Wahissa Lodge OA Ceremony - July 20, 2011

Order of the Arrow opening ceremony and ordeal tapout by Wahissa Lodge #118 at Raven Knob Scout Reservation near Mount Airy, NC on July 20, 2011 (5th week). This preceded the Vigil tapout ceremony that was conducted later that evening. Pay close attention to the young scout getting tapped out who was confused about what he was supposed to do!

[@boyscout12ag]

God, my lodge needs to step up its ceremony game. I'm a brother of tschtani lodge #10 in connecticut, and our ceremonies are nothing compared to this. I mean really. Our regalia is nothing compared to this awesome stuff.

[@TotalBilly]

Come to pennacook lol

[@noahfostertheawesome944]

Alexander Gombosh what lodge

[@imyourdad7888]

It doesnt matter of the ceremonies it matters that there stills brothers

[@Michael-Uttley]

thank u for posting this

[@imyourdad7888]

Even tho it is against the oa protocol and i can get this vid taken down

[@DNDelli]

Face paint, body pain, and wigs are prohibited at conclaves, NOAC, and other events conducted beyond the individual lodge. As I understand it, Wahissa Lodge is on good terms with the local American Indians in their area, so it is permitted. From the Guide to Officers and Advisors about Face Paint: "Appropriate local use is to be interpreted by each lodge based on their relationship with American Indian tribes in the council area."

[@ws5273]

A lot of this war probably out of regulation but nevertheless that was awesome

[@scnert]

Very glad to see that a brother will special needs is able to participate in the dancing, loved his regalia!

[@DNDelli]

I wish people would read the Guide to Inductions and the Guide to Officers and Advisors before telling people the rules and regulations of the Order the Arrow. I have actually rewritten this post multiple times, to make sure that I was clear, concise, and not rude or abrupt. I am also going to break it up into multiple parts.

[@connordoherty5965]

You're ceremony differs entirely from the one of my own lodge being Shawnee Lodge 51, do you not say the legend?

[@patrickprendergast3433]

Connor Doherty your not supposed to say any lines from the pre ordeal, Ordeal, brotherhood and vigil ceremonies, the legend being one of them

[@elis4085]

4:30 That takes some serious confidence. Great regalia too.

[@jaredtaylor8083]

Really cool and very different from my Lodge, Mikanakawa 101. What makes this video even more special for me is that my troop’s mentor(rest in peace) was originally a member of Wahissa Lodge.

[@planefunpilot]

Wahissa Lodge #118 has conducted their tapouts in this same manner since the 1960s, and I'm certain that many attorneys have viewed this ceremony or even participated. I'm sure if there were any legal issues with touching or face paint, someone would have addressed it by now.

[@showboyz919]

This is a nice ceremony. I remember being a scout in st thomas usvi, and when I got picked at my 2nd jamboree I was terrified lol but i made it through the weekend 😊

[@DNDelli]

However, over the years the Guide to Inductions has changed a lot, especially concerning Call-Outs. (Which the title change has been specifically changed to avoid tapping.) The OA used to conduct Tap Outs. The touching of candidates in 2002 had to be symbolic, and had to be done only by a hand in the shape of the Scout Sign. According to the newest Guide to Inductions, you may touching the candidates is strictly forbidden.

[@JWGDrums]

I'm in Klahican Lodge #331. And we can't video ours, or take pictures.

[@planefunpilot]

Unfortunately I missed the Vigil tapout this year due to my job. But I'm still partial to the 2011 tapout since my son was tapped for Vigil that year!

[@moocow6350]

I’m from wunitas gokhos lodge #39

[@leviashby6754]

You guys should see the pass one in 2015 made so much improvements

[@christophernield360]

I was there for it

[@WoodyBarrelson]

Good times

[@manxhedghog]

Is this the music from the good, the bad, and the ugly? its cool

[@martialartsweaponsandtrain9200]

Yep!

