Why are NFTs so Ugly?

[@awwgrassyass9857]

The whole idea behind most NFTs is that art's greatest value is how much money it can make. This might be why so many of them feel corporate and lazy.

[@sunbleachedangel]

well, thats kind of everything today "how much money can it make", videogames, art, medicine, prisons, people, EVERYTHING

[@Lenn869]

The whole idea behind most NFTs is that it´s a scam

[@MrMinecraftGamer456]

@@Lenn869 Most NFT’s don’t even store the picture behind the NFT on the blockchain. They just store a hyperlink to where that picture is on the regular internet.

[@GwyndolinOwO]

yeah, that's the biggest turnoff for me. even if i make good art and put it on there, if it doesn't have some kind of valuable rareness to it, its still worthless to the people on those sites. So often times you either need to be famous, or offer something that proves it can make money (bored apes, crypto punk ect ect). It reminds me a lot of other art circles that already exist where artists will charge a lot for their art simply because millionaires like them (you should charge a living, but I do think its possible to overcharge on purpose). It also doesn't help that as soon as NFTs got talked about, literally every company i can think of has jumped into it, so it feels more like a marketing gimmick to me at this point then a thing that helps out artists. I don't think that this is inherently bad but something just feels weird when its literally all of them doing it at pretty much the same time, trying to sell something. The last thing i want in an artist space haveing to compete with multi-million and multi-billion dollar companies. It definitely works as a marketing idea, but its for sure not fit for all types of artists. and there's also other things about i don't like but this is already long, lmao.

[@gplgs4640]

Welcome to capitalism, baby. Where art comes to die in favour of profits.

[@nickbensema3045]

i find it ironic that NFTs are supposed to be "non-fungible" so that owners can uniquely identify their token, but so many of them consist of mass-produced algorithmic art that all blends together and is meant to be sold in bulk

[@SenhorAlien]

That is a problem with the consumers, not anyone else.

[@L3X1N]

@@SenhorAlien "American politics is a problem with the voters, not anyone else." _God forbid_ someone calls the system *bad,* because it's easily exploitable! The gall! The _audacity!_

[@DoodleZoo]

@@L3X1N hammer and sickle solve all

[@mordekaihorowitz]

And there's still that issue of being able to copy or even screenshot them. "Non-fungible" my ass

[@selenium3447]

Ngl those monkey/lion nfts look like they were made with dress up apps

[@munksterrr7845]

The most simple way I’d describe the majority of NFT’s appearance is if thousands of people had the same page of a coloring book and were told they needed to make sure it was unique. Quickly, a lot of the good looking ideas get taken, so in order to make it unique, you have to make it ugly.

[@funninoriginal6054]

@@MikyleY Wasn't that what op said, though?

[@lamptowel]

the coloring book itself is shitty as well

[@Angel3x111]

i personally would compare it to some kind of dress up game from 2010

[@runakovacs4759]

@@Angel3x111 It's basically picrew art but for cishets.

[@ihateyankees3655]

@@MikyleY sure you can still make aesthetically pleasing, original art, but if you're making 10,000 slightly different variations of the same template, you're going to quickly run out of ones that don't look ugly or uncanny

[@gamesux420]

"Calling NFTs a phenomenon would be a hilarious understatement" meanwhile a year later and i hear almost nothing about NFTs or discourse around them anymore

[@catboy6451]

To call them a phenomena is wrong, they were a fad

[@ninjaydes]

It is important to recognize that the NFT market is still alive, since the environmental impact and harm to artists continues. ... but yeah, thank goodness the NFT market is not necessarily succeeding.

[@astralclub5964]

NFT’s = The pogs of the investment world!

[@donpollo3154]

Watching this after the recent news is funny

[@norwegianboyee]

It's the same category as fidget spinners. Somehow super popular for a short while and now everyone's forgotten them.

[@andre3808]

I've heard about Qinni (and several other deceased artists) having their art stolen for NFTs. It's really relevant to the topic, and illustrates the point really well. The art theft that goes on over there is so disgusting, on top of everything else, and I'm glad you included it in this video

[@iamjustkiwi]

Even worse, someone with access to Stan Lees Twitter account has been using it to push superhero NFTs. The culture around them and the ghouls who love them seriously gross me out.

[@brianthepyromancer924]

Just in someone has been making bad pixel art of deceased KZbinr etika and selling nfts of it to "commemorate him"

[@iamjustkiwi]

@@brianthepyromancer924 fucks sake. The shit people will stoop to in pursuit of money they likely don't even need is disgusting.

[@clev7989]

Legit it made me almost cry, not just the nft part but the story up to that point as well.

[@Aksen0076]

I never even heard about Qinni and such until this video, I don't participate in the art world though I am studying cyber security which crypto currency has to do with. I honestly don't understand crypto currency at all but whatever. I'm upset to hear about Qinni (I don't know if she died so) I hope she gets better somehow and that her art stops bring stolen for this damn garbage.

[@ideac.]

Honestly, the fact that someone was enough of a coward to impersonate someone who died of a terminal disease completely broke my heart Its not only an insult for her family and her, but also for everyone who supported her. Simply disappointing, crazy how people can go that low just for money.

[@AxxLAfriku]

GAGAGAGAGAGA! I will now count to 3 and then I am still the unprettiest KZbinr of all time. 1...2...3. GAGAGAGAGAGA!!! Thank you for your attention, dear ide

[@Nightmare43262]

@@AxxLAfriku I love to see you here, Lord AxxL

[@nise6699]

@@AxxLAfriku I'd say you're annoying for promoting your shit but you don't justify art thieves stealing art from a dead person and profiting them, at least not publicly.

[@paxshmitz2665]

STAN LEE WAS DONE WRONG!

[@megamaggotman7025]

@@AxxLAfriku ooooh typical axxl :)

[@Mintybird]

I personally find NFTs to be very overtly anti-artist The entire concept is about ownership and bragging rights, not about the art in question, and more often than not the people behind these projects steal the art assets used from others to make a profit, because no artist with any self respect wants to associate with it They try to claim it's the art of the future and that it's only here to help artists, but it's done a lot more harm than good in that regard already

[@mjfromjersey]

ownership is something that i think art is naturally at odds with - art is about freedom, inspiration, and often about spitting in the face of our current copyright system. Trying to make art less free and more about money is not good for artists in my opinion.

[@xxoticgaming]

When the trend started, it SOUNDED good, great even. But now it morphed into this fucking abomination that i cannot come to terms with. some of my seniors actually sell individual pieces for like 50k+ as NFT tho, so good for them i guess.

[@JoniWan77]

@@mjfromjersey True that. The copyright system was once important to enable the existence of artists in a free market and shifted power over art from the nobility (which acted as patrons) to the bourgeoisie. The internet and modern forms of art transactions like commissions or crowdfunding have enabled artists to exist beyond the necessity for copyright and shifts power away from the markets to the actual recipients of art. Especially musicians and artists are thereby freed from their extreme dependence on the good will of the market keepers, who take their power from being able to mass-produce or mass-market products and are a side-effect of the copyright system.

[@mordekaihorowitz]

@Mark O'Brien I totally agree, I think people are too obsessed with copyright law and ownership of art, especially since it's digital

[@SomniRespiratoryFlux]

Ultimately to me the fundamental issue with NFTs and crypto/blockchain in general, even beyond scams, art theft, environmental damage, toxic "communities", unregulated speculation, and all of the other negative externalities that are already enough to make me refuse to touch any of this with a twelve-foot pole, is that none of the benefits being touted hold water. Either they're things that can already be done without blockchain, things that need some shift in how things are done beyond just adding blockchain to the mix, things that are just a worse version of an existing thing, an outright falsehood that NFTs don't actually do in any measurable way, and/or things that aren't even desirable to begin with. It's all an attempt to commodify and make money off of the vague idea of ownership, a giant name-the-stars scam that even if some people can turn a profit it all comes from something even more fake than the actual economy (which is still fake, but crypto just leans into the fakeness instead of doing anything to fix it). You can't fix the problems of capitalism with more capitalism, you can't solve the issues with fiat currency by making a new fiat currency with more problems baked into it and no safeguards to prevent the issues you're claiming to avoid from just staking in at less risk of losing the investment if the new system fails than the people you claim to want to empower. Blockchain is a solution in search of a problem; crypto/NFTs invent and exaggerate problems and then completely fail to solve even the real ones they identify. It's all less than worthless, even if it fizzles out and has a negligible greater-scheme impact, because it distracts from actual attempts to solve these problems, poisons the well of further attempts that might be more altruistic in intention with the stain of an-cap idiocy, and even if we only use more "eco-friendly" crypto, it's all an energy drain that makes it harder to effectively shift the power grid to renewable resources than it already is. Just... I hate it all and I'm tired.

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

NFTs are just like going to a grocery store, getting a bunch of groceries, but all you take home is a receipt that says you bought them, and the store keeps the groceries

[@bakaneko6639]

And the groceries have no uses, and have risk of getting wiped out if the store decide to shut down

[@Numbabu]

Not even, it’s the “you wouldn’t download a car” thing. The actual good isn’t kept by the grocery store, it’s kept by everyone XD.

[@eternalnut]

As someone who loves drawing, it's really disappointing to see these low effort reskins getting so much money rather than commissions with lots of efforts

[@Lucyfer1012]

As a NFT artist. I agree. I wish there was more creative mind sets in the NFT community. That’s why I draw my NFT different and not some ugly patterns. I’m just starting out but still.

[@Lucyfer1012]

@@ConductorWeHaveAProblem can you please explain to me why? Also I want a peaceful conversation. Please don’t call me a problem if you have no idea who I am.

[@Lucyfer1012]

@@ConductorWeHaveAProblem and I ask a genuine question.

[@白キロ]

@@Lucyfer1012 Hi problem

[@kartikmalhotra1035]

@@Lucyfer1012 hi problem

[@YaburuRunyaru]

That one about Qinni was a slap across the face. It's been a wild couple of years, so I haven't been following my interests at all. I hadn't even realized she was gone. I found her back in highschool and absolutely fell in love with her art. I'm so incredibly sorry to hear this. But also absolutely disgusted by those who would use the names of the dead for a quick buck.

[@ジハ-u5k]

Qinni was such an inspiration for all artist in the 2010s im happy her name is always spoken and remembered

[@96tax]

and she was such a good digital artist, I felt my heart cracking

[@hereiampercylover]

I relate. I don't know she was dead until i saw this video and i had been following her on KZbin and Instagram for years. I can't believe it slipped passed me

[@salemcrow5078]

God, I had even forgotten it's been a couple years since she died. I never really followed her, but I recognized her work when I first heard about her death. I'd heard about the NFTs before this but didn't automatically connect the name Qinni to her, though I recognized it and suspected it was likely her. Also, her brother who now manages her artwork commented on this video.

[@cocogoat1111]

God the qinniart thing is heart breaking. I was following her twitter during her final days. Such a sweet and loving person who never gave up fighting for her life no matter how painful it got. To see the disrespect of stealing her art and trying to profit off it is disgusting. Though I know she is not the only artist that will be stolen from. Too many opportunistic scumbags trying to make a profit.

[@jusonali]

same situation here, i legit want to cry rn, remembering everything... but also seeing ppl do this.

[@paulmahoney7619]

I'd call them vultures but vultures actually are ecologically important. I'd call them body snatchers but at least body snatchers contributed to the advance of medicine. Even graverobber somehow seems too good for them

[@Moon_in_Flames]

What an absolute b***h move. Surely someone could get in legal trouble for impersonation of stuff like that. Hope whoever that guy is, gets in serious trouble. I'll be praying on their downfall.

[@bananawitchcraft]

@@paulmahoney7619 Preach

[@lardball976]

i didnt know anything about her or her art until i watched this vid and i legit want to cry rn

[@BrentWalker999]

A year later nfts and blockchain died.

[@BoxOfToasters]

Yay :D

[@claudia-uy5gk]

lol

[@Yaniv_R]

Blockchain did not die, it never dies that’s sort of the point. But yeah nft’s are nothing now

[@BrentWalker999]

@@Yaniv_R blockchain is used for nothing substantial and never will be

[@phonecert]

qinni's death absolutely SHATTERED me, as someone who had taken inspiration from her art for years, her passing completely ruined me as well as others like me. the only kind of person who would pretend to be her and make fucking nfts of her art is a monster, an absolutely vile vermin of a person. i cant believe someone would disrespect her that much, they may as well have pissed on her grave..

