What We Learned After Testing a Volkswagen Golf GTI for 40,000 miles

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By now, most of us are quite familiar with the godfather of hot hatches. Always engaging and entertaining yet practical and rational, Volkswagen's Golf GTI has won us over time and again with the formula it introduced to the world nearly 50 years ago. Or maybe it's the GTI's non‑juvenile hot‑hatch persona-sans gaudy wing and shouty exhaust-that keeps us coming back for more. Either way, when the eighth‑generation GTI came out, we knew we needed one for a 40,000‑mile shakedown.
In a rare show of restraint, we chose the $30,540 base model and added only one option: the humble Moonstone Gray paint for $395. More than $30,000 for a base GTI, you say? In a world where you can spend six figures on a Jeep Wrangler or a Ford F‑150, we consider it a bargain.
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00:00 Intro
00:50 What we got, what it cost
01:21 What we liked
05:32 What we didn't like
07:06 Fuel economy
07:45 Winter
08:48 Service, maintenance, and repairs
09:54 Tire wear
10:25 Recalls
10:45 Wrap-up

[@AudiophileTubes]

I'm 63, and have owned and driven nothing but GTI's all of my life! My Mk1 and Mk2 GTI's were the most fun, and my current GTI, a 2003 GTI VR6, has been my daily driver for almost 22 years now (all of them manual transmissions). The VR6 has been the most reliable, and it still puts a smile on my face when driving it. I would love to own the latest GTI, but can't afford it due to massive medical debt. So i'll just keep my VR6 'panzer tank' until it dies, or I do!

[@homeskillet2606]

Have had my MK8 GTI S for almost a year. Been a daily commuter as well as weekend fun car. I can confirm the infotainment and haptic touch controls are nowhere near as bad as journalists claim. They work flawlessly and respond instantly. In fact, using them for about 2-3 days, you just get used to them so fast. It's been a fantastic car in every sense, and one I'll keep for an extremely long time!

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

Amen! MK8 GTI SE DSG owner here for nearly a year and a half.

[@brianjohnston7344]

Same here , no problem!

[@acerimmer8338]

It's absolute shite. I purchased 2 MK7 GTI's brand new. Was excitedly waiting on upping to the new Golf R as it has a proper rear differential. One go-around in the car killed all my enthusiasm. It's an objectively terrible UX. There's no 'getting use to' idiotic systems. So I bought a Genesis G70. VW absolutely blew it, and it's not just reviewers saying so. The Mk8 isn't selling near as well as Mk7 did.

[@-.__.__.-Rad]

I think the aggravation level varies from user to user... Acura made a similar mistake, now its corrected... Mazda also(non touch screen) reversing trends... It would be a deal breaker for me also

[@TraceyAllen]

Yep! 23SE 14k miles love it, so clean and uncluttered.

[@poetryonplastic]

I'm glad someone else is having the issue with the car constantly screaming "TRAVEL ASSIST IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE" every five minutes. This started happening to me after about 34,000 miles.

[@HarryTwatter]

you need a new steering wheel there's a recall

[@RafsioKaman]

This

[@alexnackley3865]

2022 model here, I had this problem for years, the dealership replaced the steering wheel and it's fixed!

[@leospaceman2976]

@@HarryTwatterdoes it affect 2024 GTIs?

[@kennedykamau744]

I had this issue only when it was raining heavily but it stopped around 10k miles

[@davidclymer2207]

I have a 2022 GTI SE with 6 speed manual. It's been great. The only issue I've had was the steering wheel triggering erroneous safety warnings on the dash. It was changed under warranty, and the car has been rock-solid ever since. I've owned three GTIs previously - a 2017, a 2015, and a 2010. I love the GTI format, and I'm glad to be driving the latest version of this fantastic driver's car.

[@That.Car-Guy]

How long did it take to get a new steering wheel? I have a 2022 Autobahn with the same issue

[@Alfra1324]

I bought am MK6 brand new! 2 door manual transmission tornado red! Never had any problems with the GTI, except the water pump and the manifold intake, and those were replaced under warranty! 82000 and still going strong! 💪 ❤😊

[@zubastik2992]

My intake manifold was not covered by warranty(2015 mk7 gti s dsg 2 door as well ……it was after 3 years I had it 😢. Paid 450$ i believe). Other than that no breakdowns

[@asdpoi121]

Thanks for doing work like this and the value you bring to this otherwise cosmetic and 4K fancy auto review game.

[@hello520111]

i own a 2005 GTI 1.8T. Never been fixed or timing belt still there never changed. I only have 130000 miles on it because I am a truck driver. This car truely is work of art.

[@rhlastnae5236]

Timing belt, if not timing chain, should be changed at the recommended intervals be it in miles or time. If not mistaken that is not a non-interference engine.

[@OliverHoffmannDesign]

Great review-and corresponds to my experience. My 2020 (7.5) GTI S solves most of your main frustrations (better dash controls, better steering wheel) and I honestly don't understand why anyone wants a larger screen on the dash. With a Class 1 hitch, I occasionally tow a trailer full of lumber. For someone who has to live with one car at a time, the GTI is a solid contender for best all-around daily driver.

[@casperghost7182]

love all the honest reviews👍👍👍👍

[@whatthe6532]

Perfect summation of the car.

