Guide to the Gray Waste of Hades | D&D Planescape

[@PlanktonWhisperer]

Wade: "I'm gonna scale down my vids". Also Wade: No hate tho. Love those things being given love.

[@youcantbeatk7006]

I always liked and thought it was a very smart decision to deliberately have contradictory myths in the D&D lore because not only does it put the players in their character's shoes for not fully knowing the lore, but it also gives DMs ways to have mysteries and plot twists built into the setting even if the players know the lore intimately.

[@aaronarndt5956]

I really enjoyed the video! The good vs evil concept is very complex, and I found your discussion of it quite interesting. Selfishness (evil) is hard to tease apart from individualism (chaotic). It is much easier to differentiate law (commitment to rules) from good (altruism) which suggests good vs evil and law vs chaos are not equivalent ends of a spectrum but in fact slightly different constructs. Anyway, it is interesting to think about.

[@suy21]

Damn, I just watched the first minutes and I am loving it as usual. You have a talent for making good scripts for this. The philosophy of Planescape and the alignments are something that you excel at IMHO. I have watched many of your other videos about philosophy/ethics and it shows that it's something in which you are informed about.

[@WadeAllen001]

Thanks for checking out my other videos!

[@littlehorn1213]

I'm not usually a commenter but this cat's channel is fuckin amazing. Thanks and keep em' coming Mr. Allen.

[@joemeenie]

I like this video. The fact that you don't just read the wiki pages to us is a breath of fresh air. And you discuss and address lore inconsistencies and don't just gloss over them is helpful. Well done.

[@glamourweaver]

My alignment hottake on explaining neutral evil is that while Vader who was in part corrupted by his desire to bring Peace and Order to the Galaxy is Lawful Evil - Palpatine who is ONLY self-interested, and causes widespread chaos as willingly as crushing tyranny to seize what he wants is actually Neutral Evil, despite often being used as an example of Lawful Evil.

[@bretrohde7300]

Yep, Palpatine’s the man.

[@darthbrooks4933]

Vader is the paragon of LE

[@popechucky]

I try to explain it as a Sociopath

[@thomaselminster774]

Nope. Palpatine is LE because he seized power and held it to protect the galaxy from outer galaxy conquerors (forgot the name an OP biomechanical race)

[@popechucky]

@ agreed, but he did all that for his own ends.. at best, I’d call him NE, with LE tendencies… Again, all THAT was for his own ends.. I do see where you are coming from👍

[@VictorMTaveras]

Awesome, I gotta put on a pot of coffee for this one. 😊 I have actually been rereading Manual of the Planes.

[@gabrieldixon9621]

As much as I do find yugoloths/daemons interesting I have to admit I never use them I find they muddy the water with fiends and don't strike me with the same inspiration as demons and devils. Love the videos as always !!

[@gailengigabyte6221]

I like the idea that the Yugoloths strike a middle ground when it comes to friends of the lower planes. They dont screw people over with fine prints or technicalities, and don't outright kill something with a pulse on sight. Plus they don't actively try to corrupt mortals. They are pragmatic in every sense of the word.

[@gabrieldixon9621]

@gailengigabyte6221 I dont disagree that they have a place within the greater cosmology of dnd, but as dungeons and dragons moves away from alignment I feel they lose a lot of their identity as the "Neutral Evil ones"

[@taylorbullard2118]

I think pathfinder actually does deamons the best.

[@myromm]

I'm starting a planescape campaign next week... A little too early since if you keep coming with those videos I would have much more material. As you probably know, unless I want to read a bunch of old books to piece this material together, you are the ONLY long form analisys/guides to the cosmology of planescape in youtube. Thank you so much and I hope you get the deserved recognition from this content.

[@burakinan7040]

YEAH BABY NEW WADE ALLEN LETS GO!

[@krempelritter9950]

Great video! I'm overwhelmed by so much apathy that I've become totally indefferent to my own despair while merrily painting some minis along the way.

[@nathanpfirman625]

Well I know how I'm spending the next 2 hours! These videos are THE BEST. Also you should do the Far Realm next if that counts as an outer plane.

[@WadeAllen001]

It doesn't, but I'll still count the vote!

