Airplane black boxes, explained

Sometimes flight recorders are the only way the victims' families will know what happened to the plane.
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Immediately following an airplane crash anywhere in US territory, the National Transportation Safety Board dispatches a team of investigators to survey the wreckage, gather information from the airline and from air traffic control, and retrieve the plane's so-called "black boxes."
These flight recorders - one stores cockpit audio recordings, the other stores airplane instrument data - are sent to NTSB's lab in Washington, DC, for analysis. There, officials listen to what are sometimes the pilots' final, panicked moments of life. They interpret not only what the pilots were saying before the crash but also any snaps, bangs, and alarms captured by the cockpit area microphone.
By combining those audio clues with data from the plane's instruments and sensors, as well as evidence from the scene, investigators can usually determine the cause of the crash, even in cases with no surviving witnesses.
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[@MickeyD2012]

Because if they called it the Orange Box, they'd get sued by Valve.

[@rpslot]

The Original Gamer Haha, smart :)

[@CatShapedDonut]

Underated comment

[@lulumink0]

haha, dude, you played way too much Half Life.

[@Ryan-op9fx]

But some private single engine and twin engine have orange “black box” but they are not really black box they are a cheaper version of it

[@peccato]

black boxes were made before computers did

[@LucasL512]

Black box: because when you have to use it, it probably involved death.

[@geomodelrailroader]

yup and when a crash happens NTSB and NCIS are dispatched to the scene. Their goal find out why the plane crashed and recover all flight data to close the case. 900 crashes have been solved thanks to the Black Box.

[@stroo_]

Lucas L I thought it was because when you use it, it is black because it was in fire

[@dixiescents]

It is used all the time, so if you become an airline pilot, the black box is recording every word you say...

[@memories163]

@@dixiescents RIP Privacy

[@somethingelse9228]

@@memories163 However that recording is very useful in investigation

[@roycemikhail5067]

I learn more knowledge in KZbin than in School

[@ZarMulix]

You probably pay more attention on KZbin.

[@octave1]

Yup same

[@griffinnguyen945]

the sentence “i learn more knowledge” should be enough to tell you that school is important too

[@joaquinqueijo6086]

Lol sad but true

[@sksksksksksksksk9761]

i learned how to speak english using yt

[@Russia_Moscow_countryhuman]

1:52 Just imagine having your whole house shake, looking outside, and seeing that you were feet from dying.

[@aidanhancock2117]

Theres interviews from people that went through this, including people who's houses were perfectly intact, the plane having skidded to a halt inches away.

[@EnigmaHood]

Why not do both? Have the planes transmit data to a satellite and keep a flight recorder onboard in case the plane ceases transmitting data to the satellite. That way the onboard flight recorder continues recording data after data transmission has ceased.

[@notsure7663]

**Italian music plays** Small girl: Why can't we have both?

[@strider029]

Keeping expenses low as usual.

[@koolyman]

GENIUS

[@matamorosa]

idk if you realize how many flights there are per day, it's barely worth it to be partaking in this degree of transmission (that anyone technical could tap into and potentially mess with) because of the couple plan crashes that happen every year.. they can usually find the black boxes and it's likely better to invest in the technology to make them more easily locatable in the worst case scenario

[@ItsSam]

@@matamorosa Alright armchair engineer, anyone on the planet can live stream VIDEO from their phone, you make it seem like this is some alien technology when we're talking about mb's of data. There's plenty of communications with guidance satellites as it is, and that's using a lot more data than streaming a few hours of audio and swiggly lines.

[@glenthomasneville1372]

In engineering a black box is not something with a lot of inputs. It means a device where you know the inputs and outputs but don't know how the inside works.

[@worldwatcher5787]

Not ordinary death thou.

[@andyhaochizhang]

Either don't know or don't care so you don't need to consider the inner components.

[@mathru96]

This is such good content, seriously. High quality journalism and information, keep up the good work, I'm a fan.

