May 8, 2020 - Raking silage by raking team Brink with two machines: Valtra N174 tractor and Krone Swadro 1400 rotary rake. John Deere 6175R tractor and Kuhn Merge Maxx belt merger, demonstration machine of Greving.
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@jacoblooney18824 жыл бұрын
I got the opportunity to run both of these exact pieces of machinery. On this flat ground the rake will do a better job, but get into a rough or hilly field and the merger wins every time. A rotary rake like that tears itself apart going through ruts and uneven ground, and will only last a couple years. The merger will need maintenance also, but in the long run is built to last in these environments and can withstand the beating of rough fields.
@NethanMontgomery4 жыл бұрын
This was a lot more entertaining than any of the other crap youtube recommends
@gavinclarke27444 жыл бұрын
The one that’s best is the one that puts less soil into the clamp, Forget asking the chopper driver think about the animal that’s eating it, speed doesn’t pay the bills !!!!
@ALPHABEASTACE4 жыл бұрын
The belt
@ArchersView4 жыл бұрын
Good video & great to see!! The kuhn has it's benefits on stoney uneven ground & brings 6 rows to 1 against 5 rows to 1 for the krone. They are both great machines but the krone is now a very well tested machine so time will tell.
@MultiSwatts4 жыл бұрын
They both have their pros and cons, but that merger looks as though it flicks a bit out of the edge as it goes along that might add up over 100s of acres also looks a bit lumpy
@danw60144 жыл бұрын
I have read some of the comments through I would put my 2 cents in. I have a single rotary rake that I use for small square bales. The windrow is much more consistent. I do not have any problems with the rake picking up dirt but my fields are raked clean. I have found it better to use a higher horse power tractor and run the pto at a lower rpm to prevent shattering alfalfa hay that is drying to bale. If you want to put dirt in the hay get a wheel rake.
@paolobenda55732 жыл бұрын
Good news Dan, now there are Double Wheel Rakes by Repossi. The quality of forage is comparable to mergers and rotary rakes with a much simpler but robust machines raking at 20 km/h. Check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmW3haeNoamCgrs&ab_channel=RepossiMacchineAgricole
@billgadient85673 жыл бұрын
The tedding job was the most impressive
@sinoothenladd85044 жыл бұрын
Maybe me but growing up with a rotary rake , still seams the best way with less 2go wrong !!
@jjarm4 жыл бұрын
Bigger swath too
@joonasrautio99094 жыл бұрын
@@jjarm you got bigger swath with merger
@adriekunst26954 жыл бұрын
Een bandhark is de beste hark om zo'n laag mogelijk percentage ruw as(RAS) in de silage te krijgen, dus minder zand of grond. Dit betekent meer energie(VEM) per kg droge stof(DS) wat een hogere potentiële melkgift per Ha geeft. De kwaliteit van het ruwvoer gaat omhoog waardoor de boer ook minder krachtvoer hoeft te kopen, daarom komen er steeds meer bandharken aan het draaien, zelfs ook al als zelfrijder zoals de Ploeger CM4240. Daarnaast is minder RAS ook minder slijtage in hakselaar, pers of opraapwagen en ook in voermengwagen en tevens minder overschot aan het voerrek. Verdere voordelen zijn flexibiliteit bij het maken van een optimaal zwad door allerlei mogelijkheden met verschillende breedtes in het zwad, hierdoor worden de oogstmachines en dan vnl. de hakselaar efficiënter. Meer Ha per uur wat resulteert in lagere kosten voor de boer.
@nick1996994 жыл бұрын
ruw as is niet per definitie alleen zand, mineralen worden ook gemeten als ruw as als je in de kuil onder de 90 ruw as uit komt zit je te krap met mineralen
@adriekunst26954 жыл бұрын
Klopt, ruw as bestaat uit interne en externe ruw as(RAS). De interne zijn de mineralen, de externe oa. zand of grond. De interne bij gras ligt bij ca. 60-70 g/kg DS(6-7%) dus alles boven 70 in de kuiluitslag is vervuiling. Normaliter zal op de uitslag een waarde staan tussen 90-120. Met de bandhark onder de 90 komen is eenvoudig mogelijk, al helemaal met de Ploeger CM4240 zelfrijdende bandhark, omdat hier alle gras voor de wielen is weg geharkt, dus niet meer eerst met de trekkerbanden gras in de bodem drukken en het er met de hark weer uit plukken.
