The secret rhythm behind Radiohead's "Videotape"

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@pockit5107
@pockit5107 7 жыл бұрын
I can only imagine how frustrating this song is to play live when you have thousands of people clapping to the piano..
@Secretlyanothername
@Secretlyanothername 4 жыл бұрын
People who sing along... they pay $100 to listen to someone, then sing over them like they're in the shower. They disgust me.
@seanmatthewking
@seanmatthewking 4 жыл бұрын
Lol calm down
@Cargo_Bay
@Cargo_Bay 4 жыл бұрын
@@Secretlyanothername you seem fun
@Cargo_Bay
@Cargo_Bay 4 жыл бұрын
prolly not. Most people have the in-ear monitors and it kind of tunes out the crowd and has the music go to their ears
@bsegovia23
@bsegovia23 4 жыл бұрын
Secretlyanothername the Japanese wait for not interrupt concerts. It’s nice and you can hear everything, buts it’s a boring show.
@khetaglagkuev6001
@khetaglagkuev6001 3 жыл бұрын
So Radiohead basically created something that they are secretly hearing differently than their audience, so they are the only ones who know the real song. That’s just beautiful
@kiiro712
@kiiro712 2 жыл бұрын
No, when the drums kick in at 1:20 of the album version, you hear the syncopation too
@nge1301
@nge1301 2 жыл бұрын
@@kiiro712 not really, that snare-kick does not help much to disambiguate the down beat from the offbeat. Especially because the kick goes with the piano.
@koiyujo1543
@koiyujo1543 2 жыл бұрын
exactly it's amazing
@tomsxe
@tomsxe 2 жыл бұрын
@@nge1301 you can feel it at 1:20, and specially at 3:10
@julioricardo2415
@julioricardo2415 Жыл бұрын
And made easy listening a 10/4 time signature with Everything....Just a Beautifull talent
@stitchgrimly6167
@stitchgrimly6167 4 жыл бұрын
The most profound thing for me is that the syncopation gives the effect of gasping for one last breath, but only the performer - ie. the dying person - is aware of it. The outside world just sees regular breathing and pulse. Only the gasper feels the gasp.
@jeffgoble9206
@jeffgoble9206 7 жыл бұрын
Radiohead's music is so interesting that you can make a 10 minute long music theory analysis of that one time Thom Yorke made a mistake.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Another 38 minute video, too
@billhicks8
@billhicks8 7 жыл бұрын
But this isn't even a big deal. There are syncopated, irregular rhythms in all kinds of songs. There are loads of interesting things Radiohead has done in their music that are far more interesting than this.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
That's not what this video is saying though, that it's syncopated. It's about how the syncopation is totally buried in the album and later versions, but the band still hears it fast and syncopated.
@Datpleb
@Datpleb 7 жыл бұрын
Warren, does that mean the syncopation isn't even there anymore but they act as if it were?
@jeffgoble9206
@jeffgoble9206 7 жыл бұрын
Debora A the syncopation is still there, but they eliminated the downbeats beats that make it easier to hear. The music is still framed around it which is why they have to make sure they all "feel" it correctly before they start. They do what's called "subdividing", which basically means feeling a faster portion of the beat. It helps the band stay together and adds a forward energy to the song.
@Carlos-ln8fd
@Carlos-ln8fd 7 жыл бұрын
Those crappy cell phone recordings of concerts are finally useful!
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Hahaha right?
@jaywonlee1436
@jaywonlee1436 7 жыл бұрын
Carlos haha yeah, cellphones back in the 90's sucked.
@GoLDnTRiXX
@GoLDnTRiXX 7 жыл бұрын
BTW theres a version with the crap video but good audio.
@scyhte82
@scyhte82 7 жыл бұрын
also cellphones in the 90's didnt record videos. :D
@dundee6402
@dundee6402 5 жыл бұрын
Jaywon Lee 90s? Huh
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown 6 жыл бұрын
So, essentially, they're essentially playing to a muted drummer in their heads which only they hear -- delivering something that sounds darker and more-detached to the listener but which is brighter and more-engaged in their own minds?!
@ChristianNelsonn
@ChristianNelsonn 5 жыл бұрын
That's the gist of it, yeah. It's actually kind of beautiful when you think about it. The song is about death, or more specifically, about a dying man saying goodbye to his loved ones. It's sad because, you know, it's a dying man's last message to loved ones, but he doesn't quite feel that way. *_"Because I know today has been the most perfect day I've ever seen."_* He doesn't feel sad, he feels glad. Brings a whole new perspective to the song's double identity. God, I love songs that tell a story.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 5 жыл бұрын
WELL PUT
@andrewd2534
@andrewd2534 4 жыл бұрын
No they're playing between the notes it's not that that complicated vox always exaggerate
@justanotherfishinbikinibot6060
@justanotherfishinbikinibot6060 4 жыл бұрын
i think that’s why they chose to use syncopation in it. it’s one thing to create a great song, but to actually use musical themes to express the idea is another. i think it’s genius.
@stitchgrimly6167
@stitchgrimly6167 4 жыл бұрын
Essentially.
@dearmrfrodo
@dearmrfrodo 7 жыл бұрын
now tell me are you rushing or are you dragging?
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Great movie.
@bswinn97
@bswinn97 7 жыл бұрын
Rushing just a hair
@gregoryswift9573
@gregoryswift9573 7 жыл бұрын
lol
@TheBogski
@TheBogski 7 жыл бұрын
dearmrfrodo not quite my tempo
@StreetHierarchy
@StreetHierarchy 7 жыл бұрын
Neither Russian nor dragon
@GeneralBlaguin
@GeneralBlaguin 5 жыл бұрын
Easy... can we talk about Pyramid Song now ?
@dungeonmasterblaster5600
@dungeonmasterblaster5600 5 жыл бұрын
Riiiiight?!
