Voluntary Extinction

[@chevered1965]

I like how solar sands went from reviewing terrible art from deviantart to talks about existentialism

[@MrMiloslazz]

the natural progression

[@blankspotato7848]

I mean........

[@nemtudom9217]

it s much better

[@cartoonfantasy4541]

Yes

[@soupoup]

Deviantart does that to a person.

[@deliriousloli1106]

When did Solar Sands go from looking at minion porn to talking about how to end all human suffering?

[@Gooby5400]

Cause and effect

[@soursugar4867]

To be fair, seeing that does drive at least some existentialism in a person

[@FourOf92000]

I think you answered your own question

[@dubioustheatreyt8096]

I think the dip happened some time after his first Liminal Spaces video.

[@cookiecat8140]

Idk but i like his new videos

[@roboiago]

People here wondering how we went from deviant art to this when it absolutely makes perfect sense to me. Have you even been to deviant art.

[@fireredtheredfire1050]

Yes and i aint going back there.

[@Irisverse]

Is the implication here that browsing Deviantart makes you want humanity to die out?

[@quirinoguy8665]

I've been there and still go back from time to time, I tend to just wish we'd be hit by a meteor shower that can wipe us out.

[@july7498]

@@Irisverse Yes

[@papaainsl3705]

All of this just now does makes sense in this century. We are slowly dying out now . I wish something will kill me when everyone dear to me is gone.

[@mobiuscat-h3e]

SolSands: "people tend to remember good more than the bad..." Me: i think you got it backwards buddy SolSands: "people who are mentally healthy" Me: Ah. I see.

[@Cup0fTea44]

😂😂

[@TnupdegSupt]

This is a real "oh..." moment.

[@matthewingerson]

Yup. The lucky, oblivious people who haven't endured the bad things -- such as neglect and solitude, abuse and violence, barbarism and torture, and blatant hatred -- are the people who remember the good things more than the bad things. These lucky, oblivious people are the ones who are the quickest to (a)denigrate the character of, (b)diminish the experiences of, and (c)justify the bad things that happen to, the unlucky people who had to endure the bad things. As an anti-natalist Christian, I don't want to wish bad things upon anyone. But I pray that the lucky, oblivious people come to experience the bad things -- that they find themselves immersed in the depths of suffering -- to the extent that takes to force their hearts and minds into compassion and empathy.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

@@matthewingerson What a bingo "The lucky, oblivious" - "(a)denigrate the character of" "who haven't endured the bad things" - "(b)diminish the experiences of" "I pray that the lucky, oblivious people come to experience the bad things" - "(c)justify the bad things that happen to"

[@indridcold8433]

I think the reference may have been made for our grandparent's era. Today, if one does not remember the negative, we would be destined for a very short life. There will also be little left to remember. The putrefication of humanity has made it essential the remaining good people must remember the negative to simply survive.

[@grandmatrain1352]

"The luxuries of a modern life." Shows some weird hotdogs.

[@noobnoob8922]

I suppose hot dogs don't exist in war torn countries

[@brad6220]

@@noobnoob8922 I mean probably not that many

[@Sodasaman]

@@brad6220 but at least a few, like 12, would probably exist in war torn countries.

[@Diwasho]

I live in a third world and I haven't had a hot dog since the 90's.

[@littlebearoverlook]

@@Diwasho There's more than one world?

[@alexandermacdonald912]

I enjoy the fact that Spongebob has become the embodiment of optimism.

[@SomeGuyHowGoesIt]

commanda dater

[@GhostySweep]

and squid is nihilism

[@ore9668]

Vandilism

[@mynamejeff2006]

and he has NO KIDS

[@fullmetaltheorist]

@@mynamejeff2006 OK just asking but how old is spongebob? He acts like a kid but he has a job and a house like an adult.

[@jello4835]

Solar Sands 2017: "haha look at this wild inflation fetish art" Solar Sands 2021: "what if we just like, let humanity die out"

[@hibiscus_utube]

I mean... after seeing that stuff who wouldn't want humanity to die out

[@Lord_Of_Aether]

@@hibiscus_utube The weird people who look at that stuff.

[@animasuper1343]

the duality of mankind

[@RacingSnails64]

i see a direct cause and effect lol

[@RoninCatholic]

It's not what I signed up for and has become worse than the hilarious fetish art ever was.

[@user-by7to8xj2e]

The concept of anti-natalism is fascinating to me, but the majority of people online seem to only be interested in shitting on other people's joy with children if anything. You were right about the subreddit edit: after letting this comment simmer for a year and replies still come in all the time I have concluded that both sides of the coin in this discussion are equally as pretentious

[@amrsherif3409]

i think having children is inherently selfish...would i do it? probably but that makes me selfish too and that's ok so i think u can understand why people kinda shit on people not realizing that what they're doing is at the end of the day selfish

[@thegrandnil764]

@@amrsherif3409 Having children is inherently unselfish, you are sacraficing time, food, and money, for something that you get nothing material back.

[@amrsherif3409]

@@thegrandnil764 you have a child for your own pleasure its not like you have a child for his own sake no its for yours and you get at least 10 years of unconditional love and they take care of you when you get old and for all these pros you birth a slave for capitalism who'll work all his life and statistically he will get depressed in one phase of his life if not more oh and dont let me talk about what happens if your poor he'll live a miserable miserable life the middle ground is you can say its morally grey you cant say its unselfish you know whats the definition of unselfishness? Adoption.

[@ColoringAHouse]

@@amrsherif3409 They'll be depressed if they have you as their parental figure that's for sure, go outside, talk with people.

[@amrsherif3409]

@@ColoringAHouse that's common sense tho im not at a place in my life where i should have a child something most people dont take into consideration

[@letmetakeajormungandrattha8591]

Honestly, it's fair that he'd start discussing death after all of that DeviantArt stuff he went through.

[@ChucksSAF]

Deviantart does some wacky shit to a man

[@lemonpie_vanilla]

Lmao 💀

[@dementedtomato4485]

@@lemonpie_vanilla I've been seeing that guy in your profile picture everywhere where is he from? Is he from a manga or anime? Or is he just a character the internet made up

[@dementedtomato4485]

@@heroicdesire7971 you are amazing. I hope tonight when you go to bed both sides of your pillows are cold.

[@AngelaMerici12]

God!! 😂 I made a similar comment!! 🤣😂😂 Deviant Art's aside effects.

[@tind33p]

“The story so far: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” -Douglas Adams

[@catlover3296]

This comment has been approved by the people of Afganistan!

[@Multitudes-e5n]

Best opening lines of a book in history. Douglas Adams was one of the best writers of all time.

[@pazmiki77]

@@Multitudes-e5n Man's a legend in tens of different languages

[@FreshTillDeath56]

Oh no, not again! :)

[@Pluras]

Absolutely love THGTTU

[@saacattaac007]

Y’all remember when Solar Sands did stuff like, “terrible Cuphead OCs”

[@natlynxjrgensen3452]

Ikr? I just remember watching him a couple of years ago talking about bad art and furries and here I am now questioning everything about life after watching his videos

[@elsenseidelaregla3417]

@@natlynxjrgensen3452 i think is legit :V

[@caroline6218]

Yeah lmao!

[@cristina.valencia]

i want him to make more browsing deviantart :((

[@L0rdOfThePies]

I prefer this turn, it feels less cruel and overbearing to discuss these things

[@DZ60]

Modern man thinks too much, so much so that he will think himself out of existence.

[@TheCoolerBrother]

Because the modern man has no choice

[@AngelaMerici12]

This is where you end up by just looking at art on deviant art.

[@hi.241]

Lol

[@twixter0]

*voring*

[@sire8677]

Dont do Deviantart kids!

[@XylHamu-UraniumPuppy]

lmao

[@mephone4irl]

deviantart is dangerous

[@bananaman7433]

2019: haha funny art 2021: should everyone die?

[@sovietunion7643]

This is more or less my entire life right here sine 2019

[@merikijiya13]

Quite the evolution.

[@LazyLoonz]

Edgy year

[@hassanbeydoun2460]

OPs comment could also be referring to life before/after the COVID-19 pandemic lol

[@Zikeal-d4l]

@@LazyLoonz Not to sound edgy but; Dinosaurs have been on earth for about 165 million years and humans have been here for only 300,000. It is more likely for us to be extinct before anything interesting happens. But Of course if we lasted longer than dinosaurs if we somehow managed to trust and be loyal to eachother for more than 165 *million* years we might actually have a chance to start a better and stronger species without us ever having to be brutally burnt out of existence :)

[@RiverdudeCovers]

Alright Zeke Jaeger, didn’t think you’d use KZbin to promote your Eldian extinction plan but pop off I guess

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Lol. He probably paid this guy to make the video.

[@toxin1662]

I'm caught up, but there could be others that aren't. Warn for spoilers.

[@kaiba9494]

I've been looking for this comment

[@bch7905]

I literally said this out loud and sought this comment out thank you lmaoooo

[@Passione_Offical_Channel]

didn't think you would be here

[@ManiacalReflection]

This is an incredible video essay. You provide an amazing, unbiased outlook, something which is rare for videos on this topic. New sub!