[@saltyrg1609]

Hey did you go to the 2017 OA it's raining a lot

[@planefunpilot]

No I didn't make it to Conclave this year. My son did for part of the time, but I think the rain cut his time there short.

[@saltyrg1609]

yeah it rain and rain a lot of people left Saturday night it was fun but it would have been better with out the rain

[@noahfostertheawesome944]

Grant Gordon CONCLAVE!!!!!!!!

[@freglyginger7763]

they did better this year than that year.

[@OptimusBananas]

kittatinny lodge 5 does this same thing

[@IronSights24]

Its the Trio

[@ws5273]

13:04 OOOOOF

[@TheDrunkenSailor]

This cool tap out ceremony I wish allohak menewi could do that

[@marieconstant6452]

WHAT FAMILIES POORES?

[@marieconstant6452]

NO NO MORE ROBBERY AT THE CENTER

[@2nd_Place7]

This happened to me at camp 3 days ago from this comment posted

[@planefunpilot]

The music in the opening is "The Ecstacy of Gold" from The Good, The Bad & The Ugly soundtrack. I believe the music for the closing is also from the same soundtrack, but I don't know the name of that piece.

[@averygoodman6844]

I’m Croatan 117

[@johnmadden7092]

Hello i am in boy's scout and i am going for my OA on oct 4 until 6 of this year

[@marieconstant6452]

BUDDAH THERE

[@dustm23]

Not a fan of the music, just a simple drum beating would be 1000x cooler. I wish there was video of the ceremony at TI.

[@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474]

Your use of lines from the Ordeal Ceremony in a Tap Out is in violation of symbolic progression. As someone else mentioned, so is the use of arrows; flaming arrows are particularly discouraged. The ceremony you use may date from around the 60's but OA policy has changed considerably since then. There should only be ONE individual wearing a chief's bonnet. Whether you are on good terms with local tribes/nations, face paint is generally forbidden.

[@robbiedzierzanowski1118]

The only problem here is if National catches this Lodge using face paint and spears and multiple bonnets in the next year, the Lodge will no longer be chartered by National. In other words, they won't exist any more. They are very strict with the Call Out, Cross Over, Brotherhood and Vigil ceremony policies. So in other words again, yes, he does care more about policy more than theatrics. This ceremony can lose the pain and multiple chief bonnets and still look and sound amazing. Just don't get caught is all I have to say about this.

[@nicholasperez8482]

19JeffreyB Deaton why should theatrics come before policies I'm native American myself and while I generally don't get offended by much this is still offensive and very stereotypical

[@imyourdad7888]

There fine national knows what they do

[@kavikv.d.hexenholtz3474]

@@imyourdad7888 I kind of seriously doubt that.

[@lumiimod]

All depends on the local tribe, as it is a lodge event and it seems they are on good terms with their lodge, it does not matter. This was also like 10 years ago where national was not as harsh on rules and regulations

[@marieconstant6452]

OU FINI CACA SECOND REINE..

[@d2lover88]

10:40 what in the world....

[@bobbyjhgfrfrf]

d2lover88 I'm pretty sure he had some kind of disability

[@vinnykoning5232]

Cerebral Palsy

[@marieconstant6452]

ET PI AMBA LANGUETTE BERNADETTE CHARGER DECHARGES VIRIUS

[@jamlym4974]

Came here for the Ecstasy of Gold.

[@planefunpilot]

Jam Lym, if you were there 4th week 2017, you wouldn't have heard it. The entire camp was without electrical power, so the drum/chant team provided the "soundtrack."

[@l.v.i.bushcraftandsurvival6692]

Fantastic. There is absolutely nothing wrong with honoring American Indian ways and culture in the Scouts. Be Prepared!

[@doct0rnic]

Tribes view wearing of head dresses the same way a vet feels when seeing a guy pretending to be a vet in uniform, it's basically stolen valor

[@freddy_the_fish]

@@doct0rniclast I checked, vets don’t mind seeing actors wearing military uniforms in productions. This is essentially a production with actors

[@marieconstant6452]

STAYING CALL MY DAUGHTER THE CENTER OF FINANCE ALREADY ON YOUR ST PAUL

[@nectimusmaximus]

I saw the Raven Knob Week 3 ceremony this year. While it was more impressive than any ceremony from Croatan 117, I had some issues with it. One of the dancers had American Flags as drapery on his arms, not cool, and I'm not sure about the whole facepaint aspect (not sure that OA has the right).

