W.A.Mozart :: Rondo Alla Turca (Turkish March) KV 331 :: Wim Winters, Clavichord

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W.A.Mozart :: Rondo Alla Turca (Turkish March) KV 331 :: Wim Winters, Clavichord
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Although the clavichord as we use it in this recording, is strongly connected to the circles around Bach, and in the case of this instrument, may be even more to those of the children of Bach and the forthcoming tradition, this type of instrument was known and used in Vienna also. There we see the pianoforte gaining ground from the 1780's on (only from then!), but the other instruments as the harpsichord and also the clavichord, remained present in the daily lives of musicians and composers. We'll come back to that aspect.
Mozart's father, Leopold, sold clavichords built by Friederici, and was in regular correspondence with his son about these instruments. When Wolfgang was in Paris in 1778, one of the possible dates and places for this composition (it is not sure when it was composed exactly), Leopold advised his son to look as soon as possible for a good clavichord, in order not to spoil his touch on the harpsichord or pianoforte. If, however, Mozart was able to find one in France, where the clavichord was rather not known, is, to my knowledge, not documented. Interesting quote, nevertheless.
This sonata, according to the NMA, written in 1783 (and not 1778 in Paris as was long-time thought), is one of his large, difficult sonata's. it's form is very sonata-unlike, replacing the 'normal' first movement by variations, enlarging the minuet to a composition on its own (for which he could have got inspirations from the work of the Parish composer Schobert) , and ending with a rondo, the famous Turkish march.
The rondo Alla Turca, is often played very fast. The notation however (Allegretto with 2/4) points towards a tempo that is elegant, rather than hasty. Moreover, the original dance of these Turkish Military band (the Janissary bands), is very static, and can be applied almost 1 to 1 to this composition.

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@arifakyuz7673
@arifakyuz7673 3 жыл бұрын
Most modern players’ interpretations feels like eating at a fancy restaurant, whereas this guys interpretation deals like eating kebab in by the Blue Mosque in Istanbul.
@caesarsneezer6992
@caesarsneezer6992 3 жыл бұрын
Their baked alaska is to die for!!
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 2 жыл бұрын
Which is likely what the composers of these pieces intended for them to sound like. The sort of “fanciness” of this style of music is relatively new.
@archkull
@archkull 2 жыл бұрын
Özlettin haha
@alexandero9936
@alexandero9936 2 жыл бұрын
As it should be.
@comtaar2245
@comtaar2245 2 жыл бұрын
To really be ‘conversing’ with the audience in the salon Wim would have to be turned slightly towards his audience while playing. Not sure if this was done at the clavichord though, or only at later instruments.
@MichaelTroyPianist
@MichaelTroyPianist 4 жыл бұрын
I never thought this piece sounded "Turkish"... Until now.☺️👍🏼
@carlosg3799
@carlosg3799 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds turkish on piano as well. Its tempo is just too fast cause You know....Mozart's a genius. It most definitely sounds arabian or something if its slowed.
@IsraelMedrano
@IsraelMedrano 3 жыл бұрын
@@carlosg3799 this is the speed mozart intended this piece to be played at, that's why it's called a march. Nobody can march to the other interpretations, they are too fast. Watch his other video on it he explains the rhythms of a traditional Turkish march. Once you understand it, there is no other way to listen to this masterpiece than this one.
@tjhooker824
@tjhooker824 3 жыл бұрын
This performer seems like the kind of guy who did his homework before recording this. He’s playing it as a performer AND a scholar. Mozart was a genius. My favorite is still Bach tho.
@dozie85
@dozie85 2 жыл бұрын
@@IsraelMedrano actually it’s just called rondo alla turca. I think the march label came later after Mozart
@Dalpy
@Dalpy Жыл бұрын
@@dozie85 yeah but the movement its inspired by the traditional marchs of Turkey
@burakunsal4501
@burakunsal4501 5 жыл бұрын
Mr. Winters I am a native Turk and I can confidently say that the short figuration is so much more in tune with the Turkish character I was actually shocked when I first heard you just continue to amaze me, what a change in character with just a single change of playing. I mean I can almost hear this piece played with traditional Turkish instruments in the palace.
@RPM1776
@RPM1776 4 жыл бұрын
Burak Ünsal yea. This sounds like a march played by the Mehter during the siege of Vienna now
@casrifay
@casrifay 4 жыл бұрын
It enhances Mozart’s geniality even more by catching “ Turkish spirit “
@salvacv7554
@salvacv7554 4 жыл бұрын
2:02 to 2:29 imagine I was hearing a traditional turkish piece . Amazing!
