The Catholic Church Secretly Teaches MARY WORSHIP?!

Does The Catholic Church Secretly Teach Mary Worship?!
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[@ModernLady]

So secret that not a single Catholic knows about it. 😂

[@julieCA58]

😂😂😂

[@ArmyK9]

😂😂😂

[@Loc1453]

😂😂😂

[@lovelylovelyz]

Fr 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Foreign0817]

I actually heard this last year. I told them there can be issues with translation, but they're were like "muh English-centric world-view." So I told them they're claiming God can be defeated by the English language. They stopped responding after that.

[@rogue8507]

Protestants trying not to recycle old arguments challenge (impossible)

[@rogue8507]

@@everyisnaadisfabricated3784 Source: Trust me bro

[@lastsupperapologetics5710]

@@everyisnaadisfabricated3784 kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2WUhaBre6l-pNUsi=U_4uT4Z_Q8G-lVf3

[@DavidEjeteh]

Om

[@deusvult8340]

@@everyisnaadisfabricated3784Yeah, Jesus is the fulfilment of the Old Testament, citing Old Testament verses just prove our point, also what do you mean “based of the LXX?” Do you even know what that is, that’s the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Old Testament which is a 1000 years older than your masoretic

[@DavidEjeteh]

​@@everyisnaadisfabricated3784is this a troll or do you genuinely believe that the book of Luke is a line for line copy of 1&2 Kings?

[@baninipunidenbeyin-sani7142]

I can't come online without listening to the voice of reason. God bless you.

[@raulortiz6922]

Amen thank you for the truth love to know more about mother Mary more and more with all my heart ✝️🕊️🙏

[@thecatechumen]

Nah. I think google translate is a far superior interpreter of the Latin than literally every single person involved in the drafting and translation of Lumen Gentium. 😂😅

[@youngd9554]

Language barriers always mess up messages and ppl will be very quick to judge. Good video Alex👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@HeavnzMiHome]

Mayors used to be addressed as “Your Worship”.

[@BensWorkshop]

Some of the old guilds were "The Worshipful Company of..."

[@jovanic38]

I had a protestant tell me the council of Ephesus was a lie and heretical, the first one. All this because i proved the "Theotokos" doctrine was a universal christian teaching, and that it defines the homogenous nature of Jesus. Without the dogma of Theotokos you fall into Arianism, Nestorianism, monophysitism that teach "Christotokos" Which either separates the natures of Jesus, or denies one.

[@InitialPC]

Mary being the mother of Jesus has no bearing on Jesus' divinity.

[@jovanic38]

@@InitialPC that's literally what the council of ephesus was about

[@InitialPC]

@@jovanic38 The word Theotokos merely means bearer of God, no one denies Mary bore Jesus (except for JW I think). And no one especially denies Jesus was not God specifically because He was born by Mary. Now I say again, Mary being the mother of God has zero bearing as to whether God is God or not. Furthermore, what the hell is even the point of your comment? You say it as if "theotokos" is some gotcha moment with other Christians. I don't know what you think protestants believe but they're not claiming Mary is not the mother of Jesus. Furthermore you keep placing the nature of Jesus ON Mary. Mary is theotokos therefore Jesus is God, OTHER WAY AROUND. Freudian slip on your end, exposing how you feel about the Virgin Mary compared to God. Thank you for reminding me why I'm not catholic!

[@jovanic38]

@InitialPC again, this is literally what the council of Ephesus was about, you can deny and Lutheranize it all you want, but ALL Christians believed this before any separation of the church. Stop being silly, if someone bears you that makes her your mother 🤡 And since we cannot separate both natures of Jesus that's how she's the mother of God

[@InitialPC]

@@jovanic38 I literally never denied that Mary birthed God. catholics are idiots...

[@pmagrin]

The traditional anglican marriage vows have the phrase 'with my body I thee worship' and the traditional honourific for a mayor is 'your worship'. I doubt anybody would view spouses as worshipping each other like God and it is the same with the mayors being treated with respect but not divine worship.

[@ann_andrea6681]

When I heard translation using "google translate". I immediately know it will be a bad translation 😅.

[@Anima-Cattolica]

Recent subscriber and I just wanted to say that I greatly enjoy your videos, I have learned so much and my faith has been nourished and grown through them. Thank you brother, may Our Lady be with you and may God bless you 🙏🏻❤️‍🔥

[@Saul-StPaul]

Another great breakdown, thanks for taking your time to do the research. You give Catholics clarity and help keep our faith strong.

[@rhwinner]

The first, the original Gold Star Mother. Honor her, revere her. Respect her. ❤

[@Franciscan_Bro]

Very good video thanks for sharing this with the public. It is simply hyperdulia vs. latria. Keep fighting the good fight & stay strong in the Spirit 🕊️ 🔥

[@ByzantineCuban]

As a recent Byzantine-Catholic I apreciate your analysis and response, I was in the Roman-Rite before and heard the "worship" talking point a lot from Protestants but was never presented their suposed evidence like this. So im glad I found this response, also been watching this cannel for a bit and youve been a great help to me finding my path in Byzantine-Litergy. Many thanks and god bless brotha 🙏🏽☦️

[@X4VER279]

I also am becoming Byzantine-Catholic soon 😝

[@Muro627]

💯💯💯💪💪💪Keep the faith my Brother

[@marklikeashark2222]

Thank you for this video! I see anti-Catholics online share a picture of that one translation that says Mary is the subject of preaching and worship. There is another picture I see circling around from people who claim the catholic church worships Mary. It is the Prayer of St. Alphonsus to the Blessed Virgin Mary which it says to Mary "I worship thee" from some a devotions book. But your logic and understanding of the context of the old English definition of Worship easily debunks this argument of the church teaching the worship of Mary. Plus, if you look up that prayer online, like with the Vatican document, you see the word "venerate" instead of worship.

