VW group has ZERO chance of catching Tesla (or BYD) EVER

VW group has ZERO chance of catching Tesla (or BYD) EVER
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[@franciscook5819]

As a former software engineer my intuition tells me that VW Group has such poor software because they have adopted a massively flawed architecture. This has likely come from ignorant managers not hiring or ignoring experts and making uninformed decisions early in the analysis of needs. Software is easy - it takes attention to detail, ruthless honesty, exhaustive testing and time to produce reliable, performant software. Given VW Group's responses to the software crises I doubt that they are honest or test software exhaustively.

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[@Chilternflyer]

I couldn't agree with you more. I also work in software development. In my experience the issues start with managers (at all levels) that don't consult or listen to the software engineers in the beginning. Then the whole project becomes a fire fight to get 'something' out of the door.

[@icosthop9998]

Sounds just about right. Here on #KZbin you can ride along with quite a few people that are testing Tesla's Beta system and they get the improved upgrade and they will tell you what was wrong and flawed with the past software and what is better with the upgrade. I don't see any other EV company doing that. They may have a few in the house people driving their FSD. But no doubt they will not all encounter the many different things and obstacles and conditions like the Multitude of Beta Tesla drivers . And all these drivers reporting back to Tesla the good and the bad. ..................... And... I would love to see VW getting rid of Herbert Diess, come back and bite them in the ass. LoL 🙏 Like Mr. DIESS Said, Tesla is a moving target 💨🎯 I am also hoping Tesla will hire Mr. Herbert Diess . 🤞

[@robertgregory8964]

This is my experience. Senior managers want to accelerate the transition from vague marketing concept to detailed coding. At the cost of a comprehensive system design specification stage.

[@m_sedziwoj]

I agree that it comes from management mostly, but I would add that mostly because they are people which works with cars for decades, Tesla don't have experience, so take hardware (which is important) as startup, and mostly not for cars. As they using AMD, Nvidia (which was design for cars) and Intel. So normal x86 architecture for entertainment system. Next thing is how you approach to roadmap, and I bet VW go with waterfall, even if they would say teams are Agile, they should start from small team to make prototype and build on it, building team in same time, but they put billions and many people at start so... nobody knows what is to do, so better not do much because this way nobody say you screw.

[@burnttoastbrain]

Why does every legacy car company feel the need to try and launch dozens of electric car models within impossible time frames??? Tesla is winning WITH JUST 4 MODELS

[@flaviosalatino8192]

Because Legacy OEM are using the same strategy of the biggest Company on the Planet, Apple: release a gazillion of products in every category, this Will win the public....oh wait....

[@michaelbedard7859]

Less is more

[@davidbeppler3032]

Moodys gives a higher credit rating based on how many models a company claims they will make. If Tesla said they would have 5,000 models by December 2023 Moodys would jack up the credit rating over night! Then Tesla could just deliver the same 5 and claim parts shortages.

[@icosthop9998]

@@davidbeppler3032 LoL TY It seems Mary Barra is all ready playing that game 🧐

[@dominiclavu193]

Right on Sam! Call all these liars out!

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[@tompatton2086]

Wow, that was awesome. It needed to be said. Actually, the biggest thing their losing right now is customer confidence. There is absolutely no way I would buy a Volkswagen EV now, or in the foreseeable future.

[@blairbrown4812]

They might as well have stuck with their diesel engines.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Who belives the Volkswagen Group is just stupid after the killing of Diesel. The responsibles since early Hitler betraying the first buyers have now rescued the crown juwels and separated Porsche from the rest. There for most analysts unaware is the partnership with Croatian Tesla Mate Rimac with now Bugatti-Rimac and the Hyundai Group. So the owner families safe their assets to get rid of Volkswagen finally and if necessary. Thanks for your fine report showing what goes on. But German taxpayers will settle this problems finally because VW is also partially state owned and to big to fail. And it’s all about the people at the management level and leased badly paid workers. If you do no more respect people, customers and employees you are already dead. It’s not always cheaper at any price and some will learn the lesson of Elon Musk, which they totally underestimated in their given arrogance towards real innovation. I was once shareholder in an outstanding hybrid motor concept using just 1/3 of parts with the kg-performance of a formula one engine. So I personally experienced about what I speak!😎🤮

[@stockbusters1519]

Sam, you are the best for reporting breaking information... SO HELPFUL and INSIGHTFUL. I was initially glad to hear VW resorted to hiring software service from China programmers to correct their dismal software. But now with this recall, I'm going to cross VW EVs off the list for my next purchase.