@solid_kerim3202
@solid_kerim3202 4 жыл бұрын
Birader tek türk biziz galiba kusuruma bakma yeni gördüm yorumunu
@TrLordGaming
@TrLordGaming 4 жыл бұрын
@@solid_kerim3202 :D
@robertm2000
@robertm2000 6 жыл бұрын
I'll be blunt - my first reaction was "So THAT"S what the darn thing is supposed to sound like!"
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
love it :-) !
@Randysilent
@Randysilent 5 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly! Most people play it so bad on the piano, usually too fast, and it sounds nothing like a turkish march, this was perfect.
@johncotter1600
@johncotter1600 5 жыл бұрын
My first reaction as well. I said wow! That sounds much better. It sounds right. The sound and character are honestly mesmerizing.
@dnc_9233
@dnc_9233 5 жыл бұрын
Same here :D
@SinanAkkoyun
@SinanAkkoyun 5 жыл бұрын
@@AuthenticSound Is it really how it's "supposed" to be?
@bartwentink2189
@bartwentink2189 9 ай бұрын
It sounds even more Turkish when played using a Turkish stop, a pedal missing from modern pianos which caused all the keys to be struck at once. Historically informed performances of this piece are hard to come by.
@vesteel
@vesteel 7 жыл бұрын
This is the best rendition i've ever heard
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@Archiekunst
@Archiekunst 7 жыл бұрын
Indeed! I second it. Truly 'authentic'!
@me-co5bn
@me-co5bn 4 жыл бұрын
Very true. It's the best!
@comtaar2245
@comtaar2245 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I like it. The really fast ones are terrible and I find they make no sense with a march. Nor with what you see on the score.
@eppiehemsley6556
@eppiehemsley6556 Жыл бұрын
Gould's is my favorite on pianoforte.
@nicholasbartulovic6221
@nicholasbartulovic6221 4 жыл бұрын
Glenn Gould did the same tempo for this and people consistently criticise him for never knowing how to play Mozart.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 4 жыл бұрын
Gould was a genius
@nicholasbartulovic6221
@nicholasbartulovic6221 4 жыл бұрын
@@AuthenticSound Agreed. I believe his disdain for Mozart was borne out of how Mozart was played in the mid-20th century, more as museum pieces, crystalline and prosaic. Given his recent liberation through historical research, I feel Gould would be singing a different tune today. Looking at his performances of Mozart 24 and his other minor works, you can tell Gould saw something there.
@rhfactor2106
@rhfactor2106 3 жыл бұрын
AuthenticSound is it because of his choice of tempi?
@JimmyBmusic1
@JimmyBmusic1 3 жыл бұрын
They were wrong
@salvat3735
@salvat3735 3 жыл бұрын
@George Fredric Handel ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@jelt110
@jelt110 4 жыл бұрын
True artists make the timing their own. Mozart would kiss you on both cheeks, with a tear in his eye. Your patience is inspirational, and i love hearing your breath as you put your spirit into this recording. Godspeed
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 4 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for the nice words!
@TheMadisonHang
@TheMadisonHang 6 жыл бұрын
that was a wicked page turn lololol lmao @2:45 love it all
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@eolink
@eolink 3 жыл бұрын
lol, lmao
@tackontitan
@tackontitan Жыл бұрын
Something about the sound of a clavichord really brings out the authentic Turkish sounds
@doyoulikedags3534
@doyoulikedags3534 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought that this sounded nothing like a march. Now, I realize that I'd never heard anyone play it right....
@ravengotica7493
@ravengotica7493 2 жыл бұрын
I know right? Usually everybody plays it super fast. That’s why I try playing it at a slower tempo as well.
@efim_061
@efim_061 2 жыл бұрын
Well, everybody play it at their sheets tempo, I think the sheets are bad.
@duckbear1892
@duckbear1892 2 жыл бұрын
What? It is for the piano
@potats1770
@potats1770 Жыл бұрын
@@duckbear1892 turkish march was written when there were no pianos, only harpsichords
@duckbear1892
@duckbear1892 Жыл бұрын
@@potats1770 No, turkish march is from 1783, the first piano was invented almost a century prior to that. Besides, turkish march is the final movement of a piano sonata.
