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[@ohgeezrick2019]

They could start with making nightmare dungeons affixes fun or challenging rather than a constant annoyance

[@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429]

I get one shot sniped by those stupid bone archer things in nightmare dungeons as a sorcerer. Feels bad

[@crssfce]

and start rewarding players actively playing with the affixes and not just ignore them, because e.g. the damage doesnt matter

[@TLim-mr7ro]

@@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429 happens to most of us. get dr from distant and stop stacking armor, instead opt for hp. armor gets halfed every 10 lvl the mob is higher. so in really high NM's (30-50 lvl higher) that means your armor is not doing jack.

[@slabGod_]

People like you guys (the one replying in the comments) are gonna be the reason why the game is too easy and gonna die within months.

[@DivumSominum]

@@TLim-mr7ro Thanks for that tip.

[@Vladd0r]

Seasonal renown grind could instantly be fixed by just getting renown for nightmare dungeons depending in wich act the dungeon is located.

[@chriscalvert5864]

Good call

[@magicwizrd5733]

i dont think a single person would have a problem with that, pretty solid idea

[@Imazombie14]

wait, you havent maxed out renown yet? maybe play the game instead of watching youtube?

[@dubyalast3734]

@@Imazombie14they’re talking about when renown resets with the new season (if you make a new seasonal character)

[@magna1877]

​@@Imazombie14/whoosh

[@SilkStorm_101]

The new season quests should count towards the renown and replace the previous side quests. Redoing the dungeons is not a problem for me but the side quests yes, and several of the strongholds were more interesting than any dungeon and would be happy to do them again

[@mustaflex]

as a casual, strongholds are my favorites.

[@ryanspeck241]

Agreed, I would 100% rather do the Strongholds, than Quest. They could also make NEW strongholds with each new season sort of like the horde of demons or cults taking over different areas and the struggle continues.

[@xAnotherGuy]

Hope they half the renown required during a season, but more likely the battle pass will give 1000's of renown over time

[@ninjadog23]

😅 I

[@icebite9888]

no, fuck your bandaid fix for a trash mechanic. Just make renown shared across realms, characters, everything. It's a trash mechanic to begin with and just feels like a job to complete.

[@joshuamangum3913]

I am playing diablo at a snails pace, taking in every side quest and enjoying them a lot. Its a great experience and i think a lot of people are missing out by blowing past them. But i definitely dont want to have to do them all again as part of the seasons. Thats insane,

[@piotrmajewski5978]

I don't get why people spend 60+ hours to farm and reset same dungeon to get to 100 and burn out fast. I never care about quests and lore in arpgs, but I just switch between diffrent activities - some dungs,some explorings,quests, events and that keeps game interesting. Don't have to be exp effective, cause there is no point to rushing to 100 asap.

[@ThePolarpop]

​@@piotrmajewski5978tbh I think theres probly a decent argument for rushing from like 50(post campaign) to 70 maybe 80 max but after that fuck it and u could make that middle leap pretty fast if ur strong

[@TiaraDalmeida-hf4zp]

Yes i am just like you. I pay a lot of money for this, so i want to stretch my experience and poke around everything. So much enjoyable this way. Plus maybe another 10 years to the next game, there is no rush.

[@beatooze8025]

​@@alexandrebelair4360100h max? Is that before seasonal content? Is that taking into account that casual players get only a few hours every other day? 100h is huge. Even the folks that are grinding this game into oblivion for the perfect roll of stats are spending that much. 100h is an absolutely massive amount of time. 18h in and my barb is not even 50 yet. 18h of playing the story and side quests. 18h of looking at gear and learning the systems. 18h of looking at my skill tree and plotting the future of the character. At this rate, 100h just to get every class to 50. Just to then start seasonal content. The only people mad at this game are the fools that rushed to make content and have now milked it dry. (Cow joke) and now those same folks are making hate content for clicks. That is all it comes down to, clicks and clout. If I was not subbed here I would just block this poisonous content.

[@pierreo33]

Yup people are playing 14 hours/day, rushing through everything, then complain about no content? Like wtf?

[@DorkyDanMan]

I think what some people forget is that Diablo 3's first season was a little over 2 years after the game came out so there wasn't seasonal character resets. So there were a ton of people who played a lot of Diablo 3 and didn't experience the reset.

[@MarcLucksch]

Exactly, many of my friends dropped d3 before seasons came out, and they played d2 as well. Any of them could be called a veteran.

[@SweetOdinsRavens]

Yeah I had no idea what a season was until I randomly logged in a year or two after beating reaper of souls and saw a bunch of changes, including a "season" mechanic.

[@lateralus5925]

exactly... its funny how all these content creators act like there was never a time before seasons.... i wonder why?

[@upbulb1538]

"Diablo 2 had seasons too" is such a weird fucking take when d2 had seasons added 14 years after its original release.

[@Hypno_BPM]

@@upbulb1538maybe they’re getting ladder and seasons mixed up ?

[@chuggajr]

The main problem here is the MMO features being mashed together with Seasons. Renown grinds and really long leveling makes sense in an MMO, but not a seasonal game where you need to abandon characters regularly.

[@vincenthammons-kd9du]

you dont have to redo renown in seasons

[@Veteran_Spartan]

Long leveling lmao.... Diablo 2 called

[@scruffynerfherder33]

​@@vincenthammons-kd9duunless they changed something, they are only giving us a limited amount of renown rolled over into seasonal play. Have the extra 20 paragon points is pretty essential for min maxing

[@scruffynerfherder33]

​@spartanp9117 the leveling is faster than diablo 2 but much slower than d3 which actually introduced seasons first for the genre. Paragon mattered quite a bit less in d3 than in d4.

[@THETANKGINGER]

What are you going to do for 3 months to stay entertained? You need to do renown and long leveling to make the game have a life span.

[@WrathMacDraft]

They could have added Andariel (lvl 80) and Duriel (lvl 90) as difficulty bosses in between Elias and Lilith. I sure would have enjoyed fighting them again.

[@cowscanfloat]

This is a nice concept.

[@andrewtoledo181]

This! Andariel and duriel have such cool skins, it's a waste to leave them in the campaign. Make them a world boss or dungeon boss. World bosses are cool, but also should also add more concepts like the butcher but out in the open. Special bosses that can randonly spawn

[@jamiesoncostello]

I'm gonna bet they're saving throwback bosses for seasons when they feel playerbase dipping.

[@julbot1]

I enjoy D3 plenty despite never having made a seasonal character in it. There's enough build variety that chasing down all the bits to make the different builds work and push Rifts can carry the base game. Rifts, while basic, play to the game's strength of just throwing you in rooms full of enemies and going ham. In D4, between the glacial leveling pace and anemic build variety, there's really no fun to be had when you have to slog to make the same build again.

[@CosmicStench_]

You can’t even power level anymore i believe

[@lauramayfair7887]

This. Thank you. I play ARPGs for the dopamine rush of getting a great piece of gear with a cool look that I know is a fantastic upgrade. It's not very exciting to get yet another yellow rare and having to parse all the stats to decide whether or not you've gotten an upgrade. I also play for the skills. Getting a new ability is usually fun. Not so in D4. They all feel so lackluster. I understand veteran ARPG players like to theorycraft but usually that's reserved for top tier endgame. What they've done with D4 is made the game feel like an endlessly slow slog where you never feel you're getting better. I don't know what they were thinking.

