"Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Asmodeus the fallen? I thought not, it's not a story your gods would tell you. It's a myth of creation. Asmodeus once known as Ahriman was an upholder of order, so knowledgeable and so powerful he could influence the chaotic void to create law He had such a knowledge of law that he could even keep at bay the demon hordes. Unfortunately he couldn't convince the gods to decide upon the center of creation and without their uplifting wings he fell into the lowest pits of the hells. Ironic he could uphold the law, but not himself"
@TheH8redd9 ай бұрын
Always remember that Asmodeus is also called the Lord of Lies, so all the stories, myths and legends surrounding Asmodeus are probably all lies. Even what I just wrote here is mostlikely a lie. The only certainty we have about Asmodeus is that we don't truly know who he is, but even that is probably a lie...... Is he the embodiment of this paradox: I always lie? (If this statement is a lie, then I don't always lie and tell the truth sometimes, but if the statement is true, the statement is self defeatiing...)
@derpasaurus1559 ай бұрын
@@TheH8redd are you telling me the archdevil himself would... LIE??!!😵🥴🤯
@TheH8redd9 ай бұрын
@@derpasaurus155How can a paradox LIE? Explain that to me. ( Refering to the I always lie paradox).
@truthjustice64547 ай бұрын
Misinformation and Disinformation...😅
@keith.vukasinovich3 ай бұрын
Darth Plaguis loves this version of the story...
@suy2110 ай бұрын
Holy crap, one hour of Planescape content. Impressive, Wade 🎉👏
@mattstackhouse629210 ай бұрын
Great video. The abyss is the most obvious next choice.
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Okay I've got one vote for Mount Celestia and one vote for the Abyss.
@D--FENS10 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001This is the only request you'll receive for the Gray Wastes of Hades, so I'll leave it right here.
@goblinbxtch75407 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 Adding a Mechanus vote into the mix, I actually have the least amount of notes about it lol
@babyqeels2 ай бұрын
@@D--FENSI’m going to be that person and actually be the second person to request it! It’s by far the most interesting imo
@danielrowan471610 ай бұрын
Mr Allen - I’m a huge fan of Planar Lore and this was a concise yet wonderfully thorough treatment of The Nine Hells. Well done. Asmodeus was listed in the 1e AD&D Monster Manual as the Ruler of Hell. Additional treatments of the hierarchy of Hell was provided in Dragon Magazine #76 from August ‘83.
@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi6 ай бұрын
Why is it comforting to listen to videos about the structure of Hell? Thanks for your hard work in compiling and performing.
@Garlly342 ай бұрын
Don’t intend to push your video releases into a certain direction, but man are you a great at making thorough and enjoyable guides to Forgotten Realms lore.
@sheldorleconcher88709 ай бұрын
The satanic panic was really annoying...our group had to change gaming locations a half dozen times because of some sort of outrage and crazy accusations of devil worship and whatnot. As a teenager back then, it always struck me as weird that the "adults" couldn't see it was all made up. It still seems weird. Good content, btw. Even after decades of playing and DMing, it was interesting and gave me ideas for my current infernally influenced campaign. Thanks!
@AndyMcGehee8 ай бұрын
I still don’t know how my Dungeon Masters Guide survived the “purge of 1984” by my stepmother after I left home for college. I’d love to see the look on her face if she ever saw my copy of the Book of Vile Darkness.
@truthjustice64547 ай бұрын
You all gettin' Woke now?😅
@BeanLordClown4 ай бұрын
What are you even on about@@truthjustice6454
@chipsalom3 ай бұрын
The fact that adults could be so worried about kids really believing in such obviously fictional made up stuff has ever since caused me seriously cynicism about the legit level of belief of these Christian adults... Clearly some part of them was deliberately ignoring their instincts telling them they were believing bullshit, which is why they could be so worried and project onto kids playing an imagination game
@SputnikKaiser2 ай бұрын
Now we have people calling orcs racist and goblins antisemitic Are we much better today?