[@kennethawesome]

Yay Carlos is back. The current GTI was on my shop list

[@JacesOwnWorld]

This is a very good “real world” review put together for this car.

[@waxmax117]

Really appreciate these long term reviews Carlos, you guys do fantastic work! I had a '20 Veloster N which did have more power, but was nowhere near as economical as this. It looks to be a sweet spot of efficiency and performance. I'm curious to know what the passive suspension is tuned to on this compared to the adjustable dampers on the higher trims. Probably somewhere in the middle?

[@jwolf6025]

Great review! The only issues I've faced with the MK8 R so far has been the creaking sounds from the pillars and the hatch plastic! No other issues with infotainment or haptic switches

[@final_mile_music9713]

I had to have a new infotainment unit as mine was constantly calling service by itself. Once fixed it’s been amazing. I got the S 380 with the summer tires, bigger wheels, manual box and adaptive suspension. It’s absolutely fantastic. It’s perfect for the road. A LOT of fun and incredible around corners. And bear in mind my weekend car is a manual Cayman. So that’s my comparison. I WOULD recommend the summers though. I got Bridgestone Potenza 235, 35’s and the grip is superb. No traction loss on acceleration, unlike my winter tires. They transform the car so I’d recommend it. As for all the haptic stuff. It works absolutely fine. All these journals just jump on the same bandwagon. I’d prefer buttons, yes. But it all works find. As for the ECO minder, just turn it off.

[@Fmandan77]

I have 11K miles my new MK8 GTI 380 edition with the base infotainment system like their test car. I don't understand the fuss about the steering wheel controls or the on screen climate controls. I'm 47 years old and while I'd prefer traditional buttons on the steering wheel and physical knobs for the climate control, I don't find these things annoying ever. The only buttons I use on the steering wheel regularly are volume and track skipping. You simply get used to it if you drive the car.

[@GlacierWhiteA4]

Just bought my MK8 had it for two months now Its super fun that’s coming from a stage 2 B9 A4 super fun daily supper fun to drive and all around a great car

[@jameschristian1549]

As an owner of a 2023 GTI SE, I don't have a problem with the controls, except with gloves on. As being retired I don't put many miles on my car (3600 in 11 months) but the miles I have put on it have been very enjoyable.

[@stevemiller1626]

Just read the print article today. Nice job.

[@ChefDaveWillard]

Recently picked up a lightly used '22 S model (in Oryx White, the fastest color). I don't miss the upgrades in the upper models, particularly, and once I got all the nanny software dialed in as much as VW would allow, am delighted with it. Honest fun, practical sensibility, and amply fits large land mammals like me. I'm not all that bothered by the infotainment system (somewhere, a VW engineer is silently breathing "thank you" for a lone vote of mild positivity) and appreciate some of the thoughtful details that differentiate the GTI from the rest of the fanboi hot hatches. Plan on having this one for a long, long time.

[@lllateralus]

My 2017 MK7 Tornado Red Golf R DSG is fantastic.

[@raptor_boss6402]

22 SE DSG owner here at currently 42,000 miles. Been loving the car ever since I got it with 7 miles on the odometer. The only issues I’ve had throughout it’s time so far was the steering wheel which is now replaced (red stitching now if y’all were curious, it was black for 22’s.), door speakers (all four I think) and one of the Goodyear Eagle Sports got a split or puncture so I threw on Cooper ProControls and called it a day. As far as fuel economy goes I’ve been getting around 32-37 MPG. Beings in Michigan there is winter so obviously 32 is about only the worst I’ve gotten. As far as winter goes the car does really well in snow. Couldn’t really say what was better between the Goodyear’s and the Cooper’s but they were both good in the snow. Sometimes you can really feel the Limited Slip Diff working though. Maintenance wise I go every 5,000 miles. DSG fluid I go 40,000 miles. No leaks from either. As far as haptic buttons go and how it is setup on the GTI I have zero complaints. I’m a set and forget it type of person so I set the climate control automatically to 72 degrees Fahrenheit and it does the rest. Maybe only hit the heated steering wheel button one time but that’s about it (for those who don’t know you can hold the button to turn off the heated steering wheel). Zero check engine lights too. Oil and filter are Genuine VW and Audi. 0W-20. And always put Shell 87 octane in it. Overall I love my purchase and do not regret it one bit. If you are unsure drive one if you can. Get a feel for it. Here’s to many more miles in my GTI!

[@nicholasmatthews5989]

Great to hear that you are loving your GTI, although having initial problems. Thanks for the info regarding the stitching on the steering wheel being black and now red. Did not notice this previously. Now looking at a 2023 review the stitching was black, verses 2024 review it is now red. Looks much better in red. Also I have noticed that the leather front seats now have red GTI embossed in them, where previously there was no embossing. VW have been making subtle changes with the Mk 8 Golf. Cheers (from Australia).

[@JohnDoe-xr5is]

I bought a Mk7 new. Sold it as soon as it went off warranty. Fun to drive, but what a piece of crap. Tires cupped at 10k miles. Water accumulated in a pool in the spare tire area. All 4 rotors had terrible grooves cut into them...I can understand one, but all 4? And the rotors would rust overnight when it rained. And worst of all, the computer shut down one of my cylinders while on the highway. Could barely go 45mph in a 70 zone. Had it towed to a dealership. (still on warranty) Dealership said they saw where the computer shut off the cylinder, they don't know why, can't recreate it...sorry about your luck, come get your car. I will never buy another VW as long as I live.