[@GamingCathedral]

​@lauramayfair7887 games exactly like d3 is what they were thinking lol the hope is that blizzard transforms the game every season like poe

[@BansheeN0rn]

​@@CosmicStench_ppl are boosting in nightmare dungeons

[@krazyd0nut404]

I got to max level in d3 season in 1 hr. And that is boring. D4 howl long? That is the problem. Let me have fun without the boring shiit

[@stonedruid]

You re-level in PoE and D2 seasons, but leveling is not the content. In those games a big part of the seasons is a clean economy, item hunting and build diversity. In PoE we even have endgame boss progression. If there is nearly no trading or economy, no end-game boss challenges, and very few ways to build your character, the seasons is reduced to leveling and renown. This could change depending on what unique content they add into the game, but since nothing has been announced we have to judge based on what we have right now.

[@slickydee5507]

Very well said!

[@hostileaks4495]

The whole point of seasons in d2 was getting those exclusive runewords. So I imagine there will be unique or legendary aspects exclusive to the new ladder or season.

[@stephenb5085]

​@hostileaks4495 except like d3, you'll be guaranteed to accomplish that with little effort. In d2 even completing a lovely IK set/tals set requires alot of trading/farming. In d2 just kill enough monsters (about 1000) and 4 copies of thd set will drop.

[@hardeg4]

its sad that item farming more or less does not exist in d4. impossible to have the wide item farming when its class bound items and also no area that drops specific items, or lower level zones. incredibly dull

[@travisewald1]

Well said, trash game imo. 3/10

[@fullyrekt1538]

Honestly, if the XP grind to get to 100 wasn't so damn long and boring, i think people wouldn't be so upset over fresh start seasons. Im over 200 hours played on my Barb and only level 97. Granted, i stopped xp farming around 75-80 because running the same dungeon over and over again was shit. And i started pushing Nightmares. The end game is really lack luster at the moment. I have 8 or 9 Glyphs at 21 just running NM non stop, the loot is terrible, i dont think i have had an upgrade on a piece of gear in like 3 days, world boss loot is poop, im getting Sacred drops in NM 75 dungeons Helltides have become useless, the tree of whispers is absolutely useless. I was hoping they would implement some of the Shadow VS Immortals activities that DI had. There NEEDS to be a Loadout save option, im not doing PVP because i dont want to spend 2 hours respecing every time i want to pvp or switching from WW speed farm and HOTA NM pushing.

[@THEBEYONDFOREVER]

So true.

[@LindyKnight]

200hours for lvl 97 very good u will get in top 1k

[@whos_agent2129]

@@LindyKnightthe fact you think some leader board means something to him

[@coachmhee2590]

If its the same as D3 seasonal character lvl up much faster hope they do that this time too.

[@DarkViIIain]

200+ hours and the games been out C. 20 days, that's a full time job sheesh

[@mfclevz8765]

What kept me playing Diablo 2 through a season was the rune system. Extremely rare, extremely exciting to find, and can be used by other characters. Finding items outside your class makes you excited to play another character. Where is that in this game? You can’t even find good items for other characters, nothing to look forward to.

[@colinblake7456]

This is a good point

[@chrismoore1372]

Disagree, my druid continues to find all kinds of cool barb unique weapons

[@enigmahammer444]

​@@chrismoore1372Thats a bug for Druids. You will only find Barbarian Uniques and Druid Uniques unfortunately

[@LoreFoundry]

I have found some legendary items for other characters on my Necromancer. I've gotten a few sorcerer and barbarian legendaries

[@cyrilseminiuk5090]

Go back to farming Mephisto 10,000 times and get shit loot and let everyone else enjoy D4 lol.

[@jamesputzulu8513]

I feel like another issue is you don't have enough space in storage to save all the legendaries to try out other builds.

[@dbb1064]

And its hard to find the one you want in your stash.

[@loopdigga8061]

@@dbb1064not at all

[@Dzantro]

I got three characters and it's basically impossible

[@misdafireinfexus5828]

let alone to do that for every class; each class should have a separate stash; but at the same time theirs items that you can use with multiple classes so maybe each class has 4 stashs specifically for the class, and then 4 that are shared bwteen each class. 4 shared between every class, and 4 for every class because honestly we need more storage even with a system like that

[@thuglifetillidieyeet]

I feel like my first ever motivation to do a season in D3 was because one of the rewards was extra inventory space and I said YES PLEASE! The inventory situation in D4 is dire.

[@peigen7151]

I think one major thing that hasn't been talked about is the fact that Diablo 4 has basically zero trading. In PoE (and also Diablo 2) one of the coolest thing and most fun is the economy aspect in the beginning of the season. That for me drives the fun factor a lot to start a new character in the new season. In addition to that PoE has so many different builds that you can literally play the same starting class 50 times with different builds. I would assume most as me play something new every season. Which is in addition to the seasonal content.

[@60weHoodsta]

Reasons why i will wait for POE2

[@ZxAMobile]

I think most new players are forgetting the Diablo two was the only real Diablo game and Diablo two was mainly centered around player versus player and trading, people didn’t really grind more than they had to. I have played over 45,000 hours of Diablo two and 99% of that was spent Pvp or trading, nobody grinded after 2003, bots took over (thank god) and you didn’t have to mindlessly kill npcs for 15 hours a day like a dummy. You could either grind 12 hours a day for months or make a few good trades, either in game, or on d2jsp, or even easier just buy items with real life money, and accomplish Waymore than you could ever accomplish through grinding… These new Diablo games are not made by real Diablo players. They are made by super low effort statistic reading idiots. “Let’s just force them to grind 24/7, no pvp since that hurts peoples feelings, no trading since that’s scary” D3/d4 are not Diablo games, they have NOTHING to do with Diablo, not even the same developers.

[@Freestyle80]

PoE has less than a third of D4's playerbase, so wtf are you comparing here

[@LoreFoundry]

But I can trade with my friends. So I give him rares or legendaries that I think he could use. Good enough for me. I don't wanna grind gold and buy stuff other people found.

[@booyaah82]

After playing Lost Ark, I'm actually really glad there is no Auction House. Not having to see a single gold selling bot is really nice.

[@LocalTennisPro]

A lot of people are forgetting a core component of seasonal resets, an economic reset. Seasonal resets traditionally in games like D2 and PoE reset the trade economy as well, which is exciting for a lot of people and intergrates into access to the new content that gets added. I could see a world where the lack of this in D4 is leaving a base of players with fewer reasons as to why they should participate in seasons, considering how poorly this game is at hiding its most grindy/tedious aspects.

[@leni3937]

to reset the econmy you first need a market or a trading system, you cant do shit in D4, and to whom will I sell those lvl100 required items that are the same than the level75 ?

[@brannyvr5728]

@@leni3937 That's exactly what the initial comment is saying.

[@Movie_Games]

That's fine. You guys can have all the new loot and economy. I just want to work on my battlepass and get the cosmetics on one character.

[@twizms2]

Fck trade

[@sriley4458]

​@brannyvr5728 the point you

[@MindlessTube]

Problem no one wants to relevel is cause they made leveling not fun in D4 with scaling. In PoE you can still find valuable resources at low lvl which can trade for good items, not so much in D4 other then maybe a good rerolled aspect which cant be traded.

[@connordutton674]

I definitely don't want to take every single character to level 100 multiple times.

[@F14Flier7]

100000%, level scaling is a problem. I understand why they made scaling, but there are a lot of adverse problems that haven't been fully thought through. I'm level 57 and JUST finished the campaign, I've ran into a lot of poor design with scaling throughout my campaign playthrough (was on World Tier II).

[@kit7412]

What class do you play if you don't mind me asking? I finished story at 42 as a rogue on World Tier II. I also find the scaling not that bad as a 71 rogue. I do have a 46 Necro which does offer some challenges and a 42 druid. I feel like a lvl 57 should have an easy time in World Tier II and should be in World Tier III regardless unless you're just not equipping gear your level.

