VW Cutting 35,000 Jobs in Germany; Dodge Charger Daytona Going Overseas - Autoline Daily 3961

[@frankcoffey]

We don't need to study EV batteries in the lab anymore. There are millions of EVs worldwide and some are over a decade old. We are not seeing a lot of failures. We need to check batteries from used cars to judge how long they last, that's real world data.

[@Gadfly2025]

If 1 or 2 tiny batteries in a Tesla fail it’s $20+k for new battery pack

[@AllanSustainabilityFan]

@@Gadfly2025 $7k. If there's a failure, extremely rare today, that's usually during warranty period. Considering a battery pack typically lasts over half a million miles, this is much cheaper than an ICE vehicle during that time, if someone chose to keep one that long, especially considering the labor: A pack can be replaced simply with a few screws loosened, while an ICE Power-train is much more complex and time/labor intensive.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

"We" consumers don't need the studies, but it's still important for gaining data for the warranty of new chemistry and cooling designs.

[@frankcoffey]

@@davidmccarthy6061 I look for warranties to get longer as data comes in.

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

@@AllanSustainabilityFan Just a few screws loosened

[@charlesrovira5707]

@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="71">1:11</a> I'm afraid *VW* is _doomed._ They should have listened to *Diess.*

[@12345682900]

I'm not certain they're "doomed," however, more cuts in more regions will be necessary. It's doubtful their market share will ever return to what it once was. Nothing lasts forever, right?

[@YoursNKR]

Diess was on point and was fired for having a foresight.

[@macioluko9484]

Yes. These plant closures are just the beginning. VW’s mounting debt (currently totalling $316 Billion) will force the company to cut back on everything.

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

@@charlesrovira5707 then they have the Software issues to boot.

[@tedg1609]

True. Also true: Diess failed while managing the software division, “Cariad”.

[@Peizxcv]

Sounds like the first 35,000 of 350,000 to be cut. VW have twice the employees as Toyota for some reason

[@markdc1145]

Unlike other automakers, labor unions call the shots at VW. They want maximum employment and profitability is not important.

[@davidbeppler3032]

​@@markdc1145 when VW crashes, the Union will just keep making cars.

[@pauljiltsov9950]

Is that why vw 35k are loosing jobs? Because unions are in charge ?

[@jamesvandamme7786]

@@pauljiltsov9950 USA is next.

[@toyotaprius79]

​@@markdc1145As if there shouldn't be any democracy in the workplace which dominates all of our adult lives?.

[@kylerobinson7572]

If the union really cared about its people, it should have accepted the 10% cut in salaries for everyone and save the 35,000 layoffs!!

[@tedg1609]

The 35,000 would still be fired. And more. VW is headed to the bin:/

[@naga2015kk]

VW executive pay is the threat, not chinese cars.

[@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va]

Nah... Gotta protect the elites salary! They are already struggling!!! 🤣

[@robertlaveyra9940]

Welcome back and Happy new Year! Another great show.

[@stix2you]

So the data shows that if you treat your expensive batteries well, they last longer. Much like when you treat your expensive internal combustion engine well, it lasts longer. Treat your batteries like you would treat your engine.

[@MrPetupetu]

Correct and don't listen to the FUD.

[@SMJ-l6r]

How do you treat a battery well? Feels like you don't really interact with it aside from charging.

[@wakeup2024-h9w]

Happy new year...!

[@MrChevybaja]

My 2013 Volt battery has had zero degridation. Original owner.

[@bmk789]

Bullshit it hasn't. It just has no degradation visible to you because they lock away so much capacity with software. All batteries degrade.

[@nickayivor8432]

Happy New Year,Sean McElroy Autoline Network 👍

[@TerjeL]

I thought it was Jinjang Group that does the construction work for BYD that was in trouble in Brazil.

[@3184Patrick]

it is. some people don't seem to know how construction contracts work. BYD did not have slaves.