[@JediPlays0309]

Just judging by the intro you think about this a lot.....

[@bobelnr.2226]

._____.

[@BrandOops1]

Why are u everywhere?

[@Jhei122]

Don’t

[@beeeean]

Zeke Yeager

[@SMN9a]

Yeah I have been thinking about it for a while

[@The-Autistic-Rat]

"Death solves all problems; no man, no problem" - Ryan from Ryan's Toy Review

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

I really struggle to see how so many have this implicit idea that they're somehow going to be present to enjoy this problem-free state of non-being. There's a big difference between having something that's perfect and not having anything at all.

[@miscl_anon]

@@davidschaftenaar6530 I think the idea is that existence is suffering. if you don't exist, you don't suffer.

[@ilovemydog8825]

Why are we ignoring the “Ryan from Ryan’s Toy Review”

[@Iwillpostoneday]

Ryan from Ryan's toy review from supermega?

[@reginaldokeke8354]

Wasn't it Stalin who said this?

[@antiskeii2616]

"If it was up to me, I would have chosen to be never been born, but, I do not wish to die, because I was born into this world!" - Willy Tybur

[@manuelcorrea8828]

Ah yes a man of Quality

[@dnflrz7926]

But I wouldn’t mind being born again if it meant I could play catch with you once more

[@Tethloach1]

If I over think it too much I end up feeling the same way. Just don't over think it and you will be fine.

[@peap1610]

@@Tethloach1 that could work with people who arent depressed i guess but when you wake up and the first thing you feel is dread then no it wont work

[@Tethloach1]

@@peap1610 I did go through deep dark depression, I made some recovery. depression is complex and anything might help a bit, but it comes down to if the person has any internal strength left. I still had some strength left to survive the so called dread, my will power was great, because I still held on to some hope. The overthinking wasn't helping at all in fact it was making things worse or harder because, life is absurd and trying to reconcile that was hopeless drowning in depression, and anxiety. If the person can be helped and they have any strength left than anything may help.

[@sloth6480]

I once joined a child free group. All they did was shame children and "breeders" who were lost and if you came out in their defense they called you a closet breeder or spy. 🙄 The group as a whole is toxic but the individuals I've met personally who are child free or anti natialist are awesome and respect all life. 😊

[@barbiegirl8040]

i'll probably never get children myself but that just sounds like a group of extremely sad people

[@jnmxxxxxxx8948]

There's a difference between antinatalists and child free. I dream of adopting once I have my resources and I view most of AN ideas as logic. Children are awesome!

[@AD-lh3jk]

Yeah seeing the clips here of cringe r/antinatalism post is disappointing although from personal experience shouldn’t be surprising anymore This kind of philosophy has finer levels of critical nuances that’s been elaborated on this video, that your an person is less likely to think about. Unfortunately while the notion itself bears great moral & ethical questions into the forefront, it’s also quite counter cultural & perhaps biologically “unnatural”. Hence there are less spaces for greater discussion & exploration of these questions & notions, and the few that does exist becomes this circle of commiseration & gripe, perhaps because of how few these circles exist in comparison to the majority (hence how predominant the majority is) I see something similar with atheist/agnostic groups going beyond more valid/sound intellectual & ethical criticism and going lower into spite & intolerance, as it may be an act of externalizing their personal gripe/misfortunes into situations of pseudo projection. This was especially the case back when those ideas & secularism was less popular, or in my personal case, where it still actually is quite controversial there were a lot of instances of violence & harm caused by having these subversive beliefs. Though somewhat fortunately, with time, the people I knew in this circle starts to learn & grow out of that reactive & spiteful kind of thinking People, once they made up their mind, unfortunately often thinks that their conclusion is the correct one without room for tolerating differences, especially when that difference is a lot more shades apart than what they believe & when those other beliefs have mounting social support and hence pressure against their own belief I think these factors (limited counterculture space, relatively recent school of thought, & stark contrast with majority) contributes to the “extremization” of these spaces. But it might also be that the people drawn into this line of thinking & social spaces have a lot of mental & personal baggage that contributed to the appeal of this line of thinking, and inadvertently mixes up the two (their personal misgivings vs the ethical & moral argument). Which on the one hand is understandable because I went through a similar process, but it might also be a greater sign that these people (myself included) and society in general are suffering from a significant mental health & wellbeing issue regardless of whether or not we believe in anti-natalism

[@pirupami9746]

Look up James Scotmore

[@pirupami9746]

groups are cringe

[@cjp3033]

Speaking about eternal damnation and suffering Shows image of mild back-pain

[@matheussanthiago9685]

ah yes, the π of the pain scale low but never-ending

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Is he wrong tho? NO. HE IS NOT I speak as someone with back-pain It is Eternal damnation and suffering.

[@radiokunio3738]

This is odd for my as a masochist, there are certain things like stress which are never enjoyable, but certain types of pain can be calming, i feel a lot of joy we gain comes from over coming struggles we face in life.

[@ClayDress]

You’re clearly under 35.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@ClayDress ... my back pain started when I was 16 so maybe Dont go by age? Backs just fucking suck.

[@ananastudio]

_Voluntary Extinction_ could be the title for a kick-ass Death Metal song

[@sketchysquiggle5602]

good name for a band

[@monbub]

I'm not suicidal, it's just _voluntary extinction_ 😎

[@ananastudio]

@@monbub the average virgin suicidal fan vs the average _voluntary extinction_ enjoyer

[@MonkeyxKing03]

there's a few metal songs called "voluntary extinction" and "voluntary human extinction" if you search it. some of the bands names are Ringworm, C.H.E.W., and Removalist. the songs are pretty kickin I just listened to them

[@GhERM2SOIED72]

Self Immolate by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. Thrashy goodness. The whole album is fantastic.

[@Angel_Bob_]

Forgot how old this video is, but it's still so well done! I adore the unapologetic commitment to reasoning out the whole issue in plain terms. "We're talking about this, actually discussing it and those who are scoffing already are about to get really uncomfortable by the amount of sound logic I'll be using."

[@roadent217]

The logic, at least as presented in the video, isn't really that sound. Anti-natalism tries to pick apart the level of philosophical foundation that it itself wants to rely upon. For example: inflicting suffering is bad - why? Violating consent is bad - why? Defying one's survival instinct is bad - why? Giving birth is a morally wrong - why? Maybe David Benatar digs into that in his book more thoroughly, but this video left me unimpressed.

[@valerietaylor9615]

I was impressed.

[@tegxi]

this video has stuck with me precisely because of how strange the logic is. if you can expect a life to be 60% pleasure, 40% pain, it is a net good. but this antinatalism puts the world entirely into the perspective of how much harm procreating is doing. the absence of pleasure may be neutral, and the absence of pain may be positive, but nonetheless a lot of pleasure and a little pain is better than neutral. This is, naturally, disregarded. It's a theoretically utilitarian philosophy Antinatalism, then, only *actually* makes logical sense if one assumes any new life is going to be more negative than positive, and that the potential near-eternal future of humanity will yield, on average, lives that are more negative than positive. And that *is* just pessimism. Solar sands suggests that a future where all the positive experiences of humanity outweigh past negative ones to be incredibly optimistic, but it just has to be better on average. A lot of lives are there already. Unless, of course, you go with all the minor pains and discomforts leading every life to be way worse than we think. I also disagree with this. I think pleasure and pain are utterly subjective experiences, and to disregard subjectivity, to add up every tiny pain and say "see that's a lot!" is foolish. They do not add up to more than any pleasure could provide; since these things are subjective, by comparison to a minor soreness for a few minutes the joy of a beautiful painting is not just a few times larger, it is magnitudes larger. Also, he seems to imply anti-natalism dodges the problem of tons of bad lives being better than a good few positive ones because of total good, but it doesn't dodge it at all! It just does the same thing but for pain! A literal utopia where everyones needs and wants are met for billions is a worse situation, in the view of this philosophy, than one depressed guy. Because one depressed guy is way less suffering than all the mild discomforts of billions! Solar sands frames this as like a philosophical truth, a sneaky but rational idea hidden behind practical impossibility. It just... isn't rational. It's pessimistic.

[@AnalyticalSentient]

@@roadent217 My channel contains a bit more elaboration

[@AnalyticalSentient]

@tegxi "I think pain and pleasure are _utterly_ subjective experiences" hence (probably) the crumbly crux of your conclusion. Some of my videos hit on this, such as my "TJ Kirk, Inmendham, Nihilism," my "Hiatus Update II," and most recent "Why Antinatalism (2024)" videos but also some others, and I'll be doing more content on the matter moving forward because it's false but nonetheless a point of confusion time and time again over the years I've listened to, read and argued with (what I perhaps pejoratively, but I would argue, aptly, refer to as) "denialist nihilists" - or 'subjectivists,' 'existentialists,' absurdists,' whatever someone would self-describe as (or not) - the (il)logic of that statement functionally entails value nihilism. If you like, I can provide a dedicated video response to this comment of yours but again, I have addressed its basic claim a number of times, as can be verified via videos I've uploaded (obviously not going to expect you to scour comments sections of videos on other channels, wherein the vast bulk of my historical argumentation actually resides re: nihilism, subjectivity vs objectivity concerning qualia, and so on) Sentio-centric AN, properly described, is just brutally realistic (despite many ANs as overtly or _overly_ pessimistic), and certainly rational. My channel covers more elaboration on that and a more complete model...an on-going effort though because the psychological friction to anything in the ballpark or even 'solar' system of these type ideas, is unsurprisingly, tremendous

[@derpynoivern4815]

There’d be one guy who just couldn’t stop pounding it out.