[@peterzinya1]

Many catholics do worship Mary. You just dont want to admit it. heres a comment from 3 weeks ago...enjoy..... @LelaAukes 2 weeks ago Beautiful Mother Maria thank you to be with us. I love worship glorify you and your son Jesus our God almighty There is plenty more like her.

[@bktawiah]

Good job, brother!

[@dherpin4874]

Amen! I've been having this conversation for some time. Yes, we worship AND pray "TO" Mother Mary. Worship means giving honor and the proper degree of reverence that is rightly due. Praying means to beg or ask for her intercession.

[@catholicguy1073]

I heard a new argument from a Protestant about praying to saints. The P. Said that heaven and hell are within time and therefore would be unable to intercede on our behalf to God so it is a waste of time. I didn’t find this argument to even be to their standards of being taught in the Bible anywhere and we can see saints praying for us as I told him. He said it was in a general sense not that the Saints would get each individual prayers and because they are in time it was impossible for them to do this. It was an interesting take. It’s entirely heterodox as you know heaven and hell exist outside of time as I told him.

[@Lukka-vz9qg]

Mathew 23 9

[@catholicguy1073]

@@Lukka-vz9qg Matthew 23:8 But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. Matthew 23:9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Matthew 23:10 Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. So what’s your point you are trying to make here? Jesus also said call no one Rabbi. Rabbi means teacher. You also have a “father.”

[@Lukka-vz9qg]

@@catholicguy1073 you call the pope father and the Priests and ask for forgiveness in the church like the jews in there corners and the synagogue out in public Mathew 6 5,6

[@Lukka-vz9qg]

​@@catholicguy1073you call the pope father and the Priests and ask for forgiveness in the church like the jews in there synagogue and corners out in public Mathew 6 5,6

[@godfirst2072]

Latria- Adoration Dulia- Veneration Latria-God Hyper Dulia- Mary Proto Dulia- Joseph Dulia- Other Saints Learned this from Armor of God. I mentioned you in a comment on their channel. Keep up the good work.

[@Phoenixmagnus]

Just got to the Part where you talk about the word worship. An IBF was going on tiktok and using the Document ments distributed using the old English and cause a lot of confusion. But if youve read enough old apologetics from the saints it means veneration now

[@BYZANTINEFINEST]

Well the thing is the Protestant is saying that it's a secret. But how can any religion secretly worship mary, or anything worshipped secretly if its written down for everyone to see, or find it. So u should of told the prot how can it be a secret if it's written down 🤔 It's like when your kids playing hide & seek. Then u tell somebody hey I know a secret hiding spot, & they ask u what's your secret hidden spot. Well if I told u it wouldn't be a secret anymore lol.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@frisco61]

Right? We have over a billion people keeping a “secret” 😂

[@BYZANTINEFINEST]

@@frisco61 right it's a secret, but the whole world knows about, bc the secret is written down for the world to see. So don't tell anyone ok. That's the most stupidest thing I ever heard of🤦🏻‍♂️ the stupidity is amazing...

[@AverageCanadianTy]

Good man!

[@ChrstWorrir07Heavenly-yp2lv]

very apeeling voice 👌 keep on pushing the true Gosple . I have a great heart for the catholics being from Mexico I feel the people souls that need to hear truth ❤️ since they been lied to by Roman catholic church for years ! great time to be alive ! truth will stand ! chrsit is Lord of all God is One

[@_ROMANS_116]

What’s the true gospel?

[@ChrstWorrir07Heavenly-yp2lv]

@ That Jesus Died in the Gross And those who Believe (not the English Believe like believing in unicorns.) like real Believe living the Bible and knowing God Not knowing the Bible . ultimately it's easy trust in God with all your Heart and lean not on your own understanding. in all your ways trust in him and he will make your paths straight!!! it's amazing really a gift from God not something you can earn like the Catholics , Muslims , I can put in X in all the many sectors that are logistics, trying to earn their way to heaven . it's IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT CHRSIT ALONE . Hopefully this touches base . but we can surely have a simple back and forth . no disrespect intended at all !

[@killianmiller6107]

I’m in a web design class, and I thought it a little funny to do my project focusing on re-designing the Vatican website (in a class with many colored hair individuals), because it looks pretty outdated and the information architecture is a little messy. I actually went through the site itself (without Google searching it) to find Lumen gentium 65 to read it myself, and I don’t think that was obvious for anyone who hasn’t browsed it before. From the home page, you have to go to resource library (not obvious where that is), ecumenical councils, second Vatican council, and Lumen gentium. Let me know what you think needs improvement. Consider it your contribution to the new evangelization lol

[@ArmyK9]

As a former Protestant, I had a hard time accepting veneration for Mary too. However, I have alot of friends from other apostalic churches, like Eastern Orthodox, Coptic and Assyrian Church. All of whom have veneration and honor Mother Mary as well as plenty of Marian icons. I realized if I were to condemn any veneration for Mary, I would be forced into the position of having to not only condemn the Roman Catholic Church, but all the other apostalic churches as well. All of whom have existed far earlier than Protestantism, Luther, Calvin or Zwingli, as well as adhering to the earlier Councils. I realized my Protestant stance would then be completely illogical and void as history does not support my Protestant views.

