Walking Through Romans 11

Dr Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, walks through Romans 11 in response to a listener-submitted question.

[@grahamb5769]

WOW! I learned so much from this video. Romans 11 has never been clearer. Thank you Dr. Leighton.

[@MainframeSupertasker]

Leighton, thanks for sparkling why in the world jealousy could lead to salvation. "jealousy" didnt pop up in my head when i read the parable of the prodigal son. Luke 14 16 He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. 17 “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! And it makes so much sense :o

[@mrUNFORGOTEN]

Romans 11 in its original context really make more sense than I used to believe in Calvinistic theology. Thank you, Dr LF.

[@dashriprock5720]

I have been letting this Calvinist stuff get under my skin to the point of anxiety these past few days. I spent the entire day looking for answers, and the more passages I read, it didn't look good, until I read Romans 11 and vs 14 did it for me. I'm so glad you posted this and confirmed my interpretation. Thank you

[@CandaceAlytria]

Same! I haven’t eaten in days. I’ve ultimately just decided that I must not be elect. & God will turn me over to my reprobate mind. I’m in the verge of throwing up.

[@JaycobWitzel123]

@@CandaceAlytria I understand your feeling. I’ve had 3 bouts of something similar happening to me. Your blood goes cold and you almost feel ill thinking about their terrible doctrine.

[@nb7524]

Dear brother-in-Christ, thank you SO much for making these videos, they are very important and I am truly grateful!

[@NICKOODEMUS]

Thank you so much for making these videos, I was introduced to Calvinism and it confused me deeply. I started questioning God’s character and almost fell to the place of not believing in God if he was this evil person I felt Calvinism described. I’m so thankful I found your page! I switched churches and found a good Bible believing church that is more provisionalist. Keep doing what you are doing!

[@TheChurchSplit]

Great commentary. Appreciate it.

[@RuffCut]

I have been watching for a while now and your killing it when it comes to King Calvin !

[@elaineauo]

So good! Thank You, Lord!

[@alexmanuelhernandezconsoro2430]

Thanks a lot for your videos!!! Uplifting words!!! Greetings from 🍁🇨🇦😁

[@nataser2011]

Keep preaching and teaching the truth! We need more like you online everyone seems to be going to Calvinist religion (I call it religion) I was seeing a video of a young lady asking John MacArthur a question about her salvation and her mental struggles where I knew I was watching a false teacher was when she broke down asking “how do I know I am the elect” that legit broke my heart and I started to do more research and I couldn’t find any that weren’t Armeniasm until I found you and pastor Mike. Thank God for y’all! I’ll be praying for you!

[@CJ-lr4uq]

I can disagree with other Christians on certain doctrines and still keep the peace, but for some reason Calvinism in particular disgusts me on an astronomical level. I don't know how to see it as anything other than evil, narcissistic, callous and manipulative.

[@nataser2011]

I have to agree with you I’m praying for those thoughts to change because I’m getting more angry towards them. They call out all prosperity Pastors (which is great) and all the charasmatic churches for their way of worship and stuff yet they’re actually getting people saved (obviously the Holy Spirit) than them who always preach against them. I legit started praying and crying to God for being so dumb that I couldn’t understand Romans like they do but I kept reading and when I finished it I was like yeah this isn’t about us this is about the Israelites.... they always preach that the Bible is about God and not us yet they themselves use Romans for themselves

[@sgbc5863]

@@nataser2011 I'm not sure I understand your comment. Are you saying people don't get saved under calvinistic preaching?

[@nataser2011]

@@sgbc5863 actually I’m not I don’t think I said that at all, what I said was “hey some Calvinist really rebuke charismatics for their way of doing things yet they are constantly talking about salvation” so either way God WILL judge them for their way of doing things if they’re doing them wrong but I am sure he is happy that many souls won’t be going to hell :)

[@juanlmontejo]

@@sgbc5863 What saddens me about seeing comments like this is that I don´t think things should go this way, I´m not a calvinist but I don´t think this issues should bring such hatred and division between our brothers in Christ

[@saraircrew8517]

I felt this way for a long time. It occupied all my thoughts. If we did not give the people around us grace that we do not agree with we will live very carnal and angry lives. I do sometimes still struggle with being very angry with the calvinist system but I try my best to give the people grace.

