You said it all at the end. In the real world off the line the R is going to be better. On the twisty stuff the R is going to be better due to the torque vectoring. You said it in one of your own videos. By the same token the R is going to be easier to drive quickly. The only thing the Clubsport is going to do is perhaps stop a little faster. You should do a head to head with Matt Watson on his favourite air strip. Try to do it on a wet day. that'll show the real world difference.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Off the line the R will kill the Clubsport but I only start off from stationary 1 or 2 times on my 25 miles commute so what happens in gear is much more important and there the 2 cars are well matched. Torque vectoring is clever but it's no substitute for a well set up front wheel drive hot hatch, an R will never be held in as high esteem as Clubsport S, Megane Trophy or Civic Type R. R is easier to drive quickly but if you think that's a positive then we clearly we have very different requirements from a hot hatch. I've been driving them for 25 years this year and I want a car that I can deploy some of that experience with to get the most of it because that's where I get the most satisfaction from driving. Nothing good ever came "easy"...
@aldfort57813 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard I cut my teeth on a 205GTi and I've owned an S2000. So I know a little about what it takes to drive quickly. The S2000 in particular had a bit of a widow-maker reputation. The 205 lift of oversteer was a thing of legend back in the day. The Mk7 GTi with performance pack made way for the R. Being a little older than you I am more that happy that the R has a huge margin of safety in most situations, even when pressing on, and I am glad to be further from it's limit on public roads. Still each to their own and I'm really looking forward to seeing how that Corrado turns out. It's one car I always wanted but missed out on.
@escos04103 жыл бұрын
@Mr Sir why would you buy the R? You driven both?
@peterlustig18013 жыл бұрын
@Mr Sir R is the poor man‘s RS3 And yes with this comment i want to show how stupid Mr Sir‘s comment is
@sleepwalker313 жыл бұрын
The R is just that bit better. Clubsport, pp or anniversary edition will only ever be gti.
@andrewmcivor423 жыл бұрын
Also forgot to add....why would anyone remove the rear wash/wipe from the Golf R (or any other Golf)! What an utterly ridiculously pointless thing to do!
@nielsdebakker32833 жыл бұрын
Looks, for the weight it ie easier to skip breakfast.
@andrewmcivor423 жыл бұрын
@@nielsdebakker3283 looks? It looks daft! Just looks like it was pulled off by vandals & the owner couldn't be bothered to replace it🤣
@vroomgc3 жыл бұрын
@@andrewmcivor42 Ya I've seen other guys do this on GTI's , not too many on R's and I agree it looks stupid.
@Wakendorf913 жыл бұрын
why would someone delete the wipers at the back??
@faustinaadu22843 жыл бұрын
That was an informative yet great video. I think the Golf R has more potential. Get in on a Dyno again once it has 6000 or more miles because people are saying it can get 350 to 360HP
@suttonspeshul55853 жыл бұрын
Literally no chance it's gaining 20 30bhp from breaking in. Seen one run 340 but it can also depend on the dyno also they run similar 100-200 times so this all seems about right
@wrashid893 жыл бұрын
Their Golf R is a beauty
@wrashid893 жыл бұрын
As is your Clubsport Andy!
@mitchjames93502 жыл бұрын
To bad it’s so expensive and a bit heavy.
@macpdm2 жыл бұрын
That R is stunning. Perhaps im just old but I like a rear wiper. I get it though aesthetically it looks very clean.
@fuhrerpolizei863 жыл бұрын
Great comparison!! Set my mind on the R then...
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
There is no bad choice 😁
@fuhrerpolizei863 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Pls Keep the Mk8 content coming!
@Sooka_Phatwon3 жыл бұрын
Smashed a clubsport just yesterday actually, didn't put up much of a fight at all really!
@einfelder82623 жыл бұрын
I smashed a mandarin yesterday, no resistance at all.
@Sooka_Phatwon3 жыл бұрын
@@einfelder8262 😂
@mphokholong85452 жыл бұрын
🤣
@andrzeja30273 жыл бұрын
as an owner of a 2021 S3 I just want to say that till very last moment I was between R and S3. for me R is better looking outside but what decided was that you spend time inside the car and from that perspective S3 is so much better, so much better screens infotainment, physical buttons ect. so S3 won because of the interior. I had 7.5 GTI and in that gen the difference vs S3 previous gen was not that much noticeable but now its huge.