@JM-qz4ikАй бұрын
Very easy to listen to and understand. A phenomenal video. I can't wait to listen to more 😁
@jakubus890610 ай бұрын
Your planescape videos are really good! Can't wait to see some more
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@GravSh4rk10 ай бұрын
Love me a long form lore video. Currently in a plane hopping DnD game so this info is valuable to not let my party TPK
@corporeal59809 ай бұрын
This was a much better overview than most videos i have seen on the planes. I'd definitely watch more even if im not a Forgotten Realms fan.
@The_butler_did_it11947 ай бұрын
First time seeing your channel, I'm only seven minutes in and already subscribed. Awesome work! Super stocked to watch more of your dnd stuff.
@Klavinoid10 ай бұрын
Hell yea! Perfect timing. Your videos are becoming my primary source for Planescape information. Heres to many more.
@mosom_10 ай бұрын
Thank you for this incredible video, when the episodes on The Abyss and Hades come out I will die happy
@aha11263 ай бұрын
This is sick! I have been scouring the internet for books on the lore of the hells and this video was a really great summary of all the information I was hoping to gain. Awesome job!!
@WadeAllen0013 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Though to be honest when I made this video I was still in the mindset of focusing almost entirely on 2nd edition. So there's definitely stuff I left out from future editions, like from _Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells._
@shaggyzor7 ай бұрын
Just found this video in recommendation, subbed after hearing yer narration. Looking forward to more lore videos, love it!
@SpectrumHazard10 ай бұрын
Hell yesssss hype I love the Planescape/Great Wheel Cosmology vids, so cool to hear all about it
@jaxongolf6 ай бұрын
Hey Wade 🙏 I'm back behind the DM's screen working on a 5e homebrew, blending canon with the idea that Garden in Avernus is a planar convergence with a realm of Mount Celestia, and I've been really inspired by your videos. Thank you very much!
@erikt36722 ай бұрын
Beautiful work man, keep it up! 💪🏽💪🏽
@neceon458610 ай бұрын
This is such a comprehensive video. Thank you so much!!!
@steved113510 ай бұрын
Nice work Wade. Takes a lot of research and time to put this all together.
@JanSobieski3rdSiegeDefiler10 ай бұрын
Amazing videos, loved your take on everything. Hoping to see a video on The Abyss soon!
@jaxongolf7 ай бұрын
Great explanation of evil using the corporate analogy.
@charliebee515410 ай бұрын
Long form D&D lore that is well narrated? Automatic sub! 😁 Thank you.
@justin.channels10 ай бұрын
55:50 I like your note on pronouncing Malbolge. Think of the sound in the makeup/color rogue (but the thief) 😆 Great video, really.
@chuvarova60527 ай бұрын
I loved this video so much. The lore, rules, and history are layed out nearly perfectly and concisely. The only thing I wish was talked about more was Malbolge and what happened to Malagard when Glasya took it over. The whole layer is covered in a bloated and fat Malagard's remains after she imploded. Her bones, hair, skin, blood, etc covers the cliffs and Glasya makes her home out of her huge skull. Other inhabitants carve out dwellings from her bones and skin and stuff. Also, a lot of cool art and new 5e lore for all of the Hells was included in Chains of Asmodeus and from the info provided from this video, I assume you aren't aware or chose to omit what was in that book. Not saying that as a bad thing necessarily since this is mostly following 2nd edition by default but I would have really loved the comprehensiveness of the lore of this video to go from 95% to 100%. Either way, superb video!!
@WadeAllen0017 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! I've gotten feedback from a few people that I should include more lore from later editions, so I've started doing that.
@jppitre10 ай бұрын
Hell yeah! Running a Planescape game and your videos have been essential
@IPH-12123 ай бұрын
damn this is a great video, well explained, good pacing and flow, thank you for making this
@JFGraham2610 ай бұрын
oh hell yeah, love your other two planescape videos
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
I've got four other ones. I only correct you in case you missed them and would like to watch them. There's the guide to the outer planes, guide to the inner planes, the factions of sigil and their philosophies, and the sects of the outer planes.
