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Will DiаbІо 4 FAIL because Blizzard devs have NO CLUE about DiаbІо 2!?
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[@Smoothoperator12]

D2 players: "diablo 4 is so repetitive" Also D2 players:"watch me do 1000 Mephisto runs"

[@Charmander_R27]

What he didn't really articulate, was that D4 is repetitive even while simply playing through the campaign. D2 gets repetitive in the end-game, sure, but it doesn't really feel that way just playing through the story like D4 does due to the dungeons. Sure you can skip the dungeons to some extent, but it doesn't feel that way since they're often the subject of the side quests. I'm not a D4 hater, but so far it feels like mostly a D3 clone (and I loved D3 so its fine).

[@BadEnd98]

​@@Charmander_R27 true, I had so much fun and struggle before I get to the endgame contents where it get repetitive grinds

[@kevinmcgraw7543]

Idk, D2 act 3 is an absolute slog to get through. I dread every second of it.

[@benjaminghazi787]

@@Charmander_R27 bro what the fuck are you talking about? It’s a few hours worth of campaign that is basically the same exact shit with a story and really doesn’t even have any “dungeons” it’s just the same boss rooms or tombs runs you go into with no actual randomness baked into it, it’s just a bunch of premade maps it cycles through that you can immediately tell where to go once you’ve played it a bit. Diablo II is unarguably the most repetitive stale arpg there is. It was amazing for its time but it’s long past that time and it’s trash compared to current days gaming. There is nothing special about the campaign and I would strongly argue as someone who absolutely HATES d3 that d3 campaign is way better than d2 campaign. And if you want to talk about d4 campaign well you haven’t even played it. You might have slammed the beta hard a few times of course it’s not gonna be exciting when you play the same 1 act 5+ times back to back within 2 days. The fuck? D2 shill logic is insane.

[@BadEnd98]

@@benjaminghazi787 and D4 there's even no randomness, just like D3 clone of run through hall ways with less crowded monsters, there are some interesting quests but the rest is basically you run a looong way to the objectives marked on map - like every modern game out there. D2 has it charm as somewhat like Dark Souls of ARPG, first time you play it, you can die every corner when you open a door in a dungeon, you don't know where to go beside the description on your quest that you need to look for on your own, because you have no hand-holding like modern ARPG - just like how Dark Souls still success despite being indifferent to other genres

[@AegisRick]

When he called D2 "The greatest game of all time" I kind of suspected that objectivity was already thrown out the window.

[@xxdevilx3]

It would have been better if he said it was the best the genre has to offer to this date.

[@MsSharondenadel]

It might not be the greatest game of all times, but it's the greatest diablo of all times for sure 🙂

[@pokemonfan2630]

No game has a larger percentage of its playerbase saying its the best of all time though lol, anyone who played like pre 2010 thinks its the best game of all time. Its an opinion like saying pineapple pizza is bad...technically its an opinion but uhhhh thats just gross.

[@Peter-qq3io]

It’s an objective fact though

[@mrborisak]

that's an objective statement

[@JeroenO129]

Some guy on his video said this: The reason Xtimus is not partnered with Blizzard is probably because he was banned for botting and RMT, then tried to cover everything up by banning everyone talking about it

[@mordekais3er]

who knows, knows

[@mataric1157]

Xtimus is not a good person. There's a lot of videos of him floating around from the D2 days... He's incredibly toxic, narcissistic and has a massive superiority complex. Hopefully he's changed over the years.. but the insinuations in this video really don't make it look like that. To give an example, people who helped set up and were mods on his discord server were banned because they 'weren't interested in getting involved with the drama he was starting with others'..

[@roriopm]

@@mataric1157 yeah he probably hasn't changed much, this guy is giving off MAJOR main player syndrome vibes here.

[@chriscomchi4042]

He’s not partnered with anyone as he bullied a fan into suicide… well documented

[@davebaldwin3220]

Oh RIP, its the next QuantumTV, I haven't heard such bad takes since.

[@DesignHen]

This is why I like Project Diablo 2. Updates every season: new items, new affixes, new endgame maps, new bosses, good trading system (recent). They also added 3Dfx, so the game runs in good resolution and 60 fps. There's a lot more to PD2 than just farming tombs/pits or whatever

[@nicashvin]

There are so many awsome mods since 2001 that really built on the base game around the time blizzard stopped creating any new meaningful content (1.10). There was a great private server called D2 Maniacs where Median mod was first hosted, along with many other amazing mods. PD2 and POD have just built on this baseline set by previous modders, but have done a great job of balancing the game further and giving great endgame content.

[@OlgaUnKolhozs]

I remember i played d2 mod called eastern sun and i still havent found better arpg

[@t.j.8388]

This dude’s nostalgia goggles are on so tight it’s cutting off circulation to his brain.

[@Crazybamby36]

😂😂😂

[@joshuaadkins9820]

@@Crazybamby36 I think the man has his brain removed before making this video.

[@limmel3588]

100%. Pointless video with glaring bias, to top it off with horrible examples and comparison.

[@Vell1981]

Like every D2 Neckbeard basically if they take the glasses off they probably die, or get a aneurysm in their Head.

[@SuperLotus]

I tried playing D2 resurrected and couldn't stand how tedious the inventory management was. I also played the Baldur's gate Dark alliance series recently and that's aged a lot better imo. I didn't play the original D2 so maybe I would have had a different experience with D2R if I had.

[@killengoth1450]

I think its wild when people say diablo 4 will be too repetitive and then proceed to do 600 mephisto runs or 200 pindle runs...i love diablo 2, and im excited for diablo 4. Rng can be a great thing but havin a real evolving endgame is bettee than farming all day to be able to kill bosses uve already killed, slightly faster.

[@killengoth1450]

@@francoisturgeon1176 its fun in its own way, but yea, super repetitive.

[@benjaminghazi787]

Then they’ll argue maps are randomly generated when they’re the same fuckin maps you’ve played 100000 times and can recognize them as soon as you step into the map and see which way it’s opening to

[@coolyoutubeluke]

Or the campagin three times, people are delusional defending D2 and casting opinions off a act 1 beta of D4

[@DDMSakb48]

@@benjaminghazi787 and they are backtracking af lol

[@slippers8000]

Kinda why i like PD2, running maps is more exciting of a way to farm items than 1 shot content after a few days of playing.

[@zachlake5897]

As someone who's favorite game is also Diablo 2. This guy was so hard to listen to. He's making D2 fans look crazy and stupid. I literally wanted to pull out my hair listening to him. On another note, much love to you Asmongold. You are the man.

[@carlosbraga4657]

In some moments i feel a gap between what he say and what he want reach

[@gwkeller]

@@PsiDebby Yo, I smell my own farts. B/c they're sterile & I like the taste.

[@coldchillin8382]

@@PsiDebby I actually said this during the first 3 minutes of the video especially when he said he was unique and unlike other D2 content creators.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

To be honest, D2 fans are crazy and stupid.. mostly cus they are fanatics. They are operating like a cult, Like FFXIV fanboys.

[@CatacombD]

@@ramonandrajo6348 Whatever, fanboy. XD

[@Cybuch87]

Hello. One note about level randomization in Diablo ( that is extremally old feature btw ): - fully randomized levels were already in Diablo 1 ( well, almost - that is from existing room layouts ) - Diablo 2 gets pseudo-randomized levels with predesigned themes, and actually this is more advanced feature that allows to keep better control over the theme of the level. Generally speaking, it is harder to make randomization that will keep specific pattern than full randomization :)

[@mystrdat]

I wouldn't call having a list of premade tilesets rolled randomly to connect to each other "fully randomized", besides it's called procedural not randomized.

[@Wysaw]

I remember each 'tile set' had the exits/mini dungeons etc in totally different places, but after doing runs for a while you could memorize which way to go just from the entrance location.

[@LegalizeMeth-kq1vu]

It’s kind of amazing how he was able to be so presumptive and wrong about his points while simultaneously not really making any points

[@db212006]

Just curious thought, what did Asmon say to persuade you any different. This guy spends his whole life playing arpg..and asmon plays them for a week max once or twice a year and claims to have knowledge of whats good for the game. If you side with Asmon, you side with a casual gamer that will only dumb down your game. The video is really preachy and over exaggerated BUT don't you dare listen to someone like Asmon and his opinion on any kind of ARPG. Watch him play POE, he's the biggest nub in the world. It's so cringey and he has no idea what the fuck he's doing.

[@Greg-if8es]

hilariously, too. with statements like "no sense of accomplishment" lmaooooo ok because farming a 0.00000245% drop rate is totally fun and rewarding! JK people just bought Ber runes for like $7.

[@LegalizeMeth-kq1vu]

@@db212006 sure here’s just 1: anyone who accuses the entire diablo team as essentially clout-chasing with nothing to support such an insane claim has lost the plot and is venting their emotions not constructing an argument from evidence

[@benjaminghazi787]

@@ramonandrajo6348 shaddup freak

[@benjaminghazi787]

@@MintBerryCrunch he just copy and pastes the same shot on every video and thread including the original videos comment sections. Literal autist

[@BigDaddyBeefBoy]

Here is the real reason- most of original Diablo 2 players are older (Gen X) and have watched what has happened to the video game industry over the past two decades. They have that baseline to compare, which makes things like Battle-passes, Microtransactions, Season-passes, mandatory online, account creating, and all the rest of the FOMO, money grubbing that much more disgusting and repelling.

