for all Australian, then I'm for it.

[@michaellodge3849]

There are indigenous people who aren't suffering but are successful. There are non-indigenous people who are suffering the results of generational poverty with the related issues such as crime and substance abuse. Judging indigenous people as if they're some kind of monolith is a mistake. If we want to close the gap we need to stop acting as if indigenous people are a special case. They're not, they're people just like everyone else. The fact that so many of our fellow Australians are suffering is an issue but if we want to get to the root cause of the issue, which in my opinion is the basic idea of us vs them, we need to start looking at people as people, not as racial groups. Tribalism is a thing and isn't going to go away. It seems to be human nature. If we were to stop focusing on suffering indigenous communities as indigenous and instead focused on them as our fellow Australians regardless of race then we may start to move towards a point where tribalism works in everyone's favour. The voice doesn't do any of this. The voice enshrines in our constitution the idea that indigenous Australians are somehow different to the rest of us. The idea that the voice is unifying seems to me to be a sick joke.

[@philhogan5623]

I don't know why people are getting so hot under the collar. Just vote yes or no, accept the result, and move on. Our way of life isn't under any threat.

[@falconmclenny7284]

It absolutely is. Why are you so naive?

[@adoredpariah]

Because some media organisations are paid to get hot under the collar at the most banal stuff, clutch pearls, fake outrage, engage in hyperbole and push the envelope on how they go about doing that. Then when they get the slightest bit of pushback, immediately cry foul in some way. It's the Murdoch way.

[@geoffhalpin5976]

Common theads to the No argument are the denial of history; an absence of compassion; deliberate misrepresentation of what the voice is; fear that the sky will fall.

[@karlspencer5584]

Wow the white man gets a choice on if a native has an opinion and I am a first fleeter descendent WTF

[@jackiechild9740]

I'm voting yes!! Although what is proposed is not perfect and may seem tokenistic, we as a country have to take this important first step so that the framework is in place... so it can be built upon and made better! If we don't take this chance/opportunity now, then it will be another 25-50yrs before this issue will ever be bought up again! This is important people!! Remember what happened with the Republic vote?

[@1699stu]

I wont be voting and I will pay the fine. I won't be contributing to a lose/lose outcome because there is nothing good that will come out of this referendum despite either outcome.

[@BombsanTheCommenter]

Just submit a null... No?

[@russe19642]

You will, you're just trying to muddy the waters of the uncertain. You lot do it all the time because you know if you put seeds of doubt people won't vote and if it's such non issue why you on here,kinda gives you away

[@1699stu]

@@russe19642 you dont know me lol

[@sharongoodsell9341]

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[@nigelhickman2274]

You don't actually have to vote - but you do have to be checked off the voters roll - if you cannot fulfill your most basic civic duty then yes, pay the fine. But do not make it out to be about your political objections.

[@WarblesOnALot]

G'day, Apparently the people opposing the Concept of Aborigines & Torres Straights Islanders Having ANY Voice to Parliament Enshrined in the Constutution... Is that on the one hand They cannot personally imagine Any Aborigine ever having Anything to say In which they Might ever Want to be Interested... On the other hand, they'd hate to be forced to listen to any Opinion which cites Facts, least those Facts indicate that potential future Plans for EcoGnomic Development will prove counterproductive and should not be approved, let alone subsidised... And in the Gripping Hand, the last thing they want is for anybody to tell Parliament about What Aborigines have to say about What has Bin-Done On Australia To Australia, Since 1788 ; In the relentless Pursuit of Profit, while seeking to meet EuroPeon Market DEMAND.... In case the Parley O' Men t' (decide) Should, perhaps, upon so hearing...; actually DO SOMETHING Which makes Sense. For a change... (?). The closest analogy which comes to mind is the time a Reporter asked Barnaby Joyce, at the time Deputy PM, National Party Leader, & Minister for Water, AggroKulture & Mining..., on Camera, what his response was - to the united opposition of all the Hydrologists, Riverine Ecologists, and Environmental Scientists..., speaking out against Barneybaby's Grand Plan to suck the Life out of all Oz's Inland Rivers, back before the 2018-2020 MegaFireStorm Drought... And my local MP said, "Oh, don't you worry about whatever the Environmental Scientist think, or say ; if you ever listened to them, then you'd Never get Anything Done or built In 'Straya(!)...." The White Supremacist EuroPeons have Bin-killing the Biosphere for 12,300 years, Since the first Harvest Everything-ists Were forced to Sow the first Hybrid Strain Of Grain... Why expect them to want to hear from People who know Them to be In the wrong ? Such is Life, Have a good one, ;-p Ciao !