[@livingwater7580]

Excellent ❤

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Paul is explaining who true Israel is and why they are true Israel. We who believe are true Israel and that's it and that's all. Thank you brother Flowers I love you in THE LORD

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo and what is the point you're trying to make reynaldo? Cut to the chase please..

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Show me a sctipture that says only the "elect" are saved.. Heck just show me a Scripture where election actually means salvation. LORD JESUS was the first chosen elect servant and I'm sure HE wasn't predetermined to be saved by HIS own precious grace.. I wasn't trying to be rude Reynaldo.. I just wanted a cut n dry point. Biblical context not just by verse or chapter but the whole of all the scriptures combined makes for a more cut n dry understanding of things don't u think? I love you in THE LORD

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

. we aren't chosen to believe but believe and become a chosen one in that aspect of election.. But the point I was making was that election does not mean salvation necessarily and chosen doesn't mean salvation but chosen to serve in a distinct way usually.. The pharoh of the exodus was chosen by GOD to show GODS power either in a good way or a bad way but the pharoh hardened his heart towards GOD so GOD in turn hardened pharoahs heart completely unto his destruction.. And what man are you talking about in John 6:44? In those verses LORD JESUS was making it clear HE and THE FATHER are ONE not that THE FATHER literally drags men to LORD JESUS..HE was simply stating that if aren't drawn to who THE FATHER is or aren't searching out THE GOD OF ISRAEL then you certainly can't know THE SON.. And you still didn't answer my question about the fact that OUR LORD JESUS was and is THE FIRST CHOSEN ELECT SERVANT OF GOD THE FATHER.. Simply put THE LORD JESUS didn't need salvation but is THE ELECT CHOSEN SERVANT OF GOD and all who believe in HIM become saved or "elect" and all who believe are predestined to be conformed to the likeness of OUR LORD JESUS..GOD does not choose for anyone to go to HELL brother and we all have a choice once we hear the gospel of salvation through OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.. Paul said that is the power power of the word of GOD... He doesn't make some able to hear and some not able to hear unless they harden their heart to the truth to the point HE turns HIS back to them because they didn't want the truth..we are responsible for our sins before a loving merciful GOD ..no need for repentance if we're not but we are .. GOD doesn't cause man to sin in unbelief ..May GOD BLESS you to study the scriptures without the presupposition of Calvinism or any other ism so you can truly know HIM cause the Calvinist doctrine denies the full glory HE deserves and certainly claims and will have male no mistake..GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo earlier in the chapter Paul said you gentiles who worship GOD.. Now this was before they heard the gospel or OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST..they were already appointed to eternal life because they worshipped GOD THE FATHER but when they heard the gospel of OUR LORD they rejoiced and believed LORD JESUS is THE CHRIST and glorified this teaching..appointed is more accurate in the Greek language concerning this verse than the word chosen..what bible are you finding to say chosen instead of appointed brother?

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo I'm sorry.. I didn't notice you had written NLT

[@mathdcarter]

It’s funny this is listed as a “short”. The video is nearly a half hour long! 😂

[@nonplayablecharacter4815]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@warrenrobert5009]

According. to. Gods. gracious. choice….why can’t the text say what it says?

[@jhq9064]

It explains Romans 9 and Universal Reconciliation (UR)

[@tzephon]

If you've never considered evangelizing before, now might be the time. It appears that freedom of speech is being restricted and freedom of religion will likely follow, this may be a good time to share the gospel with whoever you can get to listed.

[@gregjay9933]

An excellent study on Rom 11

[@seanvann1747]

Awesome as always Dr Flowers 🙏 1 question for you.... What exactly are the Gentiles in risk of being cut off from? If they do not keep believing? Romans 11:21 New King James Version For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And what do the Jews get grafted into if they do not continue in unbelief? Romans 11:23 New King James Version And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. God bless 🙌 And thanks!