[@deano8105]

Couldn't agree more - Job well done, Vox. :)

[@hikari105]

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[@sjwimmel]

Outside the aviation industry, a black box usually means "a unit in which an unknown process takes place". With black boxes, you only know what you put in and what came out, not what happened in there. It's often used in software and sometimes in engineering.

[@SaschaWagner]

It's exactly this. Wikipedia: "A black box is a device, object, or system whose inner workings are unknown; only the "stimuli inputs" and "output reactions" are known characteristics." In this case, maybe becaus you can't look into it without destroying it.

[@boomstick900]

So Schrodinger's cat was in a black litter box? lol

[@korakys]

The term is used inside the aviation industry too. I wouldn't expect the suits at the top to necessarily know this though as it is a slang term.

[@TechByMattB]

Never new this was a thing. Incredibly informative and entertaining. Now I remember why I subscribed to Vox in the first place.

[@itseman2]

same here! vox is the best!

[@hugomzo]

But have you ever old?

[@schlaumensch]

How have you never heard about a blackbox?

[@itseman2]

nope. haven't taught us in school. if you were to survey people going on a trip and asking them what it is and every it does, pretty confident most of em wouldn't know

[@jackwall9161]

Tech By Matt It is knew buddy

[@kiribundi]

How the hell to you make those videos? What's your process? Please make a video on this!?

[@herpderpmonkey]

journalism...

[@kiribundi]

herpderpmonkey I mean regarding the editing and software (creative process), not the research

[@kiribundi]

***** Is it easy to learn most of them? It just seems so daunting when you're on your own...

[@MrKeenun]

After Effects + Premiere Pro (or Final Cut) (Photoshop/Illustrator for graphics), you can also KZbin motion graphic tutorials for information on some of the styling in the video - good luck!

[@RagnarLothbrok1337]

try adobe after effects

[@tomoswilliams2827]

Last time I was this early England was still good at football.

[@adsonkool]

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaleeeeeeeeeeeeee

[@MrTrickproduction]

Bale is from Wales...

[@ElJackassoLoco]

+Media Crew Productions Bale scored the first goal for Wales in the Euro match against England. He wasn't saying Bale to nominate an English player but because he just had scored a goal against England :)

[@jb894]

england won doe

[@ahutch4882]

+Jorgeyy Boyy (Jorgey Boy) they only beat wale tho

[@borcolfasno3749]

You guys deserve WAY more subscribers...the amount of effort put into making these and just how well it is explained

[@iamjacobma]

Who’s here after Kobe 😢

[@SoSo-ci8su]

Jacob Macias Caballero omg me

[@brotherprophet]

Me because this helicopter not having one raises suspicion but that's just me.

[@iamjacobma]

Brother Prophet did you see the cartoon predicting the crash?

[@renatoantelo5822]

Same

[@dbclass4075]

@@brotherprophet It isn't legally required to have one. Not even small jets. Usually, only airliners are required to have one.

[@BoogsterSU2]

We should rename them Orange Boxes.

[@MsZsc]

and stuff copies of half life 2, portal, and tf2 in them

[@donovandrayton2233]

Naw man, orange IS the new black. :P

[@chris-hayes]

orange!

[@MrChangCJ]

without the alliteration, it would sound too plane..

[@Nikola16789]

Valve holds the copyright for "orange box"

[@ShutterAuthority]

Great insight! Btw why do they limit the signal strength so it only makes it through 14000 ft of water? Isn't it possible to make something which gives out a stronger signal which goes hundreds of km?

[@astrangeryouvemetontheinte8546]

A powerful beacon would most certainly risk another aspect of the box’s survivability.

[@YEETMAN-dt9mb]

Radio waves have a harder time traveling through water than air. Yes it would but it would require an incredibly powerful transmitter. Oh and its a battery and you need to cram something incredibly powerful into the size of a brick.

[@AQHackAQ]

because battery

[@YEETMAN-dt9mb]

@@griffex4417 Its actually the Challenger Deep, which is in the trench.

[@cornflakedev9950]

@@griffex4417 do you think we're talking about depth?