@JFGraham2610 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 I haven’t seen those yet. Sounds sick, will check them out. Thanks!
@cernunnos_lives10 ай бұрын
Great God's Below.... I'm loving this episode. Thanks for your hard work brother.
@TurboWulfe6 ай бұрын
Lve these long form vids, keep on keeping on 😎🍻🤘
@rickywarren5677 ай бұрын
Fantastic video bro. Absolutely brilliant sir!👏👏👏
@ChrisGrahamkedzuel10 ай бұрын
Love to see your take on Carceri.
@destonlee28389 ай бұрын
Well done. And I can't give you what doesn't exist. I'll see you in Cania!
@connorb723410 ай бұрын
Loved your outer planes video, and this one was awesome too 😊 my personal favorite outer realm is elysium!
@nathanaelthomas92439 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! Very well done 👍🏻
@lutandomhlalase441610 ай бұрын
3:50-4:10 I just can't with you roasting a certain billionaire, I just fell out 😂😂😂
@brentwalker957610 ай бұрын
My reconciliation of viewing other infinite layers (a quirk not unique to Baator) depends on the plane in question, but can be best described as “weather and planet gazing”. To a mortal, the description should feel uncanny, but the natives talk about it the way we talk about meteor showers, eclipses, and constellations. For some layers, the rest appear almost peacefully in the night sky, for others like rifts and tears in reality, and for other like an overlaid optical illusion, or shimmering like the aurora borealis. Embracing the weirdness and treating it as totes ordinary does a lot to let you keep each plane’s phenomenon feel right
@Toddobvious7 ай бұрын
Good call on the “bay-eh-tor” solution, I think that’s the best choice. I think all of these pronunciations should be based on which one sounds best
@Craig_Tucker4810 ай бұрын
Love your videos on the planes. They are the only ones you make that interest me but damn they are good ❤️ Though I think you mixed up the layer of Malbulge with the plane of Gehenna.
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Thanks! Malbolge and Gehenna do have some similarities, but I was taking most of what I said right out of the Planes of Law: Baator book. And many things were changed about Malbolge in later editions of D&D, so that might be contributing to the seeming mixup as well.
@caelinnis10 ай бұрын
I will master the hells. I am The Master Baator
@jonstewart22339 ай бұрын
Finally, some one bringing proof of the true pronunciation.
@Hugeandhandsomeman10 ай бұрын
This was a great video, definitely make some more dnd content!
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Working on it!
@Hugeandhandsomeman10 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 I can’t wait for your abyss video!
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
@@Hugeandhandsomeman maybe I'll do that after the next one then, but I'm already pretty far into work on Mount Celestia.
@Hugeandhandsomeman10 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 understandable, can’t wait if you do end up making it🙏🏻
@sayerslayer18549 ай бұрын
Very nice collage and presentation
@WadeAllen0019 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@xgoldies10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! You are appreciated🙏🏼
@oguzhanozgenc78439 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! This is amazing
@WadeAllen0019 ай бұрын
Glad you like it!
@truthjustice64547 ай бұрын
Entertaining and informative. Its important to establish that the Kytin in Memnos are actually not beholden to Mammon, and have their iwn Independent territory. Cenobites...
@hasde_fo10 ай бұрын
it just amazing piece of work, thank you Wade! though...please return my soul...
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
It's mine now.
@professorgrimm460210 ай бұрын
I love your example of Jeff Bezos as a lawful evil character
@TheCoulsonlax10 ай бұрын
All billionaires are lawful evil
@johnmobley936910 ай бұрын
It’s been a favorite of mine.
@gabrielrussell553110 ай бұрын
My preferred examples are Robert Moses and Henry Kissinger.