[@Llumbet]

Thank you thank you and thank you I’ve been saying it and no one believes me

[@stevenchavez5979]

Nice! Just another bit to remember

[@Annabanana727]

Very Insightful ! I'd better watch my use of that word "Adorable" 🤭

[@Mm17297]

God will unite all true churches. My true brothers and sisters in Christ in the Catholic Churches, Orthodox Churches, Protestant Churches, and All Other True Churches will be free to discuss their opinions and personal interpretations of The Bible in heaven for all of eternity. But now is not the time to be fighting Christain vs Christain. Now is the time to fight Christain vs Non-Christain, for we don't have much time. Remember not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven. So be ready to preach the gospel and the call to repentance among self-professed "Christians." And don't cast pearls before swine when you know their fate, but still continue to love them as they are made in the Image of God until Judgement Day. I speak the truth unto you, in the name of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, and In Jesus' name I pray. Amen.

[@_ROMANS_116]

What is the kingdom of heaven? It’s not heaven. Do you not know

[@DarkHorseCrusader]

That is why judges and magistrates can be referred to as either your honor or your worship.

[@abnd8025]

I kinda knew where this was going after you said they used Google Translate.

[@user-xc5dc7ms1f]

What protestant people need to explain is why they ended up 40000 denomination..they did not only branch out from catholics..but their own church they created themselves they split time and time again until it became 40000 denomination..

[@Rognvaldi]

The same as why Orthodoxy existed alongside Catholicism. At the end of the day, we should be judged by whether we follow Christ's example, not whether the name above the church doors is correct.

[@anthonymarimpietri8409]

⁠@@Rognvaldibut Christ founded only One Church. There is only one church that has the fullness of Truth, that is the Catholic Church. The Orthodox separated from the Catholic Church just like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and the other protestant revolutionaries. Christ prayed to the Father that His followers would be one as He and the Father are one. Give the Catholic Church a fair chance to speak for herself without anti-Catholic biases. You may be surprised (pleasantly) by what you discover. God bless, Buona Pasqua.

[@Rognvaldi]

@@anthonymarimpietri8409 The word church in greek simply means a body of believers. We will be judged by whether we follow the teachings of Christ, not whether we named the church properly.

[@anthonymarimpietri8409]

@Rognvaldi ok. And? Christ has but one Church. One body. One bride. One household (of God). Christ prayed that those who believe in Him would one as He is one with the Father. So Jesus teaching is for unity. Unity in His one bride, the Catholic Church built on the rock of St. Peter.

[@Rognvaldi]

@@anthonymarimpietri8409 Yes, Christ gave way to one body of believers. By faith that Christ is the Lord and repentance of sins, we achieve salvation just like the criminal that died on the cross next to Christ.

[@BYZANTINEFINEST]

This also is another great example why sola scriptura is unbiblical. Bc prots always take Catholic writings, & they interpret it themselves. Then they tell us hey this is what it really says. Even when we show them church fathers that didn't interpret that way. They will say I dont trust men, I only trust Gods word.🤦🏻‍♂️ So protestants will still do this with our own Catholic Catechism. Then tell us No this is what the CC really teaches. When there's men still alive, & trained other men in the Catholic church who know 2day. Then taught others in the Church. So we can know what Catechism really says if we are confused. But the prots will still say no, I wont here from your Catholic teachers, bc I brought my own CC & it's right here in black & White. So this is what it means in the Catechism. It's like they 4get we can still back up those teachings for people can know the truth. But the Protestant still wants to tell us NO! This is what it really means. Just like in CC 841 when prots will tell us the Catholic Church really teaches Islam worships the same God, as in Muslims can be saved to go to heaven.🤦🏻‍♂️ They never want to back up,& tell themselves could I be completely erroneous. NO' they have too much pride. So they don't see our interpretations in scripture, and they always think they have the Holy Ghost to teach them the correct interpretation no matter what. So we Catholics are always wrong, & they're always right.

[@christos49]

Also, imagine saying GOOGLE TRANSLATE is your proof. Google translate has its merits but as someone who has tested Google translate based upon what I know of Latin, it can and most often translates erroneously.

[@frisco61]

@@christos49It doesn’t even have to be Latin, all you need to prove how unreliable Google translate is is to run some translations between a foreign language that you’re fluent in, and English, it’s always a good laugh when I do it.

[@Vango07]

Hey Voice of Reason, can you make next how Protestantism is similar to modern-day gnosticism?