[@blu3380]

Got this recommended after the Sriwijaya Air airplane crashed 😞

[@yumidomino9035]

I searched for it, rip to them

[@m33a]

Poor people :(

[@ohcool8314]

Same

[@johan.mydeaf8203]

Survival zone

[@andyhaochizhang]

4:45 "black box" in engineering and science refers to a subsystem whose internal components are either unknown or irrelevant to the current application. Only the subsystem's behavior (i.e. its input/output response) is considered. That's why it's called a "black box", you don't have knowledge of the inside of the box, only the inputs and outputs.

[@maxcelcat]

Invented in my home town of Melbourne, Australia. In fact I worked at the same site where it was invented. One of those little ideas that has saved literally thousands of lives.

[@umhewwo8006]

Why am I watching this in an airport 40 minutes before my flight?

[@evanginsburg2511]

Channel txt no reply so😓

[@worldwatcher5787]

If you think might be any danger, just move 40 minutes away on the oposite direction.

[@umhewwo8006]

@@worldwatcher5787 you do realize I posted that more than a year ago

[@umhewwo8006]

@@worldwatcher5787 bit late to give that advice

[@snom3ad]

I could sit here and watch Joss Fong talk about anything for hours. Every video she has made for Vox has been inaffable, she truly is a great inspiration and role model for anyone who wants to get involved in research.

[@misusatriyo]

The name Black Box is a term where we know the input and the output of something but don't know yet how the process occur.

[@dreamlabxr5121]

Damn Vox! Back at it again with the quality content!

[@jellybeans5857]

Best video I have seen so far for Vox. Beautiful editing!

[@josefk5659]

Now that I have watched this 5.5 minute video, I must take to twitter to share my expertise.

[@terry.chootiyaa]

*Future aircraft will have live streaming of "black box" data*

[@mateuszpapla]

I'm surprised they don't have already.

[@raymaldonado1669]

Pilots always use the rudder in each and every turn.... In any aircraft the use of the rudder is to stay coordinated. The ailerons controlling bank will not suffice in coordinated turn.

[@dj13dj_official]

Ray Maldonado yeah but it’s not used as aggressively as this pilot used it

[@bodhisattvism]

this is amazing.. i learn things on this channel i wouldn't have even been interested to learn before and i'm so glad to know about it afterwards

[@billwindsor4224]

@Vox - great job on this, very informative, *thank you!*. You could produce 10 more videos on black boxes and their history with diagnosing airplane crashes, and I would definitely watch them all.

[@SoSo-ci8su]

I’m here after Kobe’s death RIP🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊01/26/2020

[@renatoantelo5822]

Same

[@iraqnewzealand]

This has nothing to do with Kobe’s death tho but still r.i.p

[@bobbarker3248]

@@iraqnewzealand yes it does, kobe's heli had no black box

[@Niker107]

Vox, is the music in the videos made by members of your team? Is it possible to get the music at the beginning of the video somewhere?

[@Vox]

we get our music from the APM Music library. The song is called "Trick or Treat" search.apmmusic.com/#albums/KPM-0656

[@GriffinStotland]

what's the music in the America's Cup video? the whole comment section is filled with questions

[@TheDirtymikenation]

that's cool you replied to a question like that, wouldn't think A big video page would

[@MoiDesbro]

Excellent video, Vox.

[@nom2568]

I was actually waiting for this Video for a long time ........ Thanks .

[@af6727]

"Say I love you Trevor, for the black box" - Denzel Washington, Flight (2012)

[@pujovski]

The design on this plane is absolutely awesome. Much better looking that what we are used to. 0:54

[@johnalbertbautista6295]

Thank You Vox Very Informative, good presentation

[@sophiaz6833]

Wow! Vox is on a roll with the uploads! Loving it!