[@naruto67845]

​@@kit7412bro Necro is a pain sometimes because you are so squishy

[@Kailis89]

I'm lvl 42 and just started act 2 haha

[@NukaColaCowboy]

Need to focus on % dmg bonuses, like boosts to dmg while enemies are cc’d/aloe’s etc. synergies are important too. You have to use your brain a bit, the game doesn’t just throw everything at you. Almost everything, but not all. If you see a weapon with more dmg, look at the stats, do they help YOUR abilities? If not, don’t upgrade. Read the tool tips and use your head. The level scaling is not a problem at all. I’m on world tier 4 on a 72 rogue and I absolutely destroy EVERYTHING. I’m on world tier 3 on a 44 sorc. Rolling thru shit. Use brain.

[@DadeMenace305]

Skill issue for sure. World teir 2 story was super easy. Beat it about 7 lvls under

[@wesmaxey7885]

Personally, I think if the side missions also carried over that would be enough. Strongholds and dungeons resetting makes sense due to the fact that seasons will likely freshen them up each time.

[@waylorudd1128]

Agreed. You have to do dungeons and strongholds to get to level 50 anyways. You are already doing dungeons don't know why asmongold is being mad about that.

[@chrisg8p]

the side quest are super tiresome i rather do Lilith statues at this point

[@Tsukareda]

@@chrisg8p After doing Lilith altars for 10 hours straight i am inclined to disagree...but you are right anyways

[@holleey]

@@waylorudd1128 you don't really have to "do the dungeons anyways". when I reached level 50 I perhaps did around 10 out of the idk 100+ dungeons?

[@Hemestal]

Yes please... the side quests are a drag

[@Shiirow]

the issue is the progression sort of plateaus at a certain point and the progression you get from that point is minimal at best. that just doesnt feel good and demotivates all but the most addicted to the gameplay loop.

[@SaltyMaud]

That's a good way to put it. My doubts started as soon as I hit T3, and by the time I was like 65 I was completely fed up with the game. For all intents and purposes, by the time you hit T3, you have reached endgame. The content doesn't change from there and with the D4 itemization your character isn't going to feel any different either. You do get _stronger,_ I mean the numbers do go up for sure, but once you have the basics of your build together, further gear upgrades have negligible impact on how your character actually plays. At that point it's a question of whether you enjoy the gameplay and content enough to keep grinding just for the sake of grinding. For me that's a easy nope. And I wanted this to be a 1000+ hour game, but I can't even make myself grind to 100 _once._

[@stuka80]

Im a veteran D2 and D3 player however, everything in D4 makes relevelling tedious and frustrating, from the nonsensical item levels where your alts cant even use drops from other higher level characters, to limited stash, to constant nerfs, to bad itemization, no social functions, excessive gold costs in rerolling and respeccing, like 5 uniques total for each class, no QoL, etc, etc. There's just so many problems with D4 that they all add up and just makes me lose motivation to grind out the levels like i did with D2 and D3.

[@caleballred3091]

I think trying to do raids for Diablo 4 would be awesome. Yeah it might be tough but I think a lot more players would continue to play if raids or other things were implemented

[@jaym2112]

This whole wow-ification of the IP is what turned diablo from one of the best franchises ever (in D1, D2) into what it is now. I swear WoW created a dark age in gaming that has yet to recover. The fact that "raiding" sounds good to anyone in any game has always been bizarre to me. It sounding good for a diablo game makes me feel like an outsider on an alien planet. No offense. If anything I'm jealous. If I liked that sort of thing, FPS games, and reality tv shows, I'd feel like I was living at the peak of human civilization or died and gone to heaven.

[@Phuzzi]

D3 was my first ARPG, and while I enjoyed the campaign enough, I didn't become a real fan who replayed often until Reaper of Souls. Fresh seasonal content and a reason to try another new build (usually due to balance changes and new gear) are really what get me hyped to play more.

[@sirjumbly]

Yes! Gear Sets made D3 so good especially with the release of the Kanai cube as well

[@fosphor8920]

try go back and beat Diablo 2 my friend, if you can stomach the outdated graphics it's a true gem of a game :)

[@janniknielsen9292]

@@sirjumbly Only vis a vis D4. It's already a pretty limited system, and the incentive to play a different character in the same class is only marginal better than D4, since you can change things on the fly on your first run.

[@Ziyoblader]

​@@sirjumblyI know right they're still many things that D3 got right that D4 is just missing even immortal has features that D4 is just lacking now that doesn't mean that D4 is bad far from it I'm enjoying the game and it's by far the best in the series right now for the visual story but with a few years under D4 belt it will be amazing installment to the series if they don't screw up with microtransactions getting in the way of playing the game keep it cosmetic and have a healthy cosmetic unlockable system for the game and d4 has a solid future

[@deaconfrost796]

@@fosphor8920 i still liked later half of diablo 3 better than diablo 2. One of my biggest annoyances with diablo 2 i hated was the shared loot and everyone is mass clicking to get something. Its such a huge put off. I was really hoping that D2R would of changed that and made individual loot but no. I could only stomach it for about a month before quit playing.

[@instinct2601]

d4 has been so good but once you hit like 70+ theres not much to go for other then grinding nightmare dungeons.

[@marcelbrosius841]

What about Pvp and helltides? I Love doing both from time to time

[@nikitamarynich1794]

@@marcelbrosius841 If you're playing PVP in Diablo, you haven't experienced real PVP games.

[@instinct2601]

@@marcelbrosius841 pvp is okay but its diablo not having unstoppable is throwing as cc spam is so bad in pvp

[@eilonz3333]

There should be way more strong and unique items like Harlequin Crest and Grandfather to chase (which can actually drop).

[@mintymus]

I agree, most items are so bland.

[@Shabbadu]

The problem I always saw considering season is that for some people they are simply to short to have a fullfilling experience. In the case of D4 I would be fine with one playthrough but for that the game is simply too expensive.

[@rgarrett15]

Serious question... What happend to Diablo dungeons where you go down levels? Why are all the new Diablo dungeons the same type of grab two objects open the super secret door and then kill the boss in the same circular room at the end of all carbon copy dungeon? Would like some more change ups on dungeons and add the classic goto level 10 and kill the boss down there; with a different layout than a circle.

[@jason19twofour]

That was the original way, keep going down.

[@v4vendetta237]

That's why diablo 2 is still the absolute pinnacle of arpgs

[@kabs1233]

@@v4vendetta237 seems like u never touched poe

[@sebastien953]

Having played most seasons of D3 and a few PoE seasons, I think the main issue is not necessarily restarting a character. It is how long it takes to reach 50. In D3, you can reach level 70 in a matter of hours if you know what you are doing. In D4, there does not seem to be a lot of ways to speed things up. Higher difficulty levels do not give that much benefit and it is not like you can jump to T6 temporarily if you find a good legendary. We will have to see how the first season turns out, but I would not be surprised if you got a significant XP boost for the first 50 levels compared to the eternal realm. Or maybe something similar to the set item caches but at a lower level. As for renown, I quite frankly do not want to farm this again either. At least not in its current state. The thing is, you will organically farm the first two levels of each region doing the campaign. But the rest feels like a time waster. Especially Lilith Altars. It seems nice at first to get the permanent stat boost, but once you unlock the paragon board, it seems pointless. You get more stat boost grinding one level than 10 altars.

[@sinisterwrld]

devs confirmed in camp fire talk #1 your renown will carry over to your seasonal character

[@sebastien953]

@@sinisterwrld No. They confirmed Lilith altars and map discovery would carry over including associated renown points. Which means you will get 2 out of 5 for each region. It is better than nothin, but you still have to grind for these potions and paragon points.