[@goodrhythms5320]

Exactly that, but then i also earn good money and stopped to care about their greed. Im like: Meh, have it you needy sluts.

[@Neonlike0]

100%

[@meh2999]

thats not even what dude is primarily complaining about, hes got that diablo 2 purist brain rot and hates any mechanic that isn't directly brought over from diablo 2

[@Daralyndk]

those elements are disgusting, but that person definitely does not speak for all of us. I played ALL Diablo games... I played them a lot, now being 35 years old. And so far I like D4, I'm just level 21 now, but I like it. In all honestly I did not hated even D3 (tough some elements there were annoying as all hells too) I may not like those elements, but I have to either accept it or not play the game at all.

[@ge-8135]

THIS

[@Lethmyr_]

The reason Xtimus is not partnered with Blizzard is probably because he was banned for botting and RMT, then tried to cover everything up by banning everyone talking about it.

[@Stavroization]

@@Xtimus I think the point being made is you were banned for breaking the ToS. Then by being banned that would be grounds for not being promoted. There may be other reasons like you not being active for an extended period or your reach not being as large as some others but to imply as you did that you are only promoted if you are in blizzard's pocket is disingenuous.

[@stomper8056]

@@Xtimus Weren't you complaining that D4 is repetitive and D2 is always different? Now you are just grinding the same dungeon over and over and over in D2. All ARPGs are super repetitive. You complained about drops being boring and not exciting enough, but then complain that there is no trading for you to just buy whatever item you need without actually doing anything. I guess trading for things has more accomplishment to you huh.

[@Xtimus]

@@Stavroization it’s kinda sad you had to break TOS to even play the game lol

[@Xtimus]

Honestly a lot of these topics should be made into videos I mean. There’s so much detail and history to all of this I can’t explain it in one comment

[@Stavroization]

@@Xtimus yeah, their methods for combating botting were fruitless but that's besides the point.

[@delinquentbeats8832]

I play Diablo 2, love it a ton. Playing Diablo 4 now and still loving it. Good gameplay, I feel like I’m on an actual map and the story is great

[@djkidii]

but level scalling is terrible

[@shade45wa]

yeah I agree the gaame is great !

[@Someothername2134]

@@djkidii Please expand.

[@SelbstmordZweig]

lets just say diablo2 is godmode, diablo3 is stinky garbage, diablo4 is sunshine reggae

[@laladeity2196]

the experience is very subjective

[@mvpmvp2980]

i love diablo 2 but i have no idea why people act like it has this unlimited replayability

[@aletheia3253]

Completed it on hell and never looked back. I enjoyed it SO much though.

[@ML-po6vy]

Rune words system in my opinion,some of the gear made from it are very powerful&interesting and you can actually get it in early game. But the drop rate of high runes are insanely low

[@Jyuxx]

@@ML-po6vy some rares and the difference between non class locked uniques make the game quite interesting with the possibility of trying thousands of different builds specially for runewords like enigma opening the teleporting skill for all classes and doing PvP one of the bests out there. The hunting for rares with the top mods (a.k.a 2/20/res/stat/ 2socket diadems) and crafting amy 2/20 skill/cast also. It was more open to playeability rather than just oh this set is for this class with this other set for a bonus , locked for only this class with 2 stats fixed

[@Vell1981]

Don't say that the D2 Andy's will come to get you.

[@HO1ySh33t]

Warcraft 3 is the real game with unlimited replayability. Unfortunately reforged killed it.

[@argetect2847]

Lord don't tell me that a D2 player didn't just accuse another game of being repetitive. LORD TELL ME. A D2 PLAYER. DID. NOT. ACCUSE. ANOTHER GAME. OF BEING. REPETITIVE. I was there brother. I was there in the beginning. I was there grinding for SOJs in the day. I killed Baal so many gd times. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. Lord, you better not be. I was there, in D2R, running Andy NM hundreds of times. LORD YOU BETTER NOT.

[@Deminese2]

Why not? Still a valid criticism.

[@kaisokusekkendou1498]

Oh he went into "your brain is a computer" therefore Diablo 2 is best... I cringe.. because he reminds me of how I was in high school. It's so embarrassing. I don't think I can even finish watching this vid...

[@BlackCloud2469]

@@Deminese2 it's about hypocrisy, not criticism.

[@MarvinTheParanDroid]

@@ramonandrajo6348 So that means you're not a true Diablo fan. XD

[@MarvinTheParanDroid]

@@ramonandrajo6348 you might want to check out the comments on the original video

[@mattedwards8128]

Well most Diablo 2 players hate Xtimus so ya know. He’s arrogant, steals content, and has had a constant stream of drama following him.

[@warren_r]

@@Xeirus911 No. A "cool dude" wouldn't put a list of competing content creators up on the screen and imply that they're all bought out by Blizzard. Cool dudes focus on making their own good content regardless of what anyone else does.

[@Y_R_U_running]

this! thank you

[@mattedwards8128]

@@Xeirus911 Xtimus has had a history of using other people, stealing content ideas from years ago, horrible hot takes, and is beyond full of himself. He has attacked other streamers on many occasions, and started drama constantly. There is proof of this all over the place. He also blocks people after starting problems with them, and used to block anyone that gave him backlash.

[@mattedwards8128]

@@Xeirus911 the dude was caught botting and RMT, then lied about it. He stole video ideas from people, and claimed them as his own. He tried to start hate towards other creators. He’s a coward, a thief and a cheat. There really is no defense for that.

[@mattedwards8128]

@@Xeirus911 The content ideas were stolen long ago. I’ve read all of your comments. You can’t just say “You can’t steal content from a 20 year old game”. The content was stolen when the concepts were fresh from other creators. He did steal the ideas, and never give any credit. That is immoral. He lied to his audience about a lot of issues. He tries to start drama with other creators, then whines and cries about it getting backlash for it. He is pretty pathetic all around.

[@RMDillinger]

I think the opposite is true with runewords - they have not yet added them BECAUSE they know how they work. Runewords in D2 killed 90% of gearing options. During levelling the focus was always to gain runes (countess farming) to create the must have runewords for chest, head, weapon etc. every character I made regardless of class or spec had to have a stealth chest (lvl 17 i think) which is then used for the entirety of the levelling process (for the most part). the choices of endgame chestpiece were basically enigma or fortitude runewords depending on what your class and spec needed. Spirit monarch was the shield of choice for almost all endgame sorc builds - etc. I had some really powerful unique items drop that would have been build defining for my character were it not for a runeword (grief) rendering ALL drops worthless. The endgame basically became a grind for runes to either use as currency for charms or to roll a new runeword. It became so that only a couple of items were of any use. This in turn reduced the value of the useless items to next to nothing so you couldn't even trade these extremely rare drops for any runes worth anything. Tyrael's Might - supposedly the rarest drop in the game - wasn't even worth a Ber (1 of the runes required to make enigma along with Jah which was even more expensive.) I found it was more profitable to use my horker barb to endlessly farm Trav - picking up all gems - cubing them to perfects and trading those gems for runes. (gems are used for crafting the bis Amulets). The other issue - without trade you are limited to making runewords only with runes you have found, the drop rates of the high runes would need to be better than D2 as in 20 years of playing I NEVER had a Jah rune drop. I had to trade mountains (like 1000s) of Gems to get the Jah rune for my enigma. With the ability to craft rares into legendaries, reroll stats on items, and have build defining uniques - where exactly do runewords fit in? Are they intended to be ultra rare craftables that rival uniques for the drop chance of the required runes? Are they to be overpowered levelling items? will the runes be tradeable? do they want runewords to eclipse 90% of gear choices? I think applying them to a season with the option of removing them the following season if they dont work correctly is a smart idea

[@LameAssScreamoSinger]

Well said top comment tbh

[@vincentserna9174]

holy shit wall of text

[@holysecret2]

I loved runewords, but I have to agree it's unfortunate how they made most uniques obsolete. Especially those +2 skills sword and shield runewords were basically (if not actually) better than any unique endgame alternative, and I think you could use them from level 40 or even earlier. I remember those days before runewords became the meta, where you used actual uniques in lategame builds, like Grandfather or Eaglehorn. I'm honestly torn on this, on a principled level it is unfortunate (and arguably bad design) that one is clearly the better choice. On the other hand I really loved runewords the way they were. If I was to redesign D2 myself I would probably attempt to make them more balanced, though.

[@scotte1096]

I don't think any of what you said was a bad thing. Gave you something fun to work on for literal years.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@vincentserna9174 holy shit tiktok generation

[@SuperZakaru]

I love how Asmon is roasting Xtimus, coming from the diablo 2 community and knowing how much we all dislike him, makes it so much better.