[@lianah7837]

This incident is what made me scared of planes my whole life. Every time I hear a plane overhead I get scared that it's going to crash into me and that nowhere is safe

[@tpgslmth4252]

Pretty sure it's far far more likely to be run over by a car than hit by a plane... and even that is rather unlikely

[@lianah7837]

@@tpgslmth4252 yeah its irrational ik

[@monicarenee7949]

I was in high school in 2001 and that was a very scary time when it came to planes. Aaliyah the singer had just died in a plane crash Aug 2001, then 9/11, then this incident. I was terrified of planes. Only reason I ended up taking my first flight years later was I was forced to for work.

[@uneeversal]

This hittin different right now, RIP Kobe and everyone on board

[@rookeva8688]

uneeversal k

[@baconboiiscoolandnice]

that was a helicopter. also why no respect for gigi?

[@jayantjha3128]

@@baconboiiscoolandnice why no respect for others who died in that helicopter?

[@almahnak12]

@@jayantjha3128 cuz there irrelevant jk.

[@jayantjha3128]

@@almahnak12 statistically speaking, there are more people in the world who didnt knew kobe than who knew kobe. So he was irrelevant too

[@DLX_Pilot]

Thanks for getting the aviation terms and concepts right! Great video!

[@Habbo1MagicApple]

i love this channel such good content so well presented!

[@luisniebla5517]

Can we just make this a Joss Fong channel? she's the best!

[@Jcmprofessional]

The cockpit voice recorder was invented in Australia!

[@CosmopolitanXMan]

Blackbox, that I learned at a technology university in the Netherlands, means that it is dark black that you don't know what processes are happening inside the box to process inputs and to give outputs. You give inputs to the blackbox and you get outputs coming out from the box. Now since it is black or a box that contains a mystery or unknown processes you need to find out what's happening inside the box that can explain the relationships between the inputs and the outputs. In reality, the box colour is orange because it needs to be easy to find after an accident.

[@David994]

You make such great and well made videos!

[@DanZhukovin]

This reminds me of that line by Chris Rock in "Down To Earth" "How come every time an airplane crash, all they can ever find is the black box? Why don't they just make the whole plane out of the black box?"

[@donaldhobson8873]

Make the boxes float so they are easier to find.

[@SneedChuck100]

YOU'RE A GENIUS!! (major sarcasm)

[@seabb]

To do that, the material the black box is made out of would have to be very light as well as very durable, and steel and titanium aren't exactly buoyant. There are very few light and strong materials out there able to withstand extreme force and heat, and even if such a material exists, it probably wouldn't be cost-effective to put one on every plane everywhere. And there's still the matter of the computer components storing information. We don't yet have the technology to make those lightweight yet.

[@donaldhobson8873]

Boats are made out of steal and float. Make a heavy titanium outer layer and fill the inside with air. (or polystyrene so a leak doesn't sink it.)

[@thomasjbrablec]

You're still not considering the fact that these things are INSIDE the plane, not on the outer shell ready to be detached once they're in the water. When a plane crashes, there are usually large chunks of plane instead of a million tiny pieces. These planes are stable, not made of glass. The box couldn't just magically float out of rubble, it has to be attached well.

[@hedgehog3180]

Donald Hobson If you make it that big it would lose structural intregrity.

[@MsZsc]

this brings me back to all those episodes of Mayday, I should start watching it again.

[@abacajanchristianreyc.8770]

I love this Channel , I learned a lot.

[@picklessour4615]

i'm no expert. but logically i think in the past the "black box" was originally colored black. But they had to change the color to a much more highlighted/vibrant color to ease the search for the so called black box in the rubble. Just a thought. :p

[@grumfeldvanderspooijwanker1627]

You're right, you aren't an expert.

[@codedlulu8821]

The box is orange it just identity's as black

[@brianwyters2150]

"Orange is the new black"tv show.

[@russ_bus4269]

@@brianwyters2150 black is the new orange

[@cherno451]

Your videos are amazing 👍👍

[@CurveTheRain]

Was just looking for videos on this yesterday!

