VW Golf GTD: A VW Golf GTI with a Turbo Diesel

VW Golf GTD: A VW Golf GTI with a Turbo Diesel. VW ships over a German Market VW Golf GTD for MotoMan & Mean Gene to dissect. They drive the car and put it on the rack to answer the question: Is the US ready for a Turbo Diesel VW GTI?
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[@rootsmanuva82]

I love the old man explaining the engineering of the MK6 platform. He really knows his stuff, love mechanics like that.

[@SergiuM42]

The LED lights are pulse-width-modulated. This means they turn on and off at a certain frequency. The camera just happened to capture it when the LED is on and when it is off.

[@MotoManTV]

If you look at our other films, we only mention MPG claims if either a. We experienced a certain MPG from our own driving or b. We were provided MPG data from US EPA. While we did get our own figures on this car, it has yet to be tested by US EPA. The 56 MPG claim is based on the European Cycle - which is different than US ratings . . .

[@tadam25]

I would love to see this car in North America, for everyday driving you get better fuel economy but you don't sacrifice to much speed, its also built very well

[@MotoManTV]

Forgot to bring up the Golf R business case again. VW looked at that as a 'small dedicated' group and planned only 5000 units for a two year US run. They ended up selling that many in one year. I would be interested to see if the same case could be made for a MK VII GTD.

[@PhilliChzStk]

My '04 GTI was finished in Brazil... Some of the MKIV vw's were built in Mexico and South America (and it shows sometimes, haha).

[@MotoManTV]

Yes, the car we had was equipped with the adjustable suspension but not the BLIPS.

[@MotoManTV]

The question here was not whether they would bring the MK VI over but a GTD version of the MK VII. As far as quality, have to politely disagree with you. This car is head and shoulders above other cars available in the same segment and even better than the Mexican built VWs.

[@bob808]

I know I'm 2 years late, but I just wanted to mention the Mk6 GTD was sold here in Australia for $39,290. The GTi was $40,490. So the GTD was $1200 cheaper.

[@STAK_22]

I say bring it over! Most VW cars that I see on the road that has a liftgate, are diesel. And the reason that I didn't buy a MKVI GTI is because of the sub 40mpg fuel mileage. And the reason I didn't buy the MKVI Golf TDI is because of the subpar performance and because it's not made in Germany (just like my MKIV GTI, which was made in Brazil). The GTD combines these two very important facets to form the perfect GTI!

[@gene978]

You're Right MotoMan! As excellent as this car is built we Americans are going to say I can buy a Dodge Charger RT with a Hemi, or a New Mercedes CLA, or a Nissan Path Finder, and it will be such a small dedicated to VW and or people with money that don't care for big cars. Interesting how this plays out.

[@MotoManTV]

AGREED! But, did you know who worked on the concept version of the new Scirocco?

[@MrVwkevin]

yes, bring it over. Also bring over the Tiguan Tdi.

[@erickessler6094]

MotoMan, for your survey ... Yes yes yes... bring the GTD to the USA. I agree with your concern about cost and other options like the Audi; however the GTD does not have the same "mission statement" as say the A3 or other $30K choices. The GTD has a sporty fun to drive element that goes well beyond that of an A3. Yes I could purchase a used Porsche Cayman but then I would not meet my efficient travel needs (with fun on the way). Yes bring the GTD to the USA ... ASAP :) Thanks

[@MotoManTV]

So here's the good news - going to drive the Mk VII GTD that is states bound TOMORROW!!!!!!

[@Joshiwhoop]

how he says 'deutschland' is just awesome :) greetz from germany :)

[@HardBoiledGregADV]

I would definitely consider it. The trade-off in off-the-line performance and fuel efficiency would be worth it to me. Now if the thing were to run $35K USD or more then it would probably not be worth it to me. As mentioned, there are some very fine cars in that price bracket.

[@rootsmanuva82]

As far as torque goes, just get an APR stage 1 tune on the GTI. With the tune the GTI absolutely CRUSHES the GTD in the torque department with 317 lbs./ft. And it has 92 more hp than the GTD at 260 hp. If you drive with a light foot you can easily get 30-33 mpg combined. Drive aggressively and you'll get around 25-27 mpg. No brainer which is better. I'd give my left nut for the Green color found on this GTD though.