@m654565663 жыл бұрын
Amazing how it’s been tested on wheel horse power and it’s more than what official figure of 320ps! Looking forward to my new mk8 golf R!
@SgHawk1442 жыл бұрын
Figures on the graph were crank power, not wheel.
@JakobusVdL2 жыл бұрын
Is there any risk to the car, engine or gearbox in doing dynomometer runs? And why with the front wheel drive GTi do you have the rear wheels on rollers? And goodness me, the Mk8 is carrying a bit of weight compared to the 5/6 or 7. What happened there?
@KING0SISQO3 жыл бұрын
I’m after the one where I can get a manual gearbox and sunroof. I don’t care about weight, I am not in a Grand Prix competition
@sleepwalker313 жыл бұрын
Very good comparison. Definitely be going from a mk7 to a mk8 R
@jaywhitney7893 жыл бұрын
Christ that Golf R is 😎🤙
@abtcup3 жыл бұрын
Maybe VW needs to come out with a "S" version of the Clubsport like the Mk7. Can the Mk8 R beat the Mk7 CSS's ring time?
@C6SuperchargedZR13 жыл бұрын
No, it's a bit slower. Mk7 CS S is a beast
@user-xm6ro1ep5d3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your depth and knowledge There's more one can get with an R than with a CS, and that's been proven not just by your videos but others
@Julia-xz7vb3 жыл бұрын
Let’s get strapping down… well it is friday night 😝
@demoney95403 жыл бұрын
Any golf R looks better than your clubsport. You compare your clubsport with basically better cars, it's quite funny. You even complain about the R's engine cover😂🙊
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Not going to argue over what looks better as it's subjective, I can express my opinion in my video can't I? You are better off writing to evo magazine to complain about the unbiased experts there giving the "better" Golf R 3/5 when the Clubsport got 4/5... www.evo.co.uk/contact-us
@chrismaddison46023 жыл бұрын
It was interesting to see the R didn't have the Racingline hose and presume the turbo elbow on either. Seems a waste of money putting the fancy intake on for 4bhp too.
@lastnamefirstname5203 жыл бұрын
Its a demo car, thats used to show how it looks on the 8. Elbow / muffler delete is not yet available for this engine (plus you cant really notice them when theyre fitted anyway)
@chrismaddison46023 жыл бұрын
@@lastnamefirstname520 you can't see the turbo elbow but you'd definitely see the hose. Hose and turbo elbow are probably giving the same gains as the r600 and cost far less. Muffler delete seems pointless by all accounts.
@vroomgc3 жыл бұрын
@@chrismaddison4602 100% agree with your assessment. I have an R and did the hose and turbo elbow and opened up the OEM intake a bit and it made a nice noticeable improvement :) Turbo muffler delete is pretty much useless except for some extra noise
@simonvazquez67513 жыл бұрын
Good watch, I mistook the black piece of fabric blowing round on the R section as a rat 🐭
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
We weren't in Birmingham 😉
@AUDIDOIT3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this comparison. Your Clubby looked lovely on the rollers, the silver looks lovely. Quite something a gain there on standard map power for both machines. Personally I would take the lighter weight clubsport over the R everyday of the week. But I respect and understand also why people would choose the R over the clubsport, if you are into all weather traction and off the line performance. Keep up the great work Andrew, love the video's and the way you present and deliver your content.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words Damien, yes indeed there is no bad choice and come the winter a might quite fancy an R but on the dry roads of summer, not much can touch the CS for excitement
@viator19872 жыл бұрын
Dude... It's not even a close race. Not on a track, or a quarter-mile. You nuts?
@ThomasHarrisonLord2 жыл бұрын
Woah, casual BTCC race-winning TDI Seat at 10:11!
@srea0642 жыл бұрын
Good results for the Club Sport. Notice the rear wheels were spinning, is the Club Sport AWD?
@stevedabs52733 жыл бұрын
Both fabulous cars that unfortunately share the same software gremlins, if your a boy racer who wants to drag race at every set of lights then the R is the one to get, drivers will go with the Clubsport every time.
@colinw15913 жыл бұрын
A real shame you can't get the R in Reflex Silver.... that modified version would look so much better.
@mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm4203 жыл бұрын
Yes, white is a baffling choice when you're spending £40k.