@StonedPriest9 ай бұрын
It's fitting. The Bbeg of the campaign I've been running is a cross of Vandal Savage, and Bezos. He's a long lived hobgoblin general who retired and started a shipping empire in a Spartan-esque society.
@truthjustice64547 ай бұрын
I remember an amoral billionaire reference, not anyone specific. Time stamp?
@AbstractDuality10 ай бұрын
Subscribed. I want more.
@chronochrome78375 ай бұрын
God, the absolute irony of the ad break I got going into the Maladomini section. I feel like Baelzabul just tried to strike a bargain.
@blairshort109810 ай бұрын
Who would voluntarily become a resident of Dis? Vogon - "My Identity papers, Visa, letter of introduction and public enquiry findings, in triplicate."
@swindler15707 ай бұрын
I love your lore content. Any chance we could get an underdark video? Or specific cities, like Menzoberranzan?
@WadeAllen0017 ай бұрын
That's a good idea. I haven't really done any non-Planescape stuff yet like that, but I should try it out. To be honest covering Faerun lore seems a little daunting because there's like 300 books on it. The Outer Planes have comparatively less source material to read through.
@swindler15707 ай бұрын
@WadeAllen001 I totally get that. If you wanted to cover all lore tie-ins, across all source material, for a given topic, that would seem daunting indeed. But, it's probably okay to miss some niche interactions or historical events here or there. No pressure, of course - cover what you're comfortable covering. I'm sure you'd do it justice, though; particularly if you chose a narrowed scope to begin with.
@Nopedropperperson17 күн бұрын
This is way late to the party, but the infinite planes of descending size are actually mathematically and potentially, materially possible, it just isn't intuitive to the human mind. Infinities of larger and smaller sizes already exist and are used heavily in math.
@JosefDerKaiser6 ай бұрын
Let's be honest though, the Satanic Panic creating the Tenari allowed for some of the best DnD deep lore with Tharizdun and the Obiryth.
@Natsirt66610 ай бұрын
Great vid. Got a new sub.
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@jasonhopper213010 ай бұрын
Dude. Malagard is her attempt to acheive Godhood swelled up and burst. Malbolge is a fetis wasteland of exploded hag guts. Her fingers became gigantic towers. Her ribs split and became the 2 mountain ranges that encircle the plane. Her skull swelled to enoumous Godlike portions and is the capitol of the plane and the palace where Glasya resides
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Yeah that's some cool lore. Do you think I should include more lore from later editions in these videos?
@alvaro70110 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 I think it would be a very interesting sidenote
@100iqgaming9 ай бұрын
i really like the tenar'ri distinction from the oberyth and the other one, in my game baatezu will refer exclusively to petitioners also
@Sirfinchyyy9 ай бұрын
Its worth mentioning that the larvae in 5e are basically currency and barely considered sentient.
@thescandinavian83398 ай бұрын
Great vid One question.. what is the breakdown for the celestials... Or don't they have a breakdown like fiends?
@WadeAllen0018 ай бұрын
They do! I've gone over it in my Guide to the Seven Heavens of Mount Celestia video. But basically it's archons = lawful good, guardinals = neutral good, eladrin = chaotic good, aasimon = any good.
@soundconjurer438015 күн бұрын
I would say... "better view of the other layers..." maybe it's alluding to the nature of the plane rather than the topology, like bureaucracy becomes more strict, Asmodeus' designs and intentions for the other planes becomes more clear? I also had the issue with that view. I imagine each one is existe in a nested infinite space embedded through dimensional twisting which can be easily dismissed and not tought about.
@WadeAllen00115 күн бұрын
Yeah I like that idea.
@Subtle-will5 ай бұрын
I was thinking the planes spiral along a cone, so looking up you can see the planes coming down the sides. Meaning the lower you go the more you see looking up into the lighter layers
@WadeAllen0015 ай бұрын
Yeah it is described in a few places like that, where you get a more and more complete view of the plane the lower you go. But then if you think about that how does that work? Because if the layer above you is a larger slice of the cone, then it would take up all of the sky, so how would you see the layers further above the one directly above you? And wouldn't you just see the underside of the layers anyway? Of course I guess the answer is just that shit don't make sense in the Outer Planes.