@heribertocastro6652
@heribertocastro6652 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve never realized that I and many others have been playing this wrong with the incorrect tempo. I never once thought that this march I was playing was too fast. And I’m in band. I should know about marches HAHA XD. Thanks for showing me and many others your interpretation. It puts the whole piece in a totally different light.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@xiaoxiaosu1573
@xiaoxiaosu1573 4 жыл бұрын
Szép
@aleksandarignjatovic3130
@aleksandarignjatovic3130 2 ай бұрын
I have included this version into my top 12 best classicals ever list
@theskoomacat7849
@theskoomacat7849 6 жыл бұрын
Even though we have evidence that the long appogiatura was historically more accurate, I don't think one cannot deny that the short one fits the Turkish character of the piece much more. I think historically informed practice isn't about figuring out what the notation exactly meant, but to figure the character of the piece out as it was understood back then. I don't think scores were written back then to exactly tell another play what to play, otherwise music notation would have undergone a much more radically fast evolution. Rather, it was presupposed that the character of the piece be understood because of historical context, and that is the duty of the historical performer, to figure that out. In short: the character of the piece was meant to imitate Turkish music, then why not play it as one? I think we have all the reasons to do so. Opinion?
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
This indeed is a tricky one. I like that appo very much like I played it here years ago. Notation: ornaments were in constant progress which makes it hard for all to exactly nail down what the composer wanted; But overall, they were very precise in noting down what they wanted in a way that others would not have difficulties to understand the original meaning; Notation was embedded in a very strong tradition, something we completely lost and did not recover much since our HIP movement started. Finally, once performing, we must forget about everything, I made a video on that recently : kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2LPpY2ortmloqM
@MrAzureJames
@MrAzureJames 6 жыл бұрын
I like this version more and think it sounds more Turkish. I never knew about the argument about appociatura until recently.
@coopereltinrhgma1405
@coopereltinrhgma1405 6 жыл бұрын
It isn’t supposed to have that appociatura, the old appociatiatura had a line going through the note so we think it is the appociatura but it is actually just a 16th note
@MrAzureJames
@MrAzureJames 6 жыл бұрын
But why wouldn't he use normal 16th notes if they were supposed to be played exactly as the other notes? If I compose, I'll use normal notes unless I want a different effect.
@Ekvitarius
@Ekvitarius 6 жыл бұрын
Azure James that’s what later editions did. Who knows why they did this, other than tradition. Appogaturas were often written like grace notes but the performer was expected hold them for half the value of the main note (or even longer). This was only used with appogaturas, as far as I know. In Francesco Barsanti’s Collection of Old Scots Tunes, in the song Cumbernauld House, he notates a normal run of 4 sixteenth notes, and not but 2 beats later, writes the same rhythm as appogatura-eighth-sixteenth-sixteenth because there the beginning note is an appogatura. I have heard the piece played with figure played both long and short, and they both sound absolutely fine to me. I suppose in those days they just understood certain nonharmonic devices as special and therefore notated them differently. But since in those days people cared less about the wishes of the composer and focused more on individuality of performance, they may not have thought as much about how the text would be realized.
@nathanbeler4874
@nathanbeler4874 4 жыл бұрын
Right instrument, right tempo that is just perfect 👌
@millennial8441
@millennial8441 5 жыл бұрын
Better than all fast versions played by crazy pianists. Pianists tend to play Mozart's Rondo Alla Turca with too much legato and so hurried up I cannot listen to musical phrasing. Wim's interpretation is enlightened, fairy, with no hurry. It seems I am listening to "Turkish" drums playing along the clavichord. Is brilliant and lively! Congrats.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Lucas! a few episodes on the A la turca is planned for soon (or September)
@CapitanAdHominem
@CapitanAdHominem 4 ай бұрын
El rondo no es lento
@satyrspiel4136
@satyrspiel4136 5 жыл бұрын
This just makes much more sense than any earlier version I heard!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 5 жыл бұрын
thank you
@islaadele1212
@islaadele1212 Жыл бұрын
Wow, this piece has so much more character and texture on the Clavichord. Amazing!
@hassansoliman970
@hassansoliman970 5 жыл бұрын
Why do the pieces you play on the clavichord ALWAYS MAKE SOOO MUCH MORE SENSE than on the modern piano???!!
@gasun1274
@gasun1274 2 жыл бұрын
because those pieces WERE written for the clavichord/harpsichord
@TheMaximumLikelihood
@TheMaximumLikelihood 2 жыл бұрын
Today i've had the chance to play multiple instruments in a museum in front of a small audience. One of these instruments was a clavichord from 1748. An old bitter guy criticized me afterwards for choosing Mozarts Turkish March for the clavichord. I would really like to show him your video as evidence, how well suited the instrument is :)
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 2 жыл бұрын
congratulations with your concert! the classical music world would be so amazing if we just again embraced the idea of communication of beauty again and ... simply enjoy each other's interpretation and message!