@MrRonan33 жыл бұрын
I had 2 golf R’s both in reflex silver A Mk6 then a 7. I tried ti order a 7.5 In reflex silver. VW had stopped that Colour so sold the 7 managed to get one Of the last TCR left in Australia. But enjoyed the R more,
@vroomgc3 жыл бұрын
@@MrRonan3 Yes I would think going from an R to a GTI would feel like you are missing something.
@downshiftpedal3 жыл бұрын
My GTi is also dyno at 265ps in Germany
@andrewmcivor423 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison - although the power to weight ratio is minimal, the R will be better, out in the real world. I don't really see the GTi Clubsport & the R as being direct competitors anyway - they have slightly different target markets. You can't get the Clubsport as an estate (no complaints from me there!) for a start! The R is a better "day to day" car, whereas the Clubsport is probably more of a harder edged "weekend" kind of car - having said that, the price difference (R is ridiculously overpriced in the Mk 8) would certainly give me food for thought if I wasn't looking for an estate. The mods on the R are largely irrelevant - very few people would modify a new car like that (& invalidate the VW warranty at the same time..). Maybe in a few years though... The big brakes/wheels basically make that R useless during the winter - even the standard Mk 8 can't take anything smaller than an 18" wheel, I think? I can get 17" Dijons onto my 7.5 R estate no problem (although they do look utterly crap, to be fair!) - keeps me going in the depths of winter. That bonnet strut mod though.....I'm expecting that on your own Clubsport soon!!
@CaptHotah3 жыл бұрын
Really wished they would have still made the Scirocco R but with all this new tech from the Golf R 😭
@Keka-vg3ut2 жыл бұрын
I'd take it over a golf any day even with less power than the golf r It's just beautiful
@stevesje712 жыл бұрын
As with the mk7 clubsport S and 7.5 R performance pack the mk8 cars are still having rotors on the floating discs for right side only, meaning the left side rotors are going in reverse. It’s very poor as on a track day the discs will run at a different temperature. We are paying a premium for the mk8. Vw please use left and right dedicated discs with directional rotor cooling!!
@antonthompson78383 жыл бұрын
That’s strange that he says that the Golf R had 333bhp and with the mods it’s 339bhp, when dyno after dyno I’ve seen 339bhp on brand new Golf R’s which maybe you’ve seen too.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Different dynos produce different readings. The important thing here is that the two cars were tested on the same dyno, we weren't comparing these cars' figures to those from other dynos as that would be pointless, we were just comparing the one car to the other.
@dj3313 жыл бұрын
So the R is the one to chose for the predominantly wet and twisty roads of the U.K. then.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
I've not had any issues with wet traction with my Eagle F1 Assymetric 5 tyres, the VAQ diff makes a big difference, far better than in the 7/7.5s. I've not had a winter yet (got the car in March) but in the wet, the car actually comes alive and you can revel in the superior steering feel and drive up to the limits of grip which remain high. R might be faster but is it more fun at sane speeds? Doubt it, and with a hot hatch that surely is the priority, not all weather ability.
@mohammadkhan85673 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard i had a cupra 290 with pilot sports with the front vaq diff, and a mk7.5 golf r, honestly in the wet they aint even close, doesnt matter what you do you cant mitigate that constant wheelspin in the wet putting 300hp through fronts on a wet surfact always gonna be way slower on throttle
@Bobby_Vang3 жыл бұрын
The Clubsport may be more exciting stock because of weight but as with my MK7 GTI once you start getting into the deeper end of tuning the two front tires just won't keep traction. So I assume if you just want to enjoy a nice stock to stage 2 daily fun car you'd get the Clubsport. If you were planning to go big turbo and you'd want the R. Each car has something their good at. I made a mistake not getting the R for the Mk7 generation, definitely getting the R this Mk8 generation.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
I think Mk8 has much better traction that Mk7 7.5, I can spin these earlier cars up in the dry but Mk8 CS doesn't do that. Obviously if you tune a CS it will be undriveable but honestly it's as fast you need for the road and pretty damn rapid on track too.
@MarcraM823 жыл бұрын
Just trying to figure out which car is uglier....
@shadyninja13 жыл бұрын
I thought that the clubsport was front wheel drive only. On the Dyno I saw all wheels moving
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
The front and rear rollers are mechanically linked. This assume is better as it measures drag from the rear axle too
@shadyninja13 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard is it four wheel drive or front wheel drive?