[@despain8726]

it was the crossover i never thought id see in this life time but i am glad im here for it

[@ShamSoap]

Wut? Xtimus had great content for many years

[@SuperZakaru]

@@ShamSoap oh no.. lol. he has a few good videos thats it. hes a complete embarrassment to the d2 community and has some done very shady and immature things.

[@wtbskilllololo]

@@ShamSoap He was a viewed as an og d2 content creator untill a point where more D2 youtubers/streamers started popping and the game had some slight following both on twitch and youtube like some of the speedrunners and he started drama with some of them and ended up as the fool. Also there was a d2jsp drama with DatNiggaDavid where this guy David provided some screenshots about him being immature and toxic to some other guy(who i think killed himself if i remember right but that was never confirmed mightve been fake). He was really immature in all of these and he stopped posting for alot of time untill everything subsided and came around D2R release and has started posting ever since.

[@DominoVlog]

This guy did a great job at diminishing all the reasons why D2 is actually such a great game.

[@MrVvulf]

It's one thing to play devil's advocate (see what I did there?), it's quite another to "pooh-pooh" something with zero evidence or even thought behind the statement. That was a horribly myopic take by Asmongold.

[@BitWise501]

WTF are you talking about. Asmon didn't even play D2. Xtimus is the legend.

[@daveverhoeven2288]

@@BitWise501 whos Xtimus ?

[@BitWise501]

@@Shipdacheese No, I just have my own opinions.

[@gabbonoo]

@@MrVvulf i think calling out the crazy guy would be short-sighted(fully calling out, shaming etc). asmon seems to have a formula for what he takes from other people's vids and he seems to want to avoid having his audience go on a witch hunt.

[@elitenoob2141]

That amount of quantum physics that he studied must have really affected him because it felt like he had 2 neurons and even those were quantumly entangled. I've never heard a man make so many wrong points and also contradict those same points in such a short span of time.

[@brain_tonic]

Ok that quantum entanglement joke went hard 💀💀

[@Cedy0611]

LoL great point

[@slick2500]

@@RmX. I swear he said he studied quantum physics while he was on a spiritual journey.

[@slick2500]

@@RmX. probably. That guy seems like a complete tool anyway.

[@Tiedy88]

COUNTERSTRIKE 1.6, DIABLO 2 LOD, and WC3 FROZEN THRONE was the shit for an early 2000s teen.

[@CardShark808]

simple answer: because it is not diablo 2..

[@Zombgetsu]

I love diablo 2 and love diablo 4 even more, one reason cross play. Simple things get simple reasons. ❤️‍🔥💯🤌

[@xCori91x]

not true

[@EOHRyan]

@@jasongrundy17174 is nothing like D2 other than the genre and name on the box. D4 is also really great based on the 25 levels I played

[@KelpoChips]

Exactly, Diablo now lives only off its big name. Back then the whole fighting experience in Diablo 2 in birds eyes view with a lot of left clicks was super new, super fresh and modern. It was simply peak for its time. But for modern standards it’s super boring. At least on my opinion after playing d3 after d2. The holding of outdated mechanisms happens all the time in the world, in big companies or even in country’s economies, until they don’t give profit, cause nobody gives up on things that gave success in the past, even if it’s bad and won’t guarantee success in the future. It just seems boring. Doesn’t appeal to me at all. So my whole point: People crave for the experience they had with D2, where everything was exciting and new, not with the mechanics or the style of the game itself.

[@juanestevez2398]

@@jasongrundy1717 no??! what makes u think its d2?

[@antrepeyous]

I love the part where he spoke for an entire community, with seemingly random "facts"

[@jfdhfjug1]

Wait wait wait I think I missed that part.. what's the time stamp?

[@zebedeesummers4413]

I'm disappointed Asmogold didn't notice the person's made up statistics were always 98%. He just kept saying 98% this 98% that with no genuine data.

[@zebedeesummers4413]

I gotta go to work so maybe asmo noticed at some point, I'm a third of the way into the video

[@Nope_Nope-]

@@jfdhfjug1 I gotcha king. 00:00 - 1:04:00

[@jake53105]

This video feels like a friend sitting on my couch, baked out of his mind, explaining to me the quantum physics and metaphysical nature of “The RNG.”

[@benjaminghazi787]

@@BMoser-bv6kn kind of reminds me of that kid down the street that always tries to brag but everyone knows he’s full of shit and no one takes him serious except the other weirdos who do the same thing

[@basxhor]

D2 has better balance in terms of leveling and monster difficulty scaling. Itemisation is also better and dosnt make you super hyper demolisher with floating numbers. Specific item give you specific skill addition that you can use as advantage like for example highlords wrath amulet used on ubers etc. The strongest and best items are made orcrunes and this is where the end game begins to get the best items you can made and to make them you need the rarest Runes dropped in game in order to increase that chance a trade system comes to side. I know botting, hacking, duping and d2jsp crap which kill it all but at least the community’s trading is there. D4 need work and re balance is different game but for now it should be called Diaablo 4 Dungeons and Dungeons.

[@HalcyonUpperSix]

Genuinely impressive display of patience from Asmon, this video was stepping all over itself trying to make big points with poor examples. I would have X'd out early on tbh.

[@therealkylekelly]

as soon as he brought up quantum physics i knew he was trolling but his voice was so monotone and he never cracked a single joke, it was a bit impressive honestly

[@Haunting_Hyena]

I just loved how the dude didn't hide his EXCESSIVELY obvious bias at all that Diablo 2 was "the greatest game ever made". I swear he tried to say it every time he could.

[@condorX2]

"At no end of the spectrum has Blizzard found satisfying, interesting gameplay loops, other than the endless treadmill of watching the numbers incrementally go up." -PCgamer on D4 😅.

[@user-hq2cf7tf4c]

I really think people that never played the Diablo 2 endgame should not have any opinion on the topic, for him the D2 endgame is sorc which uses teleport and AOE farms. The game is too complex to understand it for 5 min of the stream-watching of a random sorc fanboy. I always main Paladin, the feeling to get Enigma by yourself and see the char that struggled for a long, long, long time now able to destroy the game - priceless, the feeling to collect the rune words that make you Uber boss destroyer - priceless. If you never found/got a Ber rune you should not have an opinion as you don't know what it takes and what the real endgame is. The D2 endgame is not dudes playing sorc and teleporting around one shooting everything and if you think that we know you never got D2 as a game. If you ever get deep into D2 you will understand what I am talking about :)

[@viincanity]

@@user-hq2cf7tf4c sorry but this guy (who asmongold is reacting to) just wants to hate the game or something. Fine, you like D2 better than D4, nothing wrong with that. But to say D4 is repetitive vs D2 isn't is just plain BS. How many Mephisto or Tower runs has the (not so) average D2 player done lol. if that aint repetitive I don't know what is. I don't care about repetitiveness per sé (it was fine in D2,3 and D4) but I'm enjoying the hell out of the 4th, as I've had with all of the others.

[@PlushrhinoJB]

"A new experience every time you play". Me leaving the Act III Durance of Hate level 2 waypoint and going left when leaving the doorway with the waypoint in it to find Durance of Hate level 3 entrance every single time I play.

[@MTSBeans]

always go left!

[@joxler514]

Act 3 starts > get waypoint to Mephisto > kill Mephisto > act 4

[@dustenthewind865]

Doesn't work like that anymore. In resurrected you have to get all the organs and imbue the flail to progress

[@mostlymorrowind9832]

"A new experience every time you play" Plays sorc. Does 1000 pindle runs

[@vergil_hc396]

the feels xD. start a new ladder. and farm eld/shenk until u got the base items you need to start doing mephisto runs. hoping for the early arach to make that $$$ xD

[@allenr316]

I mean, being repetitive is kind of the theme of all the Diablo games. The only major change I'm seeing so far between previous Diablo games and D4 is that the over world map isn't randomized every time you log into it (meaning geography and event location points) and you have other players in the world with you without needing to 'join a game'.

[@justinTime077]

No. Not in the way that 3 and 4 are, not by a long shot.

[@allenr316]

@@justinTime077 I'll politely disagree. I've been playing the Diablo series since late 1997. Being grindy AF is pretty much the whole point. :)

[@justinTime077]

@@allenr316 the point is what you missed as it turns out. The moral of the story is that there is rewarding grinding, and then there’s the d3 formula of showering you in loot so that you feel like you got mostly what your end goal is very quickly (in a night if you play like I do at times), and then from there finding the same shit over and over in that same loot shower to maybe get 1% better. In d2 you’re rewarded by finding or making THE item, which is rare, scarce, and therefore valuable and rewarding. Anyone can pick it up off the ground, but YOU have it, and probably many someone else’s haven’t found or been able to earn it yet. It doesn’t rain down on you like candy as in D3, and D4 will be the same. In D2 I can take weeks to months to achieve what I wanted. It feels better when you get there, and it feels better to get each godly piece. Then, since there’s an economy for these rare and valuable unique items that EVERYONE can use… you still want to search for more to build your wealth and get more stuff you may want. D3 and D4 simply don’t have that depth or value. Point made, don’t miss it again, Mr. 1997.