[@joshuablessed7782]

Hello I’m non denominational but been looking into catholicism and orthodoxy in search of an apostolic church because of my reading of the church fathers and apostolic succession etc but a few disturbing things have prevented me from converting such as the story Barlaam and Josaphat how St Josaphat(separate from the other Josaphat who died trying to unite east and west)this one supposedly lived long before became a saint but is really a christianized rebranding of buddha how can that be regardless of the beauty of the story ? is he venerated in catholicism today ? also the acceptance of nude scenes depicted by michelangelo and the fact that one of the men depicted was a priest who condemned his nude art as blasphemous so he was depicted in a hell scene where a snake is biting his genitals michelangelo also made a nude sculpture of Jesus Christ I just find it grotesque also why some wiccans and witches pray to saints and Mary does this show Christians should not partake of praying to saints since pagans do it or does it simply show satan has a way of counterfeiting it also how in some cultures Mary is more popular than Jesus is this a form of modern Collyridianism ? Pagans acknowledge this and say Isis or other mother goddess deities reappear overtime and became known in the person of Mary Why doesn’t the church do a better Job of educating people on proper veneration bahaiforums.com/t/the-buddha-is-a-catholic-saint.7569/ en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biagio_da_Cesena amp.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2017/feb/27/michelangelos-naked-risen-christ-national-gallery www.religiousforums.com/threads/any-mary-worshippers-here.79561/

[@Nomorehero07]

The moment they say to use Google translate, is the moment that the argument fell apart. 😂

[@paul_321]

I hear this argument all the time

[@dannisivoccia2712]

The English language changes all the time, but God's word never changes. "God's word abides forever." It is the definition of worship from God's word that followers of Christ need to understand and use.

[@BasiliscBaz]

So you know arameic and old greek, right?

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@BasiliscBaz I used them both as references.

[@frisco61]

If we Catholics truly “worshipped” Mary, she would be central when we celebrate Mass. Which of course she isn’t. She is mentioned twice, both times in her relationship to Jesus. Mass is 100% Christ centered, all culminating with the Eucharist, where we do as Jesus commanded in John 6. All we ask, is that Protestants use common sense and reason, instead of blindly running with every little thing that confirms what they’ve ‘heard” from someone with a bias. True story, it was Protestant radio that made me completely grounded in my Catholic faith. Each time I heard any pastor say something about Catholics, I’d go look it up in verifiable Catholic sources. 100% of the time what they were saying was a lie. Test it yourself.

[@dannisivoccia2712]

@@frisco61 Scripturally, worship is defined as the giving of ourselves. It is a life of reverence, devotion, exaltation, surrender, submission, and obedience. In Romans it states: "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable UNTO GOD, which is your reasonable service." Reverence, devotion, exaltation, surrender, submission, and obedience goes to God only. Usually, this definition of worship is seen towards Mary, mostly among Roman Catholics and Marians. There are two examples given in the New Testament that show clearly that even a minimal sign of worship towards another, instead of God Himself, is discouraged. One account is in the book of Acts and the other account is in the book of Revelation. The first was a bowing down before the Apostle Peter and the second was a bowing down before an angel of God.

[@ThisGuy4]

Worship for God is the due worship that is given to him.

[@Kilisedenbirhaber]

Please add Turkish subtitles to your videos. Greetings from Turkey.

[@superiorshotgun4348]

Prots do know that collyridianism is condemned by the Church and is considered heresy, right?

[@InitialPC]

fornication is also condemned, didnt stop pope rodrigo borgia from having orgies in the vatican

[@Timo0469]

,,Why not pray to god directly" is often asked by protestants,what would your answer be to that objection

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

You can do just that, what's the problem with me asking the holy saints for their intercession? That's what I say.

[@JoeDriver9]

@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807yup correct. And God says that if two or many pray to God then God is with them and will hear. So if you are praying physically alone then you could call for the intercession of Our Blessed Mother Mary, one or many of the Saints and or the Angels. And us Catholic believe that Holy people are alive and with God and those who fall short of grace are in purgatory.

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

@everyisnaadisfabricated3784 LOL

[@crazyboysince1998]

​@everyisnaadisfabricated3784who told you mary never existed? Are you an atheist?

[@CrownedDiaries]

@@JoeDriver9 Can I please ask you a question about Purgatory? Do you all believe that they stay in purgatory until the final judgement and then they go to heaven? or are they only there for a period of time that can end before Jesus comes back?

[@arturmonteiro8541]

Most Holy Mother of God, Queen of heaven and earth, pray for us

She can’t pray for us, she’s in heaven and has no knowledge of anyone praying to her

[@Ruudes1483]

Prove it.

@@Ruudes1483 prove what? she’s a human, just like all of us. She’s in heaven. Only God Jesus and Holy Spirit can hear us.

[@Ruudes1483]

The saints in Heaven hear our prayers and take them up to God.

[@Lukka-vz9qg]

Your making a bad Argument the Bible actually says that God sends angels to hear our prays Mathew 23 9 that's why I think catholics are miss guided I pray for them not condemn them God bless hope this helps

[@MarmotCanales]

Shocking! 😯

[@lightandtruth2896]

We do not teach Mary worship. Mary is honored, respected venerated, but never worshiped as if she were a goddess.

[@dherpin4874]

Worship means giving honor and the proper degree of reverence that is rightly due. Praying means to beg or ask for her intercession. yes, it okay to teach worship and praying to Mary, however, modern interpretations of these wors do not reflect their true meaning.

[@BasiliscBaz]

American Prots after thei find out english ísn't only lugguage

[@user-fy1xn3hd3s]

GOD , JESUS , MARY , FOREVER

God Jesus, Holy Spirit, not mary, Mary is a human being, your worshiping a human, which is against what God says, repent

[@prodigalsonposts]

I actually have been seeing this argument recently Alex. Protestants are using it despite how bad the argument is.

