Voyager Reviewed! (by a pedant) S4E09: YEAR OF HELL (2)

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Today's thought experiment: What happened to the escape pods?

[@oddish4352]

Since they presumably had no temporal shielding, they and their occupants were instantly returned to Voyager when the timeship erased itself from history.

[@KertaDrake]

If there was a major change that should have reverted Voyager back into an intact state at any point between leaving and the end of Part 2, they may have been entirely erased because the point they would be reverted back to a spot that was temporally immutable! Just imagine how much more unstable Janeway could be if she realized that!

[@KingSidJames]

Sold on Ebay.

[@oddish4352]

The Cloud... JANEWAY: "There's coffee in that nebula." Year of Hell II... JANEWAY: "There's nebula in my coffee."

[@Norvo82]

"Fortunately, taste is irrelevant!"

[@captainjellicoe1701e]

they actually wanted to do the whole season as the year of hell but the producers wouldn't let them

[@djbare9]

There's a reason for this, long story's get boring, at least in my opinion, if it's a long story in a movie I'm fine, but waiting weekly for the next part and it's the same story as the last one every week is boring, I enjoyed DS9 right up until the Dominion wars, it dragged on too long, so I stopped watching.

[@captainjellicoe1701e]

@@djbare9 you might want to give it re-watch because the Dominion more Ark was actually pretty good if you watch all of it

[@shmee123ful]

gods dammit, that former captain janeway now escaped criminal joke made me bust a gut

[@VerityFraser]

I'm almost certain it was executives that demanded that they reset things completely. The ability to explore Voyager's concept to its fullest would be a dream for writers, and I'm sure the actors appreciated getting to portray new dimensions to their characters. 'Year of Hell' sounds like a great creative endeavor, but one tainted by meddling.

[@1down4upworkshop61]

The episode with the USS Equinox was the closest we got to see what it would have really been like for Voyager as it traveled millions of light years from home ...

[@raymondcanessa7208]

The end of this episode is right up there with finding out ST:Enterpise was Riker in the holodeck.

[@Wifenis]

The weirdest part about Captain Red's obsession with bringing that one colony back is that...his wife would still be dead even if he did. It's been 200 years. With no evidence to the contrary, we assume they have a roughly human lifespan, so she still would have died of old age ~100 years ago.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Yup. The whole thing falls apart under scrutiny, unless we assume he just wanted to know that she got to exist.

[@AvatarRiku]

@@Unlimited_LivesAt the end of the episode it cuts to the colony where he’s doing temporal research. The Krenem aren’t experiencing any time wibblies though; are we to assume the colony somehow is present day? Had he built another sonic screwdriver surely Oppenheimer would be a bit more angry

[@MKDumas1981]

Captain Red vs Captain Red.

[@madbr3991]

It was only 200 years for the people on the time ship. It's implied that time moves differently for the time ship vs the rest of space.

[@windgraceproject]

I'm sure I won't be the only one to point it out, but this was originally conceived as an entire season. "Year of Hell" meaning the entire year of stories. Unfortunately, serialized stories were too crazy at this point and they didn't have the fight that DS9 did. While I love Voyager, there are many examples of this. Plenty of missed opportunities. There is another 2 part episode coming up later that's pretty much a "See, this is what we could have given you!" moment. I very much look forward to seeing your thoughts when that one arrives.

[@scottyPsychotty]

That really would have been something amazing

[@nisselarson3227]

I gotta say, there would be more interesting bits to drag out a whole year. I usually skip these two episodes as they're so long and suffer from bad pacing. I'd rather see them set down on a planet someplace, something like that human colony where the '37:s were found. A whole year of misery would be a little much methinks.

[@windgraceproject]

@@nisselarson3227 That would have been interesting. Maybe they could have split the story into a few different parts. The Paris and Chakotay being captured on the ship, most of the crew on a planet trying to survive, and a few core people on Voyager trying to find allies and repair the ship?

