Gielinor Games Season 4 Episode 9 Review - V the Victim

This video contains GG S4E9 spoilers.
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[@Whitsoxrule1]

YOOOO I'm the redditor who made that spreadsheet! I just smiled so big when I heard you mention it, I never expected the players themselves would stumble across it and find it interesting, this just made my day. Thanks V :)

[@Whitsoxrule1]

Also the thread I posted it in wasn't about people's performance in GG, it was actually just in the comments under the episode itself when it was posted on the subreddit. I wasn't trying to start any narratives or anything, I've been working on it the last few weeks just bc I'm a nerd who loves GG and making spreadsheets and I thought it'd be fun to keep track of things. I thought there might be other nerds like me who'd be interested in seeing the data so figured I'd post it in the comments to see if anybody else was interested. Again, never expected that any of the players would find it and I'm so glad you found it interesting ! I plan on keeping it updated each week so ya'll can bookmark it if you want to come back as the season continues.

[@VtheVictim]

Thanks for making it! Soup and lots of us contestants love to see crazy in-depth community analysis, feedback, artwork, etc. about GG!

[@VtheVictim]

@@Whitsoxrule1 Also yeah I misremembered about the topic of the thread. No worries at all - people love talking points and narratives to bat around on the internet. I would never have become a streamer and video maker if I didn't expect some criticism.

[@noone-ld7pt]

Oh shit! I love me a good spreadsheet. Loved your take on the episode 8 challenge. Would you ever expand it to include other seasons? Would be really awesome to see how people have performed across seasons!

[@Whitsoxrule1]

@@noone-ld7pt I haven't actually seen the other seasons, I only discovered GG shortly after this season started. Maybe after it's over and I'm in withdrawal for more S tier OSRS content I'll go back and make one for the old episodes, we'll see :)

[@jigglypuffdude]

I can’t believe Soup accidentally uploaded the finals between Settled and Boaty and titled it “Episode 9”

[@loganedwards5701]

Kek

[@what1fun1v3rs3]

J1mmy's return was great and helped spice up the video

[@gcasar]

thanks for lifting the veil a bit, hope to see your perspective for more episodes/weeks to come

[@VtheVictim]

I've done one for every episode this season, as well as all the ones I was on last season if you feel the need for some podcast-style background audio while you play. This season Settled and Framed are also making some with their perspectives, if you weren't already aware of those.

[@noone-ld7pt]

@@VtheVictim Nice! Have been watching yours and settleds but didn't know Framed was doing it too. Good on ya for shouting out your fellow creators!

[@samuelsafdari7281]

Speaking on the first part of the video, something that might not necessarily come through watching the GG episodes themselves is how there is a difference between being good at the game and being good at GG. Not to glaze too hard but you haven’t been sent home yet which is pretty good expression of skill, whether that skill is the game knowledge, politicking, going under the radar, etc. huge fan of the reviews btw!

[@Ouvii]

So nice of Jimmy to take some clutter off of Lilly's hands

[@Tysteriskians]

I really enjoy prop hunt, but i feel like the tie breaker was an RNG check on which direction J1mmy walked. Given the odd number of people, I think a better tie breaker would have been the tied people acting as seekers. Whoever would find more props wins the tie. Would give another split-perspective sequence that would have more action to it Still, fun episode. Interesting to hear your thoughts, enjoying these videos

[@VtheVictim]

I like your tiebreaker idea a lot. Superior to what was more or less a coinflip. Like you mentioned, the whole challenge was heavily weighted on where J1mmy started. If J1m came through the Warriors' Guild front entrance, B0aty probably wouldn't have been found that quickly despite being the gigantic ToB entrance, and if J1m started far south in Taverley, Settled and I would likely have been found right away.

[@SoupRS]

Super cool idea! Though I won't lie, time wise that would take quite a bit of time. We usually try to stay under 1 hour when it comes to filming the challenge portion of the episode and this would probably just take too long. We had already passed an hour for the first 2 games of prop hunt and this was kind of the best way to break the tiebreaker and do it fairly quickly. But I love ideas like this! Keep em coming :)

[@GenocideLv]

soap gave a puzzle in a ranging guild knowing damn well settled spent like 100 hours there on one of his snowflakes

[@Salsmachev]

@@GenocideLv Settled said in his review that he didn't know the answer from that.

[@Wheatbread139]

Respectfully, I disagree with that idea. In GG there are alliances. So, theoretically people could make themselves easier or harder to find based on the person seeking. Even if you made the first seeker random, the players would then know who the second seeker is. Not trying to imply that players would play shady like that, but it is a real possibility.