[@icosthop9998]

Very Good 👍 Here on KZbin you can ride along with quite a few people that are testing Tesla's Beta system and they get the improved upgrade and they will tell you what was wrong and flawed with the past software and what is better with the upgrade. I don't see any other EV company doing that. They may have a few in the house people driving their *"**#FSD**"* . But no doubt they will not all encounter the many different things and obstacles and conditions like the Multitude of Beta Tesla drivers . And all these drivers reporting back to Tesla the good and the bad. ..................... And... I would love to see VW who got rid of Herbert Diess, come back and bite them in the ass. LoL 🙏 Like Mr. DIESS Said, Tesla is a moving target 🎯💨 I am also hoping Tesla will hire Mr. Herbert Diess . 🤞

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[@edwinbergstresser7779]

I totally lost interest in China made stuffs. I cannot trust them anymore. It will be wise to choose other software company not done by Chinese. thank you for your honest assessment of VW. Being VW driver for the last 50 years.

[@Christian-fj2eg]

Greetings from Germany. You are so right.👍👍👍👍

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[@markday5797]

As a VW and Audi owner since 1989, now driving a 2019 Golf GTI. This is my last and final VW group auto, they have lost their way

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[@davidbeppler3032]

Enjoy your new Tesla!

[@James__Gregory]

2020 GTI here...last generation of the buttons. LOL. I can't wrap my head around any of the new VW products, and I've had numerous VW & Porsche products over the years. I have to say that I agree and it kinda saddens me.

[@ainschuntayleuhn1147]

If Volkswagen would just focus on One Affordable Car!

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[@mkijn999]

Perhaps they could call it a "People's Car" or in German...

[@martinsoos]

Oh, get real. Both VW and GM will bilk the countries they reside in for as much money as it takes to keep them in business. They are not going down, us taxpayers are.

[@apl175]

Mentality of being a car company, that needs to branch in to software as a side-job vs. a software company from the ground up that needs to learn how to build a car around their software.

[@kabysummit5801]

Electric Viking, VW GM and TOYOTA should hire you yesterday to help advise their transition to electrical vehicles. If they do so in 2022, they may still have a sliver chan e to survive beyond 2027

[@pauljmeyer1]

Once a crowing rooster, now a feather duster.

[@andyfreeze4072]

its now mandatory to say your going to have 20 new models in two years, its now mandatory to sell cars that wont be delivered for two years. yea right, its a slow spiral down. Your right Sam, the OEMs are running around like headless chooks. They thought going to EVs was as simple as reorganising the production line. As Tesla has shown, it takes years of meticulous planning and outstanding engineering to put it all together. The software issues are just symptoms of bad planning and a lack of understanding by management. The business model of outsourcing just doesnt work in this environment. It just adds to the roadblocks they are finding.

[@LarryHatch]

I've heard this a time or three: "Tesla 3/Y is the new Beetle...the real "People's car" created by a charismatic schizophrenic leader, ubiquitous, at every street light, popular, oversold perhaps but beloved, not stylish but still eye-catching, iconic, an instant legend, etc". As a child we had a game to count red Bugs as we rode along and it took just 18 months to reach 1000 with my young buddies at school. I see 10-20 Tesla a day in my city of 1.2 million and recently drove past 16 at a major shopping mall's charging center.

[@feet_first]

VW are still building a massive number of bugs. Software bugs.🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@docsnider8926]

VW Beetle was cheap, Model 3 is expensive, that’s the difference.

[@LarryHatch]

Yes! And as I recall your brain was 2 inches from the glass and an unforgiving steel dash just in case you rammed into anything larger and harder than a marshmallow.

[@LarryHatch]

@@feet_first Now that's funny. Never thought of that joke. I will be repeating it.

[@Supersurfer12]

Remember about 10 years ago the head of Fiat was annoyed that he was losing money on the 500e and wanted people to stop buying them INSTEAD of improving electric manufacturing.