@mohammadkhan85673 жыл бұрын
@@shadyninja1 front
@Theurgicnick3 жыл бұрын
Literally nothing between the R and Clubsport for in gear pull and BHP/ton figures, plus the Clubsport is for sure the more involving drive. Saying that an R is just the go-to all weather weapon. Great vid once again Andrew. Keep the Mk8 content coming. Keeps me entertained while I wait for mine to arrive!
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nicholas, much appreciated. Hope yours won't be too long now 🤞
@reds0053 жыл бұрын
They’ve made a lovely job of that R. Sleek as you like
@sszhao112 жыл бұрын
You get more torque throughout the rpm with R. So it will be noticeably faster. My GTI already have trouble putting down stock 220HP even with summer tire. R would be my choice
@ISOLATICN1Ай бұрын
Becuase you can balance throttle you mup, your alignment is way out. And you’re prolly mashing the throttle. My type r has no issues unless I mash foot lmao.
@robertsparks72903 жыл бұрын
Really interesting - but @volkswizard - why did the rear wheels turn while it was on the rolling road?
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Someone has asked this already - the front and rear rollers are mechanically linked so (I assume) you get a more accurate representation of transmission drag as the rear wheels contribute to that and the dyno measures that on the "coast down" after the power run.
@relaycampervan3 жыл бұрын
For UK weather, the R is the king!
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
True, but is that really a priority for a hot hatch though?
@MarcraM823 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard yes it means you can push the limits much more on non favourable conditions in the R.
@AB-nv7bz Жыл бұрын
That stock r turbo has a lot more to give. Notice how u get 1500rpm of peak power. Also shocked this dude doesn’t know how a dyno works
@jihadjoe3 жыл бұрын
IMO the wheel HP is more relevant than engine HP, because that extra power is lost in transmission (heh) anyways. In which case your Clubsport with 189.6 wheel HP per ton actually edges out the R with gets 186.9 wheel HP per ton.
@honestreview10433 жыл бұрын
I know this would never be the case but imagine if a R was cheaper to buy than the clubsport which one would you buy?
@sleepwalker313 жыл бұрын
A good question
@bongofury31763 жыл бұрын
Do a comparison of driving out of Buxton in a snow storm...R every time for me
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Depends, stick winter tyres on a Clubsport and it will do a pretty good job in snow and be much safer especially under braking than any AWD on normal summer tyres. Sure an R on winters will be amazing but most owner think wrongly that AWD is all they need.
@cfbm1253 жыл бұрын
Great video!, good strong figures too, there was no way it was going to be lower than VW rate it. ☺️
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Autocar said CS 45 was as fast as you'd ever need your hot hatch to be so suspected it was going to be a bit fruitier than 300 PS
@GeronimoBiggles3 жыл бұрын
Do you think they will update the interior with actual knobs?
@NiceGuyAidey3 жыл бұрын
Glad i ordered the R , No offence to anyone but i prefer the Front End , not a fan of the oversized Honey this time around .... but the delays are annoying me and i have dipped into looking at the new Rs3
@johnguidetti58393 жыл бұрын
Might as well go RS3 if you can pal
@NiceGuyAidey3 жыл бұрын
@@johnguidetti5839 Yes i'm thinking more that way now, I have always been Vw man, never had an audi, but like the looks of it
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Have you priced it up? I could buy 2 CSs for the price of one RS3!
@johnguidetti58393 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizardNew base spec RS3 is £49,415. With a few options like metallic paint, adaptive suspension and comfort & sound pack it’s 51,570. Interested to see where you will get 2 Club-sports at £25,758?
@NiceGuyAidey3 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard Ive had a quick look yes, the rs3 is in a different league to the cs though.
@maverick41773 жыл бұрын
All very good but cars aren’t driven on dynos, figures are just figures In terms of useable power and grip the R will always be better in most scenarios Well… until it meets an RS3 🤣
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Depends what you mean by better which for me isn't faster but more exciting and engaging, as the reviews reflect, the Clubsport is "better" in that scenario which for a hot hatch is a very significant one.
@maverick41773 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard ah but of course, but Andy we all know you have a real distain for the R since you owned the MK7 version 😂 it is very obvious you are not a fan
@davothegreat99903 жыл бұрын
Rs3 will cost more...... Don't see the logic here. Different price bracket...