[@OrcaPlushie]

This is one of those top tier jokes that nobody can top and so everyone just likes it silently instead.

[@andrewsigler7437]

This was addressed in the video.

[@EspeonMistress00]

Sex is not considered evil in this ideology. Not using contraceptives is.

[@derpynoivern4815]

@@EspeonMistress00 Oh I know, just a yolk.

[@merikijiya13]

That guy is on a mission.

[@Kimosabes2hot]

No force in creation can kill me. Not until Solar Sands makes a Tumblr Video.

[@fluffynator6222]

I've come to love the site after Tumblr readings popped up in my recommendations.

[@Fisinocean]

Exactly.

[@Cairo40000]

Meh more like Twitter. Tumblr has gotten a bit more chill now since the great raid. Almost all the oppression screamers, man haters, and weirdos moved to Twitter

[@t.n.21]

I think tumblr is the best social media platform

[@twoozyuzi2215]

@@t.n.21 same, mosty because no one is really popular since you can't see their account following and it's just a horrible site to argue with someone online. I swear I realized someone @ed me 4 months later

[@sorurus7552]

Solar Sands 2016: "Haha let's browse DeviantArt and see what weird stuff we find" Solar Sands 2021:

[@trolledfrog678]

Its now "I'm 14 and this is deep"

[@forsaken696]

@@trolledfrog678 was, you mean

[@dudewheresmycar4203]

Coincidence? I think not!

[@davemccage7918]

I have always imagined that in hundreds of years from now people in the future will wonder how bad it must have sucked to waste a third of your life laying in bed unconscious.

[@scratcho.9980]

Or maybe in the future they'll wonder how did we manage to possibly bare the suffering of being awake during 2/3rds of our life, and they'll make something something like a Matrix where people can choose to go to sleep into and live a happy dream life forever until death.

[@AveryTare]

How about spending nearly a third of your waking life working? Doing something you have no interest or stakes in, for people you don't care about you, just to buy things that you either need to survive or are fooled by those same people that don't care about you into wanting?

[@sashhhaa4874]

@@AveryTarehopefully capitalism ends in the future… and in my lifetime 😓

[@safir2241]

sleeping is essential biology and i find myself irritated by people who factor it out as meaningless time wasted. your brain is a vastly complicated computer and bioregulator with very gentle self repairing procedures. Also. Sleeping rocks and dreams are an essential part of learning. I mean, maybe people in the future invent a way to forego sleep, and good for them, but you or I are in no position to spit on such an essential and beautiful mechanism which keeps the program running

[@davemccage7918]

@@safir2241 The importance of sleep is not lost on me, however if I wish that I was able to obtain all the benefits of sleep in just 2hrs rather than 8hrs. Regardless of what future technology could provide, I believe being awake 24/7 wouldn’t be desirable as all the days blend together in a weird loop. Sleep probably will always be part of the human experience; however, life is painfully short and there’s so much out there to explore and achieve. Regardless of the unique and whimsical nature of dreams, I’d rather spend that time with my actual kids & wife.

[@bocodamondo]

i knew i would find some Zeke mentions in the comments lol

[@depokelink]

Same here bro

[@gregmill5064]

www.roblox.com/games/6646658252/McDonalds-Obby-200-Super-Fun

[@Bradious]

My man, when are you gonna start posting again?

[@zedium3280]

@@gregmill5064 bro what

[@fartbasket92]

@@gregmill5064this isn't 2016 lol

[@teamupleft7097]

"Our lives may be considerably more bad than we believe" Cue the unskippable targeted ad

[@ars85202]

Download youtube vanced on your phone and an adblock on your computer ;)

[@AverageAlien]

bullshit, it's all in your head, if you want it to be bad, it will be bad

[@dexei3150]

@@ars85202 If only it existed on iOS

[@ars85202]

@@dexei3150 F

[@TheTruthContestt]

I WAS LITERALLY READING YOUR COMMENT AND THE AD CAME UP 😂

[@tweetyboid7424]

You've been getting pretty philosophical lately and I keep enjoying it, keep it up

[@El-s]

I started seeing him when he has a devianart Chanel, things change

[@tweetyboid7424]

@@El-s Yeah those are my favorites

[@ezraboren2069]

Eat your cereal

[@therealojsimpson8506]

Yeah it’s really entertaining

[@tweetyboid7424]

@@ezraboren2069 I always do

[@1833-j4g]

24:08 I *strongly* believe that parenting licenses should exist because child abuse is so common

[@tinyoz]

Its funny cause even in the bible. The scriptures do encourage people to adopt and that its a blessing if you do take care of others. This topic really is interesting!

[@user-rf4vc7mt4d]

Dude I remember thinking of some edge-case scenarios as a kid, and they tend to turn out to be legit philosophy topics. Like this one or Solipsism. It's trippy to see these ideas being seriously discussed lol

[@Bored-su5op]

@@user-rf4vc7mt4d you are human bro, we think a lot.

[@italucenaz]

@@Bored-su5op i litterally cannot read your comment in mobile

[@impmadness]

same book that encourages to dash your infants to the rocks

[@duskflower8825]

​@@impmadness That was a poem coming from a place of grief and rage against conquerers (the Babylonians) that subjugated the poet's people and, yes, murdered their babies. One thing that's important to understand about the Bible is that it captures the whole range of the human experience and emotion. That verse is the poet essentially wishing justice upon the oppressors of his people in the rawest possible terms ("may they suffer the same atrocities they inflicted on us"). Psalm 137 is a heartwrenching piece from an enslaved people who witnessed their home razed to the ground and people massacred. The Book of Psalms is filled with similar pieces, some even seeming blasphemous, because as a whole it captures all human emotion with unflinching honesty. The Bible doesn't patronize; there's not tidy little footnotes saying "he's just really sad - don't go kill children". You have to interpret it in light of history, culture, literary form (in this case, a poem), author, and setting.

[@liam2988]

This channel is the definition of character development

[@gensischosen251]

yea same he when from Bad cringey art reviews to this

[@ileanabriannemari]

Its like a sauting sumn yknow what i mean

[@mur1525]

I subscribed to him when he reviewed Deviantart fetish cringe

[@liam2988]

@@mur1525 same, that was quite a time

[@pibbiumgaminghd]

same with lemmino, went from making top 10 rage comics videos to full-blown documentaries

[@siawsebastian9089]

Later in the future: A.I. suing creator for bringing it existencial pain for being tasked for coming up with stupid Light Novel names.

[@someoneoutthere3232]

The A.I. is right though-

[@ItsNullAndVoid]

I watched that video.

[@modernamusement5853]

I wouldn't be surprised if something like this actually happened.

[@hanialis7704]

trash bot-

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

@Ggnkrsfkoqxbk Isn't that second one a real series?

[@Ectoplasm99999]

It's goddamn creepy when people keep repeating these quotes "life is beautiful", "life is gift", "you should be grateful" like a broken record. It's like they are brainwashed from the core.

[@lethweiblackbelt]

All about perspective. There’s people that live a happy life and enjoy their time on earth. Unlike you

[@Ectoplasm99999]

@@lethweiblackbelt 👍

[@lethweiblackbelt]

@@Ectoplasm99999 But thumbs up means positivity? How can you hate humans and be positive?

[@nono-gi1mz]

iam14andthisisdeep

[@existentialbaby]

life is a gift😂😂😂 yep it sure is - larry from his mother's basement agrees

[@JDsVarietyChannel]

"Questioning everything is an essential part of critical thinking" Certainly your best line of the video. I was always that kid that drove the "do as I say" adults nuts. Haha. Some things never change. Here I am watching a video about antinatalism on KZbin and enjoying the discussion. =P

[@jerrym1218]

Exactly!! Because solar is a good person that actually explores many things, ideas, myths and other things and doesn’t show any bias over one of those things that he explores. He just explains it all to us and we all have civil discussions about them. Civil discussions are terribly lacking in today’s society, you can’t talk about anything without being targeted and called horrible names, just for bringing up the subject and talking about it. As for antinatalism, I could just imagine how incredibly depressing, historic and unimaginable it would be to see all the remaining human beings slowly die off around you, and then finally be the final human being left alive on the planet, after you watched the last human that you knew die, the thought of now being all alone in a barren wasteland that was once a major city in a former first world country. Would that person just kill themselves right there on the spot to save themselves the torture, or would they actually enjoy the time that they have left until it is their time to join the human race in the afterlife. So many thoughts go through my mind on how that would actually play out, and it’s a very scary thing to think about, because once we are gone, are we really gone?? Do we come back somewhere else, as someone else, somewhere in time’s flow?? Do we become a different being entirely?? Or most horrifyingly that’s it?? Endless nothingness of darkness with no light or sound anywhere forever?? The meaning of life and afterlife surely is a fascinating thing.