[@moheel7022]

Sounds like a you problem. My mk7 has been great

[@housepianist]

Tires aren’t an auto manufacturer problem. It’s the tire maker. However, cupping can come from many things like suspension issues, tire misalignment, etc. But this can be the result of aggressive driving, especially if more than one tire is affected. That is very uncommon, and highly suspect. Add to the fact that all four rotors are grooved would indicate overly aggressive driving. I’ve never heard of this for any GTI I’ve read about. And I’ve owned a couple GTIs in the past. Dealer technicians can probably detect these conditions as coming from aggressive driving and they probably may not have wanted to fix those problems under warranty. Ok, I’m assuming that the cause of your problems are from aggressive driving and that may be untrue. But it just seems suspicious that you would have all the things happen like this.

[@XIronApeX]

Imagine complaining about rotors creating surface rust when it's rains 🤡🤡 it's bare metal, everyone's rotors rust

[@threemileallan]

oh no rotor rust?!? whoaaaa

[@housepianist]

@@threemileallan ikr?

[@brendanmichaelshea]

2023 GTI 40th Anniversary Edition owner (basically the S trim, but with DCC adaptive dampers and a few other goodies) and I love the car. It's the perfect size, fun to drive, and pretty inexpensive to maintain so far. Similar to what other owners have said in the comments, the steering wheel controls are not nearly as bad as reviews make them out to be - I actually quite like them (swiping to change volume is pretty handy.) The infotainment is pretty good; it's a little cumbersome to modify climate settings, but honestly it is better than my mk6 GTI where the air direction knob had icons that you couldn't even see as a driver.

[@fakenews4734]

oh your brand new car isnt expensive to maintain? whoa

[@smiddysmidton8313]

40th anniversary 2023? The 40th anniversary GTI was 2016 model

[@runningawayvagabond5876]

Emphasis on 'so far'. It's coming, you just don't know it yet.

[@elikinzie23]

Owned one for a year same trim level. Had absolutely zero issues with the haptics or infotainment, in fact actually prefer the look and feel. Journalists either lie to fit in or compare to ancient things that don’t get made. Loved this car though.

[@SuperMcgenius]

Note: there have been a number of studies suggesting that 10,000 miles between oil changes is not a good idea, the sweet spot seems to be around 6000 miles if you want to keep your car past warranty.

[@GlennC789]

The ONLY way to come to a knowledgeable conclusion about oil lifespan is to do analysis. Drivers and conditions vary far too much to come to any useful conclusions without it. For me where I live and the way I drive 10k is actually very reasonable and more frequent is just wasteful.

[@rileynaka8323]

@@GlennC789 True. If you use high quality oil and do mostly highway driving, you can get away with 10k intervals. If you do mostly city driving and spend a lot of time idling, you probably want to do 5k.

[@android175]

I do 80% highway driving and oil analysis says my oil still has 20% life

[@ericcarson342]

Or change the oil every year, whichever comes first (5-7000 miles, or 1 year).

[@mentorofarisia371]

@@android175 NEVER rely on that.

[@johny1127]

I used to have a 2022 SE trim, and it was nice while it lasted. I loved the car but there was just too many issues with the electronics. I was able to get the new steering wheel but there was just other issues like with the infotainment system taking a hot minute to start up, or even times where my speakers didn't work at all. The drivetrain was perfect, it was just all the "new" tech that just wasn't ready for its primetime. I'm faithful to VW (as I currently drive a '23 RAV4 Hybrid lol) but I'm excited to see what VW does for the next generation of the GTI.

[@StevenKrug]

I’ve got a 22 GTI SE and the only problem I’ve had was the issue with the steering wheel that was causing errors with the safety features. Got that replaced and it’s been perfect as a daily. People definitely make way too big of a deal with the haptic controls, I have zero issue with them.

[@macaron3141592653]

That interior and the software issues make me glad I went with an Elantra N instead. Its a real shame because this is an excellent powertrain and more efficient than the N.

[@kade7102]

I have a 2024 mk8 GTI S DSG, and I drive it every single chance I get. It’s such a fun, practical little beast. Additionally, I agree with others in the comments. The haptic touch controls are not at all bothersome to live with. After a while, you get used to them and actually come to kinda enjoy them. I personally think the current mk8 is more of an enticing deal than the new mk8.5 facelift. If you’re in the market, jump on one. You won’t regret it. You might regret the giant iPad screen in the mk8.5 though.

[@jondiaz3475]

Had 2 GTI’s and a Mk7 Golf Sportwagen TDI over the past 15 years, and cumulatively only went back to the dealership once for warranty stuff. We also had a 2007 Passat wagon and would buy an updated version tomorrow.