[@kamsunleong6648]

Brazilians don't understand that many Chinese don't sleep on mattresses. Especially those from the subtropical southern part of the country where the climate is humid and warm. They thought the workers were subjected to inhuman living conditions. I do not sleep on one either. Coming from the Asean region, it's uncomfortable to do so.

[@Carguytct]

I wish people would stop compariing BYD to Tesla. In china, BYD starts at 10k while Tesla starts at 30k. Has anyone every compare Toyota sales numbers to Mercedes, or BMW or Audi, just STOP.

[@RobertOlds.630]

Can we normalize BYD sales price using non-slavery unionized labor costs.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

And non-union. Although it's just trivia data since the average consumer cares not about that, and only what the vehicle price is for them.

[@YSKWatch]

you should add: less automation.

[@cosmoray9750]

You judge. " workers at China's BYD site in Brazil say about 'slavery-like' working conditions " kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ_Qm5V8gLd7bsk

[@RobertOlds.630]

@YSKWatch Good point. After retirement from working 40+ years in the IT field building financial models, I think everyone wants automatio . Boy, was I wrong

[@deragoth4250]

@@cosmoray9750that KZbin channel is unlikely to be objective in this matter. Let wait for Brazilian authorities findings in this matter

[@markgarnett3521]

Autolines strap line might be about the global auto industry but they continue to view the automotive world through Detroit specs. China doesn’t have excess capacity; not in EVs anyway, while USA and EU/UK drag their feet in EV, China will happily provide well made good value EVs. It’s Germany (for now) that have excess capacity - in ICE making (who wants another ICe when you could have an EV), Detroit making a big detour into hybrids but that’s not going to save them, EVs are so much better it’s inevitable they will be adopted by all in due course.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

Meanwhile we can have huge tariffs to protect our dinosaurs.

[@MrPetupetu]

Correct. Autoline doesn't get it. Why do we watch these guys? Black comedy.

[@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va]

ICE cars are superior when traveling long distances... Like we have in the USA! Battery cars are only good for short distances! Once you have to stop somewhere to recharge... You've lost to an iCE car!

[@MrPetupetu]

Strange spin boys. Why not mention how US car makers are not even close to anybody.

[@hartoz]

BYD are not a construction company, they do not build factories. They use 3rd party contractors to build factories, just like EVERY other manufacturer. The slavery issue3 relates to the building contractor. Why BYD is not using local contractors is probably more of the issue than anything else. The Brazilian government is probably running a smear campaign as it expected local jobs to have been created for the construction of the plant. Instead BYD used a favoured Chinese contractor and Chinese employees who work for less than their Brazilian counterparts. If the labourers get paid less than Brazilian counterparts, they "must be slaves" in the argument being used because construction workers in China get paid less.

[@MrPetupetu]

You got it. But Autoline prefers the negative spin.

[@markdc1145]

35,000 fewer workers won't save VW. They need something like 10 times that figure and even then it might not work.

[@tedg1609]

$200bn VW debt = death spiral when shrinking.

[@DenizUral-x4e]

What makes you think there is no way? Do you know about Web3 Infinity? The price of this will soar to skyrocket

[@JeneMora-b5f]

Why are you convinced that it is impossible? Are you familiar with the Web3 Infinity? The cost of this will increase dramatically.

[@johnandersonjjr]

Jeez I guess battery cars are just about perfect.90percent of at buyers must be crazy for not wanting them

[@dzcav3]

CORRECTION: Renewables provided all the electricity needed in California DURING THE DAYLIGHT HOURS ONLY from late winter until early summer. As noted, batteries supplied UP TO 12% OF NIGHT TIME DEMAND. Much of night time demand is IMPORTED FROM FOSSIL FUEL PLANTS in neighboring states. Deceptive stories like this mislead people into thinking renewables are much more viable for grid use than they really are. Also, look at electricity rates in California vs. neighboring states. MUCH HIGHER due to renewables.

[@12345682900]

There's simply no question BYD will eventually surpass Tesla.