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[@sigma_six]

Talkin' about VW tryin' to catch up, I thought it was a "Freudian Slip" when you said "doo doo" at 4:57 '; p

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[@chrisl2915]

VW 75, GM 35, TOYOTA 40, FORD ?? where are all the batteries going to come from to produce 150+ new models at scale? Even Tesla with deals with mining companies are struggling to ramp battery production to bring semi and roadster 2.0 to market. It is very likely that Tesla have many models already designed that they could manufacture if the battery supply was available. The legacy automakers are bigger bullsh1tters than the sales staff at their dealerships.

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[@santadam]

Spot on, man! The company deserves to fail for diesel-gate alone. VW just can't wash all the soot off their soul and it's really looking like the EV race belongs to the pure EV startups.

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[@hirzboy]

omg who really cares about dieselgate? You wanna get worked up about particulants --so a few people's asthma gets a bit worse...meanwhile Americans are driving SUV's the size of tanks for one person commuting. Big picture please! VW is not going to go belly up just 'cause you want them to. They are selling over 50% of all EV's in Europe.

[@icosthop9998]

Software problems. Here on KZbin you can ride along with quite a few people that are testing Tesla's Beta system and they get the improved upgrade and they will tell you what was wrong and flawed with the past software and what is better with the upgrade. I don't see any other EV company doing that. They may have a few in the house people driving their *"**#FSD**"* . But no doubt they will not all encounter the many different things and obstacles and conditions like the Multitude of Beta Tesla drivers . And all these drivers reporting back to Tesla the good and the bad. ..................... And... I would love to see VW who got rid of Herbert Diess, come back and bite them in the ass. LoL 🙏 Like Mr. DIESS Said, Tesla is a moving target 🎯💨 I am also hoping Tesla will hire Mr. Herbert Diess . 🤞

[@GH-xt5df]

The most competitive SUV series of BYD since 2019 is the 5-seat Song series, instead of 7-seat Tang series. From Song Pro DM to Pro DM-i to Plus DM-i, or Song EV models, the Song series has been the best selling SUV series in BYD records, millions of Chinese customers who set their order months ago are still waiting for notification from BYD sales to get their new Song SUV. That's why you won't see BYD Song series shipping to Europe or North America or South East Asia in the coming months, at least not a chance in 2022. It wasn't about technology sanction or shortage in chips, no, BYD has very few impact from sanctions of all kinds, the main limitation right now is it's expanding the production capacity as much as it could but building factories take time!

[@chuck2200]

VW is also going to produce 2 trillion vehicles next year. 😂Why don't these companies just do their own thing and forget about catching Tesla, they're decades behind.

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[@icosthop9998]

True, I would love to see VW getting rid of Herbert Diess, come back and bite them in the ass. LoL 🙏 Like Mr. DIESS Said, Tesla is a moving target 💨🎯 I am also hoping Tesla will hire Mr. Herbert Diess . 🤞

[@tonyspiegel6771]

I recently recieved my Tesla Model 3 and have owned it for 3 weeks. Like every new purchase where you buy a new technology you have anxiety on wether you have made the right choice. I can tell you after owning it for three days I realized this was the best decision I had made. It really does everything it claims and has a premium finish. As for saving money I have solar and it is a no brainer in hindsight now to have an EV with Solar and even without solar you will only spend a 1/4 of what you use to spend owning an ice car. 2 months prior too recieving my Tesla my ice car still only 4 years old and under waranty had the engine catastrophically fail. It was a Skoda Superb with all the bells and whistles. As Skoda is owned by VW I can only tell you my only experience with owning a VW product was the worst car ownership experience I have had in my life. I couldn't wait to get away from ICE cars and now cant see why anyone would like to suffer the ownership experience of anything made by VW Group. I am not suprised VW group are having so many problems and I will never purchase anything from them again. VW group dont want to help you they just want your money and deliver a sub standard product that looks great on the surface but is poor underneith with no service or support after you buy it. Sfter my experience with VW group I cant see them surviving the EV competition that is coming at them and there substandard products and services.

[@michaelbedard7859]

No chance in the world will they ever move a head. They will never catch either Tesla or BYD. Your 100% on the money with everything today. Tesla took 10 hours a car before full use of giga castings was introduced. They are doomed. BYD is making to many car styles right now.