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Something I already said about Season 4 of Enterprise that also could've worked for Voyager are short story arcs. Basically a handful episodes that tell a connected, overarching story. Gives more room to move the plot and allows for cliffhangers, but doesn't run into the risk of a continuous story that missing one episode leaves holes in the entire season. Sort of that middle ground between standalone episodes and a big overarching story. Put multiple of them into a season, with the option of having one be referenced by a later one. Like turning each season into 3-4 miniseries.

[@Cuttlefish2202]

I think Year of Hell is fascinating for historical reasons. It almost feels like a failed study for Battlestar Galactica. The genocide, the relentless opponent, the desperate attempt to retain the old values in the face of growing catastrophe, the beauty shots of a messed up hero ship. Almost like it's saying "Here. This is what you could have if you didn't try and cram everything into episodic storytelling." It runs alongside the final seasons of DS9. And three year after Voyager ends, Ronald Moore is free, and Galactica bursts onto the scene.

[@AvatarRiku]

I still rank these as among the best episodes since their magic reset button broke until Janeway kaboomed the sonic screwdriver

[@pedrocortez3485]

Agreed, even though it was a reset, we saw characters shine, including the doc.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

They're good episodes, and that's why I'm so distraught at them being rendered irrelevant to the overall story. If they were shite, I wouldn't care.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

And they missed the late-Voyager opportunity to have someone from the other timeline appear with the power of technobabble mumbo jumbo.

[@REDspike226]

I always think of him as the dad from that '70s show 😁

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Seems most people do, but I never caught that. Perhaps I'll give it a try as I do like the actor.

[@oXogon80]

12:57 no matter the species: Redheads cause all the trouble

[@dougsmith6262]

Just came across your channel and now it's time to binge your videos, subscribe, and share with my friends.

[@jodieg6318]

Year of Hell has the mother of all rest buttons I think in the whole of the Trek cannon but it does have some of the best Janeway moments in Voyager’s series run. If ever there was a captain that would go down with their ship it would be Janeway. I think one of the concepts for the series finale was Janeway going down with Voyager in order to send the crew home which I also think was Kate Mulgrew’s preferred end for the character.

[@oddish4352]

Normally, I'm not wild about VOY's unrelenting use of the Big Red Reset Button, but MAN did it work in this episode.

[@jodieg6318]

@@oddish4352 I’m conflicted about it myself, for the menace that the reset button usually is, they wrote around it really well. Maybe because it was all going to get kaboomed in the end the writers had a bit more freedom but it makes me wistful for what could have been.

[@geemelone9974]

That Chris rock reference haunts me...too good.

[@loganalexander8256]

Kim, is super important he pushes buttons.

[@oXogon80]

All our buttons 🤗

[@Unlimited_Lives]

The original one doesn't push many buttons these days. Not unless his frozen corpse smashes against it.

[@comentedonakeyboard]

Unafected by Time because this is the flying Dutchmen i mean Krenim in Space.

[@BaronVonHaggis]

lol that ending skit, top marks! 😂😂

[@raymondcanessa7208]

The end of this episode is right up there with finding out ST:Enterpise was Riker in the holodeck.

[@Hogtownboy1]

Actually the producers in 1997 travel to 2023 and witness a pedant reviewing thier work and say “ lets fuck him up” ever time travel will end with resetting the time line as though nothing has happened. That will teach the little buggar. 😉

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I like a good plot twist...

[@mb2000]

So the final attack on the sonic screwdriver took place on Day 226… so why isn’t this episode called “Eight Months of Hell” or “Two Thirds of a Year of Hell”!? I’d have loved to have seen how Janeway convinced those two aliens species to join her little fleet… she turns up at their planets in a ship with more holes in it than a colander with a skeleton crew that includes a hologram, a Borg, a blind guy and a hedgehog, telling some batshit insane story about a guy on a giant ship who’s altering time such that none of them remember any of it. Seems legit… 10:52 Nice that even with all the damage Voyager has taken, the mood lighting is still fully functional.

[@Norvo82]

I guess she used the Borg diplomacy tactic: offer them a way to defend themselves against the Krenim's temporal torpedoes. Just give the species a taste of the shielding technology to get them to cooperate, holding out on the final installation until they commit.

[@oddish4352]

Actually, it was Day 257. But you're right.

[@mb2000]

@@oddish4352 Thanks, I just took the caption from when Voyager was with the other ships!

