Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One Review: Best of Both Worlds?

[@ZenEndurance]

DC is the kind of guy to have an Apple Vision Pro on the counter and not mention it whatsoever.

[@cyclonasaurusrex1525]

“If you don’t know, you can’t.” Brilliant.

[@coryrood]

I laughed and replayed that part way too much!

[@ginomordocco4710]

Pro tip: If you have a Shimano 12 speed cassette laying around and you're using a 12 speed bike, grab the 14T cog from it. Then replace the Hub One cog with it. It will make the drivetrain noise MUCH less.

[@MultiBallchinian]

What about SRAM?

[@Alfons_Zitterbacke]

The Original Cog has some spacer in it. How did you manage this with the replaced 14t Original one from a Cassette?

[@mariopejovic]

and I bought Zwift Hub One few weeks ago.... not sure what to feel, especially regarding long term support. ah well. at least, as a bigger guy, I find some solace in fact that Hub One has max rider weight at 120kg, while Kickr Core is at 113kg, so close where I am. nice video as usually Ray.

[@SpearingWithSlurpey]

same im jaw dropped...

[@tmhudg]

I did too - and I just returned it and getting the Wahoo Core - without the Zwift Cog. Not comfortable with the support path from Zwift in the future. I also found that I didn't like the Cog and the Click virtual shifting. Everything is fine in ERG but just free riding and using the Click is not optimal. There is a lag on the shift and a noticeable load change when it does happen. Just doesn't feel natural. Finally, that it's only supported in Zwift is also a knock (and I knew that before I got it originally but it's another straw against it). Definitely hemmed and hawed on sending it back but Zwift is giving me the "hmmm?" feeling right now so I'm flipping to Wahoo while I can.

[@kestralrider313]

Great video DCR, hopefully we will see a tacx COG adapter kit with a firmware update and button to allow similar on the Neo and lower down trainers.

[@Maxwaehrens]

Would be awesome if with an ANT+ Antenna you could connect the hidden hood shifters or even the regular gear shifters on Di2 bikes with eFly connection to the Zwift virtual gear change button

[@AndrewTSq]

that should be a home hack with some small mcu, like esp32 or raspberry pico.

[@TomasPiliponis]

That casual Apple Vision Pro on the table.... :D

[@xt2368]

Zwift VR confirmed?

[@Xhadp]

Yes you could do this since the Vision headset has Mac screen mirroring so you can open up Zwift on your MAC and stream it to the headset, seen it done with other applications already, nothing fancy or groundbreaking really. It still gives it the boxed rectangular look since it is just mirroring it and not the full VR 360 look though.@@xt2368

[@paceline]

@@xt2368 I came across the Zwift founder's youtube channel that showed that Zwift Portal assets were developed YEARS ago. He mentioned that he developed a Zwift VR too but it also didn't make the cut at the time.

[@Pierrrrrrrrrrrrrrre]

He did a video about it

[@linneualbuquerquemello8915]

Can I buy the Zwift Cog + Click upgrade kit and install it on an old Kicker Core? If you mentioned that and I missed i apologize. Thanks.

[@abbi1680]

I’m looking for the same answer 😢

[@dawhooper]

I also would like to know this

[@Dcrainmaker]

In time, yes. I dive into all the nuances here in this section of my written review: www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/02/wahoo-kickr-core-zwift-one-review-cog-click.html#retrofit-other-kickr-trainers-with-zwift-cog-click

[@soggywilson]

@@Dcrainmaker incredible! thanks for covering this in such detail!

[@WorstSanta]

I tried, it’s just not worth it. It’s noisy and you really have to micro adjust derailleur which I don’t want to do given it’s just fine with my road setup. You can reach the same results using Zwift play and usual cassette. Some apps don’t support virtual shifting, BTW. Without a cassette you are out of business.

[@adamweb]

I was wondering when Wahoo and Garmin would jump onboard with virtual shifting...Very smart idea for those who share a trainer or use multiple bikes but I'm sticking with my normal cassette for now!

[@ZenEndurance]

I put the clicker on my finger and I can shift while sitting upright, wiping sweat, reaching for a bottle… it’s great.

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

Finally Campagnolo 8-12 compatibility!

[@rpiian]

Dang it. Can we update old Kickr Cores? Guessing not… I tried to get the Zwift singlespeed cog and clicker to my Core and couldn’t make it work… Ended up returning it. EDIT: I see that is coming now. Sweet!

