VW Mk8 GTI Review - Refined?... Or Ruined? - Test Drive | Everyday Driver

[@GLI_1701]

I own a 2023 GTI 40th anniversary edition. The interface is really not an issue after about two or three days I got used to wear everything was at and now I do it second nature.

[@stevemartegani]

Having had a MK7 with such a perfect interior layout, the MK8 just makes me sad... I cant believe that system got off the drawing board

[@sporopeza]

I'm with you 100%

[@Nikolodzi]

Wonder who were in their test groups that responded well to these design ideas. As much as I like high tech stuff, this seems a little iffy.

[@Tigerex966]

@@Nikolodzi yes men that could lose they job if they disagree just like with vaccine vaccine id testing and other covid restrictions, if you are bold enough to say that's wrong it disagree you are fired so they let the lies go on.

[@Nikolodzi]

@@Tigerex966 Not to be an ass, but that's a dumb statement. Test groups are never company employees, they're random people selected as volunteers who agree to test the product and provide feedback to the manufacturer.

[@pieorion883]

The Mk 7 might very well go down as the pinnacle of GTIs Edit: although I will admit that the Mk 6 has had the best steering wheel

[@tkusterb]

Well, in its defense a bit... the base "S" GTI that I test drove had a traditional volume knob...not the finger slider thing. It's sticker was 32K, not 40. And at that price it had the DSG. And I loved it! I'm sure I can get used to finding and using those menus I need, setting most of them once and forgetting them.

[@adamchristian7296]

that's what I've been seeing, the base trim might be the way to go. the base has two traditional knobs on each side.

[@rizwanrahmani5430]

Ever notice how these guys are always nitpicking every little thing on VW cars ad nauseum: they don't' do that with equivalent Japanese cars? They keep bringing the price issue over and over again, even though the base trim, like you said, is a more comparable model and doesn't give up much on the performance! Also it has some knobs, but they will find one thing on a Japanese car that they like and make decision on that alone. I love this car but....., its a great car but.....??

[@vr6gls]

@@rizwanrahmani5430 completely agree with you. They seem to unfairly criticize VW’s for not being “hardcore”. A hot hatch is supposed to be an all-rounder. Not a track car. I didn’t buy my Golf GTI because it was hardcore. I bought it because it was a sporty, comfortable and practical daily driver with an upscale interior.

[@rizwanrahmani5430]

@@vr6glsIts not a one trick pony: like some reviewer said aptly, its the Swiss army knife of hot hatches.

[@numberonebacon]

That interface is really something… different. It’s obvious there’s a problem when the C&D Lightning Lap had to be redone because the drive accidentally changed his drive mode and turned on the heated wheel mid lap.

[@vroomgc]

That was in the Golf R and hitting the steering wheel control somehow at very high winding track speeds in a car that he hadn't driven before. Is that ok, nope, but I'm guessing as an owner of one and also daily driving it, it would be rare

[@doloresberry3144]

they changed it. it clicks now.

[@TraceyAllen]

Idk why everyone hates this interface? Reviewers don’t give it enough time. It is different, but so was the 1st 3 iPhones during blackberry years. But look at the phone in your pocket. I’ve jus got my 23 gti and it’s fucking brilliant. The last car I’ve had were driving it made me giggle was my 91 gallant vr4. I’m 47, and have been driving legally for 33 years, I grew up in South Dakota got my license at 14. I live in Minnesota so having max defrost button is perfect for 9 months of the year. It does take some time to learn and build muscle memory though. And remember it can be updated regularly. It will get better.

[@brianfloster2609]

Yeah I think I'll be holding onto my MK7.5 for a good long while. The pricing of the new Autobahn is ridiculous at $40k... Just get an S manual for around $30k and have everything you need - and nothing that you don't.

[@bigdud88]

The 2021 mk7.5 Autobahn was at $38k, $39k so the $40k '22 mk8 price is not too crazy. Every car that offers multiple trims, the highest trim isn't the volume selling model or has the most value. Most people will end up with the S or SE but for the few who want all the bells and whistles and wants a GTI, the Autobahn is available.

[@eppyz]

@@bigdud88 i see your point but at that price point most will get an R instead. Autobahn models usually sit on the lott a LONG time. I paid $26k for my 7.5 S with DSG new. I don't see $14k worth of add ons here. Plus a GTI isn't a GTI without the plaid😎 To each their own👍

[@itspabbs]

I picked up a 2017 S with a 6 speed last year for $13k. It had 58,000 miles and is in REALLY good shape. $40k is insanity...

[@eppyz]

@@itspabbs wow you scored👍 Congrats on your very smart purchase👍😎

[@itspabbs]

@@eppyz Thanks! I only ever buy a car unless I'm getting it for under trade-in value.