[@3184Patrick]

and Toyota

[@12345682900]

@@3184Patrick Yes, that's a real possibility also. Stay tuned, right?

[@AuralioCabal-nl8gi]

Japanese are Software challenged ,& 2030 is less than 5 years away, that is the year Chinese BEV like BYD will dominate Toyota.or maybe before then.

[@MrPetupetu]

And? What if? Has Tesla ever stated that they must sell the most cars. You'll have to inform them of your personal expectations of them. Then they'll get at it. Only then.

[@12345682900]

@@MrPetupetu Relax, it's not a note of criticism but rather a point of fact.

[@edwarddejong8025]

When Brasil is charging you with abuse crimes, you know you are way out of line.

[@richardkeller4892]

VW should not have backed out of BYD deal

[@vdice2]

Change the name of this channel to Chinaline Network

[@HonestJohn-y3k]

Oh No!!! The auto market in China is twice as big as in the US!! What's more, they are currently, gradually taking the entire global market outside the US and Canada away from the US, Japanese, Korean and European automakers! And, and, and I just can't stand to hear any more about it!! Whaaaaaaaa!!!! How dare you report on the companies that are going to be in the global top ten next year! I want to hear about last year's global top ten. Again and again and again.

[@tedg1609]

@@HonestJohn-y3klol. Truth hurts !

[@jeffcohen9246]

I worked on cars all my life. See the assembly line how they just snap the plastic panels on? Well cars are just like the old toy cars we use to assemble with glue. Any car should be cheaper because there's no parts to them anymore.

[@protagonist9716]

There is no "day of reckoning" in the Chinese auto market. How incredibly stupid. Yes many bankruptcies but those that will survive will be Chinese and will consolidate their positions.

[@justifiedmasagony3635]

chinese cars are the future. I believe for the better.

[@thabzmad7265]

This EV study needs to be updated every year as the speed of progress in deployment of new chemistry is very high. It (the study) risks being antiquated and whatever influence it has, becoming misleading for new vehicles in the same manner as for example, recommending a Samsung galaxy S23 phone as a flagship in 2025!!!

[@Gadfly2025]

GEELY CLOSED UP 😳 what’s with that ?

[@geraldh.8047]

Hu?

[@bardz0sz]

They got the highest tariff from the EU

[@geraldh.8047]

@@bardz0sz BS! „BYD and Geely Auto face tariffs of 17% and 18.8%, respectively, while SAIC encounters a steeper 35.3% rate“

[@ulwur]

It was a joint venture brand you never heard of with another Chinese company, cant remember who, who only made/sold a few thousand cars before bookkeeping irregularities were found and the CEO ran away with what money was left.

[@Gadfly2025]

@@ulwur they made Volvo , Polestar and few other

[@WattsToFreedom]

Guys. Guys. That loud ass rock and roll, seemingly out of nowhere, NEEDS TO STOP. thanks.

[@MurseTech64]

They should have released the Dodge Charger Daytona Banshee (top end version) first AT THE PRICE of the scat pack that's currently offered. Scat pack should have came in well under the Banshee's price.

[@rp9674]

Scat

[@peteregan3862]

The Chinese way is to have key workers from out of town live on site. Especially in another country as they likely dont speak Portuguese or English. 161 workers sounds like high paid skilled technicians like the flying squad Elon sent from Shanghai to get Austin up and running faster. Likely, Elon has another squad mobilised for Juniper troubleshooting at the four factories.

[@johnasbury4997]

How can BYD be so stupid....they were so on a roll while legacy automakers stumble and die, Jaguar, yes it's dead .

[@henrymiecz8566]

I laugh at the engineers testing battery life and liken them to the engineers that say their engines will last 300000 miles because we ran them continuously for 300000 miles. Ridiculous tests that prove nothing because these aren't REAL WORD CONDITIONS. Did you do the battery cycling at 50 degrees C then cycle them at minus 20 degrees C because that is REAL WORLD CONDITIONS. Did you periodically douse them with salt water and dirt and oil because those are REAL WORLD CONDITIONS! If the engineers are paid by the EV manufacturers or battery manufacturers then you can just ignore those results because they are worthless.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Add in vibration and full submersion to test the battery structure plus electrical connectors for fresh and salt water applications.