[@lebitelexie9350]

Trying to peddle NFTs using people who passed away should have consequences in my oppinion. How severe and harsh I leave up to debate but defiling someone's legacy this way is utterly disgusting.

[@sonetagu1337]

Y'know you could just make a tree in her grave and let it grow there (Jk thats impratical)

[@rafaelgarcia1392]

I see more negatives than positives with the misuse of this tech. Seeing despicable people across the fucking sea in a little fucking den pull this kind of shit is infuriating, the straw that broke the camels fucking back

[@KoffeeSlider]

You know, there was a scene from wall street that reminds me of all the art theft, especially stealing a well loved artist who inspired many. The guy that made the speech stated "Greed is good, greed works" and stuff like that. I guess that was the foreshadowing of the creation of nfts.

[@jigsaw2253]

Man up you 😺

[@SanderAgelink]

I think the quality of NFT art is a reflection of its intent. People don't buy NFT's because they like the art, they buy them in the hopes of selling them for a higher value. No one wants to be the last one holding onto an NFT, which causes those people to be so vocal about it online. This, in my opinion, is textbook definition of a pyramid scheme. And as an artist I see its current state more as a concern than a value.

[@rainbowcraft2694]

Someone asked me if they could sell some of my pixel art as NFTs. I said no. They said nothing after that. I'm worried they'll ignore my saying no. NFTs are an unregulated lawless wasteland and art theft is rampant. The weasels that use NFTs will use whatever asset they can get their grubby hands on to make quick money, with no respect for the buyers, the artists, or even the dead.

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

While you see this as Pyramid Scheme, I see it as Speculation.

[@WobblyBits_X]

@@JSSMVCJR2.1 It's both.

[@SanderAgelink]

​@@JSSMVCJR2.1 Whoever made the NFT art gets royalties every time their art gets sold. They need to find a few people to buy they art. Then those people need to find more people willing to buy their NFT's to sell them at a higher price. Etc, etc. "Invest in my NFT! All you need to do is find more people to sell it to and you'll be rich in no time!" Especially with the increase in fractional ownerships of NFT's, this makes it textbook definition of a pyramid scheme in my book.

[@felicien2045]

Okay, so I have one question regarding all of this. If your art isn't for sale and is uploaded online, do you have an issue with someone making it their profile picture?

[@sleepylady2723]

I like how people are able to pay 5+ etherium for a fungible ape but COMPLAIN over a 25$ art comission

[@100acatfishandwillbreakyou2]

"I'll pay you in exposure"

[@jordanloophole]

i think because that 5+ ethereum will give them more in return while that $25 commission is just an investment not an asset

[@potatomanboooi3105]

Stop giving me ideas

[@cecilenaught]

Its because they dont care about art, and especially dont care about artists. They are making an investment in themselves, and their egos.

[@potatomanboooi3105]

@@cecilenaught you can say that with traditional art.thats how a fucking red canvas can make more than a professional artist who spent years mastering the craft.lots of the people who buy them resell it for more to make a profit the next year

[@vizthex]

I fucking love how this man pulled out furry art as a good example - they're almost always really well-drawn.

[@Axl4325]

Hate to say it, but you´re right. I don´t like furry art but I have to admit it is always really high quality and it looks like people put a lot of effort into it

[@lafireteamplx3400]

@@Axl4325 it's made for zoophiles unfortunately, people want to have sex with the poor foxes

[@Coelophysis-yv9lj]

It’s a pity it’s used for such a degenerate purpose

[@WillatHastings]

@@Coelophysis-yv9lj Not all the time, but then again, it is peoples interests.

[@xthee_0nly_1x11]

@@WillatHastings Gross

[@kekero540]

I like how the concept of “rare pepes” somehow satirized NFTs before they even existed

[@beesindisguise5375]

Rare pepes were also just cooler and funnier

[@awe9217]

also their carbon footprint doesn't twist the atmosphere's balls to cause testicular torsion, so that's a plus too.

[@hellohuman9993]

@@awe9217 That is a sentence I never thought would hear

[@marianokaz1503]

@@beesindisguise5375 Just wait until they make NFTs out of them, I can guarantee they're gonna happen

[@danang5]

@@marianokaz1503 actual rare pepe collector dont want to decrease their collection rarity by making it an NFT

[@RevOwOlutionary]

My main issue with the whole "it allows digital artists to be paid for their art" angle is that it ignores one pretty major point, YOU CAN JUST PAY THEM BY COMMISSIONING THEM.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

And it has the added benefit of letting your srt be effortlessly stolen and being robbed of the money you should have gotten for it! :D

[@fromhell11112]

and its more original and cheaper,

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

Paying people for their labor =/= paying people for their art.

[@BlazingKhioneus]

@@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 what labor do you pay your artists for besides creating the sodding artV

[@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430]

@@BlazingKhioneus - The service of creating art to the client's specifications, in contrast to scarce art products that the artist doesn't have to create each and every instance of, that NFTs allow for in the digital space.

[@joshlewis5065]

The people that get NFTs are the same people that get Supreme shit. It doesn't matter how stupid it is, it's the hype and inclusiveness of it

[@kevinf8439]

I own more than 1000 NFTs, none of them are those expensive ugly apes. You have no idea what you are talking about

[@joshlewis5065]

@@kevinf8439 you just proved my point

[@kevinf8439]

Maybe try to think for yourself or at least do research. You know, you don't have to have an opinion about everything, especially if you know nothing about it.

[@croutondotnet]

@@kevinf8439 Ok, Kevin.

[@kam5944]

@@kevinf8439 is this a troll or is it someone who wasted money for some ugly picture that you can screen shot lol.

[@donpollo3154]

Coming back here after the NFT market is now completely worthless

[@Riael]

To understand NFTs, although I don't remember the author: "When I was very little, someone purchased a star for me. Like, a real star... out somewhere in the galaxy. I had a photo of the star framed on my wall, with hand written coordinates of the star's location, and a little blurb about how it belonged to me. The company that sold this "to me" no longer exists. In fact, many companies were in this business, selling stars, keeping registration of who owned what stars. There was no way of knowing if your star had already been sold to someone previously, no way to prevent it being sold again, and there was no way to physically claim your property. Virtually all of those companies are now defunct, and their ledgers are buried in the sands of time. So, anyways, enjoy your NFTs."

[@XG417]

Worst part is: You don't even know if some of those stars are even still burning out there. Could've been long dead for all we know and that "star" was simply its light from way before With these NFTs, they could be snuffed out _instantly_ - Not even leaving a trace of its existence

[@syasyaishavingfun]

Nice analogy.

[@CBRN-115]

To me, NFTs seem like an elaborate(or just blatant) scam

[@YugiMomo]

Was that from Josh Strife Hayes?

[@Riael]

@@YugiMomo Close to impossible, wouldn't be surprised if he ripped it off from somewhere else though.

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

The issue with NFTs is that they don’t do anything AND they look ugly. The value is decided pretty much arbitrarily, and there is no benefit to owning one. NFTs are an incredible technology, used for exploitation and harming the art community.

[@randomboii9166]

Yep currently there isn’t much utility in them exept as a status symbol but as we see crypto games that use nfts I think it will change for the better

[@mambaramba]

@@randomboii9166 There will be use for the technology, sure. But those tokens purchased with no real purpose in mind? Why should they gain value?

[@arrestedsolidyhe77sp]

That's not an issue. In fact, everything is like that

[@novaangle2183]

@@randomboii9166 Crypto games are just the same thing. They are quickly made cash grabs that are for idiots who buy into making money fast with their *unique* things. We already have thousands of ways to sell and buy game assets and tech without the need for nft stocks.

[@kaleilakrebs1566]

Does anyone know what the difference between and NFT and a commissioned digital art piece? Besides the fact that the commission is better in every way?

[@hatless6056]

it baffles me how people put "mass produced" and "valuable collectable" into one thing and don't see anything wrong with the idea

[@VB-92]

Fun fact. A car (The 1963 Ferrari 250 GTO) was sold for over 70 million dollars at an auction. Supposedly there are only 39 of them in existence. It makes sense, you and 38 other people own that car, no one else can ever hope to get it, and few will even be lucky enough to ever see it. So out of 8000000 only somewhere around 0.0004875% of the population, owns one. And that's only gonna grow in value the older it gets, since it surviving and being functional for that long ups the rarity even more. But of course, this isn't really about making money, unlike the pictures of apes ... it's about putting money in something where you're so rich that you can toss away 70 million on a single car. Do I think something that isn't a rare and very high quality item should reach such values? Like a coin that doesn't even exist? No, never, it should have more justification to the worth. But maybe I'm just missing that justification.

[@sankkakeiinc7855]

fr, strange times

[@CBRN-115]

It's double think from 1984

[@danielaponte4054]

Thank Fortnite for ruining a generation

[@ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12]

heck card games like pokemon and vanguard has better justifications for valuable collectibles because they actually commissions real artists to make their stuff and some even have lores and science about it. not something that are mass produced by programs just so they can earn money, atleast put some effort on making it "rare" bruh.

[@rosesforviolets]

qinni was a beautiful soul, and her art still touches me today. thank you for covering her and emphasizing how sick it is to steal others work, especially from artists who are no longer around to defend themselves.

[@chayadol]

Quinniart case really hit me to the core, she's my senior who graduated from year above us and her art really inspired my works when I was in school. I'm now working at the same studio that she used to work with (Titmouse) and they even show her thesis film on their Raffle two year ago. You know how a good and nice she is by just seeing how her passing really effect everybody I known. So when I saw those NFT. It really made my blood boiled, really put a very bad taste on my mouth and you can guarantee not just me who feel that.What a new low.

[@dazaisart2406]

right? i believe quinni inspired soooo many people in the 2010´s, theres probably no one i know who havent seen her art. i was really upset when she passed away, and seeing what theyre doing now is just utterly disgusting.

[@noelvalenzarro]

@@dazaisart2406 Did she work on a lot of adult swim shows? I remember always seeing the titmouse logo come on during the credits.

[@sunstrike2738]

@@noelvalenzarro I also work at titmouse, around the time quinni was working there we were doing a bunch of dreamworks shows. Not much Adult swim though. There was a small art exhibit that was put on at our studio after her passing

[@noelvalenzarro]

@@sunstrike2738 Yhen you’re still both probably responsible for some great stuff I’ve enjoyed. Thank you both.

[@Callaxes]

Artists like her are the only real celebrities in my life. I feel a stronger connection to people like her or Loish than anybody the media deems as being "famous". I study their artstyle and use it to develop my own. They've played a big role in my life, just by sharing their art. So, hearing that she went to the same school and worked at the same studio as you, seems a bit surreal for me, i guess famous artists are just normal people.

[@mmgmagic]

The true reason NFTs are ugly is to that it can deter people from screenshotting them, as they would then regret clogging up their storage with such vile images.

[@DragonRagovi]

As I mentioned before the original video got taken down, they're the equivalent of those flash games that allow you to design and dress up a blank figure into a character of your own, but completely lack the charm that made those types of games work in the first place.

[@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice]

@@DragonRagovi Oh, you mean dollmakers and avatar makers. I use those all the time. Yeah, I agree, it's like that, mixed with the vibe of ai generation like artbreeder.

[@pouncelygrin6699]

@@DragonRagovi woooaahh you're right it is like that, oof, times they are a changin'

[@Limacinablues]

@@DragonRagovi *RinmaruGames flashbacks*

[@EtamirTheDemiDeer]

@@Limacinablues now that’s a name I haven’t seen in years

[@scythina]

as an artist it seems truly disappointing the direction that the media takes our carrer. it simply is deappreciated, the value put into genuine work and effort overcame by masses which gained recognition, regardless of how bad they are most often. greed takes part in most projects which involve a large number of mass, but getting it to the next level ruining both something so beautiful as art and nature alike is truly ugly

[@tonyrandall3146]

That's the thing.. those in media - that is often _their_ art too. No one is actually undermining your artisticness, but because you seek some sort of other validation and reward you are liable to be victimised by that or victimise yourself by it.

[@PixelPalettes]

​@@tonyrandall3146 I get where you're coming from but besides drawing the assets for it it's just randomly generated and depending on how many there are, less work. Not to mention they're getting way more money than a small commission-taking artist gets in a year with one drawing :/

[@helloworld4990]

@@Bone_guy are you....? You do realise.....???????? You know what I'm not even gonna tell yah

[@SpectreMkTwo]

I feel bad that modern art makes people believe that people in the modern age can't make good art. I've seen so many amazing artists on Twitter and am blown away with the art people can do with modern tech. I sympathize with you and all artist. This entire monitized modern art craze is spitting on art entirely

[@Hectorogents]

As a fellow artist, I think you are missing the broader revelation. Why do you think such ugly tokens are so profitable?