[@jpsulisz]

Test drove the GTI here in Minnesota in single-digit climate, took about a minute before I could get the radio steering wheel controls to register I was sliding for volume up and didn't work with my gloves - not an issue with my Focus I don't mind buttonless interfaces, I mind them when they're in an environment where it's tough for them to act reliably. Really hope VW gets like Honda and releases an Mk8.5 with better infotainment (ie a knob and buttons)

[@hellodlo]

I had a '19 gti autobahn, was waiting for the new R, got turned off by the interface and went and bought a bmw. I cannot deal with that interface. was really disappointed as I really wanted an R, but usually vw's refreshes are good, hopefully they'll correct this.

[@PapiAndrey]

I drove an M340i and G20 330i before I test drove the Mk8 Gti, I enjoyed the Gti driving experience more and it actually communicated with me. That said, iDrive is by far the best and while I didn’t think the VW infotainment was bad, it just doesn’t compare to the Bmw. Plus, as good as the Gti is for a fwd car, i always prefer rwd or rwd based, or at least the R’s Awd system and it’s ability to oversteer and rotate nicely.

[@Tigerex966]

I have not seen one base model review of the usa gti yet? great review guys.

[@mbgrocott7115]

My wife and I rented a vehicle to drive down to San Diego from the Bay Area. Started out in a Honda SUV and because it had front brake issues, we switched to a Ford SUV in Monterey. Both vehicles depended on ‘screen time’ to do most anything and on the the steering wheel, there were half a dozen buttons on each side of the hub. To one who drives either a 02 Tacoma or an 09 Mini, way too many distractions and way too difficult to deal with cabin temp or anything else. My biggest problem was screwing up the Map app while trying to use the screen for another task. And then, we had to pull over to fix it because the feature doesn’t work while the vehicle is in motion. We switched to using my wife’s iPhone and it’s map app. That’s what I see with this VW you reviewed. I’ll die before buying a new vehicle...seriously. I’m done.

[@RickStarzz]

Great job guys!! How the heck do you only have 16.4k subscribers???? You should have close to 1 mill for real

[@TestDriveVideos]

Thank you very much. Keep in mind that this is our second channel and only started a year ago. But we’re excited to see it grow. Glad to have you with us and liking what we do!!

[@joshuarobinson7522]

Todd and Paul Thank-you for doing this great review! As a 7.5 gti owner I really enjoyed hearing both of your takes on this car, its driving dynamics and the new (but maybe not so good) interface. I totally agree GTI is a fun, does everything well hatch back. As others have pointed out the C&D lightning Lap at VIR race track was quite a step up for the MK8. There have been several improvements to the suspension including several parts from the mk7.5 Clubsport from Europe. My personal feelings are while the interface sucks big time, at least the car, engine and suspension are looking pretty solid. The interface and buttons may hopefully improve on the next model year or a refresh as its making such big news in the auto world. I love my MK7.5 and the way it drives, I doubt I would switch it for a Mk8 but maybe when the 8.5 comes out I might...if VW fixed the mess with the interface....btw I had a 10 gen 18 civic SI and that's exactly why I got rid of it.....a bad user interface and no knobs. lol Cheers! Big fan here, keep the awesome content coming!

[@TheNationsStudios]

According to VW's configurator, the base GTI with destination is an MSRP of $30,500. I'm not saying they're actually available in that spec, or that dealers won't mark them up but it seems like they'll be available for under the $40,000 price mentioned in the test drive.

[@johnstone7697]

The $40,000 number is for an Autobahn. The Mk 7 Autobahn had a sticker of nearly $36000. If history is any indicator, these cars will be discounted. I got my '16 Autobahn for a little over $30,000. Nice car, no issues at all.

[@garymedeiros4807]

@@johnstone7697 Yeah Similar deal with my 19 GTI SE DSG with LSD and DCC. Sticker was 34.5K and got it for 28K. My friend got a 18 GTI autobaun. Sticker was 39K paid around 33.5K

[@Dalamain]

The stupid interface and lack of tactile buttons kills the Mk8 for me no matter how good the drivetrain is - I'll stick with the mk7.

[@poetryonplastic]

Going back and forth between this and a Mazda 3 Turbo. I really want to want this car, but the reliability and superior interior of the mazda is making a lot of sense.

[@TestDriveVideos]

Between the two… we would go Mazda.

[@vroomgc]

@@TestDriveVideos For interior I would agree for everything else I would disagree

[@dubber4life]

I’ve been driving GTIs since the Mk5 including a CC thrown in. Was super excited to get the MK8 golf r but with the markups and horrible interior I passed. Biermann and Hyundai are doing great things so I ordered a 22 Elantra N arriving in march, and I got it for MSRP.

[@ocieboyd2249]

I like that Kona N it makes for an interesting argument against the GTi and I think its a little faster in the 1/4.

[@timothycoyne5874]

I think you really have to want a nice hot hatch with manual option to buy a GTI or Golf R now. For the price of the top trim models, you’re in A3 and A4 territory, and also the 3-Series as the guys mentioned. The saving grace for the new GTI is its looks. At least VW nailed that.