[@silentvalue]

There's a difference between something being minimalist and feeling cheap. That's the best way I can describe how I felt the first time I sat in a mk8. It just felt rental. I felt the same way moreso in the corolla gr. My mk7 currently has 78k miles on it and still runs fine. It's fully modded and is coming due for some regular maintenance. (Still on the original waterpump/tstat on a 17) I have managed to keep everything in very good condition as I'm the only one in it, and I don't have kids. It's just a fun daily driver. It's been paid off for a while now, and the cost of cars today versus when I bought the GTI seems to take the notion of value out of all of it. For most people, the elantra n is the better car for same or less money. I've never driven one, but I don't think I even need to. I have driven both gen ctrs tuned and untuned with the fl5 being a solid favorite just based on the interior and suspension alone. The new wrx, although an acquired taste, could be a good option for the price point depending on location. If I were actively shopping today.....I'd be looking at the new '24 elantra n's.

[@robertswanson5269]

Hyundai sucks and have made horrible cars that don't last long since their inception. The GTI will outlast the elantras 2-3X. The same goes for kias they suck too. Also, stop saying the MK7 is a better car. It's just not true. Anyone whos said the same old 'it feels cheap' bs has not driven one for an extended period of time. I get that the MK7 was a great gen, I do. The MK8 is just better.

[@davepaek5014]

my 2022 arteon also needed a new steering wheel because the same error message was coming up.

[@kinmikey]

I thank goodness all the time I've got a 2018 without all the extra junk and the old infotainment dash, phew. Love it

[@CarStory]

Same here. The MK 7.5 was the last great GTI.

[@keesvanderboef3226]

Dcc is a must have

[@Hybridog]

I drove my '85 GTI for 16 years. Had the coldest air conditioner I've ever seen which was nice in Texas. Donated it to the National Kidney Foundation when it was worn out. Speaking of air conditoning my previous car was a '74 Opel Manta Rally with NO air conditioning.

[@EdAb]

Great review! NO HAND BRAKE!!!! That would be the deal breaker for me.

[@spinnetti]

Love em', but somehow never had one. I have had 12 other VAG models though lol.

[@stories1984]

Had mine for 2 years now. As a car it is wonderful. Powerful enough, sporty enough, comfortable enough, and convenient with ADAS enough. The electronics are hot garbage and at least once a month just stop working (e.g. backup locks up, infotainment does nothing, audio system stops, Android auto disconnects in middle of navigation).

[@eby61mss]

6k miles in on my mk8 GTI, the only gripe is I just wished that there's physical knobs for the climate control, other than that the capacitive touch buttons on the wheel and infotainment a none issue for me, just a quick getting used to and done. And the quick swipe down from the screen for shortcuts helps a lot, i.e. switching off auto start stop. Not sure why but I can change driving modes while driving, I'll usually change to 'eco' when I'm stuck in slow traffic. And I'm getting ~330 miles per tank.

[@BocaAtractivo82]

Very good review including it's obvious drawbacks

[@K_k0007]

Does anyone know if the newer model s trims have passive entry without having to use the key to unlock??

[@lptomtom]

4:40 How is it surprising that there was enough space in the car for the two-night hospital stay of a single person? In Europe Golfs are often used as family cars, including for holidays, loaded with luggage for 2 parents and 2 kids!

[@antibureaucrat]

I stopped half way thru - you confirmed my DISPLEASURE with VW's nonsense "controls" on the steering wheel and display - this is not a new complaint, can't believe they still do this ! TKS

[@tasstychezbugu1563]

A Majority of these small issues can be common on a brand new model.. Within 2 years they’ll have a lot of these issues ironed out

[@cheezybred]

I got used to the controls after a couple months, I would prefer physical climate, but it’s not that big of a deal.

[@tomm7505]

I've owned two GTIs in my life: an '01 6MT which I sold after 3 years and a '13 Autobahn 6MT which was great and which I also sold after 3 years. When I started shopping for a new MT vehicle this year, I looked at but did not even consider the GTI. That horrible dashboard with no real buttons and the haptic controls on the steering wheel completely turned me off of this car. Plus, now with all cars having so many more electronic "minders" and with VW's (and German cars in general) electronic "issues", there's no way I was going to take a chance. I ended up shopping the three remaining hatchback 6MT vehicles: a Mazda 3 Premium, a Honda Civic Sport Touring and an Acura Integra ASpec Tech. Ended up with the Integra in April. Very happy with my choice.

[@grantlingley1385]

Tires....I appreciate your review on this subject but in almost all practical use cases, I can't see those tires being a problem. They are quiet and provide for a comfortable ride. In Canada, we almost to a person have two sets of tires...Summer and Winter. In fact, it is illegal to drive without Winter tires during that season in some provinces. I usually just use up my All Season's that came with the car and then purchase a set of Summers. I am not sure that I see a difference in daily driving so a moot point. If I was doing Solo II or other DE events, I would get DOT Race Rubber and use that for those events.

[@drumflip1253]

Owned 5 GTI’s but skipped this gen. Don’t like the very minimal infotainment and lack of buttons. I’m a hot hatch person and looking forward to the next gen with more substantial infotainment and some physical buttons on the steering wheel.

[@robertswanson5269]

You're missing out. Live a little.