[@canned3880]

That talk about belief in a fantasy world was actually really interesting. I dont really plan on using planescape exactly but these videos are awesome for making a possible campaign

[@Treejayy]

Fun philosophy fact: but there are 2 main methods of defining evil. One which is describes evil as essentially “doing bad things”, causing others to suffer and appealing to negative virtues like greed and hate and so on. The other way is to define evil as merely an absence of good, viewing good and evil as being on a similar type of spectrum as light, where darkness is not necessarily its own thing but just the absence of light. One notable adopter of the 2nd version of good and evil is Tolkien (and this philosophy forms some of the moral core of his novels if I remember), whose work as far as I know is the undisputed biggest inspiration behind the setting of D&D. I wonder if the designers of plane scape were paying homage to Tolkien in some way by setting up the morality on the neutral evil plane the way they did. Especially the way that it drains people of what they are, leaving them absent of good.

[@daffyduck76]

Your videos are perfect for listening to while worldbuilding. SOOOO, I'm going to need you to cover every topic there is in D&D. Thanks.

[@WadeAllen001]

That may take quite a while, but I'll do what I can.

[@ryanwhitley7649]

Thank you so much for all of your hard work and dedication to these videos. I’m a big fan of this series. Here’s to hoping we make it through all of them!!!

[@samschalt]

Thank you for all the work you do on the videos ( love all the d and d series). It’s great for my future campaign and current campaign.

[@AJPickett]

Excellent video 👍

[@LawrenceofCanadia]

Oh hell yes dude! Your in-depth guides are the only other guides that equal the quality and vibe of AJ Pickett's DnD lore vids. Time to get the family together and watch this bad boy.

[@troybrewster102]

As an old 2E "grognard" who has spent his time rolling around the great wheel. I absolutely have to give you props. You might never get the numbers you deserve but your digging into lore and also including real world influence is second to none in my opinion. 🤘

[@UnleashedOdinV2]

Got excited when I saw this pop up in my recommendations 😄

[@bretrohde7300]

Same.

[@NerpSaibot]

u are the goat🐐of dnd lore. thank you for your content🐐🐐

[@Mortablunt]

Wake up wake up! New Wade Allen lore post!

[@masonbuckyall]

These continue to be my favorite DnD lore vids on KZbin. I'm rapt the entire runtime (never shorten them, please). Also I had to run and watch Black Cauldron after this.

[@DiujLopez]

I'm going to sound like a broken record but I just love in-depth long form videos on the outer planes like these. Hearing your opinions on certain topics and how you interpret them also gives a very nice flavor to it as well. Keep up the good work!

[@voryndagothDL]

Covering the underrated planes is a stroke of genius. Hard to find info on lower plans besides the Abyss and Nine Hells

[@Astro-ms8ng]

Love the videos! Would love to see elysium next! I'd love to here about stuff like the structure of the upper planes like how you did when you spoke about each of the lower planes representing a type of evil at 6:09

[@justadude740]

was waiting for more of these i love them and i hope you keep em coming

[@dodoontherocks]

The luetin09 of d&d, really love your videos to fall asleep too. Love your voice

[@Mentlegenium]

Wade, I watch your channel since the Seven Heavens video, and your videos are pure, absolute gold. Your analyses of DnD’s planes are top-notch and I genuinely love your videos. Cheers!

[@Safier_Poochy]

Immediately liked and shared with my players. Before I even looked at it. Wait... that feel familiar

[@Safier_Poochy]

But I'm litte surprised about gray wast. I thought Outlands would be the next after Sigil.

[@rainbowmothraleo]

2:11:10 - interestingly, according to the Dragon Magazine, Charon is an altraloth, a unuque yugoloth made by night hags

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

Good take on alignment. Hows this for the GW: Neutral evil only wants for itself The NE grey wastes take for itself Unless your presence there takes more than the environment, then you lose

[@BM-gt9ie]

Early christmas present 🎉

[@lantyrnpc7183]

Thank you for making these! Can’t wait for the other 13!

[@wawa0]

Dear Wade, I'm so happy to have discovered your channel, and now my binge-watch begins(: Keep up the great work. Would you consider exploring Feywild? There's barely any good content on it, yet this ~plane~ is so intriguing + insane elven lore

[@beragdan]

A fresh drop this close to Christmas! Another banger video, hope you have a great holiday season ⛄️

[@WadeAllen001]

You too, thanks!