[@davidtrue4255]

Verse 21 is specifically believing Gentiles, a.k.a. non Jews. When they first believed, they were grafted in, even though they were not originally part of the vine, i.e. Jews. Verse 21 gives warning to those that are grafted in that they could still fall away by their own actions. Verse 23 is talking about ethnic Jews that have fallen away, that if they come to belief, they can be grafted back in to being spiritual Israelites, i.e. the chosen people.

[@seanvann1747]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Thanks for the response 👍 But cut off of what? what are they being cut out of? What does this cutting off imply? What/who exactly the vine that we get get cut of from? Thanks 😊 Be blessed!

[@seanvann1747]

@@davidtrue4255 Thanks for the response 👍 What would you say that "a spiritual Isrealite" means?.... So If we as Gentiles get "cut off" from the vine we just go from being a spiritual Christian to an non spiritual Christian? What exactly would you say that we are "grafted into" when we believe? What/who exactly is "the vine" Thanks for your time 🙏

[@davidtrue4255]

@@seanvann1747 "Spiritual Israel" is a contrast to physical Israel, or those born by physical means into a physical people. However, as Romans 9:6 tells us, not all who are descended from Israel (the man, i.e. Jacob) are Israel. Jesus stated that one must be born again, or reborn through the Spirit. Thus, when we become born again, we become Spiritual Israel, regardless of our physical heritage. The grafting in and the vine are symbolic representations of us being unified with God, similar symbolically with us being in the body of Christ.

[@seanvann1747]

@@davidtrue4255 So then would you say that Christ is the vine? Like John 15 states? What happens to the branches that are cut out of the vine? Because they do not continue to abide/beleive? Thanks for your time 🙏 God bless 🙏

[@hanobeukes3918]

The whole new testament does.

[@forchristgloryministry2019]

It teach what the Bible says.....it teach what God has intended to put those verses exactly what He wants to convey a message to all of us.....i have listen to a debate .... Brother Flower seem running here and there and bringing in illustration that fits his thoughts ....so don't worry Romans 11 will be what it is and God will fulfill what God intended to fulfil....

[@abashedsanctimony154]

We have a passage for witnessing to people who desire debate. Matt 23:23 “Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faith; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others"

[@forchristgloryministry2019]

@@abashedsanctimony154 this passage has nothing to do with biblical debate...

[@abashedsanctimony154]

@@forchristgloryministry2019 Christ debated the pharisees Every time they met Him. Have you read the Bible?

[@forchristgloryministry2019]

