VW May Move ID Buzz Production from Germany; Toyota Delays Next EVs - Autoline Daily 3951

[@vrr6368]

"Something holding the ID Buzz back" Yeah, it's a 70K & up price tag.

[@Derty_the_grower]

and someone else like elon or byd or zoox makes them under 40

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT STOP! ⛔☢

[@seymorefact4333]

AND low 200 mile range!

[@kevtheobald]

They might had better success if they had truly did a better job capturing the old VW van look. The concept did a better job, but like many vehicles, focus groups and cost cutting probably killed the cool design. I look at the Buzz and just call an ID Van. Boring and the unimpressive stats just make the price way to high for what you get.

[@markdc1145]

Yep. Not exactly rocket science, is it?

[@junkerzn7312]

Just as a note "1C", "2C", "3C" etc.... those are standard battery charging terms, not "how they are described in China". For example 1C charging is charging at the amperage equivalent to the amp-hours of the battery, thus it takes one hour. the battery terms are related to amp-hours, but work the same for kilowatt-hours. If your car has an 80kWh battery pack, then at 1C the charger would charge it at 80kW for 1 hour empty-to-full. At 2C it would be 160kW for 30 minutes. At 3C it would be 240kW for 20 minutes, etc. Roughly speaking. -Matt

[@foxtrotwolf6081]

I've always wondered about that. I've drooled at the 2c and 3c batteries at the RC counter but always ended up buying NiCd or NiMH due to prices.

[@junkerzn7312]

​@@foxtrotwolf6081 NiCd and NiMH are much safer than those high-energy/high-C RC batteries, they just don't have a lot of energy. One really needs to store high-energy/high-C RC batteries in safety cabinets for flammables they are so dangerous. Its a trade-off between "fun" and "not burning your house down" 🙂 Today's high-C-rate EV batteries are a lot safer, particularly the ones based on LFP chemistries. An example would be the CATL Shenxing 4C LFP battery. -Matt

[@jamesvandamme7786]

So the C doesn't mean China? Are you gonna tell me when the weatherman gives the temperature in C it doesn't mean Canadian?? It's a joke, son.

[@NoName-md5zb]

​@@foxtrotwolf6081 i think you mistook 2s, 3s here

[@Mike-Minion]

I love how these battery material prices are dropping but yet no price drop at the dealers.

[@Derty_the_grower]

great point ha

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT STOP! ⛔☢

[@tigertoo01]

They haven’t been producing enough evs to make a profit so they can’t drop prices. Only Tesla which is the only profitable ev maker will reduce vehicle prices.

[@joestafford6529]

Battery cost decreases help but dealers/auto mfrs. Except Tesla are losing money on every sale

[@markdc1145]

Just the opposite, dealers mark up prices even more!

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Your info on battery price decline is incorrect. The reason for the decline is that a lot of capacity has come online in the US but also particularly in South Korea. EVs are selling like wildfire in China, all of Eurasia, and Australia and demands for grid storage batteries is way up too. So the demand, worldwide, has not dropped yet battery prices have gone down in China as well. It is purely supply and competition NOT a slowdown in EV demand. The number of Gigawatts of batteries installed has continued to go up.

[@ZweiZwolf]

China's car market is now over 50% NEVs that plug in, roughly half BEVs / half EREVs with at least 100km All Electric Range. By 2030, China's car market will over 90% NEVs, possibly ALL-NEVs by 2028..

[@mowensmd]

I come here for the commenters, because they always know more than Autoline

[@BHBeckenbauer]

Autoline are desperate to tell us EV sales are ‘declining’. Yes the growth has slowed, but it’s still growing. I guess that doesn’t fit with their narrative

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@BHBeckenbauer BEV sales in the US and EU are declining because $70,000 USD is too much for minivan, but plug-in sales are growing rapidly around the world due to China selling an order of magnitude more EVs than the US or EU markets.

[@Ljbuddy12]

Why haven't these auto makers figured out working class people can't afford this 70K and up prices for auto's. Heck 50K is nuts to me.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

People keep buying them, then trade them in at 3 years. Then the smart people buy them.

[@mowensmd]

Get a $30k new Tesla then. 0% APR

[@musk-eteer9898]

EVs demand is NOT slowing, OEMs will do anything to prevent EVs to cannibalize their gas car profits

[@markdc1145]

Unions run the OEMs.

[@dantesinfernopurgatory7826]

Keep telling yourself that...