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[@icosthop9998]

True, I would love to see VW getting rid of Herbert Diess, come back and bite them in the ass. LoL 🙏 Like Mr. DIESS Said, Tesla is a moving target 🎯💨 I am also hoping Tesla will hire Mr. Herbert Diess . 🤞

[@davidbeppler3032]

Some day soon BYD will make a profit on EV sales. When that happens, it will just be Tesla 60% market share, BYD 30% market share. Everyone else, share 10%.

[@jamesmoore560]

The reason why VW can't build an EV is simple; they can't translate "umlauts" into their software.

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[@maxkonig559]

VW should've used Panasonic battery since they are built with quality and excellent reliability which is the reason why Tesla picked them to start with.

[@keithlamontdavis8047]

All in on Tesla.

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[@chrisheath2637]

No matter what VW do, there is no guarantee that they will solve their software issues. Auto software is engineering. A legacy auto company DOES NOT value engineering - they are considered below MBA management structure - ask Sandy Munroe. Except EV software now includes electronic expertise, battery and thermal management systems, motor control and system architecture. Where does the MBA management fit in with this ? VW, along with other legacy auto think they can resolve the software " issue", (along with other "EV issues") with management decisions...Which, in fairness, is a methodology that has worked for decades - bear in mind dinosaurs were successful for millions of years - until suddenly, they weren't. The Innovator's Dilemma (Christensen) explains this really well...disruption ALWAYS comes from outsiders....

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[@MelanieJoules]

great comment…you are so right! 💯 OEMS are so arrogant and laughed at Tesla for decades. In time they will be crying in the corner😭😭😭 🤣

[@EricLarsWermerssen]

VW - the talking company 🤔👌

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[@noleftturns]

Ever drive up to a fast food drive-in and the menu is 8 sections wide - a hundred things to consider and you give up and order a burger and fries to go? VW is insane and I hope they double the number of brands they want to EV - make 200 different car models.

[@CiaranMcHale]

@William Arrington I often disagree with No Left Turns, but I agree with him on this issue. Marketing research strongly suggests that companies with a sparse product range tend to have better sales than companies with a much wider product range. A BestInTESLA video provides a good discussion on this issue: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip7cZ3xracl2j6M For another data point, if you visit the Dell website you will see that the company offers over 300 different models of laptop. In contrast, Apple offers only 2 or 3. Apple is much more profitable than Dell.

[@ambessashield9360]

I can confirm that the software in VW ID4 is buggy. My previous car, Hyundai Kona 2020, had far more stable software. VW should’ve hired Swedish programmers.

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[@nigelweir3852]

Gm recall cost lg 1.2 million dollars but cost Gm time

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[@timtessman3107]

S&P RATINGS UPDATE REQUEST Let's see how the metrics look for the Auto and EV companies after Q3 results. Can you make a comparison of Q2 and then Q3 2022 I can replicate a spreadsheet for Q2 easy enough, but I figured you might get a nice video from it. > Do investors realize F is not Investment Grade ? Do they know GM is slipping away from their ranking ? Only payments to S&P help maintain it. Take care.

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[@Frank-mo5vr]

Sam, very right..... nothing more to say

[@danielroden9424]

2 billion? for a fucking menu that talks to some chips in the car? i bet spacex spent 1/50th of that to write the code for their rockets to land

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[@perlaursen1885]

Hey Sam my good old aussie Viking friend. Watching Steven a lot are we? Have a nice day. Per L Viking Jutland.

[@HomesteadEngineering]

Does anyone here have a 2023 ID.4 with any significant software issues?

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[@icosthop9998]

I hope you can remember like 2 days ago, on this channel; those who had those cars were praising those cars 😳

[@icosthop9998]

Damn ❗️!❕️!❗️ Homestead Engineering 😳 I can see your concern , you ordered one of those cars 🥺

[@myselfalex]

I've heard of people with some minor software issues, and a vocal few with major issues, but it really seems like this video is blowing it way out of proportion vs real life.

[@bob52me]

I have had a 2021 ID.4 Pro S AWD for a bit ove a year and put almost 30,000 miles on it. I can count on one hand the software issues I have had with it and each time it was corrected by turning off the car and turning it back on...just like any computer. That said, I am looking forward too the changes coming with the most recent software update. But I want the updates only once they get it right.