[@_J.F_]

I'm somewhat happy I didn't buy the Zwift Hub One as I was very close to doing in preparation for this winter. Now it is obvious to get the Wahoo instead but I'm still in doubt about whether to get the cassette version or the cog version. I suppose you can go for either and just buy an additional cog upgrade kit or cassette and be able to mix and match as you like.

[@MrDuszekKacper]

Why you think that Zwift Hub One is worse than Wahoo Kickr Core Zwift One?

[@thedownunderverse]

Get the cassette version (and a click controller). Put a cassette on that has a 14t cog. Now you have options!

[@_J.F_]

@@MrDuszekKacper Because it seems that the Zwift version will be discontinued according to this video and software/firmware updates, as well as general support ect. will also stop after 2 years I think he said in the video.

[@tmhudg]

I had the Zwift Hub One and I just returned it for the Core with cassette. I didn't like the virtual shifting with the Click.

[@_J.F_]

@@tmhudg Thanks. I predict I will feel the same about the virtual shifting.

[@rajavidhun]

Why not just add Zwift click function to a the companion app to change gears ?

[@mattshirlaw3092]

This is what I wondered as well. Seems completely mad

[@thedownunderverse]

Cuz then they cant sell u a $50 piece of plastic

[@rajavidhun]

That you need to change batteries on as well @@thedownunderverse

[@jimpeyton1459]

Both the Click (wherever you want it) and the Zwift Play controllers (mounted around hoods) live where you naturally shift while riding. Using a finger on a phone in mid workout or race seems awkward. Indie Velo has virtual shifting that requires a keyboard...it's a PITA, so I use my manual shifters.

[@therealpinkyskull]

I’m still using the first gen Kickr that I bought in early 2016, it won’t die. I’m gonna buy this though because it’s time for a new trainer and my first gen is alittle too inaccurate.

[@andyfpt]

Thanks for this. I almost bought the zwift one hub in December and glad I held off. Now my dilemma is whether I buy something that runs zwift at all. Seems the company is in turmoil and I wonder their future as a company.

[@TheRiderGuider]

There’s no turmoil for users. Zwift in itself will only grow. Buy it and ‘ride on’ 👍🏼

[@LakeDistrictcyclist]

Why would zwift bring out a trainer 2 months ago then bin it that’s worrying

[@jimpeyton1459]

"Until I'm done being miserable" 😂 What makes me happy is that my current Kickr Core is supported with a firmware update. I hve the Zwift Play controllers....so i am assuming i can set up the trainer with a clean drivetrain line and use the virtual shifting feature. Not clear on which front chainring i should use...from what i understand, one uses the little ring for 99% of riding unless one is performing a huge sprint. Then one pops up to the big ring and then back to the little ring. Correct? I agree with you Ray, somehow the Zwift/Wahoo nexus should deliver on the promised API for integration into other apps. Indie Velo has its own virtual shifting, but it's done via a keyboard. Pretty kludgey implementation. Thanks as always.

[@neilwheel]

Do you know if the cog will become available as an accessory, to use on the other Wahoo trainers?

[@cricanwa]

It already is avaiable

[@davidrowe8747]

@@cricanwa the currently available Cog doesn't retrofit other trainers.

[@mikebuck4841]

Well this is a kick(r) in the arse for those of us that recently bought the zwift hub One.

[@Chader9]

You bought a trainer that had the features and price you liked (most likely discounted per the recent sales). Zwift says support will continue for years to come. Where's the problem?

[@kovie9162]

Is there an upgrade path for current Core owners in terms of replacing the cassette freehub that comes with the Core "classic" with the Zwift Hub One single cog hub and virtual shifting controller, and will they offer a discounted or even free upgrade path for recent Core buyers? Also, is virtual shifting possible with Core "classic" trainers that haven't been upgraded to the Hub One hub using a standard cassette, provided that you stay on one chainring/cog and set the correct size for each in the settings, and if so can you shift with the Zwift companion app without the controller? I'd think that the latter would be especially useful to people who use other platforms in addition to Zwift where you'll still need to do physical shifting (whether mechanical or electronic), unless these platforms adopt virtual shifting as well, which I assume they will eventually as the software seems fairly simple. Either way this is a great development. Provided that virtual shifting is handled properly there really shouldn't be a reason to have to physically shift on a trainer. It's quieter, simpler, there's less wear and tear on your road cassette, and should make training indoors simpler and easier. Now if they can only integrate this with virtual steering and braking, and perhaps even banking...