[@BobMaltbie]

Guess I shouldn’t be surprised about infotainment system and haptic buttons. But I love mine on my ‘22 MK8 R, and IMO the whole system is very intuitive once it becomes so with time-a few weeks or months, sort of like flip phone to iPhone. Indeed even to a point where actual buttons are so outmoded.😂. But you know what they say about opinions.🤙🙌🤠

[@itslucien]

It sucks that there's still a wait for steering wheels. I was able to get mine installed within a week, but I did notice that the texture of the leather seems different than the previous one I had

[@krisvalenti4141]

I actually like the haptic controls on the wheel. Took about a week to get used to but thats it. Just don't hammer fist it .

[@rhlastnae5236]

Exactly, there are companies making money by upgrading the button steering wheel of the MK7 to a button-less of the MK8.

[@voffchik26]

Great video! Glad I still have my MK7 and dont see much reason to get a MK8

[@seanmason4036]

I thought the same thing with my 19 Rabbit Edition, until I drove a mk8. Mk8's suspension tuning alone are worth trading, add the new turbo making the car have a much better powerband and the 380 Edition perks and it was a no brainer to trade.

[@r_muntz]

I own a MK8 with 11k mi, so obvs biased... Really surprised ya'll didn't get used to the infotainment after 40K mi.... Even considering multiple drivers. It felt intuitive to me after maybe 150 mi and watching the ShopDAP guy's 10 min video explaining it. I don't even think about it anymore, even switching between my MK8 and my other car from the 90s with analog controls. Pretty easy. I nearly avoided buying a MK8 based on how big of a deal journalists made about the capacitive buttons, and in hindsight, I'm sooo glad I didn't listen to the reviews. My sense is the car's so good for what it is that the infotainment is the only thing on the table to complain about so every reviewer bags on it? Good summary otherwise.

[@TinLeadHammer]

Considering the infotainment is the only major difference between the Mk7 and Mk8, the Mk7 is objectively better. Classier. Cozier.

[@smiddysmidton8313]

I don't have a MK8 but have driven a few ,really i would agree it is media drivel for the most part but i will say the touchscreens and touch sliders are completely unnecessary other than cost cutting ie plastic touchscreens are cheap . Good quality dials and switches are timeless.

[@harryberry474]

I wouldn't even concider a MK8 because of the capacitive "touch" controls, IMO they're a safety issue having to take your eyes of of the road while driving is the reason, maybe not so much for the steering wheel controls but try adjusting the heat w/o looking...good luck. It's not as bad as a Tesla but moving in that direction none the less. Buttons and physical switches are far superior but they cost more and that's why the change don't kid yourself (funny they make you think part of the increase cost is the "upgraded controls" BS). I've owned VW's and Audi's exclusively since the late 70's and I'm done, I love my 2017 Alltrack but the new cars with the haptic controls everywhere are a deal breaker. Sadly other makers are going down that road too.

[@chrishenry571]

It takes about 10 minutes to poke around to learn where things are and about a dozen trips to master everything. Should it have better controls, yes. Is this a study in bad design, yes. Does it stop anyone from using or enjoying the car? No. I'm more annoyed that the key keeps setting off the panic button in my pocket than anything else. For the sake of ffff, please, can I disable the panic alarm?!

[@Trucho001]

I absolutely agree with you. The ones that complain about the buttons or lack thereof, do not own the car and have not spent the two days needed to get a hang of them. The buttons are sooo satisfying to touch that I will miss them when I switch to another car.

[@dennisjones8906]

I just checked one out at a dealership. The infotainment system was a total turn off. And the glossy black and shiny red trim on the interior made me feel like the car was intended for much younger audience.

[@numb-lock]

Keyless Entry = With key in your pocket...Put your hand “into” either front door handle (or grab it) and it will unlock. Without opening the door, Pull your hand out quickly and put back “in” again and it will unlock all the doors.

[@stanleetfk3823]

Bottom trim doesn't come with that. SE in US or Autobahn in Canada , and up yes ..they all come with KE

[@lukaspippos5433]

Traded my 40th AE gti for an Elantra N. Gti was cool but the amount of features in the N is awesome. The infotainment is night and day

[@daduzadude1547]

I have a 2005 GTX (yes, rare one) I have 110k km on it now. Problems are mainly electric gremlins… constant electric gremlins. 😢 But overall nice car to drive

[@paleteriaelparaiso]

Did you use 87 or 91? Did you notice any difference using either or? Thanks!

[@ChefDaveWillard]

Search that on KZbin--there's a video on the topic. Spoiler: On the dyno, they saw slightly diminished power output with the higher octane fuel.

[@happykt]

I've driven 69,000 in 12 years in my Honda Civic, mostly local driving. Driving 20,000 miles a year seems extreme to me.

[@sammyt3514]

This GTI makes me regret not having picked up the previous gen when it was still in production; I prefer that gen in pretty much everything, especially the exterior/interior design.

[@Johnnybananass-_]

I bought the polo gti ( has the same engine slightly detuned ) great little hatch. And $10k cheaper than the golf gti abd I can mod the engine soon and get the same power as the golf r with two mods . And some better tires haha

[@jbowgo9599]

For me, excellent upgrade from MK7 to 8. Very engaging, less body roll, etc, etc. Haptic controls work great. Short learning curve. Gives the car a modern edge. Don’t be dissuaded by the haptic haters. I’m glad I wasn’t. Different, yes; functional yes; it works. About the only thing I preferred in the 7 over the 8 was the Fender system. The Harmon Kardon is ok but a notch below the Fender in overall fidelity. And it runs fine on the recommended regular octane!