[@klaatubaradanikto1490]

I almost became an NFT artist. Everything said here is absolutely true. At first, it seemed like a dream gig, and in many ways, it was. I was brought onto an up-and-coming design team and was a tad overpaid for creating small assets to fit on these UGLY, simple bases. But hey, easy money, right? The characters were "raunchy" weed-inspired mascots meant to promote brands, they looked like throwaway designs for cereal boxes, honestly. Each new piece of clothing, which were simple and never took me more than an hour to design and make, was for an above-average rate. I was happy, and the learning curve wasn't too bad as far as having a general understanding of NFTs and Photoshop goes. Everyone who was working with me was nice, until I heard about the environmental impact and spent some sleepless nights thinking about whether or not this was me selling out. Didn't feel right, didn't feel fun, didn't feel art-forward, so after a few weeks I quit. Glad I did.

[@atherissquimera5778]

i was literally looking for this to talk me out of it because i've been thinking about it lately since i had the opportunity and i kinda know it would be quick needed money but all this environmental stuff is to heavy and it make me feel so uneasy, i'm pretty sure i don't want this for my art

[@aur9035]

Glad to get the perspective of someone who didnt immediately hate nfts the second they heard about it :)

[@furthings]

PROUD AS HELL OF YOU!!

[@DHCR-core]

Speaking as an artist myself, it is a morally and creatively bankrupt field. Glad to watch the market crash and burn.

[@xona9223]

@@atherissquimera5778 I'm an NFT artist on 2 chains : one is entirely carbon neutral, the other's energy usage is the same as the average american house hold. :)

[@animegx45]

The fact that Bored Ape is genuinely the "high class" NFTs really shows how fucked up this market is.

[@sebastian2072]

they are high class because they were one of the first nft collections to be made. there is a reason. Why some things are valuable if they are ugly? bcs they are old or rare. Take any old painting that is worth millions. you dont have problem with that?

[@ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12]

@@sebastian2072 both arguments works on bored ape, its a fuckin mass produced program-made products that are not good enough for it to be sold in tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars, heck atleast commission some artists to do it like card game makers like pokemon or vanguard or gacha game companies with their hundreds of characters. however i also understand that the community stuff like the yacht club and the community system behind it is the one that makes the value of the "art", and it took a lot of effort to make the community grow. but please can't you guys atleast just pay a team of artists to make your arts? ofcourse it will cost some money but you can still profit from those arts and it will legitimize the fuckin cost of it (heck it maybe can make the value much higher than these program made stuff). program made "arts" like that is just too greedy and is putting a bad name on yourself and is like spitting at artists who hone their skills their whole lives on their craft. and by paying a whole team of artists you are also making a good contributions to society by providing more jobs to others too.

[@sebastian2072]

@@ssrbgangimaribotan6thofthe12 its not greedy, it would take years to make 10k pictures individually. Its not about the art. People are in this market to make money. People buy bored apes for 200k bcs they believe they will be in x amount of time worth y amount of money. Its not greedy. And btw ,who said that those actually good artist cant make collections. You clearly dont understand this market. Its not all about the art. You just sound stupid trying to argue about things you dont know. Why the first edition charizard is worth 200-400k dollars? Why arent u hating them? They didnt make some good art. Its a fucking printed picture on a paper that goes for hundred thousands of dollars. Go hate them. Nft is a technology thru y can finally prove ownership of something. There was no way until now to prove something that u own it. Now there is. Thru blockchain. You understand that in 10 years crypto/nfts blockchain technology will be everywhere.

[@thebandofbastards4934]

The funny thing is I don't see the Ape as being bored but more rather as something that's so dead inside it's like you are looking at the one who orginally created and spread the idea of NFT's.

[@sebastian2072]

@@thebandofbastards4934 keep hating bro. U will regret that u didnt get in sooner

[@seraaron]

The thing I don't get about the "cutting out the middleman" argument is that, when you normally buy or comission art, there is no middleman. Most artists are freelancers or self employed. On top of that, minting an NFT *creates* a middleman, because minting and trading them costs crypto. In some cases several hundred dollars worth of minting and transaction fees.

[@NJdaniels96]

These people have no idea how artists actually work and make money. They always bring up the fine art gallery system when 99% of artists don't go anywhere near it.

[@SleepyAdam]

Think they're probably talking about services like PayPal and Patreon, which have been known to screw artists over from time to time.

[@PhoebusApollo14]

I also dont get the decentralization point as a pro. Like, how is making it with little to no accountability a good thing

[@SleepyAdam]

@@PhoebusApollo14 I think ideally it would mean the art would be uncensorable, unable to be taken down if it was banned in a country that censors art. Just like torrenting tho, bad actors abuse it to the point where it's more prevalent than the people using it for good, whistleblowers, archivists, etc. Then again, artists could just make torrents of their art to make it uncensorable so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@JacobthePoshPotato]

It is a bullshit PR lie. The internet already cut out the middle man for artists.

[@RinoaL]

I don't get the obsession with ownership, or more specifically, being told you own something on their servers, as apposed to downloading it. Is it an obsession based on needing to deprive others of it? What is the reason somebody would want to pay a large sum of money so a server somewhere says they own something? To protect their "valuable" asset?

[@dirtydan2721]

Scarcity is the number one thing that decides how "valuable" something is. If there's twice as many dollars out there as there were yesterday your dollar is worth half what it was. Silver and gold were used as currency because they were rare and lasted forever. Historic paintings have value, as do paintings made by artists. There is value in scarcity and being the "first" or "only" of something, nobody denies this with original pieces of artifacts, money, or historical paintings but suddenly it doesn't make sense for NFT's?

[@planescaped]

This seems like the very definition of a fad.

[@TheRedCap30]

Human greed is so pathetic

[@puffer_frog]

@@dirtydan2721 problem is how the fuck can you create scarcity out of something intangible like digital art or an encrypted string of text leading to the image. People can right click save them and there is this guy who literally downloaded all the NFTs at that time and put them online to be downloaded for free. And 'scarcity' is a joke in the NFT space when everyone is flooding out low value crap day by day. Yes, they may be unique, but so is every piece of rock out there. They may be shaped differently and come in various sizes and weight but ultimately have little to no value. Historic paintings are valuable because of their cultural/religious/historic/emotional significance they may carry. NFTs are valuable because of speculation and the amount of money people pump into them.

[@angeldude101]

People who buy NFTs don't even really "own" the image. The image itself is just a very long number that can be copied freely. What they really own is a receipt that _says_ they own the image.

[@SpiffingNZ]

And now approximately 95% of these things are worthless. NFTs are a solution looking for a problem - all of which have already been solved in better ways.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

How ironic that Non Fungible Tokens are perhaps the least true to their name of any “token” there is. Why did I phrase it like that? Anyway, what I mean is they are NOT anywhere near true to their name.

[@LoudRevised]

Solar has re-emerged after sensing a disturbance in the force of art.

[@Sly_Fella]

True

[@xton4561]

once every new moon

[@BlueGreenGlobe]

@@xton4561 I’m gonna be that guy and say a new moon occurs every month

[@bluishwolf]

@@BlueGreenGlobe I though that was the intent. He posts videos once a month or so.

[@BlueGreenGlobe]

@@bluishwolf kind of kind of not, it’s not super inconsistent though which I’m glad for. But yea I just thought it was a *error* with the “once in a blue moon” phrase and not intentional so my bad.

[@lullaby_honeymoon5918]

As an artist, I remember when NFTs were booming, my dad told me all about it, convincing me to do NFTs because of our financial issues. I refused because it was sketchy and harmful to the art community. You can even tell that most of these NFT users are solely there for get rich quick schemes from how lifeless and effortless their ""work"" looks, as well as stealing other people's art and using dead people as product. *sigh* I strongly hope this NFT shit fades in the future, it does nothing but make a lot of struggling artists close accounts out of the stress of waking up to DeviantArt notifying them about their work being sold as an NFT for the 500th time.

[@NovaDraconis]

It will sure fade away. NFTs are a scam and scammers always find a new way to scam each other once the trend is over. This thing’s, or cult if we have to be more accurate with the definition, probably will last not for too long, even because of the environmental issue.

[@Draggobuttboi]

I know this sounds weird suggesting this on youtube of all places, but couldn't artists start filing DMCA claims to the google drive links stolen art NFT's rely on and utterly break them? All of a sudden it would be shown how truely pointless they are and NFT owners would realise that they don't actually own the art of the NFT, they didn't comission it from the artist or anything and just have a glorified image link.

[@novaangle2183]

@@Draggobuttboi Hard to fight something unregulated and skirts around the law. That's why scammers and pyramid schemes are ripe and everywhere in these things.

[@arinrxn]

im pretty sure something similar to this NFT thing happened in the past, it was a tulip bulb. this tulip bulb became very very very rare since it was "different" and "unique than other plants/flowers a.k.a making it more expensive, the people that got their hands on it would sell it with a higher price and cuz people want to get their hands on this rare and valuable thing, they buy it and sell it with a MORE higher price, rinse and repeat all of that. at the end nobody really wanted the actual tulip bulb and was buying solely for the money and ownership, but then one day the value for this tulip just goes down the hill so fast that the people that own it at that time can't do anything with it since its not that rare and valuable anymore. it was called "Tulip Mania" there is more than this, so feel free to look more about it in the wikipedia page. Also, big thanks to Venerable Bastard206 for correcting me on the item, i remembered light bulb instead of tulip bulb got them mixed up and somehow ended up with a lamp. TLDR: something similar happened in the past, and faded into thin air. history is pretty much repeating itself right now and so yes, NFT will infact fade into obscurity sooner or later.

[@lullaby_honeymoon5918]

@@arinrxn Holy shit, I did not realize something similar to NFTs occurred! Good to know that it has died down along with the fact that NFTs will die off not being valuable anymore

[@ERAeternal]

It really feels like when NFTs were first coming onto the scene, a lot of people tried to get online digital artists into doing them - it's the new hot thing! Don't you wanna get in on the trend? (I remember hearing a lot of buzz, especially on Twitter where people were trying to convince struggling artists that minting NFTs would suddenly make their art worth lots of money and make them popular.) When that failed, startup-type tech guys took over and are basically in it for the business side of things. The reason so many NFTs are so goddamn ugly is because only a really desperate or shameless artist would want to be the front for some techbro's newest scheme. Combine that with the whole thing about artists' work being stolen or minted with a fucking Twitter bot, or deceased artists' work being minted against the will of their families, or dead celebrities a la Bob Ross and Stan Lee being used to push NFTs posthumously. It really isn't about art anymore, if it ever was. The facade slipped as soon as the vast majority of digital artists gave the entire concept a big fuck-you. Basically, the version of NFTs we see now is the techbros trying to keep the concept alive when actual artists all decided they wanted nothing to do with it. It's the epitome of soulless corporate art.

[@ceasarcruz8312]

just because those uglies are most popular, doesn't really mean proper artist don't want to have anything to do with them, there's lot of artists with legit talent and skills that stayed in NFTs... I found a lot of artists I previously had no clue about because of NFTs... there's always some good to be seen...

[@ERAeternal]

@@ceasarcruz8312 I mean yeah, I was more generalizing than anything. This video alone has shown there are actually talented artists minting their own artwork, but it seems like that's the outlier. I see job listings on websites like ArtStation almost daily from companies looking for artists to make artwork for their NFTs. Basically, they put the cart before the horse, making NFTs without images to associate with them. I think that shows who's most invested in this concept. If it was REALLY about artists making their own money without a middle man, there wouldn't be so many NFT companies BECOMING middle men.

[@Cinskix]

@@ERAeternal Yeah, it's annoying to see that instead of trying to change and make the business more decentralized so it would be more fair to everyone, it still seems like its going the same exact direction, and it's about people exploiting others for the profit. And those who get the most are not the most skilled/ hard working ones, but those who are best at marketing and with most connections..and it's so clear to see that instead of helping creatives they're just using them for making more money and crippling them. And majority of people who buy it don't even do it because they appreciate the art itself, but rather because they see it as opportunity to make more money. Like..well, this one looks decent enough so maybe I'll be able to re-sell it for much more. Yet, I believe the whole concept of NFT isn't that bad, but it still lacks some things to make it more useful. They already work on an AI that will mint a token within a picture pixels so then you could scan it and get all the info about who's the owner, the history of transactions etc. So that would prevent people from stealing other people's arts since the artists ownership would be embodied into the art itself. Kind of like invisible watermark. Also , I believe it's a very nice concept that the original artist will get some % of the money Everytime their NFT is resold by others. So there's lots of good that can come out of it, but in current state it's still very chaotic and it probably need some time to develop.

