Waiting to Win the Ring: Chiffona Thompson v "Orvalle" Williams II S24 E25

Chiffona says if Timothy doesn’t propose, she'll kick him out and charge back 5 years’ worth of expenses. He argues she’s a party animal who hasn’t proven she’s ready for a family.
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[@bunnibrick]

Omg this is embarrassing…..she literally begging for a ring from a man who is saying he is having 2nd thoughts 🥴

[@bunnibrick]

I have never been sooooo embarrassed second hand

[@JeNn0mic0n]

@@bunnibrick For real tho!

[@Roseclan24]

She's an extremely unbalanced super victim that's too concerned w/appearances. Bought herself a ring, told him to take that ring, get on his knee and propose to her right then and there all while emasculating him, belittling him, hiding him from her family AND _lying the whole time about her tubes being tied._ *Good luck with that with any man.*

[@ski740]

She can control him that's why she wants him. A man with more income will not put up with her bull.

[@michaelrodgers9064]

@@ski740 facts.

[@Realtalknewyorkwithjanique]

If you have to do all this he doesn’t love you! 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@dionnehenry7655]

This is absolutely the saddest case I've every watched. The deception , the emotional dysfunction & desperation is unfathomable!

[@delorisnoel1898]

20 years tube tied. Reversible, oh yeah! Boy run!

[@lovette7684]

The tears suddenly stopped when he said she had her tubes tied.

[@taytay3922]

That man was not a user. Idk why they tried to create that narrative. She’s so wrong.

[@riellekoy7196]

He was using her as a financial resource but for her to tell such a huge lie I'm not surprised she attracted someone who would drain her of all her resources.

[@Janneel.Christine]

Exactly, plus, her antics make her a very unattractive spouse. He already knows that she's not leaving no matter what, so he was just getting what he wanted out of the situation. They're both terrible and manipulative, and homeboy knew he had that ace up his sleeve to use as his ultimate excuse why he hasn't married her!

[@roslynhawkins1475]

That's her stupidity. She's old enough not to engage in silly young girl behavior. Women can and should be held responsible for the choices they make.

[@riellekoy7196]

Its not young girl behavior it's just her being manipulate and a serious character flaw that screams crazy.

[@Mgotdamnit]

Exactly

[@GreenGiant873]

​@Janneel.Christine Very true, that her secret was his Trumph Card

[@carolynharris6853]

She is pathetic & and she'd brings a ring. There is too much pressure for this young man. Run away from each other.

[@sweetsweet81]

She's as manipulative as he is, if not more. She had everybody going with her tears, but come to find out she's been lying the whole time they've been together. You see them waterworks dried up when she got busted. He dangled the carrot of marriage in front of her; she dangled the carrot of children in front of him, and they both snatched it away from each other. Let them narcissistic folks stay together!!! They're too toxic for anybody else. 😔

[@Happygolucky1989]

Robert’s 😮 “Bomba”. Lol! 🙊 The ugly crying. The desperation of this woman … the drama!! This episode has it all

[@IamGodsVessel77]

Whew!! The second hand embarrassment!! I would NEVER!! A Queen, would NEVER!!!!! Good Job, and Great advice Judge Star!!

[@coolasscee2613]

As judge Lynn always say never let a man tell u more than once he don’t want you

[@empressbellablaqq]

He’s an actor on Homicide Hunter: Lt. Joe Kenda right!?!? I’m not trippin’ right !?!? 🤔

[@IMeanIGuessWhatevs]

Girl… STAND UP!… STAND!!! UPPP!!!

[@derishaturner83]

You keep expecting a ring, but it’s not gonna make him different. You’re too young to deal with this. There’s a million other men better than him.

[@teresaj.4103]

This is just sad and PATHETIC!!! Ladies, there is nothing wrong with being single until you find the one who values YOU!!! She really needs to learn how to love herself first...she will hurt and cry for a while but life goes on.

[@thankfulblessed8496]

Sounds like he just wants to knock her up without committing to her and then he would have her paying him child support

[@AmayaRue2360]

That's a love addict right there . Crying for a proposal like an addict crying for a fix. She's a manipulator too . When chips don't go her way she becomes nasty. When she was caught with the 20 year lie, what was that " you a grown man " about? Sure wasn't an apology. An overt and a covert narcissist playing each other

[@TheLiline514]

He felt it from the get go that she was not honest. Therefore, he did not married her. Thank God he didn't marry her. She's trouble.

[@OriqinallyFlyness]

She just wanna get married to get married because sis how he supposed to take you seriously and he haven’t met ya family in 5 years! At the beginning he said he changed his mind because of her personality and I see it. She’s all about her.