[@josmith5419]

❤

[@rochellefrancis2864]

I want to know about do catholics do idolatry if we bow , kneel or kiss the statues I am confused please tell me

[@X4VER279]

As a catholic i have never seen this in any mass I have been to but I know that orthodox kiss icons but I am not orthodox so I do not know

[@EldenLord00]

No. Do you worship your bed when you kneel down and pray on it??

[@X4VER279]

@@EldenLord00 hahaha thats a good point 💀👍

[@jilesbo9175]

​@@EldenLord00Read The Glories Of Mary by St. Alphonsus De Liguori and tell me what he says in his prayers and devotions is not worship! That's all it is literally. Liguori groveles over and over praising her, talking about her Throne, addressing her as queen of heaven, telling her he will serve her for all eternity, begging her for mercy on and on and on.... That's not worship? Wow! That IS worship. My goodness even Hollywood gets this stuff when it makes fantasy and other fictional movies. Unbelievable! Christ are Lord is completely secondary in the practice. Unbelievable!

[@EldenLord00]

@@jilesbo9175 give me a quote! You would scream if you studied the early church and that they prayed the exact same way as Catholics.

[@AlejandroDjamal]

Ramadan karem brother ❤😅

[@Jordan-1999]

Brother, could you do a refutation on this guy who goes by the name GabeTheStreetPreacher. He just did a video where he is outside a Catholic Church harassing members of the Church and saying that they are going to Hell. I would appreciate it if you could talk with this guy and correct him on his misunderstanding about the faith. Thanks and God be with you brother.

[@Inari1987]

If something is in Vatican II, then how is it "secretly taught"? Besides, Google Translate has limitations.

[@X4VER279]

As an catholic i can say that we worship god. Yes, you Protestant heard that right! We do worship Jesus! Mary is not the center of our prayers!

[@anthonym.7653]

Why not just use "veneratio" for veneration? Less confusing.

[@emmetranous9682]

Don’t use google translate for Latin it doesn’t account for noun declinations correctly also it doesn’t always get vocab correctly

[@paulmualdeave5063]

It’s good to know this problem with Google Translate

[@darrellperez1029]

This was a comical take. Gracias

[@Vittorio717]

Hallo i am new to christianity i wanted to ask why the Catholic church split away from the orthodox church

[@morghe321]

I would say read up on it from non-biased sources. That would be my advice. This question will give you different answers depending on if you ask an Orthodox believer or if you ask a Catholic.

[@paulmualdeave5063]

The modern definition of worship includes people and the dictionary uses the example of going to a music concert crowd enjoying the concert. It’s not a deity worship.

[@benjimoua3245]

Mary is not the center/focus of the text at the wedding...

[@TruthWillSetYouFREE-]

What is your only authority concerning Christianity? Is it the Catholic Church or the orthodox church ?

[@aussierob7177]

Some of the things Protestants say about Mary are vile.They do not realise they are offending Mary and her Son deeply.

[@MathAdam]

Theology by Google Translate. That might be a bit of a red flag.

[@williamcabell142]

I am a devout Catholic, I love Mary, I dedicate every Saturday to her! I do feel that certain ignorant people have unbalanced devotion for Mary! Like my Novas Ordo priest! He recites the Hail Mary right before he offers the gifts, at the altar…that ain’t right, my modernist friends!

[@jamesmachau7315]

I am curious. What is his reason for doing so? And whatyour objection to this action?

[@jendoe9436]

Why would he not ask for Mary to accept our gifts before offering up the sacrifice, Jesus? We send up our intentions to Mary all the time because we know she will intercede for us and make even our simple offerings and gifts something grand in Jesus/God’s eyes. Plus, maybe your priest has a special devotion to Mary which he licitly expresses during Mass. Perhaps his order has a certain Marian charism. I follow a group online which has a big emphasis on Divine Mercy and Saint Faustina, and will often reference her and her work throughout the mass including reading passages from her diary after communion. And they are far from being “modernists.” On that note, how charitable to call some Catholics “modernists” because you have some issue with how they express themselves 🙄 And using the term ‘Norvus Ordus’ as if it’s some kind of separate thing in the Church when it’s not is also quite uncharitable.

[@frisco61]

@@jendoe9436 He shouldn’t because he is under obedience to say the Mass as it is written. It’s not his to monkey with. If it was me I’d report him to the Bishop.

[@frisco61]

No you’re completely right and he should be reported to the Bishop, or privately challenged. He has no right to change anything about the Mass and in fact is under obedience not to do so.

[@jendoe9436]

@@frisco61 how charitable of you to immediately assume the worst of the priest and not even bother asking to meet with him privately to ask him about his practice. Very Christian, I see. And what happens if you report him to the Bishop and are told that the Bishop had already given him permission to say a Hail Mary during that moment? Go over that Bishop? Contact the Pope? Shame all parties on social media? 🙄 Good thing you didn’t attend the masses I had growing up, otherwise you would have complained about our use of grape juice/very diluted wine to the Bishop, who had already given our priest a dispensation due to him being a recovering alcoholic. Hopefully the priests in your life treat you with much greater charity, kindness, and respect than what you seem to give them.

