#10MinuteTalk

[@andrewgagner2927]

The ol' see thru scope mount is peak Fudd, vs essentially the same, more expensive, idea being peak tacticool... always funny how things in this particular industry eventually come full circle. Thanks for the video!

[@maker_greg]

I use a piggyback dot on my prs rifle and definitely find it's faster for spotting targets at distance to then drop into magnification.

[@6Dasher]

What distance do you zero the dot at?

[@maker_greg]

@6Dasher 100 so when my turret is at zero the point of aim for the dot and scope is closer

[@cooperbruhn6547]

It’s time for a .30 carbine talk. Approximately 10 minutes.

[@GammaRayTrae]

I like the 45 offset but I use it in a 300 blackout. Lpvo for Supers and the 45 for subs

[@mcmehlen]

Same here. Two great minds think alike!

[@launchalot8745]

Right, now discuss the hunting applications! Talk me into getting a double-optic setup for driven boar hunts!

[@vendoredu]

Great discussion with practical information 👍

[@MechanicMitch]

Get us a durable and quality 2-12 that weighs 18oz or under. That would be exciting for people on scoped carbines and/or ar10’s Also, make a new 5x prism that has 1/2 moa adjustments guys lol cmon now

[@Fenster21]

You’ll never get that with illumination.

[@MechanicMitch]

@@Fenster21 mhm which is fine ya, never entered my mind to be honest

[@admmfg]

Great talk! Those are some good looking mounts and rifles!

[@maker_greg]

@@admmfg I wish we could post pics. My green ano uic15 with green delta mount and piggyback 509t is pretty sweet.

[@StaryOutdoor]

Love the vids! 2 wishes...1. Any updates on the 6.5 B.C.? Load Data with different powders, bullllllets & Primers? Different barrels, brakes or actions? 2. Create a video playlist dedicated to the 6.5 B.C. I love listening to you guys!

[@rvrski1]

Offset 35 deg mounted adjacent to the LPVO ocular end is excellent for fast transitioning when hunting hogs in quickly changing vegetation/ranges.

[@frankopanklaric]

Once again I ask: What is the point of 1x on an LPVO if you are just going to put a dot on it? Also, I find it ironic that the dot is dead when the battery goes while the reticle is there forever.

[@jamesdendy6384]

Feer has a back half cheek riser. That allows you to get a normal cheekweld using the top dot and the same cheeckweld when you really dig into the magnified optic. Solves the only drawback of the 12:00

[@T20-c8f]

Not going to lie, I just completed my dream build that took many many years of slowly purchasing to complete. It’s a 14.5 pinned block 2 SPR setup with a bunch of non clone correct parts. I put a nightforce nx8 2.5-20 f1 on it 2 years ago in a Badger condition one mount at 1.54 height. Today is my bday and I finished my setup last week with a Steiner MPS at the 12 o’clock. I haven’t shot it yet but I’ve been dry firing for everyday with it. I think it is amazing and very needed if you plan on using an adjustable parallax MPVO on your setup. It’s pretty awesome, for home defense my rifle will finally work, for finding far targets it’s nice not fiddling with the magnification and just worrying about the parallax. It’s just amazing. Is it weird being that high up with the chin weld over cheek weld? A little bit but it’s not bad at all. It’s also nice to still be able to use the dot on a bipod

[@btjones874]

Little thing I learned, and surprised it wasn't mentioned(unless i missed it in the video) but when I had a 12 o'clock rmr setup on an lpvo I was still able to accomplish the same thing as a 45 degree in the sense of maintaining a cheek weld. If you're keeping both eyes open, my rmr seeemed to line up with the opposite eye if i simply canted it like I would with a 45 degree offset.

[@ThatGuy-kf7fo]

Rmr on an Arisaka 35 degree offset mount with an Acog is sweet.

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

Good stuff. Everyone deserves a pat on the arse.

[@richardc553]

This makes me wonder, with a top-mounted red dot, do we still need the 1X magnification on LPVOs? For myself, I think a lightweight 3-6X scope (with good eye relief and eye box) plus a top-mounted red dot would be ideal 😮‍💨

[@johanaxelsson8074]

Exactly. I've moved from 1-6x to one setup with a 3-18x + top-mounted reddot on a more traditional hunting rifle and one with a 5x prism + 45 degree canted reddot on a AR-10 (where the cheek weld works great at cant). Won't go back to those small LPVOs.