[@cinnamonbrown47]

OMG!!! NO WORDS!!!

[@brandonwilliams315]

He ain’t use her though…. They lived together, and he worked… she just made more bread

[@goodgirl170]

Everybody talking about the woman but he been with her for 5 yrs and has no money or pride so they deserve one another.

[@katrinikadixon6319]

She probably got one of those families that, she the only one not married or because of her age and she’s not married yet.

[@sylvia5459]

She didn’t want her 20yr old daughter to see them sleep in the same room together, and here she is crying and begging a man on a global platform to marry her. What would her daughter think of that???!!!!!!!!

[@qwilliams416]

FR Make it make sense n if ya family think he’s playing you then obviously they knw y’all together so they should expect to see him She crazy smh

[@lajuanajackson9368]

That's what I was getting ready to say.

[@natashademei1172]

First he sopossed to build a connection with the kids and family I hope he don't take her back she don't deserve it

[@shesuniqueinherownwaybenja7647]

Exactly

[@bsowell10]

@@lajuanajackson9368 l

[@BrandiJez]

Her desperation is embarrassing and heartbreaking. You shouldn't want to marry someone that you have to beg to marry you and that you lie about having your tube tied.

[@nikkyk2016]

True.

[@BriaLoveElias]

💯

[@faxycsay9716]

Bingo!!! Exactly my thoughts, Brandi. It's simply embarrassing for her to be crying tears of million rivers. I couldn't stop laughing hahahahahahahahahaha.

[@dtheman0114]

Facts 💯

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

She’s been lying as well tubes ties and don’t want him to meet her family 😂😂😂

[@ashleye406]

The way Starr started packing up her stuff after she find out how long ago the tubes were tied, I am screaming!!

[@brandyeduncan7285]

😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@srh14]

that was the best part 🤣🤣🤣

[@danitragoss1070]

Slid them papers in that folders so slyly….😂

[@danitragoss1070]

‘I’m done here’

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

😂😂😂😂😅

[@maxdminimalist715]

I can't even describe the level of secondhand embarrassment I felt watching this grown woman bawling and begging this broke baby boy to propose to her 😱 She needs intensive therapy STAT.

[@lovetteballard6054]

The the comment I felt the most

[@bernadettebeatty3899]

Girl u broken

[@kairu5607]

He may be a user but she brought him to the show to give him an ultimatum, bought a ring to force him into proposing, then tied her tubes 20 years ago and lied to him about it? And she keeps calling him a manipulator? 🤔 Look in the mirror lady! This is a match made in purgatory. Meanwhile, how good does judge Star look!!

[@babiiluv7931]

🤣🤣🤣🤣😩😩😩😩😩😩

[@kittyb275]

Match made in purgatory 😅

[@shalanathomas7751]

@@kittyb275 right! 😂😂

[@lorenzomalone3105]

Well said

[@qwilliams416]

This‼️👌🏾 Perfectly said Cus she’s weird I was feeling some what Sympathetic towards her but as the case went on I seen her true colors lol as he would say but honestly they BOTH A HOT ASS MESS AND NEED TO WORK ON THEMSELVES SEPARATELY ‼️

[@aratang2948]

Robert killed me at the end when he said he’d seen telenovellas with less drama. This was a mess from start to finish.

[@sashanawhyne6837]

😂😂

[@lovette7684]

I bust out laughing when Robert said "Ay bomba"...

[@iheartdates]

"I've seen Spanish novelas with less drama." Robert, you killed me with that one! She needs therapy ASAP.

[@dijauneaiymuan9834]

They both need therapy

[@ToBi-xr2mg]

“Baby, you don’t want a baby anyway!” From the 43 year-old woman who shielded her man from her family, tied her tubes for 20 years, bought her ring, waited 5 years into a relationship to disclose the information, and expects to be married or reimbursed. ‘Aye Bomba’ is an understatement.

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

😂😂😂😂

[@BproDUCKtive]

She’s the red flag 🚩 too. I never want to be this lonely but her lying is exactly why he has reservations. She is just like this and more at home

[@claudiaknight804]

Can u say hot mess!!😮😮

[@nikkyk2016]

BSET COMMENT !!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Tigerlillielibra]

And she is walking out of the courtroom with him STILL begging. Unbelievable. She humiliated herself on national TV.

[@lindawilliams7845]

She can't even make it make sense

[@oladokunsamuel5923]

She really does like him...even if she gets another man. She's gonna cheat on the man with this dude

[@lindawilliams7845]

She gives women a bad name

[@cyoung9315]

Lying about her tubes being tied for twenty years is a deal breaker and her knowing he wanted children. He's right , embarrassing!!!