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
Was it, by chance, in a post office in the Twin Cities, Minnesota? Because I’ve visited there and there was a historic musical instrument museum inside.
@MoonbaseEagle1
@MoonbaseEagle1 5 жыл бұрын
Suddenly, for the first time, I understand this piece.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 5 жыл бұрын
great to read!
@martyREq2
@martyREq2 5 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that this slower played version and with this instrument is really really excellent. I think best one I've heard on KZbin.
@robertharrington7560
@robertharrington7560 4 жыл бұрын
My first thought was it begins with a wrong note. But I now understand. It really is so much more Turkish in character. Someone somewhere “forgot” to play the notes as written. But Mozart wouldn’t have written them that way if that was not what he’d intended. Bravo, sir.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 2 жыл бұрын
It was actually common practice to improvise on others’ music back then, so the music was more so a suggestion than anything else. Turkish music was actually popular enough to have piano manufacturers back in those days outfit their pianos with percussion attachments to allow players to integrate percussive sounds into their music.
@MARTIN201199
@MARTIN201199 4 жыл бұрын
Clavichord: A guitar who came out to be a piano.
@melzlink4100
@melzlink4100 3 жыл бұрын
wut? it has a relativly similar mechanism to the piano. At least more similar than to the harpsichord lol.
@hateisasignofenvy651
@hateisasignofenvy651 3 жыл бұрын
A "Guitano"
@melzlink4100
@melzlink4100 3 жыл бұрын
@Manu Petaia I would have unterstanded his comment if it was a harpsichord.
@melzlink4100
@melzlink4100 3 жыл бұрын
@Manu Petaia Yeah, i'm planning on getting one.
@huynhdanny4623
@huynhdanny4623 3 жыл бұрын
You know that this instrument came about before the guitar, right?
@kingjensen8091
@kingjensen8091 4 жыл бұрын
I usually think this channel plays classical music too slowly, but this piece in particular sounds so amazing at this tempo.
@andrewsilver7048
@andrewsilver7048 6 жыл бұрын
The tempo actually makes sense to me. I’ve always found this piece to be a little “unfitting” at the typical speed it’s played, especially with the chords in the left hand that seemed to lack duration. A lot of my own improvisational ideas came from the chords (still unsure of a proper name) near the end of the piece. I thought it never quite captured the resonance of the lower bass notes when you run up them. Lovely performance.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. Silver, great to read!
@mauriciojimenez98
@mauriciojimenez98 2 жыл бұрын
Estaba viendo Justo eso, las partituras dicen Allegreto y la mayoría las toca en allegro, se aprecia diferente.
@erick-gd7wo
@erick-gd7wo 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing the elegance of the Classicism, particularly Mozart. Back at my Conservatiry years, i was tought to play Mozart in a more moderate tempo, not too fast but not too slow.
@trojanette8345
@trojanette8345 5 жыл бұрын
What a treat!! I've seen a few of your videos but NEVER have I seen you play a song through and through. Thank you for sharing.
@TheBrokenConsort
@TheBrokenConsort 8 жыл бұрын
Beautifully played (and with the right appoggiaturas)!.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 жыл бұрын
+The Broken Consort thank you for letting me know!
@Archiekunst
@Archiekunst 7 жыл бұрын
Wim, I've always wondered, why DO pianists play the appoggiaturas as four consecutive 16th notes instead of as you play? It's not just the rondo. It's in piano concertos, variations everywhere.
@emefcue
@emefcue 6 жыл бұрын
YESS. perhaps it is easier???
@TonyBittner-Collins
@TonyBittner-Collins 6 жыл бұрын
Behrad The Broken Consort isn't saying the opposite and I don't think they need to study music history since they're an early music ensemble. 🙄
@VitoOnYoutube
@VitoOnYoutube 5 жыл бұрын
It's just the ignorance of the players. Even the very famous ones.
@otakugaming5959
@otakugaming5959 5 жыл бұрын
Smack to the Left smack to the right Smack to the left to the right to the left
@MARTIN201199
@MARTIN201199 4 жыл бұрын
ML God good one
@krishnaswainpiano4129
@krishnaswainpiano4129 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t unhear it now. It’s too late.