[@elegantcat1496]

Yes, probably the best takeaway from the video is the invitation to critical thinking. I personally can't find myself in agreement with antinatalism but it does shine a light on a lot of problems both phylosophical and practical which I always thought needed to be addressed. Solar did a great job presenting a controversial point of view without moking it or gloryfying it.

[@kandijoneko1508]

Same, authority figures hate me because I was never satisfied with "that's just the rules" as a reason to do things.

[@10thletter40]

I personally think that the entire argument of antinatilism undervalues the social aspect of relationships, but that is just an opinion. But questioning things is good

[@cy-bernet-ix]

i'm also that kid :3 and im proud of it to be honest. questioning is ALWAYS the right thing to do, never just do what people tell you without thinking about it

[@MorganRyo]

After the end of the world, you are the only one left. You are on a beach, looking out to the sky, you can feel the heat of the sun and the beach floor beneath you. I guess you're experiencing some *existential solar sands*

[@KornLordd]

god damn it, why'd I laugh

[@antaajay5494]

Why

[@eunoiamorosis]

*m o n o k u m a*

[@shazang0]

After the end of the world, you are one of only two people left. You are on a beach, looking out to space, you can feel the heat of the LCL sea and the sand beneath you. I guess you're experiencing some Human Instrumentality.

[@KornLordd]

After watching 10 seconds of the vid, you scroll down into the comments, just to see this I guess you could say, these jokes probably disappoint our families

[@JerryFilms]

If you are a masochist then existence is a win win.

[@Umarudon]

Ayee my homie

[@picklep9812]

Just don’t be a sadist

[@NeostormXLMAX]

damn right, anyone who has enjoyed a challenging game like darksouls would know how awesome it is to survive in a grim environment. so its a win win

[@Umarudon]

@@NeostormXLMAX Dark Souls Homies Unite

[@котАрсис-р5д]

Pain and suffering is not the same thing

[@NemoSaybloo]

So glad I found this channel. I love the way that you talk about these types of topics in a very logical way, but also makes it pretty easy to follow and makes me think.

[@DBZMacky]

t. Zeke Yeager

[@HoovyMain]

And Eren Yeager

[@raosthegray7090]

@@HoovyMain lol catch up w the manga

[@raosthegray7090]

Here take this W

[@will_trap]

i was waiting for this comment

[@leonhickson494]

glad im not the only one that thought of him

[@asagud1833]

7:12 "how good do you think your life is" I am supreme existence i just ate half a baguette of garlic bread all pain previously gained and all pain to come will never match the ecstasy and joy i felt in this moment.

[@SM-qv2om]

"how good do you think your life is" well generally its bearable but at the moment not too good. I had a nightmare about the human centipede so I didn't get much sleep. I also dropped my yogurt (strawberry and banana) this morning.

[@Kuxt0r]

LMAO

[@hyperion3145]

Seize the means of garlic bread production, we can end all pain

[@filipadsiekierka5350]

Life may be full of suffering but we do have garlic bread, so it all evens out in the end

[@benjamonw-eng928]

"our lives may be considerably more bad than we believe" cuts to unskippable ad

[@MrLego3160]

@Fungo Slungo things can be wrong with your life without you knowing it.

[@MrLego3160]

@Fungo Slungo you could have liver cancer and not know it yet

[@MrLego3160]

@Fungo Slungo you don't have to be upset by something for it to make your life worse

[@MrLego3160]

@Fungo Slungo because you're slowly dying? There's more quality of life than perception

[@array2835]

@Fungo Slungo my exact thinking my dude, everything is relative as long as an AI thinks it’s alive it is. As long as a human thinks it’s happy it is. I mean our brain is the measurement regardless of environment.

[@Just_TOO_Weird]

Prof. Benatar *has* once stated that he does not have children.

[@aefers]

I actually started clapping at the line "wishing to die and wishing to have never been born are two very different things" because it's a thought I've had for so long that I could never fully grasp or put into words at the height of my depression... I didn't want to die, I still don't (I'm much better now), I simply wished it didn't have to be a question of life or death at all... I didn't want that responsibility. The world was all too big for me, and I felt like I could never process fast enough... At one point I begged my mom to put me in some kind of mental hospital where I could "get away from the world and fix myself first" because I seriously felt the world was spinning too fast, and I wanted anything but to get off it and be ignorant.

[@bstuart8186]

I don’t know what else to say other than thanks. This right hear are the words I need. It’s strange the way numbness is nicer than pleasure or pain, to sit in it is something I have always chased. People always act as if not constantly pursuing dopamine is strange. They talk about drug addicts “chasing the dragon” yet whenever some doesn’t it’s seen as something to fix. Don’t get me wrong I like to be happy, but I never seem to be able to fondly remember feeling of joy like I can remember feeling of absolute nothing (the feeling of being light) Ok, sorry for all that. Have a nice day.

[@aefers]

@@bstuart8186 No need to apologize! I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this; it's a topic that can mean so many different things to the individual which I find interesting.

[@thickumsshnikums9826]

I'm glad you're feeling better😊

[@untaterbang]

Did you find that 'mental hospital'?

[@sketchie3085]

oh my god thank you so much for saying this i’ve been struggling for this feeling since forever and it’s so hard for me to say i’m depressed because i don’t have a will to die i just wish i didn’t have to be a person and do things this was just really validating to hear bc you seriously just wrote out my thoughts

[@cocoaexists]

This guy went from browsing DevientArt to rant horrible fetishes to questioning if life and continuing it is a positive

[@aliemadi1485]

Glory to Arstotzka

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@pufflepoint it is once you see the vids in between, he really made some art when he made videos like "can you spot one object in this photo" those vids are incredible and i think after watching them it gives you more off a reason to live given how interesting everything is in this life

[@milk-ub9zo]

Character development

[@awuuwa]

is there a point to this, everyone seems to make this useless observation and comment it on the video

[@Sky_Explorer]

@@awuuwa Probably something to do with DeviantArt. It does have some questionable stuff.

[@patrickbenga634]

i love how solar sands always considers bothh sides of stories in videos like this without being rude and doing it with respect

[@laurinha2892]

Yeah, same, I wish more people could try to do this

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

Yeah although I think he should make a second part focusing on the other side as well

[@richardhobbs7360]

with respect, yes, but looking at both sides? nah, he didnt

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@@richardhobbs7360 yeah he didn't consider the other side as . much

[@richardhobbs7360]

@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 yeah, it was definitely a push for the side he agrees with more OR had spent so long learning about antinatalism forgot to do as much on anti-antinatalism

[@marvinmetellus7919]

Quantify misery and potentiel misery is a pretty tone death way to justify non existance

[@Le_dank_memez]

Deaf*

[@Wiki1184]

Not gonna lie, when I woke up today this was definitely not the discussion I thought I'd be listening to.

[@boysteacher3818]

Yeah, but although I agree with the fundamental idea that not just humans but ALL sentient beings is better of not being born in the FIRST PLACE. Do not exist in the first place = Literally no problems at all, but big bang happened and we now have all this shits to deal with.

[@crackededge9351]

@@boysteacher3818 Only the Last Man would accept such an idea. The Übermensch is not so weak, and neither are the men and women of the past. I’m not anywhere near as strong as they are, but I strive to be like them. Pessimistic nihilism is one of the main drivers of the current violence in society. Negative utilitarianism taken to such an extreme is good for no one.

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

@@boysteacher3818 genuine question: why is it easy to say that it was the big bang, and not God?

[@oliverkregor3661]

@@DiamondsRexpensive Because it is less far out. Of course, that doesn't rule out god's existence. But it is more plausible to believe that we were created out of chemicals from space.

[@gratianray2]

the antinatalism subreddit is probably like that because it's reddit, its just the nature of it You can make a subreddit about 'teaching a man to fish' and a majority of it will be people getting angry that someone decided to 'give the man a fish' instead

[@zebraaapje3320]

Seeing that subreddit left me with a bitter taste

[@alias4795]

Pretty much.

[@doctordarkness100]

@@badbad6763 its like comparing diarrhea and solid shit.

[@boygenius538_8]

Bunch of incels trying to look cool

[@zebraaapje3320]

@Hunter Smith for sure

[@moviehoofd]

Glad my parents had me, so i can watch solar sands

[@niismo.]

Make this the pinned comment pls

[@BigCroca]

one thing that's interesting to think about: if you were not born, you would literally never exist, ever. you are the result of your parents, and they created an entirely new being who thinks for themselves and views the world from their own perspective, incapable of imagining what's going on inside anyone else's world. even if time went on forever, you would never be born again. it is impossible to create the same human twice, even identical twins have differences, and are very certainly different people. the chance of your parents having found each other and having you are infinitely impossible, but also infinitely certain, at least from your point of view. because if they hadn't found each other then your point of view would never exist. you probably base all of what you experience on your own timescale, your own past experiences, but those experiences would never exist if you did not. every single thing you think is entirely in your head, and would never have been thought of if it weren't for you, at least in the way you thought of it. you are, at the most personal and most basic level, infinitely unique and infinitely rare, not based on physical appearance or attributes, but on your conscience, which nobody else has. understands or ever will have.