Lol GM 35, VW promises 75, why not 750 new models 😂? Just empty promises 🤷🏽‍♂️

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[@lyfandeth]

I needed some custom financial software, just a macro really, written some years ago. We asked for the best person our temp agency had. I figured it was a half day job. After two full days, he left us a piece that totally omitted one of the primary criteria. I came in myself at 6am the next Monday, and using the reference guide to the software, had the entire macro done and working 100% before lunch. So much for alleged programmers. The problem with software is that so many programmers just haven't got even the most basic skills for it!

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[@SamiiYou]

The issue is with training. A lot of software engineers basically go off to university just to have technical manuals read back to them with out doing any real world software development. There's a massive difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

[@lyfandeth]

@@SamiiYou Not always. We were constantly told "write a program to do this" with points for how tight the code was, among other things. If you're program didn't work and work 100%...that impacted your grade. That used to be normal in programming classes.

[@TernaryTrout]

I see lots of ID3/4s driving around, what is it about them that doesn't work ? Just interested...

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[@lyfandeth]

Quickly Sam! We must bottle and sell the KoolAide they've been drinking!

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[@Pluckee13]

I don’t think these legacy oems get it. The software needs to be part of the system and not tacked on. The software needs to sit on top of their hardware and let the software control the hardware. I think this is the reason why Tesla can fire off over the air updates to fix “recall” issues or any issues actually.

[@CiaranMcHale]

@William Arrington Do an internet search for an article entitled "Analysis: Tesla software updates allow quick fixes - and taking risks". A chart in that article contradicts your claim about how common it is for (non-Tesla) car companies to resolve recall issues with over-the-air updates. That article was written in February; perhaps things have changed since then.

[@nguyep4]

@William Arrington lol you think oem are doing it because it is the right thing and not they weren't forced? Funny. GM lost a lawsuit recently for an excessive oil consumption engine that they won't cover in warranty. GM faced a lawsuit to do a recall on small block V8 engines for using substandard materials that cause engines to fail prematurely.... GM deliberately sold trucks that they know to have bad engines...

[@vancity2349]

This is comical from VW and complete BS. Never happen that they could take over Tesla...do they understand how stupid this looks for them? Sam you have said it before and we are seeing it today, the disruption is happening and some legacy brands, maybe many, will not be around in a few years.

[@dr-k1667]

I use to think VW would make it....but as time rolls on I think at best they will be a shadow of their former self. They are lost at sea while going into an iceberg.

[@moremileyplease4387]

Tesla is a software/Artificial Intelligence company that makes cars & etc. They expand in other areas because everyone else is below standard, e.g. recharging stations, batteries/energy, insurance, solar, etc. So their competition should be Google, Apple, or Microsoft. But that's not happening, so car companies will just have to take 10-15 years to catch up, but cars will definitely be driving themselves by then. Buy Tesla stock. It will be like the CHOAM company on Dune.

[@johnmanderson2060]

There is only ONE good mission critical operating system for automotive : QNX, bought by RIM Blackberry. Using QNX as the car OS is 80% of the future success of the software. Apple should buy RIM just for this crown jewel 💎

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[@GH-xt5df]

VW group is investing HorizonRobotics (my former employer) to team up with this Chinese ADAS solution provider for future market share in China and other markets. That's smart move. HorizonRobotics isn't a software company to be honest, it's a company that design and manufacture GPU for ADAS and AD solutions, they also offer solutions based on their GPU products.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Must suck to have to keep 20k people employed because Germany Union will not allow VW to fire anyone. That is why they fired Diess. He said people would lose jobs, bam, fired. The new CEO will be gone by next year.

[@jkajolin]

Nice to see that all is based on actual facts. The status of broken batteries can be seem remotely so no need to recall all. And this is old news already.

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[@jkajolin]

@Enrique A Thiele Solivan bs. when the end user selects online mode from meb platform it sends cell voltage status into server and there you can see the problems. thats how the recall has already being done (some cars have already been inspected by dealers).

[@danielfichana7188]

What was it.. VW world leader in electrification by 2018??

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[@scottmcshannon6821]

75 new EV models? thats just silly.