@Tore_Lund
@Tore_Lund 4 жыл бұрын
@@krishnaswainpiano4129 Here is the soultion, Play it in A major and all the Bs as B♭: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3_XioyrjK5_hKc
@Jessica-si5wo
@Jessica-si5wo 3 жыл бұрын
Mozart himself would laugh at this comment and appreciated it
@Dream-kg8yf
@Dream-kg8yf 7 жыл бұрын
This slow version gives me new feeling!!!!And it sounds very beautiful and elegant while it is played slowly .
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Esther !
@Ckomon
@Ckomon 3 жыл бұрын
The best rendition of Rondo Alla Turca on YT!
@ukaszk.8305
@ukaszk.8305 3 жыл бұрын
Your short appoggiaturas combined with the tone of the instrument gave me goosebumps. What a ravishing listening experience! I could march to this music and wouldn't stop for as long as it played
@clivegoodman16
@clivegoodman16 6 жыл бұрын
It sounds much better than the standard interpretation. It is actually an allegretto rather than a presto vivace and it appears to follow the notation more accurately. Also I think that the clavichord tone sounds better than the modern piano tone. I wonder whether you will play the whole sonata like this.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Clive, glad you liked this! The whole sonata is online as well, I guess you'll find a link in the video, or just search on my channel for the kv number. I'm planning a revisit for this rondo, it works great with a long appog. as well (which probably is more in line with what Mozart might have wanted - the matter of appog. is not easy)
@kefaad
@kefaad 10 жыл бұрын
Fine instrument! The piece sounds lovely on this clavichord. Nice performance too.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@TheMadisonHang
@TheMadisonHang 6 жыл бұрын
it is a march after all... can't really march to how fast those really good fact pianists play it lol that'd be a really fast like a bunch of ants high speed how they play is good to but i do appreciate this too
@linggwenniequin2644
@linggwenniequin2644 5 жыл бұрын
Mr Peco I love the speed he plays this. I can't do it fast when i play it. When I try going lets say Lang Lang speed, I end up mashing everything up tohmgether and it sounds like dying cats.
@williammauldin4548
@williammauldin4548 6 жыл бұрын
This piece has high sentimental memories for me. I love the sound of the clavichord. I also love this arrangement.
@nelsonspecchia
@nelsonspecchia 5 жыл бұрын
Bravo! A ese tempo es mucho más "turca" que con la velocidad que la tocamos hoy!
@emilgilels
@emilgilels Жыл бұрын
A delightful performance, very much enhanced by the sound of the Clavichord. And the playing of the 'grace note' on first 1/8 note of the main theme (rather than as two even 1/16ths) is highly effective. Mozart was telling us to play it that way all along, but almost nobody seemed to notice! I'll point out that Wim is a veritable speed demon with his tempo here - compared to the slightly slower Gould version. ;-p
@teodorcroitoru0
@teodorcroitoru0 6 ай бұрын
I wish this was Spotify so I could listen to it on repeat!
@multilingo
@multilingo 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like he's rocking an 8 bit synth. Sounds awesome!
@NellieKAdaba
@NellieKAdaba 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@mimiche335
@mimiche335 4 жыл бұрын
It's more touching than with a piano... and I love this speed. Very classy.
@enzocypriani5055
@enzocypriani5055 7 жыл бұрын
what a difference the correct appoggiaturas make!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 жыл бұрын
Ornamentation in general has a huge impact.
@tjhooker824
@tjhooker824 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man is that raw and crunchy sounding. Beautiful. Nothing else like it. Great piece too. The instrument brings out its true sound.
@alvarito45
@alvarito45 4 жыл бұрын
Those "appogiature" mark a long distance among any other version!! Super excellent Wim. Thank you!!
@divinodayacap3313
@divinodayacap3313 3 жыл бұрын
5 minutes of Alla Turca! LOVE IT!
@dariusselencus8515
@dariusselencus8515 4 жыл бұрын
awsome! Thank you for bringing new notes to my attention. I never 'heard' that much right handply.
@mayganphynix8267
@mayganphynix8267 2 жыл бұрын
I've never heard of the clavichord before. it sounds like a mix between a harpsichord and a guitar. I like it. 🙂 very well done!
@NellieKAdaba
@NellieKAdaba 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was the same as harpsichord, they sound similar.
@arjenbij
@arjenbij 2 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to this recording! Nice job Wim! Groetjes.
@MontagTheMagician
@MontagTheMagician 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, sounds so much better than all those thousands of recordings we've all heard on a grand Steinway piano.
@annaruyer4681
@annaruyer4681 4 жыл бұрын
The Clavichord got some good sound, Wim Thank you
@florarimar1546
@florarimar1546 3 жыл бұрын
Praise the Lord, finally someone said that playing it faster than how it was written is not too great. It makes me happy. Thank you!