@@abashedsanctimony154 the text... brother....so you are calling James white ,dr.flower and me Pharisees....then..what About these things then Among the many denominations and divisions of the Christian faith, debates arise. There are disagreements about church polity, six-day creationism, mode of baptism, and eschatology. There are differences of opinion about social drinking, the gifts of the Spirit, and what makes clothing “modest.” Some of these issues are more important than others, and it is good, to prevent unnecessary clashes and divisions, to distinguish between what is worth debating and what is not. The Bible is clear that some things are worth fighting for. Truth, by definition, is separate from falsehood. We are to take a stand against false teachers and “contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people” (Jude 1:3). Issues that introduce “another gospel”-a message of salvation other than what the Bible teaches-must be denounced (Galatians 1:7; 2 Corinthians 11:4). Revelations, writings, or opinions that are presented as infallible or on par with the Bible must be rejected as heresy (Revelation 22:18; Jeremiah 14:14). We are also to “destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:5). We do not compromise God’s Word or water-down the gospel. If it is a matter of salvation or holy living, we should take a strong stand. Other matters may be handled differently. First Timothy 1:4 instructs Christians not to “devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work-which is by faith.” So the Bible gives us some guidelines about what is worth debating and what is better left alone. Is the matter of Christ’s resurrection worthy of debate? Yes. The resurrection is foundational to the gospel. As long as the debate is civil and aimed at presenting the truth of God’s Word, the resurrection can and should be defended. How about the issue of eternal security? Yes, it is worth debating, to a point. One’s view of eternal security is important and is related to one’s views of salvation and the grace of God. At the same time, if the debate veers into acrimony or threatens to separate brothers in Christ, then it is probably better to table the debate in the name of love. Is it worth debating the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin? Probably not. Keep in mind there is a vast difference between a friendly debate and a bitter war of words. Verbal assault, slander, accusation, and perverse speech have no place in the body of Christ (Colossians 3:8; 1 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 4:31). What must unbelievers think when they see Christians slinging verbal mud at each other over minor doctrinal differences? Ephesians 4:29 says, “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” So in our consideration of this topic, we must rule out the name-calling and slander that sadly typifies some Christian debate. Second Timothy 2:15-16 has this instruction: “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness.” We are expected to study God’s Word for ourselves, not just talk about it or take the opinion of someone else about what it says. Simply because a speaker is famous or popular does not mean he is accurate. God has given His Word to us, and He expects us to use it. An example of this kind of spiritual diligence is found in Acts 17:10-12. The Bereans heard the gospel preached by Paul and Silas, and they “examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” They did not merely take Paul’s word for it but compared everything to the Word of God. Only when they found his gospel was supported by Scripture were they willing to be taught by him. When we believe someone is in doctrinal error, we can humbly and respectfully point it out. But we have to remember that others with equal reverence for God’s Word may read it differently. Such discussion is healthy if approached with the right attitude and a teachable spirit. We learn much from the input of others and may even change our viewpoint when presented with a new perspective. Some topics have challenged sincere believers since the early church. Respectful debate on important issues is beneficial to everyone involved, if it is done in the spirit of Christ without ego or personal agenda. Colossians 4:6 gives clear instruction about how we should conduct ourselves in debates: “Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.” Jesus wants His children to “be one.” His impassioned prayer to the Father just before His crucifixion reveals His deep desire for us: “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me” (John 17:20-21). We can “agree to disagree” on issues that do not involve salvation or godly living. Our ultimate goal should not be to prove our point but to model the kind of love and acceptance that Jesus showed His disciples (John 13:34-35). No human being has all the answers on every subject. Our goal should be to immerse ourselves in God’s Word so that we recognize error when we hear it. But we must also purpose to approach every non-essential issue with a teachable spirit so that we can best fulfill God’s desire for unity in His church (1 John 4:12). In the words of 17th-century theologian Rupertus Meldenius, “In the essentials, unity; in the non-essentials, diversity; in all things, charity.”

[@forchristgloryministry2019]

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[@ianmcdonald8648]

Paul tells us what kind of works are invalid to gain righteousness. Romans 3:20 - "Because by works of Law not one of all flesh will be justified before Him, for through Law is full knowledge of sin." The works that Paul is identifying as being unable to gain righteousness of God is WORKS OF LAW "Then where is the boasting? It was excluded. Through what law? Of works? No, but through a LAW of faith." Ro. 3:27 There is a Law of faith which enables us to obtain the righteousness of God in Christ. Again Paul brings up the works of Law in Romans 9:32 "Why? Because it was not of faith, but as of WORKS OF LAW. For they stumbled at the Stone-of-stumbling, " IN Galatians Paul says - "knowing that a man is not justified by WORKS OF LAW," - " justified by faith in Christ and not by WORKS OF LAW, ... - ... because all flesh will not be justified by WORKS OF LAW) Ga. 2:16 "Did you receive the Spirit by WORKS OF LAW or by hearing of faith? Ga 3:2 "by WORKS OF LAW or by hearing of faith?" Ga 3:5 "For as many as are out of works of Law, these are under a curse." Ga 3:10 Eight times Paul plainly states that the works of the Law will not gain anything from God. This then must be the background for his statement in Ephesians 2:5-9 where he only speaks of 'works'. There are works of God, works of faith, works of Law, works of the flesh. He discounts works of Law, but he does not discount works of God nor works of faith. James says that faith without works is dead - lifeless, useless- he says it three times in Ja 2:20-26. There is no contradiction between Paul and James. Believing is a work that we must do - in order to be saved. God requires believing (faith in action) on our part to gain salvation, and a continuance in it to maintain salvation - Hebrews 3:6, 12, 13 and 4 and many other places.. Repentance is a work that we must do - God requires us to repent to obtain salvation - Luke 13:3, 5; Acts 11:18. Obedience is a work that we must do. God requires obedience from us for our gaining of righteousness, salvation - Romans 6:16, 17; Hebrews 3:18: 2 Thess 1:8; 1 Peter 4:17. And all these things are enabled by the grace of God, because God requires them, and whatever God requires He enables us to do so by His grace, and the Spirit of grace.