[@phillyphil1513]

(thanks to Elon) "EV's ARE ON AN EXPRESS ELEVATOR TO HELL... GOING DOWN...!!!" (the late Bill Paxton speaks as Private Hudson)

[@ColinFox]

@@phillyphil1513 Except that they're not.

[@03xl883c]

😂🤣😂👌🏻

[@killerhurtalot]

C based charge rates is literally how EVERYONE in the battery industry talks about charge rates in a technical sense...

[@frankcoffey]

How does any fleet manager not see that fuel cell vehicles are a consumable trap?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Boss says to buy them for greenwashing.

[@frankcoffey]

@ The fleet manager is the boss.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

there are always a few that are stupid. they make stupid decisions. in europe we have a few 40 tons pure battery electric trucks on the road and they do well. it looks like they bring good cost savings in the long run. over the life time 20% lower cost seems to be realistic. the trucks itself cost double as much currently but that of course will only get down

[@bssran]

Great Job Sean. Love the show.

[@P.Galore]

Whatever the wrong thing to do is, Trump will do exactly that.

[@Carguytct]

Still better than FJB.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

but even he can't stop engineers and scientists from making BEV better and cheaper.

[@richardpiper4828]

It is time for the VW workers to wake up and understand the threats facing VW and their employees feather bedded salaries and benefits. Yes, the revolving VW management whose comfort and complacency - to say nothing of the legacy burden on dieselgate - has added to their woes but the good times have now come to an end. Pay cuts would be are painful but I cannot see any alternative to job cuts as the VW group now has gross over capacity which is not going to change as the Chinese start setting up plants in Europe. There will be no winners from the problems facing VW. The unions and regional state authorities who control the VW supervisory board have to step up and tell their members and population that the good days are over and realism needs to step in. A long strike would just further exacerbate VW’s problems.

[@joeking433]

I drove an LLV for years for the Post Office and it was a disgraceful vehicle! Got like 8mpg, drove like crap, and didn't have air conditioning. The Post Office could save a LOT of money going to EV's!! In fact it's the perfect application for EV's and if Trump nixes it he's an asshole.

[@jeffs6090]

He should tell Elon to make a Tesla mail delivery truck. That Oshkosk truck is fugly as he'll! It'll be a great typical conflict of interest for the two besties.

[@refuztosay9454]

If it’s such a great idea, why does you need to steal money from other taxpayers to fund your unprofitable projects? Fund your own foolish boondoggles. Trump is not doing anything to stop EVs - he just saying you need to pay your own way. If you think that wrong then you are a socialist.

[@traviscalvin431]

If he nixes it???

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I knew the first episode of "The Apprentice" that Trump was an asshole.

[@gmv0553]

Trump should be careful! The battery plants are in red states!

[@jeffs6090]

Exactly, and we all know how he says he only cares about the states that voted for him. More so, just the counties in those states.

[@refuztosay9454]

Maybe we need to build factories that make useful products instead of EV subsidizing wasted investments. For every battery plant closed we’ll open 3 normal plants.

[@refuztosay9454]

@@jeffs6090he never said that - he actually said the opposite. When are you leftist going to wake up to the truth?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@refuztosay9454 Need to start closing plants that make engines, transmissions, and buggy whips.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@refuztosay9454 the subsidized EV investment is necessary to help the transition. this industry is subsidized all over the world. if some regions do not play the same game, their EV products will stink and lose out to their competition. the progress in this area is happening - no matter if you like or hate EVs. you can't stop this progress. and for you and all other EV haters out there, i will point out this progress in the last 10...12 years by comparing the first tesla model S to the new VW ID.7. this development brought: * double the range * half the price (after adjustment for inflation) * triple the charging speed nobody can stop this progress. this progress means that BEV sales will grow again and ICE sales will go down. this will affect the economy of scale. which means BEV will get cheaper and ICE vehicles will get more expensive. you can like that or not, but these are the facts.

[@michaeljohnson4947]

German unions will be a thing of the past. European ev mandates, will shutter VW, and Mercedes. If they want a job, they should check in with the Chinese.

[@bgomers7]

IG Metall is going to bankrupt the entire German Auto Industry. In a death spiral of sales, no one survives.

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT STOP! ⛔☢

[@toyotaprius79]

You misspelled *Volkswagen

[@bob808]

So the BYD Blade battery is essentially a prismatic design, right? I've heard people say prismatic is the best design.