@butchmeister803 жыл бұрын
So the R is quicker than gti. Looks better to in white.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
How this translates to actual performance is the next challenge. Need to drag race and in gear test and brake test Clubsport and R to really see the differences. Track test would be good too
@davidpegg45163 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see how much less hp you would make using standard fuel. Interesting video though.
@mrrooneygeorgee65243 жыл бұрын
The interior usability, no gas struts, no labelled engine cover, the front end. Cmon VW fix these things, otherwise it’s really one of best hot hatches out there right now.
@VarandasMD3 жыл бұрын
Making more power than claimed isn’t surprising on most VAG turbo engines. It has been like that since at least the mk4 TDI and the mk5 TFSI. BMW engines also make more power than claimed on many models.
@Tracertme3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed the video clearly the best car to buy is yours and run the higher octane. I prefer the looks of yours really, especially the wheels, I would entertain this car if it was not a lite hybrid. All VAG products more or less given the common parts bin are using more of this high gloss plastic trim which looks really cheap and marks even worse, and the gadget stuff is all gimmicks and plagued with poor software testing. It’s a real shame all I constantly see is manufacturers reducing cost when all I want is an emotive drive which smacks of quality engineering and finish. I would even pay more for a slower car.
@specops3 жыл бұрын
so wait is the 440 ish bhp the Golf R made on the dyno at the crank or what it is putting down on the ground? I thought that specialist guy said it was at the crank - But I thought BHP ment power to the ground?
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
BHP is just a measurement scale so can be either to the ground or crank. It's like mph can be a car or a plane.
@luddejohannesen64653 жыл бұрын
Great video! Both cars are amazing! I just picked ut my mk8 R here in Norway because of the long winters. Do you Know what difference the tuning module is making on the R? And is it availeble to buy? Great content again!
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ludde! I'll do a review with the tuning box active soon but I think it was about 20-25 PS. It's probably still in development but have a look at www.racingline.com/ and see if it's there👍
@Pete7.5R3 жыл бұрын
Geekery at its finest 🤓👍 and that R looks far better than standard 😎
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
I will take that as a compliment (as I am sure Racingline will for your other comment too) 👍
@DavidRamseyIII3 жыл бұрын
Does the club sport have those hideous red tartan seats? That’s a non starter
@GrahamReid343 жыл бұрын
its just a golf?!
@DM-fn7je3 жыл бұрын
Nice content, the R needs the performance spoiler otherwise it looks too much like an R line
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed Dan, Performance Pack is a bit of a no brainer - just glad you got the spoiler on the CS as standard, probably because it helps distinguish it over 245 GTI
@sunshine101spooger3 жыл бұрын
This may be stupid but why were the rear wheels of the GTI moving in the Dyno?
@chrisjd19843 жыл бұрын
Can someone answer this guys question I want to know too
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Someone please correct be of I am wrong but my understanding is that the dyno rollers are mechanically linked so four wheel drive cars drive them "as one" - 2 wheel drive cars then drive their rear wheels via the dyno which is taken into account by the transmission loss calculator. When you drive a front wheel drive car on the road, the rear wheels create friction/drag so it's actually more realistic if the dyno replicates this. I should point out this is a special dyno for developing software rather than the typical dyno tuners have so it works differently.
@cfbm1253 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard as well as what’s been said above, I’m pretty sure I heard somewhere that modern cars also have a brain fart if they detect that the rears are not spinning when being run up.
@chrisjd19843 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard awww now that answers all the questions at once thanks mate appreciated that 👍
@Chris-fg2qh3 жыл бұрын
So much love for the Racingline dyno cell ❤
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
They told me it was photogenic but I didn't expect it to be **that** photogenic 😍
@Chris-fg2qh3 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard Yeah the lighting just works so well too! Great video by the way 👌
@MrGingerninja19893 жыл бұрын
If you also factor in drive train loss of the 4wd system, I’d expect the clubsport to have the edge rolling
@stevesje713 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your video Andrew, I think I’d have the clubsport over the R. I’m still missing my clubsport S
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
You and me both!
@stevesje713 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard I bought the TCR a year ago which I’ve barely driven because of work. It’s a great car but not in the same league as a Clubsport S. Sometimes I do think shall I sell the TCR and my mk4 or mk5 r32 and buy another CSS?
@Sold_a_dummy3 жыл бұрын
I have the same strut tower mount. It's actually a noticeable change. I was surprised. It's very interesting about the Dyno. I knew it calculating real horsepower and then figured in the driver from the accessories and the transmission. However I didn't know how it did it. Good power figures. I wonder what they can do with bolt ONS and no tune. Intercooler, downpipe etc.