[@Unlimited_Lives]

257 is a year when adusted for 3 centuries of inflation.

[@oddish4352]

@@Unlimited_Lives Or if you live on Venus, which has probably been terraformed into a tropical resort planet by 2375.

[@danielyeshe]

SFdebris suggestion for this episode could have worked well. He suggested that the temporal shields could have failed to come down in one place. And Kim becomes the only one to remember any of this happening.

[@keeperofnecronomicon]

I think one large misinterpretation of the episodes end is the warning that history will repeat its self. No it won't. A big point Time Adolf made was he neglected his family for his work. But at the end we see him put his work aside to spend it with his family. So the implication is in the new timeline he neglects his work to spend time with his family.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

That's one interpretation, but requires ignoring the negative audio cue as it fades to black. If that was the intended message, the zoom was entirely unnecessary.

[@robinkastles9074]

Hyperspace Oppenheimer really chilled out there at the end. Probably something to do with paradox episodes always being such a disappointment. Good call on the follow up episode idea with the ship fixing and whatnot. It would have been interesting to see some effort to establish a more lasting effect due to the events of this episode, but yeah... Kinda a Voyager thing.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

And an even worse disappointment now I've read people telling me the original plan was to make it a season-long plot.

[@raymondcanessa7208]

@@Unlimited_Lives The end of this episode is right up there with finding out ST:Enterpise was Riker in the holodeck.

[@marley7145]

Hey! I'm a named ensign! Don't eliminate me, I'm ... wait ... get away from me with that plot device ... no ... please ... [gaaak] [THUD] (Crap, I forgot to leave instructions to turn off Patreon contributions in my will.) Seriously, thanks for banging the "consequences" drum, though I don't expect it will make any difference. One of the reasons that DS9 is so loved is that very thing. Something that happens in one episode can have consequences through the rest of the series. And watching Captain Pike deal with the knowledge of what's to come helps humanize him. Yet in both cases we can miss some episodes and still continue with no problems. Not that it matters now. It might have been a concern when everything was on broadcast TV. Now we can watch missed episodes whenever we want. Which is exactly what I'll do with Picard season 2. Eventually. Probably.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I think I'll probably end up making a video about this eventually. The fact we keep touching on it in the comments probably means it'd be a good topic. I think it might be interesting to explore how viewing habits have changed due to the advent of on-demand services, and the fragmentation of target demographics now that everybody has a portable screen. I think if Voyager were made today, without the constraints of live TV and being told it must appeal to all ages, it would be a very different show. Whether it would have been better is questionable, as I'm not convinced Discovery or Picard benefitted from Klingon nipples and swearing, but that's another argument.

[@marley7145]

@@Unlimited_Lives Klingon nipples? I don't remember that, but it may also be selective amnesia. But yeah, I like that idea for a video. Looking forward to it.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I think it was a Tyler flashback sequence when he's talking about his treatment by L'Rell(?). A quick flash of Klingon nork, just so you know it's 'mature'. It felt forced to me, there simply to say "Ooh, aren't we transgressive?" rather than to add anything.

[@marley7145]

@@Unlimited_Lives oh yeah, thanks for the reminder. Discovery could have been so much better.

[@scottyPsychotty]

Even Janeway hates time travel. But I’ll bet she’d love your reviews.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

That line about making it her goal in life to avoid time travel... it's the strongest bond I've ever felt for her.

[@johnpotts8308]

I was so hoping for a "Chakotay is a dick" line for going along with Bodecker's plan while Tom was trying to undermine him. But maybe that was in an alternate timeline...

[@Unlimited_Lives]

A wasted opporunity. Maybe I should try to give all of the main cast a Dick Callout...

[@KingOfMadCows]

How does the time not passing on the time ship thing even work? Time clearly still passes outside the time ship. And since they've been on the time ship for 200 years, even if they restore the Krenim Empire back to 100%, their families would be dead of old age. And is the ending with Annorax with his wife taking place in the present or 200 years ago?