@nick1996994 жыл бұрын
dat klopt zeker, maar ook een bandhark is geen wonder middel. een bandhark maakt niet goed wat je net de schudder al verpest, evenals tekort maaien dan moet je ook met de bandhark dieper rapen. kortom je ruw as staat of valt niet alleen bij een cirkelhark of bandhark het hele proces moet goed zijn, als je alles goed doed en dan harkt met een cirkelhark kan het ruw as wel lager zijn dan dat je tediep maait en schud en met een bandhark bezig bent. en de aanschafprijs is nogal pittig een 9 meter cirkelhark kost rond de 20.000 een 9 meter bandhark zit je tegen de 50.000
@bucketofsteam92603 жыл бұрын
I've found that using a garden rake, while slower, produces more silage especially when I use a tedder after running it through the wood chipper attached to the front of the harvester.
@jayyoung25864 жыл бұрын
Belt merger left material on the outside of the machine (not in the windrow) on a couple of passes. Rake didn't miss anything.
@teunvandeneertwegh4 жыл бұрын
Just the way of driving
@elofos08154 жыл бұрын
not only the way... yes ther is a sequenze when he missed... but u see with the belt, not all what picked up going to that way where u will it
@RUMad34 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt the rotary rake is the best. Less mechanical parts to tear up , more efficient at higher speeds therefore a time saver!
@lileti21993 жыл бұрын
Yeah and im sure they are cheaper, atleast the smaller ones
@theghostofcornpop41754 жыл бұрын
Merger obviously makes a cleaner swarth less dirt and stones and also can make different sizes depending on how heavy a crop ! I think merger is hands down the better option
@landtechnikmv-agriculturalvide4 жыл бұрын
Schönes Video und tolle Technik. Greets Stefan
@chunkmen4 жыл бұрын
In most cases I would say it all depends on the equipment, most people don't have a 4-6 wheel rake, its usually 2, they also don't have huge top of the line forage harvesters. If you want to be really specific and consider all of the factors a merger is better at the high end, the same sized merger can potentially make a swath twice the size of its width because most mergers can go left/right or in the middle. A 24 meter wide swath is large enough for any top end forage harvester that a merger just can't do.
@LuckyTommy374 жыл бұрын
Merge Maxx 950 is very popular in Czech Republic. We do a lot of halage from alfa alfa and clover, so the merger is solution. It doesnt ripe of the leafes also the haylage is more clean.
@Agriculturespotter4 жыл бұрын
Mooie video! Geen idee wat het beste is, hoorde dat het afhankelijk is van hoe vlak je land is.
@VolmerFilm4 жыл бұрын
Dat heb ik ook gehoord van de chauffeurs. Hoe vlakker de weide, hoe mooier de bandhark werkt.
@agriculturecroatia20 күн бұрын
very nice equipment... and video also!
@balmesh4 жыл бұрын
Ask the chopper driver - he'll tell you which provides the best swathe!
@Turquoise4124 жыл бұрын
balmesh The chopper driver isn’t going to be happy with the different sized swathes in this field!
@matthias49714 жыл бұрын
Don't ask the chopper driver ask the numbers....
@xSCHEF4 жыл бұрын
Who the duck cares about the chopper driver? Ask the farmer which silage yields the highest liters in milk. The only reason these machines are running is because the dairy farmer is paying the bill. I already know the answer, the belt has the cleanest silage material, but in our experience a lot comes down to the tedding. We contract a operator that uses KRONE mowers that don’t swath the grass, so no tedding needed. Tedding ruins the silage, but that’s our experience I won’t generalize that assumption.
@xSCHEF4 жыл бұрын
America Americans smh. Belt means less dirt in the silage and less of an impact on the crop which in turn leads to less weeds and healthier grass. These combined leed to better feed and increased milk production. Downside is higher maintenance on the machine.
@joelhoffer56674 жыл бұрын
@America well less dirt u have in ur hay or silage the better quality silgae so the healthier for the milk cow and the healthier ur milk cow is the better shell produce milk
@HappyHarryHardon3 жыл бұрын
The rake takes a bigger swath and doesn’t leave a row of spill over between rows.
@MarekMatusiak-k6r8 ай бұрын
Super sprzęt 👍👍👍
@AltijdMatthijs4 жыл бұрын
Bandhark heeft een snellere arbeidsnelheid maar een rotor hark is breder, En een rotor hark is goedkoper.
@AgriculturebyHans4 жыл бұрын
Prachtige video weer!
