SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST is TERRIBLE now | dead by daylight

[@Vulpixia]

I forgot to vocally mention that they nerfed the basic attack recovery per token from 5% to 4%. It still works well on M1 killers- but compared to before it's bad. I still should have mentioned it sorry!

[@KitsBasement]

The way it works on Trickster makes me guess this is just Behaviour being Behaviour.

[@matthewwhite1728]

This reminds me of old tinkerer. Where every killer needed to be coded around the perk. They gave up on old tinkerer 11 months after it came out.

[@viralshark]

BHVR has this odd cycle of implementing an incredibly well thought out change, then dropping an absolute turd on us next time around.

[@xandru04]

probably deadslinger, trickster, artist, nemesis, pinhead and wesker are unintentional

[@Mercer526]

Deathslinger worked the same way before so I don't think so

[@xandru04]

@@Mercer526 no he didn't, now when u shoot and hit with the harpoon someone u lose 2 stacks and when hit with a normal attack u also lose 2 stacks. in the past u would lose 2 stacks only when u would hit someone with the basic attack

[@Mercer526]

@xandru04 he's not coded with a special attack, so I see why he's like this

[@keepdeletingmycommentsrebe6178]

​@@xandru04 it's as intended play with your food unless changed recently when you puke with plague for example you loose stacks when hitting some one even thought its not damaging instance save the best for last has the same mechanic now ppl may not like it but honestly this change is healthy its good on certain killers and other it's not dead slinger for example has 2 "instance" of attack the special attack hooking portion and the normal swing it's working as intended

[@xandru04]

@@keepdeletingmycommentsrebe6178 im not talking if the change to save the best for last is healthier or not, the problem im talking about the fact the change to this perk should be "now when a survivor loses a health state even with a special attack the killer loses 2 stacks" but with the killers that i wrote in the first comment isn't the case (just watch how ridiculus is trickster)

[@baconmaster9996]

Trickster and Deathsliger ones are for sure NOT intentional. Ones like Trapper, Nemisis and Knight(among others), you would have to go out of your way to get damaged by those other sources so why punish the killer for that? That's a similar reason for the plot twist change to be removed. As for Pinhead, it's just because of the iri add on that causes his power to damage. I've used Play with your food on him a couple times and despite not having that add on, still lose stacks YET when I use PwyF on Plauge, as long as it's not red power, she won't lose any. (standard loses still apply)

[@SuperBananaPete]

Bring it back to health state based OR revert and make it that you wont get stacks when putting someone in deep wound

[@neomargs]

Pinhead's M2 removes a stack even if you don't damage them? and there's Trickster?? oh boy. These devs are something else.

[@MilesPlaysPriv]

Wesker keeping his tokens on a grab/throw, but Trickster losing it on individual knives is crazy

[@Vulpixia]

💯

[@CandyFlossEnjoyer]

Tbf you shouldn't be running stbfl on Wesker who is by means an m2 killer only

[@dodang_9147]

Knight and Wesker are bugged. Wesker should be losing stacks on a throw injury and Guard is suppose to lose stacks on guard hit. the rest are working as intended. the problem is that this change completely killed the perk, so when the work is fixed, it will be be dead a perk.

[@Pirateking1997]

well 2 perks gave left my build with this update STBFL and Shadowborn guess we gonna replace them with dead man and grim

[@senatorarmstrong1233]

Yep. same when they reworked all the perks most killers went for overcharge and call of brine. Adapt and overcome. I still use STBFL and rapid brutality for Deathslinger though, too good.

[@FMo-c7n]

I think it’s still good running it with rapid

[@metagamer1341]

The Slinger thing also happens with Mettle Of Man, you get 2 stacks if you take a spear for someone and get hit

[@mckaylaskye3152]

So I can still be a STBFL rat on Wesker if I use jewelled beetle 😏 No more slams, just gonna punt the obsession into the sun 😹

[@frogahoy]

They really gutted the perk. I wonder if they'll revisit it in the future? Some of the killer powers interactions with it just doesn't make sense. I think the wildest one is trickster imo.