[@1982Mattyb]

In D4 you can reach 50 in like 10 hours maybe 15 and not be power leveled. I now have 3 characters 77barb 49 rogue 51 sorcerer. Barb took a while, the other 2 I hit world tier 3 in no time. I have 3 kids and a full time job, I get like 2 or 3 hours of anytime in a sitting at most. Leveling is quick and easy especially after recent patch. I agree with him it's the renown and side quest repeat.

[@damienpapson366]

I think the fundamental problem here is that seasons only make sense when the season brings things that make the game fresh and new. Blizz hasn't really talked about their plans for S1 so it's completely understandable that a newbie to ARPGs wouldn't be excited for a season. They are likely thinking it's a patch in another game where things are tweaked and legendary powers are added. If blizz delivers on seasons similar in scope to PoE seasons, then I think they will win over casuals.

[@Ooze74]

Yeah, but what if it would be just a patch where some things are tweaked?

[@chuggajr]

They won’t

[@Ooze74]

@@chuggajr now that's a level of hopium, even more than poe2 believers could ever have

[@GFClocked]

Casuals? Like the guy that said he's got 1h a day and he's lv11 after 2 weeks? Casual like my gf that is like level 12? C'mon, every single person here underestimates how hardcore they are by a factor of 1000.

[@garregalen83]

Still will be the same classes, same skills, mostly same quest, same areas.

[@kyleshuler2929]

I think the idea of adding raids and doing new stuff for eternal characters could be enjoyable alongside the seasons, and the seasonal characters will be able to do it too. No reason we can't have both.

[@Kittysune12]

raids isn't new thing on ARPG tho ? david brevik already create that on marvel heroes it was pretty succesfull from what i heard

[@kyleshuler2929]

@Dendyaryadi new to arpg maybe not but new to diablo. In hindsight I think the ship has sailed on this game and they missed thier chance. I haven't even thought about it since bg3 came out lol

[@raxg9078]

Asmon's breakdown at around 5:30 pretty much summed up the entire problem with the endgame, and why I stopped playing at level 61. Also I played a Druid, and our drops were bugged.

[@garincarter7279]

💯 agree!! I’m a lvl 62 Druid and have done NM dungeons, helltides, world bosses, reg dungeons, legion events, and completed majority of my side quest , and the drops are ridiculous!!! Nothing of use is getting dropped. Only same versions of things I already have with one attribute rolled higher……. Is depressing honestly

[@cringeworld9762]

Bro I can’t get past level 45-50 without getting bored I just keep making new characters and starting again

[@QuangTran-zy6sg]

Im playing druid too and i have a unique staff says that my claw skill will charge a elec strike and do aoe damge, but the problem is i dont want that attach to a staff and only staff -.-

[@marchewkaaron9951]

Damn I live the life being a casual and considering 80 hours in game a good trade off.

[@austinhodyniak8075]

Feel the same way. Realistically I will get hundreds of hours out of this game over the course over probably several years. Thats more than enough return on my investment for me personally.

[@invictuz4803]

@@austinhodyniak8075 People got no problem paying the same price for Switch Nintendo games but the hardcore gamers need to optimize the value for money they get from every dollar.

[@jokerwick]

$1 per hour or less = good value imo. D4 is definitely worth the money in that regard, even for hardcore players.

[@ahrenstarr6273]

24:20 I think he is saying, Seasonal characters moving to Eternal is a method for creating an alt. However, there is no reason you have to wait for a season to create an alt. And many people will reload the same class season over season.

[@dayoftherope1690]

Yeah I’ll play rogue and rogue only with build changes class feels good people just wanted an mmo but bought a seasonal arpg oh well just a lot less console players

[@xVandyLandx]

All battle passes have a free track and a paid track. They could easily do the same with the D4 battle pass, splitting between seasonal and eternal characters. That way the eternal players arent necessarily punished and the people who worked harder to re-grind for the season can still be rewarded for their efforts.

[@toptiertech7291]

Which stuff is free? That’s the problem

[@secxy6787]

Maybe I'm weird but I quite like leveling the same class for different builds. As a big time DnD player, I often play the same class and have them feel completely different. I equate the two, since they are both fantasy games for fun. I'll add though, that having a 'loadout' style system would be great to have.

[@mivuh]

you are indeed weird my friend. but everyone on their own

[@fpty]

I would totally re-level a class for different builds, but I'm gonna need way more than 10 character slots first

[@varoux4278]

It's like when I'd solo play ark and reset the map. Everyone has their niche game they can replay alot

[@johnkim6153]

its great for super extreme casuals that play 40 minutes every 5 days. i dont want to reset my character every 100 hours. this is what gives d4 the dooming feeling. you get closer and closer to getting forced to start from scratch as you play

[@2Jackrabbit]

glad someone finally drew the progression on a curve, its the exact issue i was discussing with game designer friends. the issue is purelu the fact that no item ever matter for huge amount of play time, reach lvl 50, get the gear then never change anything until 70, then the same thing.

[@hamsterrwrld6767]

I'm 65 and have been getting better gear almost everytime i leave a dungeon. Sounds like a skill issue.

[@TheMasterblah]

​@@hamsterrwrld6767you're telling me that you're getting a piece of gear that has the stats you need, but better than what you have equipped 100% of the time? Sounds like a lie. All of my gear at level 64 has the skill boosts, stat bonuses, and damage modifiers I need and only swap them out when I find something that's overall better. You're not finding that every time you loot a dungeon.

[@Pivitrix]

@@hamsterrwrld6767 What are you talking about, 99.9% of my drops are just actual junk. It's a damn office job sifting through all this trash. Finding legendaries isn't a reward, it's a chore.

[@greenbean4422]

​@hamsterrwrld6767 it's not about better gear, it's about that gear being built for the same purpose There's not a lot of build parity- you can pretty much create your intended build by level 50 and just find upgrades of the stuff you're using from then on out It's uninteresting

[@Delnorei]

Nah his curve is way off, because he (like many people) has been levelling with normal dungeons. The d4 power progression is more like the PoE one if you level with Nightmare dungeons because of Glyphs on the paragon board, each spike occuring when you hit level 15 on a glyph and it's effect area increases, hitting more magic nodes and (with most, but not all) powering them up by usually 100%+ Way too many people sleeping on glyphs and the power they provide when levelled.

[@junitsu00]

Every game encounters this one problem at some point. "I can play this game, OR I can do this other thing. Which is more fun and a better value for my time?" In the economy of free time & fun, grinding out 50 more levels to 100 for marginally better gear is currently facing FF16. Every hour of FF16 is more interesting, entertaining, and fun.

[@Heiwananas]

Every hour of just looking at a wall is more interesting than griding this shit game

[@sdfsdfsdfsdf9966]

Uh no. Ff16 is a shit game

[@spognebob]

As a casual player just as you say i want the season stuff in eternal form, I did not like d3 for many reasons but d2r I have ALOT of hours in, the thing is that I level a char, then I play something else for a while, then I come back to diablo to keep gearing up that char, if my friends play they start on ladder so I can't play with them without doing a new character and by the time I'm at the end game I start playing something else again and that is why the resetting of ladders don't work for me (at least now, if it were 6months ladders then ok), because I never reach endgame with the Ubers and all fun after lvl 90 in d2r ladder. So an eternal version like d3 had where you can enter the ladder with a previous char in a separate eternal ladder/season would be perfect! This is ONE of the reasons I don't buy d4 which I have longed for since the release of d3 since I hated d3

[@seanwolf8394]

I mean the endgame doesn't exist lol

[@MrAudisek]

They will probably add more endgame content every season. There's still hope.