[@allenr316]

@@justinTime077 If you had bothered to state something similar in your reply to my original statement, instead of a no detail "No, you're wrong", then I probably would have been more inclined to agree with you. I've indicated in other videos (not that I would expect you to know this, I'm not the KZbinr, obviously) that I agreed with the statements about D3 legendary loot being WAY too freely dropped. I want to see that legendary orange and say "Fuck yeah!", not "God damn... another one?". So we're essentially agreeing on this aspect of the game.

[@justinTime077]

@@allenr316 I gave you you your detail right above. Definitely didn’t do what you’re claiming.

[@EudaderurScheiss]

i perssonally liked the rarity settings and possibilitys in d2. had a stormshield, max block socceres that was tanky as fuck. you had charms and so many things that combined made you very strong. but most off all it was the item hunting. the tradeoffs from magic find and strength. and the need for optimization. you had players off meta, having insanly strong builds. physical damage reduction, block rate, block speed, magic absorb, reduced damage etc, all were really well balanced. and every class was differently strong. amazone & sorc were stronger, but an insansly equiped barb could deal with it. and i think the one thing that made d2 people completly addictive was the adrenalin rush when an item dropped. not because it was a good feature, but because it felt real, direct and intense since others could grab it. with d4 im not sure, what ive seen im just fearing the d3 parts in it. but need to play before saying anything about it

[@Fulbor]

show me an efficient non sorc build without enigma. so yeah balance is completely fucked in d2, spirit enigma, shako and grief juist to name the most used items in like 90% of endgame setups the reason offmeta felt so much more doable in those games ist that they were mostly played at a time where people didnt look up or upload build guides on the internet nearly as much as nowadays. I play both d2r and wow classic, let me tell you my prot warrior was forced to reroll dps because paladins are better no matter if prot warrior can tank the content. no matter what game people play nowadays the people have changed, even those old school ones will never go back to playing games the way they were 20 years ago

[@dominosdomino9617]

I now understand why the D2 community doesn’t really like his content that much lmao

[@graelesretro]

D&D being the first game with dice-roll RNG is actually a frequent misconception, it was technically Chainmail, a game made in 1971, but Gary Gygax made Chainmail as well as D&D, so I mean it's not that far off. Just interesting info.

[@Schuhmiball]

oh thx! I remembered D&d not being the first one but I didn't know who was

[@cumsteak]

how do you pronounce Gygax tho

[@graelesretro]

@@cumsteak Guy-gax

[@graelesretro]

@@cumsteak Guy-gax

[@TheZanzou]

Your idea on how D2 maps are done is.. mostly right, there are different variants of it but most of the maps are only pseudo random with fairly predictable patterns. Durance of hate level 2 going to 3 as an example since mephisto farm is pretty popular, from the waypoint the entrance to 3 will always face counterclockwise to the direction the durance of hate 2 portal exits from, but sometimes the map will loop around on itself so if you're exiting the portal south you'll immediately head east but the actual entrance was to the west while heading east to the portal.

[@vipersuphere]

yup like enter the gungeon

[@timopint1125]

never noticed. i heared most played with maphack

[@TheZanzou]

@@timopint1125 yeah most did, as much shit as companies get for bad anticheat these days..blizzard was so much worse lol.

[@Deadgye]

@@timopint1125 Most of us did back in the day, but that was because none of us knew how to read the map pieces. After learning how to read maps properly I never felt the desire to have maphack when I played d2r.

[@cinaralin]

There were nowhere near a majority of map hackers in public games at least. It was really obvious playing with people who consistently ran straight towards the next area without ever changing direction. Common to see for sure but way more likely to not have one in your game (EU server).

[@Neclony]

I'm sad for people that say they already played the best game of all the time. They will never find a better game because they don't want to.

[@brain_tonic]

So much this. Meanwhile while I've been gaming since before D2 came out, I'm still getting excited for all the great new games coming out every year. Was having a blast in Everspace 2 last month. I'm currently addicted to Tears of the Kingdom, and D4 us right around the corner!? Every year being a gamer gets better, I'm spoiled AF!

[@requiem4adream33]

Indeed. D3 was supposed to be a glorified D2 expansion, new classes/items/etc, better graphics and a new story.Thats all we wanted. But they just had to screw the pooch. God bless D2R.

[@ShamSoap]

Im mean, D2 was a revolution in the genre. It was the golden standard and is an incredible game even 20 years later

[@retro6652]

As a D2/D2R junkie since waaaaay back when, I am very excited for D4. I enjoyed all three betas immensely. I believe a big part of the problem is that people expect "more Diablo 2" with each new game in the series. D4 isn't going to be (nor should it be) D2/D2R. Why? Because they already made that game. Go play that if that is what you want.

[@loggen3870]

​@@ramonandrajo6348 cringe.

[@Cynthesis21]

@@ramonandrajo6348 YOU aren't a true Diablo fan. You're a D2 fan and that's it. Just a pretender.

[@therain7218]

tried diablo 4 beta. its shit

[@capnmoby9295]

​@@ramonandrajo6348 "TrUe DiAbLo fAn"

[@brednbudr2406]

Exactly.

[@coltonp3247]

My first gaming experience was being my dad's "potion guy" on Diablo 2. Meaning I would sit beside him while he played with my hands on "1234" ready to make his character drink a health potion. Of course whenever he died it was my fault🤣😅. I wont be buying Diablo 4; the paying extra for early access, weird promotional and marketing material, and general direction Blizzard has taken with their other products has scared me away.

[@adeadlyfart13]

That's awesome, I played D1 when I was like 10, wasn't that good then and had to have my friend be the "potion masher" to kill Diablo. Good times.

[@jayhosh8126]

That's pretty wholesome

[@smartlearning6390]

thats cute

[@epyjacek]

Me and my cousins would take turns to be the potion guys hahhaa.

[@shadowandpain7855]

If something so insignificant in terms of gameplay has scared you away, it's probably better if you won't play it :)

[@OnBr0kenW1ngs]

Crafting was actually a huge part of D2. I remember chipped gem rerolling barb swords for BIS ed rolls... BIS amulets in D2 are in fact crafted. Also making alts to do charsi imbue runs to do a version of crafting a circlet to get BIS for sorcs and sins was a thing. That is a lot of crafting

[@BlackZanderPL]

You don't need half of that quality of items to do work in this game. You probably need like 2-3 BIS items to be at 90% of your power level. The rest is just details that don't really change much. I've cleared DClone solo this season 3 times with my Zealer pally, with 2 of those being with gear worth maybe 1-2 IST rune. Gear matters to some degree, but you really need so few of it.

[@MrAldart]

Not to mention the hours spent gambling..

[@OnBr0kenW1ngs]

@BlackZanderPL I can make a jank smite pally with black and not grief ect. But in ARPGs, it's about getting "BIS" and upgrading gear. I also didn't say you needed BIS. What I said is that there was a lot of crafting in D2.

[@Dagyo23]

What is BIS?

[@BlackZanderPL]

@@OnBr0kenW1ngs I have done almost none of it during my 15 years of playing. It's NOT a big part of the game. It's OPTIONAL part of the game.

[@EpicRag]

Im still playing D2, on and off since it was released. What a great, very addictive game.

[@IAmBlux]

Still working on finishing that Holy Grail on OG D2:LOD. One day I'll have everything :) Still do anywhere from 2-20 runs a day, just depends on how I'm feeling.

[@overkill1994]

Def most playtime of any game I've ever played. Even more than RS, TF2, Css/csgo

[@user-qq1ol8tc9e]

D2 will probably be the game I've played for the longest. I'm not sure if It'll have most hours, but in terms of playing it on and off, it has to be the longest-running one for me. Doing goofy shit like 4 summoner-necro and trying to crash each others' PC, or going full melee Necro lmao. I think the thing Diablo lost after 2 was the "A" in ARPG. 3 no longer felt like an immersive adventure. There's an NPC telling me what to do every 5 minutes, my character is outright saying his thoughts so often and bantering with your merc and shit. If I had to describe it any better, D1 and D2 made me feel like I'm the character as opposed to D3 and D4(beta) where I feel like I'm watching my character.

[@zachariasgeorge]

I had the same experience with Diablo and Diablo 2. Me: "But I have to kill the devil!" Mom: "nice try"

[@brettcloud8550]

"Diablo?! You mean Devil?!" "No, Mom! I *kill* the Devil!!!" A rite of passage.

[@SSJPunk]

I loved Diablo 2, and didn't really like DIablo 3. The reason I like D2 better was that the items interacted in nonlinear ways. Increased attack speed had breakpoints, so you would target your build to hit a specific %increased attack speed exactly. Or you'd get exactly 75% resistances, because going over is wasted. There was the tradeoff of whether you get 75% physical damage resist, or lower, but increase the elemental resistance cap. You didn't have to be that optimal, but I got into PvP. And then low level dueling, and making weird PvE challenge builds that are only possible with a lot of knowledge of the game. I didn't play D3 for that long, because the complexity wasn't there. The damage/resistance formulas were set up so that you would pretty much max out a formula to get the most DPS and effective HP. I disliked the always online single player aspect, the auction house, the way vendor RNG worked(you could cycle the RNG to get a good roll and buy a TON of that same item -- you'd see 20 of the same exact blue item in the auction house, which is MUCH better that anything you have, because someone got an insanely good vendor roll (and probably spent hours cycling it to do so, instead of actually farming drops, and bought a boatload of them) I stopped playing before they added the paragon levels and all that, so I can't say if they fixed things since then. I just lost interest.