@AgricultureINDIA-914 жыл бұрын
Belt merger is best for this work
@futurepilot67494 жыл бұрын
What does belt pull from valtra or jd.thank you
@vratislavrusz92843 жыл бұрын
@@bigbalooner2361 Kuhn is French
@eddanimoots18964 жыл бұрын
The rumors are true these machines exist outside fs
@anthonystermich67354 жыл бұрын
There is no way that the merger makes a fluffy windrow, so if it's speed one wants a merger is OK, but for quality a rotary is much better
@southernwulf33354 жыл бұрын
Actually. The rake will drag the grass along the ground potentially putting dirt in the grass. The merger picks it up and moves it so less dirt get on the grass. Less dirt in the grass the more and better quality milk you get out of cows.
@alexveldhuis60044 жыл бұрын
@@southernwulf3335 Pick up tines on the merger can do the 'digging in the dirt' thing as well. All in all pretty similar and a major improvement on the old ground driven wheel rakes still so popular in the U.S.
@topmaquinaria343 жыл бұрын
Very fast no ?
@meikasroom8514 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the rake looks to be doing a better job and the merger is missing alot.
@lordmg2068 Жыл бұрын
The driver is missing a lot. Merger does cleaner
@kmcca084 жыл бұрын
Belt merger just seems to complicate things.
@JDrostAgricultureVideoNL4 жыл бұрын
Mooie video
@jasdunlop9907 Жыл бұрын
Rake will leave a better swath in most crops .in heavy grass mergers seem to lump swath not good for chopper or baler
@jeanp.53043 жыл бұрын
Super gemacht das Video 👍 Ich würde mich immer für den Kreiselschwader entscheiden aufgrund der Arbeitsbreite man hat ja deutlich weniger Schwade die man beim häckseln abfahren muss
@derlogische60863 жыл бұрын
Wenige Schwaden kannst du mit einem Bandschwader auch mach. Da musst du halt zur Seite rüberschmeißen, und nicht in die Mitte legen
@jeanp.53043 жыл бұрын
@@derlogische6086 würde bei uns nicht gehen weil die Schwader nicht viel Vorsprung vorm Häcksler haben wir häckseln ca 120 -130 ha am Tag das würde er nicht schaffen wenn man 2 mal für ein Schwad fahren muss
@NsteinVideo4 жыл бұрын
Top Video mach weiter so . Gruß N-Stein Video
@TC-lc3uf4 жыл бұрын
How do they compare on price? Can the merger handle heavy grass.?
@joonasrautio99094 жыл бұрын
It can
@redpacketa4 жыл бұрын
Wooaaww nice work! 👍😉
@stephanelafalize59593 жыл бұрын
Beau matériel 👍👍😍
@MrPummi884 жыл бұрын
Definitiv Bandschwader. Leichter, kompakter, braucht weniger Kraft und vorallem wird das Futter viel weniger verunreinigt.
@kaspars78904 жыл бұрын
Preis?
@christoph34224 жыл бұрын
Leichter? Weniger Kraft? Bist du da sicher,
@mikahunerkopf1984 жыл бұрын
Der Kreisel ist denke ich eindeutig leichter
@gezwungenernick38884 жыл бұрын
Und was macht der tolle Bandschwader, wenn die Wiese keine 4 rechten Winkel hat?
@115Andreas4 жыл бұрын
@@gezwungenernick3888 Wie meinst das? Hier hat mein Vater für das Video das Vorgewende angelegt. Und auf den anderen Flächen habe ich die zweite Kitte rundherum zum Schluss angelegt das genug Platz zum Wenden hast.
@cristinelmihaineagu86234 жыл бұрын
Both are doing a good job
@farmer_james.nancekivell50384 жыл бұрын
Depends on how big you want your row
@landerbunneghem4 жыл бұрын
Mooi werk
@SharkBoy1784 жыл бұрын
I think I like the merger better
@ALPHABEASTACE4 жыл бұрын
The rake is bigger where as the belt merger is better if the grass is used toward feed as it doesn't pick up as much dirt and rocks
@lileti21993 жыл бұрын
Lol what else is grass used for except feed?
@neverstopexploring7772 Жыл бұрын
@@lileti2199biogas,composting ,
@rbaldibaldi91294 жыл бұрын
Il sistema -roc- ranghinatore a tappeto mobile ha pregi e difetti , non va messo in contrapposizione al ranghinatore a pettine . Se hai una azienda piccola non serve il roc , se invece commerci in foraggi e ne produci in grandi quantità il roc consente di migliorare la qualità , consente di perdere meno foglia e raccogliere meno polvere .