@okcomputera9647
@okcomputera9647 5 жыл бұрын
Pyramid Song, AKA 3+3+4+3+3=5
@DarfinxCore
@DarfinxCore 5 жыл бұрын
Pyramid Song is in 4/4. What you perceive as quarter notes are actually dotted rhythms.
@literallyjustmyname2353
@literallyjustmyname2353 5 жыл бұрын
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@archologyzero
@archologyzero 5 жыл бұрын
@@okcomputera9647 Yeah Pyramid is actually really simple, and in 4/4.
@GroupConglomerate
@GroupConglomerate 5 жыл бұрын
This video reminded me that I really don't know anything about music. Lol
@crieverytim
@crieverytim 4 жыл бұрын
they really make this much more difficult than it is
@stitchgrimly6167
@stitchgrimly6167 4 жыл бұрын
They're trying to make it seem like some grand genius undertaking was made but it's extremely simple and utilises jazz techniques that have been around for ages (and again, aren't complex). This is about getting views. All songs have tricks we could blow out of proportion if we wanted.
@LocalManMakesMusic
@LocalManMakesMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry neither does Vox. There is a ton of laughable nonsense in this video if you do know what they are talking about.
@user-wx8mi1pd6g
@user-wx8mi1pd6g 3 жыл бұрын
@@LocalManMakesMusic classically trained guy here, what was wrong here?
@Mercury574
@Mercury574 8 ай бұрын
You don't need to, music is music
@responsibilitytoawe
@responsibilitytoawe 6 жыл бұрын
I’m tired of watching old videos, why aren’t you guys making anything like this anymore? this is an amazing work.
@BeatrizLopes-hx2qn
@BeatrizLopes-hx2qn 2 жыл бұрын
yessssss😢
@Erin-000
@Erin-000 Жыл бұрын
Still yes
@adxthree4199
@adxthree4199 Жыл бұрын
Just my 2, but it might be due to the devaluation of music content across nearly all platforms
@jack-uv6mt
@jack-uv6mt Жыл бұрын
why are you watching a video you watched already lol
@responsibilitytoawe
@responsibilitytoawe Жыл бұрын
@@jack-uv6mt don't you watch movies again and again sometimes because they're that good? 😉
@maakenx
@maakenx 5 жыл бұрын
why does Vox have to be so extra, instead of just clapping they pull out a $150 sampler to do the clapping
@Diamond_Tiara
@Diamond_Tiara 5 жыл бұрын
they are americans, they like to clap a lot.
@thegoodguy44
@thegoodguy44 4 жыл бұрын
@@Diamond_Tiara they like to applaud themselves endlessly.
@averyprice9422
@averyprice9422 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@supercoolyoutubename
@supercoolyoutubename 4 жыл бұрын
If you have it, might as well use it
@matturner6890
@matturner6890 4 жыл бұрын
because their rhythm was that bad
@profaneuprising
@profaneuprising 6 жыл бұрын
Musicians are downplaying the video because syncopation is nothing new. True, I play music for decades and I get that. But the tricky part here is having no clue to the downbeat through the entire song and singing on top of it. Of course, nothing impossible for a seasoned musician on a studio, but it can become very risky for a live performance.
@boozalm3715
@boozalm3715 6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter...He sings in time with his chords...so there's no confusion.
@TheSquareOnes
@TheSquareOnes 6 жыл бұрын
@@boozalm3715 Not quite, some lines start in unison with the piano and some lines start off it so either way you want to think about where the chords are hitting he still has to feel the syncopation. Given that even talking while playing is an acquired skill that can take a lot of practice even a "simple" song like this can be difficult to sing (keeping in mind that he probably wants to be perfectly locked in to give the best performance rather than just phoning it in and being "close enough") if you're having an off night.
@boozalm3715
@boozalm3715 6 жыл бұрын
@@TheSquareOnes I see comments like this on the piano only version...I'm mostly talking about that one since i listen to that.
@TheSquareOnes
@TheSquareOnes 6 жыл бұрын
@@boozalm3715 That's what I'm talking about too, his vocals don't uniformly match the piano.
@inlonging
@inlonging 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@RafaelJoseBurgos
@RafaelJoseBurgos 7 жыл бұрын
Not quite my tempo.
@Vox
@Vox 7 жыл бұрын
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@RafaelJoseBurgos
@RafaelJoseBurgos 7 жыл бұрын
OMG you repplied. Is the best thing that happened in this year so far in my average venezuelan life.
@daniellevy1703
@daniellevy1703 7 жыл бұрын
That and the people's revolution.
@CodyAlushin
@CodyAlushin 7 жыл бұрын
Replied with a quirky gif, even! Vox is on the ball.
@bryanlilib
@bryanlilib 7 жыл бұрын
This made my day
@patcupo
@patcupo 7 жыл бұрын
It's a specific type of syncopation called "anticipation". All of these smart musicians and no one mentioned that the piano chords anticipate beats 1 and 3 by an 1/8th note. It's what gives the song that forward momentum. Also, if you just heard the piano chords alone and clapped along with them, you wouldn't be wrong. In order to use syncopation, you need something else to syncopate against. From the listener's perspective, the piano is the steady beat, the drums enter and sound like they're syncopated against the piano, but then there's suddenly a point when the piano is actually syncopated against the drums. It's a jarring effect, a big switch, but it's definitely not the first time it's been used. Listen to an Afro-Cuban tumbao bass line by itself and try to find the downbeat. All antici ....... pation.
@makkapetanovic6838
@makkapetanovic6838 7 жыл бұрын
Patrick Cupo Any syncopation with focus on the upbeats is going to anticipate those beats you were talking about tho? I don't see how you can have syncopation on the upbeats without that
@patcupo
@patcupo 7 жыл бұрын
mak kapetanovic I see what you're saying. You can have the opposite though, a delayed attack. Those four piano chords would just be half notes on beats 1 and 3 but they're anticipated. But they could have been delayed an 1/8 note on the ands of 1 and 3.