[@ethanparker8062]

12 o'clock red dots should be zeroed differently than the primary optic. This is because height over bore. Both the scope and the dot being zeroed @ 50 yards will have your red dot hold overs acting all kinds of crazy because of the how high it sits. Plugging some information into a ballistic calculator will demonstrate this pretty effective, and it can also help you choose an accept zero for your red dot.

[@Americanstruggle]

I ran a 1-8 LPVO (Primary Arms) with canted, collapsible irons (Troy). It works for me

[@shawman738]

When vortex making mounts for there rings and cantilever mount?

[@jasonherrington2002]

one thing I don't think was touched on - especially with a lpvo what if your throw lever occludes the view through the red dot?

[@sprangep]

IMO, 45* wins in competition for hard left leans or shooting to your right on close targets while moving. (RH shooter). 12 wins for nearly every other use case.

[@Spc.Z]

A thought that crosses my mind. I don't recall seeing yall talk about the savage impulse. What are your thoughts on that platform?

[@sundownsaturn]

I think 45 offsets have a purpose for people using a thermal on a qd. Allows you to check zero when swapping optics, and gives you a close range optic if you have to track something into thick brush in the dark. Thermal sucks for that lol

[@MrSwan67]

We need a talk about the blaser “success” min. 1 hour

[@TheWimstoy]

You should discuss shooting and hunting with a pistol optic. Like a magnified one. Not just a dot.

[@bluemixal]

What mount are you using for the 12 o’clock rifle?

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

Good mount recommendation for mounting my magpul flip up irons at 45° from my primary lpvo? M lock handguard there pic up top full length

[@msquared9605]

Rear of receiver, front of handguard. Just like any other irons

[@562handsomemike]

If I understand you correctly, I think Magpul makes 45° pro back up sights.

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

@@562handsomemike Copy that I'd like to use my extra set of irons.

[@eriksforestryvision8751]

@@msquared9605 I want to mount them in the 9-10 o clock position not 12. Thanks

[@msquared9605]

@@eriksforestryvision8751 yeah sorry I didn’t fully catch what you were talking about. You’re gonna need to get magpul’s 45 degree offsets. I can’t think of anybody who makes an offset picatinny adapter

[@ghijkl]

is that the guy that ran the minnesota 3 gun youtube channel? he had a great review on a PWS... that i later picked up

[@justinl5305]

wish vortex made a mount that supported a 12 o'clock dot mount... 😪

[@McDanielRanch]

Red dot hood ornaments lmao u guys send me a broken one lol jk

[@562handsomemike]

How to say you work for a optics manufacturer without saying you work for an optics manufacturer. “When I used to shoot three gun I just put a red dot optic at the 45 position on both sides”

[@TheSocketshock]

Agh just bought a spitfire hd gen II. Because its comoatible with your red dots. SIKE The red dots that where compatable with the foot print are discontinued. Poo I get it but maaaaaan I dont want to spend over 100 cad to get an adapter plate imported.

[@tacocat6035]

Why is it 30min long?

[@pauleddy5146]

Larger window closed emitter multi-reticle for the on scope 12 o'clock mount please.

[@snowfa1155]

There is one already. Its called an aimpoint lol

[@TDKOUTDOORS]

100/50 respectively is the optimal zero.

[@TDKOUTDOORS]

yOu dOn'T nEeD bAcKuP iRoNs... derrrrp!

[@marcthackston2342]

Black Eleanor spotted?

[@MatthewC176]

Yup

[@mrconfidential638]

Magnified dots are for people that don't know what they are doing. The real solution here is etched reticle micro prisms (magnified or not). This solves the stigmatism many people have and is far more accurate. Depending on what the rifle will be used for a lit up lpvo with the proper reticle checks most boxes, still, than magnified red dot. Don't waste your money unless you simply want to look cool flipping the magnifier. You're welcome.

[@562handsomemike]

Thank you sooooo much!!!!!