[@ceasarcruz8312]

@@ERAeternal opportunists always show up when there's money to be made, I hate it too...

[@katie_cant_compute]

Yes!!

[@manguymanfellaman]

The people using the dead for money really grinds my gears. If you want money, make it yourself. DON'T USE DECEASED TO MAKE MONEY. LET THEM REST IN PEACE. When my grandfather passed in 2021, he had an open casket at the place where Bob Ross was buried. And after being there then seeing FUNKO POP NFTS completely tramples on graves of the dead and desecrates them. Fucking Disgusting.

[@TowerArcanaCrow]

These people wouldn't know decency and integrity if it bit the square in the ass

[@mjxbb1983]

I’m sorry

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Don’t care. I use John Lennon to market my work, fuck my life. I’d rather use all of the Beatles as Fucking skin puppets on stage than wind up as another fruitless slave to the system

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@@TowerArcanaCrowintegrity is doing the same thing if no one is watching. I don’t give a fuck who watches, I do what I do.

[@thomasfisher4833]

Sure, everyone can agree that using the deceased for personal profit is in bad taste, but it's hard to explain *why* it's bad, how it harms anyone. Saying "let them rest in peace", seemingly appealing to some idea of life after death, isn't a satisfying explanation for me.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

Misconception: NFT's are not "files" a majority of the time, most NFT's are hyperlinks, which means that the centralized website that is hosting the image of said NFT will one day shut down and the NFT will become a 404 error, or simply a broken link.

[@the11382]

Worse, they can pull the rug on you and simply take your NFT away. This actually happens.

[@jhonataaraujo6228]

Anyone with a basic knowledge about NFTs knows this, I don't understand why so many people keep repeating as if it's something "hidden" or unknown Most NFTs store media files in IPFS and only store the metadata on the blockchain, including the hyperlink or IPFS hash code for the files

[@walter3934]

@@jhonataaraujo6228 In the first place computers can't simply make a random number, much less random web server. We can guess what "random number" a computer will spout out. No reason to not be able to hack into "random" web servers.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

@@jhonataaraujo6228 And yet the video this comment is posted on used vocabulary that illustrated their ignorance of this fact, so it bears repeating here. Whether they knew this fact or not, they stated "associated with digital files" ANYBODY saying that an NFT is owning of a "file" of any kind is likely forgetting the fact I stated, or is obstinately omitting the quite important asterisk that people seem to forget. NFT's usually point to a hyperlink, the ones that do you do not actually own the image in any way shape or form. You own the hyperlink to that image and nothing more. The ones that are NOT hyperlinks are a bit different, checksum NFTs you don't actually own the image/file either, you own the verification OF that file. All it takes is for that file to undergo any kind of back end modification for it to be considered not yours, for the sake of art, that means that as long as I make the file slightly different enough for the numbers to match up, you hold no ownership of it. So when I right click and save as a different extension, you don't even have a way to identify that image that was stolen, as your checksum would be different or easily altered from the original without it visually changing a single pixel. The ONLY NFTs that seem to be actual ownership of an image are the files small enough to fit into the code of the NFT, so pixel art at best. But this is an outlier, pretty uncommon for NFTs to be used in this way, and while they exist, he showed an image that would be too large to encode directly into the block chain while saying this (and the content of the rest of the video) for this to be understood.

[@lookatmyfacern]

@@the11382 i forgot who did it, but im pretty sure its the EvolvedApes case right?

[@dylangergutierrez]

My biggest gripe with NFTs is the desire to create artificial scarcity. A huge reason why the internet was, and sometimes is, so cool is the lack of scarcity. But people have such rigid frameworks of ownership that they see something that can be enjoyed by everyone as an issue. It's like the opposite of Star Trek

[@drlemon7729]

Same. If you're building a 'metaverse' why would you make it possible to be poor there

[@planescaped]

Never has the phrase a "a fool and their money are easily parted" been more applicable.

[@dylangergutierrez]

@@aduantas Yep! The early internet was great because it was necessarily communistic; there was no real money to be made, so people did cool stuff for the joy of doing it. Now that it has been monopolized and commercialized, though, people see it as an extension of their current material conditions. It's turning into just another big market now.

[@dylangergutierrez]

@@drlemon7729 Because that's not how you make money on consumers of your alternate reality

[@memepolice6624]

...NFT's don't have the desire to create artificial scarcity, that's what the currency behind it wants, and it's not even artificial. The technology behind crypto ensures a finite amount. Secondly, the internet was never "necessarily communistic". It was always privately own. In order for someone to even access the internet, especially in the early days, be economically well-off to afford a computer. The money made was in the machine you purchased. Lastly, the internet STILL has the means to and continue make things without economic incentives entirely without commercialization. Just because product consumers created their own space doesn't mean that's all there is. By all means, there is nothing stopping anyone from accessing some backwoods anachronistic websites entirely void of economic benefit. PS: The ever increasing corporatization of the internet by publicly owned companies is what makes the internet "necessarily communistic" now more than ever.

[@TheOneGuy1111]

What bothers me the most about most NFTs is that they're worthless. Even if it's good art, owning it means nothing.

[@PrecociousFriand]

What bothers me most about the majority of people commenting here, is they are happy to be completely voluntarily miseducated about Crypto, NFTs and blockchain. Yet they are happy to 'cherry-pick' their opinions, presented as information, and foist it on others as if it's fact.

[@Dj4life32]

How many people are buying it is worth for some people

[@loyalty5207]

@@PrecociousFriand Hate to break it to you NFT Bro but no, the current state of 99% of NFTs are literally worthless. A Bored Ape, Lazy Lion, etc only has value the second you purchase them and then they drop to valueless until someone decides to spend money on it. A shitty computer generated jpg does not have a copyright to buy and has absolutely no intrinsic value.

[@Lycaon1765]

@@loyalty5207 nope they ain't my guy. You need to understand something, if people are paying money for it then that shit ain't worthless. It literally has worth because someone paid for it or is willing to pay for it. If a lot of people want something, such as people fighting over a rare shoe, then the worth is higher usually. That's what defines the value of something. If nobody wants it, then it is indeed worthless no matter how much money you put into producing it. The worth something has is the worth the owner or buying-public gives it. YOU yourself don't think it has value. But that's just it, that's what YOU think, that's YOUR opinion. There are other people out there who see these NFTs and say "that has value to me", and thus they have value.

[@darklazerx7913]

@@Lycaon1765 Yes but eventually that bubble will burst, because people only buy nfts cause they think they will go up in value. As soon as there is any indication that nfts will go down in value everyone will sell and nfts will be worthless.

[@Aritheberry]

13:40 dude I miss her art so much, she was my favourite artist when I was a little kid (bc I had Instagram way too early), and I followed her art and progress through my whole life, even since she had like 10k on Instagram. I actually cried when she died, it’s so gross that someone did that to her art, image and reputation.:’/

[@connerwills6802]

I feel bad saying this but I just found out about here through this video. I instantly went over to Instagram and looked at everything she made. And God it's so beautiful 🥹

[@Blankult]

I find it astonishing how people talk more often about how useless owning an NFT is rather than how stupidly ugly and without artistical value those NFT "brands" are.

[@chillfactory9000]

and also how horrible they are for the enviroment

[@memepolice6624]

@@chillfactory9000 Actually, thats seemingly the first thing most people will mention in discussions, but that could just be my experience. Now that im thinking about it, even when it's being brought up, no one really brings up exact numbers or analogous examples of how much energy is consumed. They'll just say "it's bad for the environment" and never expound on it, like they're just being a mouth-piece for some rhetoric, which in turn, disengages my interest in that part of the issue. I had no idea that Ethereum consumed more energy than a small country.

[@cralo2569]

@@memepolice6624 it's hear-say really, but it's seems to be true...

[@nise6699]

I mean since most of these NFTBros don't care about the artistical value and just in it for the money(and they're the most annoying), people tend to go against that idea first to show their actual argument and purpose of profiting from a flawed system and sugarcoating it up with the idea of owning digital assets, I mean that's how I go about it anyways

[@Blankult]

@@nise6699 I just find it funny how people meme about screenshotting NFTs but they're not even worth that lol

[@oliversealey970]

I don't know why but whenever I hear about Qinni my heart stops and sinks to the ground. I had followed her a week or so before she passed without paying attention to the captions or anything but when I kept seeing tributes among the other artists I followed, I felt sad I never got to really experience her art as she was creating it. It makes my blood boil that people are selling her art as NFT's and I hope her family can put a stop to it.

[@ThePandafriend]

It isn't illegal. They're selling the token, not the artwork. Of course that doesn't make it morally okay. The only thing where I'd see a chance would be that they're breaking the copyright by posting the images. But even that legal hurdle could be circumvented by embedding the stuff which she posted.

[@aerosma5021]

@@ThePandafriend They never argued that it was illegal?

[@ThePandafriend]

@@aerosma5021 I never claimed that he did. I'm just saying this because it means that they can't do much, unless they try to sell the rights to the image as well.

[@Chachi97]

I think Qinni's situation was the first time I heard the term NFT. That day, I decided I wanted nothing to do with them, and everything I've learned since then only reinforced my distaste. Unfortunately it's begun to take hold of my favorite hobby, video games. Between the North American retro game market and now this, it saddens me to see my hobby being perverted into some get rich quick scheme by a wealthy few.

[@CloverSchilling]

For years random nerds on the internet were able to create communities where they could discuss what they love, post pics, draw fanart, write fanfiction, speculate about things, show off their carefully cultivated collections or their latest attempts at transformative art. These people keep mentioning "the community" but all they seem to do in post endlessly about how good NFTs are and how everyone else is gonna be sorry they didn't get into the NFT craze and how good it is that so and so bought their first or fifth hundred NFT. A lot of them fully admit it has nothing to do with the art itself. Feels kind of hollow. I get why sports nerds like sports. I get why fanart and fanfic exist. I get why people got obsessed over how they thought GOT was going to end. I get why there's 8 shitmillion video essays about ATLA. I don't get why these NFT people care about collecting these NFTs or getting other people to.

[@oldtimegames96]

Simple answer : hoarding a 'limited supply' token means that anyone wanting to buy the token will have to buy from the previous owner, at a higher price than the hoarder paid for it, in essence, making the hoarder rich. This is just a greater fool scheme, where profit of any person depends on finding a 'bigger fool' who is willing to pay increasingly exorbitant price for the useless good

[@BlazingKhioneus]

I just realized that shiny Pokémon are theoretically more valuable than NFTs(cheating nonwithstanding) because if I have my shiny Crobat from may 2009, it will be the only Crobat like that: individual values, moves, ribbons, etc(again, cheating and cloning nonwithstanding) and it has the additional sentimental value of being one that I found naturally. With this scarsity and ownership of this specific Crobat, I have free reign to do what I want with it, including destroying it. With an NFT, you dont get the power of ownership besides being able to sell it. Someone who owns THE mona lisa has the power to set it ablaze, paint over it, make it a paper airplane, or touch up faded spots and noone else can just hit undo on that. The power of ownership isn't in the receipt, but in the power to affect your possession.

[@abdallababikir9154]

that is a bunch of nonsense. What will you do, force me to delete it?

[@BlazingKhioneus]

@@abdallababikir9154 wtf? did you miss the entire point of my comment? I was saying if I truly owned something nonfungible, then I get to do whatever I want with it, even if that means permanent destruction, but because an NFT can be replicated and the only part of it I own is a reciept, then I do not have this power and thus ownership is less valuable.

[@abdallababikir9154]

@@BlazingKhioneus ohh my bad, i did miss your point, entirely.

[@jamstarr]

This is one of the gayest things ive read but you raise a good point

[@dragonmartijn]

It gives me so much emotional value to see other people throw their money away like that.