[@seletron8291]

That sounds like a advertisement catch phrase.

[@beamshark]

@@BigCroca I have never thought about that before. Your comment is really fascinating to me. You have a really good point as well !

[@BigCroca]

@@beamshark another way to think about it is how no matter what, you only know about someone what they choose to show, just like everyone only knows about you what you choose to show, and no matter what it stays that way because people are so individual, and so in control of themselves. think of how complex you are, all the things you know and think about and feel, and how 7,000,000,000 people are just like that, but also entirely different all around the world, and that you and nobody you know will ever even know most of them exist.

[@crunchybones3165]

I’ve always thought about this idea but couldn’t talk about because, you know people would be concerned while i’m just thinking about it on a purely philosophical level, so I’m really glad you make this video! Got a lot of weight off my shoulders haha

[@pirupami9746]

Look up James Scotmore

[@peon9584]

Being raised by a single mother, I just want to make sure I don’t birth any person that I and my spouse are not ready to raise.

[@brad6220]

Based

[@cartoonfantasy4541]

Bae

[@m.xdmcbangalter3653]

@meow purr Can't take away what doesn't exist.

[@LostPilgrim]

@meow purr There's always the potential for things to go wrong or a relationship to go sour, but some things are beyond one's foresight and control. While that specific risk could be mitigated by being vigilant to red flags and a good relationship partner, it's a risk you kind of have to take if you want to start a family. If you govern your life on possibility and not probability, you won't get much done.

[@Xylospring]

Wasn't even Wanted by Father. Only got married and had be because his Mom wouldn't stop bugging him.

[@justnoah2073]

If I was never brought into this world, I never would have seen Shrek 2, think about that.

[@orangelikered]

Halo 2

[@justnoah2073]

@Alvi Syahri 👊

[@perpetualplatypussy69]

Haha I love you

[@noname0662]

fuk shrek 2 , i just want to dissapear

[@Satan666Official]

But I love Shrek 2 :(

[@quinnyboyx]

Is only humans that think of this. Other animals just breed instinctively. It is the complexity of our own minds which is our downfall and yet the reason we can think to begin with

[@juniorjunior5884]

I think it's more the ego. Our minds are complex and designed to comfort us, we're designed to get set in our ways and find some pride in our beliefs. Humans can pick a topic as simple as existing and try to find some way to make sense of both living and dying, crafting arguments and beliefs for or against the natural lifespan just to feel some sense of satisfaction or clarity.

[@codenamesleepy5367]

Other animal are capability of conscious thinking so I’m not sure if just that Is enough to make humanity unique. We don’t even truly know what makes humans...human.

[@guestzodiacus4295]

@@codenamesleepy5367 What even is human, like for real! who decided to call us that, who decided to give us those words D:?

[@jearn11]

Animals don't have a real concept of death, let alone nonexistence. They don't know that sex leads to procreation either. Saying that anti-natalism is unnatural ignores that animals have no ability to consider, let alone enact, anti-natalist philosophy.

[@i5m5bob]

It's only a certain race that thinks like this. And they will be replaced.

[@lunarbeetlejuice9768]

The artistic choice to use parts of the Half Life 2 soundtrack in this was great, Solar. (For those who haven’t played, you should, and one of the main underlying themes of the plot is the forced sterility of the human race by an invading alien race)

[@thecoolcario9048]

Reminder, 100 sterilization credits grants non mechanical reproduction simulation.

[@miroslavblagojevic2402]

​@@thecoolcario9048 Very strong conclusion.

[@magmahotdesigns]

I’m not an anti-natalist, nor do I agree with anti-natalism but this is a really well made, thought-provoking video as always Solar Sands

[@fam3871]

idk man i keep thinking about thomas the train fanart

[@skyco5395]

@@fam3871 lmao same

[@NotFine]

@@matt-st9ox I don't think that those were arguments against anti-natalism just an assessment of some of the members of the community and he even dismissed Of course there's gonna be some toxic people

[@RossPitSharkHunter]

It definitely got me to think about anti-natalism in a more reasonable light. But I still disagree heavily with it.

[@eugenecaezarresus4305]

From yelling at people on deviant art to giving me philosophical questions, you've really evolved.

[@JJMcCullough]

Watching this video reminded me of a topic I've always been morbidly fascinated by, which is how the parents of objectively monstrous people - like school shooters and so on - reflect on their decision to procreate. Obviously, they usually deeply regret bringing that particular person into the world, often to the point of fantasizing about extremely elaborate counter-factual versions of their own life in which they didn't wind up having children. Like, "I should have never taken that job in 1978 because it resulted me in moving to Chicago which resulted in me meeting Fred who introduced me to Mary, who would become the mother of our horrible child." I guess you could say that if such people had just been converted to anti-natalism they would have both spared the world a lot of suffering through their decision to procreate, AND spared themselves a lot of mental anguish as well. Thinking about people like this makes me feel like there can be some narrow utilitarian benefit to at least SOME people being anti-natalists, even if the odds of this being an upside for the rest of us are fairly random. I guess the orthodox anti-natalists would say the fact that we all have the random capacity to produce monster-children is sufficient evidence against procreation - we're all playing a kind of procreative Russian roulette in so many ways. But the rebuttal would be that worst-case-scenarios can also be used as an argument against just about anything - eating, sleeping, moving. Though I guess the anti-natalists would then respond by saying "which is why non-existence is the only safe bet!"

[@Докторпарадокс]

that is indeed interesting and morbid argument however reverse is also true imagine that someone's future child can become next Ghandi or find cure for cancer basically become a hero and hope for people but since their parent is Anti-Natalist that won't happen which will potentially will prolong suffering yes in grand scheme of things someone else will do it but possibility exists ultimately in my opinion it comes down to parents if someone does conceive a child then they are RESPONSIBLE for them that may be a bit selfish or ignorant of me as I do not have children but I can speak on behalf of my parents as a child parenting is what makes or breaks a child as you mentioned there are school shooters and monsters but rather than shifting focus on procreation question must be asked about parenting that shooter did it for a reason maybe bullying, declining mental health or all together where were parents? they must have seen and help their child get them to Psychiatric ward or something like that but they did not and that is the result while there maybe hundred more who did not go through with it because of support from family in the end all anti-natalism arguments hinge on bad parenting in my opinion

[@wilnermidouin9497]

@@Докторпарадокс Anti-natalism hinges on suffering I believe. Life is too unpredictable that suffering is inevitable. You may be a good parent but your kid could easily be taken out by the next drunk driver. Why should they be subjected to the possible of dying with harm(both mental and physical)

[@wilnermidouin9497]

Which is why anti natalism is very strong, not to mention the problem of consent. Nobody willed themself into a life that will cause suffering.

[@wilnermidouin9497]

Excuse me for grammars errors.

[@wilnermidouin9497]

Final note: Non-existance is way better then existance or at least in my opinion as one can't suffer when they don't exist nor are they aware of existance. While it does cancels out the good of life(netrual since they don't care about the good thing in life), it cancels the bad in life(good since suffering is always bad no matter what). Existance meanwhile has both the really good and the really bad(netrual due to the good and bad cancels each other)making the score in favor of nonexistent. So if you think about it, anti-natalism is one of the most moral ideals.

[@The_Digital_Ghost]

“Some numbnuts starting a nuclear war” that phrase made my day

[@emilyvos3249]

so i never want children but even when i was a kid , i thought that if i ever wanted children once im older that i would want to adopt, i think its more important to take care of a child that is already alive and needs a family then create a new child.

[@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon]

Take care of your wife's son

[@emilyvos3249]

@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon what

[@liviwaslost]

I've always thought of adoption.

[@Ajatarra]

That’s how I felt as a kid. Made it much easier to accept the fact I’ll never conceive one naturally. Then I became an adult and screw bringing some poor life into the world today. Focus on the children here now

[@ekn_38]

@@Ajatarra With all respect, if people in Subsaharan Africa under bad conditions and in the past where people worked in factories and had no access to proper medicine produced offspring, we, living in the most technologically and medicinally advanced society,with incomparable luxury compared to the times back then, should definitely not complain about not wanting to bring life because it would be "pain" For what pain life brings it also brings joy and even the most broken spirit can be revived and made happy again and in the end shouldn't we strive to improve the world for all?

[@Lua_computa]

Just a reminder that this was made by someone who has also made a video that has “sexy gru” in the title.

[@tropicbliss1198]

"Why are we still here? Just to suffer?"

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

No according to logic there's no real reason to our existence

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@account abandoned those fucking eukaryotes the first one couldn't just have died nooo it had to make a copy of itself, hadn't it? now I have to pay to keep the government from cutting my water

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@account abandoned no there isnt a reason because the universe or anything in existance has no value because value is something humans created. yet there isnt a reason why we have shouldnt live even if things dont have value we dont have to live cause theres no reason to that but there isnt a reason to not live so i personally choose to live

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

@meow purr i guess but that should make us sad though

[@sailorquestion3229]

@meow purr Well, those cases exist, but they are not all, some people genuinely want to take care of others, the thing is that if such parents controlled the kids to never suffer any harm, wouldn't it be a harm to the freedom of their kid?