[@beefnacos6258]

D2 was good. D3 sucked

[@mattemattics5667]

Every game franchise has its “this 20 year old game was the best and nothing will touch it” crowd.

[@WetWetShmuel]

36:54 he doesn’t get invited to events bc he’s a known cheater 😂

[@blakedavis4209]

D2 is not as randomly generated as people think. Once you figure out how things work, it really is the same thing over and over again. It's no different from D3 or D4.

[@BG1435q]

man have you ever played d2? what are you talking about lmfao

[@MrDavezd]

@@BG1435q he is right i played d2 last year and u have a couole of layouts for each map u go tru

[@ByGeorge846]

D2 maps are procedurally generated using a pre-built palette of tiles or blocks for each zone. The Act 3 Jungle will never spawn with desert tiles, but each iteration of the jungle will be unique. Some iterations may be very similar, while others will be wildly different. D2 also features a handful of pre-determined maps (such as the Den of Evil), similar to how D4 spawns its maps. There can be no debate that D2's maps, while not totally random, are significantly closer to true randomness than D4's maps.

[@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517]

These people with zero clue how RNG works in D2 hahahaha. Compared to D3/D4... D2 is RNG galore plus it's in fact true RNG. D3 wasn't even RNG - both items and maps. D3 had zero map randomization. D3 had timers that dynamically changed your MF based on how bad luck you had. Nothing RNG about that - in fact it's a fixed RNG system similar to slot machines.

[@codyshoecraft1661]

this is true for the map, but for the items not even close

[@codycardin]

When Diablo 2 first came out, there were like six of my friends and brothers waiting to play it on the one computer. Something called "the Six Hour" rule had to be implemented. "There's a thirty-six hour que, right now"

[@VariantNYC]

my friends and i did this same exact thing for a game called phantasy star universe, and we called it “shifts” 😂

[@holysecret2]

The main thing I always appreciated in D2 over any other ARPG (including PoE) is the atmosphere that is created by the design of the maps and monsters and the incredible soundtrack. The general loot and item design is probably on par with games like PoE, definitely simpler but also in a way more elegant. There are almost no throwaway uniques in D2 compared to the 90% of trash you find in PoE. Most of the time there is a use for each unique either for leveling or endgame purposes. If D2 had a fleshed out endgame I think it would be a superior game to modern ARPGs in a lot of ways. Going through the acts / campaign was fun every time thanks to said leveling uniques and sets you found along the way, the great world design and music, and generally polished combat and enemy design. You also felt the power increase with each level, as you unlocked new skills or improved your main skill. It just worked on so many levels. Up until act 5 hell i think D2 is still my favorite ARPG to this day. The main issue is the lack of true endgame. Back in the day endgame basically amounted to MF runs and trading, but without an active community half of that falls away. So usually you stick to a playthrough or two every couple of years, or playing HC as far as you can.

[@Varuga]

Most of the uniques in D2 is also mostly throwaways.... most of the unique can't match the power coming from runes....

[@vunpac5]

I think instead of at max level you have other class items drop, you should just have an option to pick the class you want items to drop for. So if you want to farm hard for your last piece while at max level it isn't 5x harder because you are getting drops for everything, but having the option makes it so you can farm for some gear for a class you want to play. You already did all the content, it's no different than gathering stones and gambling on another char. It just makes it easier.

[@tiagodagostini]

You may be sure that exist, but it is inverted in POE. If you are usign a bow you will not get many bow drops because they want you to trade withother players.

[@tysoncrosby3915]

Let us toggle smart loot. You want to build your main and don't want stuff for other classes fine. You get that character maxed and want to farm for an alt, turn it off.

[@paladinmcskoob1369]

There is alot of repetiveness in D2. The saving grace is the extreme rarity of certain items. Jah rune drops, dopamine hits, and I want to keep doing it. Its slot machine RNG at its finest. That in turn becomes very valuable. Thats what i want in D4. Brutal RNG and being able to trade if i feel like straying from SSF for a bit.

[@paladinmcskoob1369]

​​​@@brunch.I think you misunderstood my point. Come here and let me give you a hug. *edit* I was merely expressing what I like about D2. Im excited for D4! I work 60 hrs a week at a mental health facility and i still love that BRUTAL RNG ❤😂

[@joshuaadkins9820]

@@paladinmcskoob1369 Do they admit workers cause you should add your name to the list 😂 im kidding, i get where your coming from but id like to at least find a ber rune once before i die and that's almost impossible on d2.

[@paladinmcskoob1369]

@@joshuaadkins9820 Lmfao yea man i get you. To tell you the truth, sometimes i think i should be admitted x)

[@tee4222]

Something I can give D2 is the pvp was a lot of fun. That’s what made grinding worth it, trying to make a pvp character that could compete. That’s what made d3 become boring is the lack of pvp. After a while the grind seems pointless. Getting a level higher greater rift is nowhere near as rewarding as being a top dog pvper

[@Nowakga]

You lost me at "No one cares about PVP in Diablo". Proof you never spent much time playing Diablo 2. PVP was absolutely HUGE for Diablo 2.

[@xerxes1248ify]

Can't wait to revisit this 3-6months after release too see how well it ages

[@d2gamer]

Diablo 2 is the best game for sure

[@tylerm6080]

I honestly hope to see more of this from this guy, dudes an absolute nut case lol

[@Stavroization]

He's been around for a while but his content was always mid at best.

[@cameronharvey4746]

@@Stavroization Yeah theres a reason Xtimus isnt really respected or taken seriously AND why hes not partnered. its not because hes edgy and underground and saying the shit that no one else is willing to say, its because hes confidently wrong and has terrible takes.

[@chadhardt6136]

@@cameronharvey4746 he sounds like Diablo version of MetaGoblin.

[@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198]

There are many, many games that are better than Diablo 2 lol - shit is super dated

[@segfault_000]

​@@cameronharvey4746 "confidently wrong" is a perfect descriptor

[@Wolf37f]

My biggest complaint so far with D4 is that I liked having my weapons do weapon attacks. I don't like that skills replace the base attack. I don't remember D2 doing that, I also like the complete free form on gear for D2, no class restrictions on weapons and armor only lvl and skill restrictions.

[@brain_tonic]

D2 using normal attacks only lasts till like Lut Gholein, if you're in act 3 and still swinging axe, your build is wack. So it's pretty irrelevant that D2 had you using basic attacks at very low levels, and I don't think it adds interesting gameplay anyway, it's just a chore to get through till your build starts to come online.

[@JHerker]

Also there is a lot of class specific gear in D2

[@jefferystafford9657]

Yes! This is the only thing that pisses me off about the game. Necromancer can equip giant sword, doesn't use it.

[@ImmortalComposer]

@@brain_tonic He didn't say "basic attacks", he said "weapon attacks" and "base attack". A barb with a sword should hit with a sword, not with a magical spirit axe spawned from spirit energy. This comes to a personal preference, but you would certainly agree that completely ignoring the weapon you've actually equipped looks and feels pretty stupid at times. For sure, you will be using other skills on a barb, but what you will not do is see a hammer being swung if a sword is equipped.

[@ImmortalComposer]

@@JHerker Class specific gear is optional and does not give you 12.000% dmg increase which would make it mandatory. You are not restricted. You also had several different options to achieve the same build with different classes.

[@Phatsnake]

If this is what being a Diablo 2 player is like then I’m glad I only ever played it casually. I’m surprised Asmongold was very patient with this guy just based on his choice of words and how he makes his arguments.

[@Phatsnake]

@@mickpratt8327 I’m sure there are other Diablo 2 content creators who can better articulate their points without making odd blanket statements with no proper sources like this guy. His editing and production quality are good but he just sounded very opinionated and couldn’t properly back up his arguments.

[@kwprice1987]

D2 was amazing and my favorite game when i was 10 years old. When i came back at the age of 34 it made me realize how repetitive it is. Rush a toon, power level and then farm. The nostalgia was great for a few weeks.

[@thousandyoung]

All ARPGs are the same shit Kid XD. Jewzzard just turned them into a Gacha Machine in 2023.

[@kukenkuksson7185]

People saying that Diablo 3 wasn't a good/succesfull game don't realise that most people played the campaign with a friend and then quit the game, it's only bad if you never stop playing.

[@NullifidianYT]

D2 wasn't that random. I often could guess layout to the point that some people in my party thought I had maphack.

[@adjuchasbrokk8033]

I won't speak for everyone, but from my perspective as someone who played a _lot_ of D2, the natural continuation for me was Path of Exile. I find the people who moved on to D3 etc were more fans of Blizzard than of any individual game.