[@thanatos8919]

Oh my God it's Theee frogAhoy, big fan big fan

[@frogahoy]

@@thanatos8919 thank u very much don't forget to smash that like button

[@the_undead_birb3660]

With Knight I think it's intentional. I reason this because spirit's fury does NOT charge when you break palettes when using a guard. Devs confirmed they treat it as a separate entity and that it wasn't a bug since it isn't you completing the action. This also explains Nemesis's zombies not losing stacks. As for Pinhead I think this is because of the addon which injures survivors and the devs had to count it as an attack because it CAN technically be an attack. On the others I have no clue.

[@hurricane31415]

The Trickster thing is awful and so is the Cenobite one. BHVR sometimes acts like if they have only a few brain cells left. I guess this is one of these.

[@vinnie4609]

They need to revert this! ppl will completely ignore obsessions now and it might encourage tunneling, being able to save your stacks with your power was why this perk was ao fun to use and that -8% just fucking hurts 😢

[@Jetraychamp55]

The devs have a history of not thinking changes through before they make them, so I do not think this is intentional. At least not in cases such as trickster or the artist's swarm

[@xxitjixx]

I still think padded jaws trapper gets some of the most use out of save the best for last. If you can get people to reliably step in your traps, that's 2 hits per survivor and you can just grab the obsession if they step in a trap.

[@liamhm8135]

hello, just seen your video about the toxic jake, i swear there was so much bad stuf in the dbd community back in 2021/2022 with streamers and stuff, but i hope you keep enjoying the game and hope you continue to post because your videos are actually realy good

[@sohamsaha4899]

For slinger -2 for spearing obsession and -2 again for hitting the speared obsession

[@friedchickenchessemilos2687]

They should just make it so Save The Best For Last applies for both basic attack and for special attack health states only

[@tylerledbetter731]

FUCK deathslinger main and why didn't they just make it so that when they break chain you lose stacks you shouldn't lose stacks on a shot

[@ImJustDragonOkay]

That and the artist's crows hitting is insane to me (I already knew about the trickster's knives, so that wasn't a surprise). You lose 4 stacks for hitting a chain and getting a single health state on slinger?! wtf

[@tylerledbetter731]

@ImJustDragonOkay exactly it's so dumb, it make no sense now, it's actually not even worth running on either characters.

[@bigboosted75]

I didn’t even know about this until playing a killer game and wondering where all my stacks went. This change is a huge L

[@jbone3028]

Even after seeing all of the comments saying how it’s bad/it can’t be run anymore I’ve hardly noticed the recovery difference when I run it, and it’s still incredibly viable I can live with special attacks taking stacks, but the 4% cooldown goes right over me, and it’s still an A tier perk

[@yohangasmask5075]

So…Trickster is absolutely gutted by this obviously, and Deathslinger got it bad as well since he loses stacks TWICE. However, Plague can use her green puke to get around it partly, as can any insta-down killer, as they only lose stacks once. It basically seems like they copied the way PWYF works…except not, because Pinhead’s chain only loses PWYF stacks if you use Engie Fang, and people getting birds from teamates or idle crows doesn’t make you lose PWYF stacks either…and guard attacks on knight DO make you lose PWYF stacks…soooo huh… Basically what I get from this is that Knight and Trapper can still use STBFL unchanged, and Plague + Instadown Killers can make better use of it than anyone else due to being able to only lose 2 stacks on the obsession via their specials.

[@ihbupontyne]

I took an extended break from dbd and I come back to my favourite perk basically being obliterated lol. Yeah it's still useable and pretty good, but you now basically should never chase the obsession until everyone is dead, which can lead to so much unhealthy gameplay. But my main complaint isn't about balance, it's about fun. The perk just isn't fun anymore. Half the fun of nemesis and demo for me was trying to keep stacks, now that's just gone. I always thought this perk was pretty healthy so idk why it got hard nerfed

[@alittleclosertoheaven8549]

I don't think this is an intended nerf, it's an unintentional consequence of how those killers are coded, because there should be no reason to lose stacks when doing an offensive action on the obsession that does not damage them. The perk explicitly says that two stacks are lost upon injuring the obsession, not simply using power on them without causing an injure. In any case, the perk is not working as stated - "whenever the Obsession loses a HEATH STATE" - , they do not care about it and they will do nothing about it.