[@xandershawvlog]

I’ve read that virtual shifting can be done now with Zwift play in a standard core.

[@kovie9162]

@@xandershawvlog If you mean the Play controller then yes, it can, but they're $99 which seems a bit steep if you won't be using their other features.

[@xandershawvlog]

@@kovie9162 true but it means you get steering and the power up options on the bars. The separate upgrade hub is pending I believe.

[@kovie9162]

@@xandershawvlog I have a Sterzo for steering and can do power ups from the app. I also have Campy Ergo shifters which aren't compatible with the controllers.

[@PedroTD]

So, basically since the click do not talk to the trainer, wouldn't it be possible to just use the click (with actual trainer and not using the cog) and still be able to virtual shift in Zwift ? (You answered at the end - Thanks) What about using this with their own platform (Systm X) ?

[@darinsteele7091]

Yes you can just leave it in one sprocket and use the controllers on the clicker

[@MDustinKim]

I see that they will bring the cog retrofit to Kickr cores. I hope this is the case for Wahoo Kickr v5 as well. I do not want to puchase an unnecessary additional trainer..

[@galenkehler]

It's been a mystery for the last 7 years that ive had my Neo as to why trainers don't come with a clicker to do this. Shouldn't involve 3rd party software at all. And even now, why does it involve zwift at all, I should be able to shift my trainer.

[@Fabiomiguelseverino]

Hello all! One Question plz :) For new users who are thinking of buying a bike and a direct drive trainer now, which would be best? Kickr Core , Kickr core ZWIFT one , other? The budget is within the kickr core range. Thank you all

[@Odurande]

Question. I want to use zwift so this trainer is perfect but my partner just wants to use it like a spin bike. Would she be able to use this bike as such? I’ve heard you can just use the wahoo app and adjust resistance there but can’t seem to find any concrete information.

[@WowRixter]

I wonder if/when Elite will come out with something that’s similar but compatible across other virtual platforms?

[@kovie9162]

I wonder whether Wahoo's being slow in releasing the developer API for virtual shifting to other virtual cycling platforms is more of a legal than business decision. While the concept and I suspect code behind this is relatively simple, because we're just talking gear ratios which is linear, they'll probably charge a licensing fee for use of this technology, which has to be worked out in terms of how to charge for it, plus the legal details have to also be ironed out. Also, how to actually shift in terms of whether with a Zwift controller, a 3rd party controller, or in an app. And they might also want to have the right to approve of other platforms' versions of virtual shifting to maintain control over the technology's image.

[@xandershawvlog]

Will it self calibrate as that has disappeared off the Zwift menu.

[@Dcrainmaker]

It does self-calibrate. It's off the Zwift menu for manual calibration, but ou can still do it from the Wahoo app.

[@xandershawvlog]

@@Dcrainmaker the patch notes were pointless. So no nee to spin down now other than from new?

[@xandershawvlog]

@@Dcrainmaker also do you just know when the Hub will be available for existing Core owners to upgrade of they wish?

[@CptCrashComet]

Isn't it also ideal if you are forced to adjust your rear derailleur because the cassette position of the rear wheel and bike trainer are not identical?

[@spdnik2568]

I came here to say this, for me this is a big win not having to re-index each time you go outside and back on the turbo. Not a problem when you’ve got a bike that lives on the turbo. But sorting the indexing against the flywheel is a pain, especially in a small space!

[@valentingabele8289]

I don't understand the concept: Why would I want to shift virtually if I have real gears on my bike? (Yes, I have seen the pros and cons in the video.)

[@Chader9]

The concept is centered around the new Cog as a single gear solution. This makes swapping between bikes with different drivetrains easier since you use the same cog for everything from 8-12 speed bikes. For someone with only one bike in use, the Cog and virtual shifting don't serve much purpose. So it's use case dependent.

[@neilowens67]

Is this coming to the Kickr not just the Kickr core?

[@ZwiftInsider]

Yes - Ray mentions that near the end of the video.

[@zywb]

But will the COG come to the Kickr (not just software updates for virtual shifting)?