[@coffins786]

people won’t commission artists for full, custom illustrations saying they’re overpriced but will opt for more expensive and worse looking nfts

[@Hevii_]

Literally, you could get some of the most gorgeous art of ANYTHING you want, a character, a landscape, a game, a fucking animation, WHATEVER YOU WANT for like $200? Orrr you could get a shitty looking ape for $50,000

[@awkwardllama0509]

@@Hevii_ truth

[@Nekusa]

you're only sseeing when celebities spend cash for highly minted pieces that's inflated with value. most of these start out as cheap as 30$ and eventually inflates based on the same method forex traders uses to get rich from stocks or crypto

[@x420weedkillaSmOkA69]

Its an issue of liquidity! you can unload as easily as you acquire. this is why people love stocks!

[@matheussanthiago9685]

@@Nekusa aka ponzi scheme

[@elizabethb4168]

I genuinely can't see how NFTs are remotely better for artists than, ohhh I dunno, normal commissions? If these people actually cared about artists, they'd commission artists, not purchase ugly and low effort picrews, and engage in scams Also, on the topic of dead people's likenesses being used for NFTs, the brand Tokidoki apparently made Marilyn Monroe NFTs, they posted about it on Instagram and it's gross to see that she's still being taken advantage of even in death It's honestly gross that ANY dead people are being used to peddle this nonsense, let them rest in peace

[@Valfezant]

That's my point. I've seen a lot of people prasing NFTs for being a way to "support digital artists" -- and it's clear to me that those people had never thought about artist support until they needed an excuse to justify pouring millions of dollars into glorified files. If you really care about owning a unique piece of work from an artist, what's better than a commission? You have complete control over its inception, and it is far more personalized than any randomized layered image will ever be. Oh right, I forgot. Commissions are actually generally affordable and you can't brag about being "rich" because you own one. Silly me.

[@krismarshall3803]

@@Valfezant Like NFT bros also point out that with commissions "doesn't mean I own the piece. I pay to own all rights to it to do whatever I want" to which I will go "Well pay me an extra $200 and we are gucchi. Do whatever with your commission, hell, even say you didn't even know the artist cuz you know in the end it will all come back to me with you being a total asshat and ignoring my name." But even THEN that's not good enough because the whole NFT thing they need an official receipt of them being able to do whatever the hell they want with it with full ownership. To which I can only respond with "Grow the fuck up you man-child"

[@johnsalchichon777]

"Please commission me i'm Literally Dying Of starvation"

[@NIHIL_EGO]

@@johnsalchichon777 "Haha, Kemono Party goes brrrrrr"

[@ryuuthefrog3775]

@@Valfezant Exactly. The only way to support digital artists is to.. actually support them. Using character generator and selling them for millions isn't support. It's a blatant fucking insult. It really fucking hurts. I did digital commissions for friends. Hell, I don't care how they use the art, as long as they keep my artist signature on the drawing and don't claim it as theirs I don't care how they use it. They paid for it. NFTs could have been good (hear me out... I swear I'm not crazy) if they just weren't a lazy scam. It's highly insulting to artists. Hell, there are probably artists out there who have something similar to NFTs that were creative and fair but are now overshadowed by other NFTs and the stigma of those NFTs. It's especially disgusting how a lot of the art is fucking stolen from alive and DEAD people, as well as sold based on dead people (for example, Stan Lee and Bob Ross.... disrespectful), as well as just... made from character generators??? One-Of-A-Kind things are super fun. I'm one of those people who love to collect things. But it shouldn't've come to this. Maybe in an alternate universe, NFTs are just digitalized one-of-a-kinds with real effort. I just could not agree with you more. NFTs are an insult to traditional and digital art.... as well as the environment. How sad.

[@asteroidrules]

It's really hilarious watching this two years later now that NFTs are completely dead and crypto is not far behind.

[@artuno1207]

Hearing about Qinni's art getting stolen is just a massive punch in the gut. I only learned of her the day she died, but it was obvious that she deserved so much more respect not only for her craft, but for her gentle spirit and fighting strength when it came to her situation. I am monumentally furious, this is absolutely disgusting and I hope the person who did it gets their karmic punishment.

[@陳嘉宇-y4q]

Man my rage is boiling at this moment , shit does happen when you sell a signal of one’s life and hardship for a quick buck !

[@neuralmute]

Same. Total rage. I'm also an artist who happens to be chronically ill, currently waiting to find out a potentially dangerous diagnosis that would require brain surgery. If my surgery went wrong, or my condition is worse than my doctors think, I *HATE* the idea of some greedy tech bro stealing my work for an easy buck. The thief isn't the one who's worked their entire life to hone their skills, or put hours and hours into every piece that they created with their own hands, which are calloused and scarred from pencils, pens, paintbrushes, power tools, sandpaper, solvents, every sort of sewing needle, stitched up, and burned. Hands that have IV scars in the backs. All for a labour of love, because you *don't* go into this field for the money! I would come back and haunt that guy's ass like the girl from The Ring, You don't rip off an artist who's been working through the pain.

[@dataexpunged6969]

I had been following her for years and had a few interactions with her in her ig comment section. When she posted about her illness it broke my heart. I cried bitterly the day she passed away. To hear how someone took advantage of her memory in such a horrible way makes me furious beyond words.

[@dataexpunged6969]

@@neuralmute While your comment at the end is hilarious, I do hope for things to get easier for you. You're awesome and if you're an artist and are comfortable with sharing your Instagram, would you share it with me? I'd love to support you!

[@neuralmute]

@@dataexpunged6969 Thanks for the support! Working with chronic pain isn't something I'd recommend to anybody, but it's better than doing nothing. I'm hoping that at least one of my problems will see better treatment over the next year, and the hope keeps me going. I apologise, but I don't feel comfortable sharing identifying info on here, especially in the comments of a video about NFTs, where art poachers might be hanging out. Right now especially, while I'm trying to put together a portfolio for an advanced degree, I can't afford to have my work plagerised. I'm sure you can understand that! Take care, and all the best to you.

[@paps3060]

The argument that you can't make money without NFTs is so stupid. Commissions? Prints? Merch? Do people really believe there's no way at all to make money from your art? You're far far less likely to make one huge chunk of money from a single buyer on a single artwork than you are a stable flow from traditional means unless you're already insanely popular. NFTs aren't going to help small artists.

[@rolandp.6133]

Don't you know, artists did not exist prior to NFTs?! /s

[@jaxkk1119]

Yea.., all method u just mention, still will not work for small artists, as an artist, u have to know how important that is to have reputation instead of only skills.

[@dreamrabbits5072]

It's so annoying because now non-artists and laypeople who know nothing about it, but probably heard it on some article or video once now think this is a way for artists to make SO MUCH MONEY! Little do they know it has nothing to do with art at all, it's a total scheme.

[@rockocandyeye]

@@jaxkk1119 Still, having great skills are better than reputation since it's much long lasting more. Many NFTs are from those who can't draw a decent thing

[@daanabbring5409]

@@rockocandyeye I saw someone who had made NFT's for charity to save penguins or something like that. First of all, it looked like the work from a 10 year old and secondly it's a fact that NFT's are *very* bad for the climate. I wish they made better use of the electrical power and the space that data centers take up for this stuff no one cares about.

[@bendykirby4828]

That whole point on NFTs' focus not being on the art itself just breaks my heart. I hate seeing people view art as nothing more than a product rather than the creative expression that it really should be.

[@Axl4325]

Not even a product in this case because they don´t want or need the art, in this case the art is just an excuse, a face for a glorified stock market with no real value

[@dakat5131]

To me the worst thing in that regard is that it wears the skin of being for artists, but since it's biggest proponents are openly using art as an afterthought, tying the essence of art to this thing just drags art down with it. It creates a subconcious feeling that art in general is so insincere. That stain on the reputation affects everyone it's pitched to. For example, if people associate it with new artists or artists otherwise trying to go big, that reflects badly even on the ones not using NFTs. Something that is IMO an essential part of being human is weighed down with so many negative associations at a systematic level, just to make a quick buck.

[@eggbag4182]

“NFTs are in something of a Wild West stage” and now they’re in universal heat death

[@RoryRose_]

praise be and may they never come back!

[@Ani]

One thing to note about the whole twitter pfp's thing: since the monetary value of your NFT is so closely linked to people's perception of it, it's HIGHLY incentivised for anyone who's bought, say, a Bored Ape, to make it their twitter profile picture and banner. The more of a wave it seems to be, the more it looks like everyone has one (including some celebrities, sadly), the more money you stand to gain, with little personal loss save for your dignity.

[@itzel6698]

ooh didnt even think of the twitter pfp incentive nice catch!

[@yummyherbicide7296]

It's a pyramid scheme. Eventually the greatest idiot has a monkey picture that nobody wants to buy and he's down 5 million shitcoin.

[@SirFaceFone]

@@yummyherbicide7296 shitcoin lmao

[@glenn_danzig]

I dont have one, i dont need one, i dont want one

[@Henrex2000]

MLM

[@mordekaihorowitz]

The more I learn about NFTs the angrier I get because it's like watching the world go insane in unison

[@urfavmorigirl5968]

It makes me want to mash my brain like potatoes

[@hauntr416]

Can't wait for the day when the market drops and all these NFT supporters can't sell their assets lmao, that would be hilarious 😂 I might be psychopath for wishing ppl to lose money, but idc

[@tomkrawec]

Financial bubbles are a hallmark of capitalism and I can only hope people become annoyed wtih them in time to enjoy a more controlled human society for at least a while before this planet becomes significantl less liveable.

[@urfavmorigirl5968]

@@hauntr416 it’s fine, in this case it can be excused

[@fandroid6491]

@sotuur aeei They're even worse than toxic fanbases

[@Heidegaff]

Love how NFTs were supposed to "support artists" yet they immediately became a way for scummy individuals to speculate with procedurally generated turds that can't look good even by accident.

[@GamingWithHajimemes]

Literal bot made shit looks better than the stuff people make on there-

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Except not really. NFTs were never meant for artists. This is just the narrative the media and the people invested in crypto tell you to get involved. When you buy an NFT, you don't buy art. You buy a piece of random code verified by an online ledger as unique. The artwork is but a smokescreen. At its core, it's a purpose-made speculative market designed so that there's something people can buy with their cryptocurrency, which can then be sold to speculators hoping to make it big by selling it to a bigger fool later down the line. It is, by the strictest definition, a scam, or rather the new way to pull people into the crypto-currency pyramid scheme.

[@FrozenPasta]

Nfts sadden me greatly... as a very young artist of 13 capable of art worth selling... I am also a victim of nft abusers. When I got a dm on discord about someone wanting me to do a commission for them I was super excited. He asked me if I knew what nfts were and I didn't. He didn't really wanna explain but either way he proceeded to tell me to draw a human base and draw crap tons of clothe accessories on separate layers on the model. He payed maybe 100 dollars or more in total but at some point I was stupid and sent him the files with a lot of unpaid art. He then ghosted me. Later on I learned what nfts are and can't bring myself to do any other commissions. It was my first ever commission. Generally I have a distaste for nfts in general because of that experience and with quinni (dunno how to spell it) plus a game I loved called Feral had only been out for a year before the creators duplicated the game and made it nft based because feral originally didn't make the money back. That's all...

[@reazulzannah738]

Awh, sucks to hear that had happened to you, but don't give up on it. Just be more cautious. I think at your age these kinds of mistakes are more frequent, but remember that each mistake has the potential to make you a stronger person as long as you have the right mindset! Also, it may help to have adult/parental supervision if you're in some kind of business, even if it's art. Someone who can more easily spot something suspicious about a commission and understands the web trends would go a long way.

[@FrozenPasta]

@@reazulzannah738 I live in poverty and the people in my life capable of that work 24/7. I'm 14 now also haha. I've been on the internet my entire life really and am actually working on using things like blender to sharpen my skills. In the past month I've really been learning about suspicion offers ect. Nfts were newer on my fyp when I got that offer so that's why I didn't recognize it sadly. Not to mention I still don't understand them completely.

[@FrozenPasta]

@@reazulzannah738 ty for commenting :)

[@Gigachad-mc5qz]

Just make your own nft?

[@FrozenPasta]

@@Gigachad-mc5qz whatttt?....

[@Tsukaiyo]

Seriously, why spend so much on an ugly monkey/stolen art when you can spend that same money to find an artist you like and buy a custom piece? Directly benefitting the artist, you get art in return (not just a hyperlink). It's beautiful, it was handmade for you, totally one-of-a-kind. Isn't that more special?

[@paulmahoney7619]

And it takes far, far, less energy.