[@MotoManTV]

Only when you see it in film . . . A bit of a trick LED plays on the camera.

[@MotoManTV]

Thanks! If it were us, we would go for the Scirocco but that option is not available to us . . . which is probably the reason WHY we would do it . . .

[@SwPiotrek]

Great video MotoMan!

[@dazvaz144]

Ur absolutely right. That car at that price would never sell here. Americans want BIG for that. It's too small. Great mpg, but what's the payoff for the premium? Probably 100k miles or so. 25k, however u gotta get it there, and it's a slam dunk. Thanks for the video. I've been waiting for info on this car since 2012. I've since bought a 2014 Mazda 6. But I envy that GTD

[@AdamSe7en]

That's an awesome color. I would never get it, but I really like it.

[@SheaClayFarms1]

There are a lot of volkswagen enthusiests here in north america. With that comes the diesel junkies and I have no doubt that GTD will sell well over here. The diesel movement is coming and I think this car will help. BRING IT OVER PLEASSE

[@MotoManTV]

WIsh granted . . . Looks like Herr Valbeuna watches the show and reads these comments regularly . . .

[@MotoManTV]

Not so. During my visit with the GTD, I topped out at 38 MPG. Looking back at the GTI, I was able to do the same time of driving in the mid twenties.

[@hugoboss2018]

Something wrong with it mate I've got a mk 7 and I've seen an average of 61

[@mable12345]

great car got one

[@H-SportPerformance]

really good video guys! working out if i should buy this or the diesel scirocco...

[@fasttrack564]

Yes bring this car over! I'd buy it.

[@jay123health]

Really wish VW will bring this too the states

[@KnightsTemplarChurch]

to the states. Too much. Just being kind. I agree bring it to the USA. Amen.

[@MotoManTV]

Vielen Dank! Früher habe ich leben und arbeiten in München. . .

[@les937]

Hell yeah I would buy one you can go fast and still get over 40 mpg that sounds like a win win to me.

[@DavidKoppe2000]

gimme this in wagon form and I'll buy this over almost anything on the market.

[@MotoManTV]

You are seeing a bit of trick. LEDs strobe when you see them through the camera lens.

[@bigbadt444e]

GTD under 30 and I'm in ..

[@LamboGallardo560]

I've never heard of a GTI being built in Mexico. As far as I know all GTI's are built in Wolfsburg, Germany. My MkV definitely was.

[@superfurtz]

Something you reporters and most non-diesel American drivers don't get... The price of diesel vs gas is a moot point. I still save $100's per year driving a TDI over a 5-cyl gas Jetta (same performance) even though diesel costs more. Granted, diesel drivers tend to buy for the long-term. A GTI driver will ask if it's worth buying a new (GTD) or just buy a cheaper used sporty hatchback. A diesel driver will say, woah! about time we get the GTD. I'd buy it new and drive it for at least 10 years.

[@nitsudg]

LOVE LOVE that color !!

[@Boomer2Galactica]

Good review

[@aric889]

Unfortunately I don't think it would do well here in the states as it seems VW is putting out so many style options of golf (gas, diesel, and electric). That being said I think if VW supported an premium aftermarket for the TDI where you could build a GTD that might fit better for enthusiasts..

[@MotoManTV]

Wait, is it not on offer in Greece?

[@erickoch4243]

yes bring it ! I 'm currently in the market debating either a GTI or Diesel golf , this would solve the issue , case done -I would buy one today . ( in a manual 4 dr ) what you stated I agree , In Maryland , diesel costs average 0- 15% more than 89 gasoline - however your milage averages 10-20% better Depending on driving habits - the costs more (yes) that said I buy a car and keep it much like the europeans , as my current vehicles are a 84 vw westy ..over time I believe that the diesel would have benefits paying for itself over the gasoline power plant - also the Golf itself is a quality eco box that you'd keep for 10-15 yrs at least unlike other eco boxes that fall apart in the third year - anyway thats my logic -

[@erikpassat]

The GTD is GREAT

[@MotoManTV]

Ah, now that is a different question. What would I personally buy for US$35,000? A used Elise . . .