[@vroomgc]

But both those cars (bmw and audi) are not hatches and that is exactly why people buy these cars. I have a Golf R and have a hard time considering a sedan as a possible replacement

[@vr6gls]

I would rather have a top-trim Golf GTI/ Golf R over a base model Audi or BMW. A base model “luxury” car is nothing to brag about.

[@martinowings3597]

That’s why you buy the base one which actually looks like a good deal. Hoping to see more tests of the base model on the KZbin’s. And it has a volume knob😀

[@ryanconway5647]

Yet another review that doesn’t mention the fact that shortcuts can be set up to make the interface easier to deal with. Yeah I think it sucks too there are no buttons, but reviews like this may be selling the car short.

[@vroomgc]

Agreed, these guys hop in the car and have it for 2 hours and make their comments. Obviously the interface is not great but give yourself a couple of weeks and I bet it starts to become easy.

[@scoobers90]

I love the interior of my MK6. This...boy is this just a bad idea. Thank goodness for CarPlay I guess.

[@johnclaytor9365]

I have an MK5 and really love the MK6 as well. Fun cars to own for sure.

[@captainamericamarvel8199]

Its a joke right? MK8 use all digital men? U dont love technology?

[@ervinosmic6370]

@@captainamericamarvel8199 I have a mk8 best golf ever, everyone complaining has no idea what they’re talking about.

[@jayczyzyk9707]

Nice review I hope they imprived front suspension parts rigidity

[@swanblake]

Ruined the GTI with the Mk8. Definitely think the Mk7.5 demand will go up as its a Mich nicer car than this new one. VW cut corners everywhere while raising the price on the Mk8. Just no. Not to mention the Mk7.5 is much more attractive to look at

[@PapiAndrey]

Depends how you look at it, I had 2 Mk6 Gti’s and a Mk7 Gti, I just test drove the Mk8 Gti 2 days ago. Even though the infotainment isn’t perfect and I could see a few corners cut, the car was improved in other areas. The car definitely drove better than the Mk7, I even drove it back to back with a new Elantra N and I preferred the Gti. I prefer the new infotainment with the new technology and it was better in so many ways to the previous Gti’s. Reviews are nice to have, but I always go out and see for myself and compare with the competition and other cars I’m interested in before making up my mind. The Mk8 Gti is an awesome car imo, and I’ve driven thousands of good cars, but that’s my opinion

[@vroomgc]

@@PapiAndrey Exactly..way too many guys basing their opinions on reviewers who sit in the car for the first time and then give a review on the infotainment system. I'm not saying its great, because yes they didnt do it justice but I'm sure after spending a week with it you get use to being able to change things quickly

[@vroomgc]

I politely disagree , I think this is a better car overall aside from not having buttons

[@vroomgc]

@@PapiAndrey What did you think of the Elantra? I'm considering it...

[@PapiAndrey]

@@vroomgc honestly, I have no bias towards any cars. I prefer German cars if I had to choose, but they all have their positives and negatives and that will depend from person to person. Now that I got that out of the way, I think the new Elantra N is an awesome car! It doesn’t really compete with the Gti/Gli in the same respect, but we don’t get the Gti Club Sport (which isn’t as hardcore as it was for the mk7) and we don’t have anything higher than a Gli. The car is definitely cheaper feeling and the quality is noticeably lower in more than just the materials and build quality, but it’s still a good place to spend time. It’s a hoot to drive and while the steering isn’t as good as the Gti’s, the rest of the car was a little more harsh, but I like that. The design of the interior is nice and they have made HUGE strides from previous Hyundais/Kia’s and it’s definitely a better car than the Veloster N imo. Go test drive one and see if it checks your boxes, they have a good warranty and it’s a great car for any stock car. For some, it might be the better option and for others it might be worse. But it’s a nice, fun car that will put a smile on your face just like the Gti did for me

[@williamtaylor5193]

The shifter is no longer a golf ball, it's a headcover.

[@vroomgc]

A "driver" head cover :)

[@letsgobrandon416]

I love my Mk7 GTI - there's not way on God's green earth I want to deal with the horror show that is that all digital interior. VW, you gained me as a buyer with the MK7 and lost me with the MK8.

[@Te1ecastermaster]

here here . I 100% am with you. Love my 7.5, despise what they did here. I guess they had to pay for their massive mistake on the ID.4 and forced the rest of the company to cover the cost of their eff-up by shoehorning the interface in the rest of the lineup.

[@colindakers113]

So many reviewers complaining about a lack of physical buttons, yet then rave about Tesla. Go figure…..

[@TestDriveVideos]

We have complained about no buttons in every Tesla we drive. At least the Tesla system works well, but touch screens are terrible for driver focus.