[@artyg500]

This was a L change and behavior shouldn't have done this. This was a very good info video either way so thank you for making it as swiftly as possible! (also gotta love a mikey tombstone

[@FMo-c7n]

I think it’s ok since a while back they had buffed the recovery so it’s like having old stbfl played with skull and didn’t lose stacks with drone injury

[@Gaminboi2864]

They could have made it so that you lose tokens when the Obsession loses a Health State from a Basic or Special Attack. Honestly hate the way they tried to nerf STBFL, my favorite perk and it can still be used for camping. They should make it back to 5% per token but is deactivated while within 4 meters of a hooked Survivor. Boom! Fixed the one issue people have with it.

[@CAPCOURTEOUS]

I really don't like that they gutted the perk.. it made things more bearable against good runners. I think they should give all killers a quick crouch as compensation for systematically gutting our perks. Even the playing field in that way.

[@KUZ3NBO]

With the Knight Rework he now loses stacks and that sucks bc he was like the last killer who pretty much had old stbfl

[@LightWavess]

Lets be real the only reason why they nerfed STBFL is because of the MTF vs STBFL argument back in the days. But ofc BHVR being BHVR was like "oh since survivors cant run 3% faster then killers cannot have 5% (40% eventually) cooldown reduction"

[@Phaselock73]

i only used stbfl on demo and gunslinger anyway so now i can follow the community's tips and not use it on demo for once lol no change to ds

[@Charlotte4Short]

Should've stayed the same before 7.5 EXCEPT you should lose 1 stack when hitting a non-obsession with endurance active and 2 more when you hit the obsession with endurance active.

[@Alex_Lune]

I agree the nerf was terrible but in yhe whole plot twist situation defence, someone can just plot twist, have someone else pick them up and continuously make the killer lose stacks that way since Plot Twist only deactivates when you get yourself up by any means

[@honey-pf9ch]

i mean if someone is constantly going into the dying state they’re pretty useless to the team lol especially if they rely on someone else to pick up

[@Alex_Lune]

@@honey-pf9ch my point being if a team or a swf knows the killer has STBFL they can coordinate to plot twist and get the fast pick-up to counter

[@Vulpixia]

the chance of that is so minimal & it makes it a 1v3 so that trade off is huge for the killer imo.

[@ImJustDragonOkay]

@@Vulpixia even better... it's basically a 2v1 (or 2.5v1) since someone needs to keep picking up the plot twisting obsession.

[@BouncingTribbles]

Most m2 killer mains I've talked to considered STBFL to be a noob trap anyways. Personally I've only ever used it on killers that don't have special attacks. You probably should have just listed all the m1 killers and not gone into any details, it's completely unchanged and is still great on all of them. It's only the edge cases like Skull Merchant, Knight, and artist that needed testing. I agree with your take on Trickster and Cenobite for sure, and it would be nice if it was actually damaging abilities in general. and poor Nemi, can't catch a break from being Three Tap Tony. In general I'm guessing all the weirdness are mistakes, when we'll see these issues get fixed is the real question though. They don't exactly have a speedy corpo culture there.

[@jacobcoates7987]

I've been calling for stbfl to be nerfed for a long time. Perk made camping too free. Especially with forced hesitation and rapid brutality in the game.

[@MrKrispee]

stbfl was fine obsessions are just too dumb to realize when a killer has it and wont bodyblock.

[@jacobcoates7987]

@MrKrispee nah, I had a disgusting clown build that didn't care if obsession body blocked. If they went down taking hits, it just put forced hesitation on the tunnel target.

[@King_Art_The_Clown]

Yes you kept crying about it bc you couldn't just get good

[@UndyingZombie]

So they are basically killing more than 1 killer perk then with what you said about Blood Favor... I did not even know about these changes but I have not been paying much attention to DBD like I used to. ( I have not played at all since Allen Wake DLC, I have also only played for X amount of time after Chucky came out... This is more due to me getting kind of annoyed/fed up with the game in general though. Not because of Chucky/Allen Wake.. I loved Chucky DLC and I also really love the Allen Wake games. So that would not be something that would force me to avoid the game. ) I do not even use STBFL that often same with Blood Favor but these changes seems strange to me.. It really feels like they are trying to kill the perks. I know a lot of survivor mains on forums have been begging for STBFL to be destroyed but Blood Favor is one I do not hear too much complaints about.. So that was a bit of a shock.

[@MrKrispee]

they changed stbfl because people are cry babies when it was perfectly fine.