[@southeaststreetmeat1427]

At the right price point I would be more interested in the GTD than any other hot hatch on the market

[@yippie6862]

The new GTi now has the same amount of torque @258. If VW were to bring this GTD to the USA it would need to be more powerful but that might cost more and get less MPG.

[@dieselmutt8865]

That is subjective. People often only refer to published or peak numbers. Big mistake! The rpm and rpm range where the torque/hp is applied and carries across is often more important that peak numbers themselves. Kind of like a big picture vs a small picture perspective.

[@seriooous]

Does the Daydrivelight blinks/flashs?

[@googlyg69]

Correction: the Mark 6 TDI *is* made in Germany.

[@landon390]

Bring it over .

[@nggomez60]

Euro prices have nothing to do with the prices in the US. This car would cost exactly the same as the GTI.

[@josh1303]

Make it affordable. If u can get a well equipped GTD in that colour in NA in low 30k 4 door. Id be in with a DSG.

[@JmanSKokh]

Please do bring the Golf GTD to North America.

[@KuraundoClown]

Am I seeing bad or does your GTD go crazy with his LED Daytime Running Light, when you turning on your normal light ??

[@JJKSeattle]

Isn't the Euro-market GTI/GTD loaded up with optional goodies not offered in the North American version (adaptable suspension, blind spot warning)? Even my top-of-the-line, German-built $42,000 VW CC VR6 Executive is "de-contented" compared to the version offered in Germany. I believe with sensible option manipulation and the lower Mexican labor & production, VW should be able to offer the GTD in N. America for GTI prices.

[@kgamaseg]

MotoMan, you intentionally did NOT mention the 56 MPG sticker VW has on the GTD. We "Americans" who buy VW ARE NOT the same ones who buy hog-SUV's. I trade in my Jetta hybrid in an INSTANT for the GTD!! I went TDI (2012 Passat) & am on a Jetta hybrid...BAD MISTAKE!!! BAD MISTAKE!!! I should have gone traded my wrecked passat for the SAME CAR: A TDI. Fuel prices? Dude! have seen the price of super unleaded? That's what the GTI calls for, DUH!

[@Birmingham_racing]

remap the gtd you get more performance and still better mpg than a gti

[@cutekenny]

I drive an MK6 GTI. I would no doubt get a sub $30k GTD as long as it is dressed up similar to my autobahn GTI and I want 4 doors.

[@LamboGallardo560]

Fair enough, not a stripper in the truest sense, but as a car guy would you really want a C250 over a GTI/GTD? Everything I've read has said the C-Class really isn't worth the bother unless you get the V6. Personally I wouldn't. Full disclosure, I bought a CPO MkV GTI last June, fully loaded at $25k. There was no financial reason keeping me away from a CPO BMW/Merc/Audi, but I've honestly never read anything good about an "affordable" one. The GTI though, always top of it's class.

[@michaelpoeller8111]

The GTI is way more expensive than the GTD in Germany. Usually german cars are sold 25 to 40 percent cheaper in the US (which I don't understand, given the fact that americans earn 25 percent more than germans). Should be 25 Grand in the US. The reason for buying a GTD rather than a GTI is not the prices for leded or diesel, it should the fact that the fuel consumption is almost 40 percent less in the GTD in comparison to the GTI...

[@MotoManTV]

Keep in mind that US$35,000 would buy you a modestly equipped Mercedes C250. Yes, a different car type but certainly not a stripper.

[@eWasteman]

Imagine how much torque you'd be getting from that thing after a bit of ECU tuning

[@PlanetExpress3012]

I know that VW is all about "world domination" right now , but I believe that if they were to bring the GDI over it would not do well in the states. VW is doing very well at the moment offering 13 models in the states.Instead of bringing the GDI over VW needs to consolidate and focus on the range they offer now. I hate to use this as a business example, Apple:Music, Phones, Computers, & Tablets. No dilution of the brand. Each a success b/c they are the main focus. Lastly, new Phaeton please.

[@stano008]

Bring the GTD to North America!!!

[@jay123health]

This is why VW is not selling so well here in the states they wait a couple years to bring stuff here like the new golf Europe had for two years now and we are just getting it now why what a shame but I do love my 2013 golf TDI though

[@josh1303]

Also interior in these cars need a step up!