[@Partyfreaker]

Also if the data is streamed in realtime, AI servers can detect if the pilot has done something unusual (like setting one of the engines to idle in case of a possible engine failure) and report it back to someone below and communicate to the pilots when a pan / mayday or critical flights are detected. That can solve probably most of human caused crashes.

[@vonigner]

I still don't understand how they don't have GPS tracking, just to know where the place was last found... I mean, this way they're not off by 500km!

[@itzdilpickle3679]

obviously you don't know what your talking about, let me explain. A GPS, by definition is used to position the plane by triangulate the position using satellites. This requires a transponder in the aircraft, which by the way exists. This means when the plane crashes the GPS stops working. Before you say it, no the tower can not always see the plane. There is a lot of airspace that is only towered by center or radar services.

[@cal629195]

They do. They go with ELT, sending fixed radio signals when submerged in water or under strong impact, signal toe be received by IMARSAT.

[@acsysin]

I love Vox so much because their videos have such clean editing and the content is worth watching

[@DiloConHelio]

Excellent job. Your development is elegant, simple and straight. My only nitpick would be to attach sources and references in favor of those who wish to track further. In any case, thank you for the information.

[@lunarservant6781]

“but, why do they call it a black box if it isn’t even black-“ *last part of video* “-ohhhhhh”

[@Jim89M]

3:20 "no two airplane accidents are the same".. Boeing 737 MAX: hold my jet fuel..

[@ShadowCammando24]

The modern Black Boxes were invented by David Warren. He came up with the idea shortly after investigating the Commet crash of 1953. Without this brilliant man’s ingenuity many aviation accidents would have gone unsolved. Because of his invention many tragedies involving commercial aviation have been solved and have drastically made air travel one of the safest forms of transportation in the world. We owe a great debt to this man for his work. ❤️

[@darapuharishankar]

Very well explained @vox

[@Vempsterful]

Did you guys make this video and then waited for the black box in the Mediterranean sea to be found, because it was found, moments after you posted this video, it's just a real honest, non criticising question people don't get hurt.

[@Vox]

it was a coincidence. i started looking into this topic when the plane crashed and published the video when we finished it. however, it is not at all unusal for news organizations to try to publish things when they expect the most people will be interested in them -joss

[@Vempsterful]

Vox Thanks, please make a video of all religions and how it contradicts western values law and morals.

[@TheRookyMarky]

+Nathan Warrington The question is. Does Vox have the balls?

[@diegofu1]

+Vox Good video anyways.

[@hamzaniazi3211]

+Nathan Warrington well the problem is that religion itself is part of Western laws and values. sooo yeah ur question is just plane dumb

[@nbrandon]

What this reminds me of xD - Stan Walker - Black Box

[@micr0514]

Great explanation!

[@doingnothing3712]

this is my favourite video so far!

[@curtino114]

They didn't even mention who invented the black box. It was invented by the Australians btw.

[@nethenx6914]

Not important

[@buttertones]

Literally nobody cares

[@thepigcast9185]

cool video

[@Mapledisco]

Nice Vox. Nicely explained. I watch this show called Mayday that explains Plane crases and their investigations. This provides some interesting facts. Love ur channel and keep up the good work!!

[@francishwang2756]

Love this channel :)

3:08 god she's beatiful!

[@twotimes2648]

Your a simp

[@jjt171]

"God, what a handsome man!" - said nobody ever

[@micahtshibangu7402]

Just a Tiger thing be the first

[@quadraticequation8196]

The black box is orange.

[@stevejohnson4637]

Does this mean that valve’s orange box is black?

[@neilmarceau5980]

These videos are great!

[@alhdlakhfdqw]

great vid TQ very much!

[@akkoyu123]

why is it called a black box if its orange?

[@Vox]

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[@akkoyu123]

oh wow, I totally missed that. thanks

[@nicholasntaganda3768]

Because orange is the new black

[@wilsonwalker7107]

ooooOoooOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!!!