[@qwertyman9560]

This should be a classic business case study on how to not to fix something that aint broken. Why the f&*^ would VW do something hideous like removing all the physical knobs?!! As a Mk 6 owner, I was so looking forward to upgrade to the Mk 8 ... but hell between this, and the price I will be looking elsewhere

[@dawolfsburg]

I've owned a GTI for the last 12 years and really want another one, but the lack of physical controls in the MK8 makes me look elsewhere. :-(

[@jeanfortin1250]

your lost...

[@mindspinn311]

Can be had now for $32-33k or around $35k for the 40th Anniversary Edition which is the best value I think. The Autobahn trim is almost pointless. That’s Golf R money.

[@natemoothart6967]

I would love to see a review of the 2022 Kia Forte GT (not GT-Line) from you guys! On the spec sheet it's aimed straight at the Civic Si but can be had with more features. Despite that and the fact that Kia is clearly serious about performance these days (Stinger!) almost no one seems to be reviewing it.

[@mikeLOL45424]

I think the Elantra N is a great comparison to the Si: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJ-VXmqggtCGfdU

[@vroomgc]

The issue with the GT is not having a LSD...

[@JagoTFC]

Removing the handbrake is the worst thing they ever did to the Golf. Why would I drive a manual when I don't have a handbrake. My GTI mk5 has DSG but at least I can pull the handbrake on tight turns when it rains, and I'm on winter tires. And when I remove driving aids they don't reactivate automatically.

[@TheAutoRanch]

Nice review, gentlemen. I know you have driven both of these recently and they are slightly different cars for sure, but what is your pick between the 2022 GTI and 2022 GR86 Premium for daily use?

[@doloresberry3144]

GTI for a daily driver, GR86 for fun.. IMO atleast.

[@gs98999]

I believe the all digital interface is there because it's actually cheaper than having proper buttons.

[@vroomgc]

You would be wrong.. its a direction they feel the industry is going in. Ever been in a Tesla ?

[@jasonettorre7114]

I agree, it's definitely cheaper to make a screen and program it than to have unique buttons with unique assemblies and wiring. It's also what mobile phones did a long time ago.

[@gs98999]

@@vroomgc nah it’s cheaper to use screens. Doug demuro did a review on it recently and said the same thing. VW has been putting cheaper interiors in since dieselgate . And yea Tesla does the one giant screen because it’a cheap, much like how rest of their cars are put together.

[@vroomgc]

@@jasonettorre7114 You are trying to tell me that it would have been more expensive to keep what they had, then to have built this new system with all touch sensitive screens ? Lol. The reason phones changed was because it was advanced technology and so are all cars, whether you like it or not.

[@vroomgc]

@@gs98999 Lol, ok so you know everything because Doug told you. Tesla didnt do it because its cheaper they did it as leading edge thing and others are trying to catch up. Its the future. Including voice control. Ever use a Google Home or Amazon Echo ? Dieselgate, lol. Do you know there were 6 different car manufacturers that were doing similar type cheating at that time. VW were the biggest ones that got caught , thats all. Its like saying doping at the Olympics is only done by Russia .. Seriously man.

[@g.donuts3551]

Had a Mk7 Autobahn. Great interior. Fun to drive. Horrible reliability. But, at least it had a great interior. They ruined the GTI and R.

[@joeyschmoey9138]

This comment is late, but what do you mean about reliability? I've never owned but would love to get a GTI as next car but keep hearing about the reliability issues. Every reviewer loves the car but does not speak of the reliability really.

[@Jacob_Bisping]

I had a gti stage 2 for 50,000 + miles and the only reliability issues were 02 sensors because of a catless downpipe

[@lpolaryzd4816]

I cant believe people pointing out the price, get a base spec and it will be 29k and the only thing you will miss out on is the audio system and the adaptive chassis, come on guys

[@markday5797]

Thanks guys, but will be keeping my 2019 GTI MK7.5 for a long time. Will never get my head around the front grill and bumper. VW just Keep It Simple silly.

[@camcappe353]

I love it and the infotainment just beautiful!

[@DanS949]

Seems a bit odd to get so hung up on the price of the fully loaded spec

[@davidmullineaux6157]

I don't know the volume comming to US for this iteration, but I don't see people pay $40k for this car. I see deep discounts in time.

[@AirBudProMax]

Is this new interior cheaper to implement in the long run then physical controls?

[@joebrito2066]

40K is the new 30K on this economy. It’s insane the prices of these new vehicles

[@sporopeza]

Uh, I'll stick with my fully loaded 2017 MK7 GTI which I paid full price of $28K and just $2400 extra with stage 2 tune, which includes suspension mods. I have 337HP. Today, a brand new 2022 low end MK8 GTI is at least $38K before tax and destination fees.

[@vroomgc]

Yes but what will you do when that turbo goes ;)

[@tkusterb]

The brand new 2022 "low end" ("S") base trim with DSG that I test drove had a sticker of $32K. Same engine and mechanics as the upper end car and a physical volume knob!