[@WilliamKirkland-j4r]

Dumb move employees. In view of the existing and continuing decline in sales, you will be lucky to keep a job - at half your current wages. In many ways, Germany and the EU, in general, has a bad day a head due to financial storms 'a brewing'.

[@wallace44able]

Your thinking is exactly why the corporate oligarchs have been able to multiply their share of the profits while limiting the pay of the folks actually doing the work. It's like taking candy from a baby. The CEOs making 100x what the worker does but the worker needs to sacrifice? LOL.

[@MSportsEngineering]

I ❤️ the whole Autoline production team

[@rp9674]

Again calling an EV slowdown between inevitable quarterly surprised announcements of increase in EV sales. Even if unions are inconvenient for you or don't benefit you directly, they get better wages and treatment for workers.

[@mowensmd]

Autoline is a Detroit rag so

[@Rhotz-ix8ll]

Hopefully Trump isn’t going to be as stupid on the EV issue as he is capable of being on most issues. So far his tariff and other plans could tank the entire US economy. If he’s not working for Putin he should be.

[@andrewsaint6581]

Price drop on battery materials. Obviously nothing to do with increased supply? Even Tesla has a processing plant nowadays.

[@beyondfossil]

If demand keeps up with supply, then prices theoretically remain the same as the two curves remain in equilibrium. But there's Wright's Law with regard to production volume increases: Wright’s Law, often mentioned in the context of technological advancement and cost dynamics, posits that for every cumulative doubling of units produced, costs fall by a consistent percentage. This principle, also known as the “learning curve” or “experience curve,” suggests that the more a company produces, the more efficient it becomes, thereby reducing the cost per unit of its products.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

@@beyondfossil yes, in the battery department currently in the area of 25% less cost for every doubling of the production volume. it's not an exact science but it is a good rule of thumb.

[@Derty_the_grower]

Great reporting as always... cheers from the Mitten

[@rp9674]

Left Mitten

[@paulmcgraw9284]

The two sides are close to an agreement? Sounds more like they’re miles apart…

[@chopinmack5418]

VW is dying ! Lobbying groups from the US Oil Industries are 'dumbing down" the EV's & Solar Panels implementation process in the US . ICE cars will phase-out eventually as in the case of Kodak !

[@RJ-nk9wb]

Vw needs to bring the beetle back as an EV. It needs to be made in Europe & the US with a decent battery. Surely it would be a win win! That’s if the Unions are not too much involved .

[@ZweiZwolf]

I'd love to see a affordable Extended Range EV, like the BMW i3 REx, but bodied like a new Beetle.

[@MSportsEngineering]

$50,000 beetle

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@MSportsEngineering If you're talking USD, a new beetle EV for the people should be closer to $25,000 USD

[@MSportsEngineering]

@@ZweiZwolf Exactly. My point is that VW won't do this, but will instead releases a $50K Beetle and then wonder why no one buys it.

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@MSportsEngineering If they pull manufacturing back to Germany, that'll definitely be the case with high German labor costs and trans-Atlantic shipping.

[@musk-eteer9898]

10:12 a merc with 0-60mph in 3.6sec ??? why brag how slow it is and totally road legal with NO windshield

[@dohc1067]

That Merc looks nice.

[@robwalker4548]

we need to reshare as much manufacturing as possible as fast as possible. How we do that is the question.

[@geirvinje2556]

The ID bizz is to expensive. That's really strange, considering the insane subsidies VW gets. This in the form of 0% loans. I really want to see how many billions VW gets. Diesel gate, high divideds, big bonuses and now this. The Germans had been furious if they knew. VW needs to be restructured. Looks like some companies that have close ties to the state tend to become a sosial security for a few rich people. All payed by the tax payers.

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT work!! ⛔☢

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

production volume is pretty low. that makes it expensive. but with the next battery generation should be cheaper and that boosts sales volumes as well.

[@RobertOlds.630]

Re: Trump @ 3:45. I think he'll keep subsidies.

[@RobertOlds.630]

Another great show.

[@markumbers5362]

They need to set up production of the buzz in China for the entire Asian market before it is simply copied, I am surprised BYD hasn't already done it.

[@johnsullivan8673]

Chinese domestic market MPVs are much more upscale than the buzz. It's a different market. Low end is served by things like Wuling.