[@m3w]

This is so well worked out - thank you for the time and effort!

[@glamourweaver]

I can’t help but wonder if there is a philosophical statement being made in the parallelism between Elysium and the Grey Waste. Both make you want to check out from the world. Both make you make Will saves to attempt to leave. With Elysium this is framed as it being so wonderful, but the consequence is still the choice to exist in paradise rather than care about the outside world - which is a selfish form of apathy. Similar to the parallel between the utter determinism of Mechanus and the utter randomness of Limbo are both philosophical statements against the meaning of choice.

[@steved1135]

I'd say you're bang on here. Both of the 2 pairs you mention are diametrically opposed on the Wheel, so it makes sense the planar ethos, and thus its believers, the inhabitants, would manifest those aspects.

[@lolthien]

From a fiction and story perspective I totally agree with you here. Though I do have to wonder if not wanting to leave paradise and go back to the "outside world" should be considered a philosophical failure. After all, being in the outside world, isn't the goal to make things better for everyone? More like, say... Elysium? Should one be considered weak for not wanting to leave an achieved paradise in order to attempt a fruitless attempt at paradise in another world? In fact, if you take the whole set and move it down a notch, wholesale, would that mean that everyone living in the "outside world" is a weak person for not wanting to travel to the Gray Wastes and, by force of will, make the Gray Wastes a more pleasant place? Seems like that would be no less difficult than one person making the real world into a paradise? I dunno, just a thought.

[@steved1135]

@@lolthien I really like that thought. Definitely got me thinking now. Thanks.

[@phonepolice]

Existence in Elysium keeps Elysium running though, ensuring that bliss is achievable. The apathy of neutral evil is a callous indifference to others - a sort of egoistic/solipsistic existence. As this is all rooted in especially moralities as understood in fantasy fiction as inspired by real world philosophy, neutral evil seems to be very libertarian.

[@sirdrork8616]

​@phonepolice Libertarianism is a really flawed collection of ideologies, but that's an incredibly unfair representation. In nearly every case libertarians are concerned about the abuses of power and the potential for it, and believe that even well-intentioned collection of power will inevitably be used to inflict harm and oppression. I do not *agree* with this, but to categorize them as apathetic and uncaring is just wrong. The closest thing to neutral evil would be entities like bloated bureaucracies and sufficiently large corporations; both exist only to perpetuate themselves.

[@Araviss-sis]

Thank you for the video, your calm voice is so good to listen to when I do chores :D Although I usually sit down and rewatch it later to make little notes so I keep the info in my head :) Your vids got me into really liking the planescape setting, I would like to play a campaing in it one day. Btw, would you ever do a vid about Feywild or Shadowfell? Yours are my go to sources for lore and I did not find a video about these two planes that went so in depth like yours do. Idk if those two were in 2e or is it later addition?

[@WadeAllen001]

Yeah those didn't exist in 2e. They came about in 4th edition. The plane of shadow did exist, which later turned into the Shadowfell, but as of 2e it was just a demiplane in the ethereal. 3rd edition introduced the plane of faerie, which then became the Feywild in 4e. Before that the role of the Feywild (the home of faeries and elves) was filled by Arborea. I think I'll do videos on those planes eventually, but unless I get a ton of comments asking for them I think I'd like to finish all the outer planes first.

[@Araviss-sis]

@@WadeAllen001 Thank you for the reply, even if it takes years, I'll happily wait for your take on those two planes and watch other stuff you release in the meantime :)

[@sturdyblastoff9300]

Finally, the fifty shades of neutral evil

[@7182ification]

LE - Selfishness in principals and systems. CE - Selfishness in passion and desires. NE - Selfishness in intellect and mind.

[@off6848]

The blessing of selfishness is that it makes it impossible for the fiends to truly unite.

[@Grambo58]

I enjoyed the philosophy portion very much. One point about your person 1, person 2 and person 3 analogy. You didn't ask what happens when you remove person 1. The apathetic person, in the extreme, would never help the child. They would leave it to its own ends, which could be argued is way more evil. Thanks for the video.