[@noahfostertheawesome944]

Nect as the chapter vice chief of the wahusenakuh lodge I think that it's part of the native American Indians culture

[@nectimusmaximus]

Noah Foster the awesome but does that give OA the ethical right?

[@noahfostertheawesome944]

Nect well it's there lodge I think so

[@joshuabodenheimer3947]

Hey the dancer was me and I have removed the flags and I would like to say sorry for anybody I my have mad mad it was wrong on my part and I did not mean to let them touch the ground but wanted to show the flow of them but again sorry and I removed them

[@marieconstant6452]

NOW YOU BACK

[@rcortese211]

Hate to be negative, but you know that you cant touch the candidates or use face paint right? Tapouts count as ceremonies.

[@djpause]

Is this a precursor to Bohemian? Yikes

[@nicholasperez8482]

ok first thing that's wrong with the ceremony is the face paint you have to earn the right to wear it only war veterans can wear it not just any scout and the flaming arrows are in violation to bsa safety polices and I don't care how long you've been doing this ceremony it needs to be changed and I got this information from my chapter advisor who studies native American culture for a living

[@lightmeupbuttercup]

There's nothing wrong with the ceremony. I watched them do it this way since I was a little kid and it brings back many fond memories. This was by far, my favorite summer camp to visit when I was a kid. I think you're confusing this 'tap out' ceremony with the ordeal, brotherhood and vigil ceremonies. Good day.

[@nicholasperez8482]

+lightmeupbuttercup no I'm not none of this is allowed look it up and when you were a kid the rules were different now the ceremony needs to be changed

[@lightmeupbuttercup]

it really isn't that big of a deal chill

[@nicholasperez8482]

lightmeupbuttercup the face paint is

[@patrickprendergast3433]

TRIGGERED!!!

[@culturetattoo682]

Shameful Wannabees.

[@wydxynk]

bro what

[@freglyginger7763]

Failed

[@lilcuz5326]

This is an insult to the OA

[@lilcuz5326]

Speak your lines don't scream them!

[@ws5273]

How so?

[@joshuabodenheimer3947]

This is from 2011 it’s changed plus it’s hard when your talk to over 500 people not facing them

[@joshuabodenheimer3947]

Noah Foster I’m from 118

[@luisgonzalez-nr8lq]

The cultural appropriation is real.

[@alexg7821]

This is not how OA ceremonies usually go. First of all, music that is not from a drum is not allowed. Along with face paint. This lodge seriously broke the rules of ceremonies, there are other ceremonies that are approved by an organization of people of Native American background. You just need to see a actually approved ceremony.

[@alexg7821]

+Ethan O'C that may be true, but I know darn well that the use of face paint and music that's not from a drum is not allowed

[@sorts.1841]

When I was at my ordeal this weekend, they had the people with face paint, is that wrong?

[@ogtunezzz6363]

call out ceremony are based upon your lodge that's why not one lodges is not the same as mine we will paint our face for ordeal ceremony all the way through vigil as a sign of disguise but not during ceremonies which is not allowed we always place in every event we attend but as of a call out or tap out ceremony your lodge can right there own script

[@ogtunezzz6363]

we also don't call names we have the scout masters hold a upside down sash behind them then choosers go get them

[@SittingTheApple]

Blind cultural appropriation at its worst And people say the BSA isn’t racist...

[@Vraptor1]

Correction: Misappropriation. It shouldn’t matter if you’re wanting to practice another culture’s traditions. It should, however, matter that you understand it’s a very personal aspect of someone’s identity, and to represent it as close to the source as possible.

[@bricethompson1922]

It's not like this anymore lmao