[@ZwiftInsider]

@@zywb sure. The same Cog that works on the Core would work on the standard KICKR, so I don't see why not.

[@paceline]

I got a Zwift Hub Classic when it came out and I don't have any regrets. I got the initial lower price (no free year of Zwift) and I've been able to play with all of Zwift's new toys and features earlier. And I have more climbing gears since I can change to my big ring on the cassette WHILE using virtual shifting.

[@magnetapfel]

What do you think I bought my Zwift Hub One just 26 days ago. Should I send it back? I mean if they only want to support it for 2 more years it might be worth it or?

[@mikebuck4841]

They should give us another year of Zwift, free.

[@KennyLeduc]

Where can you find the 14T cog that would make the unit quieter and smoother? My bike are 11 and 12 speed ones

[@jpvinagre]

Not sure about which ring should I use in the front. Bigger or smaller? Thanks

[@maniastrat]

Cool but....Not sure I want the proprietary stuff & stuck with just Zwift. The old way is fine & usable on multi platforms + shifting is mechanical in my "real" life riding anyway 😉 Thanks for a great review! PS: I am guessing this is the BIG surprise wahoo was talking about on one of your recent videos?

[@Chader9]

Hardly proprietary since you can still install any HG compatible cassette of your choice to replace a Cog. Then just ignore virtual shifting and act like none of it ever happened. Considering that the Core never came with any cassette in the past, this is a bonus at the very least and no loss if you decide to run regular gears.

[@maniastrat]

@@Chader9 Yes that is true I guess you can revert to a cassette & then be able to use other platforms. I wonder then why they are not making the cog available to those who even recently just bought the Core or the Swift hub one? Just saw on FB today Wahoo said they have no plan to make those upgradeable...I have seen a few unhappy videos already like Team Saunders Tri

[@Chader9]

@@maniastrat I can't speak to Wahoo's direction. But Zwift is still offering the Cog & Click upgrade for sale ($80) that includes the Click and Cog mounted to the Hub compatible freehub body. For anyone on a Core (or Kickr that will gain the virtual shifting in the near future), they can buy this, remove the Cog from the Hub freehub (mouthful ;) ) and then install it on their Core or Kickr. Bit of a waste to ditch the freehub, but it's an option. Alternatively, someone can buy the Zwift Play controller for virtual shifting access (and all the other functions), then do a simple single-speed hack like can be seen in many YT videos and have the same basic experience as the Cog. The main lack will be the plastic shroud to help with setup, but I won't be surprised of someone makes some 3D printed versions of these just for that purpose. Essentially, there is more than one way to make a single-speed happen here even if Wahoo refuses to offer a direct option. As to people moaning about the issues here, I don't have much sympathy. People bought what they thought fit their needs and budget. Zwift says they will for sure support the Hub at least 2 years. This is perhaps a bit short, but I've heard of even less from other makers at times so I don't see the 2 years as a real, problem. From what I've seen, the current Hub firmware is very stable and hits all the marks most people care about. The people who bought the Hub on sale in the last month or so got a nice discount on a good trainer that can be relied upon. No problem from what I see. And I say all that as an owner of a Kickr V3 2017 that is not poised to get the virtual shifting nor eligible for the other firmware updates or features present in the V4 2018 and newer models. Just part of owning a tech based product where support is not guaranteed at full depth forever.

[@maniastrat]

@@Chader9 That's nice of them & that may make some of those recent Zwift hub owners happy/happier ;) I have been nearly 40 years on road bikes & never was much for indoor training although I do have rollers. I was just thinking of buying a Wahoo Kickr Core when all this came up. I am still thinking of going that way as the new deals dont make any difference to me & Amazon still sells the Core for 500 /free delivery. Thanks for all the info!

[@daniellestat]

Ey, what about using trainerroad and zwift at the same time ? Trainerroad to control and zwift for distraction ?

[@jimpeyton1459]

I *think* you're ok as TR or a Zwift workout will control the trainer while you travel on Zwift. No need to shift. I run several group meetups for a Zwift team. Lots of riders are running workouts while on the meetup. Hope that helps

[@roadkill_toronto]

Hey Ray! Any chance this works for fixed gear bikes and if not are there plans for a track bike compatible cog in the future? That would make a lot of sence to me since both are indoor cycling. I own a Velobike adapter for the kickr core and destroyed the bearings during an everesting event. Velobike sent another adapter free of charge but the problem began to happen again and so I switched back to a kickr snap and never spoke to them about it, thinking that my use may not be its intended purpose. Also … I have a wahoo rival and have found a lot of problems. In one of your previous videos I saw your wahoo rival wall … ( 😳 ) any chance you make a video about it or would that ruin your relationship with wahoo? - Thanks!