@StopFear
@StopFear 5 жыл бұрын
It is funny to see comments where people say that there is more “Turkish character” in this performance. It’s as if people were thinking that the player was just thinking “hmmm how to put ‘Turkish character’ into this play?” The music is good on its own regardless what it’s called or what “character” it might have
@MARTIN201199
@MARTIN201199 4 жыл бұрын
StopFear you don’t have “character”. Haha. Just kidding
@johnjonson7815
@johnjonson7815 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! When I was playing this the first time, more than 40 years ago, before my piano teacher corrected me, I've played it similar like you. Than she said: "No, no, no, Mozart meant, the 'Vorschlag' has to be played as a 16th note!" And all over this years, I'm asking myself, why Mozart don't wrote 4 16th notes?! So happy to see, I'm not the only one! (Hard to explain it in english, sorry, I hope you understand what I mean! - 'Wolferl' Mozart could not speak english. :-))
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John! The appog. are a very interesting study case and to be honest, I think that the 18th c. practice might have indeed be just to play 4 16ths, I'll be making a short series on the ala turca in September or so. So here at that time I simply was following the general HIP rule, afterwards studied myself the issue. Again it's not easy, here is an older video that might interest you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnKkloaKqtyfrKc
@MARTIN201199
@MARTIN201199 4 жыл бұрын
I was tonight that the first note was written as an apoggiatura because it was not part of the chord, that made sense to me.
@yoshi_drinks_tea
@yoshi_drinks_tea 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Gould’s interpretation
@thomashogan16
@thomashogan16 3 жыл бұрын
Oh! That's exactly what this should sound like! I'm shocked with joy.
@hardmuscl4life
@hardmuscl4life 3 жыл бұрын
You just earned a new subscriber with that marvelous performance. Your tempos and ornaments were spot on and, in my opinion, fit the writing better than any other performance I’ve ever heard. I will admit, when you began I was thinking to myself, what on earth is up with ‘those’ ornaments...? Well, they perfectly fit the writing and style of the piece. None of us can be one hundred percent sure we are reflecting the composer’s intentions but I believe your scholarly analysis and performance practice to be closer than any other I’ve ever heard. Well done Sir.
@SoggySandwich80
@SoggySandwich80 3 жыл бұрын
Refreshing from the 10000 bpm piano prodigy versions of this. It actually sounds good for once
@_juan.joao_
@_juan.joao_ Жыл бұрын
Excellent version, very close I think to how should have sounded in the 1780s. Most pianists play it way too fast
@orion8835
@orion8835 3 жыл бұрын
This piece played slower on clavichord is fascinating and creates an entirely different mood. It’s less opulent of course. And less fast. It’s crunchy, intimate and more like a guitar playing this piece due to the instrument here.
@ranna.
@ranna. 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for playing at enjoyable speed (Tempo), god bless
@XENIAMedicinaEstetica
@XENIAMedicinaEstetica 6 жыл бұрын
Me encanto esta version! La llevo escuchando varias veces. Es distinta de verdad! Ya me canse de lo que se conoce como la tradicional forma de interpretarla. Me.encanto felicidades. Voy a imitarte. Saludos desde Argentina
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening!
@trentclarkleipert3614
@trentclarkleipert3614 3 жыл бұрын
I've never heard this on a clavichord before and with that ornamentation, made me hear this piece in a totally new way, thank you
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@resurgem
@resurgem 2 жыл бұрын
A bit late to the party, i love this rendition. As others have said it is a revelation to hear it played in this way but brings it to life. i thoroughly enjoyed it.
@akselsaarinen3990
@akselsaarinen3990 2 жыл бұрын
The slow like this is the correct way in my opinion too. Have you heard Glenn Gould play it on piano?
@ustadspencertracy7195
@ustadspencertracy7195 5 жыл бұрын
If you are interested in a more authentic tempo on the subject of "alla turca", I advise you to take further examination on Turkish Classical Type of rhythm we call "usul". You can find interesting ideas in your tempo worth listening.
@pentirah5282
@pentirah5282 3 жыл бұрын
I remember learning somewhere that Mozart once played this work on an instrument that was equipt with drums and various 'bells and whistles.' I can imaging performing the work in Turkish style and correct tempo would have been manageable on such an instrument. I often wondered how Mozart would have managed it at the present day popular tempo! It sounds very authentic to me. Thank you.