@samseptember64043 жыл бұрын
What BHP do these golf R’s produce after a remap?
@danprescott22563 жыл бұрын
Currently no one can't remap these cars just yet
@simonturner2867 Жыл бұрын
@@danprescott2256 there are a few about now making nearly 400hp i think devil developments is one company that map them
@danprescott2256 Жыл бұрын
@@simonturner2867 damn that's pretty crazy
@vestexl3 жыл бұрын
Great comparasion!. Would like to know if they sell this R600 carbon bcs i cant find anywhere. Is something they made for them or is public?
@christopherwoodhead70213 жыл бұрын
How can a 4wd car only have a 3whp loss difference to a fwd?
@stupot85723 жыл бұрын
I put a set of Racingline R360, gunmetal grey (same as the R in this vid) wheels onto my pure white MK8 Golf GTi and had the mirror caps painted gloss black. No DCC, and not lowered. Looks way better than stock anyway. The car replaces a 2020 Audi S3 sportback, and I'm still blown away by how much better the GTi rides and handles in comparison, despite obviously being down on power and FWD only.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
They've done some great work on Mk8 chassis. I left Racingline with 4 white boxes in the boot and a big bill....😉
@stupot85723 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard haha. Yea, VW have done an awesome job. Was also gona say, I went with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymetric 5's after watching your 'new wheels' vid. They're pretty decent too.
@jimmyjt163 жыл бұрын
You should've got the R instead of that fake CS.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Really? evo magazine is one of the most respected performance car magazines in the world and rated the Clubsport higher than the R, do you know better than them?
@jimmyjt163 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard i know it's not a proper CS. Don't base your car choice of what magazine editors tell you. The R is undoubtedly the better car.
@escos04103 жыл бұрын
@@jimmyjt16 behave son
@TIM6128263 жыл бұрын
Golf r looks nicer. OK is 0.0001bhp faster, but in the UK with all the shit weather, I think worth it!!! 😀
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
I get that, I do really but you have to trade off how much the weather can dampen the pleasure in the CS vs how **amazing** it is to drive on a dry road
@TIM6128263 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizardI know what your saying, front wheel drive is more engaging to drive compared to a safe 4wd especially in the dry. But hay ho, I got my clio 182 for that... Lol. I think the golf r is one of the best cars for driving in the UK, with all the wet weather we get. It's better up hills, driving over uneven surfaces potholes etc etc. The CS is still nice but not better than the r...
@thedetailingdoctor57463 жыл бұрын
I agree about Tesco momentum I’ve tested a few fuels in my 130i now and I thought esso supreme would be the best for mpg at least given it’s 0 ethanol but Tesco was actually slightly better
@miljanivanko23123 жыл бұрын
Great video as always...Do you think we will see R+ or R Edition 20 soon,because in 2022, is 20th anniversary of Golf R?
@Alex-wl1je3 жыл бұрын
A Golf R 7/8 owner should probably think twice before going for an overtake after looking at the GTI logo and thinking that their car is much faster
@nicholasheys40613 жыл бұрын
Did they say anything about potential gains in bhp for CS if these guys did remap ?? I’m not sure if I do or don’t at this stage whats your opinion
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Nobody has yet mapped the ECU on a Mk8 GTI or R but tuning box was about 20 hp more that stock on R (around 360) I think so CS will be similar.
@simonturner2867 Жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard a couple of companies have managed to mapped them now and with stg1 map they are making close to 400hp
@stevenhowat67353 жыл бұрын
Clubsport is a classy machine and by far the more fun and exhilarating drive which is primarily why I’m getting one and not the R
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Horse for courses, it's good we have the choice and there is no wrong one. In 2030 things will be very different.
@briandouglas11822 жыл бұрын
Vw has a history of the numbers on paper being less than the real world dyno results.
@volkswizard2 жыл бұрын
That's the best way around isn't it Brian?!
@briandouglas11822 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard when it comes to insurance it helps. But bragging rights, not so. You would have to carry around your dyno sheet in the glove box and pull it out when its necessary. Especially if your caught in the middle JDM fan fest.