[@JinZanmato]

Ah, The Grey waste. The absolutely worst place to be stranded on out of all the places.

[@DomLab-g2n]

Check out Pandemonium

[@Gnome5150]

Hells yeah Wade love your stuff thanks for the early Christmas present. Would you consider an episode on the Far Realms and/or Elder Evils it would be insane 😂

[@WadeAllen001]

You're not the only one to ask for the far realm. I'll add it to the list!

[@Time-yn8me]

Great vid! I'd love to see what you can come up with for a deep dive on Acheron

[@kajetanmazurkiewicz5459]

I love your videos! I'm looking forward going through all the planes and have them available in my dm toolkit 😁

[@PyroTorch69]

Yea these are like 10/10. Also 2e lore is best lore.

[@elijahmonster]

These videos are awesome. Do more!

[@zsdmrtzmrde]

Love these videos

[@legomonster7747]

I love Baernaloths, just something about them having heal as a default spell makes them so interesting to play.

[@battlepans1927]

I love your channel so much

[@erikgranlund4286]

Hey super curious about your headcannon regarding the six primordial beings you occasionally mention across your vidoes and how they seem to correlate to dnd alignments From what i can remember/ guess feom your videos Lady of pain represents neutrality Tharizdun represents either pure evil or possibly chaos AO represents good? I got some guesses for one of the remaining three being Asmodeus (snake) possibly being law/order But no clue who the other ones would be or what other then chaos they could represent Would love to hear what they are? Ps Love the videos

[@WadeAllen001]

So the headcanon comes from a Planescape campaign from many years ago. It might not be the most satisfying, as the six don't match pure alignments (the reasoning behind them not all matching pure alignments was left slightly mysterious). But over the years I've grown a bit dissatisfied myself that the entities skew more lawful overall, so I often like to keep the concept of primordial beings (who unmade the previous universe because Tharizdun so thoroughly ruined it, locked him inside, and started the new current universe), but not necessarily the identities of the specific entities (though the Lady of Pain and Tharizdun are always known). In some ways I find it cooler for players to learn about these primordial figures but only know the names of some of them. But they were the Lady of Pain, Asmodeus, Zaphkiel, Tharizdun, The Primus, and the Shadowfiend (a made up entity to represent pure chaos).

[@steved1135]

Fantastic. Thanks Wade. I can't remember if I voted for this or Mechanus, but I've always loved the Gray Waste ( such a chore for me to spell 'gray' with an "a" as I'm Canadian, but hey, in D&D it's canon...). Pre Planescape, given the numerous Greek mythology references ( much like Tartatus/Carceri... ) I always had a hard time 'populating' this plane. The Planescape introduction of defining the planes around a particular ethos however, definitely rendered it much more reasonable to me. As did that approach to all other outer planes. I think the aspect of despair works perfectly for a representation of NE. I know philosophically it's difficult to wrestle with, but it's important to remember that despair and anguish can be equated to hopelessness. And that, coupled with self interest, leads to indiscriminate selfish behaviour. All options are open, if it takes one's fancy, and it pleases oneself. Ah The Gray Waste, utter solipsistic desire. And how can one not love the Yugoloths? Great stuff.

[@enantiomer2000]

Great video

[@darthbrooks4933]

New sleepy time video

[@BrandonFalconberry-w1m]

Hey going thru it now .. I think the apathy thing is when good people do nothing, that is the greatest evil .... At least that's how I always translated it

[@tsuki8957]

FUCK YEAHHH!!! New plane just dropped

[@RevocerGM]

Oh, I've just run an adventure for the Gray Wastes - really interesting place to adventure. But found it really hard to find that balance, where the apathy still leads to something the player can action on. I found myself resorting to a really bleak version of hell, rather than just apathy

[@WadeAllen001]

Yeah in my experience the outer planes are so devoted to a certain vibe that they're best used as short visits to each rather than spending many sessions in a row in the same one.

[@eidolon-0696]

Been years since I clicked on something so fast.

[@vokkera6995]

I was right in the middle of commenting on the banality of evil, and how the ABUNDANCE of apathy is what makes it so bad, and then you brought up Hannah Arendt lol

[@bretrohde7300]

Finally, Neutral Evil is getting the respect it deserves!