@jackdiller9087
@jackdiller9087 7 жыл бұрын
Patrick gets it.
@MARSBELLA1
@MARSBELLA1 7 жыл бұрын
Is the drummer in this band frustrated then? Someone just asked me that?
@patcupo
@patcupo 7 жыл бұрын
Radiohead's drummer? I doubt he's frustrated. He's an awesome musician and I'm sure he can handle it.
@cheesecakelasagna
@cheesecakelasagna 5 жыл бұрын
The outro should've been just the entire video 9:48
@pricesmith8450
@pricesmith8450 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@pricesmith8450
@pricesmith8450 5 жыл бұрын
Saved me time
@coffee5736
@coffee5736 5 жыл бұрын
fr
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 5 жыл бұрын
LOL
@averywiese5529
@averywiese5529 4 жыл бұрын
thank you
@superomelet2897
@superomelet2897 7 жыл бұрын
I found it to be an odd choice to put together a ten minute video on this song without focusing on the second half of the recorded version, where the percussion changes and the rhythmic complexity is most evident.
@jonathanpalmquist4894
@jonathanpalmquist4894 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, thank you! I made a video that shows this because so many people are coming away from this still not able to hear the displaced rhythm: /watch?v=7M7FRpvUf8M
@Darel13712
@Darel13712 7 жыл бұрын
But you are wrong there. Your 4 is the actual 1. And vox's 1 is the actual 4 when they show where to clap lol. They showed places to clap before the piano while they should be after. Listen to the guy in the end of the video to get it right.
@grtrukat9360
@grtrukat9360 5 жыл бұрын
Limelight by rush is a far better example
@redlion145
@redlion145 5 жыл бұрын
I know this is late, but you should check out the original video warrenmusic put out about this track. It's like 30 minutes (they referenced it here in the Vox video) but he does go into detail on the second half of the studio version and how it reveals the syncopation later in the song. I think they ignored it here for the sake of the journalistic narrative. Vox have got to tell a story, not post a 30 minute diatribe about a single song. It's part of their brand (and why they have so many subscribers) that they can broach more subjects in a lighter manner than people like Warren, who actually study and teach specific subjects, in this case music.
@nmikloiche
@nmikloiche 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a drummer so I understand how super interesting syncopation is when added to a song. What makes Videotape so god damn crazy is that the song opens and is built on the syncopated beat. Most often syncopation is an element added by the drummer or the bass player to add a bit of interest to the song, and is only played for a short time, like in the bridge leading up to the chorus or in a break. Loved this video and I'm still trying to find the beat myself. The audience clapping on what they think is the 2 and 4 of the measure is really what is making it most difficult.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
That's right on! You can hear it in my syncopated version over on my Twitter profile @warrenlain if you are so inclined!
@Urbanmystic123
@Urbanmystic123 6 жыл бұрын
One name...Stewart Copeland
@joelcoool
@joelcoool 6 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about syncopation is everywhere
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 6 жыл бұрын
ThunderHawk606 then why did Phil struggle for two years to find the downbeat?
@joelcoool
@joelcoool 6 жыл бұрын
WARRENMUSIC because it's a confusing riff? I'm not sure what that has to do with anything
@josephwright4222
@josephwright4222 5 жыл бұрын
“No ones watching this video anymore” “Probably”
@cfloster
@cfloster 7 жыл бұрын
Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3
@TheWhynaut
@TheWhynaut 6 жыл бұрын
As a musician it does somewhat aggravate me when people clap on 1 and 3 because clapping imitates the typical snare. Yet, I have come to appreciate the power that a well placed clap on 1 and 3 can present. It's all about knowing what to do and when, there are no absolutes in music- just what sounds good.
@iximusic
@iximusic 3 жыл бұрын
This video inspired me to start my KZbin channel, years later. Just wanted to say thank you. This is so well done and such an enlightening subject. I remember my mind being blown. I always felt like Thom's vocal's rhythm and the drum elements that come in near the end felt really weird. I remember rushing to my drum kit and playing along to Videotape with a backbeat on the actual beats and it was like seeing this beautiful jewel from a new angle for the first time. I like listening to this song now with two different downbeats.
@candycane3739
@candycane3739 2 жыл бұрын
That's really cool! I'm glad the video helped you in that way!!! For me, it helps in a different way. I know nothing about the way music actually works, music theory, and the terms used. I took music class in HS but it was a pretty poorly funded school and the class taught nothing interesting to me, but the video actually explains things easily unlike the daunting tutorials I've watched where I had no idea what they were saying. I've always dreamt of making my own songs, but never had the knowledge, skill and practice to make it happen. This video isn't revolutionary per se, but it's really helping to open up the possibilities in my head. I just love that feeling when everything clicks in music, the eye-openers that broaden your horizons and just make things seem a little more magical. Best of luck to you and your music journey!
@psychotogether5114
@psychotogether5114 Жыл бұрын
Love your channel!!!
@JulioAvalos3000
@JulioAvalos3000 7 жыл бұрын
You had me at Radiohead.
@mauriciolinares9295
@mauriciolinares9295 7 жыл бұрын
This kind of syncopation is not so weird or complex for musicians. In my opinion this song is brilliant because syncopation goes perfectly with the emotions that the lyrics convey. The song is about someone that is about to die (or even dying in that moment) and is recording a final message. This person knows he/she is going to die and its heart is trying to catch the pulse to keep on living, the same way the piano tries to go with the rhythm, but goes "behind" it.
@yasmin_thelight6789
@yasmin_thelight6789 6 жыл бұрын
Mauricio Linares yesss ❤️
@phoenixdavida8987
@phoenixdavida8987 6 жыл бұрын
Great. I love Radiohead but everything after 2003 I'm like not as partial to. But this is great. My boyfriend of 12 years just died out of no where (kinda) and this song is great. Your explanation is the best.