@Aristocles2210 ай бұрын
49:27 Well, that makes Karlach's "this had better be sexy or violent" comment into new persepective.
@PhoenixFlame3219 ай бұрын
30:05 My take on the limbo vs heresy distinction is that: Limbo is for souls that were virtuous but never had the opportunity to learn the gospel and enter the holy covenant with Christ. Christianity has this thing called "The Original Sin", a vague idea that a seed of evil lives within us thanks to the first sin committed on The Garden of Eden and that can only be purged through Jesus' sacrifice. Since the orthodox belief is that one can only enter paradise while completely and utterly free of sin, being a genuinely good person isn't enough, you must be a baptized and faithful Christian to enter heaven (A foul, manipulative tactic to force others to join their cult out of fear of damnation) Heresy on the other hand is reserved for those that DID learn of the gospel of the holy church, but had the audacity to disagree and have their own opinions. Anyone that believes in anything that deviates from the teachings of the orthodoxy is damned to suffer even more than those chilling up in the first circle. It is a common trait of cults to persecute and condemn those that were once part of it but dared to leave. There's also a third even worse level of punishment in Violence, the Seventh Circle. It is divided into three parts and the third part of ring 7 is for the sin of Blasphemy, for those who not only dared turn their back to the gospel, but also spoke out against it and God himself. Critics get to burn in blistering sand and under a constant rain of fire.
@TheSpicyLeg2 ай бұрын
7:10 Minor quibble here. We can’t really judge the population in any meaningful way by the numbers of layers each has, if each layer is itself infinite. One infinite layer is as large or as populous as hundred infinite layers. It’s sort of dangerous territory in the lore, because it begs the question of why the good-aligned planes haven’t overwhelmed the evil-aligned planes with simple numbers. After all, the majority of known worlds have some form of civilization, government, or law. Meaning most petitioners would likely fall into some form of lawful, neutral, or good, or else the state would become decadent absent a strict power hierarchy, in which case it would be lawful evil.
@dagonslayer5110 ай бұрын
You should check out the DM's Guild book "Chains of Asmodeus". It is a fascinating outlook into the nine hells
@helloidharbl67536 ай бұрын
Glad you mentioned that. A LOT of stuff in the DnD texts is written in a way that suggests a non English speaker decided upon the words. And no, I don't consider ye olden tyme Englesh to be English.
@Mr.Fox121310 ай бұрын
Man I really want to learn more about Mephistopheles, probably my favorite Archdevil!
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
He's definitely got the coolest name of all of them.
@Luredreier10 ай бұрын
12:26 My take on this is math. Like how a imaginary number can be tied to a physical number through a equation. Actually, think of it like Minecraft. You take a portal to the nether, go somewhere and then take another portal out and it's much further away. Both dimensions might be infinite, but you could argue that they're different sizes even if both are infinite. Does that make sense to you guys?
@iancasleton635610 ай бұрын
Infinite Infinite plus 1
@tripNine110 ай бұрын
Crap. I was half asleep when I signed that apparently
@ElPayasoMalo5 ай бұрын
Asmodeus doesn't become a god until Fourth Edition said he absorbed the divine essence of Azuth, from what I remember.
@WadeAllen0015 ай бұрын
The origin story of Asmodeus being the cosmic serpent god Ahriman is from 2e (Guide to Hell). You're right though that according to other lore he wasn't a god until the Spellplague.
@ElPayasoMalo5 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 I knew about that origin story. There's like three different origin stories from what I remember. Multiple choice past!