[@crunchers9]

If you want a new GTI fully loaded do you have to get the auto transmission?

[@jbowgo9599]

No

[@jbowgo9599]

But no more manual availability in the ‘25 refresh.

[@BrakRulesAll]

That's great that you like the haptic controls, it's a subjective thing, but the "haptic haters" outnumber those who like them and it's not like we're all crazy for hating them. We have both a '19 Golf R and a '22 GLI in our household and those haptic controls on the steering wheel of the Jetta STILL frustrate me, 2 years later. VW has done an about-face and have gotten rid of them and gone back to conventional steering wheel controls. Thank goodness.

[@jbowgo9599]

Definitely subjective. But the majority of haptic haters don’t even own the car. And sad to say, buttons on cars will soon be a thing of the past as is the manual transmission. Also, there seems to be less issues with the haptic controls in the newer VW cars relative to when they were first introduced. On my ‘24 SE the haptics work perfectly.

[@shalashaska9946]

I'm at about 65k miles on my 22 SE manual, and the quality control is my biggest beef. Little things like the tail light seals failed so it filled with water and broke. Overall I'd say it's not worth it unless you're going to mod for speed. Just an ethanol tune and intake and I'm at ~400hp. Can't beat that for the price.

[@RCdopenutz]

How bad is the wheel hop and spin?

[@shalashaska9946]

@@RCdopenutz It's bad, it spins most of the way through 3rd and up to like 50mph. Which is nuts but I'm on all seasons so

[@89dungey]

@@shalashaska9946you need dogbone inserts

[@ColinRobinson666]

Main reasons to upgrade to Mk8 over Mk7: Bigger turbo with more overhead for tuning. Higher capacity fuel pumps for tuning overhead. Makes rated power at 87 octane vs 91, again more aftermarket potential. Better suspension tuning and handling.

[@rhlastnae5236]

And the golden Audi RS3 Quattro system that not even A or S Audi line has...

[@ColinRobinson666]

​@@rhlastnae5236Only scary part about the new rear diff is nobody has found the limits of it yet tuned. The 8Y RS3 seems to hold up good with it though 👍

[@tvted6160]

I’m surprised it didn’t break down before 40,000 miles 😂😂

[@heiner71]

You forgot to tell everybody for how many decades you already drive your Toyota and that it so far ran 300,000 miles without even an oil change.

[@tvted6160]

@@heiner71 🤣 you’re right 👍 Toyota bullet proof engines 👍 VW can’t even make an engine that runs with clean oil 😂

[@user-zx1qk5tp9o]

I own a 2001 Audi TT Quattro 6-speed with a ABT stage 2 modification. It drives faster and handles way better than my previous GTI and although less practical for $6000 I am selling it for is much more of a bargain.

[@crunchers9]

I've been following prices on used 2021-2023 GTI's with navigation for some time and NEVER see them with that many miles. I frequently see models about 2 years old with less than 10K miles on them. I have a feeling some of those issues mentioned are responsible for those sellers bailing on the GTI. I've had a used 2018 Elantra GT Sport for 4 years now, thinking about upgrading... but I haven't had any of those issues mentioned in my car, which just hit 65K. I'd like the power and precision of the GTI, and the MPG would be even better than the 29-30mpg I get, but for $10K more? I'll wait.

[@KXKKX]

I bailed on my bought new ‘22 S at around 9,000 miles. The user interface, screen and steering wheel, was dangerously difficult to use with basic functions requiring multiple steps and a long time looking away from the road. I had the loose radiator problem, a flaky rear-view camera (still bad after recall), frequently failing safety systems and a few other electrical gremlins. Probably could have lemon-lawed it, but I was able to sell it back to the original dealer for enough to not have to fight. FWIW there have been A LOT of these that did get lemon-lawed. There is definitely a reason you see so many for sale with very low miles. I typically keep new cars from six to ten years, the GTI made it 13 months. A shame, really, because when it was working it was a blast to drive. The happiest it ever made me was on the Uber ride home after selling it.

[@GTI_Man]

@@KXKKX My MK 7.5 has had similar electrical gremlins for the two years I’ve owned it. I’ve just chalked it up to VW ownership at this point.

[@sinccrruon]

Since you're coming from kdm do test drive an Elantra N. You will never look at VW again.

[@xxxdani310xxx]

How about a GLI? I was stuck looking for a low mileage GTI for months and stumbled upon a 2016 GLI that is fun and comfy to drive.

[@ChrisHsuCars]

I have a 2024 GTI and I was fully expecting to hate the haptic steering wheel controls. So far, after a few months, it hasn't been bad at all. They work fine. I guess time will tell how they hold up. I don't like the same control on the sunroof though, not as easy to use when you just want to tilt, or you want it to open. The climate controls are a pain though. The simple, easy to use dials and buttons from the mk7 were infinitely better. Other than that though, the car is a blast to drive and is truly better than the previous gen in that respect.

[@gordonfraites2844]

What trim level did you end up getting? Trying to decide if the autobahn is worth the added cost. Currently have a 21 gli autobahn.

[@ChrisHsuCars]

I have the top trim Performance edition

[@leviefrauim1425]

If it were your $$, Jetta GLI or the GTI? I'm liking the 40th anniversary 6 speed manual GLI. Costs less than the GTI too but I've always liked/respected the GTI.