[@joebachmeier6747]

Pretty sure there's a chart of current battery degradations of thousands of Teslas that's updated regularly. It doesn't look good for the limp dick haters that just wish it would fail. They last. Probably not what you want to here. Vroom vroom... feel better?

[@marianoherrera6038]

They are just pandering to sell subpar products that have no repairability. They are not even ecological. One of the biggest hoaxes to ever exist

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Oh and of course they need more funding to be sure sure

[@pumpthewater419]

Toyota has tested car batteries going on 30+ years with the hybrid systems that uses the same battery as electric cars. They last a fairly long time, especially compared to a modern engine transmission, drive train, and other systems. I own a plug-in hybrid BMW and it goes and goes and goes without too many issues because I mostly use the battery and the motors.

[@TerryHickey-xt4mf]

VW take 4 times longer to make vehicles compared to say ( Tesla) and the Chinese. Why? because they have large wage and retirement costs, but most of all, outdated manufacturing technics, and in the 21st century this is simply unsustainable, just have a deep look at what has happened in China in the last few years, very scary stuff for some, in fact, most traditional car manufacturing companies. My prediction is that the automotive industry will be unrecognizable in 10 years time for sure.

[@dclpgh]

RIP "Ford Built Tough"

[@bobbbobb4663]

And yet, the CyberBust is the one that caught fire.

[@dclpgh]

@@bobbbobb4663 Well yeah.... Someone just blew it up! They would have been sweeping up any other make with a dustpan. The POLICE said the truck contained the explosion. Instead of outward, it went upward.The tires still had air! and the battery was fine.

[@dclpgh]

@@bobbbobb4663 Well yeah.... Someone just blew it up! They would have been sweeping up any other make with a dustpan. The POLICE said the truck contained the explosion. Instead of outward, it went upward.The tires still had air! and the battery was fine.

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@dclpghCongrats for containing a bed full of fireworks. Stat check: Tesla 232. Ford Pinto: 27.

[@dclpgh]

@@bobbbobb4663 Well yeah.... Someone just blew it up! They would have been sweeping up any other make with a dustpan. The POLICE said the truck contained the explosion. Instead of outward, it went upward.The tires still had air! and the battery was fine.

[@grahamcastle8189]

Interesting chat with Tesla owners at a Tesla public charger in Perth Scotland. Many were company lease cars and the talk was all about dumping Tesla in favour of other brands especially Polestar. Why, because of Elon's extreme right wing views plus many Tesla charging stations in UK are now open to the public. Expect Tesla sales in UK to reduce new t year.

[@timr3305]

So they'll dump their Tesla to buy their power from Tesla. Sounds right.

[@nguyep4]

When companies are driven by emotional people yet calling Elon names. Go figure. Elon upholding the constitution and allowing freedom of speech by not being allowed to be harassed or pressured by the government is "Extreme Right"? His companies are about sustainability and energy abundance. They hate him because he can't be control and be bought.

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

Do they use them to get to the local mosque?

[@bobbbobb4663]

@@nguyep4Lol…go look at the ppl President Elect K just banned from his platform and then tell me he is a “free speech absolutist”.

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "talk was all about dumping Tesla in favour of other brands especially Polestar..." "GFY-ITF ELON...!!!" (best Sean Connery accent). re: "many Tesla charging stations in UK are now open to the public." sucks to be Elon (since War always seems to end up being physically fought ON TOP OF THEIR HEADS) the Euros quite naturally have much better memory for the problems created by Fascism and Dictators than what "a-historical 'Muricans" have, well at least until New Years Day Cybertruck in Vegas.