[@Mempavrai]

@@MrAudisek copium

[@Mempavrai]

@@MrAudisek still a blizzard game

[@SteveFlener]

I’m only at level 54 but just don’t feel the need to keep going. I enjoyed the story but now my character feels weak and I don’t feel like grinding the same stuff over just to get the same items at higher score

[@booprice5473]

@@SteveFlenerlol

[@charntsabre3463]

I liked how in Diablo 3 whenever you finished a season all your paragon levels moved over to all your normal characters paragons. If you got to paragon 1,000 in D3's season then all that experience when towards your other normal characters when that season ended. Does diablo 4 do something similar to that?

[@Invie4196]

How could we know the season hasn't even started

[@myrkrormr]

diablo 4 doesnt have seasons yet. furthermore, Paragon levels are part of your characters ACTUAL level in Diablo 4. you get skill points up to level 49 and then 50-100 is Paragon. but unlike diablo 3, simply getting paragon levels actually makes you stronger, because they are actual character levels. so transfering paragon levels to non season characters probably wouldnt work, because they are not the same as in D3

[@charntsabre3463]

@@Invie4196 reread what I wrote. I am talking about what they did in diablo 3. And diablo 3 is on season 28. So, that's how I know.

[@DantesBlowtorch]

I didn't even know that happened. I wonder what paragon my characters on normal realm in D3 have. I farmed above 3k paragon like 15 seasons in a row, but I never made a normal character or even logged onto old characters after their season ended.

[@TheMasterblah]

​@@charntsabre3463reread what you wrote. You literally asked if Diablo 4 will do the same thing as Diablo 3. The answer is no anyway, paragon doesn't work the same way in 4

[@Nezumikniver]

I sincerely liked a number of the side quests. I liked the quest with the goose sign. Was sentimental and felt genuine.

[@Un-motivated]

Prolly not gonna like doing them over again every season. Quests lose a lot of their value when you know what exactly is going to happen and can eventually recite it word for word.

[@abenteuererleben5091]

The ones in Hawezar are fun too.

[@Yemeth42pis]

I agree, one of the better quest. And a throw back to diablo 1 at that.

[@ghostplasma-hh4ld]

Two problems Too many people spreading false information that didn't play the game And nobody knows there's a major update and dlc because they can't read

[@gollese]

​@@ghostplasma-hh4ldYeah.

[@johnnythedark3090]

Asmongold "There is no enough grind in diablo 4" vs Asmon "I don't want to waste 20h on grind"

[@MikeTall88]

Grind =/= pointless grind. Glad to help you out brother, spread the word!

[@cheeselovernation]

I get why you need to create another character, I just don't get the point of leveling my current character and trying to get better armor for literally no reason

[@demonicell]

I agree. I am basically playing to set myself up for seasons.

[@kriss1_]

Your current character is there to play any time you want. No need to play season realm if you don't want to.

[@davidt5200]

Raids in Diablo is a great idea. Also tier 5 is a must

[@dougfoster445]

I think most people would change their mind about doing renown each season is if blizzard made leagues that involves redoing them that offers cool rewards. My guess is that’s something they’re gonna do

[@miceatah9359]

copium

[@Herogaze]

I bought diablo 3 back in the day and didnt know anything about aRPGs at the time. then when i got through the story and learned that aRPGs are literally just the exact same thing over and over again I learned that I didnt like aRPGs. These new players are about to learn why the genre is niche and isnt popular

[@MC-1976Mei]

Exactly!

[@Tayles]

I miss the days of putting magic find gear on and farming for uniques. This was my fav thing to do because there was an economy around the items. This is what they are missing.

[@phoenix92890]

That would be horrible and invite the Chinese farmers

[@Tayles]

@@phoenix92890 That was the main reason for ladder resets. When the world item economy became too inflated, time to reset.

[@Groinattack1]

24:10 Levelling in D3 seasons was also wayyyy quicker than in D4 I feel

[@loganspurlin]

Yea run a rift and gaining enough xp to level a few times was not only quicker but fun to see your strengths come out rift to rift I'm hoping they add some content that's just jump in and massacre monsters like rifts again

[@jessebensen3569]

I think that Black Desert has all but perfected the concept of "seasons" in an online RPG. They're primarily used as a means to drastically speed up and improve the new player experience, but they're rewarding enough that most veteran players still engage with them. You create a new season character, and if a player has already completed the main story on a different character, they're able to skip the story on their season character. The season objectives are substantial for new players, but veterans are able to complete them within a few days if they know what they're doing. Vets come for the rewards and gear-capped open world pvp, while new players use them to speed up early game progression. In the end, they don't take over the entire game as most players will eventually spend the bulk of their game time on the normal servers.

[@TheShattan]

True seasons and the streams were they announce all the new stuff(and give actually meaningful twitch drops and codes) keep the game alive. Made me come back few times

[@seriousreport6743]

I agree completely and i always us BDO as an example of how to do seasons.

[@AlexJay95]

The main problem is that Blizzard made the game feel like an MMO and not like a traditional diablo game. Ofcourse people don't want to re level 1-2 months after the games release... If you're doing quests and exploring in an open world with other people and towns etc it feels bad to start over. The game doesn't feel like it's meant to have ladder resets

[@__Poindexter__]

I feel like I need more noticeable armor effects or at least one more active ability per class. Twisting blades is cool but I'm basically doing the same 3 things on repeat. I wish I had just 1 more ability or some cool visual proc besides penitent greaves. Almost like vampire survivors but maybe not quite as nuts

[@stephenmessana5712]

Yeah totally agree. It’s so boring pressing 2 buttons and seeing same animations forever. Need slightly more diversity and combos of attacks a little more like lost Ark IMO. Like even make the basic left click attack have different animations like GW2 auto attacks have 3 parts with 3 animations

[@kasken719]

That is díablo. It's been that way for almost 2 decades. The game is mind numbing and that's the appeal I guess.

[@Alejandro_87]

I agree, skill VFX should scale with level

[@Iives.tesIa-officiaI]

Run a different class or build. My druid build has me doing a lot of interesting things at once personally, probably just a twisted blade rogue thing

[@Hypno_BPM]

@@stephenmessana5712what’s the difference between Diablo 4 and Diablo 2 ? Diablo and ARPGs are pretty simple and repetitive , that’s the genre.

[@filipkompanik6235]

One thing that came to my mind about the renown thing... if I recall to progress the battle pass, there are bunch of objectives required to do. I would bet that doing side quests in each region is going to be required to progress the pass anyway, so renown or not, battlepass is gonna force us to do all kinds of side content we might prefer to avoid otherwise. Sure you don't have to do all of them, but if certain things are BS like PvP, skipping quests is likely not gonna be an option. I guess we will really see how first season goes. Also something is telling me the "long grind" to 100 is there because now because of XP boosts in battlepass.

[@westlink1985]

If players are forced to grind renown and side content each season just to progress the battle pass, then I think even veteran players will start to leave the game.

[@squ1r7y]

27:30 for me the reason id replay a d2 season was for the season only runewords. These items could only be created on the season. Once the seasonal character when to non ladder you could trade that now unobtainable item for profit. Seasons were used for generating game wealth to create a stronger version of your main characters. Pvp setups on d2 were extremely expensive. Im still playing d2 couldnt be bothered with d4.

[@phantombigboss8429]

cry some more

[@squ1r7y]

@@phantombigboss8429 what are you talking about?

[@kinko3464]

I would hate to do renown, Lilith statue, discovering the whole map again. Just so I could start my season

[@keith3556]

I don’t understand why they don’t just have a season progression bar that’s separate from regular xp and renown. That way if you wanted to use a built character regardless of your level you could

[@dayoftherope1690]

Worse part of ever arpg is being bis that’s the finish line no point in plying if your full bis. The entire point is going on journey with a new build and items or a new complete class once you get bis you do your end game goal and either wait for next season or reroll this isn’t an mmo

[@DantesBlowtorch]

@@dayoftherope1690 Even in MMO being bis sucks. What's the point in raiding if you have all the gear you need? I totally agree with you though.