[@alexv1129]

I think the implication with the Timeship is that it itself essentially exists outside of time while it is active. Pedant had a great point, about how digestion would work in a place where time was "frozen" as such. So they've spent 200 years trying to set time the way they want it to be - although, there does not seem to be much implication as to what/when his original timeline was. It feels to me like they've "spent 200 years" trying to fix roughly *this* point in time, and so I think the ending is essentially, the present.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

They exist isolated from time, but still moving forward in it. There's no aging so no entropy, except they're using energy so must need fuel. They're restoring a timeline, but there's no hint that they can go back, so a 100% restoration would still mean all their families, and anybody they've ever known outside of the crew, are dead. The whole thing falls apart under scrutiny, which is one of the reasons why I don't care for time travel stories. I've said before that the only show which really does them right is Doctor Who, and that works precisely because it doesn't give a fuck.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I heard somewhere that the story was originally planned as a whole season, and while what we got was not the worst, we could've gotten so much more.

[@williamgeorge2580]

Yup, there was a certain pointy head controlling Trek in that era who refused to let the show grow. The Reset Button should have gotten a title credit.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

It _was_ brave of them to do a crossover with Babylon 5 in this two parter, though.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Guess they figured they could get away with it 'cos nobody noticed they ripped off the Vorlons in that season finale two-parter...

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

@@Unlimited_Lives here’s hoping they find an excuse to rip off Centauri hairdos some time!

[@SirMarshalHaig]

"He thinks he pissed time off and it now holds a grudge" Q feeling caught poofs out of this piece of space time for the moment.

[@SirMarshalHaig]

P.S. him spending time with his wife and leaving the plans might be a hint, that the time ship was never build because he instead focused on his family...I prefer this interpretation for reasons.

[@TenniellesChannel]

I hate temporal mechanics 😒 But I love your reviews! Thanks so much for all you do 💚🌹💚 you are appreciated

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Thank you! I'm glad I'm not alone in my lack of patience for the baggage that comes with time travel stories.

[@1234atomicbomb]

The end of this show felt like the Dallas dream season. This was meant to be a season long arc but paramount said no. Oooh if you want an alien name for the wheel: Demonica Von Technobabble

[@raymondcanessa7208]

The end of this episode is right up there with finding out ST:Enterpise was Riker in the holodeck.

[@captainjellicoe1701e]

that's really just a federation president messing with their heads I think

[@loganalexander8256]

Can we all pretend this went on for four or five parts?

[@mb2000]

Definately. It’s one of the few things I agree with Brannon Braga on… this should have been at least the rest of Season 4. Have Voyager be repaired with bits and pieces they find on the way, recovering the crew here and there, one episode they find a race of space opticians to fix Tuvok, another species to give Harry a personality etc

[@raymondcanessa7208]

make it so

[@ssia6938]

The final scene of the computations on the padd, suggest the writers were unwilling to just reset. They had to suggest the events were still a possibility, and there may have been a loop. Regarding the year aspect, there was no way this could have been an entire season. Audiences would not have tuned into a show so grim and full of despair. It might have been great television, but would have ended the series.

[@oddish4352]

I prefer the notion that it was like Hartdigan in "The Time Machine"... he sees his wife and family and is so happy with his lot in life, he stops work on the machine. It's at least possible that Annorax was similarly distracted, and the sonic screwdriver genocide machine vanished from history forever.

[@TheRealKaiProton]

I was just talking about this episode with a friend, and had to come back to this review, at the end when he Mr Boddicker stops work, to hang out with wife/gf (cant remember who she was) was that the star trek equivalent of "here we go again" like in cheesy 80s cartoon endings ?

[@gingergrant1057]

I can’t believe Netflix’s She-Ra series stole the whole “eating the last remnants of a civilization” thing from Voyager.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I presume that was precursor stuff? The only food I remember is Entrapta's tiny snacks...