@nicktabor23933 жыл бұрын
I am tempted by the R with Racing line mods . 😃
@rob888883 жыл бұрын
Well this video really sums up VW Golf lovers doesn’t it 🥱
@kevdavies34453 жыл бұрын
great vid interesting
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it kev
@gerardcahill39243 жыл бұрын
Somebody just got over 340 dyno on MK8 R Archie Hamilton?
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
All I can say is that some dynos are there to provide power figures for customers of tuning companies and some (like this one) are there to develop tuning parts and software - this dyno was not used for customer cars. So calibrations may vary. Also mass produced cars will all vary to some degree.
@NorthWestEnduro3 жыл бұрын
I wonder why the R have a petrol flap that you push in? My mk8 GTE is opened from inside the car
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Why is your GTE one opened from inside the car is the question! They haven't done that since Mk5! I presume it's something to do with it being a hybrid, I bet that car cost VW a lot more to make than a GTI!
@NorthWestEnduro3 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard very strange 🤔. It would be interesting to see what a GTE makes on the Dyno.
@jon_2733 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard Yep, the GTE has a pressurised tank and it has to depressurise before you can open the fuel flap to fill it up. The idea is so the petrol vapours are kept contained when the car is running in electric mode for extended periods.
@saltandsham3 жыл бұрын
Good video. I was going to get a GTI CS but ended up with a BMW M340i a few weeks ago
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
I blame that Joe Achilles 😃
@saltandsham3 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard yeah its so hard deciding what car to buy. My top 5 list was VW and BMW in the end the extra boot space was important to me. I wanted to be able to put a mountain bike in the car, the golf and series 1 was a little short. After having a few fast cars without 4x4 all my friends with 4x4 said how much better it was in the winter months it was down to the Golf CS, R or M340I.....
@kcmsterpce3 жыл бұрын
@@saltandsham It was an easy choice for me, because in March I couldn't get an R until at least December, and the CS was available mid-June. I was using a rental. BMW had nothing in stock that I was interested in, with at least a 6 month wait. So.... CS it was! I'm very happy with it, though.
@saltandsham3 жыл бұрын
@@kcmsterpce Nice one. I honestly couldn't choose between them, but boot space and wheels won the BMW over for me. We should all enjoy them before electric becomes the new normal 8-)
@xtremeelectronics28623 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@NismoHenkan3 жыл бұрын
What type of fuel did you run on? 95? 98? do not know what octanes you have in England
@pillred59743 жыл бұрын
He ran his (Club sport) on Tesco momentum which is 99, I don't know what the r was using.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
I think I asked about the R and it was V power or some other super
@scottt.45963 жыл бұрын
Great content! Thanks 🙏🏻 Would love more content related to bolt-on items and if they actually add power.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Hey Scott, glad you enjoyed it. Dynoing bolt on stuff is a good idea but dynos are usually owned by tuners so bit of a can worms there. If I had my own dyno that I could control the results of and perform the tests scientifically then that would work, maybe one day!
@JofGB3 жыл бұрын
Be interesting to see a drag race
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Yes it would as well as a track challenge
@Tom_banx3 жыл бұрын
Ah good… be sticking with the CS then! What strong engines these are. Cost cutting VW? Not where it matters…
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
That is true! I was thinking they could have just pegged down the boost and fuel and had them way closer to quoted but for both cars with different software to be over by the same amount seems almost deliberate and surprising considering more bhp means more Co2. I'm not complaining but it would be interesting to see how much power a later built car produces to see if this is another software bug :)
@Tom_banx3 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard I’d imagine it would shit itself in all ways under the sun if that was a software bug. It really appears that any cost saving on Golf 8 is on the ‘surface’… where the accountants can pick things out and degrade them. The true engineers (why we love VW) have really shifted 8 on from 7, as proven by your service video. I wouldn’t waste too much time speculating how much more the cost of one aluminium subframe is over a hydro bonnet strut…
@stewartlewis35033 жыл бұрын
RacingLine's MK8 looks like it'll ride like a pile of poo on the road. Way too low and too big wheels. I've always believed on the road you want suppleness and suspension travel.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Wheels are 19" so same as what the factory fit and it has DCC so has a comfort mode. The factory springs are quite firm so it's not impossible even with less travel it's no worse. Will drive and report back soon 👍
@Pete7.5R3 жыл бұрын
Got me wondering about the power to weight ratio of my 7.5R (310) manual 3 door. . .dyno run 328 bhp, weight 1429kg, I make that 229.53 bhp/tonne 🤓
@James-yl3kk3 жыл бұрын
I thought the Rs rear wheels only had drive when the front lost traction? Or is that how old haldex worked?