@brown9671
@brown9671 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah there was no swing or anything, this isn’t that crazy
@dalex7777
@dalex7777 5 жыл бұрын
Mauricio Linares This is why I love Radiohead. I am sad for people who don’t understand their music. Radiohead is the Mozart of our day.
@squirlmy
@squirlmy 5 жыл бұрын
"trying to catch the pulse..." But doomed to never catch it. THAT'S the kicker. If the piano caught up at the end it would be a happy ending, maybe an entirely different song, a song of redemption. It is the fact that it doesn't catch up that makes me cry! Devastating!
@borp6912
@borp6912 6 жыл бұрын
I was at that Bonnaroo show!! I feel an inkling of significance now!!
@youdbettertube
@youdbettertube 6 жыл бұрын
The real hero is the guy who shushes the shrieking girl at 5:40 lmao
@youdbettertube
@youdbettertube 5 жыл бұрын
@@ripelivejam wat
@Dogscatsbikes
@Dogscatsbikes 5 жыл бұрын
ripelivejam incel?
@ISuckOffCops
@ISuckOffCops 5 жыл бұрын
ripelivejam found the incel
@pre-packaged_9692
@pre-packaged_9692 5 жыл бұрын
@@SamS-fq5yw Even funnier, listen closely, it's a chick doing the shushing
@farinheit2celsius
@farinheit2celsius 4 жыл бұрын
Why wominz no gip me vagene
@TheMusehobo
@TheMusehobo 5 жыл бұрын
The best version of this song is neither of the versions mentioned here. It’s the solo Thom version on From the Basement.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 3 жыл бұрын
I mention this in my original video essay! The click track is so audible in that version...
@marinathegirl28
@marinathegirl28 2 жыл бұрын
@@warrenmusic I watched this vox video about two years ago, and then went on to listen your Radiohead videos.... I didn't listen to them prior to that... you converted me... mind you I'm 36 yo and had a chance to listen to them this whole time.. they just where not on my radar- you put them there and I just wanted to say thanks!
@Odrox
@Odrox 2 жыл бұрын
Listen how he starts the first chords. Very easily noticable rhythmic change.
@kalaiselvi5505
@kalaiselvi5505 7 жыл бұрын
Ok, After reading few comments I see lots of people who know music or musicians themselves are not impressed. But as someone who doesn't understand the nuances of music, this was really enjoyable and interesting for me. I didn't know about syncopation or the brain waves thing and I still struggle to understand what they are talking about with the '&' and 1/4, 1/8 and 1/16. This got me interested to may be try learning about sheet music. Maybe I am their demographic lol
@RojazzBG
@RojazzBG 7 жыл бұрын
So I have a degree in music and I teach music. Everything said in this video is hyper-over-complicated. And, imo, this whole thing is completely wrong - a rabbit holr of over-intellectualized music theory.
@RojazzBG
@RojazzBG 7 жыл бұрын
W de Vries I doknt care that you don't care :)
@JLX5
@JLX5 7 жыл бұрын
RojazzBG thank you!! Finally someone with ears...
@abnormallynormal8823
@abnormallynormal8823 7 жыл бұрын
Mr. Problematic it... it is though.....
@YTbeber
@YTbeber 7 жыл бұрын
Too bad. 2 mn with an experienced musician AND good teacher, and normally the thing is clear. (Then it needs some time to become familiar with it, ok). It has to do first with a body perception as a walker or dancer. This gives clear reference points in the rhythm. Then, it is about the way we "measure", cut (in 2? 3? 4?...) the flow of events inside those milestones (your foot stomping). Keep searching :), count, ... but have fun first. Music, like poetry, is something that looses its qualities when explained.... though you can analyse and describe some of its tricks, which can be useful but also kills something. Our brothers in India, Africa, and also Afro-Cuban music for instance, really dont care about all these mathematics, they just sing the stuff and then play it nicely.
@omarflores1329
@omarflores1329 6 жыл бұрын
Johnny greenwood just looks cool playing guitar. With his long hair and humbucker telecaster
@DarkAvra
@DarkAvra 7 жыл бұрын
It's in Little by Little too and it's so hard to pin down in the album version
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
And "The Butcher"
@808sos7
@808sos7 7 жыл бұрын
Man it took me TWO years to figure out how to fill the drumbeat in my mind during the first half of the song!!!
@Datpleb
@Datpleb 7 жыл бұрын
it's much more evident in LBL, for sure. Didn't know about the butcher tho, lol god damn it radiohead
@JivanPal
@JivanPal 7 жыл бұрын
It emerges in a lot of tracks written by a lot of bands (heck, you can literally do it with any piece of music, and it makes for a good music exercise-trying to play a piece you know well with a different downbeat) but _Videotape_ was the last place I expected to see it.
@wgb01001
@wgb01001 7 жыл бұрын
This is true. I have a very hard time hearing LBL the "right" way. I can do it for a while but I lose it. Led Zeppelin was also really good at this technique. Black Dog and Candy Store Rock both purposely hide the downbeat.
@waterglas21
@waterglas21 7 жыл бұрын
It's simple, I see Radiohead I click.
@therealDannyVasquez
@therealDannyVasquez 7 жыл бұрын
You could try adding some complexity into your brain then your actions will start to follow.
@kendo5862
@kendo5862 7 жыл бұрын
I also clicked... but on the off beat
@halseykale9930
@halseykale9930 5 жыл бұрын
ok it's a great song but "the mystery is so deep" and "this man is using 100% of his brain" is just too much to believe lol
@natjoh9786
@natjoh9786 4 жыл бұрын
@@ethandeister6567 if someone can do the downbeats they can do the upbeats. 1 2 3 and 4 are the eight note before the piano and the &s are an eight note after the piano, like playing swung but backwards
@boozalm3715
@boozalm3715 4 жыл бұрын
@@ethandeister6567 Not very hard
@wakeupmofoers691
@wakeupmofoers691 4 жыл бұрын
to me videotape was kinda basic yet its not.... idk the band is bunch of pros doing good stuff... its whats inside the songwriting... ya know make what u want of it... sounds like spiritual stuff....