[@ronroberts8036]

Granted I am old, but does anyone really want to be looking at a screen while they are driving to operate heat and AC? As time goes on cars are doing better and better with the powertrain, but really screwing up on the interiors and tech adds. For my money I'd go with the MK7 GTI and an ECU tune. Way better than 240HP.

[@avery4528]

If you just want a car you should buy the lowest level trim Mazda 3 that gets it done for you, but it misses out on performance. Buy the GTI S Trim for $30,000. For $6,500 more you could get a BRZ competitor with the fuel economy and practicality of the Mazda 3. It's a great only car. You could own this for for around a decade and have 120-135k miles and be content with your ownership experience. At $40,000 I'm going to own two vehicles.

[@toddstevens8506]

1-Buy a base model, passive dampers are well judged and they throw in a volume/tuning knob for free. if you know how to operate a phone you can figure out the rest, I have in 2 weeks. 2- I just hopped out of a mk7.5 into a mk8, mk7/7.5 interior is better but overall the mk8 is a better car, better ride/handling, more refined, better powertrain, i could go on but there's no need. 3- Find one and drive it, don't listen to me and certainly don't listen to auto journalist's, they live is some weird car shaped bubble. Bottom line, my experience has shown me that the mk8 is a better GTI.

[@Cajun1978]

3:07 - I want a separate video on this GTI where Paul and Todd read the VW legal Notices! WTF is that????

[@mkygod]

Get MK7 or MK7.5 for cheap, drop another 600 bux to get it tuned and call it a day. As long as you DON'T get a first year model (2015 in the US), you don't have to worry about turbo reliability issues.

[@vroomgc]

Lol and you still wont come close to what the mk8 offers over an mk7 in the R model!

[@mkygod]

@@vroomgc well if you can get a tuned mk7 for less than half the price of a mk8 R and get the same power

[@vroomgc]

@@mkygod So yes you can tune any car to try and get similar power to a different model , that proves nothing. What about the massive list of things you wont have with that mk7 that the mk8 gives you ??

[@mkygod]

@@vroomgc well my original point is that the mk7 GTI is a good cheaper alternative to the MK8 GTI. It doesn't have any of the drawbacks that MK8 has (namely the interior quality and UI issues). Basically you'd be just giving up some tech and handling ability. Any power deficit can be made up with a simple tune. And in terms of looks, i think many GTI fans are split between the two generations.

[@vroomgc]

@@mkygod I dont know all the differences in the gti but in the Golf R its a huge difference between the mk7 and 8 not even including the power gains. Anyways the infotainment doesn't bother me because I know in a few weeks of driving I'd be use to it :) And I'm an old guy lol

[@L0rdVadr]

I think the shifter looks like a Golf club, not a golf ball. Just be glad it’s not the automatics chicken nugget shifter. 😄

[@vroomgc]

Those nugget shifters are becoming the norm in a lot of cars

[@kevinnorwood7355]

Yeah besides the interior being really bad I'll pass on it. I'd rather find a clean 7.5 GTI/Golf R. And just how many fog lights need? Not that most people know the proper way to use them. It seems that with the MK8 Vw has forgotten its roots and is far removed from its origins. As far as power goes the aftermarket is FULL of mods to make the GTI/R faster.

[@vroomgc]

Mk8 Golf R doesnt have those fog lights. So aside from the infotainment system what are you saying VW has gone away from . The new R is faster and better handling... no comparison.

[@anthonyfarnan5935]

Same chassis as the 7… what’s the point?

[@chrisscrossed7049]

Is the golf gti conbustion? Or hybrid?

[@darrensnyder4742]

2022 GTI DSG REVIEW Performance 9 Seats 10 Interior 9 Steering 10 Sound 9 Suspension 10 Fuel economy 8-9 Styling 9 Wheels 8 Infotainment 8 Competition: Veloster N base price here in Canada is $41,000. Base price GTI DSG is $32,000. That being said, the 2022 GTI is the best performance for the money. You could say the 2022 WRX might be at around $31,000 for the base, but it is ugly as f@ck inside and out, which is so unfortunate. Car stats compared (Car and Driver) Car make 0-60 / 1/4 mile / 5-60MPH / Skidpad / Braking 2022 GTI 5.1 sec / 13.6 @105 MPH / 5.5 sec roll / .98g / 151 feet 2019 Golf R 4.9 sec / 13.6 @104 MPH / 5.9 sec roll / .95g / 159 feet 2022 Vel N 4.8 sec / 13.4 @105 MPH / 5.5 sec roll / .99g / 157 feet 2021 STi 5.3 sec / 13.8@102 MPH / 7.0 sec roll / .90g / 158 feet 2021 WRX 5.2sec / 14.0@97 MPH / 7.1 sec roll / .93g / 159 feet

[@shijima_ending]

what

[@emiliodaloisio3312]

I agree with you that's why I have Mark8 on order only with 6speed manual:)

[@maureeheller2387]

Reiterating the base model for 31-32k, why not review that one as 40k is not a viable proposition

[@bonvaicu]

Where are you filming this ?