[@akkoyu123]

lmao, good one

[@boxed_in4357]

Humans: Were gonna call this the *BlackBox* Blackbox's color: I'm gonna end this mans whole career

[@bowlofpasta8846]

When you can't think of anything funny or original to say so you use a worn out meme that has nothing to do with the rest of the text along with a small gag mentioned in the video

[@KushPatel]

What's really cool is that for MH17, they were able to use the different locations of the 4 cockpit mics to triangulate the location of detonation of the missile relative to the cockpit. Essentially, the sound waves would hit each mic at a measurable different time.

[@hamsterconsumer9111]

Watching videos like these always make me nervous for no appearant reason..

[@kurobushi7746]

3:08 she's a cutie

[@awhahoo]

Glanced no. dont do this.

[@Johnny-vd9qw]

Why

[@supersillysammy272]

Dawg 🗿

[@aflaxnews5264]

Got Recommended this days after *kobe Bryant's death* is some thing I can't call it coincidence

[@vampfahad7635]

a professor once told me that the term black box means that input goes in the box gets processed which doesn't matter how and produce output, whatever happens during the process in the box doesn't matter so we call it a black box.

[@CatfishCameras]

This reporter is next-level. She makes videos that are both entertaining and fascinating.

[@fluffed_coyote1487]

But you can fly a plane w/o a vertical stabalizer, it's just facking hard

[@Brokenrocktail]

It's impossible once you depart from the envelope of controlled flight.. Practically speaking it isn't possible

[@masonmtb7]

Evan Johnson well JAL flight 123 managed to control the aircraft for over half an hour without the rear stabilizers

[@leoduy4182]

why not use the cloud?

[@MrChangCJ]

i read somewhere on quora last time that costs of transmitting the massive amount of data are really high. But given the costs required to search and recover the box, i dont know why this is still a thing.

[@spookylemon4947]

You probably wouldn’t get a secure signal so high up in the air.

[@TungstenWu]

Vox I love your videos! Thank you for making such great content!

[@virginianative847]

I like these informative videos. The more you know! KNOWLEDGE IS POWER (I’m gassed).

[@callumprice4096]

4 8 15 16 23 42

[@skettlesfart]

what?

[@Shin-lh9ih]

This is code?

[@vincent7603]

Wake turbulence.

[@PilotStudiosChannel]

Well, pilot error due to improper training by American Airlines which took place due to wake turbulence.

[@vincent7603]

PilotStudios Channel oh wasnt it something to do with the rudder design as well? There was meant to be a limiter for the rudder angle in flight or something?

[@Vox]

here's the full NTSB report www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR0404.pdf They address the design issue -- not a deficiency or flaw exactly, but a mismatch between the sensitivity of the rudder system and the training pilots received about that system.

[@vincent7603]

SENPAI NOTICED ME! - Thanks for the link haha

[@maxff123]

ive flown remote control and real planes, and his use of the rudder was astonishingly bad, especially as the rudder is almost exclusively used for landing only on commercial planes.

[@jshwau]

WTF THIS CHANNEL IS SO INFORMATIVE!!LOVE THISS

[@Infinity9_]

Idk why but to me black boxes look like inhalers LMFAO

[@Tyrannosaurus_Wrexx]

Serious (and probably dumb) question; and my ex has asked me this before: why isn't black box info just "saved in the cloud", rather than in actual physical recorders? That way, info can't be lost at the bottom of the ocean, destroyed by fire, etc.

[@Asidders]

Well watch this video then, ya slughead.

[@martinn5655]

It’s difficult to maintain a high bandwidth connection to the internet 30,000ft in the air everywhere in the world.

[@jasmeetsingh6121]

skip to the end

[@bananya6020]

haha lets wait for 100000 mile ethernet cords first

[@walkwithme]

do we have any information on the narrator? The person who was holding the airplane?

[@xCaptxCrunchx]

idk but she is Bae

[@walkwithme]

xCaptxCrunchx facts.... we need a name or IG or something... VOX WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!

[@heronmyer3780]

google "vox joss"

[@Kyjinn]

her name is joss fong

[@ar_xiv]

creep

[@DMSProduktions]

That's AUSSIE ingenuity for you!