[@ETube1971]

In verse 14 Paul is referring to his fellow Israelites of his day who had been hardened and who had stumbled, but not beyond recovery, and he indicated that he wanted to try to lead some of them to salvation. The teachings of Calvinism contradict this because their belief is that those who were hardened and who had stumbled were reprobates and were lost forever. Yet, Paul clearly did not believe that and believed that they could be saved. The unbelieving Israelites of his day were not hardened permanently and did not stumble beyond recovery. Paul made that very clear, yet Calvinists completely miss this.

[@user-bi1qi6ef4c]

So many confuse 1) obedience to God as an outward spirit filled response of faith and belief with 2) denominational man made prerequisites known back then as Halacha! This is what Paul has in mind when he says “works of the law.” Paul was not antinomian. Paul like Messiah knew that good works and Torah was good. They did however take issue with the Pharisees acting like immigration officers- forcing people to convert (or assimilate) before including someone in the club. You could literally double down on Torah obedience and you’d be no more saved than another person. Why? Caudr God never set up salvation on the bases of “works.” One was always saved- before and after the cross- by Grace through faith! Gods faithfulness and Gods graciousness! Every sect had their on way to walk- ie Halacha! Even Yeshua had a Halacha and it was lite and easy but learning it only followed only after a commitment and Th Way was not used as a rite of passage or frat house hazing.

[@SpotterVideo]

Romans Chapter 11: In its New Covenant context... There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the New Covenant Church in this passage. Plan A is found in verses 23 and 24. In Romans 1:16 Paul said the Gospel was taken "first" to the Jews. This time period can be found in Matt. 10:5-7, and Acts 10:36-38, and Gal. 1:14-18. Many try to claim God never gave the Jews a chance to accept Christ, so there must be some Plan B of salvation before or during the Second Coming of Christ. Romans 1:16 proves they are wrong, since Paul said the Gospel went "first" to the Jews. Many ignore the fact that Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", and as "men of Israel", and as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. The Gentiles were not grafted in until several years later. This passage proves Paul was right about the Gospel being taken "first" to the Jews. Were all of the Israelites "partially" hardened in Romans 11, or were part hardened and another part were not hardened? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5. Paul reveals two different groups of Israelites in Romans 9:6-8. There is an Israel of the promise, and an Israel of the flesh. This is part of the context of Romans 11. Paul speaks about the "remnant" of Israel in Romans 9:27. This is also part of the context of Romans 11. Paul starts Romans 11 with two different groups of Israelites. In verse one Paul reveals he is still an Israelite, even after his conversion. Then Paul refers to two different groups of Israelites during the time of Elijah. There were the Baal worshippers, and there was the faithful "remnant". In verse five Paul says there is also a faithful "remnant" of Israelites during his time. This must be the Israelites who have accepted Christ, as on the Day of Pentecost. Paul uses the two olive trees as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites, and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree. The unbelieving Israelites have been broken off but can be grafted back in through faith in Christ in verses 23-24. Verse 26 is the problem for many modern Christians. What does the verse actually say, and how is it changed by many in the modern Church. I have heard two of our nations famous preachers say the following. "And then all Israel will be saved..." I have heard another say the following. "And all Israel will be saved..." What does God's Word, recorded by the Apostle Paul actually say? Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: The English word "so" is translated from the Greek word "houto", which is an adverb of manner, instead of an adverb of timing. Some have changed the word from "so" to "then", in order to change the meaning of the verse. How will all of the "remnant" of Israel from Romans 9:27 be saved? The answer is found in the verses that precede verse 26 and are found below. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? Paul quoted from the OT in referring to the Deliverer coming out of Sion to pay for sin. Did this happen at Calvary, or will Jesus die again for His people in the future? Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Verse 28 can only be understood by looking at how Paul started the passage. He started with two different groups of Israelites and he ends the passage in the same way. There are two different groups of "they" in verse 28. One group of "they" reject Christ and are the enemies of God, and another group of "they" are the election which accept Christ through hearing the Gospel and faith. Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Based on Luke 21:24b-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ. This agrees with what Paul said in Romans 1:16 about the Gospel going “first” to the Jews.