[@donusutomasu6614]

Very much so….and begging for a ring to trap him…

[@beautifullyours]

👏🏾💯👍🏾

[@giggybless3406]

he was using condoms so either of them wanted Children ,,,they are crazy or she wasn't taking any chances she wanted to make sure he was serious before she untied her tube witchmakes sense but then again having a baby with a man doesn't mean you have him,,,I don't know but it's crazy

[@howdyyall4352]

They're actors. Chiffon Ray and Orvalle Williams. This was a paid gig.

[@kevinknox1239]

I would tell her keep it pushing.

[@Afrolatinalexi]

She didn’t want him to meet the family bc they would’ve mentioned that she can’t have kids!! Then she loses him...just trifling. This is SO SAD..she bought her own ring.😔

[@canwetalk1790]

Never thought of that but that is an excellent point

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

😂😂😂😂 that lady need to quit it

[@collinssha23]

Like Frfr smh how you gonna marry someone yo kids ain’t even met grown or not? I could never. I understand his point on that.

[@ImmABOsS0322]

You crying for the world to see, but won’t let him meet ur grown kids….🥱

[@TsarOfRuss]

She was abused as a kid too... thats why she doesnt trust any man around her kids, the sign is extremely clear

[@KrysBrown89]

Let me get this straight. They’ve been living together for THREE years and she’s concerned about her 20 year old child seeing they sleep in the same room? Won’t let him meet her family. She sounds like she’s playing games. I see why he’s dragging his feet based on her behavior. And she’s had her tubes tied for 20 years and never told him. Wow!

[@pennidud4932]

40 something years old with grown-A kids acting like she is 19 yrs old! She actually brought her own ring..Then drops her own bomb! Make this make sense!

[@barryscott1160]

All you gotta do is get on your knees and propose 😂😂🤣

[@Evadoa]

@@barryscott1160 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop making me laugh lol

[@kellielynne253]

I'm embarrassed for her with all that begging

[@monica62888]

I went straight to the comments after that

[@danikiaettson7876]

@@monica62888 Same! Lol

[@5822huron]

It's sad

[@racheller]

Lordddd have mercy,smh.

[@victoriadaka6332]

Me too 😢

[@Kendallslovejoy]

Wow….. this was really a plot twist situation. I’m in tears as she begs this man to propose to her and she even bought her own ring and then he hit us with “her tubes are tied” wtf! But did you see how her tears dried up real fast and she changed her emotions. So imagine what he goes through at home. It’s her own fault she chose this dude and it’s partly her fault he won’t marry her. This was a good episode. Somebody tell baby girl to stop playing victim.

[@farmermarshall]

a plot twist is right. Seems scripted.

[@sweetsweet81]

Yep. She's just as manipulative as he is.

[@jameelah4439]

Fake tears

[@Soul_Fed]

I agree with your comment. I honestly believe he cared about her at some point in the relationship, but as time went on and skeletons started coming out thats when he started using her (but tried to dumb it down by taking her on dates and get herassages that I'm sure doesn't equate to 2200, the car down payment or the 800 dollars.) She brought it upon herself and if she felt ashamed for living with him she should have moved.

[@Soul_Fed]

@@farmermarshall honestly, a lot of these feel scripted. Especially with them standing there in the beginning as Judge Star talks about the episode.

[@missj26]

This was so juicy. It was like watching a movie. Judge Star is bringing and giving it to them straight

[@crenterprises3711]

A 22-minute movie. I loved it. I just hope those people weren't acting.

[@maryjanesbaby9392]

@@crenterprises3711 You can’t fake this type of stupidity because it’s too embarrassing.

[@healingtiasway5501]

The way she’s aggravated me by being so desperate! So many women over 35 act like this. They don’t think about making themselves happy or just being bc they’re so desperate for a man. It’s disgusting!

[@bestdarky19]

It's so ridiculous they are desperate. I does always say if anything happens to my husband God forbid. I don't want another relationship he's all I know since school day's together 18yrs now. Married 5yrs almost on 6. Me all I will do is live for my kids and my self. They will never be calling someone else dad. Crazy.......! These women needs to know there worth.

[@UncensoredCowboy]

It’s because they start to realize the prospect of dying alone getting more and more real everyday. At 43 she most likely has less time ahead than behind. This was an example of fear or being alone.

[@tishmonikemassey3781]

I'm over 35 and trust I would never behave as she did...Ole gurl special and need sone serious help.

[@tinajackson6875]

I guess you never felt desperate for a man and please don't even lie.