[@Asser1212]

I think Settled put it perfectly last Season (think it was last season) when he said the reason you're such a serious contender isn't because you're the best at everything, it's because you're highly consistent. Everyone has a niche or 2 they're powerful in, 2 or 3 they're good, 1 or 2 they're okay and everything else they're bad. For you, it's more like... 5 or 6 you're good in and most of everything else you're okay. Most important however... you excel under pressure. Look at Settled and how he was having a panic attack! In his review he said as much as well. If he had lost the 2nd round there's a real chance he would have gotten into his own head on round 3 and failed as well. You on the other hand were so cool and collected in your banning you made your opponent doubt themselves to the point of losing!

[@kama2106]

"Not sure what he s gonna do with the sabotage" Michael Scott Grimace.jpg

[@scrappyclimber]

Hey V. Just want to say thank you for the videos. I just got back from South Korea and have a wicked migraine tonight. I’m sitting on the couch at 4:20AM chilling to this and it made my pain bearable for a bit

[@togsu6835]

Honestly I feel like the spreadsheet only highlights what makes you such a unique threat in GG, sure the data only says that you’ve been performing slightly higher than the average, but you’ve also shown to have that “clutch factor” to suddenly perform extremely well every time it really matters. All together it makes for a unique sandbagging playstyle that I find very fun to watch.

[@sadie2311]

So sad too see you go🥺 you have become a seriously fast favourite of mine since last season. Its a subscribe from me🎉 excited to see any content from you ❤

[@EresirThe1st]

I feel like B0aty choked for apparently no reason. He always starts making dumb decisions when nervous. If he didn’t throw the second round he could easily have made tribunal.

[@maniacmatt7340]

He's solid until he's off tilt it seems

[@SaoirseDotCom]

My idea for next prop hunt if it comes back next GG is maybe there's a list of objects you're Allowed to be. And obviously this list would be hidden from the seeker. This way you'd easily be able to find the id's for items since I'd include them in the list next to the item. And the list could be pretty long too if they really wanna put in the effort and not make it feel restrictive since you're picking from a list now. I think this would be a good way to do it because you can organize the list based on tall/small items, have the id number next to it, and there's no confusion about what items are "approved" or not because they're already on the list Though this /Could/ mean we don't get things like boaty's funny TOB moment, but hey! they could totally throw in meme objects to the list, like the ectofuntus just for settled :P Soup if you see this ty for your hard work I love GG :)

[@-sk8-437]

I think having a forced prop change partially through the challenge while stayin' in the same spot could've been a neat idea if you wanted to ensure the rounds go quicker.

[@victorseborowski5248]

Thanks for the content

[@toppedbygock]

Can't believe you won two years in a row, congrats my guy.

[@toppedbygock]

This comment did not age well, lol. ...or did it???

[@MrKnifezRUs]

Mad respect for making it as far as you have as the reigning champ. As a survivor fan I respect the fuck out of the non-flashy, brutally effective strategy you have going on, and I hope to see you in the b2b finals!!

[@mostrarename]

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on your DMM Allstars experience as well - really loved your team. Subbed!

[@matttagz1642]

Can we get a review of your takes on Deadman allstars?

[@bloomleaf8310]

3:52 while I kind of agree the timing is weird, I think people would be way more upset if this kind of rng challenge came up when there were more people and knocked out someone who is really skilled at the game vs. someone who isn’t

[@noone-ld7pt]

Problem with RNG challenges is that that could happen at any time. And the later it is in the season the more skilled players are left statistically, so more chance it happens.

[@Catangerine]

The information scroll felt like borderline cheating to me, especially with both of them hiding in the same spot. Was very surprised Soup allowed it so thanks for giving some insight into his oversight.

[@Gagesing4us]

We love u regradless of how you play.

[@crasyrob]

A fun way to do prop hunt would be if Soup picks a number of items for each area, and randomly assigns players 1-8. Taking turns picking items to be. That way there are no "is this ok, is this not ok" items. Then in the 2nd round, players would pick items in reverse 8-1 order. the sabotaged player would have to pick last each time.

[@Farligakurt]

I would love it if there was some small mini challange at the start just to get a order of first to last pick, and then a draft of like 20 props

[@Winsorvy]

Here to support the Chad.

[@SKOLmn]

Your hands out my favorite contestant thats been in any season

[@personious_k]

Noice

[@GenocideLv]

C the Chadtim

[@redwood1542]

yooo interacting for the algorithm, lets go

[@Wise_That]

You ARE an absolute beast. No shame in downplaying a bit. Even if that's not true I really love your vibe and love to watch you play the game

[@yesfinallygot1]

wait so how does the finale work? Was that already filmed or is it done at a later date?

[@Wise_That]

Everything was filmed months ago EXCEPT for the audio of the reactions to the prize amounts. Those are done week of release.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

@@Wise_That I thought Soup just had all of the competitors make reactions ahead of time.

[@VtheVictim]

@@JohnFromAccounting Yeah that's correct - everything is filmed ahead of time, including the reactions. Every once in a while, Soup will reach out after the season to ask for a reaction or voice line if he needs something specific, the audio wasn't good on a clip, etc.