[@Kruwos]

Because the more time you waste on the game the higher the chance you will spend money on the cash store. This is the go to strategy for game design when the game has a premium currency shop.

[@savic1984]

Redoing strongholds sounds good. I dont mind having to do side quests too much. Maybe they can just like ten times the renown you get from them so you dont have to spend so much time on them

[@SaltyMaud]

Redoing strongholds unironically sounds good. They are better content than any of the "115" dungeons.

[@Frozendude19]

@@SaltyMaud The strongholds were the best content in the entire game and there were only a handful per zone and they are one time only. Nightmare strongholds would have been so much better than nightmare dungeons. I would love to see nightmare stronghold sigils drop in very low rates alongside nightmare dungeon sigils further down the road.

[@TheWatcher860]

D3 leveling and D4 leveling are very different beasts. I played many D3 season and leveling is super easy then getting gear. In D4 i feel the leveling process is so much more of a grind feast and the scaling i think is still off and awful.

[@MagicalMowgli]

Spoken like a true D3 player.

[@onnol917]

The world is so much better then d3

[@bz0rrr]

Everyone out here expecting to be max level and geared out within a week or two are nuts. D3 really made people into babies.

[@reallyreal8055]

​@@bz0rrrD3 is superior gameplay for average people

[@ASAP1991]

“After 16 hours you’re only level 11??… tf?!” 🤣💀

[@davidpineda5500]

They should’ve capped gear power corresponding to your level. So at level 90 you would get 700+

[@daviduliasz2437]

D3 leveling and D4 leveling I don't really think are comparable. I would have my D3 seasonal characters leveled up in the first day or two of a new season depending on how many hours I wanted to put in on the start date. D4 is a much slower pace in my experience so far, so unless they come out with T4 Neph rifts to pump your level 11 character's experience in adventure mode, I think it's going to be a different experience. That said, what's the point of a season if you're not starting from scratch? If you're not interested in that prospect, you can just play your characters on the permanent realm and ignore seasonal content until, as Blizzard has stated, some of those aspects make their way to permanent content.

[@qp2044]

Different experience for sure but level 100 seems more aking to paragon 1000 in d3 to me. Just a different name

[@bbbblllack]

There’s a permanent realm?

[@mrandersen6872]

​@@bbbblllacketernal realm

[@nikovz4719]

I think what people forget is that leveling exp was increase as seasons progressed. In the beginning of launch, leveling was the same shit.

[@oreoyo5639]

You are comparing seasonal leveling vs d4 no seasonal leveling? Like why? Wait til season 1 to compare.

[@baptistamercado1380]

46:30 I totally agree. I would love to see raids in D4. However, I would prefer the raids have a low skill barrier for entry, but a high skill cap ceiling. I.e., I would like the world tiers to allow raids to cater to both the casual player (who wants to have fun and attain gear) and the hardcore raider (who wants a team work challenge).

[@GrinnR]

I don't know why people don't consider Lost Ark an ARPG. LA has all the exact same features, plays the same, looks the same, and doesn't require anyone start at level 1 to get new content.

[@benjaminbeier4036]

I really enjoyed the old Diablo games and also love PoE, although I absolutely hate the concept of grinding dungeons for hours and days. As a casual player I simply get enough fun out of those ARPG games before I get bored or annoyed and move on to different game. I see absolutely no problem with the current season concept for myself. Will simply keep playing my characters in the eternal realm and use the seasons as an opportunity to start with a new class. I already know that character slots won't be an issue as I will be gone after 3 seasons or so. And I also already know that I will eventually return to the game some months or years later and happily restart with a new character to enjoy everything that changed in the meantime.

[@question3v3ryth1ng5]

That's what I like about PoE. By now, there are so many ways to level and look for gear/items outside of just map running ad infinitum. Blizzard has got to be pretty out of the loop to not look at all the things PoE does right and learn from it. Just same stupid mistakes all over again. Frustrating when people don't learn. Way more frustrating when AAA companies can't.

[@benjaminbeier4036]

@@question3v3ryth1ng5 I actually think they will take a lot of inspiration from PoE. But you have to keep in mind that all those features were developed incrementally over many years and seasons. Blizzard can't just craft all of this out of thin air.

[@HEARTBEATexe]

Kinda true, I’m level 80 right now and bored as f.

[@johndymond4596]

I hit 85 and went rogue

[@Down_Pat]

same, 83, hard to desire any further pushing. making an alt is just as off-putting because of how long it's going to take to get to 75, on top of clearing all the map, waypoints etc all over again.

[@Peanutfiendsblog]

It's just not that fun of a grind. That's the issue. Lack of variety. Lack of ways to increase loot by amping difficulty. Nightmare dungeons seem extremely underwhelming rewards/time spent. I have all 6 of my glyphs i use to level 17 and im level 92 and im getting really bored. In POE i can have fun for like a solid month before I burn out. I don't see the seasons in d4 being fun unless there are massive changes and additional content.

[@lierce6130]

Asmongold is literally my news outlet for the entire gaming industry. great channel tbh

[@Dbars19]

yep, once he starts covering irl events he gets really cringe though.

[@teuton6821]

@@Dbars19 differs from my opinion = cringe

[@rcane6842]

@@teuton6821 you're god damn right

[@Lovehandle-on8gq]

Asmon gets sponsored off stream...He gets alot of money to pass on news... D4 is his latest sponsor.

[@Lovehandle-on8gq]

Asmon gets sponsored off stream...He gets alot of money to pass on news... D4 is his latest sponsor.

[@Sheriff_K]

They should let eternal realm players be able to progress a portion of the Battle Pass (the parts that don't require Season mechanics), that'd just be a win/win for the people who don't want to re-level and Blizzard's wallets.. and the people who DO play the Season will have access to more of the contents of the Battle Pass for their "prestige."

[@turtlepowerftw3524]

I just hope all this attention to the game doesn’t end up being what ruins the game

[@chaosdragun1608]

My biggest issue is i dont have all day to play so the reset is more painful. Ive played seasons in D2 & D3 but life has adjusted so my preferences have as well. I dont understand why they cant separate ladder vs non ladder and drop the seasons updates on both realms but only reset the ladder side chase

[@sdfsdfsdfsdf9966]

you clearly didnt have the time to watch the video. why don't you just wait a season out if you have no time to play? that's what I am planning. I got more important things to do like expanding my business.

[@chaosdragun1608]

@@sdfsdfsdfsdf9966 no I watched the video in its entirety. I want to see what seasons look like before I decide but without more info it's just where I'm feeling

[@kirbyr558]

Itemization in diablo 2 was almost perfect for an invested player. Uniques could have been stronger but chasing high runes and godly rares has provided tens of thousands of hours of play. The more popular D3 and 4 have significantly simpler itemization. D4 is just a refined version of Reaper of Souls.

[@TheChimples]

Only for people who have no lives.

[@kirbyr558]

@@TheChimples where do you think you are?

[@TheChimples]

@@WayneTwitch imagine being proud of no-lifing a video game lmao

[@winterthewolf2926]

Honestly I feel there's a huge difference between feeling like you are done with a character and starting a new one, vs being told you have to restart if you want to experience new content, and a battlepass. This being said, this game really needs some kind of endgame fun. Let me go boss rush, or gather keys or something. Give me things to chase, don't just tell me I'm done with a character. At this state, I don't know if d4 will hold a fraction of the time I invested in diablo 2 as a kid.