[@gingergrant1057]

@@Unlimited_Lives Glimmer and Catra are on Horde Prime’s ship, here’s the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWrPYYGeabprrpI

[@Norvo82]

"Only essential staff..." I was expecting a Neelix joke. But no, poor Harry. I'll take one crack at trying to understand the inner working of the Krenim time weapon... Everything it hits gets erased from time, it never existed. Like the entire Garenor species it wiped out from the timeline last episode. And the reason that temporal incursion failed to restore the Krenim Imperium was... Voyager developing temporal shieldng only a few hours before the incursion? How would that even affect the history of that sector of space? Also: if everyone aboard the Krenim screwdriver ship is protected from space-time, why does Annorax need to keep the lock of his wife's hair in a temporal stasis field? And why does he even have a lock of her hair anyway? And does he send his chef down to planets he plans to wipe out to collect some local delicacies first?

[@mb2000]

I think Voyager having temporal shields when it shouldn’t have as far as Annorax is concerned means that either it wasn’t factored into his calculations or those shields made Voyager be like a rock in the river that is time, time had to flow around Voyager instead of the ship being swept along with everything else. Maybe? I don’t know 😂

[@Norvo82]

@@mb2000 Maybe, but Voyager is not native to this quadrant, it had zero influence on or involvement with the development of the species in Krenim space until only a few months ago. As such, even with temporal shields, its presence in the current timeframe shouldn't have any impact on that sector's history. It's a loophole big enough to ram an Intrepid class through.

[@ptonpc]

Harry is the protein source.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

You know, I gave genuine thought to that lock of hair. It exists in the stasis field for one reason and one reason only: so it doesn't disappear when the temporal core of the ship goes down during the attack and we can have it shatter at the end. That's the only reason. I hadn't considered the delicacy-grabbing bit but, if we're generous, he teleports it like he did Chakotay and Paris. Which is a bit of a dick move really. First you nick some poor bastard's dinner, then you delete them.

[@danschneider7531]

In the end Anorax does not get obsessed w time changes, not that it'll happen again.

[@kerravon4159]

Totally with you on this one, time travel stories suck, as do MCU-style multiverse shenanigans were nothing matters and no stakes exist.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I noped out of the MCU when I lost track of what film was supposed to be next. A perfect example of IP apathy, and a warning to the current direction of Trek in my opinion...

[@KertaDrake]

Did anyone else wonder just what in the world was in that room to allow it to burn for so long? It had to have been on fire for hours at that point, and the ship is mostly forms of metal... so what in the world was burning in there? Did they make the ship out of magnesium?!

[@AvatarRiku]

Does Chakotay not give Janeway the watch he replicated before voyager got buggared in the reset timeline? Seems like an easy continuity nod and Easter egg

[@Rei-Rei]

I'd say the review was more sarcastic than pedantic, but I'm good either way. This was one of my favourite episodes. Sure, I knew it would get reset to the status quo at the end, but it was nice seeing actual development in the situation and characters, even if it was later erased. They do it again in a later episode with a different plot (probably more than once, now I think about it). I get the feeling some of the writers wanted to have more development but were required to keep everything stupidly status quo. I wonder if it would be done differently now, with our season-long storylines?

[@Unlimited_Lives]

This is something we've touched on in the comments previously. I'm becoming more and more convinced I should do a video about the constraints of compartmentalised stories (and who caused that), and also a look at whether those constraints made sense back then before the major shifts that Video on Demand and portable devices have caused. That this keeps coming back up suggests there's a desire for it, and they're questions I return to often.

[@VersieKilgannon]

I want to know your opinion of Netflix's Dark 😂 It's literally only about time travel lol

[@spacey_432]

Oh, what could've been...

[@PrincessOzaline]

I actually don''t mind these kind of what if stories, I'm as continuity obsessed as the next neuro-divergent gal but I also like a fun what-if. I think this one is interesting cause you actually hit the point in your commentary the change Clarance needed to make to get his wife back was to have never started. His obsession killed her, and might do so again.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

wow, my own headcanon/poor memory of this 2-parter was wrong about how the reset button was hit. i thought the krenim captain intentionally destroyed his time ship with it's time-erasing power. i thought the flashback to him & wife (presumably 200 y.o.) was showing HOW the weapon "erased" the ship; the scientist decided to pay attention to his wife, one small decision.