[@Vulpixia]

Blood favor is fine now- it's health state based. (Unless I'm misunderstanding your comment)

[@MrKrispee]

@@Vulpixia i think they just meant stbfl is dead because blood favor is fine.

[@UndyingZombie]

@@Vulpixia Yea there was a little confusion on Bloodfavor so sorry on that one. If they where going to make Bloodfavor work in that other way it would have ruined the perk I feel. As for STBFL.. Yea they either need to go back to the drawing board or revert it back to what it was before this mess.

[@Vulpixia]

@@UndyingZombie thanks for clearing up! I agree

[@King_Art_The_Clown]

As a killer main who's been running stbfl for many years, THIS IS GARBAGE. I loved this perk, but ofc they cried so hard bc how good it is. Welp this comes to a end Rip stbfl 2018 - 2024 for me

[@s_brainstorm_s]

Thank you for the great video Vulpixia! Your explanations help a lot

[@kalliny-]

Looks like trickster, plague and wesker are something out of line. Should be working as should be.

[@roberthaggard1768]

I agree with everything but, i think bhvr also changed sbfl because of the engame potential is had.Where basically if at full stacks you could facecamp someone and survivors couldn't even trade. But I don't think it should have been gutted like this 😔

[@MrKrispee]

boohoo? maybe all end game perks should be gutted too by that logic. Save was fine people are just cry babies.

[@roberthaggard1768]

@@MrKrispee I'm not saying that? I was saying that might have been a reason that bhvr did that. Idk why you beef

[@TheKaiserSiege]

​@@MrKrispeeNot all killer mains are like this but there's a decent portion that act just like you. Entitled and bitter. The op simply gave their opinion on why they believed it was nerfed and further stated they didn't agree with the significance of said nerf, your response was negative for absolutely no reason. Just like the many killer messages I get for no reason nowadays whether I win or lose, what's up with you guys?

[@MrKrispee]

@@TheKaiserSiege bro literally is complaining about save during endgame which if you make it to endgame with 4 alive and somehow you all lose to save the best for last is on the survivors being idiots. I stand by what I said and nothing I said is "entitled".

[@MrKrispee]

@@roberthaggard1768 your opening statement in your comment is literally about how "busted" it is during endgame when it really isn't.

[@strongwolf8534]

You are wrong. there are zero inconsistencies here. It's very, very simple: does your party have potential to injure? if yes, lose stacks, if no keep stacks. Artist, trickster, and slinger all share something in common - their attacks have the potential, not guarantee, to cause injury. Plague get's away with it because her power, like the head trap doesn't do any damage itself until you power it up, and is easily countered via fountain. Pinhead has a, rathe popular, addon that allows for his chains to cause damage ergo consistent. Everything is 100% consistent. Trapper traps are stationary, "third party" and avoidable, similar to Knight's guards although knights guards, while consistent deserves a unique look specifically because of the buffs his guards received to make them guaranteed hits when used from longer distances; something no other killer has.

[@Vulpixia]

I disagree lol Explain Wesker's throw/grab not counting- you're saying that's consistent (with your logic, it has the "potential" to damage)? that proves it's not (even by your standards) but you're more than welcome to your opinion.

[@strongwolf8534]

@@Vulpixia because, as you observed, the throw doesn't deal any damage, the slam however does. As for throwing into a player, it's the other player who ends up being the source for damage, a third party so to speak. Dimply put his power works like palgue's vile purge or pig's hats. All his throw does is cause a status effect, again, like plagu's puke or pigs hats. The status alone is not damaging (like hindered or tranquilized) but when Wesker's attack deals damage, just like plague's corrupt purge, he does lose stacks.

[@Vulpixia]

@strongwolf8534 -you can slam obsession into a wall (health state loss) -you can throw obsession into a wall (health state loss) -you can throw obsession into a person (health state loss) the 1st causes stack loss (slam), the other 2 doesn't cause stacks loss (throws). They ALL cause injury with impact but not all of them loses stacks. It's not a 3rd party. Not to be crude, but perhaps you should atleast watch the video about Wesker where it goes over this since it's clear you missed it via your comment before telling people they are wrong. (Aka "but when Wesker's attack deals damage, just like plagues corrupt purge, he does lose stacks" = you're 100% wrong) The ONLY time Wesker doesn't injure but causes just a "status effect" is when the throw doesn't impact on an object (seen in vid). If it was "100% consistent," then the grab would cause stacks loss similar to Artist crows with a swarm.