[@TrentonR]

That’s a lot of cloth

[@connergoldberg]

Yeah man I agree. The RNG challenges are best left for the beginning, or maybe just spun at random with a wheel determining the category of the banning (skill based pvm/pvp/rng/trivia/etc). I've sorta put you under the category of above average pvmer/decent game knowledge. Settled, Boaty, Roidie, Faux and Solo are definitely better all rounders (I think Settled is a bit weaker in the pvp side than the other 3). Nonetheless your personality is always great to see in the games where there's a lot of big type a personalities. Bit disappointed there weren't any snippets of J1mmy vs C Engineer beef in there because their banter is hilarious lol. Overall really enjoyed seeing you being brought into the games though.

[@daniellewandowski6945]

It being an rng challenge is well offset here by a very skill based banning in a way. If the banning was also rng based this late into the season it would be an issue.

[@connergoldberg]

@@daniellewandowski6945 True. Settled did a very impressive showing for the banning. Although the first challenge didn't seem to be super skill based and more just game knowledge/cryptic clue solving.

[@54321jcc]

There is rng but not sure I agree with how rng prop hunt is. Different as a spectator vs seeker or competitor but in the example used, Settled did stand out more in Taverly. They were the same items Rhody was better placed. Because Settled was next to other stools that weren’t the same shade and because he was in a more open area he did stand out a lot more.

[@jimbobpanda4851]

I disagree with people saying “it’s better for the story if you don’t win” I feel like it’s a way cooler story that you came in as a sub and won it all and came in this season on your own Merits to run it back

[@jurgnobs1308]

yea, I think chosing the actual thing you stand on was a big sketchy. but the rules allowed it, so it's fine. but probably shouldn't be allowed in future seasons

[@Winsorvy]

Actually victim I think that’s on par how the viewers have certain views on who’s the best or competing the best, versus who is actually the most all rounded competitor. It’s kinda like how the professional sports use to have top 100 and then they would let all the players actually vote in who they thought was the best and it was always like the players and viewers were watching a completely different sport. I also think the RNG episode are fine but when it comes down to a banning it really feel like it should be skill based as much as possible. Kinda like this episode.

[@OldManSilencer]

one thing that comes up a lot is that everyone in GG is a good player it's easy for players that aren't in the games to kind of couch speculate on it. even the so called weaker players are genuine threats and good on their feet Even the PKers are a lot more respectable in PvM and game knowledge than a lot of people give them credit. you're very consistently good which doesn't really show as a stand out as much even in Season 3 you performed consistently pretty well rather than single stand out flash in the pan style events. You're not a larger than life personality like solo mission boaty and even settled a little bit so it's not as obvious how good you are just because you're not as vocal.

[@DaemonJerky]

A little obvious that Settled makes it to the end but cool I guess

[@thymol8301]

You have a KZbin channel?

[@MegaMagnusx]

?

[@LiquidWater91]

I think your putting yourself down a bit in this recap. You've won multiple bannings which means anyone going up against you is definitely going to feel the tension, regardless of how your week to week challenge performance is, and thats all the edge you really need to win this.

[@christianspanggaard]

Boaty's strategy wasn't the best in terms of winning everything but it made for swesome content.

[@trackandxc450]

Imagine if prop-hunt was a pre-challenge minigame that gave an advantage to the winner for the real challenge rather than be an elimination thing itself. Would need to restructure the way banning winners would go though so idk

[@Salsmachev]

It probably wouldn't work due to time constraints. Soup explained in another comment that they were already running up against time pressure with the prop hunt challenge as it was

[@Mnkeys]

Personally I think the challenge is fine. GG isn't always this crazy sweaty BEST OSRS PLAYER WINS game. It's a gameshow, entertainment matters more than everything else. I disagree with Victim in that I think the placement here is perfect

[@Therspoor]

I think that it was perfect B0aty threw so hard coulda easily been in tribunal putting any amount of effort in the second spot. Can't troll around when the stakes are that high I think he is regretting it low key but I love to see it but it did kinda rub me the wrong way it was funny as hell but ... See ya later B0aty better luck next time.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

If J1mmy went through the front entrance, B0aty would have been caught 3rd or 4th.

[@Therspoor]

@@JohnFromAccounting in a perfect world yes, but thats not what happened

[@darrenfunk8440]

I disliked you last season for no particular reason lol I've done a complete 180

[@DaemonJerky]

Victim is washed fr

[@sneauxday7002]

boaty is insufferable, so glad hes gone, half the GG competitors are annoying as hell.

[@WestCoastKid02]

There have been NO skill based anything in gg this season. It’s all just nonsense

[@CaptainPIanet]

No need to lie while you hate my man.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

It's not about who is the most skilled. It's about making entertaining stories. B0aty plays his way and that's why people love watching him.