[@nickayivor8432]

Brilliant information about the automotive industry 👍 WISE,Sean McElroy Autoline Network Take care,Sir From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 21:31pm Good Evening

[@Derty_the_grower]

Michigan ❤

[@stickynorth]

VW needs to bring its MSRP's down ASAP especially for such a flagship product as the ID Buzz which many thought would be an affordable mass-market minivan. Nope, just rich hippie California BS that alienated most people with a $70K starting point..

[@AndreasPenninger-oc8sw]

This commentary is genuinely funny!!!

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Hydrogen powered transport is a fool's gambit. Tesla's semi truck factory in Nevada should come online next year sometime. They already have it perfected with Pepsi's help and testing. Tesla expects to make over 50,000 semis per year once ramped. That will out produce all diesel truck manufacturers.

[@jermainec2462]

Elon got some good pipe cuz y'all to ride it 😂😂😂... And yes I'm for electric vehicles but everything can't be electric ⚡⚡

[@geraldh.8047]

That new Mercedes is even faster at 0-100kph than a SMART #3 Brabus. By 0.1s. Impressive.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

4680 cells are ok if they can lower the resistance in the anode with more silicon spiking. every format is ideal or not ideal for a certain cooling requirement. and the need for more cooling increases with charging/discharging speed and inner resistance. if tesla can lower the inner resistance, they can increase the charging speed while having the same cooling requirement.

[@mrjim1973]

The consumer outlet said the reliability of Rivian’s SUV and pickup are either below or well below the average of other automakers’ vehicles. The company’s EVs did have some company, though, as Ford’s F-150 Lightning scored similarly poor marks, as did the Cadillac Lyriq and Chevrolet’s Blazer EV, which really stumbled out of the gate.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

they can improve it in the next version. also battery prices will go down in 2025

[@PD55_]

Toyota bz3X priced at $14,000? Still cheap even with 100% tariff!

[@ZweiZwolf]

It'll start at $40k in the US - a LOT more than the Biden 100% tariffs which would still see it under $30k.

[@peteregan3862]

'C' rate is max charge rate (kW/capacity (KWh). Perhaps the Chinese mean an average C rate. Near capacity, the charge rate is very small.

[@Here2Enjoy-b8z]

1:19 probably the pricing

[@lawrencefranck9417]

VW has been saying for two decades the bus is coming.

[@rp9674]

8 decades

[@nightdipper5178]

*Is the Germany's auto industry Government Sponsored like it is in the USA, and was in the Soviet Union, or are they an actual business that need to make money to survive?

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT STOP! ⛔☢

[@michaelmackey754]

@@nightdipper5178 in America all the top auto execs at the big three take all the money with their investors and then cry they’re broke… It’s ridiculous

[@nightdipper5178]

@@michaelmackey754 The execs make bad decisions but they don't set their own compensation, the owners (shareholders) do that through the elected board of directors. This is the case for any publicly traded company. The union should buy the company and pay all workers 500k, instead of making political contributions with the members dues.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

nothing sponsored.

[@ashishpatel350]

labor monopolies should be illegal.

[@aeromtb2468]

go ahead and strike. you wont like bankruptcy

[@stephenkutney9626]

It would help VW if they decided to improve quality.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Same with Ford.

[@stephenkutney9626]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Same with GM

[@TheJ1s]

When it comes to the USPS trucks, I'm hoping here in CA that they can produce better vehicles than those duck looking ones.

[@SteveBueche1027]

What happens if a hydrogen tank gets ruptured in an accident?

[@jermainec2462]

Explodes like the regular ones 😂😂😂😂😂

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

No hydrogen tanks. No problem!❤

[@gelogmarine]

Sounds like affordable evs are on the way after all, thanks to all the OEMs losing $ billions $ 😂😂😂

[@gmv0553]

Penske rents out semi trucks every day! The same reason for troubled diesel semi trucks.

[@Carl_in_AZ]

Eliminating EV rebates will help Tesla's EV sales in the US and BYD's hybrids worldwide. It comes down to engineering economics. That is why Jim Farley is concerned. Ford, GM, and Stellantis's base vehicles use engines. Economies of scale work for Tesla and BYD because they do not make engine-only vehicles. As the world market moves towards EVs and hybrids. The US big three auto manufacturers' manufacturing costs are spread too thin by producing three power trains. Significant cutbacks in their workforce will need to be focused only on engine vehicles. They will be forced to walk away from the battery market or stay in these markets and take significant losses while they migrate away from engine-only vehicles.