[@pokemonfan2630]

I wish i would've started poe way back then, at this point its really hard to get into, ive had some fun but honestly im 2k hours in and id still be doing white maps if i hadn't bought d2jsp forum gold to buy divines, still not sure how you make currency, tujen has given me 3 divines after about 200 expeditions, i don't like the meta of amassing a bunch of crap currency to sell in bulk, ill try poe again on pc someday but its cancer on console, i think there is a small group of people that play every league and they trade amongst eachother for the first few weeks, then they are the only ones with the good stuff and they would rather their items sit in the trade board for eternity than give a noob a deal.

[@raveturkey1996]

I'm heavily considering Last Epoch, it looks like it's halfway in between POE and D4. POE is a little overwhelming for me to learn at this point and would take alot of time, D4 LOOKS amazing, but it feels way to casual and it's made by Blizzard... The guys who just killed Overwatch :/ So Last Epoch might be my jam, even if it's the smallest of the 3 :)

[@raveturkey1996]

@@erk8520 nice, I'll check it out!

[@danielfuller35]

I love Diablo 2 to death. I can’t recall my hours it’s been actually over 20 years. I’ve never done 100-1000 runs of a boss etc I just played cause I loved it. Always did always will. Like in my time I maybe will get enigma etc but like for me I care but not to the point I can’t play if I don’t get meta gear. I just want to play Diablo 2 and I do And I’ll play 4

[@willthethrill8661]

Diablo 2 had something that the other games will never have. Extremely rare items, the need to trade with people. It was such an amazing game. He is right that D3, D4 cannot compare with it. Which is so sad. The graphics increased, but they lost track of what made that game exciting. Someone randomly trying to kill you in the game at any time. It made your heart race when someone would come for you. It really felt like an open world.

[@thebro6204]

So you had to either rely on other people or succumb to an extreme grind? Sounds amazing.....

[@papat-bone6474]

I like D3 and D4 way more than D2, each to their own I guess

[@flonkas]

Correct. D3 was crap. D4 is better but both will never come close to d2. D2 is the greatest game of all time. End of discussion

[@thebro6204]

@@flonkas nah

[@Lunzatis_Palemoon]

​@@flonkas Sorry, I played D2 and D2:R. I love Diablo 2, HOWEVER, you and a lot of Diablo 2 players who refuse to even give D4 a fair chance are officially on Copium now. You are just as bad as the Coping WoW players during Shadowlands. It's honestly pathetic at this point.

[@PatoSkai]

I've been playing every season of pd2 which is a modded d2 project and it's really addictive, gives a lot of end game while keeping d2 roots intact.

[@BG1435q]

@@HyPNoTiKx you should try it if you enjoy d2r. graphics are not d2r level BUT the game is much better as endgame is so much more.

[@Euruk1]

​@@HyPNoTiKx its definitely worth I'd say. Call it nostalgia but I actually prefer the charm of the old art style anyway so having that with the modifications and qol improvements the mod adds is its great.

[@shadowandpain7855]

D2 roots intact? Some heavy copium you smoke sir...

[@junkz90]

@@shadowandpain7855 Copium for what lol

[@shadowandpain7855]

@@erk8520 it's an aberration of D2 and has nothing to do with it except for stealing a name :)

[@fordee8]

i have a strong feeling diablo IV will split the community significantly but I also feel like it will finally be brought into the forefront of the staple games conversation, when the first beta dropped I had Madden, 2K, and COD guys making sorcs and necromancers. i think this will be a special game

[@brain_tonic]

Yeah D4 seems phenomenal, I loved D2 so much but I don't see where the D4 haters are coming from. Seems like all their complaints are esoteric nonsense that isn't core gameplay...

[@gaymohammed3137]

​@@4433221 d3, d2 and poe are all available on console. But nice theory I just hope you don't have to do any analytics in your job. Otherwise you'll cost your boss more than you make lol

[@mikesul16]

I am a diehard, hardcore Diablo 2 fanboy. Have played it for 20 years straight with no real breaks. This guy doesn’t speak for all of us. I like the feel of Diablo 4 and will be playing it a lot. They nailed the atmosphere in a big way.

[@frankieb9444]

@thebanned2807 I remember my buddy getting a set of whites from a random, thinking he was a badass only to get 1 shotted in every match.

[@USMCE6SRT]

You're always going to have these fans who just want a remake of their favorite game to reinvigorate the feeling again. Time changes everything.

[@acheesenip7020]

theres already a d2 remake lol

[@TheWayOfTheOtaku]

And then, once they get it, they would complain that there is nothing "innovative" or "new" in it.

[@cesarg26]

@@sofieberger8851 I have played D2 since the original release, I stopped for a few months and then I jump back in, I have played D3 basically the same way. What I have issues with in D2 is the fact that once you clear Hell, what's the point of replaying the game? You get better gear for what? To climb up the ladder we have now in D2R? PVP? D3's rifts are repetitive but you farm better gear so you can go up on the GR level you are playing. It gets boring after a while but at least there is purpose on doing that.

[@cesarg26]

@@sofieberger8851 I respect the fact that they are trying to incorporate new things, some of those new things I like, some others I don't but I believe it is a very long stretch the level of failure that some are expecting for this game. When you look at the genre, it is difficult to find any other Top-Down ARPG that has the same level of hype, the closes was the last update to POE. One thing that I'm particularly hopeful of with this game is that it seems they listened to a lot of feedback from the first Beta so we will wait and see what happens. D2R from the get go seemed like it was focused on people that never played the game back then and refused to play it nowadays with the original resolution so there was no incentive in adding additional content for us who played the game for years. In the, if we like it or not, the money is what is driving these decisions. I respect your opinion, hopefully you'll find enjoyment in D4 somehow.

[@cesarg26]

@@sofieberger8851 I'll give it a try, thanks for the recommendation.

[@clouds5]

It's hard to describe what makes diablo 2 so enjoyable compared to other arpgs. I think open trade and completely unbound items is a big factor. In things like d3 when you are done with the items on your char, you are done. You can start a new char and do everything from scratch, but playing the other one with good gear is kinda pointless. Because loot has become pointless. In D2, farming with a perfectly geared char is super fun and efficient because you accumulate currency or find items that let you play a new char that can farm other specific things. That is the next thing. In D4 you have a main char that does everything. In d2 you have a Java for cows. A necro for world stone, a tele sorc for keys and cry barb for pit etc etc. And the there are people who just use the game as a trading sim because it has a good balance of currencies, anyone can farm perfect gems that are needed by higher lvl players for crafting etc. And on top of that there is always this chance whatever you do, that a BER will drop that can change your whole game instantly! It's always exciting.

[@yomatcastu]

I feel like I lived in an alternate timeline. When people talk about how popular D3 was at release, they never mention that you got it for free if you subbed to WoW for 12 months. Half our WoW guild subbed up since we knew we were going to play WoW for the next year anyway and then played D3 on launch. 90% of us quit D3 after 2-3 weeks.

[@joshuaadkins9820]

? So your 30 player guild quit after a month and you think the game was unpopular because of that?

[@kliersheed]

i played d2 a bit with friends, never even touched d3, played about any other random loot grind game (dungeon defenders, some MMORPGs, borderlands, etc.) and finally got kinda stuck on POE with 6k hours played, but diablo just sucks :D. its like the dumbed down version of any other game of its kinds, for people who dont really like to think/plan/synergize/experiment, etc. IMO obviously. to each what he likes, no trigger intended @fanboys/girls.

[@Becoming_]

Cool story. You realize that their sales after the first year more than doubled by RoS. Not bad for some "bad" game nobody played. Tens of millions of people continued to buy and play it.

[@kliersheed]

@@Becoming_ numbers arent everything. millions buy bad food, millions smoke, millions think god exists. sometimes there are qualitative aspects that the majority of people are simply oblivious to.

[@yomatcastu]

@@joshuaadkins9820 I don’t think it was unpopular, it’s just a point that hardly ever comes up. I only know most quit, because I was one of the ones that stuck around for a while. The 12-month sub also came with Tyrael’s Charger (WoW mount) and beta access to the next WoW expansion. It was a no-brainer for tons of people and definitely pumped up those launch day numbers. I brought it up, because Asmon was listing reasons why D3 was popular at launch and completely missed this one.

[@lordempalator]

In diablo 2 the different patches of map have certain rules, but they are indeed random. You can have a "going to the right" exit in your left doing a full turn. Whatever

[@lordempalator]

@@sofieberger8851 Yep. I couldn't explain it better, d4 will absolutely not have the emotions you get when you unid a SoJ, a Jmod, or whatever crazy rare item in d2. And that's exactly why I will not play it either.

[@camjo13]

I love how he talks about there being endless replayability thanks to rng in diablo 2 as if people don't all run the same cookie cutter builds lmao.

[@tonyolo4591]

bro, that is so far from true it's not even funny. once you start getting into the runewords, crafted gear, and certain legendary/set item the build variety got crazy. that was part of why the game is so regarded, it's was easy to get into, but had a high skill ceiling when it came to setting up builds/gearing and character min/maxing. trading and knowing what drops were worth was a skill all on its own, and made a world of difference in your experience.