[@larsradtke4097]

There are now MEB VW: ID3 ID4 , ID4 crozz, ID4 X, ID5, ID6, ID7, ID-Buzz, Skoda: Enyak Audi: Q4 Etron Seat/Cubra Born Non MEB Etron, Etron GT Porsche Taycan VW -Golf, E-up, +skoda, +Seat So basically there are already 20 EVs available. Each model just gets a version for Seat, Škoda, VW, Audi Means 18 different vehicles....

[@tonysurber9111]

The media doesn't hold legacy auto to account because of the advertising money.

[@bayliner4387]

VW should just cut a deal with Tesla. So should everyone else that are too far behind to catch up. Without a deal that are dead. The may theoretically on day be able to eventually fix it but they will run out of resources before they get there.

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[@SmithsMobile]

Maybe they meant 75 sales?

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[@mauriziomauricone]

5:27 Now that’s a close corner LOL

[@quantumbacon]

8.44. The Porche Pecan

[@harvardford8752]

I just don’t care for VW anymore. As much as I love the GTi, the pricing, the quality control, the fit and finish just isn’t the same for thr price they’re asking for. Then there’s their electric cars… I just can’t. I’d rather get the new Honda prologue

[@klauszinser]

Out of safety reasons i am not happy of Volkswagen getting this software from China.

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[@ambessashield9360]

Lol. Another fool brainwashed by western media. Guess what, almost everything you own is at least partly made in China.

[@klauszinser]

@@ambessashield9360 I know, a lot is coming from China. Maybe you remember that the Chinese authorities made Tesla to switch off verhicle cameras in some areas.

[@jaymeow6650]

everything is easy as long as your not the person actually doing the work. good luck GM, VW and all others…😅

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[@apl175]

I feel like GM takes a more simplistic approach. Fewer features and connectivity, but more reliability.

[@stopthefomo]

Good thing VW spun off Porsche! Taycan needs to do its own thing

[@maryhadda8420]

I know there are many incompetent software developers out there (I have encountered my share), but jeez, is this really that difficult? It certainly doesn't seem like it should be. The job is pretty straightforward - run the lights and radio, control battery usage and load leveling, and above all make the software update mechanism bulletproof. If they were attempting self-driving, I'd say yes, that's very complex. But we're talking only basic functionality here. How difficult can it be?

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[@johnmqueripel2367]

They'll never develop FSD, no one other than Tesla has the data or computing power or experience. However, OTA and 'basic' car functions should be within VW's compass.

[@TheFPSPower]

@@johnmqueripel2367 That's false, VW themselves might not nevelop a FSD stack, but plenty of companies out there are building it to eventually sell to other companies and Tesla is not the only one that knows how to do this. Look up Open Pilot, it's from a small company and they are already doing really well with just a "phone" based system.

[@JohnBreezy22]

VW’s problem is a product of their outdated and antiquated boomer mentality. That is, “we’ve been doing this forever, and we know how to do it better than you, look at our history and track record, and get out of our way.” It’s comical to see ads on TV from legacy automakers for EV’s that won’t be on the market for 2-5 years. They never did this with ICE vehicles. Now they say from behind, “look what we are going to do,” as multiple more technologically advanced companies have big leads on them. Legacy auto is a dead man walking, because they can’t get out of their own way. The boomer corporate leadership methods are being disrupted from all angles. What they did in the past is no longer relevant in todays highly advanced technological world that moves far faster than they are capable of comprehending. They can’t even wrap their minds around the rapidity of current converging technologies. On top of that, they have become bad actors, performing in the mainstream media, making claims about what they are going to do and when, even though their generation can’t even figure out how to use their personal cell phones. Put them in their nursing homes and let them stare at walls for their last 5-10 years of life. For decades now, this is the generation that has continuously shit on and denigrated anything the younger generations have been trying to achieve.

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@@JohnBreezy22 Careful, now. I'm a boomer myself.

[@ovi9610]

I have a better idea, VW go to Silicon Valley and hire great software engineers from Tesla. Amazing video, but very hard future for Volkswagen if they don't fix their EV problems.

[@skydivekrazy76]

Lol. Imagine being so desperate for software you pay billions to a country that needs to steal all their IP...