@Morgsch
@Morgsch 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. While Radiohead is one of my favorite bands and its indeed a very interessting thing to note, the video overhypes this rhythm a lot. As a songwriter i can tell you that syncopation is used so much, it would almost be more baffling to hear a song without any syncopation. I know its not the snycopation itself that makes this song special and rather the way they used it, but again: not that complex as they present it in this video. However as a music performer I can also tell you this "using 100% of his brain" might not be to far off. If you lose your inner metronome during a performance without anything to cling on rhythmically, you really gotta focus to stay in tact. So the video is true on this one imo
@june4171
@june4171 4 жыл бұрын
fr they just made a 10 min video explaining syncopation💀. like even if it is hard for some people.. many songs have done this.
@tiesthijsthejs
@tiesthijsthejs 7 жыл бұрын
Vox can easily get away with a separate department only making these wonderful high quality analyses of Radiohead.
@kaistreetsvisuals
@kaistreetsvisuals 4 жыл бұрын
7:56 It is weird that I just shed a single tear at the thought of knowing there’s somebody else out there who gets it. No one knows why I move like this when I hear this song. No one knows why Radiohead is the only music that can keep me up on a long road trip while it puts everyone else to sleep. It’s hard to explain. At least now, I can send them this.
@julezdacoolz5955
@julezdacoolz5955 Жыл бұрын
i see, :)
@penguinwolf3330
@penguinwolf3330 11 ай бұрын
Radiohead is one of the most popular bands in the world. I don't think its that mysterious to people why you like them
@kaistreetsvisuals
@kaistreetsvisuals 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@penguinwolf3330This was a very specific post about the rhythms that most people don’t hear, even some Radiohead listeners. Maybe I need to broaden my social circle but it was very specific to why people don’t understand why I move the way I do while listening to them and how it puts everyone else to sleep on road trips.
@penguinwolf3330
@penguinwolf3330 11 ай бұрын
@@kaistreetsvisuals oh ok, fair enough. Sorry for the bother
@kaistreetsvisuals
@kaistreetsvisuals 11 ай бұрын
@@penguinwolf3330 No bother at all 🙏🏽
@JT-ss6si
@JT-ss6si 5 жыл бұрын
He is pretty much playing the piano in between the beat. End of topic.
@stitchgrimly6167
@stitchgrimly6167 4 жыл бұрын
It's played on the 4 but it sounds like the 1. We can all stop talking it now. Turns out it's no big deal.
@jordanfrancis89
@jordanfrancis89 3 жыл бұрын
Ok but saying it like that makes me think of dilla swing
@Art_Travel_and_Hobbys
@Art_Travel_and_Hobbys 6 жыл бұрын
I'm a major Radiohead fan... their music catalog is nothing short of brilliant! Nice video
@flowerpunk5255
@flowerpunk5255 7 жыл бұрын
I love when Vox breaks down music
@simkaart4655
@simkaart4655 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I think these kind of syncopations don't just happen in Radiohead's music because they like it. I think it has to do with the way Thom Yorke plays the piano. Almost all songs that are piano driven (and probably written on piano) have a bit of this rhythm in them. If you listen closely to acoustic solo performances of those songs, you hear the pedal of the piano making the beat. Since it's better to release the pedal in between chords, so you don't trigger tones to ring when they shouldn't, he most likely taught himself a way of playing in which he could tap his foot for the tempo and tapped the pedal at once - creating the basis for beats that sound like this.
@nashmillh76
@nashmillh76 7 жыл бұрын
radiohead songs go through a metamorphosis before getting released and even after that, while they're playing it live. that's why it's always interesting for me; seems like each member is pouring their being into the record/live version.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Great thought... Agree 100%.
@ricktrevino309
@ricktrevino309 7 жыл бұрын
WARRENMUSIC Know the name of the Stevie Wonder song?
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
You'll have to ask Estelle! She's on Twitter.
@applesnapple5515
@applesnapple5515 7 жыл бұрын
Master Blaster
@Zainyyx
@Zainyyx 7 жыл бұрын
your comment reminded me of I Will (No Man's Land). when i first heard it, it instantly became my favorite. but then i heard the Los Angeles version and i was torn between which i favored the most. still am.
@uwnbaw
@uwnbaw 5 жыл бұрын
Mathcore bands:* *coughs in preparation* * "Observe."
@TurtleGamers1
@TurtleGamers1 5 жыл бұрын
Playing slowly on time is harder than playing fast. And most math music is pretty fast.
@salman_3833
@salman_3833 4 жыл бұрын
@@TurtleGamers1 playing fast really is much easier bcs there r no breaks, at least from my experience
@jvig7353
@jvig7353 5 жыл бұрын
Trent Reznor did the same thing back in '89 with "Something I Can Never Have"
@stitchgrimly6167
@stitchgrimly6167 4 жыл бұрын
But it didn't have the gasping for air feel to it that this does, by way of the syncopation.
@knightarnaud
@knightarnaud 7 жыл бұрын
Can we all agree that Radiohead really is the best band in the world?
@aj1533
@aj1533 7 жыл бұрын
Like them or not, Radiohead *is* one of the most beloved bands in the world. You may disagree with their opinions but their albums are rated incredibly well and they sell millions of albums without selling out.
@ishaanthewonderboy
@ishaanthewonderboy 7 жыл бұрын
This very album In Rainbows was released with a "pay what you want" system on their site without any advertising. They are probably the biggest indie band out there.
@onixxfilth
@onixxfilth 7 жыл бұрын
Ajay Vishwanaath I love "Creep" and "Karma Police" was one of my faves in middle school.
@clag1109
@clag1109 7 жыл бұрын
LMAO Radiohead are not indie.