[@Lycaon1765]

Think of something really fucking stupid you've bought before. Something others might judge you for getting in the first place, but you still enjoy anyway. Maybe you bought something to go along with a trend or to be part of some community. Maybe that trend/community was/is mocked a lot online for being seen as supposedly worthless or dumb. But you still enjoy your purchase anyway. Now realize that people buy NFTs because they want it. You yourself may not see value in it but that doesn't mean that other people have to agree with you nor defend their like of it (as long as it's not something morally repulsive or actively harmful, obvi). It's like saying "let's play channels shouldn't exist! Why would you ever want to watch someone play a game when you can play the game yourself?!?" They exist because people like it.

[@pureevil9496]

@@Lycaon1765 Let's Plays are more entertaining than playing games myself (which I don't do because video games are stupid) Getting custom art is purely better than buying some random garbage for loads more money in the hope you can make a profit

[@Lycaon1765]

@@pureevil9496 Again, that's your opinion man. Very clearly these NFT folks disagree.

[@TheSameYellowToy]

Not to mention that if you buy art or a collectible because you genuinely like it, then its monetary worth doesn't matter. But collecting ugly NFTs you don't actually enjoy in the hopes of them making you money someday is even more risky than buying NFTs you actually enjoy, because if you like them and they're worthless...well, at least you like them. But if you don't even like them and they're worthless, then you're SOL even on a sentimental level. You're no different than people who don't like plushies/toys but thought buying Beanie Babies would pay for their kids' college, or elderly people shocked that their Precious Moments figurine collections kept untouched in dusty boxes in the attic for decades they only bought for the sole purpose of funding their retirement are now completely worthless.

[@jakobmatthies6553]

I haven't considered myself an "artist" in years. My skills are rusty and my creative motivation comes in very short bursts which life often forces me to ignore completely. That being said, the NFT thing is so soullessly focused on the speculative market that the art is offensively meaningless. Hell, most of it is algorithmically generated noise, one indistinguishable from another. If art is fundamentally a form of human expression, then most NFTs are not art. The theft, plagiarism, scamming, and environmental impacts are all just icing on the turd that is NFTs. They spit in the face of everything noble about art.

[@walter3934]

Hey! Robots can have expressions too you know! Just not this one...

[@jorgeluz9560]

Very well said! I'm an artist too and those drawings say nothing by themselves. It is all about the value attributed to them not by the art, but by its potential for profit on resale.

[@hami4099]

“Algorithmically generated noise.” This is why I came here.

[@neuralmute]

I am also an artist, and you just said perfectly what I was feeling viscerally this entire time.

[@Br13467]

The contemp art movement have been playing with these notions you talk about for a long time. Nfts are just pushing it to a pinnacle, It’s interesting to watch people play around the irony of what art is and it’s monetary value. I make art for a living it’s my day job and I’m lucky enough to have that, nfts do not affect my livelihood at all and I can’t see it having any real repercussions to any working artist why are people so obsessed with hating them? Every new technology has its growing pains let the space blossom into what it can be instead of shitting on everything new.

[@ThatElfNerd]

The thing that breaks me the most when it comes to NFTs is how a lot of the people I've met or heard of have acting as though having a digital piece of art somehow makes them worth more than people who've gone to art schools, and who make art as a passion, rather than a for-profit scheme. One of my friends has a family member who outright laughs in her face for having gone to college for art and animation, when they were able to make money selling traces of stock images as NFTs. A lot of them seem to have this "I'm better than you" attitude, and would rather bring down people who don't get into NFTs.

[@L3X1N]

Well, _that's_ not necessarily the fault of NFTs. It's a symptom of late-stage capitalism in general. People aren't valuing work, they're valuing profit. If you work your back off as a street cleaner and earn a barely-livable wage, you'll get laughed at instead of thanked, because you didn't "choose" to be a millionaire who sits around all day. It used to be "work smart, not hard," but nowadays it's more like "don't work at all."

[@MadsterV]

@@L3X1N no. That's just scammers being scammers, that's how they behave. You get scammers anywhere there is trading.

[@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally]

@@MadsterV In capitalism, scamming is highly incentivised, if not necessary

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Yeah exactly! It’s like the exact same thing as an artist on deviant art or something, making a profit from tracing art, except NFT “artists” instead add a layer of egotistical bull crap :/

[@MadsterV]

@@BooksAndShitButNotLiterally nope. That's yet another lie made up by socialists and communists. Why do you think there are laws against false advertising, enforced by the FTC and labeled "anti-competitive"? Capitalism is all for competition in the market. Scamming hurts the market.

[@BadAthisOMG]

As an artist, I think that the worst thing with NFT’s is how many artists are getting their stuff stolen. I remember hearing about an artist who died, and her stuff immediately being turned into NFTs like the minute the news dropped. Sad stuff.

[@margaesperanza]

This was Qinni, her brother had to ask people to share who stole his sister’s works. And her close friend? Started selling NFTS……and flopped anyway. It was sad.

[@edgy55]

Even if we took out the environmental part this is still probably the dumbest idea ever. I just don't see how selling commissions and/or setting up a Patreon was a bad way for indie artists to make money, and selling an image file like it's some sort of high brow physical work of art quite simply doesn't make any sense at all. I hope to god this is just gonna be a fad that's gonna die out within 5 years and people don't continue to take this shit seriously

[@deliciousdishes4531]

like, literally comissions are better in almost every way. Doesn't require a stupid currency built on ever increasing power usage, makes art theft harder, the buyer can actually own the product, etc. It's just such a profoundly, obviously stupid idea and I have seen not a single benefit to any of it. The comparison to this "high brow physical work of art" is really telling. It's like fine art trade (which already sucks), but worse.

[@sharpytown]

With things like this, they fall as soon as they rise. I hope to god NFT's become forgotten at some point and become an obscute footnote in art history "Hey bro, remember NFT's?" "tf are NFTs?"

[@BinglesP]

Same, I don’t want this to take off at all

[@katokianimation]

Nft is not an imige file, it would be too much prossesing to turn a whole image to NFT. it is just a link to an image file. And if the server is put of service you have a glorious 404 error page for millions

[@theywalkinguptoyouand4060]

If you think that then you never had your art stolen. Or never made any real good art that is worth stealing.

[@Schlgrl_]

I remember when NFTS were meant to be “the new income for small artists” before we realised they were just extra assets for the already rich 🤡

[@rajs4719]

This. I'm a photographer but I'd have way more luck selling prints as a small photographer than selling NFTs. The people who are already big are the ones that can sell their NFTs

[@BlokHeadAnim]

Yeahh this pretty much. I got into it briefly when my other online artist friends told me about it, and then watched as my actual art pieces that I was really proud of just sat there while everyone just started buying bored apes. It was never about the art, and it's really disappointing.

[@MsSumoon]

As an artist, I still believe the best way to help us, in general, is to commission us and advocate for us to be better paid. And 2 NFTs companies already aproached me offering me their services and I denied them, I don't care if they believe it's good for me so far the NFTs haven't proved they are truly good for artists in general.

[@chubbysolaireeaterofpussy3192]

facts bro

[@fandroid6491]

NFTs aren't good for the environment and i'm praying that they dive down faster than the stonk market ever could.

[@井雯暄]

qinni… died? i found her art when i was maybe 11 or 12, when i was just starting to take art seriously, and she was one of my biggest influencers. i haven’t been keeping up with her, but i had no idea… and to see someone stealing her art and likeness to make a profit is sickening

[@PJ_Wendigo]

Sickening is a gruesome understatement.

[@hurricanefury439]

NFTs are going the exact same route as beanie babies. everyone bought them up like crazy thinking they'd be worth a fortune but that meant that there were so many in circulation that they were worthless.

[@auqustfire]

I never understood the beanie baby thing. Like, what gave people the idea that they'd be worth money in the first place? With NFTs connection to cryptocurrencies, it's not crazy that people would expect them to be worth money (dumb but not surprising), but cloth animals filled with pellets???

[@naota3k]

Yup. This. If _everyone_ knows how "valuable" they are at retail and buys a shit ton of them, the scarcity in which their high value comes from is stripped away.

[@FranNyan]

@@auqustfire Collectibles are a weird market where you're basically gambling on the future having nostalgia for the past and being willing to pay high prices for them. With beanies, it was the *LIMITED RUN!!* thing that made people lose their heads. But something being limited edition only increases in value if there's a want for that thing after the production run is over. (Plus "Limited" when it comes to mass produced products is another thing entirely...)

[@dr.wyverstone8418]

@@FranNyan The same thing happens with Funko Pops (of which, the company Funko has started making NFTs themselves as shown with the Bob Ross thing). Certain pops get a limited amount or limited time to be sold, so a lot of people in the community lose their minds trying to wait in line for the newest releases for one of two reasons; 1) That they really want this pop for their personal collection for multitudes of different reasons (such as completing a set, favorite character, nostalgia reason, etc.) or 2) They think it'll be worth something and buy it at retail to sell it much higher right after, or after waiting for awhile. The difference with those is that pops have kept this up for over 10 years now, but like anything eventually popularity will wear off and prices for highly sought after pops will also drop no matter how "limited" any of them are.

[@AssassinKillua15]

At least you can hold Beanie Babies in your hands. Not that they're worth 30k or whatever..but at least its a psychical thing that you can't have taken away from you by it being deleted.

[@bookworm4133]

One thing that always gets me when people defend or criticize NFTs is when they compare it to money laundering or selling a famous painting, saying that all art is just made to be sold. Y'know people actually commission artists to make cool art? Y'know artists put effort into making stuff to sell on Etsy? When most people buy art, they don't think about how they can sell it for more money. They buy it because they think its cool. You can even commission someone to make assets that you can actually use in games or projects.

[@Gaia_BentosZX5]

You can even commission someone to show support financially. I finally have most of the basics down and having NFTs thrown in my face is nothing short of insulting that undermines how much time it took to actually get to a part where I can draw heads and limbs consistently, and from memory. I haven't even figured out how to draw a proper torso yet. It feels insulting that it all comes back to Greed as I'm tired of having these discussions about a scam where they have openly admitted to rugpulling time and time again, even before it took off. I also recently discovered that you shouldn't ask anyone in that community what the age of consent is, it's truly disgusting.

[@bookworm4133]

@@Gaia_BentosZX5 NFTs apparently aren't even that popular anyway. There are genuinely nice looking NFTs that people put hard work into, but they're so overpriced and you're basically just buying something to be sold. Its not really that helpful for actual artists, its mostly just for people in crypto.

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Well, more like you buy Art that looks cool, or evokes a certain emotion As a furry…. I can relate :P

[@Thewaterspirit57]

@@bookworm4133 bet that if that well done NFT art was sold normally on something like Etsy, people would actually buy them :S Even if someone really did put tons of effort into an art piece…. Selling them on some place that uses crypto ruins that.

[@orangiat3619]

but the examples you gave were just art being made to be sold lol

[@isabellebacosa1810]

I loved and still love Qinni’s art. I followed her for a long time and she is truly an inspiration. I can’t describe the rage I just felt for her iconic art being stolen for a NFT, I had no idea that even happened..

[@gnuwaves743]

"I want to be a unique individual so I'll buy a bored ape like everyone else, but mines is special." Next Level

[@ARDIZsq]

I don't like how people say "this is how artists can make money." No, absolutely not. As an artist, the ONLY reason why I'd consider selling NFTs in the first place is to make a quick buck off some shitty soulless "art." I would put 0 work into them and feel no remorse for the idiots who'd buy them. Besides, NFTs are disgusting because you own NOTHING. If you buy a PHYSICAL print from you're favorite artist, you get something you can hold and hang up on your wall, the artist gets paid, and the environment doesn't get even further fucked over. I'd 1000% buy a $30 poster from an artist I enjoy as a way to support them, but I would NEVER buy an NFT. I don't care how much I like the artist, I don't care how good the art looks, I don't care about any of that, I'm NEVER buying an NFT. Don't support these lazy cashgrab NFTs, support real artists selling real, PHYSICAL artworks.

[@trash.j]

ALSO, you're not actually buying the original art, because if it's online there *is no original copy of the art.* A good analogy I heard before is that an NFT is basically buying the "receipt" that proves you own something, not the actual thing itself. It's just a giant pyramid scheme

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

​ Why does evetyone classify this as 'pyramid scheme'?