[@chrisheath2637]

Those horrendous fines for not reaching ZEV targets are not going away - pay the fines , or buy credits from Tesla etc....Hobson's choice - whether they switch to EVs or not - they face huge costs...

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@chrisheath2637 Easy fix, just build decent EVs, stop paying fines and credits to Tesla, PROFIT. Surprised they haven't thought of this.

[@PhanoftheShow]

ID Buzz is too expensive and lacks features the target market for EV vans wants

[@russh6414]

So are the BYD blade batteries serviceable?

[@rozonoemi9374]

Get rid of all EV subsidies including oil Company subsidies.

[@danielbenner7583]

10:15 “gets you from 0-60 in 3.6s!” So it’s slower than a model 3 performance and costs 3x as much?

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

not sure. tesla is usually cheating by measuring 3-60mph

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Also Goldman Sachs is wrong on battery prices per Kilowatt hr. They must be talking about what the US OEMs pay due to their low intake of batteries. It is already near $80 (Tesla) in the US and in China is quickly approaching $60/KWhr. Once $60/KWhr is reached all EVs will be cheaper than a similarly featured ICE vehicle to make. At that point it's game over.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Trump will make sure it doesn't happen, and his oil buddies will profit.

[@ZweiZwolf]

Chinese EVs are already at price parity with ICE cars, which is laying bare just how much markup is baked into ICE car prices by traditional OEMs.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

@ They are at parity but only because they have their prices to where everyone is losing money on their pure BEVs. BTW this is why BYD started making more PHEVs so they could make a little profit. However once battery prices at the pack level reach $60/KWhr it is estimated that the margins on BEVs will be up to where the manufacturers will make profit at the prices they are charging for ICE cars. At that point if you have high enough BEV volumes you start making profit. This is why the Chinese manufacturers are vying for max marketshare even though they lose more money, for now, the more BEVs they sell.

[@mowensmd]

GS lies to manipulate their trades. But yes, we are at $56. kzbin.info/www/bejne/raPEYY2mrJZ4l6M

[@ZweiZwolf]

@@nickmcconnell1291 China is the largest car market in the world, selling some 80-90% of all plug-in vehicles in the world. Chinese OEMs are claimed to be losing money by Western analysts who don't have access to the internal accounting or cost figures, when we know that Chinese manufacturing is vastly more efficient and lower cost compared to what we see in the West, while Western OEMs are highly financialized at every step to drive high revenue and profit. Without access to internal financials, it's irresponsible to claim they're losing money. This is especially true of market leading BYD who apparently has the revenue to buy and operate a private, dedicated fleet of RO-RO ships.

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

I smell bankruptcy coming for Nikola Motor in year 2025...

[@CasperChicago]

What Mercedes needs is an EV that can compete with Tesla or BYD; the Mercedes-AMG is antiquated before it even gets to the production stage.

[@ZweiZwolf]

In theory, they have that with the EQE / EQS cars and SUVs. In practice, not so much. They're very expensive for what you get compared to a Chinese EV.

[@BradleyEdwardAnderso]

The market should drive the transition to EV or any technology.

[@Mike-Minion]

the chinese just took toyota to the cleaners. this is toyotas lowest point. so sad.

[@petemonster1]

As I understand it's a GAC built vehicle that has a Toyota badge, so it will likely appeal and sell in China at that price. I believe multiple legacy vendors rebadge Chinese built EVs there. I doubt the BZ3X will be a model Toyota sells outside China and almost certainly not at $14k USD

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT STOP! ⛔☢

[@petemonster1]

@@seymorefact4333 I watch mechanics working on the Chrysler 3.6 and have similar thoughts.

[@BradleyEdwardAnderso]

Wow, Intrepid voice over changed. Not as creepy now.

[@PeterCc5u]

Welcome to the 90's

[@josephfolz7332]

What is holding it back is that is electric and way way overpriced?

[@intheshell35ify]

Pay attention. If your ev isn't named tesla you have ZERO chance of getting anything done the next 4 years.

[@danieloool2044]

W Polsce średnia płacą $1300 per month

[@nickmcconnell1291]

LOL.... that "racing" Mercedes won't even outpace a Tesla model 3 performance which is around 2.9 seconds. The Tesla would pass it like it was nailed to the ground. Come on Mercedes time to change to a REAL powertrain.

[@UncleRahn]

They committed suicide when they canned Herbert

[@rozonoemi9374]

Hydrogen will not work for vehicles.