[@J-PLeigh8409]

So the argument asserts that the Catholic Church is fooling us Catholics & forcing us to worship the Blessed Mother of our Lord, w/out us knowing it? 🥴....the Latin terms Hyper-Dulia, honor given to Saint Mary vs Latria, worship in spirit & in truth given to the Holy One, the Author of Life, the Lord God Almighty, Father, Son & Holy Spirit, makes complete sense & explains our ancient Orthodox position, Pax Vobis

[@glendanikolakakos7431]

Well, I’m not surprised anymore with our brother and sisters Protestant come up with an another accusation something like that, I pray the Catholic members to start trusting The Catholic Church because our Lord Jesus established himself and do not trust Professor Google 😁

[@GREEENMASTER]

So it’s just a mistranslation

[@Fabian-kv9tw]

How do i become catholic

[@garethscott3399]

First, attend to your local parish, ask information about the RCIA programme, and attend the classes and follow the lessons. By Easter, you should receive baptism, confirmation, and communion into the Catholic Church.

[@Fabian-kv9tw]

@@garethscott3399 Danke

[@_ROMANS_116]

Do what they do. Follow their rules. But remember, its false doctrine

[@X4VER279]

Bruder werd lieber orthodox. Wird dir viel Kopfzerbrechen sparen

[@smufr9277]

@@_ROMANS_116 How is it false?

[@mattbernacki9282]

As soon as you said Google Translate I laughed. Anyone relying on that as a tool for accurate contextual translation is delusional.

[@smsm-xb1lt]

Mary mother of God, pray FOR our sins now and at the hour of our death

[@2196logan]

I am surprised he did not just go to the first page of the CCC and read the page on how we are to become gods :) another bad translation.

[@iqgustavo]

✝️We Catholics ADORE the virgin Mary... Look it up in KZbin Spanish by the Catholic priest "un sacerdote millennial"... BUT... To God it's latria to Mary it's hyperdulia and to saints it's dulia.

[@Ruudes1483]

NO! Adoration is due ONLY TO GOD! Mary is given the highest honor among creatures and is to be venerated, but not adored.

[@mountainhopper9573]

Prayer is form of worship that's why JESUS taught to pray to the Father.

[@VoiceOfReason_]

Prove it. Where does the Bible say that prayer equals worship? 👀

[@jilesbo9175]

​@@VoiceOfReason_ You said actual worship involves the element of adoration. Go read the words of the Rosary and tell me that's not adoration. And if that's still doesn't convince you read The Glories Of Mary by St. Alphonsus De Liguori. Then get back to me. Liguori literally worships her in his prayers to her.

[@tony1685]

@@VoiceOfReason_ i subscribed simply to discuss a couple things with you, Sir. i've repeatedly posed multiple posts showing that catholicism simply isn't Christianity and while i believe Truth invites investigation -- i also believe that the Bible proves clearly that catholicism isn't Christianity. i believe you're running from me and others who are showing you Truth and that you're now wanting to actually know Truth, but pretend catholicism is Christianity. please man up and actually discuss God's Truths. thanks for reading. tony

[@VoiceOfReason_]

@@jilesbo9175 you didn’t answer my question. I asked you to show me where the Bible says that prayer equals worship. Why are you dodging the question? And where do any of the prayers of the Rosary say that Mary is worshipped? Where does St. Alphonsus say that Mary is worshipped? You’re making claims that are just not true.

[@jilesbo9175]

@@VoiceOfReason_ I wasn't addressing that point. That was something you asked another posted comment. I'm arguing De Liguori is literally worshipping Mary in his prayer devotions to her. I mean I suppose I can type part of his prayer.

[@jhernandezrm77]

I can tell who is Catholic when all I ever see is Mary . Why so much . Why isn’t there a book of her . How she was without original sin . Why isn’t the prayer of her in the Bible , of Gods word . Why is there an argument of “ do you ask for others to pray for you “ bur we are alive until our flesh dies . And then the scripture of “God is not the God of the Dead but God of the living “ , when we are told to pray for each other , we are all alive and here . We can hear each other . None of us has passed away . Even when I am discouraged, I still pray directly to Jesus because he says that if I ask it will be given to me , why would I need someone else if God tells me to pray through his name . Man is the one who created these prayers . Does one bit remember when Eve listened to someone else other than God , and who else did she bring along , then humanity after . One listened to a different voice while God told her what not to do . And didn’t say why , because we should never question God if he’s all knowing . We must trust in his WORD . and His WORD told us how to pray . Didn’t tell us another way . But someone else did . A different voice . A man . Jesus didn’t come to start a religion, but a relationship. If you only feel God in church , you’re in a religion. When you start your relationship , he will show you all the false teachings. All these false rituals that will not bring repentance. Ephesians 2:8-9 ; no amount of rituals but through faith . So no one can boast . Many boast in whispers on how many times they go to mass prayers and do the Eucharist by eagering others to do so . When it’s about being baptized not by water but by faith and receiving the Holy Spirit that will continue to bring you back to Gods will and plan for you . Not a church with the same old rituals . I feel happy with the Holy Spirit dwelling in me all the time . He changes me , not rituals. There’s no mystery of the Fruits when the Holy Spirit reveals itself when you first are reborn and when you deny your flesh and own understanding.

[@dankmatter3068]

Whoever dishonours the Mother clearly dishonours The Son.

This isn’t about dishonoring Mary, it’s about not worshiping Mary, because she is a human, not God

[@Ruudes1483]

Good thing we don’t worship her! 😊

@@Ruudes1483 praying to her is worshipping her. Try again. You don’t pray to someone who isn’t God.