[@charliebarlet551]

@@tonyolo4591 "and certain legendary/set item the build variety got crazy" So wrong it's insane. The only variety from items come from ultra late game with crafted/ultra bis rare for PvP (wich is non existant for 99.9% of the player giving how rare this is and how late it happens in a season life) Other than that, set are pretty much a downgrade and runewords killed the build variety. You can say "build/items diversity" in a world where runewords Like Spirit exist. There a reason why 90% of the people who want to kill uber will play a smiter, because it's the stronger. (easiest and fastest to build/play). And another reason why 60% of the people will start with a sorc at the beginning of a season, it's not for "build diversity"

[@camjo13]

@@erk8520 reading comprehension. I never said there isn't a lot of builds.i said that everyone just gets their builds from maxroll or some other site.

[@camjo13]

@@tonyolo4591 "bro" everyone references maxroll and other resources while planning their build. Just because there is lots of options doesn't mean people don't just look up their shit and pick the best one.

[@tonyolo4591]

@@SilentSpringz no cope here sorry bro just disagreeing with the OP.

[@bran4457]

2:43 Is so true; plenty of the people on 'the list' have given negative feedback. Its such an unnuanced take to assume that they are just shilling because they happen to partnered.

[@jsmither504]

As someone who played diablo 1 when it came out and diablo 2 when it came out for hundreds or thousands of hours each, I was SO hyped for diablo 3 and yes it did fall flat on launch but after reaper of souls came out i platinumed it on console and i think it has always played better on consoles then it did on pc just like when diablo 1 hit playstation YEARS ago. D4 is no exception, as a true fan of the series i love any new diablo title regardless of its faults.

[@TheSurvivorman98]

Some of us have those games! You’ll play whatever they put out no matter the garbage. My crutch is Bethesda games. I know they have problems but also I don’t care Though I am looking forward to trying out Diablo 4 because I’ve never really played the series

[@thegrizzly9740]

that's kind of cultish. You don't have to like a title in a game series if it's bad. Diablo 3 was horribly received by the fanbase until ros and it may be the same case with diablo 4. It doesn't necessarily mean diablo 4 will be good just because it's a diablo game. I played the beta and it was so horrible i quit in a few hours, not because of the game mechanics themselves, i wouldn't know. I only got to the main first settlement town and the connection issues were so bad my game kept crashing over and over, so i quit playing the beta. I doubt that experience is going to change because of blizzard's netcode issues are legendary. That's going to hurt the experience regardless of the games quality. It's perfectly fine not to fall into a hype cycle because you love a franchise. it's perfectly fine that you like diablo, great. Just don't get snookered into a inferior product because it has a sticker of something you love on it.

[@HoldinContempt]

"Dont think about it. Just consume Product and then get excited for next product." D3/D4 players

[@toxictator4561]

Yep words right out of my mouth . EZ

[@digitaldoom3593]

3 was the best on switch with its direct wifi co-op. Only thing I Hate about diablo 4 is always online considering I have limited internet right now. Didn't like 3 on pc because of it too.

[@andrewstencel]

To be honest, even Diablo 1 felt more randomized and unique than 2. At least on that game you encountered different bosses between the 16 floors at each playthrough, and my experience with Diablo 2's first act for example, had me doing the same stuff, killing the same enemies and finding the same dungeons every time, albeit at a different location or with a different layout.

[@ryancoleman8482]

I still do Diablo 1 playthroughs to this day if it's raining or I'm bored. Best Diablo game by far. Wish they just did that game better these new ones suck balls. Played d4 beta early on invite and stopped playing 4 hours in. It was dogshit (picked druid though so maybe why)

[@Sevness]

Diablo 1 was a lot more randomized, the layouts of the map of each area was different, there were different encounters and bosses, everything was very central and felt like you actually delving into hell, first from a decreped church, into the depravity of man with things like The Butcher, into the catacombs, before eventually coming across demons and hell spawn. Diablo 2, every act was the same, large open areas, sure, with barely anything interesting in it, and really was only a matter to get from point A to B with a waypoint somewhere probably directly next to the road since it was all linear pathing. I loved D2 a lot, but yeesh, this kid sucked the games dick harder and stroked his own nostalgia boner so blatantly, I felt like I watched some mature porn.

[@MarvinTheParanDroid]

That guy is probably too young for diablo 2. The only thing he played is diablo 2 resurrected. Don't even think about diablo 1 lol

[@rin-joh8644]

@@Wr41thgu4rdDiablo 1 also had randomized side quests, something which D2 doesn't have.

[@ChaoticRad]

I think Asmon should give D2 a playthrough. Would be cool to see his perspective on it.

[@XenoSpyro]

Asmon the dual GS Barbarian and McCool the Hammerspammer. The campaign of a lifetime.

[@ProdZman]

fuckin this

[@ZeOnexify]

he literally tried and gave up after first act because it was so boring

[@triple1]

We have got his opinions about it, but watching and playing are not the same and it's making his opinions about the game less credible imo.

[@richardsimms6556]

For me, every new Diablo game has been better than the previous version and to say Blizzard doesn't care about their games when you can quite clearly see how much polish goes into them is nuts. Diablo 4 blew me away, it is f**king stunning...maybe us old schoolers appreciate the effort more being around when 3dfx open GL was first introduced and as Asmon said, there wasn't a massive amount to play back then. Avalon i think it was called was a text-based rpg experience had rng..a troll hits you for 25 damaged etc. Every student i knew was playing it, then came along games like Everquest which is why you're playing WoW now. I'm not nostalgic eh hee, pushing 50 and i don't want to go to work anymore, just wanna sit at home and play games and wait for the Reaper, and what was all that spiritual shit about, who doesn't like chilling on the rig with a smoke and putting in a 15 hour gaming session till your eyes bleed....I've spent the day watching your stuff Asmon and it's refreshing to see a streamer not wrapped up in their own self-importance...magic stuff

[@mdouet]

Can someone explain to me how D2 itself is not repetitive? It seems that all you have to do in "end game" is fight the same bosses over and over?

[@BlackCloud2469]

yea, some people are just delusional out of their bias. D2 doesn't even have an endgame ffs.

[@jacoblojewski8729]

My favorite part was when he said most people experienced the game unconsciously!

[@moist5147]

@@ramonandrajo6348 huh

[@moist5147]

@@ramonandrajo6348 ?

[@mentalvibrations8128]

The problem with POE is without trading the game is essentially a single player game. There is almost no interaction with other players unless you make a party with friends. That will be another plus of D4. At least I can see other people in the world and the game doesn’t feel completely empty.

[@mentalvibrations8128]

@@ramonandrajo6348 would you like more Mr. Ramen 🍜

[@NickDeCastro]

"Nice try, Satan." Being raised a Catholic, this line brought me to tears, laughing.

[@Yoda0VGs]

Yes, Trist27 instance to kill the same room over and over again to level isnt repetitive at all

[@Yoda0VGs]

@@paddington1670 lol wut

[@Cedy0611]

Lol asmongold you are a great person to listen to. . I don't even play some of the games you play but enjoy listening to a lot of your opinions.

[@Kursplunky]

As a lifelong D2 fan (First computer game I played and years and years of gametime) I can confirm that I'm super excited for diablo 4.

[@wurzelbert84wucher5]

Yeah and after 2 weeks you will deinstall it, when the hype is gone. You are all totally controlled by hype and marketing.

[@Kursplunky]

@@SilentSpringz I know it's controversial and it's a big deal but it just had to be said ;)

[@nostrings1269]

I like D4 but D2's itemization, progression feels better. There should be trading. That's a massive part of why D2 has lasted so long. Blizzard talks of open world and teamwork but D4 feels very much solo. D2 worked because teamwork was there if you wanted it and you could make a unique build even 20 years into the game

[@MixMeister5000]

There is trading in D4. Some of the best gear are rares and those are tradable. People want to play D4 solo , as do most players but the option Is there. There are no more " unique " builds in D2 , let's be real here lol. There's a lot more build variation in D4 due to aspects now , it's just not balanced therefore builds are a bit more limited. The same applied to early days of D2.

[@wsak5991]

In D2 I always played with other players and it was always fun, in D4 mostly solo

[@joxler514]

Look is this simple i aint buying the game, the bring back the druid BUT WITHOUT THE FIRE TREE SKILLS WTF

[@CardShark808]

no one cares if you buy it or not..

[@joxler514]

Ofc no one cares, doesnt mean im not expressing myself.

[@wasmachensachen6473]

@@CardShark808 i do care actually

[@CardShark808]

@Rachel Jackson looks and sounds better..

[@ProblmSolvd]

Trading works so well in PoE because the currency is used directly in crafting, and a perfectly crafted rare is going to be BIS (outside of build enabling items) for any build. So the currency has a defined drop rate, is constantly being taken out of the market and has an actual function.

[@ichbinfranke5152]

trading workse so well in PoE that most use third party websites and tools to do it. Also, you gotta buy a trade tab to do it. It's basically hidden behind a paywall.