[@monicabrown9258]

I’m 51 and no way in hell would I behave this way or treat myself so disrespectful. How can he respect her when she has no self respect. She does not know her worth

[@latoyas191]

I hate she made a fool of herself like this. As long as he knows he affects her like this, he can do or not do whatever he wants. Also, she shouldn't have lied. It just needs to be over.

[@clueannwilliams1069]

So true

[@StrangePrettyThings]

After her performance its no longer about what this man is doing ..she is a whole mess

[@janiceparkerson4727]

Exactly.

[@debraporter929]

I am embarrassed for her ,omg

[@KeithLaGrone]

She's more concerned with "wasting her time" than trying to understand from the past. I agree with him, that if she's embarrassed to bring you around the family, you have to reconsider. In total, they shouldn't be together, but it's not all on him.

[@chevonefalls3747]

Lord knows I'd pay to see Judge Toler on this case bc she needs some Tolerisms and self respect.

[@TheCandaceb10]

Yes! Star did great but Judge Lynn would’ve gotten them both all the way together especially her

[@yungerallenelectricalcontr6415]

Amen Nobody did it like her.

[@gogokris85]

And Judge Faith too. So that she can work on her self love and self esteem.

[@jenniferbrown6778]

I said where is Judge Mablene for her

[@yomajestytoyou2565]

That age gap so embarrassing! She’s 10yrs older than him and acting like a damn child on national tv! She doesn’t want him to meet her daughter because she’s probably insecure about their age difference… Then the tubes tied lie

[@gogokris85]

She’s yet to introduce her grown kids to her boyfriend of five years but he introduced his family to her and they’re living together and sleeping together in the same bed together. What the hell of an example is she setting for her grown children? None. It’s poor, pathetic and weak as hell.

[@tinajackson6875]

She has no reason to be insecure, she's absolutely stunning better looking than women half her age.

[@anniebradford8854]

She’s a very nice lady,got the wrong thoughts about marriage

[@hiramabiff5236]

@@tinajackson6875 Yup.... I was/am wondering WTH she wants with his broke azz...plenty of men would want a beauty

[@lfbutterfly]

That’s because they are paid actors. 😂 Chiffona Thompson & Orvalle Williams.

[@shesuniqueinherownwaybenja7647]

She don’t even care she just wants a man, at any damn cost 😢

[@GigiLeflair]

When Robert said, “Aye,Bomba!” I hollered because she made that Dominican man turn into an abuelita with that hot tea she spilled 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@lakitaperkins8669]

Auntie Star stay fly.

[@beedabee1221]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@keishamckenzie649]

Cryingggg lololol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thebarbieinvestor5428]

Lmaoooo

[@ClinicalCounselingWithTselane]

Then Star at the end said, “Holla!” 🤣🤣🤣💯

[@pierremalis2576]

U cannot meet my daughter but it is ok to expose our entire relationship beefs in front of the entire world ! 200 IQ Move right there !

[@candygilmore1760]

That right there 💯!!!!!

[@terranceburton4591]

Give that chick an Oscar 🏆

[@radrew684]

Best performance for Fake Tears

[@ericajessicafitness]

They both acting

[@sashanawhyne6837]

@@ericajessicafitness got to be😂

[@asamatteroffact9247]

@@ericajessicafitness that's exactly what I was thinking.

[@davital.washington7416]

They real people lol I know people who been on this show.

[@atay9923]

In the words of my girl Lynn Toler "never make a man tell u he doesn't want u more than once".... Her daughters are not going to be proud of their mom begging a man to marry her forget sleeping together

[@latrecia4811]

Yes! Judge Toler so so much. She's irreplaceable.

[@gogokris85]

She should have listened to Judge Lynn on that.

[@jetuanr988]

Amen! I use that quote all the time!! This chick was something else though 🤯🤯

[@RTA6226]

She is SO pathetic! As the Judge said, she is living in a fantasy world. All that crying for this grown ass man!

[@RTA6226]

She had her tubes tied 20 years ago! She was "going to tell him." WOW! Then she BEGS him! They BOTH need intensive therapy individually, not collectively.

[@bgurley1998]

"I have the ring already, all you have to do is get on your knees and propose" MA'AM!?? Lmao omg that's sooo crazy

[@kerrywhite5253]

Omg I can barely watch the litigants because Judge star slays every look!! From makeup to outfit, to accessories. She's killing it. !!!Elegant, classy and regal. She's lit!!!😍😍😍😍

[@shannondonnelly7985]

I love the suits,but I think she really looks stunning in dresses!