[@Andypwns2864]

People didnt even reach lvl 100 and they want to start the season so soon wtf

[@Andypwns2864]

@@WayneTwitch Theres a trophy for lvl 100 on console If you didnt know

[@corey552]

I think alot of this comes from the general mindset of new players thinking D4 is closer to a MMO. They think theyll have one character that develops across all content with new lvl caps and such. This is not the case.

[@Graymore84]

Imagine if Diablo 2 did not have hell mode and all of the sudden at the end of Nightmare the end game boss was hell difficulty Bhaal in nightmare and the entire end game was min maxing nightmare stats to try and kill Hell bhaal. That is current Diablo 4.

[@phillippatryndal4255]

*Diablo - (Baal was in the expansion, which D4 hasn't had yet :P )

[@Graymore84]

@@phillippatryndal4255 Right, but you get the logic of the argument right…

[@JohnANellis]

I miss being able to farm gear for my alts like you could in D2. Say a sword for my barb while playing a sorc. Magic find gear, real potions like in D2, mana/life leach gear, and continuous use of skills. I also miss the charms from D2. Maybe they will add some of this back in. Would help with end game.

[@brentrich16]

Diablo 2 is just a fundamentally more satisfying game, at it's core, than Diablo 4. What Diablo needs is almost to just be entirely reworked (but that's basically impossible)

[@via_negativa6183]

I just hit 81 on my Necromancer, with all major glyphs levelled to at least 15 and I have had about enough considering my gears pretty hard to upgrade at this point. I'm gonna take a break and save the other characters for the seasonal content, I'm not sure what everyone's crying so hard about, theres more than one class in this game. Blizzard paying the price of popularity I guess.. That said I completely understand the reluctance around the renown grind, cause I definitely don't want to do that again either.

[@ELGUAPOIV]

Stop crying about renown reset you casual.

[@backwardsbradsmith1815]

a good way to fix the renown situation they are having would be every season instead kf taking away renown they should just add 500 renown farm and make a new renown reward every season so you can piggyback off what you have and still do content

[@noizy514]

If you want to farm lower level content, craft a lower level sigil at the ocultist. A level 1 sigil will give you level 55 mobs, and you'll get more sigils dropping around that level in the dungeon. The argument the level scaling prevents you doing that is misguided.

[@Killercoldice22]

The arguement is. Theres no fucking end game. Why am I doing these nightmare dungeons over and over again since lvl 50

[@OmaLotte]

@@Killercoldice22 for the Numbers! xD

[@marthadelarossa]

even if the game has the end game. u cant properly build ur character theres no mitigation.. just got random 1 shot. they should add voice line follow by 1 shot mechanic

[@tylerwoodrow9606]

Diablo 3 also had a rebirth function so that if someone was attached to their character you could use the same character on seasons( yes you still had to re-level) but at least you can keep using the character you liked

[@sebicmiel4221]

Really?😳 How do you do that?

[@davidmaltais2912]

You lose all items.... It's still the exact same thing you just keep the character name lol

[@txivneebswafflesandshroom]

@@davidmaltais2912lol

[@edwardhart5565]

This is 2023. The file size for the game isn’t that big. If call of duty’s can give us a whole new 50GB map the we can get new 25MB dungeons. Thanks

[@turtlemaster9000]

You're gonna be forced to do that in D4 pretty soon cos there's only 10 hero slots, compared to 14 in D3, or even 20 in D2R.

[@leetwafflez]

I just want more variety in dungeons... I'm tired of the same do X get Y.

[@booyaah82]

I'd like to see more Pinnacle bosses and more difficult bosses in general. Hell the raid bosses die in 10 sec right now any ways. I also think t5 should be at lvl 100 so you actually have some kind of progression to look forward to at end game...maybe t5 armor only drops at NM 50+ and t5 uniques only drop at NM T80 and above.

[@Fuzely]

I agree, but there needs to be some new stuff to do between Lvl 70-100. I'm already getting kinda bored. Is that bc I'm new to aRPG's or is that an issue with the game? Idk to be honest but I'd love stuff like Raids in D4 since this game was marketed more like an MMO than a standard Diablo, that's what got me interested.

[@mattbooy1635]

@@Fuzely Nah your right, when your build is basically done your essentially farming for no gear. The same happened again for me at lvl 55 when i had full build with sacreds. Just quickly farmed to 60 so i could start wearing the next tier gear.

[@yavorchernaev39]

It's really annoying when I am deep into a dungeon and the game just closes on it's own - spits me into xbox home menu...and that's regular!

[@sonsoffishes1]

Completely agree with Asmongold. I'm level 97 Barb with almost perfect gear. I have better stats that Rob does on his build that he beat level 100 nightmare. There hasn't been anything that fun to do for quite a while. As soon as I hit about 85 and my build and gear was looking good and I could start clearing lvl 65 Nightmares, everything went downhill in terms of fun. Once you start pushing 80 plus nightmare, at least for Barbs, it's a wait for shouts, run in and do a bunch of damage, kite for 5 seconds, rinse and repeat style of play. That's all that's left. They need tier 5 and they need more end game activities cause it's boring. So am I excited to level a new character so I can reach the axis point he described and have no fun again? Nope.

[@dayoftherope1690]

Welcome to arpg what did you think season 0 would be it’s just a foundation for seasons to use. Every arpg hit a plateau you take break wait for the next season. It’s the cycle for every arpg. Start fresh lvl up gear up try new builds/class get bis do the pinnacle end game then wait for next season zzzzz

[@djkidii]

@@dayoftherope1690 xD rly i think i cann spam like retard my skill like in d2/d3 :D not 3 times use skill and i dont have mana

[@officerholdmybeer]

Keeping the map points open and Alters of Lilith makes sense with renown. Skipping campaign with new character, side quests are XP toward levels besides just grinding dungeons.

[@X8551516]

I've played past Diablo games and knew seasons are a thing. They've just never been something I've cared about because fun for me is having a permanent character I always have a way to make better. That said though, I was under the impression the whole reason D4 was an "online" game was you would be able to make BP progress on non-seasonal characters and now knowing season and non-season are practically completely different games, I'm now mad because if you don't care about seasons, there's literally no reason you should have to be online to play permanent characters, that's a load of bs. I was thinking the BP was gonna be content for everyone and seasons were just for bonus rewards just like how they worked in D3. I'm now worried that those of us who don't care about seasons are gonna be left with jack **** to do.

[@jerstah]

For the first season yeah, nothing new. The game won't change much, builds will. There shouldn't be a battle pass at all. When the second season drops you will get new stuff. The only real difference is the starting line. S1 is seasonal starting line, S2 is the eternal starting line.

[@jacksonsailliez685]

I’m new to these types of games and I am having a blast playing with my lvl 63 barb. I honestly don’t mind restarting a different character from scratch. Gives me new opportunities to experience different classes and builds.

[@DD-ec2oq]

Hell yeah thats what arpgs are really about

[@andrewtoledo181]

The concept of starting a new character for seasons isn't even new. It's in Poe, diablo 2, and diablo 3 🤷‍♂️

[@Hekk.]

Why would you mind if getting to 60 is like 20 hours tops.

[@TheRealZero997]

If you want to play a mmo play wow Diablo is not a mmo and never will be I hate all these new players crying over seasons it's a arpg that's how they all work and people love this style of play keeps the game refreshing

[@shadruh3307]

Where's the rule that genres can't mix game play systems? Who made that rule?

[@Aodan]

I'm 93, solo T60s, cleared T75, slowly working to 100 to maybe clear Uber Lilith prior to S1. You can still get better rolled gear, but as you said Asmon, I think T60+ NM is really meant for 850-900 Ilevel gear, we would get in WT5. T75+ is basically trying to avoid getting 1-shotted.

[@CedricBassman]

@@DavDav2233_ It's a staple of every arpg ever that the mobs outscale you hard. Even in PoE, run maps high enough and mobs will absolutely oneshot you if you don't move accordingly.