[@rowbearly6128]

Ah, thanks for the extended tour of your imagination. The one or two cherry picked facts only highlight the 98% of your rant that is your own "I reckon". Maybe get a new hobby. Whining and playing the victim won't make you any friends.

[@sylviam6535]

They can vote like everyone else, therefore they have a say equal to everyone else.

[@steph4922]

We should start a movement, all Aussies equal right no matter of your are white, black, brown or yellow. No special funding to one group, and stop the decades of special funding. I'm a taxpayer and I do not accept inequality.

[@xcrockery8080]

Of course they have a say. We all do. The Voice will be a bureaucracy that will, same as ATSIC did, *reduce* indigenous Australians' ability to voice their opinions.

[@WarblesOnALot]

@@sylviam6535 G'day, Nice try... The point is that I live on Aboriginal Land. The hundred acres I bought the Title Deed for, in 1990, and have run since then as an Endangered Species Sanctuary, used to be a Didgeridoo Factory...; the Traprock Ridgetop grows naturally hollow Saplings when Epicormal Regrowth puts a Tube of living Wood around the Sapling which died in a previous Drought, and after 29 years here I finally found the Stone Spokeshaeve with Circular Cutting Edges in two sizes - for smoothing the outsides of the Didgeridoo. The Sheep & Potato Brigade arrived in New England in 1832, when there were 1,200 Aborigines living here. In 1842 there were 1,200 Colon-ists, 600 Aborigines, and 100,000 SHEEP. If your idea of a Democracy is to Show up, invade, occupy, and dispossess and or kill everybody who disagrees with your Politics & Business Plan, enslave them, rape them, steal their Children, outlaw their Language & Culture, misrepresent them as "Violent Ignorant Savage Nomadic Barbarians who were not using the Land..." (When in FACT, Project DNA Nation, by analysing Hair collected by "Missionaries" from 1832 to 1972, compared to Samples from contemporary Traditional Owners, and Samples from Archaeological Burials...; concluded that 40,000 years ago after walking across the Land Bridge from Papua, taking a thousand years to settle the Coast, and another 1,000 to fill up the interior...; ALL 500 Language Groups then Remained within their Towri (Traditional Homeland). Two Ice Ages came and went. Then the EuroPeons came here to Colon-ise the place. A "Colon" being a long muscular Tube lined with a Mucous Membrane, and filled full of Shit.. A Colon-ist is one who travels halfway around the Planet, roosts in some foreign Landscape ; and then systematically empties their Colon All over EVERYTHING which the Colon-ist FAILS to Understand when first they Arrive... And the apparent REASON why Whitefullas fail to fit in Anywhere on Earth is that instead of them taking 7 Generations before thinking they have learned how the Country WORKS...; what happens with the vast majority of Colon-ists is that 7 times EVERY Generation They MOVE... Which is why they're equally happy to destroy Any Ecology, Anywhere - because to a EuroPeon Colonist, everywhere is the same, and nowhere matters, more or less to them - everything is For Sale, in their mind....). And, now, having killed more than 60,000 of them, done whatever was possible to keep their Numbers down, including importing MILLIONS of extra fresh ignorant hubristic Colon-ists, After having established YOURSELF as the Thief in possession of a Stolen Continent..., Having established a Numerical Superiority of 49:1... You have the Unmitigated Effrontery to suggest that Every Aborigine is, Since 1967, Able to try to Outvote the 49 Colon-ists which are there to oppose whatever the Aborigines might suggest. Take THAT form of Dumb-Ocracy, Munchkin, and shove it as far up your Sigmoid Colon as it will Fit. If you or I are caught with something we know to have been Stolen, but we BOUGHT the thing, then at Law we are liable to face Prosecution for Being In Possession Of Stolen Goods.... And waving a Reciept from the Murderous bloody Thieves for whatever we paid for the Goods, will not serve as Any kind of a Valid Defence In the Whitefulla's "Just Us..." System. Recognition, Treaty, Voice, & Rent... (Per Capita annual share of National GDP...; All of which is generated by overharvesting the Aboriginal & Torres Straights Islanders' Continent, which Our Ancestors Stole at Gunpoint & with Poison in the Waterholes & Flour, as well as Blankets contagious with Disease. Wake up to yourself, you apparent Intergenerational Congenital Criminal... Such is life. Have a Good one... (As opposed to remaining a selfish racist Scumbag all your life...?) Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

[@kympridham8267]

Cricket So much for media watch and the equal time for both sides

[@markkilley2683]

It's getting out of control. I agree with Kerry, it's fear mongering. Let people have their say, either way.