[@ladybugbrack2834]

I agree 100%

[@SakinahPalmer]

Omg I think she looks amazing too

[@watwat3806]

Right?? Stunning!

[@uniquedeb]

beautiful

[@lizzyjoledo5441]

Can we all agree judge star is a fashionista

[@horschiday9449]

Oh yesss 😂

[@vanessakenney3144]

Yes she is. At 57, I can definitely say Star represents us seasoned woman very well.

[@ozonejar]

No cuz she had me wearing Payless in high school proud of it

[@catherinelyle8022]

Love that dress and she is styling

[@Layerlol]

The reality is that she's freaking out because she knows that the clock is ticking for her, she's already in her 40s and the fact that that man left her puts her in extreme stress because she so desperate to be given a ring but she knows deep down that she won't find a man as good as him ever again and on top of that her chances of finding commitment from a younger man is slim to none, Sure they'll blow her back out but no commitment will be given. Remember at the end of the day women may have control access to sex but us men control who gets that ring

[@ZumbaZINJPanda]

Now, I see it. She didn't want her family around him because he might say something about having a baby and they're going to say chile, She can't have no babies. She had her tubes tied 20 years ago. I feel sorry for him now.

[@Melissamy5]

She wanted to trap him then act like she’s having fertility issues then he’s stuck if he wanted children it wouldn’t be with her.

[@johntaylor4206]

you are so right

[@dezojac4551]

Exactly

[@dezojac4551]

They are dressed alike

[@beautifullyours]

Yup 💯👏🏾👍🏾

[@ELITEmyfrat]

I'm only 7 minutes in and I agree with dude. She's moving funny

[@gstaar4life]

The way that she was initially crying and begging him to make herself look like the victim and then when he revealed that she was very much just as bad by lying about Tsing her tubes so she immediately stopped crying is crazy. The manipulation and victimhood in the woman is alarming.

[@chasityc6618]

Because she was acting. Totally not real. She was auditioning for a role.

[@Melissamy5]

She’s been lying the whole time and hiding him until they got married in case someone in her family slipped out and told her secret. It’s no guarantee that she was or can get pregnant even after a reversal tubal ligation.

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

Bingo

[@ellensinclair3994]

5 years and he hasn't met your kids 🙄. This was sad , why is she begging him.

[@rozalwingo3530]

I know right she doesn’t want him to meet her children but she’s sleeping with him everyday sad

[@WanRa28]

but she is the one that doesn't want her children to meet him

[@gogokris85]

Chiffonia says that she is setting a better example for her grown kids but she really isn’t. Number one your children has not met that man and number two her children have no clue she’s sleeping with her boyfriend and living with him who he has yet to put a ring on it after five years. Then what’s worse she buy a ring and go on national TV embarrassing herself:!crying, begging, and pleading for her man to marry her. So Chiffonia that is not setting a good example for yourself and your children. Chiffonia your 43 years old and you’re acting like a desperate 17 to 21 years old. Grow the hell up.

[@wordplay6665]

For theatrics

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

😂😂😂😂

[@tabmajor27]

And she still was begging. He was even pushing her away. He better get as far away from her as possible because she might be crazy. This is like an episode of snap waiting to happen

[@GigiLeflair]

Whew chi…🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ That was truly embarrassing to watch. She begged that man for a wedding, not a marriage & she lied about tubes tied for the entire relationship. Oooh this was disgusting

[@MochaMadness74]

Oh no this woman needs to stop playing victim and take responsibility for her actions!!! She kept saying he manipulated her but after the first time she kept giving him money it’s her fault at that point…when he decided not to pay her back she should’ve left him then cuz he wasn’t being a man…but instead she keeps paying for more stuff knowing full well he’s not paying her back…she knew he was using her and still let him stay with her…at that point she was trying to buy his love…and she knew it so she gotta take responsibility…she had her own ring and begged him to stay with her…she is desperate…she’s so pretty but has low self esteem…she needs to get herself together without him…just embarrassed herself on national tv for a little boy…she need to stay single until she get it together!!!

[@adeolaade-ibijola1682]

Exactly 💯 Girl, bye 👋

[@jadakizz78tulie33]

Facts

[@armondocordova3121]

Thank you! All that yelling at him I can only image what he has to deal with on a daily

[@marquishah7149]

She need to heal.. she is very imbalance and need to let him go.

[@ski740]

I believe he was paying her back. But this time he look at the party money as his birthday gift. If he owe her any other money she would have brought it up no question.

[@VashtiPerry]

She is controlling. I’m trying so hard not to use the word crazy. He is Low performing. Both due to something.