[@TinLeadHammer]

Corolla Hybrid.

[@05Forenza]

I am admittedly biased about the screens/haptics as I work at a VW dealer, but they're genuinely not that bad. Every once in awhile something may not take your input immediately, but overall it's a great system thats fairly intuitive.

[@katiecannon8186]

I’m a 62 year old female who hates tech. The infotainment is perfectly good. Easy & intuitive.

[@gregj7916]

Decent long term review, the parts delay is not acceptable, i guess vw is trying to undo a lot of that headlong dive into bev’s…

[@dubsessed9790]

I was waiting to hear the steering wheel issue- it's surprisingly widespread and I'm hearing of people going through multiple steering wheels, each time waiting a while before the part is even available. Yikes.

[@olgagordienko8023]

Buy a CPO 2018 - 2021. I test drove a 2022 when it first came out. The infotainment system was horrible and lots of cheap plastics. I love my 2019 GTI Autobahn. Got it for 27K with a 4yr CPO warranty. Has been 100% reliable and so much fun to drive.

[@mikedaleiden7725]

Exactly!!! Nice find. VW seems to have one of the better CPO programs out there and you can often find subsidized CPO finance rates through VW that are WAY better than used car bank rates.

[@mbarton36]

MK7 -7.5 GTI’s are excellent cars if you can find one with lower miles. Wish they would release an 8.5 with physical controls before everything goes EV.

[@jaball77]

Just watch out for coolant leaks... My 2021 smelled like coolant after every single drive and the dealership insisted it was normal! Common complaint on GTIs and unfortunately a common dealer response...

[@mbarton36]

I guess they are doing an 8.5 for the next model year and ditching the haptic controls on the wheel…. BUT no more manual tranny after 2024 MY 👎🏻

[@nobleman-swerve]

​@jaball77 Yep, water pump is a known failure point and it's annoyingly tucked under the intake manifold. Aside from that however, Mk7's have actually been pretty darn reliable.

[@rob_lightbody]

Watching this from the UK, $30k is incredible cheap.

[@Gosu11]

i have a 2022 gti dsg and oh boy... its been interesting. brake line failure premature rotor wear engine mounts prematurley wore out causing the belt to rub the hose spraying coolant everywhere and the steering wheel problem a bad gps antena and a faulty park neutral switch. i like the car a lot still after all that its put me through, but damn this thing is giving me grey hairs

[@billman5253]

Almost everything is automatic so infotainment is not a big issue. Also you get used to the haptic buttons after a couple of hours.

[@AntFragale]

I simply don’t understand the issue with the infotainment. The entire thing works beautifully if left in auto. Just change the temperature and it’ll keep you comfy. How often do folks constantly change fan speeds or whatever else? I genuinely don’t understand why you’d need to. It’s like changing the blower speed in your house instead of adjusting the thermostat. I own a ‘22 R and it’s been about perfect. The steering wheel controls works phenomenally too. Seriously, what’s the issue? What actions need done regularly that are made frustrating by the interface/buttons?

[@peteyification]

I love mine. No issues with it so far, but the shift knob was one of the first things I replaced, haha.

[@jonkR96]

Prepare for the “Travel Assist unavailable” binging issue. Mine’s been doing it since last year. I have a 2022 SE manual

[@HarryTwatter]

You need a new steering wheel ​@@jonkR96

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@jonkR96 That issue was corrected in later builds. And helps to have the TSB and the travel assist module with the firmware version that corrected the problem.

[@jonkR96]

@@Pamlicojdjdj1487 I’m not looking forward to having mine done.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@jonkR96 They’ll replace your steering wheel. It is not sufficient to just replace the inner module in the spokes. Sucks but that is what your new car warranty is for.

[@someinternetrando4993]

I'll take 20 fewer HP and the center stack on my 2019 GTI every day of the week. VW really missed it with the new layout...why fix what isn't broken? Besides, if I want more power, I can get a Stage 1 tune and a new clutch and I can be in close-to-R-territory.

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Hmmmmm VW saying the traction control is off…when it really isn’t? Reminds me of a tiny issue with the diesel “reported” numbers vs. reality. Why can’t VW just be honest? I love the GTI….but the corporate decisions make me wonder if the car is hiding something…even when it might be fine.

[@NLLHW]

Such an easy car to fix for the enthusiast market - no touch buttons and an ever so slightly better manual transmission. That's it. Nothing else needs to be changed. Engine is good, chassis is good, looks are good. And yet, 2025 GTI retains touch and has removed the manual. But, as they say, the "market" knows best.

[@HarryTwatter]

The manual take rate is very low. And blame Europe for emissions standards

[@victormoreno2767]

Valve carbon cleaning due at 30k miles.

[@Rockybalboa541]

No

[@Savethemanuals94]

What sucks is that there’s no more manual available. On a GTI! Which is a more stupid decision that the route they’ve taken with the infotainment UX

[@kennedykamau744]

I’ve owned my mk8 GTi S trim with the DSG for about 25,000 miles. I’ve nearly modified everything I can on the platform and the only problems I’ve had are the stock brakes getting way to hot at fast speeds or long spirited drives and the infotainment screen bugging out and not working till the car dries fully after giving the car a wash while it’s on the stage 2 tune. Other than that and smaller issues it’s been a great car to track and daily.