[@SwiFTDBL]

I’m over here still grinding D2R ladder having a blast on a daily basis. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@v3ktors]

They need those last 20 levels to actually provide a concrete power increase and have more power behind paragon points. POE gets on average played up to 90-92 and most builds take that into account, and that's when you usually get some build forming talents (either defensively, support wise or offensively). Diablo gives you 5 strength.. or worse... 5 willpower ^_^

[@DragonofJund]

5 willpower is good stuff for my Druid

[@groovydespairgod5190]

They need actual content fam other than slaughter everything u see its literally the whole game and for 2023 that’s just lacking lmao there’s not even monogames or anything just kill wow

[@christop3]

Paragon is a necessity in Diablo 4, where most games its a benefit. You usually would farm a tree like that to become more than what you normally are, thus going out of your way to get all the renown ones, lilith altars, etc. Instead its like "well shit, its barely a power upgrade and its got a time sink mechanic where i gotta level the everloving fuck out of these glyphs to keep up" Bad system much like the 15 stat affixes that collide with one another and just created inflated itemization because of multiple bad stat lines or multiple god statlines. Which also is lowkey mandatory aswell. For how jacked my barb was with like 80% perfect gear in the 70 bracket week 1, theres no reason I should have been struggling the way I was to dps, even if it was a nonmeta build I had an insane set for my build. Then switch to rogue and its like "oh this is what power is like" lol. Idk, i miss BlizzNorth, they had a good handle on ARPGs, D3 onward was just designed so badly and they took the fun out of the games in my opinion. It's just a swarm of sponge grinding. Idk if anyone else would agree but I feel like 30% of my D4 playtime was looking over gear and deciding what to keep or toss, where a game like D2 even a newbie would have a good grasp of whats worth keeping or tossing because its pretty clearly indicated.

[@v3ktors]

@@christop3 an item filter would fix that, would love to be able to select some stats and just pick up those and that's all. But yea, kind of like what I said earlier, Paragon isn't rewarding enough as a single reward. An ARPG where the xp is the reward is bad. Seasons will need to be amazing but more importantly, they will need to become part of the core game (since the core game is bland AF right now)

[@v3ktors]

@@groovydespairgod5190 It's an ARPG killing things is the point, the reward for doing that should be more than XP, that's why the seasons will either make or break D4, and consider how lackluster the end game is now, I don't have much hope for the seasons either tbh

[@armanov1251]

I feel as finishing a season in diablo 3 felt nice. You got some sick wings and if felt relevant to do because you did it from the beginning. Doing the seasonal challanges on a max lvl character wouldnt be a challange which deminishes the value of the rewards.

[@jabronijake2524]

I loved the game from levels 1-70. Currently 79 and ive lost all steam. Back to wow i guess.

[@spoonherr]

Same, after level 70 (currently 78) i've been burned out. I would like to try new builds on alts or different classes. The main problem is leveling from 1. Off course this was the case in D3, but you could be carried to max level in 2/3 hours. The game starts from that point forward in my opinion.

[@antvn222]

Lol back to a WORSE game with horrible endgame?

[@2012Nikos]

@@antvn222 you are mental if u think wow is worse with horrible endgame, get a grip

[@obi-wan3916]

Level 80 is the shit spot where everything feels extremely grindy but you can't have fun with a maxed out character yet with those really big damage numbers. As many people have said, the game needs WT5 with additional WT5 specific events and content.

[@nohvis4435]

Funny how Asmon always emphasizes that Diablo 4 is a game made for casuals but then gets upset when they post their casual takes

[@MC-1976Mei]

He's a CLOWN & a HYPOCRITE!

[@Ocean5ix]

The problem with builds is not level scaling IMO, it's the fact that in this game builds either obliterate packs OR single target, at least for leveling. So what ends up happening is that people play one build to go through the open world and dungeons and want to switch to another one every time there's a boss.

[@DasAngryGerman]

there is only one boss worth swapping to single target, every boss that isnt lilith is easier than random packs of elites

[@Wraiven22]

Cries in ice shard sorcerer. Great at groups, terrible at bossing. Feels really bad blowing through mobs and then feeling extremely weak at the end of the dungeon fighting the boss

[@nathr7375]

@@Wraiven22 I run ice shard and have no issue, you might need to tweak ur build.

[@calebhoffman6368]

IMO D4 has a lot of problems. Your first time through you will have a lot of fun and if you love to grind to min max you’ll have a lot of fun as well. I’ve had a lot of fun playing but I can see some crippling problems. To start the end game loop isn’t that fun or rewarding. In D2 I could keep going because even after I had min maxed a character I could still randomly find the best drop ever and sell it for a boat load. Which leads to the problem of economy. A big part of seasons and starting fresh was to reset the economy and a big part of the fun was building wealth to make super awesome builds on different characters. Which leads to my next problem of being alt unfriendly. This game has made it so tedious to make another character. Everything from renown to side quests. D2 had a nice system where your first character would take a bit but if you knew what you were doing and played with a group you could get it done and your second character would be even faster.

[@weluvfloat]

i think if D4 followed a slightly different route, where they maybe added more endgame activity maybe pvp arenas, dungeons, raids , and etc. And each season followed Item level change rather than a " level change" would be beneficial for the casual players complaining about not enough time

[@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I think they should make the game into world of warcraft too, great idea

[@king715168]

i replayed hades a hundred times, always felt fresh and enjoyable , don’t think d4 will last as long

[@Seb_Falkor]

I swear, this ‘controversy’ highlights the entire problem I have with modern gaming mindsets. People care about being ‘done’ or getting an achievement without actually enjoying the process of doing that thing. Everything is about progression and ‘content’ and no longer the fun of the thing

[@KatapultGaming]

Renown farming in seasons should work the same as creating alts: the main bonuses (skill points, paragon points, etc.) should be account-bound and only needs to be unlocked once. The bottom bonuses (+xp / +gold) should be the only part you need to re-farm in seasons. The fun parts of Diablo games is killing monsters and obtaining loot. Side-quests with long non-skippable dialogues and long non-skippable animations slows down the game. Having to redo side-quests means that every season you'll have 25+ hours of boring content you have to get through to unlock your paragon points. Spending 50+ hours to clear the map, get the altars, finish the side-quests, etc. is ok-ish to do once (dialogues / animations should be sped up, and more skippable, or the action should continue while the talking goes on). But don't make us redo the boring parts every season.

[@ExeErdna]

Then remember they said they're gonna ad story content as well. So end game is gonna be playthrough the story and all the sides again.

[@ExeErdna]

@@mrii114 Yup every season is gonna be "FINE" for casuals that just got into the game. Yet players its hell

[@Hudelf]

I think the entire issue is how quickly Season 1 is starting after the launch of the game. Diablo 2's and 3's first season were years after launch, I think both after the launch of their expansions. Diablo 4 is starting their season like a month after launch, which feels much different.

[@MC-1976Mei]

Exactly!

[@akhsdenlew1861]

exactly... we're almost at season 1 and people are barely at WT4...

[@tomas_esconjaureguy]

99% of players complaining will be moving on to the next mainstream game by the time s1 drops

[@Wulfspyder]

Allowing regional renown to be account wide entirely would be nice, but say sidequest objectives reset so you still have them for leveling if you want, but you don't have to run around doing all the side stuff.

[@doomguy8324]

Naw. That would actually make the game fun. And that's clearly not what they were going for.

[@BBlueu2]

D2 didn't have seasons. D2: Lord of Destruction had seasons YEARS later. So Zizaran is lying if he doesn't want to admit that. I know Asmongold didn't bother playing D2 for some bizarre reason, but played carebear Diablo 3.