[@joshremis4274]

Oh my God I'm gonna start a campaign on this plane (dm shenanigans to escape) and this might just be perfect timing. We play in like 2 hours

[@iammegan6626]

The issues with Kelemvor and the Fugue plane seem to be a golden opportunity for interesting worldbuilding about the bureaucracy of the dead

[@glamourweaver]

Thingol might secretly tolerate the Sensate underground because they’re stopping the town from falling into the Grey Wastes, where she’d suddenly fall beneath the Hags and the Yugoloths in the power structure

[@WadeAllen001]

I like that idea.

[@geoaltman9344]

You got a great voice to fall asleep to! My comment isnt weird unless you make it weird...

[@TheOtherSteel]

I have often wondered about the Dungeons and Dragons view on the Styx's waters making people forget. That is the role of the river Lethe.

[@mbarker_lng]

I've heard it said that of the evil planes, Hades/Grey Wastes is the most evil because without any lean toward law or chaos, it is the "evil for the sake of evil". Among the souls there are people who pursued evil like it is a religion and even when they band together, they hate one another. Pathguy ("Li-Po") also described the plane as dominated by boredom and tedium, where evil in the form of hurting others is the only form of "entertainment" for the things that dwell here. This also reflects the shallowness of such evil; the devils enjoy their schemes, the demons enjoy destruction and freedom, but here its neither- just evil as a rejection of good without any emotional depth.

[@AndrewAnderson-bx8uf]

People may not believe in a god or gods, however I remember hearing (maybe from AJP?) that activities like playing music or practicing your fighting skills technically counts as worship towards certain deities, so the whole thing of going directly to Asmodeus' belly after you die seems like anything but a guarantee. Anyways, its pretty complicated (for me anyways) Great vid, thankyou

[@darrenmills3943]

I was in the Grey Wastes last week and I swear one of those Yugoloths vented. I know what I saw

[@shaggyzor]

Thank you!

[@jujujohnson01]

there is a difference between neutral evil and psychotic evil

[@darrenmills3943]

If Neutral Evil is to care for one's self above all else, then the Grey Wastes is the logical extreme of that ideal. Bereft of memories and the essence of self, one is left with nothing to care about at all

[@1casper234]

another one!!!!

[@menotyou8209]

bro could have said it's just the symptoms of depression made manifest. i'm glad it took 2 hours tho

[@DmSereb]

A point about the wall of faithless: if we assume that your afterlife depends on you alignment, but alignment is developed by life choices, your self-awareness or thoughtfullness. If you are helpful and have empathy to others you become good, if you are true to your word you become lawful, if you strife for personal freedom you become chaotic and so on. And there are deities of any alignment, they favor you if you match their character, regardless of whether you actively worship them or not. But if you did not develop any life position, if you just went with the flow in life and have no character, no alignment- you are of no use at any oter plane, - welcome to the wall

[@WadeAllen001]

So in your view is there a distinction between those who go with the flow/never develop an alignment and those who intentionally choose neutrality? Because the Outlands needs petitioners too.

[@DmSereb]

@WadeAllen001 yes, exactly, its all about CHOICES we make. This is how personality is developed. If you avoid hard choices in life you develop no personality and therefore are no good for either nine hells or mount celestia. Example: Geralt of Rivia, the witcher, he had a strong position on being out of rivalry, instead of choosing between big and smaller evil he chose not to make a choice and he acted to defend such a choice

[@ckmishn3664]

30:12 By your reasoning, anytime someone goes unconcious they effectively die, and the person who gains conciousness afterwards is a new person. Arguably that means that people die every time they sleep, and certainly means they die when they enter a coma or go under general anaesthesia.

[@WadeAllen001]

No, because they have memories of before they went unconscious that connects them to their past. I think I said that. I can understand the confusion a bit because I did say "the thing that keeps you you despite any of the changes you go through is your stream of consciousness that connects your past self to your present self. If you sever that connection, you've just killed one person and created a new one." By consciousness there I did not just mean wakefulness. Consciousness doesn't really have one consistent definition. Perhaps to be more clear I could've just said "memory." But I did also explain myself by saying "if you were to erase your memories and put your mind into a new body, I'd say you're functionally not even the same person anymore."