[@ryanking6811]

This gen must not be super popular. It’s been out for how long now? I’ve literally never seen one in person. Ive seen plenty of WRXs and Elantra N’s though

[@DavGreg]

It is a GOLF - GTI is a trim level.

[@devn3813]

The S like this one has a volume and tune knob. It was a huge marketing failure by VW not to display that or at least tell people. They showed everyone the autobahn trims so people think all of them are fully touchless

[@TRBN8R]

No reason they couldn't have put them on every trim 🤷

[@Trendyflute]

I love my Mk7 Alltrack S 6MT and have had a couple friends with Mk7 GTIs they've also loved; I definitely respect the Mk8 is a further step forward in drivetrain and chassis, I have mixed feelings on the styling tweaks (front end is a nice update IMO; rear end looks cheaper and lamer) but that interior is such a deal breaker; the haptic UI is terrible, and the materials are just way less pleasant to touch and look at. It's such a mostly-great car it's a darn shame that they ruined it.

[@aztr0k1d]

I don’t think any modern gti has had a nice feeling shifter without adding a short shifter or changing hardware

[@salvadordarmata175]

Civic si or gti?

[@bryb2644]

The civic with the hybrid engine. GTI is nice, but the Honda will last longer and probably be just as fun to drive.

[@Kenneth_R]

10,000 mile oil changes will absolutely kill this engine in short order. 5k max.

[@future62]

I have an ID.4 with the "awful" CARIAD system. Personally I love it. The steering wheel controls in my car aren't haptic I think which helps. But even the screen is fine. I think journos have lower infotainment standards because they are constantly switching cars. But I live with it every day and you get used to it.

[@andrewyt-gv8iv]

Just in case VW Corporate is somehow unaware of the awfulness of the infotainment system: it’s a dealbreaker; as in, I would like to purchase this car, but won’t due to the lack of physical volume and climate controls.

[@kirk8359]

Same. I’ve had 7 GTI’s, loved them all and want a 2024 in manual as it’s going away. I refuse to “get used to it” in regard to the infotainment system. I adapt to things I don’t like on my MacBook, but not a $40k car.

[@FallenArtemie]

I think enough time has passed. The GTI is a really good car and people are too worked up by the infotainment. I've owned the SE Mk8 in the past and the only issue I had with it was the travel assist warning. Just set the AC to Auto, move the ESC controls to the quick menu, and you're good to go. I also recommend changing out the shift knob to something heavier.

[@truth4reel]

I feel that auto journos have killed the OG isf with bad press and also partly killed the LFA even though it was over priced. Nowadays them journos are praising those same vehicles for being exceptional. Go figure

[@kylenewberry8598]

I own the S trim of a 22 that I got about a month and 1/2 ago. After maybe a week, you get used to the infotainment and realize it's set up like an old school iPhone with the home button. It's excellent, and quick, and the haptics on the wheel are great too. You can control the volume with clicks or slides. You can swipe the cruise control in 5 mph incraments, you can swipe to the next favorite radio station or track, etc. Anyone who has major complaints with this is just looking for things to say bad.

[@RCdopenutz]

Seems to usually be the last gen owners. Same goes with the civic guys they hate on the newest one almost as bad

[@MishtahPoog]

There's no reason to be so dismissive at the end, there. It's entirely plausible that the vast majority of reviewers actually don't like the controls and aren't only looking for things to dislike, just like it's entirely plausible that there are many owners like yourself who do like the controls.

[@kylenewberry8598]

@@MishtahPoogI would say it’s more likely since no one drives the same car for long that they don’t have time like a normal owner to get used to it. It’s the same thing with Mazda’s rotary knob. It’s pretty superior in use once you get over the learning curve which these guys who drive a new vehicle every other day never get to like a real owner.

[@seanmason4036]

I just traded my 19 Rabbit Edition for a 24 380 S. I've had zero issues issues with the infotainment. Bought a AA wireless dongle and it all works great. Within 24 hours I swapped out the shift knob. Agree that not having keyless entry, but having keyless start was idiotic. Other than that, it's just a better car than the mk7 and I owned the best mk7 trim.

[@chrispeveler1578]

What kind of shift knob did you get?

[@Wasabi9111]

Why don’t ppl buy these anymore? I remember they used to be so popular and I wanted one myself. But I totally forgot it even existed. I just checked the US sales figures and Golf sales dropped from a hi of 69k in 2017 to 6.5k-11k in the last several years. I guess a horrible infotainment could drastically zap interest.

[@jondiaz3475]

Alltrack wagon models were discontinued, which probably got counted as part of Golf sales. Prices shot way up for the Mark 8 as well.....a $27k car in midrange trim in 2017 is now $36-40k.

[@HarryTwatter]

Only the gti is sold in the US now and it's pretty expensive

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

S. U. V😂

[@SoichiroSan]

@@HarryTwatter When you consider the average price of a new vehicle, the GTI is almost reasonable.

[@leospaceman2976]

@@Pamlicojdjdj1487CUV

[@bryb2644]

I had a golf V gti. Great car, but I just feel like the car needs a new look.