[@cayman9873]

I drove it. The shifter feels like poo...and its too comfy.. not enough road feel... The screen interface is awful... price is nuts

[@NGMonocrom]

Definitely ruined. Base S trim is actually the best one because at least you get two real buttons on that trim. But starts at $30K. Incredibly cheap interior for that price on the MK8 that the previous MK7 *definitely* didn't suffer from. And, on the S trim, despite getting remote start; you don't get remote keyless entry. That's ridiculous for a $30K car! Steering wheel fake buttons too easy to accidentally hit. Golf ball shifter on the manual now morphed into something uncomfortable for a human hand to grip. VW's version of a CVT automatic (nearly $1K extra) has the shift lever given a partial penectomy. Saw a 6-month review by an SE owner who is already complaining about mysterious rattles in the passenger side front door and in the dash. Owner paid an extra $10K for his because VW dealers are shamlessly marking them up. His conclusion, not worth what he paid for it. Positives: Uses regular gas, and gets very good gas mileage. Plus, practical to live with on a daily basis. Though honestly, several cars out there like that too.

[@joshcaldro6169]

The mk8 GTI from a pricing perspective makes the most sense in S trim (which is closer to 30k) the GTI that was tested is an autobahn and has historically always been the seemingly overpriced trim. The S model also comes with a simpler interface that still includes a manual volume knob. As a mk7 owner I truly believe it is a nice evolution forward, however if you were to pay 40k for a GTI you might as well spend the extra 5k and get a mk8 R. (if you can find one for msrp)

[@tsubakichan]

Everything wrong with the modern trends in technology. Ugh.

[@cyclistman6358]

I'll keep my 2017 MK7 GTI SE DSG and with a few cost effective mods (ECU, TCU & Suspension) I can have more power and comparable or better handling then the MK8. And I'll have the clean and properly configured interior (buttons, hybrid analog/digital gauges) of the MK7 too! The elimination of the proper sequential floor shifter (MK7) in the MK8 DSG in favor of that little tiny gear selector is a huge mistake IMO, since I use the floor shifter and paddles in manual mode all of the time. I could clearly see from the video that when your hands are in the proper driving position on the wheel (9 & 3) that part of their hands was on the haptic selectors and could possibly be activated, as in the C&D hot lap vid. NOT acceptable VW!! What have you done to our beloved GTI & R!! Peace

[@Tigerex966]

How has the maintenance been?

[@pierre-richardromain6708]

You'll find knobs on the S trim of the GTI.

[@joelpeterson2074]

I must be the worlds greatest genius/tech geek, because I bought a GTI 3 days ago and basically understood it right away. Yes, it is not perfect, but the level of hyperventilation by the car reviewing community is absurd. DO NOT LISTENING TO THE WHINING! IT IS NOT DIFFICULT! Edit: The haptic buttons on the steering wheel are too sensitive, I will admit to that. Edit 2: The GTI starts at $32k. You don't have to spend $40k! Mention these things please!

[@Nvp8985]

MK7.5 for the win.

[@rustbeltrobclassic2512]

I owned a GTi performance S with the MT in the 7.5gen. It was a blast to drive, but the build quality was horrible. It fell completely apart before 20k miles. That said, it was incredibly fun to drive and the plaid interior with the golf ball shift knob made it a fun thing to own. I think they ruined it with this new one, but after owning one, I’m good on ever getting another VW from Mexico

[@johnstone7697]

That's just bullshit. My'16 MK 7 was still like new at 20kmiles, and even at 6yrs old still looks and runs great. You either beat the living snot out of it, or you're not telling the truth. BTW, the Mk VIII's are all made in Germany.

[@Dusty1698]

Fell apart how?

[@rustbeltrobclassic2512]

@@Dusty1698 I am guessing my car was built by a guy in Mexico that wanted to leave the factory early on Friday. The driver door adjustment bolt was detached and the door literally fell off the stopper part in the middle of the door.. Luckily i had the door in hand when it happened.. So i was able to gently close the door, and the Dealer had to Helicoil a new bolt into the body to get the part reconnected. Then the issues with electric-tronics started around the 10K mile mark, where i would get a Xmas display of warning lights on the dash, which they blamed the battery for, indicating the car was updating data over night, and ran the battery dead, then i had an issues where both driver and passenger doors started to leak water into the interior when it rained, Then at about 14K miles it started to leak oil from the turbo housing seal, which was replaced under warranty, then it started to have a limp mode issue, where the new turbo was leaking vacuum causing a run lean error, which they found to be a cracked intake manifold.. then i traded it in at 16K miles for an F150.. Listen they are a BLAST to drive, amazing handling, and quite honestly probably the best manual transmission in a FWD car i have ever driven, way better than any modern Honda.. But if you are going to go GTI, lease it..