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
No, that's still true. The dyno rollers at the front drive the rear wheels which prevents centre diff issues which can happen even if Haldex is deactivated.
@James-yl3kk3 жыл бұрын
They should have a visual display to let you know the power distribution across the wheels while driving. I always wondered while driving the R I had if the rear was engaged or not.
@dj3313 жыл бұрын
@@James-yl3kk on my R when you look at the power distribution In the digital cockpit , it’s always showing power going to the rear even on light acceleration
@James-yl3kk3 жыл бұрын
@@dj331 is that in the mk8?
@Davew335r3 жыл бұрын
Do they have an idea of what the R with the tuning box will be running?
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Matt said it was 20-25 bhp ish above standard I think, nowhere near as much as a map. I'll be doing a full review of that car in due course.
@deanmcdonnell74773 жыл бұрын
You make me laugh but the golf R is always better, you say don’t race of clubs for S, but you know the first corner you were hitting the tree and the golf R will be gone 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@Rookiereece3 жыл бұрын
A decent driver could hustle a Clubsport Down a road quicker than a R,
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
What Reece said, hence why the "decent drivers" at evo magazine gave the Clubsport 4/5 and the R 3/5
@stephenpearson87203 жыл бұрын
@@Rookiereece yes till it rains,like it does most of the time in this country.Surely the R is the better choice for our climate
@Tom_banx3 жыл бұрын
A good driver wouldn’t have to worry about such things.
@stephenpearson87203 жыл бұрын
@@Tom_banx really…How’s that then? 300bhp through the front wheels in the wet turning and putting power down, it’s just physics 4wd has to be better. .CS would be slower than an R on any track/road,with a good driver in the wet.Dry conditions should be a different story.
@Loopsrainforest3 жыл бұрын
My favourite mod would be a power & volume button....
@N8KOW3 жыл бұрын
Matt Ellis & the rest of the RL team are the guys
@hueva12343 жыл бұрын
Waited a while for this 🤩
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Hope it was worth it Ameen!
@hueva12343 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard definitely was!
@darrenaddyman15563 жыл бұрын
You should see the Ecotune Gold R in Glasgow it’s an absolute beast!
@CM.2433 жыл бұрын
The R looks so much better than the Club Sport with its horrendously ugly and tacky looking honeycomb grille.
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
At least you won't mistake a CS for an R line....
@johnguidetti58393 жыл бұрын
@@volkswizard With that honeycomb grille a CS could be mistaken for a GTD, GTI ,GTE…
@iiAmMaddoxD2 жыл бұрын
Was the 339bhp crank or wheels hp?
@simonturner2867 Жыл бұрын
crank
@bikersparky3 жыл бұрын
Love all those racing line caps, so much better than the oem cheap plastic
@volkswizard3 жыл бұрын
Agreed CAL!
@escos04103 жыл бұрын
I knew and have proven it myself. No regret what so ever when both cars where side by side new, besides. You see 10 R’s to 1 CS and that IMO is what matters. I know for a fact that ours always gets the looks and thumbs up when out and about. Me personal I just couldn’t bring myself knowing a R line looks the same as the R. I was hell bent this time getting a R too lol 😂
@kerpoise3 жыл бұрын
There's way more CSs and GTis on the road than Rs. (mk8s). On the recent Golf mk8 FB group it was 33 clubsports to 16 Rs that people owned with 52 GTis. EDIT: I was wrong, it's about the same!
@escos04103 жыл бұрын
@@kerpoise not where I live, and the job I do doing between 1200/1400miles per week says different mate
@kerpoise3 жыл бұрын
Just checked the new registrations. We're both wrong really! They're almost identical new regs this year for Rs and Clubsports. Obviously different to the MK7 R as they were super cheap on lease deals, and common as muck!
@escos04103 жыл бұрын
@@kerpoise I just go off what I see on the roads mate and it’s very rare I see the CS
@kerpoise3 жыл бұрын
I go off the official UK statistics. There was more GTis registered on the road this year so far than Rs and Clubsports combined! Both stunning cars, and pretty rare at around 300 registered this year.
@kennymcallister25233 жыл бұрын
Another great video racing line r absolutely stunning 🤩