[@Ruudes1483]

Prayer≠Worship! Learn the difference between Latria and Dulia then come back! Bye 👋

[@fredericorodriguez808]

@@Ruudes1483is it wrong for one just to just acknowledge Mary as Jesus mother and honor her but not doing the extras by doing the Hail Mary and having statues of her ?Instead of intercession I could pray directly to the father always .would that be wrong or partially wrong

[@Lukka-vz9qg]

Mathew 23 9 please respond to this catholics

[@user-kf8wb2cq4f]

I'm catholic and I don't worship Mary...but I think some catholics do, to a certain extent.

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

I get it......veneration and worship are hard concepts to tell apart for some people....

[@user-kf8wb2cq4f]

​@@reverendcoffinsotherson5807...I get you..trying to be insulting and cowardly about it.

[@BYZANTINEFINEST]

As a recent ex-prot, I hear this argument a lot from Prots still. What I tell them is hey it could be possible, & grant them that only. But I always make them show me the evidence, & what words were used that makes u think they're worshipping Mary through prayer. Bc as a Catholic we know true Worship to God is only done with sacrifice to God. which is why the prots don't have true worship in their Churches, bc they dont have the Holy Eucharist. So we must never grant them that some probably do worship Mary. Only that it could be a possibility some could be. Bc that's not what the Catholic Church teaches us. That way all the evidence is still on them to prove it. So the burden of proof is still on them, to prove that some people in the Catholic church could be worshiping Mary through prayer. Hope this helps God bless u...🙏🏼💯📿🌹☦🇻🇦💪🏼

[@anthonym.7653]

No question that there are some catholics who do worship her and have no idea of the distinction of veneration & worship.

[@Big_G5654]

Certified bruh moment

[@kiljonlenin]

Honor and worship dont mean the same thing

[@user-xm5tj5sd3b]

Sort of are, just honor is right below worship. I think the only difference is worship is to also submit. It’s kind of like anger has synonyms of both wrath and frustration. Wrath and frustration are different but the basis is the same so they both can be used in context. A man that is wrathful can be defined as frustrated but not the other way around just like Mary can be honored but not worshipped. It’s the meaning behind the word

[@Alexis-b9m]

What the frick this makes a lot of sense.

[@kyriaeleison9368]

Stop this nonsense we never ever worship Mary, she herself would be zpalled at any de otion that detracts from her Son. To jesus through Mary, always and everytime!

[@onemarktwoyou]

ALL ROMAN CATHOLIC PAGANS WORSHIP THEIR GODDESS OF SALVATION. No it is not in secret, they scream it!!! "Every grace granted to man in this life has three successive steps: from God it comes to Christ, from Christ to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us." St. Bernardine of Siena "Mary desired, sought, and obtained the salvation of everyone; nay, she even effected the salvation of everyone!" St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori (thuis pagan is their greatest pagan teacher) "Pure and Immaculate Virgin, save me and deliver me from eternal damnation." St. John Damascene >>>>ALL THEIR PAGAN TEACHERS PRAYED TO HER FOR THEIR SALAVTION

[@timelessroyalestudio]

Even worse We secretly worship satan so when I ask when, how - CRICKETS

[@davidminor6118]

Clickbait’s crazy

[@Eabirb23]

Guys, I might need some help on this because as a catholic, i kinda struggle with paraying to Mary. Mainly because although we say we venerate, that's just another word for worship since the etymology comes from Latin meaning to honor/ worship. Also, the idea of the statues when God said in the book of Exodus, no graven image of anything above the heavens... please help me cause idk if I should switch to protestant

[@eleanor9004]

You also honor your flag but you for sure don't worship it

[@darrellperez1029]

If you want to switch, then you are not as faithful as you believe.

[@apostolicsuccessor]

Read Luke 1:28. Mary is venerated Also read Luke 1:43. Mary is called mother of the Lord

[@JeTeFermeTonCaquet]

Mate, in theology there are three kind of cults that we distinguish between 'latria' (which is adoration, due to God himself only in his Three Persons), 'dulia' which is the recourse to the prayers of a saint to pray God directly in heaven for you, and 'hyperdulia' which is basically the cult of dulia applied to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Actually the catechism never teaches anything else than this, and the recourse to statues and images has always been accepted by oecumenical councils in history in periods of iconoclasm crisis (in Constantinople, most of the time). Venerating an icon or a replica of the Holy Cross, or relics, is juste showing respect to the person represented on it or by it (for example while venerating the holy cross, you show respect towards Our Lord on the cross who gave his life for us all), and is not comparable to the direct adoration of one of the divine persons. God prohibited images to the Jews in the past while he hasn't incarnated himself yet, and because the Jews had a consequent tendency to become idolatrous and change their minds about God, and start worshipping polytheistic idols.. this is the pedagogical dimension of God's plan. Now, since we have seen God's face by his Son that came on earth directly to meet humans and preach the Gospel, we are able to represent him and his attributes to help us worshipping him and understanding how precious his sacrifice was. Hope it helped, i'll pray for you.