@ianmartin7624 жыл бұрын
Rake does a better job not as lumpy. So better for the forager
@eduardvisscher4 жыл бұрын
Ik denk minder draaiende delen op bandhark en daarom minder storing en onderhoud met bandhark? Maar heb geen ervaring met bandhark
@VolmerFilm4 жыл бұрын
Bandhark heeft de pick-up en afvoerbanden, dat draait ook allemaal en heeft onderhoud nodig.
@eduardvisscher4 жыл бұрын
@@VolmerFilm ok dan, wat heb jij liever?
@VolmerFilm4 жыл бұрын
Als de weide vlak is, werkt de bandhark super en heeft een grote capaciteit. Bij ongelijk terrein laat de rotorhark minder gras liggen.
@farmdiaries94784 жыл бұрын
@@VolmerFilm komt door dat de rotorhark op meerder punten kan kantelen zodat die met de grond gelijk blijft.
@adriekunst26954 жыл бұрын
Klopt de rotorhark laat minder liggen, maar het RAS gehalte in de kuil zal hoger zijn. Een bandhark is ervoor gebouwd om minder RAS en minder blad en stengel breuk en verlies te hebben. Vnl heel belangrijk bij luzerne en klaver.
@zcaalock4 жыл бұрын
What map are you playing on?
@swissix49474 жыл бұрын
The real world
@Scarvarg4 жыл бұрын
As long as it's on auto drive 😂
@michaelfischer58009 ай бұрын
Völlig ohne Text nur sinnlose Bilder... Da bleibt einem nur die Frage im Titel zu beantworten: "Kreiselschwader oder Bandschwader?" Antwort: Ja, beide waren zu sehen....
@vladimirmilkovic51432 жыл бұрын
👑👑👑👑
@theirishbot31733 жыл бұрын
Rake is better as it doesn't leave any grass behind
@lordmg2068 Жыл бұрын
Its the driver that leaves grass behind
@KorporalKain4 жыл бұрын
Wenn beim Bandschwader nicht die Hälfte daneben fallen würde, wäre er vielleicht nicht schlecht 1:38
@flix30064 жыл бұрын
Der ist einfach zu knapp am Rand gefahren
@okalff22684 жыл бұрын
Aber der isch do da fihr id auf dir awander schlau nauf gefahren scheiss 4er
@Christoph-Wilhelm_Rieckmann4 жыл бұрын
@@okalff2268, welches Tier haben die Alpentaler Inzestrammler bestiegen??? >Oder anders, red' Deutsch oder zumindest irgendeine Sprache ohne Dialekt!
@andreaswetzel20394 жыл бұрын
@@Christoph-Wilhelm_Rieckmann Bloß weil Du koin Dialekt verstohsch (und vermutlich selber koin hosch), brauchsch it andere akacka.
@BeardedSkull4 жыл бұрын
Lasst den jungen in Ruhe und redet deutsch! Falls ihr Lappen eine Schule besucht habt, müsstet ihr ja theoretisch wissen, wie sich DEUTSCH anhört und wie man es spricht und schreibt!
@tibo22tibo3 жыл бұрын
Na takú malú trávu potrebujete také veľké stroje
@sinisabalentovic96174 жыл бұрын
Rake is better i think!!!
@gemser244 жыл бұрын
Seen a lot of waste grass coming out of merger to me sure proved not to buy a merger
@juu53414 жыл бұрын
Valtra!!
@henkhertgers5428 Жыл бұрын
vind hem niet netjes harken die banden hark
@hermannhollerbach18444 жыл бұрын
Bandschwaden sind in Luzerne unschlagbar.