[@transconductor888]

I am curious as to why the Mexican built VW's (ie:GTI) are lower quality than the GTD is? Does this mean that the Wolfsburg edition GTI is better quality than the GTI's built in Mexico?

[@PhilliChzStk]

Bring over the Scirocco!!

[@KennyPang]

I would buy it.

[@A997-g4e]

Moto Man has no idea what he's talking about. The GTD is like 30k euros in Germany, he must be including taxes in his price. The Mark VII GTD is def coming to America (VW's biggest market) and it will be made in Puebla to keep the cost down. This car will cost about the same as a GTI, not $35k! Moto Man needs to focus more on researching his vids and less on those stupid hankerchiefs. Not a serious automotive journalist.

[@snooz78]

I seriously think you answered your own question. Think about it.. not so much difference in the specs of a Wolfsburg other than built location. I look at it like guitars... I can get a cheap Les paul from Mex for about half the price of a Les Paul in America. soooooo..yeah....:)

[@manoshaf]

BRING IT TO GREECE

[@JJKSeattle]

I would buy a GTD in a second if they brought it here. Period. And I drive a 2013 CC 3.6 VR6 4Motion

[@weirdshibainu]

Yes bring it over,no don't sell me one made in Mexico.

[@richardgoforth]

I love my Jetta Sport Wagon TDI. Unfortunately it looks like the new models require AddBlue. AddBlue is an amonia based diesel exhaust additive which cleans emissions before they leave the tailpipe. Oh well. The torque makes the diesels fun to drive. If I really want to have fun I can use launch control in sport mode. Fuel mileage sucks when you accelerate fast. GTD??? OK some people might like it. But what America really needs is the new 7 speed DSG transmaission. My 6 speed DSG is awesome so 7 speeds would mean better performance and better mileage. If you love a stick shift you will love DSG. DSG is basically an automatic stick shift. You can shift manually in sport mode but you do not need to step on a clutch. What is not to love?

[@PhilliChzStk]

Pininfarina?

[@atifsadiqian]

I will trade in my BMW 335d in a heart beat for the GTD, please please can we have it in North America................

[@zloben9000]

Mercedes Benz C class or a BMW 328 would be my choice

[@johnbro2639]

Not the Golf R32!

[@TheReapersSon]

WHYYY... WHY do they neuter cars for the US market?

[@curlyfryactual]

I don't think his translation from what the car is in Europe to what it is here is accurate... Voodoo math. Nonetheless I want that car here and the popularity of diesel is growing in the US (TDI already made it here) so maybe sometime before next decade.

[@JoJoJoker]

Did you watch the video? It's $56k in Europe and would be about $35k here. The new Mk7 GTI with those same options is $35k here (including performance pack that's $1,100)...so throw in the TDI and it's Golf R turf. Who'd buy this over an R? 500 really in-the-know people.

[@dwej9080]

VW has to leave the electronic gadgetry OFF the car and keep it simple. All I want is HID headlights. You can keep the back up camera and all that other stuff for the incompetent drivers. What is the point of power seats if there is one driver? After you set the seat position once you are done. If you knew how to set your side mirrors you would not need blind spot sensors. It would be nice if there was "chinese menu" options instead of "package" options. More aerodynamics and less gadgetry

[@coldbloodedfasist5536]

_Just put an HHo Generator and fuel economy goes up 50%+!!.......Not Joking..!_

[@j0phus]

Want. I would buy this over any entry bmw or audi. I'm not rich enough to drive real ones, so why bother with the cheap ones?

[@tcparker2]

Damping.....its damping

[@mountainhobo]

It will cost $25K.

[@mrtypr]

brand new or 2nd hand? can u plz tell me mate

[@FelixDaCat1969]

mrtypr brand new in 2015

[@manoshaf]

Unfotunately no

[@tmwall25]

ill pass on the mexican, o wait i mean german engineered, built in mexico gtd; that more expensive and slower than the gti. this car makes no sense at all. vw group thinks were are a bunch of noobs; the margins on this think would be huuuge.

[@axios76]

stop with the cowshit! Bring it in Canada and you will see a business case

[@Birmingham_racing]

remap the gtd you get more performance and still better mpg than a gti