[@glamourweaver]

I think it makes sense if the Wall of the Faithless is just what happens to the sufficiently evil souls that fall under Kelemvor’s judgment. It’s the faithless because regardless of your morality, if another god has claim to you, you don’t go to Kelemvore’s city of the dead. But also if your morality means you belong on another plane you aren’t sentenced to that. So the Wall of the Faithless has the triple requirement - Neutral Evil enough to belong in the Grey Wastes - From Realmspace so under Kelemvore’s judgment - no strong ties of belief or worship for any other god to claim the soul Which means it’s Kelemvore’s move to deny the Yugoloth’s and Hags more Larvae.

[@Safier_Poochy]

Perhaps due to the strict order in the ranks of the Yugoloths, they have therefore moved to Gehena. Gehena is an evil plane that strives a little more towards Lawful. So that Yuholoths have effectively undergone a cosmic realignment. Away from pure evil and towards a little more order.

[@possumverde]

Peersonally, I think NWN2 MotB expansion did a good job of explaining Kelemvor's relationship with the wall. He's kinda stuck with it. Personally, I think it's an AO dictate to preserve the existence of gods.

[@username_undeleted]

With Kelemvor being lawful, I would think that the wall of the faithless would be for souls that broke the laws of their faith so severely that they are scorned by their god. Similar to a 3e oathbreaker paladin, only not to an extreme that they are picked up by a god of the opposite alignment. Like if a druid of Mielikki burned down a forest they were sworn to protect after losing faith in their god. I think of it more like wall of the faith-lost than the faith-less.

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

1:11:30 in 2e, a PC dies when any stat hits 0.. so the wasting disease will kill you when your LOWEST stat hits 0, not the highest.

[@WadeAllen001]

Do you know where you found that information? I've definitely heard players say that before, but it may be a popular house rule. I just looked through the AD&D 2e Player's Handbook, the AD&D DMG, the AD&D 2e DMG, the AD&D 2e Revised DMG, and even the 3.5e Player's Handbook and 3.5e DMG and didn't find anything saying that when an ability score reaches zero you die. Maybe I just didn't look hard enough, but the only non word-of-mouth source I was able to find about the consequences of ability scores reaching zero is the 3.5e SRD ((www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Ability_Score_Loss)

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

@WadeAllen001 I think you'll likely find it in the descriptions of spell effects that remove more than one stat, like maybe Cause Disease or some such.. I'm away from all my books now, so I can't immediately help. But you are correct, I don't remember it written as such in the rules qua rules.. but it makes sense. I'll check again now online and reply to this, not edit it.

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

@@WadeAllen001 hm, I found it in the description of the Penanggalan, in the 2e Fiend Folio ... but there gotta be more examples. Maybe in Return to the Tomb of Horrors, if that was the one that ended in the Negative Material?

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

@@WadeAllen001 anyhow, it wouldn't make sense that all 4 stats would need to get to zero before death, as that would make it easier for more people to have their highest stat among four of the 6, instead of just 1 of the six, giving them more chances of survival. That wasn't how 2e rolled. In 2e, the worst place in the multltiverse picked everyone apart by their weaknesses, not via their strengths. They'd drain 4 stats, and one of them would be the lowest, and when it got to zero, you would die. Just like in the real hell

[@archmage_of_the_aether]

@WadeAllen001 ....while I have your attention, might I ask for a few minutes in a future video devoted to Psionic Liches? I have a big bad to flesh out

[@steved1135]

Post watch: I for one enjoyed that Fugue plane/Wall of the Faithless/non-belief discussion. I have to admit I've struggled with similar in the past. I think the first time I ran into such a case of confusion was when reading the OG 2E PS box set, and read about Yen-Wang-Yeh's Palace of Judgement in the Outlands. I found it an odd and jarring inclusion, as it had earlier been established that the spirits of the dead went to the Outer plane that matched their Alignment. Thereafter, local rules apply. But then I thought, sure, lots of cultures contain ideas of 'judgment' to decide the ultimate fate of a spirit. Searching sources, I don't recall finding any more such 'temporary pitstop' variations on the standard protocol, so I figured it must be religion specific. My over-analytic mind abhors these kinds of exceptions but, on the other hand it does add favour.