@yellotoaster93689 ай бұрын
26:30 So here's why I struggle so much to get into D&D lore. Before coming to this video, I just watched another video about the story of Zariel. In there, it said that at the beginning, there was chaos, and then the gods of law formed and fought chaos. So, in the alignment thing, there was only law and chaos as opposites. Also, there were angels, among which Asmodeus was the best fighter. Then Asmodeus and the bois turned evil and signed a contract with the law gods to make him his own plane, Baator, where he could fight chaos and torture the unlawful mortals without the other angels complaining. Then the gods realised they got screwed over by that contract and tuned Asmodeus in a Devil and yeeted his ass into nessus. And this is when Evil and Good appeared on the alignment. The devils were lawful evil, angels lawful good and demons lawful chaotic. Now, here you come and tell me about good and bad serpents, Asmodeus being the bad one, and I have to completely throw out the window all I learned in the previous video. It's a total effin mess
@WadeAllen0019 ай бұрын
Yeah there's contradicting lore in each edition of D&D (and sometimes even within one edition). Really it's up to the DM to use which one they like best, or to use them all as stories without telling the players outright which one is the real story. The lore you just described sounds more like the lore of 5e as told in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes. The reason I used the twin serpents story is because that's the one given in second edition of D&D that Planescape existed in (up until very recently because they've now published a 5e Planescape campaign setting set).
@marselpanov880110 ай бұрын
combine opposite planes into one video. I think it will flow nicely
@ElPayasoMalo5 ай бұрын
I was surprised you didn't mention God Street in Dis.
@WadeAllen0015 ай бұрын
Probably because I mostly used 2e source material for this video. I've been using later edition lore a lot more in my more recent videos though.
@gabrielrussell553110 ай бұрын
I feel like you should acknowledge the non-serpent origin Mo has in every edition but 2E.
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Alright. I've gotten a few comments asking me to include more lore from other editions, so I'll be doing that from now on.
@SigfridSWE9 ай бұрын
Bg3 comment; Raphaels lord/leige is mephistopheles. He says that in one of the endings, where he notes that even his "father mephistopheles...". Does that mean that Raphael probably are a Duke/Arch-Devil under his father Mephistopheles? Or... is he one of the Damned 8 or... is he a Combion... most people seam to think he is a Cambion... but it doesn't fit in my opinion... ayway.... any thoughts people?
@WadeAllen0019 ай бұрын
I figured he was a duke, just not an archduke like Mephistopheles is.
@battlepans192716 күн бұрын
I have a new character idea: Someone previously super OP who lost their memory and ability to walk and speak to the river Styx. Now they live in an infernal machinery wheelchair. (Idk the details about how they got the wheel chair) but they became a divination wizard trying to regain their memories.
@CorinShadowblayde3 ай бұрын
What is the source for Takhisis? The DL novels are pretty clear she is locked in the Abyss.
@WadeAllen0013 ай бұрын
Page 165 of _On Hallowed Ground._ It wouldn't be the first time that D&D sources contradict each other, though generally speaking I tend to view rule/supplement/adventure/setting books as more canonical than novels.
@fleetcenturion10 ай бұрын
32:39 - "Archons" are the petitioners of the Heavens. Zariel was an angel (or aasimon, in 2e).
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Good catch. Though I believe angels are also petitioners, they just get promoted from archons.
@fleetcenturion10 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 - No. They were there from the beginning, not promoted from petitioners. Such a thing would only be possible, if a petitioner were to reach the uppermost layer of the Heavens, but that is only a theory.
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
@@fleetcenturion there's a poster in the planes of law book that shows that trumpet and tome archons get promoted into aasimon if they perform their duties well.
@fleetcenturion10 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 - Despite it being a borderline splat book, I suppose it's canon then.
@joaoluizcamacho27339 ай бұрын
Pleaseee make one about Thanatos, the layer of Orcus in the abiss
@danj-g6p9 ай бұрын
I feel like it may have help clarified in the beginning. How they are corrupted soldiers, the whole good vs evil war going into the order vs chaos that actually led to it. But I get that is a rabbit hole.