@РожденныйВСССР-з1з3 жыл бұрын
Хорошая техника но стоит много
@deinname23894 жыл бұрын
So nen trockenen Kram kann jeder Schwader
@tomschutte79474 жыл бұрын
Bandhark is veel te duur en ik vind een rotorhark netter harken
@filmprofi1004 ай бұрын
schöne maschinen aber einfach übertriebene schlepper
@vishalchauhan39004 жыл бұрын
Super
@anthonyagri22104 жыл бұрын
Beau comparatif 👍
@JD9402 жыл бұрын
Shud had been a larger merger
@MoelleragrarmarketingDe4 жыл бұрын
... hier siehst du, wie sich der Kauf des Kreiselschwaders rechnet: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIOuYZ2Zr8-ZsK8
@MoelleragrarmarketingDe4 жыл бұрын
Cooles Video! Hier siehst du, wie sich der Kauf eines KAMMschwaders rechnet: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIOuYZ2Zr8-ZsK8
@thomasschober23444 жыл бұрын
Keeiselschwader ist besser Und billiger
@Christoph-Wilhelm_Rieckmann4 жыл бұрын
Wieso glaubst du, dass er besser ist? Der Bandschwader kann an einer Stelle punkten, bei der kein Kreiselschwader mitkommen kann, selbst der Krone mit den gekröpften Zinken und dem Lift-Effekt nicht: Es gibt vom Aufnahmeort bis zum Schwad keinen Bodenkontakt und somit keine Futterverschmutzung, etwa durch Bodenmitnahme! Das hilft bei der Gärung und es bringt mehr Leistung aus dem Futtertrog. 🙂 Bzw. im Falle der Betonkuh, vermindert es mineralische Einträge, die die Anlagen meist nicht so gut verdauen...
@Peter-rk4oc4 жыл бұрын
Billiger: ja Besser: kann ich nicht bestätigen... Haben jeweils nen Pöttinger & Fella Kreiselschwader. Aber seid wir vor 2 Jahren nen Reiter Bandschwader gekauft haben stehen die Kreisel meist nur noch rum
@wurstwasserpeter57044 жыл бұрын
@@Peter-rk4oc Hattet ihr auch einmal ein Kuhn getestet?
@Peter-rk4oc4 жыл бұрын
Wurstwasser Peter NÖ... bin mit meinen Brüdern nach AT gefahren, hab mir den vor Ort bei ner Vorführung angesehen (war ziemlich überzeugend), dann ein paar Monate daheim Probe gefahren, und mich dann dafür entschieden dass er am Hof bleibt.
@wurstwasserpeter57044 жыл бұрын
@@Peter-rk4oc ok, habe nur schon öfter gehört dass Reiter deutlich besser sein soll als Kuhn. Dachte ob du da was weißt. Mit den Kuhn waren wir nicht zufrieden. Da ist der kreiselschwader doch besser. Vielleicht muss man mal ein Reiter ausprobieren
@nathamon82673 жыл бұрын
WOW I SEE PROGRAM YOU NATHAMON CHAIWADEE MY NAME IS LUS
@fayzullobek8854 жыл бұрын
Salom
@쏘니-s3d4 жыл бұрын
지리네
@umutcaglayan96273 жыл бұрын
I have 55 hp 88 model :P
@edouardomaindargent76854 жыл бұрын
Or we stop doing it at all. Regenerative pasture.
@lileti21993 жыл бұрын
Stfu
@nadiacasarin81474 жыл бұрын
Km
@okalff22684 жыл бұрын
Band schader besser als wie scheis 4er aber Wurm schader oder seiden schader sind au dau gurt aber die 4er sind so schlecht
@gezwungenernick38884 жыл бұрын
...so wie dein deutsch....
@Christoph-Wilhelm_Rieckmann4 жыл бұрын
Herrje noch eins! *Schwader, Seitenschwader, Bandschwader* Und lern Deutsch, oder eine andere Sprache, aber dafür richtig!
@davidgrunbauer66314 жыл бұрын
Sie sind anscheinend noch nie mit einem Vierkreiselschwader gefahren. Mit einen 4Kreisel hat man eine gute Flächenleistung und kommt im hängigen Gebiet besser zurecht, als mit einen Seitenschwader, da man mit einem mittelschwader Tal Abwärts einen fertigen Schwad produziert. Mit einem seitenschwader muss man den Berg wieder rauf, was Narbenschäden verursacht.
@Suber1404 жыл бұрын
@ David Grünbauer... Sind eure Flächen so schmall, oder schwadet ihr nur den Berg runter??
@davidgrunbauer66314 жыл бұрын
@@Suber140 unsere Flächen liegen im Gelände. Wenn nötigt, fährt man die nicht ganz so steile Seite rauf und die steile Seite wieder runter.
@daspicsman3 жыл бұрын
Which one has the fewest moving parts?
@lordmg2068 Жыл бұрын
Surprisingly the merger.
@MoelleragrarmarketingDe4 жыл бұрын
Cooles Video! Hier siehst du, wie sich der Kauf des Bandschwaders rechnet: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIOuYZ2Zr8-ZsK8