[@Dusty1698]

@@rustbeltrobclassic2512 I'm sorry you had such a shit time with it that sounds like quite the headache. Fortunately, these types of scenarios seem few and far between with the mk7/7.5. Most folks report solid reliability, even under power. Buying any German sports car is always a gamble but I'll take my chances I suppose

[@vroomgc]

@@Dusty1698 100% agree my 2016 Golf R "tuned" gets driven hard and has had zero of the issues that he mentioned or any other ones...

[@asdpoi121]

Dont you really know that they have "trims" ? Respect your experience but stressing 40k time and again when you get a base S for 32K ! With the same drive train. Not to mention, the base has volume and tune knobs. Not a VW fan boy and have an Si, but facts matter.

[@jasanmiguel]

I'm surprised you guys living in Utah don't realize that CLIMA is the spanish word for CLIMATE??

[@jeanfortin1250]

Boomers and their buttons. I'm 63 and love my 2023 GTI. Ordered an R also, love the driving dynamics.

[@TestDriveVideos]

Glad you like your GTI and don’t mind the new interface. But keep in mind two things 1) VW is bringing back some buttons because of complaints from all ages. 2) our guys aren’t boomers. Thanks for watching!

[@cayman9873]

The piano black is deal killer # 15

[@tetchuma]

The GTI should NEVER have an electronic parking brake!! VW can keep those capacitive touch “buttons”, the non-adjustable front headrests, and give us back HVAC controls and a volume knob… “I’m having to explain to a car company, how to fix the problems that has upset their entire fan base…” Not cool VW. I’m seriously tempted to sell my stock because I’m so ticked.

[@junliliu4997]

Because climate is spelt Klima in German.

[@patrickmckellips5960]

Outstanding!

[@javiersanjuanmanivesa1319]

well like they say there is always somebody who likes to be different. I love having no bottons its different. its modern and futuristic. The future is here. enough of nine million bottons. We all love the iPhones and androids and nobody says I want bottons anymore. Enough said. I cant wait to have it in my hands.

[@jasanmiguel]

(2) Gripes, (1) when you two start talking prices, you give away the fact that you don't pay for any of these vehicles. Have either of you noticed how expensive cars have gotten? The average price of a new car is now $45,000!! and (2) are the two of you trying out for one of those Geico parents commercials??!!

[@TestDriveVideos]

Like all automotive journalists, we drive press cars. And we hope you noticed we discussed that this car is absurdly expensive. We're well aware of current car prices, and discuss it twice weekly on our Podcast.

[@samerbayoumi6378]

my gti mk7 has 380hp and 410 trq 0_0

[@keithjackson4985]

This is a very nice looking car. Why is it that Volkswagen has to make things more challenging? I know you guys don't work for Volkswagen, but you review cars so I ask the question? I wouldn't buy this, based on the fact that I would have to relearn how to use a bunch of different controls.

[@TestDriveVideos]

VW set out to make a new interface for their EVs and is now putting it in everything. The thinking is that touch screens are cheaper than making a lot of buttons - but the reality of their complication in driving cars across the industry hasn’t caused a reset yet. We shall see what the future brings…

[@dg7438]

What if your fingers are wet, not the right gloves, ,or electrical wear out... etc, etc etc. 😕

[@vroomgc]

Dont suck on your fingers, you'll be just fine , etc. etc...

[@ocieboyd2249]

The new interface works like an I Phone so its no problem for the youngsters. Its a problem for Gen x and baby boomers...hell I still have an I phone 7 because I can't deal with not having the button. VW should market toward a slightly older demographic. I had the Mk2 in college and the Mk6 mid life crisis. I will get the Mk8 but the base is fine, I'm not paying 40k for a GTi, and I like to tune my own suspensions anyway.

[@vroomgc]

Sorry I'm a boomer and I like electronics and new gadgets.

[@ocieboyd2249]

I just sat in the Golf R and sadly I must say, I really don't like the interface. Boomer, Gen x, whatever that interior( seats excluded ) no bueno!

[@vroomgc]

@@ocieboyd2249 Yep, try using it for a few weeks and maybe, just maybe, you wont be so negative. The car itself, aside from not having a volume button, is a big step up from the mk7 version.

[@emiliodaloisio3312]

@@vroomgc man the haters of the new infotainment system is unreal...give it a chance guys!! I think it looks pretty slick and I owned a mark7 gti. Also the mark8 looks much more "grown up"

[@st33fie]

The manual gear lever looks horrific. You really can tell that VW designed this interior to be an automatic.

[@emiliodaloisio3312]

what exactly makes it look "horrific"? bit of a stretch don't you think?

[@st33fie]

@@emiliodaloisio3312 Are you visually impaired? Even the seeing eye retriever walks around it with visible disgust…

[@CB-tx3ul]

Even as a devout Honda guy, I quite liked the MK7 styling and performance... Especially for the price. And while I don't mind the MK8 performance, the styling and interior design is an absolutely massive letdown. Especially when you could get the Type R for about the same money and it would walk ALL OVER the GTi in pretty much every category. Sure, the R styling is a little silly and the infotainment sucks but you got another 60+ HP over even the MK8, another 30 ish lb-ft of torque, proper steering, proper adaptive damping, significantly more interior space, and it has actual fucking buttons. VW missed it with this one, huge.