[@scottvickery2057]

Just say "fact" not "factoid"

[@rp9674]

Factozoid

[@cesartrujillo4190]

Oid means similar to but not, right? Humanoid means humanoid. I just learned that suffix. It made me chuckle that you mentioned it.

[@tachdoc]

yes from Germany to nowhere

[@CSHarvey]

BYD batteries - CEO with horse in race talks up his company's solution while making fun of competition. Meanwhile, his product solves for cheap batteries while competition solves for TWh production scaling.

[@rebym]

That was Zeng of CATL, not BYD. Hard to argue with him, he runs the biggest battery company in the world and nobody else is even close, including BYD.

[@mukamuka0]

Tesla 4680 was not aim to be the best battery to beginning with, it's just have to be good enough. The program is created to hedge on battery market, make sure Tesla didn't get the lower end of bargain and that they has something to fall back on if suddenly battery market has a problem be a sanction on Chinese battery or monopoly price control by Chinese battery maker

[@johnsullivan8673]

If you can't differentiate BYD from CATL, why do you think it's a good idea to comment?

[@rebym]

@@johnsullivan8673 To be fair, the logo shown was BYD. He probably didn't realise that Zeng was the CEO of CATL. Most people here aren't from China, they're generally Americans and don't know the country, the companies nor the CEOs.

[@johnsullivan8673]

@ the video explicitly stated “ceo of CATL”.

[@paulmcgraw9284]

Oh wow..Mercedes coming out with another sports car that nobody but Elon Musk or Bill Gates can afford. What a joke!😆😂

[@BrunoHeggli-zp3nl]

Game over for Tesla

[@rozonoemi9374]

Don't bet against Elon. 4680 will prove to be a winner.

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

Toyota is lost. Giving-away bS3X for $13k is a fire sale price and an obvious attempt to craw back market share,

[@toyotaprius79]

Toyota can go LDAR

[@deanmitchell9568]

They might have their own board but my taxes cover their losses every year. We don't have to cancel the contracts we just don't fund them and they wither on the vine.

[@seymorefact4333]

🔴🔴 i would NOT BUY anything from VW. Its crap before...NOW WITH ANGRY workers, YOUR BRAKES might NOT STOP! ⛔☢

[@rozonoemi9374]

Mercedes wasting money again.

[@phillyphil1513]

0:56 - VW ID Buzz with epic retro styling, MSRP $70K - "waah that's too expensive" (fan boy voice). Tesla Cybertruck a now proven rolling deathtrap, MSRP $100K - "yay...!!!" (also the fan boys)

[@paulmcgraw9284]

The ID Buzz..nice looking electric van with a lousy range and a more lousy price. A 2025 ICE Pacifica starts in the low 40s whilst the ID Buzz starts around $60k. Oh and yes, the Chrysler goes well over 300 miles on a tank of gas while the VW van barely goes over 200 miles on a charge. In my humble opinion, I would definitely choose the Chrysler.😊

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Go ahead. Buy a Pacifica. That’s what masochists do!❤

[@ZweiZwolf]

They think nostalgia for the style is worth a 50% markup. It's not. It should be priced like a Toyota Sienna.

[@12345682900]

TO ALL OF YOU WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP: What the **** were you thinking?

[@taniabanes4707]

Thinking about America, which a lot of people should do a bit more… a lot more in fact

[@Optimistprime.]

They weren't.

[@IanReid-e9r]

​@taniabanes4707 😂😂😂 wait for reality to kick in

[@taniabanes4707]

@@IanReid-e9r Kamala that you?

[@12345682900]

@@taniabanes4707 You're joking, right? Do YOU honestly think Trump, who's a 78 yr old known serial liar, draft-dodger, wife-cheating womanizer, racist, criminal fraudster, document stealing, insurrectionist, grifter, rapist, convicted felon, 4-time arrested, twice impeached, hate filled "man" who's been deemed the WORST President in U.S. history.....REALLY gives a damn about America? HE RAN TO STAY OUT OF PRISON! WAKE UP!!!

[@phillyphil1513]

2:28 - "HA HA...!!!" (CATL's Robin Zeng points at Elon and then laughs like Nelson Muntz)

[@Julian-1111]

Who wants to buy the ID Buzz, built by Angry Resentful Spiteful Union workers and dealerships. I’ll go with the Tesla thanks.

[@deanmitchell9568]

I am a blue-collar man working to pay for the rich person's student loans and their EV's. Even with the credit, I can't afford a car. I pay my taxes, and the government pisses it away.