[@MzLin08]

🎯

[@sinsawesomedays1110]

He used that tubes tied situation to flip the script on her lol

[@kiaradoxchannel9871]

I like Star for this show, it took me a few episodes to get used to it but Star is good.

[@monica62888]

Star made the show her own, love it.

[@TheChoralist]

Me too everyone was complaining but I knew in my gut she was gonna be great for this show soon as I heard the news! Judge Faith was always a snoozefest for me tbh & replacing judge Toler with faith was a big mistake! But soon as I heard star was taking over I was like omg that's a great idea I wonder why they didn't think of star sooner! She's an attorney, she's raw, vivacious and all around fly!

[@coast2criszy]

I feel so bad for her she clearly has a storybook fantasy in her head and is trying to get it fulfilled no matter what she needs therapy

[@Kgethego.Chiloane]

I came here to say exactly this. There’s an idea she has that she really wants to see fulfilled. I don’t think they’re compatible.

[@clueannwilliams1069]

I'm really embarrassed. Begging for a RING, oh no. No no no; & he is also low, real low. So sad...

[@michealtyler9702]

This bih crazy!

[@Thisismyhandle423]

Why feel bad when she lied about having her tubes tied. She's a manipulator.

[@michaelrodgers9064]

@@Thisismyhandle423 exactly and she doesn't want to be married she just wants a wedding.

[@domjones_who3849]

JUDGE STAR PACKING UP THOSE PAPERS WAS ALL I NEEDED TO SEE IN LIFE😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@horschiday9449]

She’s asking for money back for the ring SHE BOUGHT so he can propose to her?? Girl how in the world would you expect him to love, respect, and value you after this??

[@Amal-ku9xq]

They both seem manipulative and playing, and I wish both well in their future.

[@shukriaawale1099]

The ring was only 3,000 dollars” The nerve …A ring is just material thing …Love, respect, patience and loyalty is what builds a marriage.

[@rmmmmt2796]

I love how everyone is standing up for her but she's just as bad as he is. First off she offered that money, he didn't force her to pay anything. She didn't have to spend $2800 or the $800. She choose to do that. Hell I agree with him that he doesn't owe the money back. He didn't want to propose because he knows she's desperate and he knows whatever he does she'll hold it over his head. And the fact she hid the fact she had her tied tubes knowing he wanted a kid or possibly. Plus she's 43. The odds of her getting pregnant is low. So I don't feel bad for her. She knew what was doing but she was desperate for a man, and settled.

[@MzLin08]

I completely agree with you!! She plays the victim and manipulates him with her money in order for him to stay. He's a user and he gets away with it because she is so desperate.

[@Soul_Fed]

Also her throwing the money back in his face and making him feel like he doesn't matter. He wasn't going to marry her. And him finding out about her tubes being tied was all he needed to seal his decision

[@MsTaurus37]

She already said her baby making years have passed. And you're right, she didn't have to shell out that money. He said he paid her back the $800.00.

[@JeNn0mic0n]

Not on her side at all 😂 esp after he dropped that mic on her. She is a hypocritical MESS!

[@skylarjaxx2399]

@@MsTaurus37 they really haven't my grandma had a baby at that age but with the length her tubes being tied is the issue those things probably fused and no amount of untying will help that.

[@34Nails]

The fact that she had a nerve to cry about him not marrying her and then he later found out that she had her tubes tied and they have been for 20 years says a lot to me he has every right not to marry her I will not lead a man on like that knowing that my tubes are tied I would’ve told him from day one that they were tied and it would’ve been up to him to deal with it or not💯

[@essbenita]

She wasnt crying haha..

[@jordanr1694]

can you get it revseved after 20 years???

[@TheChoralist]

@@jordanr1694 my sister literally just paid a doctor $8,000.00 for her reversal and it's only been 7 years & she literally cried and said she's never been scammed so bad by anyone in her life especially a doctor! He filled her up with false hope. It's so so hard to get a reversal and it's a very slim chance it actually works & if it does it can have bad complications. He tried to tell my sister after the fact like oh your fallopian tubes too skinny or sum shit like that but it's a scam. She was suing the doctor but she just dropped the case cause it wasn't winnable unfortunately

[@jordanr1694]

@@TheChoralist wow

[@MamiOf3kids]

Mine 12yrs ago & I have a better chance of having a baby 👶 then her.

[@catherinewhitman8333]

How do you sue someone when the relationship doesn't end in marriage???? If this was doable ALOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE SUING EACH OTHER!!! Y'ALL ARE TOO CRAZY TO BE IN A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP!

[@annlulu29]

It's the way the judge just started to pack up her stuff after Plaintiff said, "20 years."