[@taskeen777]

Honestly not everyone should be parents. But people who become one are mostly the ones who don't believe this sentiment

[@annnee6818]

Yup

[@Alernategem]

solar sands is one of those guys who does a total shift in their content and just absolutely FLEX in their content creation skills. good work solar, loved you before, love your stuff now.

[@SeriousStriker]

Reminds me of LEMMiNO, who went from top 10 content to documentaries in a few years. I love it when creators do that.

[@imonymous]

Didn't Vsauce also start out with low brow content? I vaguely remember an inane video about boobs.

[@pirupami9746]

Look up James Scotmore

[@aregulargamor]

EMPlemon as well, from youtube poops to interesting documentaries about topics youd have never imagined

[@pirupami9746]

Look up Martin Butler

[@jd_kreeper]

I'm grateful I had parents that thought about the consequences of having kids. They had no idea what was going to happen 15 years later but at least they tried.

[@vortexsupernovapersonal7801]

I feel this, and lucky for you... my mom told me I shoulda have kids and marry because I would end up lonely.

[@papasscooperiaworker3649]

@@vortexsupernovapersonal7801 lmao jfc. has she at least come around?

[@Ethan-cz8xq]

We must then try to live the best lives we can so that they're right (and I do think that we can live with a net good in the end).

[@theangrydweller1002]

“How will I react if my child finds life to painful and wants to end” defending something my parents should have considered. But they didn’t and now they have me with chronic suicidal depression and thinks I’d suicide a most of the day and has attempted a few times.

[@theangrydweller1002]

And there’s really nothing I can do I try to be happy but nothing really dose so when I get a bit of happiness I keep chasing it but am usually stopped money, lack of friends, self confidence sometimes and anxiety and get really depressed and want to kill my self. Then when I try just to be content with what I have I feel unfulfilled and want to die after a wile. And if I just stew an misery I’ll go for a little longer but eventually want to kill myself

[@Name-ul8es]

I can see this video is going to be full of existential crisis edit: I have watched it and it is not that much.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

As per usual

[@MilanesaConPure]

Not so much, yes is very heavy, but life is struggle and happiness in a weird wholesome and crude way, very gray stuff but one must keep going forward. I mean, you can't go back in time and fix things (pls don't, we are going to have a shit ton of AU's).

[@purpledinosaur5118]

Mario

[@MilanesaConPure]

@@purpledinosaur5118 Wario

[@purpledinosaur5118]

@@MilanesaConPure Luigi

[@jacobshank5476]

The trouble with attempting to discredit our perception of our own quality of life is that the only thing that truly matters is our perception. What does it matter how much suffering goes unperceived? what’s the between unperceived suffering and suffering that was never experienced? Edit: I apologize for commenting before finishing the video lol. I now see that he briefly mentioned this argument later on

[@grandmasterjayd1184]

My immediate thought when clicking this video “Zeke Jeager is that you?”

[@janalana590]

I can totally imagine Zeke showing this video to hobo Eren in Liberio.

[@ConnorDrawss]

I'm happy I'm not the only one who thought that pfft, he'd love this video

[@Superbl0bby]

I got sent this video from the attack on Titan discord to explain zekes plan

[@coolbeans5911]

Ikr😂😂😂

[@rillafy7966]

Its funny the timing of this vid lol

[@yitaowang8547]

A similar sentiment is shared among the youths in China, many of them no longer want to have kids because it is so expensive to raise a child up in China

[@saoz3]

China is massively screwed in the future from a similar way of thinking. They had a huge population boom so they made the one child policy to stop over population, without realizing that it means in a few decades the population is going to decline like crazy and ruin the economy. I think this is going to be a problem in developed countries where people aren't having kids because it's too expensive, and once the old people retire the new generation will have a really hard time living.

[@backwards_in_time8430]

this is also literally happening in the us

[@ธนาเดชศุภนัทนพร]

@@saoz3 Ye

[@minitureoc9333]

@@saoz3 oh it already a promble. Many countries properly the asian type are suffering from it now. singapore, japan etc

[@saoz3]

@Shafigh Khalili yeah

[@drtanuki6326]

I love how this channel has gone from making fun of deviantart fetish art to questioning our own existence Great job Solar you're a top tier channel

[@indicimbecile6992]

That abbreviation tho

[@volieval]

Ss teir youtuber

[@tellmewhenitsover]

Solar must have discovered that one manga where the guy's fetish is menstrual fluid, and decided that humanity must be stopped.

[@willywonka3050]

Voluntary extinction is a natural response to deviantart smut

[@purplehaze2358]

"How good do you think your life is?" Awful; I sometimes find myself envying the lifestyle of a pinecone.

[@pirupami9746]

Look up James Scotmore

[@cadenwilkerson369]

2019 Solar Sands: “Look at this art! What were they thinking?!?!” 2021 Solar Sands: “What if we went extinct?” Wait I’m not on vsauce...right?”

[@samuraiskillz2184]

what an original comment

[@Starlightbooper]

"hey vsauce Michael here"

[@herm574]

I'm not at a stage in life where I have to think about having offspring, but it baffles me how adoption isn't more popular...

[@hotandslavic]

To be fair, it's a difficult and lengthy process which is what makes the rates of adoption lower. Having a child biologically doesn't require the thorough vetting process or careful planning as adoption, unfortunately (it very much should, though)

[@RockSolitude]

@@hotandslavic Idealistically yes. In practice though its a very dangerous road to go down.

[@Purpleturtlehurtler]

@@hotandslavic as Bill Waterson once said: "there aught to be a qualifying test for being a parent."

[@hotandslavic]

@@RockSolitude very true, I fear it would go down a eugenics route 😬

[@bennemann]

I think a lot of it has to do with arrogance of the parents in thinking they have oh-so-superior genes than the average of the population, or simply narcissism in wanting their children to look like themselves. There was even a movie I watched recently where the main character desperately wanted to have children, but was infertile, but didn't want to adopt because she admitted she was selfish and wanted her child to have her same eyes.

[@oweznero]

" I didn't kill them, I saved their children from suffering " - Zeke jeager

[@serg331]

Thanos makes so much more sense now

[@OneEyeShadow]

Still murder.

[@nadhifbhagawantahadiprayit975]

@@OneEyeShadow Cool motive, still murder

[@lusmiipangya-6013]

None of the children had a say if they wanted to continue life or not, and those are some messed up thoughts of Zeke, considering the thoughts presented in the video.

[@wtfimcrying]

cringe

[@DocStrange0123]

It's really pure altruism, it's just that too many people don't inform themselves well and just take the headline. Although for most, it is a greatness that surpasses them, they are so focused on being the pinnacle of existence that they are unable to see it.

[@salem42069]

The creepiest about this is there will be one last person on earth. The only one alive.

[@IaeyanElyuex]

It's not fair... There was finally time...

[@benjaminfarr4657]

@@IaeyanElyuex my glasses!

[@SenhorAlien]

Well, depending on how the end of humanity comes around, the last human might die just a microsecond after the past few thousand

[@salem42069]

@@SenhorAlien truth

[@generic840]

As it seems its only the two of us alone in this world m'lady

[@haileebrodeur7495]

Honestly I love the way he discusses things in an way that approaches all sides of an argument or idea. It's a really good way of putting things into their full perspective and making you think!!

[@Artoooooor]

I have another counterargument - suffering itself does not have to be bad. It can be part of a road to something better (for example - using Oracle programs is a part of the road to money). Or it can be a motivation to improve something and later lead to not only pleasure, but also satisfaction from achieving something.

[@narchist]

While you may believe that, whose to say your theoretical child would say the same. A lot of parents have that mindset and bring people into this world thinking they will feel the same satisfaction they do. To me every birth is bringing another player into the rat race and if that rat doesn't want to participate it is deprived of everything. Kids end up getting punished, abused, kicked out of their homes, and for what? Even kids with "good" lives aren't immune to this. I have a "good" life with a nice house and good parents and a nice school. Why is it suddenly my fault that I'm not happy?

[@-..._._-.]

This is a romantic veiw of it, look into the real depths of human suffering, and tell me those people, and children who died, "grew" from the experience, they cannot grow because they are dead, in one particular case that actually happened, a child eaten alive by dogs, that were sent on him by an angry landowner in tzarist Russia, that aside, think about war, the holocaust, the holodomor, a majority of the world's population that don't have the luxury to live in the usa or Europe, etc

[@-..._._-.]

I recommend reading the brothers karamazov, or atleast reading the chapter: rebellion.

[@endofpixel3712]

​@@-..._._-. All of the people who experienced all the horrors of the world, le gasp, decided it was worth sharing with their child. Could it be, that they have a complex view of the world that extends beyond mere pleasures of the flesh, however will I cope with these rampant selfishness?

[@adrimstyler]

I love how you talk about an uncomfortable topic in a way where no one gets offended. Very good videos! Keep going man! You have a talent for making these :)

[@AdNoctemMedia]

The very reason this channel is one of my inspirations

[@handitover.]

Very true, solar sands is a great writer and articulated his thoughts so clearly and cleanly!

[@azer4952]

Dont underestimate the power that people have to be offended by anything, one can always argue for and against any subject. I on the other hand liked this video very much

[@sierra1513]

the mere existence of antinatalism offends me

[@cilantrolime]

"Pessimists tend to be less desirable mates." Well, I guess that explains it.