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[@jameshoffman552]

What does ID stand for? I Don't know how to produce as decent battery electric vehicle? ID.3 I Don't know how to make a decent hatchback ID.4 I Don't know how to make a decent compact SUV ID.5 I Don't know how to make a decent full-size SUV

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[@stopthefomo]

Volvo’s decision to go Android Auto now appears like a genius move

[@qilu2004]

android auto doesn't cut it. you cannot change car settings thru that.

[@jmegp]

VW is living in la-la land!😆

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[@TheChipMcDonald]

As 2035 grows closer it will be more obvious the old school automakers are doomed. 2025-26 will see people suddenly realize it, GM et al stock will plummet...

[@1rjona]

Unless they hire those who make UI for phones, not sure Chinese car makers will help solve VW solve their EV software problems. Are Chinese EV drivers similar to Europeans ? Anyone used the the interface on Chinese EVs who are not Chinese? Are they any good ?

[@Dinulik762]

They can do it..🤔can beat everyone if they want.🧐.only because they are still nr 1 car manufacturer in the world 🥱 but they don't take to serious evs right now 🤦 like Toyota and Japanese cars company 🤦 Dedicated in this game are Chinese,Tesla and Sud Korea (Kia/Hyundai)..not forgetting Mercedes and BMW(maybe)‼️ keep up with good work 🍻

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[@felixsu375]

I'm confused why VW a gigantic company with Billions of dollars in assets and literally tens of thousands of engineers can't get the EV to work right. They're just not bothering to.

[@mlhm5]

IMO Teslas are overpriced here in the US ($70K+ after taxes and fees for a MY) and are leaving the door open for anyone to enter the mkt. As you know in ICE cars, not everyone drives a BMW or Mercedes (some people drive 10 year old cars and trucks) so there is a huge amount of room for decent inexpensive EVs that get acceptable range here in the US.

[@yggdrasil9039]

75 different EVs. If VW can make 1,000 of each one, with several artisans working to craft each car lovingly by hand, with the requisite tea breaks and rostered time off according to union rules, well, that's 75,000 EVs. Impressive.

[@timstrauss3060]

South Asian software is fairly notorious. Good luck VW

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[@enderan27]

You are wrong to say that the Chinese company are there for devloping the software for emacan. They are there to develop de backend behind the GreatWall. You cannot simply change region from of AWS/Azure/GCP from West Europe to China (as in any other part of the world works). You need to develop things either those providers but in the Chinese versions or use Chinese providers. And where do you find the best cloud engineers for China? Defently not in Wolfsburg neither in California. Aslo you are mixing the 1.1, 1.2 and the 2.0. That there are problems in the 1.1 and 1.2 does not imply that will be in 2.0.

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[@rogerfroud300]

It sounds like this VW software platform is a disjointed mess. Surely, all it takes is a gifted Software Engineer to cut through the mess and plot a path that will actually work. Huge teams passing the buck between departments is never going to solve the problem.

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[@henrytang2203]

@Enrique A Thiele Solivan Sounds like there are some corrupt execs getting massive kick backs. When you think stupidity is overwhelming - think corruption.

[@TheFPSPower]

@Enrique A Thiele Solivan There is nothing wrong with outsourcing production of parts, all VW (and other manufacturers) parts are ordered to their own design and specifications unless something that meets their needs already exists (example: brake systems). "Integration" is a car manufacturer's bread and butter, how do you think all those electronic systems work toguether? VW's issue is that they tried to make their own software stack top to bottom when starting from 0 and late to the party instead of adopting Android Automotive. Now they realized that was a mistake and are moving to AA but that takes time.

[@williamwoo866]

I always believe never say never, VW might have a miracle and hire the right engineers to get their act together???

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[@johnmqueripel2367]

Never.

[@awabooks9886]

...except all of them already work for Tesla 😏 Can you imagine VW successfully hiring a good engineer away from Tesla?!? 🤣

[@Kaiser333333]

Germans cant even heat their homes with the war in Ukraine raging for years to come. Their entire economy is on life support, no way they sort this out anytime soon. VW might eventually produce good EVs but they will be a decade behind Tesla in terms of vechicles delivered and profit per vehicle sold.

[@feet_first]

@@johnmqueripel2367 you don't say! lol

[@brhutchi]

I still want an id4. Can’t beat free charging

[@dandil]

"hey china! please write the software that runs our infrastructure!" sounds like a less than optimal plan...