@teethgrinder83
@teethgrinder83 7 жыл бұрын
Clag don't tell me Pablo Honey and The Bends aren't indie albums lol taken as a whole no they maybe aren't indie any more-especially after OK computer but come on,those first two albums were totally indie
@roryclague5876
@roryclague5876 7 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that you would say this since Radiohead were signed to a record label when you claim they were indie, and have been independent musicians since In Rainbows.
6 жыл бұрын
"That's cute" -Meshuggah
@turdferguson9190
@turdferguson9190 4 жыл бұрын
Laughs in polyrhythm....
@aidandammermann8378
@aidandammermann8378 7 жыл бұрын
Love this series from Vox already! I found the video on warrenmusic's channel a few weeks ago and really loved it. I've never been able to describe the effect in this song, but watching these videos has helped me to learn to appreciate one of my favourite songs in a whole new way.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
AWESOME
@HiroProtaganist
@HiroProtaganist 7 жыл бұрын
Radiohead is amazing
@HiroProtaganist
@HiroProtaganist 7 жыл бұрын
Damnit now I have to go listen to this album
@moesalamander7012
@moesalamander7012 5 жыл бұрын
How was it?
@CalumCarlyle
@CalumCarlyle 2 жыл бұрын
After seeing this video last year I actually wrote a song where the rhythm is syncopated *back* a half beat, as part of getting my head around this. Watching this again now, I’m pleased to say this is a lot easier to hear now, much more intuitive.
@absaxoclar
@absaxoclar 7 жыл бұрын
I spot that cheeky atoms for peace tour poster in the background
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Its sibling is here - instagram dot com /p/BNAs9PehPD6/
@Meandmythirdleg
@Meandmythirdleg 7 жыл бұрын
Estelle's videos are my favourite from Vox. More music content please!
@samw1501
@samw1501 4 жыл бұрын
The album version of this song is made more even complex by the gradually-drifting timing of some of the background percussion.
@nashmillh76
@nashmillh76 7 жыл бұрын
the fast version is not fit for closing track. Street sprite,the tourist all the way through true love waits the closing track has a lullaby like quality, like the band is saying goodbye to you.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Agree!
@guilhermedasilva1795
@guilhermedasilva1795 6 жыл бұрын
Wolf At The Door a pretty disturbing lullaby haha
@nikmedt
@nikmedt 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. Robert Schumann did this kind of thing all the time in the mid 19th century. He often established a figure that feels to imply a certain metric stress but a few lines later will reveal that you've been dancing on the wrong foot the whole time - what you thought was beat 1 was really beat 3. Examples include - First mvt of the piano concerto or the middle section of Grillen op. 12 no 4.
@fullmoonsociety7463
@fullmoonsociety7463 Жыл бұрын
How to dissapear completely is also interesting because most of the verses feel like 4/4 but the song is actually in 6/8, and sometimes that's pretty obvious in certain parts, but playing the whole song thinking of it as 6/8 is rather difficult
@Dismoeyy
@Dismoeyy 7 жыл бұрын
Warrenmusic
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
SAY MY NAME
@Vox
@Vox 7 жыл бұрын
~shouts into the void~ WARRRREENNNN -joe
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
~listens into the void~ OMG is someone saying my name across time and space? I N T E R S T E L L A R.
@Vox
@Vox 7 жыл бұрын
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@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
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@ricardootiniano8315
@ricardootiniano8315 7 жыл бұрын
"I am a professional musician and this is not hard to play" lol guys you won't get music creds just for commenting like that
@willritter4076
@willritter4076 6 жыл бұрын
I'd be honored if some Radiohead/late 90s fans would check out my acoustic piano & vocal covers of HIGH & DRY and BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY by the Verve on my channel. Live acoustic with no digital editing. Thanks and peace.out.
@alexfeliciano2151
@alexfeliciano2151 6 жыл бұрын
You don’t need to be a professional to play off beats. A quick 5 minute demonstration can all you need to know about off beats. They fact the viewers are trying to make is that off beats are not something special. You learn them in 6th grade band class.
@matthewgriffin3486
@matthewgriffin3486 6 жыл бұрын
@@alexfeliciano2151 in 6th grade band class you don't have 30,000 fans all clapping on the wrong beat while you're trying to play a 1/16 of a note later
@grtrukat9360
@grtrukat9360 5 жыл бұрын
There's so many bands between the 70s and 90s that did this in various chords
@rvq9
@rvq9 5 жыл бұрын
Alex Feliciano 6th grade? Really that late????
@bossyspaghetti
@bossyspaghetti 5 жыл бұрын
Videotape has always been my very favorite song on that album, possibly my favorite in their whole catalog...
@borjangagovski6545
@borjangagovski6545 7 жыл бұрын
I immediately knew Warren was going to be in this video when I saw the title. No one else is as obsessed with Videotape's syncopation as he is lol
@DylTyrril
@DylTyrril 7 жыл бұрын
Not to be overlooked is the Thom Yorke From the Basement solo version of Videotape, a personal favourite. You can clearly see Thom working the piano's foot pedals to find his rhythm.
@mattd5312
@mattd5312 11 ай бұрын
I love this song. I would say it's "buried ," or hidden as a parted rhythm perhaps that the band is hearing similar to the song's meaning of memory of a passed loved one. We don't hear the rhythm, but they do. Makes me enjoy the song even more.
@allabronskaya9069
@allabronskaya9069 10 ай бұрын
I love this perspective
@freezedream
@freezedream 7 жыл бұрын
Radiohead - really musical geniuses - I love their musical complexities - breaking expectations, meeting expectations - that's what compelling music is all about.
@dannii_L
@dannii_L 7 жыл бұрын
This completely reinforces a) Why Radiohead are the gift that keeps on giving; and b) Why there is a special place in hell reserved for people that clap to the beat at concerts (oh, how I wish)
@fishsurfer1
@fishsurfer1 5 жыл бұрын
Great job with these videos! These concepts are hard to explain and learn but these examples and commentary are highly helpful.