[@stefanopicardi3016]

Mary is important because she was chosen by God to bring Jesus into the world. She was the first Christian and because Jesus is God then she's the mother of God. It's not worship to say things like "thank you Mary for answering God's calling and give birth to Christ, and be a mother to him as he grew up". For Exodus, you'll notice God said no graven images yet he says to place cherubims on the ark or build the statue of the snake. Does God contradict himself? No, because what God is talking about in Exodus is to don't create images and statues and call those objects gods. When you look at a statue in the church, you know it's just a statue and it's not the actual Jesus so you are not worshipping the statue, rather it can be a reminder that God became man for our salvation. Consider this: Images and statues have been used for centuries to evangelize because most people were illiterate and didn't have access to reading a Bible. Would God be mad that his word was given to the people just because images were involved? In that case, we couldn't even have Bibles for small kids because they rely a lot on vision to learn

[@DavisVult]

i started debating muslims a few weeks ago. in search for information i found this dude and now im no longer protestant

[@lloydaaronmenioria4447]

Are you greek?

[@emmetranous9682]

Foolish Prot: in the original Latin of Vatican two it teaches Mary worship Me: oh does it now, tune lingvam Latinam dices? (Do you speak Latin?) Foolish Prot: No habla Spanish (idiot for: I have no clue know what language that was or what you just said) Me: Tu es Stultus (you are a fool) Foolish prot: what are you saying

[@vinciblegaming6817]

Cultivation - all those horticulturists worshipping plants…

[@user-rg5vt9wi8q]

Secretly?! Secretly?! Are you serious? They flat out openly encourage it.

[@hernanmartinez1452]

Read the Catechism my friend. That is not what the Church teaches at all

[@user-rg5vt9wi8q]

@@hernanmartinez1452 What do you call kneeling down in front of a graven image and praying to it or at it? I don't need a degree in theology to know B.S. when I read it.

[@X4VER279]

@@user-rg5vt9wi8qwhere in the catchism does it say that we should kneel before a graven image. I have been to many masses and services and have never done this

[@garethscott3399]

They need to learn their Latin…using Google translate does not make you an expert… 🤦‍♂️

[@Yayomusic331]

I’m Protestant. The only things I pretty much don’t agree on: Infallibility of the pope/church. I personally wouldn’t pray to Mary or the saints, however I see the argument of why y’all do. Ofc sola scriptura and our canon. Yeah idk what else 😂 Love Yall ❤️

[@elrevolu]

You should really look into church history and the reasons Catholics believe those things you have some issue with (like papal infallibility), I believe if you have an open mind which it seems like you do, you’ll have a lot of misconceptions cleared up and also see that the stigmas around these things didn’t really exist until post-reformation where people will question or take issue with certain Catholic practices because they are viewing it in a different way from a Protestant lens. Like just take your canon for example which you mentioned, why do you accept those books as divinely inspired if they were selected by Catholics who used their “authority” (another thing Protestants tend to take issue with) to put the canon together?

[@mattbernacki9282]

Where is Sola Scriptura in the Bible?

[@InitialPC]

@@mattbernacki9282 Matthew 15:1-6 Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And *why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?* For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,” he need not honor his father.’ So *for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.* Mark 7:8-9, 13 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

[@39knights]

1) Infallibility of the Pope: That is sort of a misnomer. Technically it is not the Pope that is infallible. Jesus promised Peter (and thus the chair of Peter in succession) the gates of hell will not prevail against him. The promise of 'infallibility' is actually the promise of Jesus that he would not let the leadership of the petrine Office fail the Church. So really you are saying you don't trust Jesus when you deny the principal of infalliblity. You should also know that this 'infallibility rule' only applies in very specific outlined occurences; and not on everything the Popes say. In fact since it was defined at the council of Vatican 1to this date it has only been used about 5 times. One of those times was to infallibly declare the 73 book canon of the Bible and is how we know the Catholic Bible is the true word of God. Protestants have absolutely no way of authorizing their canon in such a way with a promise of infallibility and so their bible has no more authority than the Koran or Hindu Vaders, the Book of Mormon, etc. 2) Prayers to the saints: While on Earth Jesus gathered about Him 12 men to train and help preach the gospels. Could not Jesus have done it all by Himself?? It's not that God can't do it by Himself; its that is not the revealed way God goes about gettting the job done. God delights in accomplishing things through the lowly, humble, and those He loves. Wouldn't you want God to invite you to join team Jesus? If He does then what are you going to do? Just sit on the sidelines and watch Jesus do it all? God wants all His children to work together and God is even more glorified (if that is possible) by doing it this way. Once you realize this; then doing it God's way is not so hard.

[@InitialPC]

@@39knights 1. Jesus did NOT say "Your successors will be infallible" Do not add to the Bible to suit your beliefs lecher. 2. Nothing says humble like giant golden plated temples.

[@Murphydennis2332]

If those are all the meaning of that word, then He was right. The question is why did catholic choose veneration instead of worship or honor? The word honor also means worship.

[@srich7503]

It could, depending on the “USER” not the “HEARER”. Intent is from the user, Inference is from the hearer.

[@francescaderimini2931]

Lies lies and more lies

[@fatheralbertochannel]

Too bad so sad. No one cares we believe what we believe. Either way Regina is always lovely 🌹

[@samd5322]

First pope splainers… now Mary Worshipers 😂. Too funny

[@hoopoe3093]

Jesus was neither a Catholic nor Prostestant, so why should you be one? WAKE UP guys! 😮

[@jjesusramoss]

You’re right He was a Jew

[@frekigeri4317]

I’m guessing your Bible has 66 books, that makes you a de facto Protestant. Either Catholicism is true or Protestantism is true or both are false but both cannot be true. That’s why you must choose one or the other or neither. Unfortunately, only one of these choices has actual connections to Jesus Christ and the apostles though.