[@vr6gls]

1) The Type is comparable to a Golf R. Not a GTI. 2) Type R is manual only. Believe it or not, that is a deal breaker for some people. 3) Try buying a Type R at MSRP. Almost all Type R’s have ludicrous dealer markups. So in reality the VW is much cheaper.

[@joed3613]

Guys c'mon, that's no longer a golf ball, its now a golf CLUB. The new GTI is dead to me with that interior. I'll keep my Mk7.5 Rabbit for a while longer.

[@ironreed2654]

Why does the Jetta GLI get no love? Their cheaper and have the same numbers.

[@johnstone7697]

Nope. Jetta GLI is Mk 7.5 spec for the drivetrain, not MK 8.

[@ironreed2654]

@@johnstone7697 They have the limited slip from 2019 up with the GLI and GLI Audubon, what else is different about them? I've never heard complaint about MK7 Edit: Only looking at 6-speeds.

[@basslover352]

@@ironreed2654 different turbo. 228 vs 241hp.

[@vr6gls]

GLI is cheaper and feels cheaper. It feels like a lazier GTI. Besides, a hot hatch buyer doesn’t want a sedan.

[@tacticalpause3767]

240 is not the sweet spot for sport cars, lol 240 is slow af tbh, at least for the golf.

[@lazarushernandez5827]

My 18 year old (18!) MKIV R32 felt that. 😅

[@porscherain]

Not selling my Mk7.5

[@Victic005]

Front engine front wheel drive!

[@vroomgc]

Thanks for the clearing that up for us ...

[@facebookdesign8748]

Young Stephen Collins with young Larry Miller! 🧐

[@audieconrad8995]

As a MK7 owner...VW fucked-up.

[@crashn2me105]

Hi, guys as always I enjoy the interaction between you two long time friends. As for the Gulf GTI, it's still ugly and boring although I'l give them this they finally ditched the hideous plaid seats. although we all know a certain person loves them. At 40k it's simply ridiculous! Now the MINI Cooper JCW - The Chuck-wagon as Paul referred to it is 40K all in. I submit to you that the Turbo Bettle is more interesting style wise . Heres a thought do a review of the turbo Bettle. A belated thank you for the Datsun Roadster review. I was the one who wrote to you and told you about my Datsun SRL311 2000. And funny enough your video was posted April 21, four days before my birthday lol. If any of the audience doubts that these guys read emails, I'm proof. What made that car great was that I only wieghed a buck and a quarter at 27. You two Rock....... Sincerly, Ralph Montano

[@TestDriveVideos]

Thanks for watching and enjoying what we do, Ralph!

[@crashn2me105]

@@TestDriveVideos You are very welcome. I found you guys on 2009 and subscribed, not to mention your movies. Thank you for the amazing content. Here's to many more years to come. The best is watching two best friends out doing what they love. Peace...

[@brentbushnell2715]

Clima ist doch Deutsch, ihr beide.

[@stevem8112]

Ruined. I wonder if these will be sitting on lots and then blown out on cheap subsidized leases?

[@tkusterb]

Most of the limited allotment of GTI's coming to my dealer are pre-sold.

[@stevem8112]

@@tkusterb Yeah because there's no inventory

[@crashn2me105]

Mini Cooper JCW or Supra is way better....

[@paulh6517]

Too much money and Carbon buildup. Wasn't the last GTI starting at 27K?

[@johnstone7697]

Yeah, and this one starts at 30K. They're ragging on the TOTL Autobahn package with all the bells and whistles. I wish they were clearer about that. Between promos and incentives, I'm guessing you will still be able to get a stripper out the door for under 30.

[@sporopeza]

Refined or Ruined? Both. Full stop.... More Performance and the worse interior of all the MK generations. VW has lost their way. It must be some soy boy in Germany designing the interior.

[@peemo888]

🤮🤮🤮 interior & price

[@daniellanzotti2391]

Today on Frick and Frack...something something cars right, this rides better right? Why do people say right after every sentence nowadays. Mark Cuban does this on Shark Tank all the time so annoying, do you want me to say you are right so confused lol? Just be confident and say what you gotta say brother.

[@jonnhygonzales3030]

40k for that vw pos ??? hahhaha,,,, get a Stinger instead

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

So you recommend giving up one pos and buying another pos. Oh ok.

[@rob_nice1]

Ruined after the Mk4.

[@ravipeiris4388]

Bring back quality and reliability VW, then we'll talk. Otherwise, volkswagen is an irrelevant car company, at least in North America, Ravi Peiris M.D.

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

Get a Mini Cooper. Case closed.

[@crashn2me105]

Golf = Boring

[@MukiMuki688]

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