@Tromador10 ай бұрын
Gentleman cutter, I'm really enjoying this series. Brings back fond memories of a Sensate Githzerai I once played. I hope you might be inspired to make a more in depth video about all the planes and attract some subs for your effort. I have certainly shared this playlist with my group. If I had one criticism it is your pronunciation of Sigil. I've always said /ˈsɪdʒɪl/ (soft g). I did look this up and the IPA I quote is what Wikipedia thinks is how one pronounces sigil, in context of magical runes. Still it's not the end of the world and I have learned quite a lot from these videos, so feel free to carry on and ignore my griping. 😅
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Glad you've been enjoying my videos! I pronounce sigil with a soft g when referring to magical runes, as Wikipedia correctly states it should be pronounced. But Sigil the city is not pronounced like sigil the word.
@Safier_Poochy10 ай бұрын
The next video should about the cosmology counterpart. The seven heaven of Mount Celestia. First the Hell and than the heaven.
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@Whichendup6 ай бұрын
I have observed that you often bounce back and forth between editions and make allusions that all the lore is meant to be static, like during the Lord of the First explanation, but in fact there is a timeline of events that you are missing in your explanations. Zariel was the Lord of the First, then Bel got promoted to Lord of the First and Zariel his advisor, later on Bel lost favor with Asmodeus and he reinstalled Zariel as Lord of the First. All of those things happened in the lore. It's not the books or editions being contradictory, rather they happened at different eras. Before Zariel, Tiamat ruled the First layer. There's enough conjecture that we can assume even Graz'zt the Demon Lord, was once Lord of the First before he was corrupted by Chaos while on his mission in the Abyss, and after conquering three layers of the Abyss decided to stay to become a Demon Prince rather than go back to the Nine Hells hierarchy. In official D&D books it is stated Graz'zt was once an Archduke of Hell. Also stated: Asmodeus tasked Graz'zt with leading an army into the Abyss to retrieve a fragment of the heart of the Abyss, the shard of ultimate evil. Archdukes of Avernus typically are the ones who rule over the Dark Eight and the Devil army who fight in the Blood War. It's reasonable to assume that Graz'zt used to be Lord of the First. Probably even before Tiamat ruled the layer. In the lore Tiamat did not care for rulership of Avernus or being part of the Archdukes' plotting and politicking. So she gave up the title as Lord of the First, wanting to focus more of her energy on the Material Plane.
@WadeAllen0016 ай бұрын
I will definitely grant that I didn't go into later edition stuff very much at all in this video and mostly talked about the Lords of the Nine as they exist in 2nd edition, but the differences in each edition often are (but not always) contradictions that are later smoothed out (or an attempt is made at smoothing them out) and retconned into a cohesive timeline. 4th edition provides lore about Graz'zt originally being a devil that was tasked with re-finding the Shard of Evil for Asmodeus (and 5th edition also mentions Graz'zt previously being an archduke), but 2nd edition and 3rd edition both have it that Graz'zt is the child of Pale Night, born a demon and not a devil. To accept the edition-spanning timeline is to retcon away the contradictions such as these, but I prefer in these cases to just view each edition as its own thing.
@KevinBoosts9 ай бұрын
I didn't find any chapters dedicated to the nine hells in the 5e planescape release..? Did I miss something?
@WadeAllen0019 ай бұрын
There aren't any. This video is primarily about original Planescape (2e).
@KevinBoosts9 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 thanks
@clevererjunior84227 күн бұрын
The more you gave on Asmdeus actually two more. the fallen angel story and slightly modified version of the fallen angel story.
@DerexWolfheart5 ай бұрын
There are different intensities of infinity so you don't need to worry about the math in that regard. If there are twice as many infinite demons as devils than that just means in a given battle there will likely be twice as many demons compared to devils
@MikeHawk-h9p2 ай бұрын
It’s been YEARS since I played but is there any character(s) that are neutral neutral
@firstnamelastname72448 ай бұрын
28:38 This doesn't really make any sense to me. Why would someone who doesn't believe in an afterlife go specifically to the lowest layer of the plane of Lawful Evil, regardless of who they were in life?