[@2012bigPerm]

I wonder if the researchers testing battery longevity have any incentives to lie or skew data to a favorable outcome...Like most bogus research, it's the only question that needs asked

[@HonestJohn-y3k]

Do you know who pioneered the use of industry funded "research" to promote bogus claims? That's right! Several well researched books by reputable authors have chronicled the flow of money from Big Oil into academic institutions across the country, and of course into all the major media conglomerates. As a matter of fact, Chevron has maintained a close relationship with Stanford for quite a long time, especially with former Stanford Provost and current director of the Hoover Institution Condoleeza Rice, who also took a seat on the board of Chevron and if that's not enough, had an oil tanker named after her as thanks for all of her favors to Chevron. But it goes back farther. George Shultz also was a fellow of Stanford's Hoover Institution and also was on the board of Chevron. How this might or might not affect the work at SLAC, I could not say.

[@DavidC-pg6ni]

Yeah, Like DieselGate was a buncha “honest”Companies that just completely lied about Diesel Engines and emissions.

[@2012bigPerm]

@@DavidC-pg6ni The old two wrongs make a right argument, huh? Good one. Not to mention I thought diesel gate was just VW and yet you say a 'buncha' companies...l guess you got me there...

[@ameining5333]

Welcome back. FYI, 5 of your 9 segments in this video are about China if you include the BYD Brazil story. Enough already. We get it. Don't need it jammed down our throats all the time. Love your show, but the China focus is a bit much. More North America please.

[@DavidC-pg6ni]

China makes and or sells or buys about one third of ALL vehicles on the planet. The US market will shrink as Legacy automakers continue to fail to adapt.

[@Mr.Carter777]

VW is done

[@2cartalkers]

Thank goodness the holidays are over, just a bunch of repetitive folderol.

[@davidfrankel9267]

The charger EV is a POS. Outofspec could not say one good thing about it.

[@RR_reunificationRights]

byd's civil contractors, not byd, can the west media have the professional knowledge. probably local subcontractors to provide man power.

[@MeltemGulen-u4m]

The ecology of Web3 Infinity is expanding. The neighborhood is active and enthusiastic.

[@zzzingrol]

35k employees at VW is only 5% of the work force. These people will be replaced systematically with people from "Best Cost Countries" or replaced by contractors at parter suppliers for more profit for the executives.

[@DavidC-pg6ni]

Nah, VW is losing its entire Chinese ICE manufacturing business in the next few years. They will be losing a LOT more employees very quickly in the next couple of years.

[@zzzingrol]

@DavidC-pg6ni I agree, they are not done yet.

[@grantboucher9342]

yah my 2021 tesla 3 with only 45k miles died . Under warranty replaced with refurbished battery with much less range making the car useless for my commute. I was careful with the battery home charging to 80 percent down to 30 percent . Now my car value depreciated greatly. I feel ripped off. DONT BUY ELECTRIC . ICE BETTER BY FAR> TESLA RIP OFF

[@MrPetupetu]

Still this happens far less often as compared to the percentage of ICE lemons other people ended up with. Looking for perfection? Stop buying any type of car.

[@tedg1609]

I call BS. You never owned a Tesla. Go back to your gas station and fill a fossil car.

[@stargazer3828]

A lot of people are underestimating just how bad the Chinese economy is! China has fallen far short of its nominal GDP growth target in the past two years (4.6% versus a 6.9% target in 2023, 4.1% vs. a 7.4% target so far in 2024). On the last trading day in 2024, the yuan touched $7.3698 per US dollar and reached its weakest level since October 2022. Because most Chinese have their wealth in real estate many lost their life savings with the crash of Evergrande Group. Their economy relies on exports to other countries and now that many countries are placing tariffs on them and our next administration is threatening to place tariffs on any country doing business with China it is going to be a challenge for them and their automobile industry.