[@Chader9]

The cog would work fine for single-speed. The most common issues is that most single-speed bike frames aren't using one of the existing support axle standards of smart trainers. 130mm wide Quick Release is the smallest offered and most SS bikes I have seen are 110mm to 120mm which won't fit. There are some adapters that can be purchased to setup a wider axle spacing for these frames if you have one and are set on using it, but it is a workaround due to the trainer limitations. As of now, I have not seen any common offerings that work for those narrower frames without a hack.

[@roadkill_toronto]

@@Chader9 a company called Velobike from New Zealand makes an adapter I own and it's a good product but I don't think it's designed to climb up fake hills and so I decided to rethink my training. I ground the bearings literally into dust. The mechanic I brought it too thought I used anti seeze silver grease because of the bearing dust mixing with the grease i used to protect it. The core was fine so I decided to store it thinking i would buy a road bike for it but did not have the budget for it this year. I have a road frame and wheels but need everything else. Anyways it would be cool if wahoo made something specifically for fixed gear or single speed. My bet would be single speed because its easy to break stuff when fixed. Especially yourself. I have a 15 mm bolt moving my 120mm over in the kickr snap so that its centred. I also started training a tt position to avoid rocking the machine and bike when out of the saddle. Hasksville is cool at least. Until things break. 😅 Wahoo has been really good to me with warranties. Really disappointed by some things but it seems to me the people at wahoo care so they have made up for product flops with customer service IMO Only thing now is ... I'm still wondering about that wahoo rival wall.

[@footballisunited9642]

Does it measure your power for you?

[@zywb]

But will the COG come to the Kickr v6 (not just software updates for virtual shifting)?

[@Styx1959]

Just wondering....I use Systm (aka Sufferfest), and you can adjust wattage by using the up/down arrow keys on the keyboard. Is this much different than that (other than the convenience of the button)?

[@tariqkamil7853]

Will this work with. Magene smart trainer? The One Hub that is

[@marc79x]

Will the Zwift Hub One slide onto a Wahoo Campagnolo freehub on the Kickr Core?

[@trungducle8625]

The swift cog is compatible with the swift kick core or do i need to buy the swift hub?

[@akeccunkaq]

Has the shifting issue with third party apps been resolved ?

[@Dcrainmaker]

No change.

[@VGmasterX]

Can you use a normal Kickr Core (with the cassette) and just normally shift using the Zwift app?

[@im_jrzapata]

Sooo if you are saying that one can replace the hub with a cassette in this trainer. I take it that one can get a hub and put it in a “normal” trainer? Say a Kickr or a Tacx?

[@larson_lvb9939]

A bike with 2×7 gears fits the Wahoo Kickr Core One

[@SeekerAppleSwordSerpent]

How many people’s 2020 Kickr Smart became a brick in 2023? I have noticed a lot of comments about this on comment boards and my Kickr was affected.

[@paulinew8680]

Can I confirm does the zwift cog & click upgrade kit work on the Wahoo Kickr?

[@VitekHolubovsky]

Are these updates coming to KICKR V4 (2018) as well? HW-wise it's very similar to the CORE and the FW update histories have been mirroring each other so far...

[@Dcrainmaker]

The virtual shifting, yes.

[@VitekHolubovsky]

@@Dcrainmaker And the auto-calibration as well? 🙏

[@likemarksee]

Predictable, but will there be an update to add virtual shifting for the kickr? and previous models of the core?. There is no reason why Wahoo couldn’t do that, right? 🤔 or Zwift could do it without Wahoo?…thinking about it, does it work anyway now already?

[@Chader9]

Yes, firmware coming to all Cores and back to some Kickrs. All mentioned in the video and detailed coverage in the written review.

[@jeffreyanthony7348]

Will this work on the other wahoo trainer.

[@francobaumgart1902]

I installed the bike and tightened the axle and left a little bit of a gap so my bike frame wouldn’t touch the hub. However, after a training session I looked down and saw Powder shavings of my bike which shows that it’s still scratching. How do I properly tighten the axle, or place something in between so that this doesn’t happen?