[@horschiday9449]

20 years? Those tubes are all scarred up! She be talking about reversing a procedure that old smh.

[@honeywest39j95]

@@horschiday9449 you clearly don’t know how a tube reversal works. Quit while you’re ahead…🙄

[@roslynhawkins1475]

@@honeywest39j95 The chances of a ligation reversal resulting in a successful pregnancy are extremely small to none, more so the amount of time thay has passed and her age.Do some research.

[@roslynhawkins1475]

@@horschiday9449 You're absolutely right. Even without the ligation, her age alone lessens the chance of a natural pregnancy exponentially.

[@roslynhawkins1475]

I'm 2 years older than she is and could never imagine having an adult temper tantrum. That money she gave him was to buy his submission. A sane, mature man would have run from her years ago. She got a younger man who's income is lower than hers. I'm sure she offered to help him and when he didn't do what she wanted, it turned into now you owe me. I hope he moves on.

[@_stlouisLady_]

🎯💯

[@CyborgNS6NL]

Bless you. You see it for what it is.

[@mase8705]

Finally! Some sense in the comment section.

[@kimriley69]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 well said

[@TripDarlin]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@Stephtheencourager]

She was crying like it’s the end of the world. My husband and I couldn’t believe what we were watching. I’m praying that God heals her broken heart and she needs counseling desperately!

[@bee12355]

She’s desperate for a man. Baby girl, Jesus loves you.

[@jessiemorales2017]

Fake Crockitle tears 🤣🤣🤣

[@howdyyall4352]

They're actors. Chiffon Ray and Orvalle Williams. This was a paid gig.

[@kevinknox1239]

God can't help her.

[@shushjones6671]

Ftb 😂

[@julianangwira9338]

It's not the number of years you've been together, it's how happy you've been in those years

[@queenofcliponearrings]

This saddens my spirit for a woman to not know her worth! You are worth so much more than a five year investment in a relationship. My parents divorced after 45 years and my mother didn't shed a tear. She hated she waited so long!!! Pray and know your power..

[@mfieldssogood]

This is GUT-WRENCHING 💔😭 Humiliation to the highest power!!!!!!

[@LoveAngel333]

Girl why you begging this man 🤦🏾‍♀️ omg this is heat breaking

[@marimarielove]

Right, with her beautiful self, looking like Nia Long

[@BadTV1993]

@@marimarielove boy if you dont stop that there lol

[@73came]

The desperation to have a ring OMG girl please 😂😂😂😂😂

[@BreedloveDaTruth]

Tried to marry him before he found out she couldn’t have kids😂

[@ELITEmyfrat]

Lol savage hahaha

[@christineowori750]

Hence why she opened with " my baby making years are over"

[@sweetsweet81]

@@christineowori750 I caught that too

[@BreedloveDaTruth]

@@christineowori750 she’s a liar period.

[@LeshaFBaby]

Kmsl

[@cajuncoco]

The moment he said he wanted kids she should have told him her tubes were tied. She is manipulative. Period.

[@nikkyk2016]

This is sad and ridiculous. I pray for her to know her worth and get it together.

[@juliusdv6657]

I don't believe he's intentionally using her; I think he has a thought process of that being in relationship makes them entitled to eachothers money and that favors shouldn't be counted, however, at a certain point no you have to be able to carry your own weight. Shouldn't be depending on your partner for 5 years. She need to stop all that damn crying lol..

[@worldhealthrn]

He's using her time...she's going along with itl, but that's the bigger issue

[@donusutomasu6614]

@@worldhealthrn disagree….if he introduces her to his family, why can’t she introduce him to hers???…..if he didn’t introduce her….then he was stringing her along…

[@kerrywhite5253]

Perhaps if he has to put a $3,000 ring on layaway, he isn't financially secure to be married. If he has to "borrow" $1,000 for a party,he cannot afford to be married now. What do ya'll think????? Please chime in.

[@Hopeguz3]

I agree.

[@MzLin08]

I definitely agree. He is a user and he needs to step up as a man. Also the problem is with her because she uses money to manipulate him into staying and doing what she wants. And when he doesn't do what she wants, she dangles the money, she had no problem giving, to his face! They shouldn't be married!

[@marcusjones2961]

😂 look here I spent 1000 on my birthday this week I'm 31 now n plus who can't afford a 3000 ring save up 500 per month like wtf it's common sense I guess he looking for a sugar momma our here

[@kg7032]

Tubal ligation 20 years ago and he had to go through her phone to find out 🤦🏾‍♀️🙅🏾‍♀️ $10,000 and the Dr. on speed dial but it never occurred to her to tell him the truth.