@kitsovereign4127
@kitsovereign4127 7 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite examples of this sort of rhythm recontexualizing is You Really Got Me (both The Kinks and Van Halen versions). When you hear the guitar riff on its own for the first time, you'll probably hear it as "1 & 2 & 3" - but when the drums kick in, you'll hear it as "& 1 & 2 &."
@Darel13712
@Darel13712 7 жыл бұрын
It's impossible for me to think of it as & 1. It's clearly coming before the beat...
@oolonsioo3853
@oolonsioo3853 7 жыл бұрын
VOX I LOVE YOU , TY for covering such an amazing band like Radiohead
@arinetic5538
@arinetic5538 7 жыл бұрын
Ive watched this video multiple times now, and when i watch this video, what's being said and what the band says makes sense that the piano is syncopated. But every single time I listen to Videotape after watching this, i try to follow what this video says the downbeat is, and i completely fail every single time. I can do it while playing it on my own, but listening to the studio version just doesnt make sense. Every musical instinct of mine leads me to believe that it's the drums that are syncopated, not the piano. If they're still playing it with the piano being on the offbeat, they are overcomplicating it for themselves.
@Misterseb2
@Misterseb2 5 жыл бұрын
I also think you are right. I completely get what the video is trying to say, but there really is no evidence to suggest that the piano is on the offbeat other than Yorke struggling in that one video. On the other hand, the bonnaroo clip they showed at 7:59 actually has Colin nodding his head as if the piano was on the downbeat (making the drums offbeat). Maybe he's just nodding his head "wrong" intentionally though, because that's easier for him. Idk.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Check out my superimposed version where I give a drumbeat to count in before the piano. It’s on my SoundCloud
@rooftopsignals7313
@rooftopsignals7313 7 жыл бұрын
OK COMPUTER is amazing, but IN RAINBOWS is my favorite.
@reydiyohed
@reydiyohed 7 жыл бұрын
wow, vox covering this is actually really surprising
@1213chio
@1213chio Ай бұрын
this series is so wonderful .. i hope there'll be more ..
@FEvan1234
@FEvan1234 7 жыл бұрын
one word. subdivision.
@nytro8027
@nytro8027 7 жыл бұрын
Evan Ferioli RIGHT
@chrishavill6458
@chrishavill6458 7 жыл бұрын
Evan Ferioli IN THE HIGH SCHOOL HALLS
@Synequanon
@Synequanon 7 жыл бұрын
In the shopping malls. Conform or be cast out[...]
@cstubbssubs7746
@cstubbssubs7746 7 жыл бұрын
Ikr
@housesinmotion6031
@housesinmotion6031 7 жыл бұрын
surprise rush reference just out of nowhere good job guys
@fygarOnTheRun
@fygarOnTheRun 6 жыл бұрын
over-analysis overload to the max!
@beejay833
@beejay833 2 жыл бұрын
Just discovered this channel.. SO GREAT!
@bloodySunday77
@bloodySunday77 7 жыл бұрын
On one hand it's a great video about something that goes unnoticed (at least to the uneducated ear of a simple music listener & fan). On the other hand, sometimes it feels like it's dragging too long on explaining a rather simple thing over and over - especially when you consider INFINITELY more complex and irregular rhythms in, for example, styles from progressive rock to some ethnic to jazz etc.
@scurrytom
@scurrytom 6 жыл бұрын
bloodySunday77 Yeah, my take as an avid listener, but not a musician is, it's great he struggled with that and figured out something cool. But jazz musicians do equally hard/ complex things all the time. I wouldn't call him revolutionary, there are jazz musicians practicing harder stuff day in day out. Cool yes, revolutionary, no... but that's just me
@catalinsalcieanu4640
@catalinsalcieanu4640 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand this simple concept at all...
@mac-n-sneeze
@mac-n-sneeze 6 жыл бұрын
bloodySunday77 they gotta get that add revenue some how
@klaxoncow
@klaxoncow 6 жыл бұрын
Well, yeah, it drags on just to reach the 10 minute mark. Notice how it's just 14 seconds longer than 10 minutes. They padded it out to just make it over the 10 minute line and then stopped. Why 10 minutes? Because that's where KZbin draws the line on running ads for a video. Bottom line: They want their ad money.
@julianuary
@julianuary 7 жыл бұрын
As a slightly pedantic RH fan (haha) I have to correct something. The date of that London show was January 16, 2008, not September 29. They were ready to tour Japan by that point.
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
There's the detective!
@julianuary
@julianuary 7 жыл бұрын
You know it! ;)
@L1ttleM1crosoft
@L1ttleM1crosoft Жыл бұрын
Been subscribed to Warren for years now. Even saw him at the Berkeley show! Hahaha didnt get a chance to meet him but hes taught me pretty much every RH song i know on guitar.
@JasonRennie
@JasonRennie 7 жыл бұрын
They need to do a video on King Crimson
@tyro334
@tyro334 6 жыл бұрын
Nicu nicu
@gravygravyjosh
@gravygravyjosh 7 жыл бұрын
some people not really getting this. The difficult thing that makes this so interesting is they're playing the syncopated beat without anything on 1 to place it. When you listen on the record it sounds like normal 4, but then they start to build it and fill it out so that it feels polyrhythmic, but they were actually playing along to this "phantom beat" all along. Very cool
@StillGamingTM
@StillGamingTM 3 жыл бұрын
This song has been fascinating and eluding me for YEARS. I know nothing about music so when your explanation came out I was just so happy, I felt sort of validated
@klamin_original
@klamin_original 7 жыл бұрын
Playing right after a beat (or hi hat) is easy, because you have something you can focus on. But playing without an existing downbeat is hard
@lamaziagoo
@lamaziagoo 7 жыл бұрын
i don't understand anything but loved the video because its my fav song of radiohead
@aislingomalley
@aislingomalley 7 жыл бұрын
your nerdy enthusiasm for the minutiae of music is inspiring.