[@Dcrainmaker]

It sounds like you might be using the wrong axle adapter, there are two different ones in the kit (or, have it backwards). Do you know where the shavings are coming from?

[@Tsnor150]

Were you able to use a different ERG MODE app or just zwift? e.g. wahoo's free app ? (subbed, great content, ty)

[@Chader9]

ERG mode will work with any app that supports it.

[@Tsnor150]

@@Chader9 Exactly, was wondering which APPs would support (or successfully ignore) virtual shifting in erg mode. Seems like it should work, however it'd be nice to have confirmation.

[@Tsnor150]

@@Chader9 GP Lama confirms you are correct and erg mode works as expected.

[@1981djt]

SRAM flat top chain compatible? Read that the Zwift trainer wasn’t technically compatible. Thanks

[@Dcrainmaker]

Technically not perfectly compatible, but practically speaking, perfectly compatible. You can see the bike in this review is a 12-sp flattop chain, and I also used a 12sp Shimano bike too. Over the long arc of many years it’ll add a bit more wear, but chains are cheap viewed in that lens. Likewise, it’ll be a tiny bit louder too, but frankly almost impossible to hear differences to 11sp chain over breathing.

[@DennisNowland]

That cog doesn't look very sturdy to me wonder how long it'll last

[@lucho0208100]

I see you are using a one by, does it make a difference when Using the big ring or the small ring in the front ?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Nope, it's a 2x bike. In either case, for the Zwift Hub, they recommend using the small ring.

[@michaelhotten752]

What happens when you change rings during a session? Sim? Erg?

[@ToumalRakesh]

Great review as always - but I have to say your microphone sounds quite bad. Almost like you're recording a zoom call.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yeah, I need to do more padding. It's a really tough balance for me in that I'm literally in a concrete box. So I have to use a bunch of echo-removing tools, but those sometimes make it worse. Maybe that's a tomorrow task.

[@cokebottles6919]

I prefer using a regular cassette and my on bike power meter for consistency. My Kickr PM isn't that far off on average, but it is different at different cadences. At 70-75rpm, it's spot on with my PM, but shows 5-15 watts less at 80-90rpm (this could be from the drive train) then spikes up in power by 20-40 watts when I stand and peddle vs my bike PM. I don't know which is more accurate, but I ride outside more so just go with that.

[@MarcraM82]

Can this be used in erg mode on the wahoo kickr app?

[@alanposner5575]

Just wondering, do we leave the chain in the front on the small ring or large ring?

[@Alfons_Zitterbacke]

On my Kickr Core Zwift One the chain is left in the small ring. On the larger ring the chain is not in ideal line and so there is too much noise.

[@SpearingWithSlurpey]

wait so the Zwift hub one is going away? I literally just bought it 2 days ago...

[@paceline]

You're getting 2 more years of support. Trainer technology doesn't change very much so you're probably fine for the next 3-4 years.

[@karlj711]

will this work with the Wahoo V6?

[@Chader9]

Yes, once they upgrade and release the new firmware.

[@yoeddy0420]

Wahoo!!!!!! we need other app compatibiliity!!!!

[@craigg9742]

DC - Do you think this is a 'partnership' between Zwift and Wahoo or previously undisclosed agreement to settle that big lawsuit Wahoo filed against Zwift a while ago? 🤔

[@Dcrainmaker]

It's both.

[@paulmorgan7743]

So, on Zwift erg mode for structured workouts + just riding and changing gears is all good. If I were to use it on wahoo systm, no gear changing but erg will be fine for the structured workout?

[@tmhudg]

Correct. However, changing gears with the Click - in Zwift - is not that great in my opinion. There is a lag on the shift until you feel it in the pedals and even then it's quite abrupt. It just doesn't feel the same as a real shift (of course) and I don't really like it.

[@edwiser]

Does it just a one front chain ring system. Can you change to gearing set ups. Or does it have the same gear for every user

[@thedownunderverse]

Yes but only double of the inside drive

[@thisstuschannel]

Maybe they will be able to ship worldwide.....

[@stuartyb65]

Hi Ray does the click use up one of your connections to apple tv ?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yes, it does.

[@EternalLife42]

How big does a bike have to be be?