[@strongwolf8534]

@@Vulpixia You are not only crude, but can't handle being wrong. I just easily explained potentially (since I'm not one of the programmers) Wesker's throw is consistent, you just refuse to read what I'm saying and just respond. What? be cause you're popular you get a free pass? you want me to blindly say "you're right"? That's the crudest thing about your reply. While I watched the entirety of your video, you are glancing over my replies. Again, the REASON this is consistent is BECAUSE his M2 is BROKEN UP INTO TWO STAGES, the grab/throw THEN the impact. When he hits another player with his throw, he doesn't lose stacks because it's the third party (the other player) which becomes the cause of damage (e.g. knight's guards). THEREFORE his power registers that HE has caused damage AFTER HE slams players into walls/objects that aren't players. Is this stupid? yes, we can agree that he should lose stacks on grab regardless of hit. Wesker is strong enough as is, he doesn't need the help. Who's logic does it follow? not mine, it's obvious that it's BHVR's and the reason I can tell you how it's consistent is because it's the typical BHVR short notice, one-size-fits-all band-aid fix. Stop being dumb because it's the answer you don't like. BHVR aren't exactly competent devs and you are not some god of understanding. we can agree that the outcome is dumb but you are arguing with me for no reason when what's happening is pretty much plain as day AND WE AGREE ON THE OUTCOME!!! I'm just explaining the obvious nature of WHY it works the way it does. Stop behaving like a typical contrarian DbDtwt troll.

[@jptrady1997]

Honestly the only thing they needed to do was the 5% to 4% change this is alittle too much imo

[@unlondonsoldier5530]

L take, it was as it was

[@senatorarmstrong1233]

horrible? Yes very. But i'm grateful it was toned down on the live release since the obsession could straight up deny you stacks even if you ingored them due to the killer. Like killers like plague or trapper would nerf themselves by using the perk. Also nerfing it to 4 instead of 5 made me go mental. Like I've never heard a survivor ever in in 2 years of playing this game complain about STBFL. Behavior only looks at spread sheets and diagrams. They don't play their own game. Like we don't need Alan wake, a new busted flashlight perk, and a bunch of killer nerfs. We need a casual and ranked mode to separate the ones playing for fun and the ones playing like it's a competitive game. We also need visual tune ups for killer animations. look at Wesker's shadow while running and tell me. Does that look scary to you? 8 years for a fov slider. Crazy.

[@coltonboyd788]

Damn this perk fucking sucks now man 🤦‍♂️ Like wtf man ughhhhhhh. We should push them to revert the changes

[@beardedhankhill1]

They need to change the name of the perk cause it’s no longer “TheBest” aka “Obsession based

[@cottoneyejoesfm]

No, its still about the obsession, you ignore the obsession amd deal with everyone else first, the perk encourages you to "Save the best for last"

[@beardedhankhill1]

@@cottoneyejoesfm my mistake I haven’t read it since the new update

[@DilvishW]

It's weird that you lose stacks for those, but don't gain stacks on non-obsessions for the same?

[@Ssoyokaze]

Definitely feels last minute and they probably forget to test it lol

[@makattack930]

Noooooo I left dbd 2 years ago and this was my favorite perk it was so fun but they gutted it ☹️☹️☹️

[@sasasale1157]

It's a lot of changes and not everything is balanced, and definitely some killers are gutted by this like the trickster, but you know that the trickster will be fixed. However, I played a game today with the clown and I used it just fine in regards to the percentage nerf. It's still lowers the cool down of your basic attack that it is still extremely valuable option in Chase and even when they try to unhook each other, it will be a trade if you have a few stacks. I also played against the killer who used that perk, and we were unable to unhook when they had seven or eight stacks, as they would down us before we could make the save. When it comes to special powers, losing you stacks on the obsession, just don't go for the obsession end of story. If people think that this is a huge nerf, they are deadly wrong and this will still be an insanely, strong, camping perk, as well as a strong perk in chase to catch up quickly to someone, as I have experienced today while playing the killer.