[@chaseharrison2064]

Kinda hard to find women who are interested in thinking about these things, at least that's been my experience. (Edit: actually just people in general)

[@arkaua]

@@chaseharrison2064 Gee, I wonder why.

[@badbad6763]

it's a self-fulfilling prophecy!

[@skullsaintdead]

@@chaseharrison2064 I agree with your edit, hard to find *people* interested in talking about this stuff. E.g. Rust's character from True Detective & the many social norms that are crushed when you tell people there is no meaning to their lives. People get uncomfortable talking about mortality. That bringing children into a world that will try to hurt them (especially when they have no say in the matter), is selfish and cruel. When you have health issues (my mother was anorexic and both my parents are depressive), you shouldn't pro-create. I'm a chick and I've only ever found one random man at a party who was interested in this sort of stuff (I'm an atheist and absurdist and he was agnostic). I shouldn't of been born (I have chronic pain, depression, insomnia, chronic fatigue - all foreseeable due to my parents issues). I feel no contempt for my parents, but It just shouldn't of happened. Life is neither precious nor evil. It just is. Atm, I'd prefer this consciousness to death. That may change and its comforting to know there's a way out.

[@cilantrolime]

@@chaseharrison2064 Welp, I'm nigh, bi, and ready to cry.

[@figurativeride2258]

When you fall asleep in art class and wake up in philosophy class:

[@ShidoDraws]

This video just gave me a new perspective on Darling and the Franxx. That entire show illustrated that humans will always procreate even if there's a law put in place to "prevent" them from doing so.

[@pirupami9746]

Have you heard of Just Stop Oil?

[@pt_ty]

in* the

[@someguy165]

China's one child policy was...something.

[@igeeitglob3741]

I have thought something similar for a long time. I Thought "Man this sucks. Why would I bring someone into this? Why not just adopt?" I never had anything against having kids. I just thought it made more sense to help someone who was stuck in this world, then to bring someone in to this world.

[@andandrosencrantz6449]

My exact thought process haha

[@rangga7550]

Damn never thought like that

[@zinjanthropus322]

There's nothing else on t.v. , might as well play the horror game.

[@lemonpie_vanilla]

That is so so smart

[@thelemurofmadagascar9183]

I mean that's great and everything, but adoption is a considerably more difficult, painful and drawn out process than you would think. Many couples literally try for years to adopt a child and are ultimately unable to. It's not as simple as "I want to adopt a kid, and now I have one". Considering that, I don't blame people for wanting to take the simpler and easier route of just giving birth to your own child.

[@ReaverSenpai]

The Monkes are in the stone age rn, we gotta help the boys and make sure they don't suffer.

[@That_One_Xatu]

Maybe in the future they could be epic, but monkeys currently are pretty fvcked up social animals. It depends on the species, but there's plenty of in-group violence in the monkey kingdom, from infanticide, to murderrape, to ripping rival monkey's genitals off. It's super cringe tbh

[@ReaverSenpai]

@@That_One_Xatu I am sure primitive humans were very similar, we let them hash out their beefs, then we introduce them to the idea of not doing cringe things to each other (once we get there ourselves).

[@MayW15663]

Reject humanity. Return to monke.

[@Leminies]

Hopefully they turn into brutes from halo

[@midgetman4206]

@@ReaverSenpai Let them climb up, they must earn advancement as a species

[@elipetrou9308]

I’ve actually wondered about this before. I personally doubt I’ll ever have children, as I don’t want to fail them. I don’t think I would do a good job raising them.

[@ArvensisAndromeda]

same here, makes serious relationships kind of difficult though

[@apoptose1558]

Aren't these just noble excuses though?

[@elipetrou9308]

@@apoptose1558 I don’t really want kids, I suppose these are excuses but that’s just an explanation

[@salainen6850]

Very good choice!

[@chamodhimanodhya7224]

@@apoptose1558 I would rather have noble excuses than to have the mistake of bringing up children the way my parents. I'd rather help people that are currently suffering and born than to add more people to that fate.

[@cabellocorto5586]

The simple fact remains that you cannot guarantee anyone will not have a life full of tragedy. You cannot rule out that you or those close to you will not be debilitated by some accident, some disease. You cannot guarantee that anyone you know will have a quick, peaceful exit from this life. No one is better off having contracted a horrible disease that leaves them crippled, or getting their spine snapped in an automobile accident. All you can do is pretend and hope that it won't happen to you and those you love, but certainly anyone who has experienced a tragedy didn't think it could happen to them either.

[@pirupami9746]

Look up James Scotmore

[@darkengine5931]

That's true of practically everything. I can only hope when I give a homeless person a sandwich that he will not choke to death on it. It may happen and it likely has happened. We can't say all such gambling is unethical unless we deem virtually everything unethical.

[@pirupami9746]

Look up Martin Butler

[@cabellocorto5586]

@@darkengine5931 Yes. It's true of literally everything in fact. So when you make assumptions of the positive, you cannot guarantee them, so making decisions on a positive value judgement is not any more valid than making them on a negative value judgement. Except the negative value judgement asserts that suffering is bad, we do not like to suffer, and life condemns one to suffer eventually. The positive cannot be guaranteed with any certainty. The negative almost certainly can. Even if you break the odds and don't suffer, somebody else will.

[@darkengine5931]

@@cabellocorto5586 I'm not sure I agree with the notion of suffering being bad in such a simplistic way. From my perspective, suffering implies the presence of something very good and dear and valuable to the person. As an example, heartbreaks are certainly not pleasant; they can be quite devastating. And they're also guaranteed to happen for any couple who falls in love and doesn't gradually fall out of love. Even then, one is going to typically die before the other, guaranteeing that the other gets a broken heart. Yet the reason they suffer so much is because they treasured their love so much. Suffering, as I see it, is a symptom of precious things not lasting forever: hearts break, bodies wear and tear, beauty fades, lives end.

[@juicebox9465]

Imagine if this is the solution to the Fermi Paradox. All the aliens were just like "f*ck it"

[@teteteteta2548]

What if an onion news article is right and we live in the lamest part of 5r universe, thus no aliens come over

[@The_Skrongler]

Oh gosh I hope not. That would be so sad.

[@laurenttreguier5091]

The great filter is actually a species-wide midlife crisis

[@nevermore4455]

*let's not f*ck it

[@juicebox9465]

@@nevermore4455 I agree

[@cgretam1594]

If millennials who are in their early 30s can’t even afford houses or to just survive why bring another person into this world where they won’t be able to buy a house until they’re 60

[@mewletter]

even that is too optimistic. I'm guessing a lot of next gen city dwellers will be taking debts just to pay rent in Hong Kong style "cage flats" for the rest of their pitiful lives if this housing and inflation problem continues towards 22nd century.

[@ketchup5382]

if they don't like the circumstances of their lives they can simply end it. For most people living with certain amount of suffering is better than not living at all.

[@blarg2429]

@@ketchup5382 Did you even watch the video?

[@ketchup5382]

@@blarg2429 my point is that if you really believe that existing is a negative you shouldn't be just an anti-natalist you should be anti-existing. Because if you keep living you are going to continue suffering and suffering more than if you just end it.

[@blarg2429]

@@ketchup5382 I choose to exist for a number of reasons, none of which conflict with me being an anti-natalist. Your argument was rebutted in the video, so I won't waste more time than this on you, but I will say that even in the specific context of anti-natalism it's fucked up to tell people to kill themselves.

[@blightedroses2423]

I have just realized that I have an illness that could cause my spine to fuse together, so I'm kind of mad I was brought into existence. I think I personally want to continue existence, but I don't want to have children to also experience this. I think people should put more consideration into having children. Like iv know of people with a bunch of kids who didn't even want them.

[@abrahamcastaneda3814]

Sorry to hear that... you have a point though, children are no joke. They are people just like you and me, with their own thoughts, experiences, their own demons. Hell, it’s scary seeing people my own age having children so damn soon. I’m not sure if they realize how much of the rest of their lives they’re going to need to sacrifice to raise them, and that’s assuming they do...

[@petrus9067]

@@abrahamcastaneda3814 imagine deciding to have a child on a whim, just because of societal norms, not giving too much thought about it (or worse, an unplanned child) and then realize life as a parent sucks for you.. and just knowing you are gonna have to raise your kid for at least 20 years when you didn't really want to deep down.

[@emmaaguilar7820]

Ankylosing Spondylitis?

[@mikehawk2778]

I’m sorry to hear that, Fight hard, I’ll be praying for you

[@cellulardecay9520]

I had a vasectomy because I don't wanna pass on my mental illness that I inherited from my mother.

[@Todomo]

i’ve always been an antinatalist, before i even knew what it was. since a child i knew that it was so wrong and weird to have a baby when there’s so many in adoption places, like, why are people making more? it’s like breeding dogs when theres the exact same dogs in shelters ready to be loved

[@МаринаМорозова-с9в]

That's weird but it just feels right. When you love someone you instanteneously start daydreaming about family and children. I suppose I am not hte only one who was made this way (at least my close friends are the same). That's a programm inside us and it makes us feel right and good when we accomplish its aims of procreation. This feeling "feels" like this prpgram is what worth suffering. I think only ppl with somehow broken "program" can make their life anti-natalistic.