@WadeAllen0018 ай бұрын
That's just how the universe works I guess. Or perhaps Asmodeus has done some sort of magic that makes it so. The "why" isn't really explained.
@Luissera87310 ай бұрын
You should do a video on mechanus
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Mechanus is a cool one, and I will definitely do it at some point. Maybe the next video? I don't know. Right now I've got one vote for the Abyss, one vote for Mount Celestia, one vote for The Gray Waste, and now one vote for Mechanus.
@RevocerGM10 ай бұрын
here's my soul: with thanks
@MadAdamStudio10 ай бұрын
Good video. Shame I'll never finish it.
@clevererjunior84226 күн бұрын
I watched you elemental place video. You didn’t mention spell key once.
@WadeAllen0016 күн бұрын
True. I didn't go very in-depth in that video. I think at some point I'll go back and make videos for each of the inner planes.
@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi6 ай бұрын
I think the problem with sigil is that the various planes are infinite in size and then there are an infinite number of material planes but sigil and the outlands are basically finite in size
@WadeAllen0016 ай бұрын
The Outlands is also an infinite plane. It has a finite boundary but the area contained within that boundary is infinite. Basically the distance between any two places in the Outlands is not constant. Distances are also not constant in Sigil and the city does not have a fixed size, but changes according to the Lady of Pain's whims.
@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi6 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 I see. I had to watch a few more videos. The Plane of Concordant Opposition is its other name. It is deceptive to think about the gate cities at the edges giving it a finite dimension - but no stranger than the other planes. Sigil is a kind of inverse of a prime material plane
@pleasedontmakemefamous830110 ай бұрын
Is there enough lore to do one of these for every outer plane?
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Yeah. Perhaps not an hour for every one, but at least half an hour.
@theprinceofawesomeness10 ай бұрын
2:30 finaly, someone who understands that Evil and Good are only defined as Selfidh and Selfless, being Evil dosen't mean you can't be moral. Edit: feel the same about the Law/chaos part but this point is more understod by players
@WadeAllen00110 ай бұрын
Unfortunately we might not be completely on the same page. Being evil is defined as selfishness yes, which means that evil creatures don't necessary kill people or enjoy killing people, but how could an evil creature still be moral? How can one not care about others and be a good person? (Keeping in mind of course, that the more you don't care about other people the more you don't mind if they get harmed in the process of you getting what you want)
@theprinceofawesomeness10 ай бұрын
@@WadeAllen001 i'm thinking of it as that you can practice moral or ethical ideas for selfish reasons. like Pacifism, you might not care about others getting hurt but you might care about getting blood on your own hands and becoming "impure"
@tahlialysse2 ай бұрын
Tbf when it comes to a lot of the pronunciation, it typically has a lot to do with the source of inspiration (or sometimes just direct source when a name is used from real world mythology wholecloth). For Baator its pulling from semitic language, specifically Hebrew where the root would be something like Ba'al. Not that it's trying to be an actual translation, but using phonetical elements. Since a lot of real world demonology used Hebrew words to name a lot of demons or devils, that's likely where they got the phonemes rather than trying to be linguistic, but it's still the likely reason for pronouncing it like that. Anyway, larger point being that it was a bunch of largely American white guys who knew a little about a lot of topics coming up with these names in the 70s and 80s, so trying to guess what roots and inspiration they were pulling from can be a fool's errand.
@SonySteals9 ай бұрын
Bezos roast 👌👌
@3X3NTR1K8 ай бұрын
Actually ininities can be different sizes! Some are infinitely bigger than others. Several times over. Don't think about it too much though. Or at all.
@heru718210 ай бұрын
The grief I got as a GM pronouncing Drow like Crow, instead of Cow.
@Aristocles2210 ай бұрын
37:01 Now we know where Wulbren Bongle will go after death.