[@swoleavocado]

Are you saying you receive no incentives from the government for your interests-no dependents, homeowner credits, or similar benefits? Wealthier individuals already pay higher taxes, and the government appears to be double-dipping. These high earners likely went to school, took on debt, and now earn more, contributing more in taxes. The government should benefit from its investment in them through these increased taxes, not by imposing both repayment of their debts and higher taxes.

[@LewdCustomer]

This made me cry. Wealth and good sense completely bypassed you. Now it's too late for you, or your kind. Whining works so well for you, it's OK to give up trying. Admit you can't cope.

[@rp9674]

I am paying for the petroleum industry so fair play. The government pisses money away is such a convenient myth. Free passes for corporate and super wealthy is more lost and government inefficiency

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Promoting EVs just might keep the American car industry from drying up and blowing away.

[@jeff-jo6fs]

liberals are too funny

[@Mr.Benson]

Funny ha-ha or funny as in wacky as all heck?

[@alexmckenna1171]

Not as funny as someone in a MAGAt hat.

[@taniabanes4707]

@@alexmckenna1171 And yet we won… cry harder

[@dantesinfernopurgatory7826]

@@alexmckenna1171 The MAGA hats aren't the one's crashing out over the election results.

[@MM-sf3rl]

Oil junkies are not fun at all.

[@markdc1145]

ANYTHING to cancel the Oshkosh mail trucks is a good move! 👏

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Why? So they're ugly. EVs are a no-brainer and will save a lot.

[@MarkMeszarosYNG]

“Owning a Tesla feels like wearing a Maga hat,

[@Shychiprivian]

It's true.

[@Derty_the_grower]

​@ChipWhite-f1cNo.. childish.

[@Derty_the_grower]

😂 you are so much petty

[@Derty_the_grower]

if you think that, move out of the country, also

[@Derty_the_grower]

You really are childish... truly

[@M3jet]

Trump definitely should halt the EV incentives.

[@andyfeimsternfei8408]

And ICE subsidies, too! Just be prepared for $15/gallon gas!

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Let's just stop all high tech investment incentives and go back to being subsistence farmers like the 1700's.

[@andyfeimsternfei8408]

@@jamesvandamme7786 Let's let free markets drive what works.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@andyfeimsternfei8408 EV sales keep increasing although the manufacturers refuse to build the ones we want. And the government won't let the Commie Spy cars in that are far cheaper and better. Only Jim Farley gets to drive one. Yeah, take off the tariffs and we'll see if "Nobody wants one".

[@2cartalkers]

Toyota is going backwards

[@jamesvandamme7786]

I had a car like that once.

[@Derpy1969]

ID Butz

[@RonnieLeeDuck]

Trump tariffs are effectively a subsidy for reshoring. So I don't see why eliminating the EV tax credits slams the door on reshoring. That is if there really is going to be consumer demand for EVs.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Sales continue to rise. The next phase is mainstream adoption. Just need SOMEbody to start making affordable ones!

[@cadude145]

While I'm not a Elon fan boy, I think laughing at him is not the best idea. I will admit, from a pure geometric perspective the cylindrical shaped cells waste space, and therefore limits the battery pack lithium content, this power and range. Also, as I understand it, Tesla does buy some batteries from BYD and or CATL. I'm not sure your description of "C" rating being from or applicable to China is correct, it's used in California and probably other learning institutions working with batteries. Even I have known about it for years. You time on the charging rates was correct, you explanation of the rate was wanting, perhaps some research is in order.

[@iulianiulian2747]

They should make this car to look like a new model 2025 car not like a old stupid car like vw transporter was!

[@buddy1155]

If you don't like the buzz, VW still makes the 2025 T7 transporter/multivan/caravelle/california (not sure if it is sold in the US)

[@rp9674]

Opposites day?

[@TheCarGuru]

​@@buddy1155Not sold in the US.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Tesla (maker of low range, ancient BEVs) News: Shanghai furnace exports down 68% Y/Y! Formerly cancelled Model Q probably named after TSLAQ! Vivek wants to roll back loans to competitors of Circus Monkey!

[@russh6414]

Speaking of Circus Monkeys - Leon...

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@russh6414 I don’t know if you saw that report but Vivek referred to Leon as a Circus Monkey. Our list of names keeps growing and getting better!

[@00cam69]

Should of made it a gas instead of stupid electric