[@hawtan4536]

Desperate time, desperate measure, desperate propaganda.

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[@LouDeVere]

It makes me wonder how, to the best of my knowledge anyway as not owing a Tesla, Tesla can produce a working vehicle with their own proprietary OS and get it so right. BYD can do similar with their software of which I do have experience and which overall is pretty good - maybe a slight glitch here and there but nothing I'm sure which can't be ironed out in more OTA updates and is totally acceptable at the moment. We then come to VW. On a technical level, I'm not sure what the problems are, but they must be severe given the reporting. I agree with Sam if this is as bad as he says. They really don't have a chance do they.

[@document6]

(Why didn’t they just BUY a company with functional software?)

[@sharkflower123]

I want my next ev to be a VW. BUT VW needs to reintroduce real buttons and knobs for it to happen. Especially the steering wheel needs real buttons.

[@mshell1959]

Ok

[@wngimageanddesign9546]

The conventional ICE auto business model is flawed. And trying to continue this way and expect different results is mental illness. High debt, low margins, too many models, needing too many spare parts inventories, too many recalls, high complication and repair costs, operating expenses rising. high polluting! And a corrupt and antiquated dealership business model that lowers profits, causes customer services problems and bad reputations. And in certain countries, the problem of corrupt labor unions. VW, Toyota, Honda, GM, Stellantis, all face growing pains trying to transition to EVs. None are computer experts, or software experts. EVs are computers on 4 wheels! Only the Sony/Honda partnership offerings may have genuine competitive success against Tesla. Sony has computer, software, sensor technology prowess. Honda can provide chassis manufacturing expertise.

[@Reddylion]

Hmm

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[@danialmoser2573]

Turd comment. Lol, love your product.

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[@murphylas]

Bait-and-switch: customer wants to buy an EV, salesman says the EVs are awful, buy an ICE instead buy an EV later when the problems have been fixed. Smart customers will run to Tesla.

[@scm4u]

To many.

[@copiernerds]

VW needs to go to Apple with hat in hand to save them.

[@wardagainstuber]

A 1b investment in china is a bad move, their SWE cut corners in all aspects, and along with CCP government regulations, we may see something worse than what they aready have. With 1b you can have a runway of 5-10 years of a solid r&d team in the states.

[@thyreason]

Software is king

[@andriidanylov9453]

:))) this makes my day

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[@jchebishev]

Awaiting your comments about pathetic attempt of Jeep to make their first EV called Avenger

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[@lawrencefranck9417]

Typical legacy auto. Can’t adapt due to institutional and division stubbornness.

[@moremileyplease4387]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@jonnieinbangkok]

That's why the great Donald Trump calls them "fake news."

[@narayanalee]

woo woo woo !!!

[@nielannagan5408]

Don't ever underestimate VW, brand loyalty and market reach. There is enormous talent within,once they buying to the EV story they will be back stronger,note they survived world wars.

[@tuabenjamin]

lol

[@Frankmaui67]

Go Viking!!! Cut through the BS and hyperbole

[@icosthop9998]

1st to give a thumbs up 👍 And 1st to be 1st 🤗 🥇

[@bigadventure3797]

Why isn't Google or Apple helping the big names like VW. Huge opportunities

[@aprapet7218]

Maybe they don't want to lose money.

[@pforce9]

They don't need more money, they need more brains.

[@rogerfroud300]

German arrogance?

[@frankcoffey]

Oh, they want to "help" for sure. They want to take over software defined cars. Polestar is using Android Automotive OS in their cars and I'm sure Volvo and others will follow.

[@hello-fw4zt]

Why would VW be ruled by American software? Why would American company help non american company?

[@blairbrown4812]

I'm not the biggest fan of Elon Musk,and history will not judge him kindly,to put it mildly,but I get the depressing feeling that Musk will soon buy out some of his biggest and oldest competitors soon,out of sheer spite.

[@robertbatson6800]

Why didn't they just have tesla design it they don't have elec and im shure tesla wouldn't charge them much

[@roygardiner4002]

Laughable clip of VW staff building a car underneath whilst shuffling along on office chairs !! I doubt Elon even allows chairs in his plants !

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