[@OlinScharm95]

There are 2 types of people on this planet: Those who deserve to live and those who hit dislike on a Vox video

[@InForTheLonghaul]

Maybe they can start generating electricity from the saltwater, powering the FDR and the CVR's beacon indefinitely.

[@that_llama_in_a_tuxedo4584]

That's incredibly dumb. That adds weight and cost. Airplanes need to stay as light as possible and adding a way to make power isn't necessary except in very rare instances.

[@InForTheLonghaul]

That_llama_in_a_tuxedo Well, when a very rare instance happens and 400 families are left waiting for years, don't you think you'd want to give yourself a better chance at locating the wreck?

[@billyleask]

You wouldn't be able to generate it indefinitely, as you would need two types of metal for the anode and the cathode. One of these would almost certainly corrode. But it would generate power for a certain amount of time, which may help in some cases.

[@hedgehog3180]

Billy Leask Would it be enough though? And also how can we be sure that this would survive the crash and not expose vital parts?

[@thesupertendent8973]

MH 370.. We're so sorry. (We gave up) :[

[@someaustraliandude200years8]

I learn more on KZbin in 10 minutes than what a teacher teaches me in a month

[@howardwu8406]

Godbless and rip to those who lost their lives in the two MAX plane crashes

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hi hihi rip

[@hoardlguh2548]

rip 🙏🙏

[@wuhaowern3097]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@sent4dc]

Are you kidding me, Space-X can broadcast video feed from their rockets flying in space and we can't feed data in real time from aircraft on Earth. What century is the civil aviation flying in?

[@AnmlPeeweeIsHere]

sent4dc Well there are a lot of aircraft flying globally. We'd need more stations and or we can use more satellites to monitor these planes real time. Im not sure how it would work but im certain its because of the amount of data that would have to be monitored just by one plane alone would be a lot, imagine over 5000.

[@AnmlPeeweeIsHere]

sent4dc We'd have to have more people and more computers monitoring the data. Maybe we can devise a computer system that interprets data amd alerts personnel of any abnormality. A very basic idea but it can be a start to build upon.

[@sent4dc]

@@AnmlPeeweeIsHere Well, so what that we have a lot of aircraft? It will obviously be a paid option that commercial airline companies will have to cough up some dough for. The government will probably have to launch a satellite or two to provide the data coverage over some distant areas in the Pacific and Indian oceans, but it's all doable. I'm really shocked that it hasn't been done already. As for the amount of data, then you would be surprised how much information one can put into just a few kilo-bytes of binary data. (Stuff like plane's unique ID, UTC timestamp of transmission, X-Y-Z: GPS coordinates of the plane + altitude, amount of fuel, other vital plane telemetry, last speech-to-text transcription from within the cockpit, etc.) So the on-board telemetry computer will record all this data and continuously transmit it, say once every minute or so. (Over time the frequency can be increased.) Such telemetry computer should have its own independent power supply and have a tamper-protection, and ideally be totally isolated from reach from within the plane itself. (Ideally located in such a place so that it was physically impossible to get to it while plane is in the air -- say, in the vertical stabilizer or underneath the fuselage. Such measure may be needed to prevent deliberate tampering with that transmitter by someone from the plane crew.) Also obviously such transmission should be properly encrypted and authenticated so that some rogue nation or terrorists weren't able to abuse it. Also keep the bulk of this data in the flight recorder. That's fine. It can be quickly retrieved once the last known plane location is obtained from the last data transmission. As for not having enough people to monitor it -- they don't have to monitor anything. All they need to do is store it. NSA style. (And storage is very cheap these days.) And only if the problem arises later on, they can retrieve the needed data and analyze it for a specific plane, for certain date and time. IDK, all this sounds like a no-brainer in 2019.

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sent4dc Interesting. This is actually the first time I've seen this suggested, so i would love to see an idea like this implemented. It is surely a step to make flying safer than it already is

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@@AnmlPeeweeIsHere thanks. That's the whole idea.

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