[@Msravenb]

Her breakdown in the end was so concerning. I hope she finds peace within herself and can move forward.

[@loadedpipe1311]

That was manipulative on her side

[@jessicat2304]

It was giving gone girl

[@tammyspeight7553]

I think the judge calling him a user was unfair

[@justsayin3195]

Oh good!!! Cause I thought it was just me. I didn’t agree with the judge and though she was one sided

[@shamillaberman9834]

I’m in shock 😳 hopefully she finds her worth, because this is definitely not it!!💯

[@raquelwoods6187]

I wish judge Lynn could have had this case

[@Eu_PorAi]

When Robert said "BOMBA" in disbelief, I done lost it there 🤣🤣🤣

[@LME101_]

The guy is actually a sweetheart. She was so manipulative to the point where you would think this dude is a bad dude, but he isn’t. All he needed was some boundaries set and let to be the man in the relationship and he would have either stepped up or left.

[@kisakyejaquiline259]

That's true she has a bad tamper dont like it

[@bernicehatsu3022]

He is not a good guy he uses her to get money He said he wanted kids but always used protection

[@roslynhawkins1475]

@@bernicehatsu3022 She's much older than him and should be smarter. She tried to buy him and it backfired. That makes her silly, not gullible.

[@iambicpentameter9510]

He's from Atlanta...he's sweet alright

[@black_goddess2813]

@@bernicehatsu3022 just because somebody says they want kids doesn’t mean they want them right than and there

[@Sunshine-qy2pj]

He isn’t a user she is just trying to buy him with her money!

[@MouthPeaceCorbett]

Not gonna lie, I think she went a bit too hard on them. Hes not using her, he clearly said he pays bills and ahe didnt dispute it. Shes more traditional minded, so she wanted him to make more money. But hes young and fun. Shes gorgeous, makes money, and though loud and talkative, is highky intelligent; both have attractive personalities. To me, the problem is the age gap and financial roles. I believe she tried to mold him into something (help him make more money than her) that didn't come to fruition, so she decided to take control by flaunting her finances. He couldn't get to the level she wanted, and most people expect their significant other to help ehen they need things, but saw she was willing to give and he took it a bit too far because she clearly has the money. She started taking this as manipulation(i think he just uses her for big funding), but she holds this against him and manipulates as well and demasculates him(remember, hes young, not hard for an older woman to do. Her performance at the end also have mr this thoughtas well). They should def break up, but neither are bad people, just different wants at clearly diff stages in life.

[@sweetsweet81]

Just so you know, it's emasculate. Not being funny; just helping out. You are correct, though.

[@donusutomasu6614]

@@sweetsweet81 not forgetting…the most important part…tubes tied for 20 years….that’s why he was hesitant to marry her….because of how he found out…

[@nancysimone1021]

This was the bottom of the barrel, they’re both totally embarrassing. But she’s in a deep pit of her own design and she keeps digging deeper

[@ChrissyVelvet429]

He needs to run fast. He is too young to be dealing with someone's grown kids. She needs to get herself an older man.

[@foxyboop4164]

I agree!

[@marimarielove]

Yes, I don't even know why she would say she wants more children

[@wesleyshelby8163]

Older men are probably wiser to see through the games and won’t put up with this mess. As well older men are looking for younger women. Looks like she trapped herself by messing up in her younger years.

[@Myztic71]

I feel like there's a deeper issue with her, emotionally and psychologically that she needs to address separately from him.

[@tinajackson6875]

Me to.

[@vanessakenney3144]

Star Jones's list was on point, nothing but the truth. I'm embarrassed for her, BOTH OF THEM REALLY

[@JayloveTheFoodguy]

They are actors this was clear...

[@crenterprises3711]

I yelled and screamed and shook my head in disbelief and laughed. Every reaction and emotion you could think of. I loved this episode. The drama. Oh my!!!!

[@allnationshallbowbeforeyahowah]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@dspenderella9671]

I can't with her desperation. Crying big buckets of tears over this dude begging him trying to force a proposal. He's talking about robbing him of his manhood when it's already gone - he has her paying his medical/ dental bills, car notes, for parties he can't afford... He compares a restaurant reservation to $800 bills, $ 2,800 loans, etc...Like he's dropping $100s, but she's dropping $1,000s... That doesn't compare. She's asking him for a baby & he was talking to her about having them early on knowing d*mn well she can't have any children & he clearly doesn't want any with her... They are living a lie. Like Judge Star said - they're some of the most dysfunctional people I've ever seen who deserve each other🤦🏾‍♀️.