@lavendelle_swift
@lavendelle_swift 6 жыл бұрын
Love this interpretation. Very historical style. Like the grace notes. ❤
@fritzmoy101
@fritzmoy101 6 жыл бұрын
I remember learning about this instrument in school. However I forgot the name of it, been trying to find it for months now, then I accidently stumbled upon your videos and finally I found it, couldn't be more happy.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Great to read and welcome here!
@unosbruhmomentos799
@unosbruhmomentos799 Жыл бұрын
You play with such precision and confidence! Amazing interpretation!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound Жыл бұрын
thanks!
@timothydewa9096
@timothydewa9096 4 жыл бұрын
Whow, ya in mind I imagine the original piece Wolfgang's wrote supposed to be sounding like this in 1700s era where Clavi is still a common instrument to play not long before piano was invented. I understand now why Mozart's fingers could have full grasp of chord/bass note, the size of keyboard itself a bit smaller than nowadays piano. Good Job, Sir 🤗
@SubliminalSoundEngine9
@SubliminalSoundEngine9 9 жыл бұрын
Beautiful arrangement, Wim. Bravo!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 9 жыл бұрын
Subliminal Sound Engine Official thanks for the compliment, and for your subscription! w.
@emrekesiciler4410
@emrekesiciler4410 3 жыл бұрын
I have listened many times over and over i love it! 😍
@insidioussam449
@insidioussam449 9 жыл бұрын
I'm listening to this while I'm reading my leatherbound copy of Sherlock Holmes and drinking tea, so I feel really fancy right now. Great playing by the way, I wish I could play harpsichord.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Isidious Sam, Mozart and Sherlock Holmes (that I know quite well)! Nice to know that you had a good time with "my" Mozart! all best, Wim
@joeroganofficial5433
@joeroganofficial5433 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry but it’s clavichord
@linggwenniequin2644
@linggwenniequin2644 5 жыл бұрын
Insidious Sam Can you play the piano? If you can, you can surley play this
@susfranzliszt
@susfranzliszt 5 жыл бұрын
It's the same thing as a piano.
@susfranzliszt
@susfranzliszt 5 жыл бұрын
AuthenticSound is ur clavichord tuned cause you hit an a and it sounds like a g#
@haoweidu2437
@haoweidu2437 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your interpretation. One of my professor has told me the exactly the same thoughts as you played in this video! 🤩🤩😍😍
@gloriaathanasatos5117
@gloriaathanasatos5117 6 жыл бұрын
I have listened many times over and over i love it!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@EliaACalderan
@EliaACalderan 6 жыл бұрын
I've just discovered your channel, and it is a pleasure to listen to your performance and to discover that I'm not the only one to play this piece in this way, althought when I was young I learnt it in the "classical" way, i.e. as a small bravura piece. First and foremost the short appoggiatura/acciaccatura gives more character to the piece, secondly the slower tempo emphasizes the "marchy-ness" and the rythm of the piece (it is a Turkish March, not a Turkish Charge). Some years ago i've threwn away also what they thaught me about the "Das wohltemperierte Klavier - Buch I Prelude II", with slow tempo is more grave and it is more in constrast with the first prelude of the book; I think they need to be intended as opposites, since they open the book (even the fugues are the antithesis of each other, legato vs. staccato). I find your channel really informative, many thanks for what you're doing!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Great to read Elia!
@onlinetheory5115
@onlinetheory5115 8 жыл бұрын
I really liked your interpretation for the grace notes in the 'A' section. It's a nice contrast to the normal way of playing it. The clavichord definitely adds to it as well. Great Job!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Gowans Thanks, glad you liked it!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel, a perhaps somewhat unexpected reply to this nice quote you were so kind to leave on my channel. The reason is this: I am working on the production of 3 CD's to celebrate my music recording n°100 for Authentic Sound on KZbin. Along with that, will be published an e-book (available in hard copy too), where I very much would like to feature you, with this (and maybe some other) beautiful quotes. Like this, this publication will become something of the entire "community" so to say, something that would be a wonderful and maybe somewhat symbolic achievement of all of us. Without reactions and interactions like yours, I would never have had the energy to come where we are now... So thank you again for being part of this. Please do not hesitate to write me if you prefer not to be featured in the book with this quote. Of course, that would be no problem to me (although I'd like to have it very much :-) ). In case you haven't seen the latest update on this project that should be released December 1, 2016, here is the latest update link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3eViZ6Ep6x5ZqM Take care and thank you again! Wim P.S. I would like to excuse me in advance in case you would receive this same message again for another reply on another video... or if you have sent in a personal note for this project. I will connect all of these at the end... but for now, it is so overwhelming to go through all the reactions, that it is impossible for me to remember who I already has asked permission...