[@trash.j]

Here, I'm not very good at explaining things so I'll put a quote from a fellow artist Eriana Ura-Smith "Users invest in something more-or-less intangible, a digital receipt of ownership of an infinitely replicable image or other online object. The general consensus is that they will, in turn, be able to sell this intangible thing for absurd returns. Early investors are paid out from the money coming in from new investors, seeing the success of the early ones. Wash trading inflates the value of NFTs, and original owners slowly cash out by selling off the NFTs they've minted for extraordinary prices. NFTs offer adopters the illusion of quick and easy profits, and in some cases the feeling of community or belonging, coupled with exclusivity. Platforms exploit the "Fear of Missing Out" to attract new investors, or extract further funds from existing investors. Already we've seen multiple examples of projects where the creators were able to extract massive sums of money and abandon them, often leaving the investors with no opportunity to recoup their losses. Look to examples like the CryptoPunk wash trade or the rug pull with Squid Coin. Squid Coin is the perfect example, as it not only was a huge scam cashed out by it's creators, but it relied on stolen intellectual property for its appeal." “My initial impression of NFTs were that the idea of creating artificial scarcity for an infinitely replicable product was a fool's errand at best, and an obvious scam at worst."

[@amphiphone]

I prefer buy art commission where I paid the artist and get a masterpiece specially made for me even if it doesn't have to be in a physical format, I can print it later if I want to frame it.

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

Don’t leave out the commissioners

[@1Cr0w]

Due to their mass production, NFTs mainly are: fungible. You can replace any bored ape with any other bored ape, they look equally shit, and no one else will care about the difference. Indeed, you could also replace any bored ape with any lazy lion, and to an outsider, or even an NFT-bro, that just marks you as an NFT-bro. The token does not matter, rendering it fungible. Which is amazing. You could even set a copy of an NFT as your profile picture and get _nearly_ the same result.

[@pisfool3860]

Exactly. You don't even need to bring "Right Click" argument in this to disprove their values from uniqueness.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

@@pisfool3860 How easy it must be to right click a random NFT and use it for yourself without the "owner" ever finding out, they might even look right at it being used and not realize it. Of course paying hundreds to thousands of dollars for a hyperlink is a really stupid idea no matter how you slice it.

[@gavinattalahadiyan325]

someone deadass made thousand of dollars by selling his own picture that he took in the front of his computer in the past 4 year

[@itsmiadabirb]

@@gavinattalahadiyan325 was it ghozali? or it's another person?

[@anhilliator1]

Like, seriously - you'd have an easier time plugging in the same phrase into something like VQGAN+CLIP and it would still be more varied and look way better than more than half the collections.

[@gergelygalvacsy2251]

When I first heard of NFTs ipI went “cool, now digital artists have a way to make a buck” then later I thought “it’s a nice gimmick that artists can use to trick dumb rich people into giving them their money, and I support that” but then it all went south. Putting aside the environmental effects - which I didn’t consider early on - what you get is that the mainstream NFT game has nothing to do with art. Do you think those who buy or mass produce these apes actually think they look good? No, it’s just another “get-rich-quick” schemes which pretty much operate like pyramid schemes: it only works for you if new people are lured into giving in their money, resulting in a hierarchy where a few people become millionaires, while thousands go bankrupt. It’s essentially crypto business, but with the added facade of “supporting/celebrating artists/art” which really frustrated me.

[@m00nrac00n]

It turned into "uber-rich" people scamming "moderately" rich people real quick aka a bubble.

[@alexander.1955]

we get it kid ! ur poor af and hate things you cant buy

[@krismarshall3803]

@@alexander.1955 Grow up you man-child, god

[@gergelygalvacsy2251]

@@alexander.1955 impressive argument. Unfortunately your mother

[@suharb5014]

@@alexander.1955 i hate ubisoft because i cant buy them

[@ManoredRed]

Problem is, those "finer details" are where the scams lie. Such as the fact that you actually own an url pointing at an image hosted in a server, rather than the image itself, and if the server goes down or stops hosting, your NFT is bricked.

[@wynautwarrior2161]

I hate NFTs with a burning passion for ethical and environmental reasons, but I'm glad your video mostly was about the art itself and not about cryptocurrency. As much as I want NFTs to burn to the ground and for their name to be locked away in the depths of the Mariana Trench, I will admit there are some people who understand the flaws and want to make them better. However, I think if we really do want to make them better, we need to remake them in a way that doesn't screw up the environment and doesn't encourage art theft. I really don't see a future in cryptocurrency, but if there is one, I pray it's for the greater good for earth, life and mankind. If it's only for mankind we're royally fucked.

[@Persun_McPersonson]

The thing is that NFTs are flawed on a fundamental level and no matter what parts of them you try to fix you will still be left with a flawed system. It's nothing more than an idea that sounds good on paper but can't actually work.

[@0jeej0]

👍agree

[@MightGuy15]

Omg it's yoooou X3 your everywhere!

[@MrMinecraftGamer456]

@@Persun_McPersonson No NFT actually stores the literal picture at the moment either. All they do is store metadata about the picture and a hyperlink to that picture hosted somewhere ESLE on the internet, meaning that, most of the time, you just purchased ownership to a public hyperlink.

[@wynautwarrior2161]

@@MightGuy15 Hello again, bud! :3

[@jackhinkley885]

When you buy an NFT you don't even buy the art that represents them. You simply own a number in a server. There's literally nothing stopping the artist who owns the copyright to sell the exact same images as a completely separate NFT - if the owner is even the one who makes the NFT.

[@ackbooh9032]

This is one great point. NFTs are not ownership rights most of the time, with no exploitation rights, no intellectual property links, and no centralization for confidence (blockchain is secure, but itself replaceable, like... infinitely easy art fakes with no definitive experts by definition). There are already real problems along these lines in crypto. The 'Line goes up' video of Folding Ideas discusses this

[@infinitesimotel]

The only person who has the "original" is the one who created it, leaves their computer on forever, and has it permanently active in their RAM. Anything else will be a copy, even the first save to file. Even then its not the original because RAM is updated electrically every cycle.

[@marcush4741]

I used to do the whole "right click save" thing. They stopped getting mad about that. I started by saying I'm looking to buy NFTs, but that I want to buy unique art. Then people post their stuff and I say "I said unique art. This isnt art". Yes, its art. But these NFT bros will spend HOURS telling me that technically everything is art. I figure every minute I make them waste is a minute they arent scamming people into buying into the new tulip bubble.

[@jonpatchmodular]

I'm into generative music, so I understand how machines can make new and exciting art. However I put a lot of effort into every generative patch, and I offer my music for free, because I believe art is free and people should be able to derive whenever they want, not when the wallet allows it. I'd say if every piece was actually an entire collection, it would have artistic value as a generative art piece. But this is like if I did a 3 hour generative sesh and cut it into 5 minute pieces, and called that my whole discography. In other words I'd pay like a couple hundreds for the whole Bored Monkey collection if I was feeling very artsy. Hundreds of dollars, not ethereum mind you.

[@Blaze-bj5pz]

The same recent NFT bro that started explaining the concept that art is everywhere was the same person that told me I was ridiculous for thinking that art was everywhere. I’m not friends with him anymore :>

[@regayudafitra6236]

Heck even i cinsidering fanart from some franchise having more value than this nft random picturr

[@velazquezarmouries]

Well if everything is art then nothing is art

[@huntermorgan4201]

I shudder to think what's on the other side of NFTs if they gain a proportional amount of influence globally to the tulips of Holland

[@luigispaghetti8769]

Watching this 1.5 years after it was made is hilarious. I can't believe we used to be like this

[@sophisticatedPJs]

I find it insane that people devalue artists' work so often and attempt to barter with reasonable commission prices (for pieces that are ACTUALLY fully customizable, can be discussed with the artist directly, and can be completely unique to what *you* want in a piece of art), yet we have people paying thousands of dollars for what essentially amounts to the randomize button on a badly made picrew. It's insulting.

[@comradefrommars]

Further proof that it was never, ever about the art. It's all money laundering, scams, and status symbols.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Ngl kinda disappointed that NFT's aren't part of the dictionary's synonyms for the word "scam".

[@onlineguy4442]

I feel like Nft was created for abuse

[@teneleven5132]

Well that wouldn't be a very useful synonym, in the vast majority of contexts swapping out "scam" with "NFT" would change the meaning of the sentence way too much to be useful for writers.

[@deathlydashi]

Did you even watch the video?

[@nameq]

funny

[@ComicalRealm]

NFTs are proof we are living in an era of validation and dopamine addiction. " - Master Oogway

[@intensivecareunitpee5838]

You’ve taken valid points from others and butchered them. The fuck is “dopamine addiction”

[@ozyisgoated]

Master Oogwgay is better

[@flushed8510]

@@intensivecareunitpee5838 It's what those weird Twitter junkies are addicted to, causing them to spend 9+ hours a day being reply guys and retweeting hundreds of things per day to their 17 followers. You can laugh at the concept of a dopamine addiction (and a dopamine detox) but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[@Artificial_Idiot]

I’ve seen this copied comment in different video for hours ago Doesn’t mean I hate copied comments, only if they consistently copying comments

[@LaCabraAsada]

You're everywhere

[@cyrely]

I added this video to “watch later” approximately one year ago and now, after I watched the video I went to the google and the first result is “nft selling dropped to 97%”

[@sophisticatedPJs]

Honestly, since when have people involved with brand culture ever once cared about the environment? They fully know the impact of their actions, Supreme for example is most likely created using fast fashion (which is an unfortunately common method of producing clothes using extremely underpaid workers in terrible and often dangerous working conditions, and typically contributes to fabric waste amongst many many other problems), and the same goes for most other "luxury" brands. They don't care about how much it's hurting other people or how much it's hurting this planet, they just care about getting into some stupid social class or "club".

[@skeletonking2501]

That always annoyed me. People seem to only bring up the environment as extra bullets against nft, despite most probably not giving a second though on it before hand.

[@liriodendronlasianthus]

Also, Supreme is extremely ugly and cheap-looking.

[@ruefysh9576]

@@skeletonking2501 Yeah, nft's in themselves aren't hurting the environment, it's the cryptocurrencies that are doing it when they are being mined, bringing up the environment against the nft's is I dunno, using the wrong argument, it is technically correct because you buy the nfts with crypto but if you took the crypto out of the picture they aren't really hurting the environment, it's probably just some poor artist that got approached by a company and asked to make a nft or just a guy that vaguely knows how to do art made a picture and decided to sell it for a few millions

[@Anastas1786]

Maybe it's just me, on the outside looking in, but it feels like whoever started the more "assembly line"-looking NFTs was wanting to get in on the art market without really... _getting_ it. Like, "The Mona Lisa and The Girl With A Pearl Earring are art, and they're super valuable, so I made _tons_ of art, which I am now selling for tons of money, because there's only one copy I'll ever officially consider 'real'!". But the likes of the Mona Lisa aren't valuable _solely because_ they're art and there's only one real copy; they didn't _start_ as world-famous, universally-valued financial investments; they're valuable because, over the course of years, decades, or even _centuries,_ art lovers both casual and devoted have reached a _general consensus_ that these works are _technically sophisticated,_ or _thought-provoking,_ or even just plain _pretty._ The fact that there is only one "real" copy is just _part_ of the appraisal. Those cookie-cutter NFT collections seem to be starting with the cold economic assessment that "art is valuable" and working _backwards,_ creating art to stick their metaphorical pre-printed price tags on with little or no consideration for how more traditional artworks _become_ valuable.

[@adrenalinevan]

not just you, you are completely correct here

[@warron24]

Excellent comment

[@danielsimmich1858]

I mean we can charitably say that NFTs provoke thought (those thoughts mainly being contempt and disgust), but the ironic thing is that they’re completely interchangeable in that regard. A lazy monkey will trigger just as much contempt as a bored lion

[@pablovirus]

The same shit happens with most mainstream music tbh. Same recycled garbage over and over, from the lyrics to the compositions. People will consume even shit as long as it's marketable. And marketing people do know how to play their cards

[@infinitesimotel]

Just use the PrtScrn button on the keyboard and dump it to photoshop.... and have it for free!!!!!

[@dplocksmith91]

NFTs are ugly so that people won't bother downloading them.

[@steelcladCompliant]

This "NFTs help artists" thing is what pisses me off so much, when what it did is allow thieves to make money off stolen art more easily. And the only solution seems to be "make it an NFT yourself first", which obviously doesnt work for artists that died Genuine question tho, is there anything stopping someone from introducing some small modification to a piece, or cropping some part, and turning *that* into an NFT?

[@animeking1357]

I would say not since you often see people crop part of an image or edit out the artist's signature and claim the art as their own.