[@GusMcGuire]

It was a shame that Year of Hell turned out to be so inconsequential. One poignant highlight of that episode for me was the goodbye moment between Janeway and Tuvok. The filming, performances, tone and music of that scene were genuinely heartrending - and then it all went away at the end of the episode. Interesting how TV show structures have moved on: 1997 - Paramount TV producers: "Don't have consequences! We need to ensure viewers aren't shocked or upset by the story if they miss a week." 2013 - HBO Producers: "So this week's episode is called "The Rains of Castamere"."

[@richardchristie3203]

You’re on top form today

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Cheers!

[@alcohol-freebeer3642]

To put it kindly, I wouldn't expect Ensign Kim to know his arse from his elbow, so its no surprise he misclassified space rabbit droppings as micro-meteoroids. I mean, he was never promoted in 7 years further up the command structure, which makes me think his performance reviews were interesting reading.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

No promotion because he's a Super Ensign and there's no space yet for a Super Lieutenant (juinor grade). That's why he's considered senior staff. At least, that's what his mum tells him.

[@madbr3991]

Year of hell was originally planned to be an entire season. But that's not how voyager was. They had to cut it down to a two parter.

[@crystalheart9]

I don't understand the part where he destroyed a Krenim colony that his wife was on. What was she doing there?

[@thespyofcharles]

lol, hilarious redshirt fundraiser drive lol Ronald D Moore, of DS9, TNG, Battlestar Galactica, Voyager, etc, wanted to have ongoing permanent consequences, like the ship being beaten up over time, instead of being immaculately clean constantly, but the network insisted on modularity as you call it. In Battlestar Galactica, he achieved his dream of defiling the ship permanently over time lol. he only got to beat up Voyager for this special occasion before it was reset.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I clearly need to do some research on the driving forces behind the creative decisions...

[@moonkey2712]

It's really to bad that the weel of names choose "hyperspace Oppenheimer" for the extra, because it would have fit the main villain perfectly!

[@nisselarson3227]

If they can make little sideburn-wigs for every guy who can't grow his own, why cant they make a decent moustache?

[@Unlimited_Lives]

The sideburn wigs are just triangular tribbles. They could do the same for moustaches, but everybody would look like Mario.

[@gerrimilner9448]

kim even had some growth and paris showed he can be usefull

[@ptonpc]

Your reaction was basically the same as everyone else's at the time. This *could* have been an impactful story with consequences for the characters but everyone knew it was just going to be reset button time so, at the end no one cared. This story was screaming for more time to unfold. Apart from more satisfying endings, perhaps have Chakotay and the other time ship crew finally get through to Clarence, convincing him to let his obsession go, and reset the timeline back to something better. Have Voyager and the other ships that were shielded, survive to tell their story. Voyager going back to pick up its crew, the ones that survived at any rate. ANYTHING would probably have been better. The people I was with all noticed the same thing, the time ship had a lot of B5 assets in it, this was due to the CGI company (Foundation Imaging?) being fired from B5 and getting the CGI gig at Voyager. The number species were retreads of the Shadows, their ships were altered Vorlon craft etc.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Oooh! I wasn't aware that there were actual CGI shenannigans going on in the background of the show's production. That's fascinating data!

[@CaptainAllen47]

His not wrong. Had complexed me also I enjoyed this story but the ending was so unfortunately bad. They had so much to apply yet hit the reset. Even so we don't see space dog. Nor the ship. What time we live in 😔

[@Unlimited_Lives]

I had time constraints on this one I'm afraid (busy week so it had to be done early) but Space Dog will return soon.

[@AvatarRiku]

Irene/Ivan DeGreass for the wheel of names

[@shadowinthevoid]

All valid points but also Janeways answer to the problem in front of her was very on brand

[@Unlimited_Lives]

That's a fair assessment.

[@davidt-rex2062]

Wait... I don't understand how the unexploded bomb could have caused bindless - its its unexploded. I belive this was supposed to be a season arc - which is a shame as its a fantastic idea

[@davidt-rex2062]

Year of hell - not a season arc of the unexploded bomb.

[@Kinepho]

This was supposed to be a full season but corpo interference and budget almost completely nuked it. This would have made an insanely great arc. We never got a good arc since the Dominion War until the Xindi arc in Enterprise. Truly bloody sad, mate.