@onlinetheory5115
@onlinetheory5115 7 жыл бұрын
By all means! Good luck! Again, really enjoyed hearing it!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your enthusiastic reply!
@EM-km8em
@EM-km8em 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@christianlicheclarken2479
@christianlicheclarken2479 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing playing!
@violjohn
@violjohn 3 ай бұрын
Bravo! This is so convincing!
@ErayAltin
@ErayAltin 6 жыл бұрын
I think you have the right to take the freedom to play the way you want. I totally respect the performer's right on interpreting the written score. On the other hand, people claiming in the comments section that this is a more accurate playing of the appoggiaturi, I disagree with you. An appoggiatura (without slash) and a slashed grace note are two different things. Here, these notes are written in form of appoggiatura not because they are to be played as short grace notes but because they are dissonant non-chord tones coming on the strong beat. In this case, they are notated without a slash and they are normally played with their full duration, stealing time from the following long chord tone.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Eray, I'm totally with you here, the recording is made almost 4 years ago, and although it is very much in fashion in Early Music to play all such appo's short, it is hard to support that from the """sources""". This a la turca is planned for a rerecording, with long appo. In this particular case however, it does work so nicely...
@klop4228
@klop4228 6 жыл бұрын
I don't know of any examples of slashed grace notes before the Romantic Era, so is it possible that there is in fact no difference in notation before then? Perhaps you (or someone else) can direct me to an example (from an 'accurate' edition, as well, not a mid-20th-century one with articulations and dynamics all over the place).
@dboyen
@dboyen 5 жыл бұрын
AuthenticSound x
@AnaArOes
@AnaArOes 4 жыл бұрын
Very beautiful. Thank you
@achaley4186
@achaley4186 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Delightful! 🙏🏼❤️😊
@srice8161
@srice8161 4 жыл бұрын
You are great! Thank you.
@ramintasukyte9318
@ramintasukyte9318 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice,original and interrsting performance.Thank You
@michaelgcomposer
@michaelgcomposer Жыл бұрын
This video is so cool!!!!! Thank you!! Really awesome!! 🤩
@davidemarengo8983
@davidemarengo8983 11 ай бұрын
Why do you play the acciaccatura instead of an appoggiatura? I can't find the original manuscript, but in every notation I see, it's written as an appoggiatura.
@wedemeyerr
@wedemeyerr 2 жыл бұрын
Ich liebe den Klang dieser beinahe vergessenen Instrumente. Wie eine kleine Zeitreise! Danke Herr Winters!!! Viele Grüße aus Leipzig!
@beechillin565
@beechillin565 6 жыл бұрын
Unique interpretation. I love it.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Bee !
@Danlovar
@Danlovar 5 жыл бұрын
2:48 page turning has no age.
@michaelruzal3522
@michaelruzal3522 3 жыл бұрын
It is on point too
@YANAGITAtokinori
@YANAGITAtokinori 7 жыл бұрын
This piece hear like wrote for Clavichord.
@Ekvitarius
@Ekvitarius 6 жыл бұрын
Mozart did much of his composition at the clavichord.
@IsraelSanchezPiano
@IsraelSanchezPiano 4 жыл бұрын
Woow. The articulation and phrasing at 1:32 is wonderful. Delicious as a Turkish Delight with Rose and Pistachio
@venta004
@venta004 3 жыл бұрын
Wow... that’s pretty good. I love your interpretation on the clavichord.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@jiromarc7873
@jiromarc7873 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds very interesting ☺️ I loved it
@TheFlamingPiano
@TheFlamingPiano 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds real good here! Haven't heard the grace note played that fast for this piece before. Normally it's half the note value of the next note. What tuning and temperament did you use? Also, did you play this with pedal?
@pasillo5
@pasillo5 6 жыл бұрын
beautifull clavicord playing, ive really wanted to listen this i love you
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Julian !
@juliohenriquemagriniwinkel4068
@juliohenriquemagriniwinkel4068 3 жыл бұрын
Now this is the authentic sound!
@edwardhackney9136
@edwardhackney9136 6 жыл бұрын
Go! Just great!! Thank you.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening!
@ps.quiroz
@ps.quiroz 9 жыл бұрын
Woooow is the best interpretation I've heard in my short and miserable life...
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Wim
@brunofernandes7084
@brunofernandes7084 5 жыл бұрын
O som é muito lindo. Parabéns ao intérprete🎼
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