[@sylvainraudrant5581]

you can do an Nft of everything, including the work that has already been in Nft. there is even a Nft of all the Nft created to date. the Nft is just a receipt that says that a version of the thing belongs to you, But doesn't contain the work itself, it's just a receipt, it's as stupid as that.

[@rumfordc]

not much is going to work for artists that died

[@steelcladCompliant]

@@rumfordc Not getting their art stolen and monetized by someone else would be the bare minimum

[@rumfordc]

@@steelcladCompliant seems to me like stealing it after they're dead would be preferable to stealing it while they are still alive, no?

[@JAhz-um7gz]

“Liberating artists”, “letting artists monetize their works” One word: Commissions.

[@birchbirchwoodiii9285]

RIGHT?!

[@joe____]

I feel like this is a really two dimensional answer, as there are a lot of roadblocks and limitations that aren't immediately apparent when you say "just commision lol"

[@chocolizard678]

If these guys spent a portion of the money they would spend on commissions rather than these the commission market would be so much better.

[@TheWizardMus]

Legitimately I've commissioned artists around 10 times now, just coming across their open comms announcement on my dash on Tumblr, and every time I've done it I've been super pleased with it. It's nice being able to directly support artists I follow and maybe get a picture of a minor video game character that only I like dressed as a pirate.

[@pacifico4999]

Artists could make so they get royalties each time the NFT is resold, that makes it different from regular commissions. I'm just clarifying, I don't support NFTs for other reasons.

[@dulce-del8363]

I was being skeptical about this subject, but as soon as you mentioned qinni, I definitely felt so enraged. She was the first artist I ever followed, back then in 2015, she was and still is my inspiration, I always kept in contact with her health and art, I even commented to her several times on wishing the better. She was my childhood hero, I felt so sad, I haven't gotten over that last fish art on her insta, I and her whole community are still grieving. So as an inspiring artist, I really dislike nft but even more now.

[@yeehaw8765]

same here. without her I would have never pursued art, and she meant a lot to be as we shared the same name which was a cause of mockery throughout my life. i literally started crying at that part of the video. absolutely vile.

[@planetearth8044]

I've never heard of Qinni, but looking at her art it is some of the most beautiful art I have ever seen, and I'm definitely going to study her artstyle to see where I can improve. NFTs are sickening, vile things either made to profit or stolen, (like all things there's nuance there but it's a general trend) run by scammers and more scammers. Never buy them.

[@TowerArcanaCrow]

It's fucking vile what they did. These creatures don't deserve the acknowledgement of humanity, they're pathetic little shits with no integrity or decency

[@SharpForceTrauma]

Simple answer to a simple question: They aren't art, they're money pits. Someone figured out they could sell something that is intrinsically worth less than dog shit for a boatload of money, and all they had to do was convince new money idiots that its rare and unique and everyone will see that they own it on a website. I maintain that the best case scenario is that NFTs are money laundering schemes for criminal organizations or shady corporations. The fact that art is stolen is just the cherry on top.

[@joca_sol]

Absolutely the best take on this matter I've seen. People are really ugly on the inside and expresses it on their greedy art

[@nicchiju5151]

Honestly, the part where they talk about "liberating artists" and promoting work seems wrong to me, NFTs are made for making easy and fast money, as shown in the video, they are made quickly and produced in mass by artificial means, like it was a Flash dresing game. So it seems to me that if NFTs take over the art world, it will turn it into an industry, more than before, where the effort is minimal and you are rewarded by quantity over quality, not to talk about the art theft and the down disrespectful and scummy NFT's using dead artist. Over all I can't support NFTs in their art value, i don't care about the crypto aspect, people can do whatever they want with their money, but as an art student i'm really worried about what NFTs mean to the art community

[@FastForwardPlans]

NFT's are just a faster paced version of what has been going on in the high end of the art world for hundreds of years. They won't really change things for the typical artist, other then the fact that there is a newish way for people to make money off of stolen art.

[@nicchiju5151]

@@FastForwardPlans I mean yes, but in the high end of the art industry, names are what determine value, you need to build a name within pretentious rich people and sell your low effort or even stolled piece. Or at least that's what I understand about it, not that I researched in that matter anyways. My point is, with NFTs it seems like an easier option for regular people to get into it and at a faster pace, like a "get rich quick scheme". So my worry is that regular artists will be dragged into that. Not that i also know how easy is to get into NFTs, but I would guess it's easier than building up a name in the art industry

[@defaultuser00000]

I do digital painting, concept art and this whole NFT thing, coming together with the rest of social media really made me clear out my standing in presentation of art. I no longer upload my art online, I only share it within private art communities and with my clients. NFTs just make me feel like making my art public is not worth at all. The pleasure gained from the miniscule positive feedback, compared to feeling small next to an ass shaking video or a weird duck picture that has 500 thousand views and tens of thousands of likes is just depressingly small and I realized I was looking for approval too much. After realizing I don't actually need any public attention, approval or feedback, my pleasure in creating art has grown tenfold and there seems to be no valid reason for sharing my art with the public.

[@Ijustwatchthevids]

Considering the amount of art being stolen, this is a good move. And I'm sure more artists will do the same.

[@Tentegen]

If this doesn't sound like me....

[@CoolMintMC]

Regardless, I feel like it's EVERY ARTIST'S RESPONSIBILITY to make sure they HAVE their posted art with a CLEAR SIGNATURE & make it to where it's ideally not blocking the art, but also extremely close to the point to it so that it would be impossible to remove, ruin the artwork, & or make it obvious it was edited.

[@Mars-dw2zc]

same, i did the online posting thing for years bc i wanted to share my ideas w ppl, but it was just disheartening to always be ignored so i stopped. now i only post on my private personal account, and i can just do what i want instead of worrying if it's appealing enough

[@leilas5419]

@@CoolMintMC I want to clarify something, signatures and watermarks are really easy to remove nowadays with various tools - they do basically nothing currently in terms of preventing art theft, especially with people determined to make money off of it. As such, your statement of 'impossible to remove' is not particularly possible even with large watermarks that somewhat ruin the presentation of the art.

[@Reptile1404]

It’s interesting how NFTs have become the opposite of the Traditional Economy they were meant to represent. Instead of being artisanal goods, each one unique and hand crafted, they’re churned out representations of randomness with arbitrary value and no real way to decide their worth.

[@JS-po8oc]

I find this whole nft buisness fascinating from a philosophical perspective. In the past I have sometimes pondered if it's possible to create a piece of art that is not produced for artistic purposes at all. In the sense of, what would a genre of art look like if it, paradoxically, wasn't art. I'd say NFTs answer thar (at least the lions and apes). It is a genre of art that entirely, completely and with no and its or buts exists to make money. At no step through this process was artistic merit or beauty ever considered, it's simply a step in making money. I just find it fascinating to think about, that art which really isn't art takes the form of ugly apes and lions.

[@mrosskne]

you think art that's not art is new? never heard of kitsch?

[@JS-po8oc]

@@mrosskne I'd consider Kitsch to still be art, while it is corporate and generally lifeless, effort is still put in it to look appealing since you know, that's why companies commission it. The goal of the art is still to appear nice so an audience will buy a product. That is not the case of NFTs, which is why I find them so interesting.

[@mrosskne]

@@JS-po8oc ok so you don't know what words mean, that explains a lot

[@benaloney]

Not 100% true, artistic merit is considered, just at the most basic level and by an AI algorithm 🙄

[@FastForwardPlans]

Look into the modern art scene, a lot of it exist purely to make money and has no real effort put into it. They piggy back off of the concept of abstract art, but focus more on being low effort or weird in order to draw attention to themselves. Some amazing ideas has come out of it, but the biggest bulk of it is made purely for quick cash.

[@violetsb7000]

Your last point on human greed really sums up why I feel something wrong about it. The reason I think commissions for artist are so wonderful is because the artist helps create something that brings joy to another person, maybe even multiple, making the cost of the work worth it. They create something inspiring or help fulfill someone's vision. NFT's are only about ownership. It's not about how proud or inspired by the art you are its about how much you paid for it. Ontop of fueling greed its not at all worth the cost it takes to obtain one. Fundamentally, how is the energy that could power several homes(let alone a small country!) worth something you can't even hold in your hands? In my eyes its a tremendous waste regardless/not even including the state of our climate.

[@themedicmain369]

I completely agree.

[@lechungus1832]

Nfts are lifeless and they are only made to scam dumb rich people. Even if a nft looks really good, they still feel lifeless. I wouldn't even call it "art" The existence and the success of nfts is just baffling and stupid when you can literally commision an artist to draw anything you want with 1% of the price of a nft.

[@Empoart]

I'm losing hope in humanity when so many people just really don't care about the climate or artists anymore and only care about making tons of money, the amount of people into NFT's is just devastating to me and the fact that there's nothing I can do about it just makes me feel hopeless

[@PauloGarcia-sp5ws]

Wow, took the words from my mouth.

[@atlaskora3501]

if you think this is bad then you have no idea how bad the actual art market is, it's orders of magnitudes worse

[@rinnittt]

completely agree!!! i think there are two ways to go about it: try to ignore their existence or invest in NFTs that are actually made by hard working, skilled artists, and that you would actually like to own. that way you are actually supporting the artist and in the future may be compensated with a profit.

[@Persun_McPersonson]

@@atlaskora3501 Atleast with the actual art market you aren't tricked into making useless tokens that don't actually do anything.

[@jackbyrley6441]

The disney one being wall-e is just.... did we even watch the same movie?

[@DeathInTheSnow]

It's so funny getting this video in my feed _now_ after 97% of the value in them is gone because people caught on to them being a scam, along with blockchains.

[@MegaDerpification]

“These are things clearly not made by artists” Cut to me, a self taught artist over 11 years, silently screaming “YES. THANK YOUUUU” Screw nft makers. Scammers stealing from artists who are ACTUALLY dedicating time and effort to contribute to the art community and make a living rather than extort it for money by selling junk.

[@satanthedeceiver8142]

I feel the same! having 16 years of experience with the pencil. I would like to be the the good in all this chaos on the nft website. That website needs a genuinely good art like Yours and Mine

[@zyriuz2]

Totally agree, even tho art has always been a hobby of mine since I was a kid i guess you can count me in with 23yrs of experience with about 15 yeas being actually good when i but my soul into it.

[@satanthedeceiver8142]

@@zyriuz2 niiiceee

[@dubelan]

You sound like a salty taxi driver that is mad about new tech, cough Uber, threatening your livelihood

[@satanthedeceiver8142]

@@dubelan who?

[@bendykirby4828]

DeviantArt introduced a feature which lets artists know when their art is being resold as NFTs. One artist, RJ Palmer, had to report 29 of them in a single day, plus dozens more that popped up before and since then. The whole system is boned

[@Noahed_]

I hope other art sites follow through with the same tactic

[@PineapplePanda]

I did not know that! (glad to see that DeviantArt is still being updated, especially to help artists!)

[@Ptepsi]

Only downside is that unless you have CORE membership, each piece you upload is only protected for 3 months.

[@trox4106]

the fact that there are thousands of people who'd want to pay thousands of dollars for these actually gets me really concern about the future of humanity

[@Yora21]

They don't want them to own them. They want them to sell them at a profit. This is the bubbliest bubble that ever bubbled. Speculation on something that has no material value at all. It's just gambling at best, or a scam to grab the money of greater fools.

[@doctext-jose.e-3484]

@@Yora21 or they're rich kids who want to be cool and use daddys money to buy nfts just to be like: im so rich

[@stxllr4687]

@@doctext-jose.e-3484 Kinda doubt it. They certainly don’t act that way.

[@facumod1932]

Dont worry in reality the most of sells of nfts has been bougth for a fake account of the creator of the nft because in this way They can inflate the prive of their nfts whitout lose or gain money

[@canofsteelcan6795]

Someone already buy a selfie of dude on nft marketplace. Yeah imo the NFT is worthless

[@MooImABunny]

remember when people actually thought nft's would have any future? lol

[@bunnyfrosting1744]

I remember before I was approved for disability assistance people would make fun of me for trying to earn a living via drawing portraits, odds are those people are now completely fine with NFTs because they’re able to hop on the bandwagon lol.

[@Techy404]

Well i honestly hope your portraits make a lot of money, screw those people who were making fun of you

[@nise6699]

I hope for those people that ridiculed you to see the light and know their ways are stupid and arrogant and that they'll see guilt from doing that and be whipped endlessly until they cry mercy and be so traumatized of the punishment that they'll never do it again. Maybe the last one is a bit too much but their insults are probably as trash as NFTs themselves