[@chris1275cc]

If I'm understanding this correctly, couldn't I just leave my existing 11 speed cassette (that is compatible with my regular trainer bike) on the trainer, shift it to the 17 or middle of the block to use this feature on Zwift and still retain all my physical gears for using other apps?. And as a bonus if I ever wanted to use my 12 speed bike* (or any other bike) I could just drop it on the 11 speed cassette, put it in one cog and use it with this feature but only in Zwift? Or am I missing something? *I'm on Shimano but I use YBN 12s chains (which I know work fine on an 11)

[@ErickMoreno]

You can use virtual gears with your current cassette, no problem at all.

[@chris1275cc]

@@ErickMoreno Thanks man, I think my brain just wouldn't let me believe that because I already have a Kickr and the play controls I will basically be getting somthing from the cycling industry for fee 😂

[@singult1959]

I heard about a week ago that if we ordered the play controller now, that the virtual shifting software update for the Kickr V6 may be released before the play controller arrived. Well, I ordered the play controller and it arrived yesterday and it still does not work on the Kickr V6. I hope that the software update comes very soon! Does anyone have any idea when it will be released?

[@Dcrainmaker]

It started rolling out a few hours ago, and will be fully complete by Monday. :)

[@singult1959]

Do you have any idea on the timing for the software update to allow the Kickr v5 to use virtual shifting with the play controllers?

[@johngrasso1622]

Can you use your cassette with the shift buttons and just leave your chain on the same # tooth cog?

[@Chader9]

Yes.

[@erikhaga3136]

Do you know if this will be available on Kickr V6 og Kickr Move ??

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yes, soonish.

[@osctec]

My Zwift Hub One arrived yesterday and when trying to remove the preinstalled through axel adaptor with the provided wrench I rounded the adaptor (not an uncommon issue). Zwift wants me to take it to a bicycle shop for them to remove the adaptor but I could just return it as faulty. Does anyone have any thoughts on if I return it and get this trainer or seek help from a local shop? Thanks

[@JeremyDawesJezweb]

If they are going to pay the bike shop sure or if you have a really good ongoing service and purchase history with the shop and want a reason to get them a coffee and say hi. Seems easier to just return it as faulty.

[@MrChadLedford]

So buy the discounted zwift one for 480 or get this for 600? Im very new to all of this.

[@js736-i5g]

Are the discounted Zwift ones still available? I'm guessing I'm a little late seeing this because I don't find them on their site anymore.

[@BrianKellison]

Closer to 20% subscribers 🎉

[@Dcrainmaker]

Awesome, thanks!

[@BjornBrasse]

Bought Zwift Hub One two months ago, only to learn that it is possibly dead in 2 years... great... rake on!!

[@DanKla91]

why is it dead? as long as it runs its the better trainer in terms of quality. When it dies in the warranty period either they give u a kickr core or refund u the price.

[@BjornBrasse]

@DanKla91 I think it is dishonest to sell a product that you know you are going to discontinue in the near future. I understand why they do it, but you could also have a co.pany philosophy to be fair to your customers, especially if you're mainly selling software and the main interest is to keep clients on the platform....

[@DanKla91]

@@BjornBrasse every product will be discontinued at some Day. If u buy a Smartphone and a month later comes the new one u also wont try to return it. U have 30 days of return policy. If the Trainer looks like New u can return it. Otherwise its just bad luck. But be happy u have the zwift hub One. I got 3 kickr cores here with more or less the same noise and Vibration problems. I read a lot before about the kickr core is very bad in terms of quality and reliability but i gave it a Chance. Now i extra bought the Zwift Hub One in Sale and its just perfect. Super quiet and no vibrations. My wife also have one. Hope it lasts very long.

[@darinsteele7091]

Kikr core has auto calibration now

[@dknight212]

Yeah, that's a biggy. I doubt that will be rolled out to older versions but it would be great.

[@MrDirrrty]

Any idea if this will be compatible with the Kickr v4?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yes, it will.

[@EternalLife42]

The Best !

[@Grant-bu4nj]

DC can you just buy the cog

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup, on Zwift's site, just the COG+Click.

[@dannymayo298]

Do you expect the Kickr Snap to get the virtual shifting update?

[@thebcrew8942]

So, we are making our way back to the stationary bike?

[@NathanBudd]

Do you plan to do any kind of video/review on Indy Velo?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yup!