[@noscrubsm]

going for an M2 is always the best option if you're playing an M2 killer. STBFL is still good and works the same for M1 killers (except for Pig)

[@slavajuri]

Yeah, it's still amazing on the killers who need it most. Rumours of its demise are quite overstated.

[@unlondonsoldier5530]

Loser L take, you crying because CERTAIN people use it to camp, not all killers

[@austinoakes3898]

New content creator crush

[@xtexaschainsawx]

They really shouldn't have changed it. Massive L

[@CandyFlossEnjoyer]

Welp cuz some salty surv Twitter mains complained we get another dead perk

[@rodrigoesquivel7467]

this change kill my demogorgon

[@dislogistics9168]

i think it’s fair due to what they did with dead hard

[@kaievee4293]

STBFL is still a great perk, just ignore the obsession

[@King_Art_The_Clown]

Sure Ignore them while they will continue to bodyblock and Annoy the Killer

[@callmevexx]

What a shock, one of the most overused perks is now one of the worst.. THANKS DEVS ❤

[@legobatmanthevideogame3194]

stbfl demogorgon mentality:

[@callmevexx]

@@legobatmanthevideogame3194 fr

[@white_hound6811]

Behavior sure loves nerfing weak killers lmao

[@callmevexx]

@@white_hound6811 Ofc, like poor Sadako

[@white_hound6811]

@@callmevexx the stbfl nerf is basically a pig nerf 💀 you can't make this shit up

[@yodabuthesbaked1961]

Yeah trickster is tragic lol

[@rabbidguarddog]

Fucking hell. I rarely play trickster but when i did i used stabiffle it helps with switching too and from the knives 😅 good to know though.

[@rabbidguarddog]

Follow up comment: when made for this was at its worst, it made sense to have stabiffle in your back pocket so that the m1 speed could help with managing the survivors in most cases, I think as long as the extra hits in dbd don't go haywire again having stabiffle gutted shouldn't be a big deal, might like to get yalls opinion.

[@crappywinstonmain]

this was one of my fav perks huge L

[@worm11112]

i think its fine still

[@jayaki]

pix #1 youtuber

[@countryfemboy5795]

What in the hell 😭😭😭

[@cha_chi82]

stop abusing perks and they wouldn’t need to nerf them. same with the grim + dead combo. enjoy it while it lasts

[@VISTlNAL]

Love the content 🫶🏼

[@leviatan4891]

good change

[@MrKrispee]

you're dumb.

[@declan_dimitrescu6285]

Eh i highly and respectfully disagree yes It got nerfed And it Now does 4% compared to 5% but 36% basic attack cool Down Speed is Absurd on M1 killers And not to sound Rude but idk where u Got the knowledge saying that its just M2... it works for both Basic and special attacks Stbfl + RB is Still a meta perk and Basically the most used combo on Killers like Clown/doctor/ghost face/Pig/ death slinger and SM So Before u make yaself look like a idiot (bit to late on that) i suggest Doing actual Reserch and Read the actual Description of The Perk 💀😭

[@Clown_the_Clown]

StBfL never needed a nerf, anoth unfortunately common BHVR L.

[@unknownuser0813]

Stbfl isn't really that powerful tbh,survivor mains are just bunch of cry babies

[@King_Art_The_Clown]

They really are and i hate f***ing hate them like omg

[@LegionCat]

lol i remember when i was playing killer i locked you in the nostromo wreckage secret room and you reported me😂 it did nothing too💀💀

[@Vulpixia]

pretty sure i said on stream that it likely wouldn't do anything but why not try. thanks for the engagement push/view, tbh that's worth the report failing for me cause atleast i get paid. 😌

[@LegionCat]

@@Vulpixia yeah i can tell you desperatley need that 0.1¢ 💀

[@ImJustDragonOkay]

Oh wow... she reported you for something that is actually reportable and bannable? No way... how dare.

[@LegionCat]

@@ImJustDragonOkay cope lol im simply better ez vulpixia kill

[@ImJustDragonOkay]

@@LegionCat I'm sure trapping someone in a corner that they can't escape from was indeed an easy kill

[@bennett_ig]

the spaghetti code is spaghettiing oh jee

[@FMo-c7n]

I think it’s ok since a while back they had buffed the recovery so it’s like having old stbfl played with skull and didn’t lose stacks with drone injury