@DudeWhoSkates69
@DudeWhoSkates69 7 жыл бұрын
I just like how Radiohead makes music that you don't have to be a musical genius to understand them. Like it's some elitist club. The average everyday person can relate to the lyrics of Videotape which I am sure Thom Yorke had that feeling and expressed it musically then maybe this happy accident happened. We've all felt like how Radiohead's music expresses at one point or another. At the end of the day, just enjoy the music. It's just a nice little musical Easter egg. Fun fact, Thom Yorke doesn't know how to read or write music.
@factsoverfeelies
@factsoverfeelies 6 жыл бұрын
The crowd clapping (conforming) to the wrong beat while the band following the true beat fits perfectly to their isolationist and lonely identity.
@teeceedee
@teeceedee 3 жыл бұрын
as a drummer its so simple to interpret but i imagine people are like what
@Paulie-Wallie
@Paulie-Wallie 7 жыл бұрын
you guys have to give props to @warrenmusic for this
@densmaish5586
@densmaish5586 7 жыл бұрын
A lot of modern and traditional African music has syncopation at its heart. I recall my music professor alluding to the beginnings of syncopation in the continent.
@scottdunning5723
@scottdunning5723 6 жыл бұрын
It's true, people look at me like I'm crazy when I start bouncing around to the beat of this song like a maniac. To them it's slow, it's melodic, and solemn. If you don't know what you're listening to, if you don't know what the beat is, you'll just think of the drums as background and the piano as the down beat. But every time I hear it, it electrifies me. The syncopation makes me feel every eighth note as if it were a quarter note. I FEEL this song at twice the speed everyone around me does. Paired with that slow solemn piano is just an amazing contrast.
@fadlinugraha347
@fadlinugraha347 7 жыл бұрын
My boy Lain!
@mufasa0138
@mufasa0138 6 жыл бұрын
Videotape sounds a little bit similar to “Not Yet Remembered” by Brian Eno
@abraxapaxa9930
@abraxapaxa9930 4 жыл бұрын
no that observed incorrect mufasa ,lol but they would likely take that as a complement
@uhkingdom
@uhkingdom 6 ай бұрын
Videotape is one of the greatest songs I’ve ever heard in my life. Not just a favorite, which it is for me, but I think it deserves to have greatness applied to it. It is a very specific sound, it’s beautiful and haunting and uplifting and dark and wholly its own all in equal measure in a way I’ve not heard a song be before.
@JxqGames
@JxqGames 5 жыл бұрын
We’ll still be discovering new things about Radiohead’s music 20 years from now
@julcaos
@julcaos 6 жыл бұрын
Everyting in this was just brilliant... song, video, editing, research... great job guys!
@joesonx
@joesonx 6 жыл бұрын
dear estelle, this and the rhyming in rap episode is something i can watch over and over again. thank you for that!
@mgoogs
@mgoogs 7 жыл бұрын
This is like explaining why a joke is funny.
@abrahamsimons9283
@abrahamsimons9283 6 жыл бұрын
Using 100% of his mental energy? Jajajaa is he levitating or what? 😂😂😂
@boozalm3715
@boozalm3715 6 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAH YESSS!!!
@MatSmithLondon
@MatSmithLondon 5 жыл бұрын
@@boozalm3715 agree.
@pocojoyo
@pocojoyo 5 жыл бұрын
lol
@milhouse777
@milhouse777 4 жыл бұрын
Why would you expect someone to levitate when focus 100% of his energy on an activity like play and sing at the same time?
@NoahJuan
@NoahJuan Жыл бұрын
I think this hidden element is also reflected in the lyrics when they mention red blue green which are the hidden colours that make up a video image?
@FutureVintageXO
@FutureVintageXO 7 жыл бұрын
If as a musician you don't care for Radiohead that's fine. However In Rainbows is definitely in my opinion the best album of the last decade at least. Subtly in genius ideas is what makes something special. Nuances and space. Ina world that is increasingly hard to impress listeners, to come by an anomaly naturally to me is something to relish. If you disagree then I challenge you to make a record that does exactly this. But being a hater is still the lowest form of flattery.
@CocaCoala
@CocaCoala 5 жыл бұрын
Long story short: Song contains a syncopation, which means that there is an eighth note rest on every beat, after which the piano chord is being played.
@samuelmather2469
@samuelmather2469 Ай бұрын
couldn't this be a three minute video
@ohrightthatswhy
@ohrightthatswhy 7 жыл бұрын
I was about to say "way to rip off Warren vox" then I saw who was in the video!
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
LOL I think would still be pretty happy though. More people need to talk about the fact that syncopation can intentionally be buried.
@ohrightthatswhy
@ohrightthatswhy 7 жыл бұрын
+WARRENMUSIC totally! I'm sat here like a mug trying to clap along properly. Insanely clever that you found it, and also a total credit to the genius of Radiohead.
@HorribleSonofa
@HorribleSonofa 7 жыл бұрын
WARRENMUSIC - How long did it take you to figure out the BPM?
@warrenmusic
@warrenmusic 7 жыл бұрын
It was tricky. Maybe half an hour? I dropped it into Ableton, sequenced a simple four on the floor beat, and kept playing around with the global tempo until it matched up. I remember sliding back and forth between 154 and 155 and it driving me insane. Then I decided to try 154.5. Then 154.9. Then 154.6. Then 154.8. And 154.7. And 154.75. And then adjusting around back and forth in this kind of educated guessing way.
@danielmgalhaes
@danielmgalhaes 7 жыл бұрын
I said wait have I just spotted a plagiarism? Glad I spoke too fast
@zathomas
@zathomas 7 жыл бұрын
Exquisite. Now can you tell us how to count Pyramid Song?
@melew25
@melew25 7 жыл бұрын
3-2-3-3-2-3
@tylerufen
@tylerufen 5 жыл бұрын
This is fascinating! Would produce another season!
@ghostfires
@ghostfires 7 жыл бұрын
They didn't hide the beat, it comes in in the latter half of the song FFS!
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