[@curtisCclarke]

I am an independent bike store owner. In my opinion, it is worth spending a little bit more money to get a Tacx® FLUX S Smart Trainer. The Tacx Flux S trainer offers a heavier flywheel which ensures a realistic ride feel, & good responsiveness compared to a Wahoo Kickr Core. Moreover, a Tacx Flux S has a synthetic rubber that is far more durable, heat-resistant, & wear-resistant than a Wahoo Kickr Core -- which should make it last much longer.

[@Chader9]

Please show me the chain drive of the Tacx Flux. Last I saw it was still a rubber belt (like every other smart trainer outside of the Neo).

[@Chader9]

@@curtisCclarke kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXXIZYuXnbRjmqssi=44tx24brFbThUhp1&t=53

[@Chader9]

@@curtisCclarkeThat's 3 examples with belts. Now it's your turn to share your chain driven examples (which I personally don't believe exist in the first place).

[@Chader9]

Ironic that you nuke your chain claim reply, then edit your OP to now mention "synthetic rubber" as some sort of benefit while still referencing the same "chain benefits". There is essentially no difference between the belts used between Tacx and Wahoo so that is hardly a point to stand on when ranking them. Outside of that, you can actually admit when you make a mistake instead of sweeping it under the rug like you've done.

[@curtisCclarke]

@@Chader9 : First off, it is the middle of the afternoon. I do not have much time right now. My own was to respond back to you tonight.

[@idontwantacallsign]

Awesome news that the existing Kickr trainers will get an update giving us this option.

[@JTuretsky]

Terrible time to have just purchased the Zwift Hub One about 6 weeks ago.

[@elliekusa65]

Most people are returning it.

[@JTuretsky]

@@elliekusa65 I’m outside the return window

[@bitminerbob6731]

Been watching your vids for years but wasn't subbed. Just fixed that.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Awesome, thanks!

[@z135210]

This will work perfect for me as a I have a semi-busted bike I was wondering what to do with the frame. Rather than rebuilding a whole bike I can just use this as a dedicated indoor trainer.

[@AaronChancey75]

It be cool if ANT compatible shifters could control it.

[@saracen888]

I have a Kickr V5 and it’s been flawless but have a question. Are these trainers more accurate at higher flywheel speeds in erg mode as I do nearly all workouts in the 52t up front and somewhere in the middle of the cassette block for chain alignment. Plus it feels nicer, in my opinion. But I’m intrigued by the accuracy as so forums say you should use your turbo in the small gear up front?! Can you settle this? Thanks

[@Chader9]

The are LESS accurate at higher flywheel speeds from the numerous tests I have seen.

[@Silidons91]

⁠@@Chader9i always keep mine (for like 4 years now) in the big chain ring. Feels weird when I have it in the small.

[@BS-ze1sw]

Hi , if I buy Wahoo Kickr Core Zwift One can I use cassette in the future ?

[@andrewevans9514]

I'm subscribed so not in the 80something!!!;}}. also very helpful info cheers

[@bartoszbishopm.7191]

wait, does it mean that virtual gears feature does not work with Wahoo X?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Correct.

[@neilowens67]

Is this coming to the kickr as well as the kickr core?

[@kovie9162]

Also, is there any way to know what each gear # from 1 to 24 corresponds to in terms of gear inches/cm or chainring/cog ratio? I suppose that eventually you'll just get a feel for things but it would be nice to be able to know this for people used to physical shifting.

[@Dcrainmaker]

No, not at this point. :(

[@jimpeyton1459]

​@@Dcrainmaker I think your mate GP Lama had some quick and dirty numbers for the two extremes...all the numbers in between could be derived for #s 2 thru 23. All based on front ring size...

[@_Zane__]

Can you adjust derailleur tension to get rid of the noise or is the cog just too thick for narrow 12 speed chains?

[@Dcrainmaker]

It's just too thick.

[@ginomordocco4710]

Use a 14T cog from a Shimano cassette. Makes the noise much less!

[@junksmiles]

If you put a normal cassette on, then used the virtual shifting, could you theoretically expand the virtual gearing range by using your normal shifting? Say you run out of virtual gears going up a climb, but you're still in the front big ring, you could downshift the front chainring and get more gearing.

[@ErickMoreno]

Virtual shift already have more range than any real road gears. Why would you need even more?

[@JeremyDawesJezweb]

I’d rather just leave the existing cassette in place.