[@mirinah4719]

Even as a kid I wanted to adopt, I never saw a reason to go through all of that if there are do many babies who need homes

[@pirupami9746]

Look up James Scotmore

[@Harry11enderson]

Bc most kids that are adopted cause way too much trouble than they're worth

[@pirupami9746]

@@Harry11enderson Based.

[@pomi1298]

how interesting, this guy should make a video about Michelangelos unfinished sculptures.

[@ElementiaYT]

Ah yes, I could see such a video being extremely interesting and entertaining.

[@SM-qv2om]

do you know what happened to his hazbin hotel video?

[@petrus9067]

Are you a seer

[@l4r1n3]

AND HE DID HAHAHA!

[@lluxery]

@@SM-qv2om he deleted it

[@Chrnan6710]

3:59 Fun fact: the oldest son in the picture, Josh Duggar, has just been arrested for receipt and possession of CP

[@the_lonewonder95.mp47]

Jesus Christ

[@EthanPerales.]

Ah yes the "fun" fact

[@asimplehuman394]

That's not a fun fact at all :(

[@ploopyttt6536]

Obviously Means Club Penguin

[@SMB.1993]

I clicked on the time card and only got an unskippable ad lol.

[@tux1468]

I'm so glad that PilotRedSun is becoming more popular.

[@Cushla-np4pt]

His music is

[@SlapstickGenius23]

And the Belgograd band? They’re known for Cock N Rolla.

[@minecraftkid50978]

Right? I feel like more and more people find the honey hole every day

[@TheScrootch]

He does make very good music

[@thesuperdoge2476]

YOOOOOOO I REMEMBER SEEING HIS MUSIC HAVE LIKE 50K, THIS IS EXTREMELY GOOD NEWS, TY FOR THIS

[@piratealeks6865]

Appreciate you covering this in a fair and interesting way, thank you 💕

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

I sometimes think the only reason we don't realize just how much everyone suffers is because we evolved toward coping with it all. Think of how really salient lines from popular media end up being used humorously. Lines like, "Why are we still here? Just to suffer?" and, "I never asked for this," end up being repurposed into hilariously absurd concepts. Using a serious expression of amputee PTSD to joke about some mundane odd behavior, or putting a line about our ultimate lack of control in a situation like receiving the wrong order at a restaurant. These things are instantly adapted into humor because we understand how real they are.

[@modernamusement5853]

There is real evidence that suggests this. Or theories like "Terror Management Theory". The human brain will usually collapse upon itself mentally if face with the full brunt of reality.

[@stv10101]

It’s sad thinking about it, I remember some memes I used to crack up to but remembering them now makes me feel really depressed, such a world we live in huh?

[@Badassmcawsome009]

It's kind of a weird situation though really. Like if someone is terribly sick but they're happy with their life what are you gonna do? No you're not happy your life is terrible! If we can cope with it then how bad can it all really be.

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

@@Badassmcawsome009 That's why I've never been inspired by disabled motivational speakers. From my perspective, they are just unwittingly flaunting an ability that I don't have. When I see someone able to cope so well with my worst fears, it just makes me think about how much worse it's going to be when I finally lose use of a limb or a sense, because I just don't have whatever they have that keeps them positive and motivated. Now, Ricky Berwick on the other hand, he gives me hope. You don't get a sense of humor like that without experiencing deep, inescapable internal suffering.

[@WasatchWind]

@@Pensive_Scarlet I think an important thing to remember is that everyone in life, no matter how "priveleged" or impoverished, feels suffering of some kind. They feel self doubt. They have fears. These motivational speakers do not show the sorrow they felt in the past or that which they do now. Those who learn to enjoy life and be happy despite disabilities of all kinds did not do so because they were always like that. They learned it through a trial by fire. If there's something I've learned as I've made my first awkward steps into adulthood, it's that everyone, despite age and experience, is kind of flying by the seat of their pants. They are trying their best with what knowledge and skills they have, and hoping that it sticks. It is not what I thought as a child, that adults are just somehow better at everything, but we're all just trying to figure out how to navigate life. To me, I find that very encouraging. It can be scary for me to do things like want to date and make friends, but if I know that those people are struggling just like I am to figure things out, it helps me feel a bit more confident.

[@menjolno]

Some comment before me: when you fall asleep in art class and wake up in philosophy class.

[@boysteacher3818]

Logical conclusion

[@Sxkielecior]

why do you reposting

[@andyrajendra3103]

@@Sxkielecior probably so that we can see the content of a previous comment even if we can't find the comment. If he was just trying to get credit for it he wouldn't have added the bit in the beginning

[@alandeng027]

what a coincidence, Alan Meng

[@pokemasterx4244]

@@alandeng027 lol

[@nonusername7534]

If by bringing that person to the world you are responsible in someway of all of the pain and suffering that they will experience, then by extension you are also the reason of every single drop of joy and happines in that person's life

[@SolarSands]

Correct.

[@ancsuther]

@@SolarSands I agree

[@samuraiskillz2184]

@@SolarSands pretty epic if i do say so myself. and I do

[@nonusername7534]

@@SolarSands *Obligatory sempai notice me* I really like that you bring up topics like this, engaging with these ideas is a good oportunity to argue our own preconcive concive convictions and creat more real and less "romantic" arguments for life and other things.

[@imranmeco3393]

Yes, but unless you can ensure in some way that there will be an acceptable ratio of pleasure to suffering (acceptable by the child's standards, as these things are subjective) it's too risky a gamble, as a human life is too great a chip to lose.

[@jackdaniel3135]

It’s quite fascinating to me that the realization that suffering = life has brought me to a completely opposite philosophical conclusion. Whenever I experience suffering, but I can still function and live, those are the moments where I feel the most alive, in a good way. I don’t like it, of course, but the condition that life = suffering gives me 100% certainty that I, as one individual, exist here for a small point in time. It’s statistically amazing to me that I have a chance to exist in this weird thing we call life. Edit: “a penatalist would say that makes me astronomically unlucky.” I burst into laughter at that realization because I literally can’t dispute that. It’s all a matter of perception, and I guess I’m more of a glass half full kinda guy when it comes to this topic.

[@pirupami9746]

I wonder if that view would apply to Japan

[@psterud]

Cool comment. I can kind of understand what you're saying. Going for a long hike, with various issues on the way, then arriving at camp and setting up, and sitting around the fire with food, drink, and company, under the infinity of stars, is immensely satisfying, even though it required some suffering and even pain to get there. But you have to admit that there's something mildly masochistic about getting pleasure from suffering, even if it is in our DNA. Seems to me that there's something purely biological about the pleasure we get from our survival of/with suffering. We lifeforms have been doing it for billions of years. And I wonder if we will ever be able to escape that loop. The Buddhists have certainly been trying for a while.

[@MugenTJ]

As living being, it is counter productive to hate life. However life has evolved to consume other life among other environmental struggles. We came from that lineage, and grow increasingly aware, it becomes a burden to bear. Otherwise life itself is as neutral as being a rock worn out by erosion. In this sense the Buddhist, Taoist or Stoic achieved a philosophical neutral stand with life. Any pleasure or suffering is only temporarily. People that demonize having children seem to suffer a lot more than normal people and they can’t square out the negatives.

[@sparking023]

Well, I didn't know my 15yo banter of "I never asked to be born" had not only a proper name but an entire movement behind it. The more you know. What I get from it is: You can never lose the game if you never play it. And the counter-argument for "but you'll never win either" is to question if you are truly winning (sorry for the gamer analogy), coupled with a good siding of nihilism. It feels like one of those questions/discussions that will never reach a consensus because the opposing parties diverge on a fundamental level, in this case, their world views on life and all. I won't delve into explaining because the video already does it pretty well for both sides, so I'm on the "Life is Good" side, but I respect you if you don't agree on this.

[@EthanPerales.]

Actually a pretty good analogy

[@helboy1999]

its rare to see such well written comments that even a dumbass like me can understand them but this is defifnitly one of them. you may want to look into writing it could be a lot of fun especially for someone like you that nows how to really articulate an idea. (also sorry for the bad grammar im not a native speaker)

[@koolkiller35]

I also agree with snoopi I enjoyed your post and I kinda agree with the whole idea behind this movement

[@TheBlueWizzrobe]

And then the counter argument to questioning whether you're truly winning is asking whether never playing at all is in fact better than losing. This line of thinking doesn't really reveal anything except for just your own personal beliefs. Antinatalism makes assumptions about the nature of life, and so does pronatalism because there isn't anything we _can_ do except assume.

[@jhinthevirtuoso4886]

I'm on the life "is" side.

[@Rosey5858]

Solar Sands: Philosophical Vsauce

[@matheussanthiago9685]

so regular Vsauce

[@alexumitsuu3237]

so vsauce vsauce?

[@mr.anthonygonzales]

In some ways he's the Vsauce of art even though not all of his videos are about art

[@ornessarhithfaeron3576]

That's normal VSauce

[@tobiaskadachi]

Or is it?