[@sevans4782]

I totally share your disdain for time travel BS

[@hanagara1907]

but...if it all got reset then it shows he's working on it again, it will happen again and then...perpetual loop...

[@sanddagger36]

supposedly, but apparently enough changed so that Voyager went around it.

[@wendyheatherwood]

I always interpreted it as her interruptng his work when he was about to make a crucial breakthrough, meaning he never got the design to work, or at least not in time for whatever deadline he was working to so it never got built.

[@oddish4352]

Maybe not. If the timeship truly erased itself from history, then Annorax's latest calculations might be about something else.

[@carlosrvra]

I’m one of those folx that’s still waiting for JJ’s bulls**t Kelvin timeline to be repaired & for Vulcan to get unblowed up, so I’ll have to dispute your opinion o these two eps. And frankly, we got what you wanted by way of ENTERPRISE. They did the year of hell.

[@Marcsharp82]

Blame Rick Berman and the execs at Paramount for the reset. Rick didn't even want a two parter. This is an incredible two parter and is what Voyager should have been from the start, but nope. Reset button it is

[@cupidstunt22]

Barence Cloddiker

[@TinySpiny]

I never cared much for the Year of Hell. I don’t mind Voyager undergoing some trials, but with all the buildup, so much feels rushed and pointless. I’m usually more a fan of time shenanigans episodes, but this one? Probably my personal least favorite. Still hate every Mirror Universe episode and 99% of all holodeck episodes more though.

[@shimonnyman1138]

Pretty much 100% Rick Bermans fault it was a two parter with a reset. They tried to do a season arc without a reset button but he's all "nope"

[@TSR1989FF]

Meh; more to do with how the series was required to adhere to what the exec's at UPN wanted; a lot of good series were curtailed or ruined by that failing network. Berman was in a less than ideal situation with crooks like Les Moonves to deal with, yet still managed to give us plenty of great TV before a poor timeslot for Ent', X doing poorly at the box office & Moonves's meddling killed the franchise in 2005.

[@jewishautisticnerd3874]

@@TSR1989FF moonves wasn’t in charge until 2004

[@kestrelgaming554]

Again the big red reset button gets pushed 😑 and it's all ends with a happy ever after. How disappointing 😞

[@Queue_M4]

I don't understand your gripe against time travel stories. A story is made by characters, not plot. These characters did experience those things and we saw it, sure, the characters forgot it all but we didn't. Time travel stories, like any other, are about the characters, not the results. The fact we didn't have any follow up is a shame but that doesn't erase what we saw these characters do in these scenarios.

[@Wixiban1980]

It’s the consistent use of the reset button, one of the reasons many characters experienced barely any development from Caretaker to Endgame.

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Precisely this. Time travel all you want as long as it matters. You say it doesn't erase anything, but that's literally what it's doing. The experiences and growth from that year are gone. I agree that these stories are about the characters, and the characters at the end of this two parter have grown in zero ways. That's just wasteful. It could have been a trigger for Paris learning the importance of duty above personal attachment, but now it won't because it didn't happen. It could have been an opening for Janeway to discuss why she was willing to martyr herself, but now it won't because it didn't happen. A reset isn't an ending; it's the absence of one. Any time travel episode that ends in a reset is essentially the novelty "alternate reality" episode that sitcoms trot out when they can't think of a original idea. It's one rung above a clip show.

[@warppizza]

Chris Rock is lazy? 🤔

[@Unlimited_Lives]

Mocking disability is punching down. Punching down is the province of the lazy or the cruel. My choice of words was generous.

[@AC20sAkimbo]

Erase the caretaker

[@akmi1931]

You’re wrong. You misunderstood the meaning of the end. The whole point is that it DID matter. Everything mattered. Destroying the Time Ship didn’t JUST reset everything. It CHANGED history. The Captain got a second chance. The panning into his research wasn’t meant to imply it was starting again. It was meant to imply he left it on the table, literally and figuratively This is important because if means he never started his crusade in the first place, never tried to tinker with time, never ends up killing his wife and basically eliminated the Crinim time science as a whole. It mattered because it REMOVED the whole time manipulating that was done.