[@protagonist9716]

It's still flourishing and not collapsed like Europe. It's also growing faster than USA

[@FreedomToRobandLoot]

Yes, they have been collapsing for nearly 30 years. 😂

[@aps125]

@@FreedomToRobandLootI guess he is another Gordon Chang wannabe

[@DavidC-pg6ni]

You DO understand that those growth rates are still VERY high compared to most of the rest of the world…RIGHT?? China is bringing its OWN people into the modern middle class for them. They still have massive amounts of untapped demand internally in China.

[@FreedomToRobandLoot]

@@aps125 gorden Chang or peter zeihan or the BBC or CNN. One of them.

[@charlesrovira5707]

@<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="294">4:54</a> Once *Unsupervised FSD* comes to market later this year, it's all over for ICE and EV OEMs. The *_Insurance_** cabal* may *_charge ridiculous prices_* for driving without it since, except for emergency and military vehicles, there's no _need_ for a steering wheel or pedals.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Laughable given the known, documented flaws inherent to FSD. No insurance company will ever assume liability for a known, documented risk and Tesla will go broke if they try to assume it alone. Oh yeah, permits….

[@vidznstuff1]

Charger Daytona cop cars...

[@buckledgem49775]

I’ve been a loyal follower to the channel due to its objective market news. The style seemingly changed today to include additional opinions. Sorry, I’ll choose to unsubscribe as there are better sources for such opinions. Good luck.

[@anthonyxuereb792]

Got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

[@kschleic9053]

Example? It sounded pretty level and objective to me.

[@DavidC-pg6ni]

This has always been a heavy Detroit and Legacy Auto skewed program, especially for ICE Vehicles.

[@rickhammond2473]

VW is finished so is Porsche and most of the legacy auto makers.

[@rogerrussell9544]

Thanks to EU and other government EV mandates that didn't reflect consumer tolerances.

[@YSKWatch]

their sales in china tanked because of local competition. money from china decreased, that's why they have to reduce their operation in Europe. chinese cars not even flood their market.

[@marianoherrera6038]

Thank you European hubris. You never fail to disappoint 😂

[@LorentJalabert]

@@rogerrussell9544 thanks to US blowing up Norstream pipeline

[@DavidC-pg6ni]

⁠They’re getting their arses kicked in the LARGEST auto market on the planet. They are being surpassed by new manufacturers, who can use more automation and improve their vehicles on a faster development cycle.@@rogerrussell9544Nonsense.

[@Roddy451]

Algorithm

[@2cartalkers]

I won’t work without proper protective equipment.

[@Roddy451]

@@2cartalkers I did not know that you have to use PPE because of the Algorithm. I am sure it is harmless.

[@chrisg8995]

Uhh, are you really not going to mention the biggest car start of the decade??? A Cybertruck absorbed a dynamite and firework mortar explosion in the bed and not only likely saved many lives, but the windows of the hotel next to the truck weren’t even blown out… and the car was still intact and likely drivable!!! What the hell Autoline?!?!?

[@bardz0sz]

That’s hardly automotive news

[@bobbbobb4663]

And yet the aluminum frame fractures like an old man with osteoporosis. Great job suppressing those bottle rockets

[@Whateva67]

Well ya better run out and buy one of those ugly things.

[@bobbbobb4663]

@ The CyberBust is ready for July 4 when a neighbors rogue bottle rocket hits the car.

[@cheapme1850]

I know you’re being sarcastic but it’s sad Elon decided to push the incident as a selling point. Yup - next vehicle I buy, blast proof is at the top of my list! Smh.

[@MehmetOzlem-e7l]

Web3 Infinity is gonna pop anytime soon

[@HedyJaquez]

There are much better and safer alternative currencies, including Web3 Infinity, thus I'm no longer interested in those ones.

[@PaigeLy-t6f]

Web3 Infinity has quickly become one of my top investment choices. Its disruptive technology and clear roadmap make it a project I'm genuinely excited about.

[@markk3453]

happy new year !

[@CALVINShell-k5j]

Why are you convinced that it is impossible? Are you familiar with the Web3 Infinity? The cost of this will increase dramatically.