[@WindsofFuture]

30:11 I don’t know if you play video games, but if you do you’ve gotta play SOMA. It’s all about this!

[@Tausami]

The conception of evil in the gray wastes is the philosophical/religious position that evil is rhe absence of good. Its also just like that because it's inspired by the unpleasant afterlife of the fields of asphodel in greek mythology, and it didnt make any sense to call the Fields of Asphodel lawful or chaotic so they made them neutral

[@the_vanguard5314]

Hades is awesome. You know how they say that all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing? That's the kind of apathy I see in Hades. Yes, you coud make a difference - if only you could care enough. Doing evil by doing nothing at all is perhaps the most insidious kind of evil there is.

[@sussybaka8560]

yippee

[@rainbowmothraleo]

1:36:10 - I feel like this bit about not going to afterlife if you don't believe in it is dumb. Also, we do know animals have an afterlife. How are they know it exists?

[@tevindaniels3742]

Could we see a vid on the realm of ysgard?

[@WadeAllen001]

Yeah definitely. I'm not sure when though. I'm definitely going to do an Upper Plane for my next video, but I'm going to poll my Patreon supporters on which one exactly that'll be.

[@joaquingarraza9716]

that apathy evil is the one expressed by Tolkien and Dr. Seuss

[@rudra3763]

What would be the 7 types of good for the upper planes? did you make this up or is this somewhere?

[@WadeAllen001]

Those 7 types of evil I made up based on the descriptions of those planes.

[@ckmishn3664]

1:04:50 "And stretches across 3 streets of the town..." That would be the town with only one street?

[@WadeAllen001]

Maybe I didn't phrase it well enough. It stretches across 3 loops of the street, because the street forms a spiral.

[@SavageReality]

"More Weight" - Giles Corey

[@corpsmanh]

So the the Gray Wastes sounds like cronic depression in location form.

[@quirkyhonor3427]

I would think belief in a deity would be a lot easier with them actively intefering. There someone prays to the moon for guidance, and Selune probably helps. Unless they need to have a name to go with the help to matter, then merely recognizing any assistance as a consequence of a prayer would gain belief. The only non-believers would be those incapable of this recognition, too isolated to encounter anyone to convince them otherwise, and/or don't bother even trying to wish for a positive outcome. Although, maybe wishing/hoping/wanting to oneself is not sufficient to constitute a prayer because the latter needs a desired recipient.

[@WadeAllen001]

Yeah I think people would be even more likely to believe in D&D than in real life because of actual divine intervention, but my thing is that I still don't think in most cases there's strong reason for believing in gods, because how do you know that your prayer was really answered by a god? For example, it could be that you prayed for rain and rain happened, not because a god sent it, but because it was going to rain anyway. And do gods answer every single prayer? I doubt it. So it's not even like you could think "every time I've prayed to this god, something good has happened soon after" which still wouldn't be proof but would be a better reason to believe than what's actually happening (which is "sometimes when I pray to this god something good happens"). The scenario where maybe there's greatest reason to believe is when the god you're praying to literally answers your prayers by speaking to you. That would probably convince most people if it happened to them (but wouldn't really be convincing for those it hasn't personally happened to, as they might just view those it has happened to as crazy, like people who have mistaken their own conscience for god). So then I guess the question is, how often do the gods make their presence known to people in a direct way like that?

[@timothystephens6851]

I feel like I'm watching a review of the end of DS3 Ringed City's ending.

[@AllGone]

Can we talk about why you’re afraid of pickles?

[@WadeAllen001]

No

[@AllGone]

So salty, like delicious dill pickles, and yet your content is so savory, like bread and butter pickles. Try as you might, run as far as you can, hide wherever you may flee… The pickle comes for you, and in the end all shall feel the crunch.

[@Akeepersplace]

I always thought of the wall of the faithless in Kelemvor’s realm as being for people that had failed their gods. The city was the destination for the faithless and the false. The false actively betrayed their gods and the faithless failed them. It’s passive and active betrayal. In D&D lore true atheists are rare due to all the godly interactions. I don’t think of the word faithless as meaning a nonbeliever.

[@rainbowmothraleo]

29:50 - if we go by Tolkien rules, planeborn larvae wouldn't be able to even theoretically renounce their evil ways