[@Kaligor]

@@ichbinfranke5152 You only need a premium tab to list items, buying requires nothing. And the reason why you require a premium tab is not because they want it that way. But because they have to have it that way to create barriers against bots destroying the servers (even more)

[@ProblmSolvd]

@@ichbinfranke5152 I meant mechanically

[@user-tq7bq3qf3k]

@@ichbinfranke5152 You don't need a premium tab to sell, you can list items on the shop forum thread and the items will show up on the trade site just like as if it was listed from a premium tab, sure it ain't as simple as right-click set price, but there are tools to help with that, such as Acquisition or Procurement.

[@ichbinfranke5152]

@@user-tq7bq3qf3k You and I both know NOBODY ever did this, so... okay? "How to sell without premium tab PoE? Unfortunately, if you don't own a premium stash tab, selling items is a bit of a pain. You'll need to create a thread in the trading forums, get links to your items from your character page on the website, and then link them in your thread with the “~price x chaos” tag."

[@sofasupastargaming]

As someone who buys a lot of new games releases I can say that I had more fun and that all of the demo launches of Diablo 4 have been better than a lot of full release games in the last 2 years and they have left it so it can be expanded on for years to come. As a start to a big game this one hits the mark in my opinion and could be something truly special in the future.

[@Nightwalk444]

D3 for the last seasons before D4 was absolutely brilliant, sad thing is that you reached endgame very quickly after hitting level 70 and all the content was just Bounties, Vaults, Nephalem Rifts for keystones and then Greater Rift pushing or farming.

[@shadowmaster335]

and in D4 you have, nightmare dungeons, a finite renown grind, world boss, and as i like to call her "uber lillith", ohh and helltides i guess, but that is for crafting mats i think

[@seanfletter9098]

I think when he talks about rng on an item he isn't necessarily talking about finding random weapons. I think he is saying that unique item you have been looking for rolls all kinds of random specs. Like maybe 20-30 faster hit recover and 20-30 faster cast rate on an item. So maybe you find 6 of this item but they all roll different fcr and fhr. So you probably aren't rolling a 30 30.

[@jibbingistehshit]

okay? but how is that different from what d4 has? the items in d4 doesn't always roll the highest possible stat either

[@jibbingistehshit]

@@Luminousreign You do know that d4 also has Unique items and that these will be pretty rare? For example Harlequin Crest (shako), that has fixed stats and also rolls exactly like you said like 20-30 stats or whatever.

[@blackyvertigo]

everything that dropped in d4 was randomized stat wise, including the legendaries. just another clueless youtuber.

[@jibbingistehshit]

@@Luminousreign I’m not even sure if you are saying the d2 system is great or that it is outdated… But even so, if you like that type of min-maxing. Good for you, but you are for sure in the minority if you like seeing an upgrade of +5 to a single resistance as a big deal.

[@lodsup]

@@jibbingistehshit the difference is that it matters a LOT less. sure you rolled a 32% out of 40. but it means almost nothing when you have 12 difference sources of dmg up and attack speed and main stat and other multipliers. it "mattered" in d2 because you needed to hit breakpoints and sources of it are scarce.

[@vordoen]

The thing that makes diablo 2 so replayable, is that it's not possible to just loot up instantly on your own, trading is the biggest portion of the game that keeps it so fun and fresh. I'm surprised asmongold didn't try D2:R because it's nothing but trading.

[@unkeptorc9656]

I'm going to sit back and wait because Activision has no trust in my eyes to get this right.

[@cmoney163]

“That is less rewarding and is for the casual player base” I’ve been playing Tier II solo and It’s been pretty damn rewarding imo, it’s also not casual friendly if you play on that tier; if you make a bad build and only put on gear because it has a higher gear score than what you had, and don’t really have affixes that compliment your build somehow, the game punishes you for it.

[@ksk31337]

10 minutes into the video, and damn Asmon can explain D2 very well for someone who has not played it (a lot)!

[@chris2236]

The real reason Asmon likes trading is so he can get his goons ( viewers ) to give him everything he needs for his build and he will hit them with a thank you very much.

[@Karldawg]

I love diablo 2 and I am very much excited for Diablo 4! I have all characters maxed out in hardcore difficulty in diablo 2 and yes I don't hate diablo 4 at all in fact I am very excited for it.

[@6Monto]

dam D2 god over here.

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

I play diablo to play with family members, diablo 4 is a good game to me (so far) because while there's builds and such you also have to pay attention to survive and not die, you have to do actions in a correct order for those builds to survive the harder dungeon areas. In contrast no matter what character I picked I wouldn't die in diablo 3, the hardest difficulty, I'm dealing essentially .05% health as damage, but I couldn't die. While I've never played diablo 2, my uncle who had last played diablo 2 and tried to treat diablo 3 as diablo 2 kept dying because he exclusively used "spin to win" as his strategy, and I can't help but think that diablo 2 must not have been that hard if that was an end ge build that worked.

[@etrosknight2254]

Spin to win is still really good on multiple classes (barb, monk, demon hunter) so I think your uncle just didn't have a good build xD

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

@@etrosknight2254 what I ment by spin to win exclusively is that he'd hold down whirlwind after getting enough rage. It didn't work out in diablo 3, but that same strategy worked in diablo 2. I have no issue with a spin to win build being good, as long as there are requirements for it to be good such as stacking buffs and other abilities and only being good in holds with it quickly dying off if enemies are not quickly hit. And yes I knew there were good spin to win builds, I preferred keeping that uncle alive with my 30 minion necromancer build.

[@wsak5991]

Leveling and the item progression in D2 was a lot more fun to me than in D4. You had these certain checkpoints and meaningful upgrades in D2, while in D4 every Item you get feels the same, with some minor differences in the stats.

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

@@wsak5991 I, too, have come to feel that feeling of everything feeling the same, and I do wish that the progression felt more impactful towards the end levels as you only get a VERY small boost after you pick your attacks and the couple strong passives.

[@russellhumphrey5209]

"I like trade because it lets me farm out items and sell them to incrementally work towards what I want over time" But what if the game just... let you do that but without trade? Like what if you could deterministically obtain items without trade? A basic example would be if you could buy literally any crafting material with gold, and gold dropped from monsters, so by farming them you will eventually be able to create the item you needed? I say this because I think trade's biggest problem is turning items into gold (an random item is never good for you, so its only as valuable as what you can sell it for), content into a job (simply play the most efficient return on investment), and creates a loop of mindlessly doing the same thing over and over without change (which leads to boredom). It can also lead to problems when drops are based on trade (poe and D3 auction house) so playing the game in a ssf way is punishing, creating a feedback loop of nerfing due to trade obtained power leading to trade increasing leading into nerfs due to trade power. I just think the rng aspect of items and "item mostly" drops from monsters is an inherently flawed way to play, turning the entire game into a casino. If instead item creation was deterministic (with drops that can give dopamine hits), then people would not feel forced to trade but instead to engage more openly with the game systems.

[@smokinquack89]

Guy was lvl 25 in the vid this video was probably made before server slam. Alot of adjustments were made between beta and slam. That was a pretty short time and they made these changes based on overall player response to beta.

[@mikaeljalamo4834]

Anyone saying diablo 2 is not repetitive AS ALL HELL is just delusional. End of story

[@goodguyJedi]

You can make custom gear like chains of honor or enigma, in D2. Enigma adding teleport to a non sorc class was huge

[@noz_fx]

Where D2 really shines is the stats system that keeps item drops relevant and the leveling meaningful. In the endgame, D2 breaks down significantly into the product of its time that it is. Pretty much all of the gg endgame builds are mechanically one-dimensional and unfun to play by modern gaming standards, let alone the boss encounter design. But having played D2 since 2004 I haven't come across a better leveling experience in any other RPG.

[@stranger.granger]

I feel like it's important we don't forget that this is Blizzard and they're gonna mess up D4 somehow.

[@fidesign5924]

Nah Nah nah! Diablo 2 was blizzard. Diablo 4 is an abomination.

[@PoisonRemedy89]

@@fidesign5924 just like you

[@Lubet0TheGreat]

@@PoisonRemedy89 U mad the game you waited 12 years to spawn is a big smelly wow-diablo immoral hybrid turd?

[@voidlockdragon1406]

Kinda hard to really judge Diablo 4 in comparison to Diablo 2 when the latter was only released like a week ago. Diablo 2 at launch was pretty bad, only 4 acts, 5 classes, bad boring items, and no rune words. Only when LOD expansion came out was when D2 became a classic. Diablo 4 has the potential to grow and become better over time. Whenever D4 stops getting support is when we should judge it properly.

[@forresttownsend6685]

A fault to Asmon is using twitch viewer count as a metric for for measuring engagement of a video game, D2 especially. Since it is safe to assume most D2 players are older and know D2 very well. Based on that, I would also assume most of them aren't watching random twitch streamers of D2. But I do understand some of the merit in using twitch metrics and does work for online games. I just don't think D2 is that kind of game because a lot of people played D2 in a vacuum and played with mods like plugy.

[@ggOCommando]

You've got a lot of good points. I can tell you're telling the truth about not playing d2 that much though, especially when it came out and lod came out, dueling was huge in the game. There were always tons of games dedicated to pop