[@ETube1971]

Paul indicates in verse 20 that being grafted in is because of faith and being cut off is because of unbelief. And he is clearly talking about salvation here. So, what he's saying in verse 22 is that Gentile believers need to continue to have faith or else they will be cut off for unbelief like the Israelite unbelievers were cut off because of their unbelief. And this applies to each Gentile believer. This has nothing to do with corporate election or anything like that as Calvinists believe. They have to believe that because if it's talking about individual salvation (which it is) then it clearly contradicts their belief in the perseverance of the saints. I know you touched on this already, but I just want to reiterate that the ones Paul is talking about in verse 23 are his fellow Israelites who had been hardened and had stumbled, but not beyond recovery. He is saying that they could be grafted in again by faith! This contradicts Calvinism because that belief system says that they were hardened and had fallen and were lost permanently because of being reprobates. No, they were not. Paul made it clear in verse 14 that he hoped to lead some of them to salvation.

[@DeplorableNeanderthal]

I once struggled with the verses before 7..But, weren't God's faithful being hunted and killed? If so, could this verse mean that "I have kept 7,000 safe/alive?". But wait, you added the word "safe!" You cant do that, but I can add the phrase "effectually caused them to stay," faithful, "at the detriment of all the others that I effectually caused to not be," faithful...God is indeed sovereign over life and death. If He allowed some faithful to be killed, as Elijah laments, that is His prerogative. And when He chose 7,000 to protect (keep), that is his sovereign prerogative. This really shouldn't be used as a proof text for TULIP Calvinism.

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

Romans eleven is all about the gospel Being offered to the gentiles and as a result making the Jews jealous and bringing them to the gospel it has nothing to do with anything but that

[@johncerminaro4549]

ROMANS 11:25-28 seems unambiquous ~

[@HonorGod-MakeDisciples.]

Simple Bible principle...Believed and you will received... And not the other way around.

[@forchristgloryministry2019]

Dr.flower please call James white to debate with you again on the book of Romans....i want to listen again... let's hope see together what the Bible says...

[@abashedsanctimony154]

Quite sure James White denies that Baptism saves. Baptism done in Faith, in Christ Name, does save. Eph 4:5. But, semantics is subjective, Hermeneutics is objective.

[@trebmaster]

I'm not even a Calvinist and I don't buy this idea that "faith is diametrically opposed to works". The BASIS of faith and the BASIS of works are diametrically opposed ideas within soteriology, but the faith and works themselves are married and faith doesn't exist without the pursuit of the works of faith - which Paul calls "obedience of faith" in the beginning and ending of Romans. John 6:29 shows that faith/belief is work. I don't understand the idea that in order to refute Calvinism, you need to make belief not a work.

[@barbaud5920]

FAITH CAN NOT BE WORKS ROMANS 4:4-5 CALVINISM TEACHES TO BELIEVE OR HAVE FAITH U ARE SAVING YOUSELF. U R HELPING GOD TO SAVE U. U HAVE A RIGHT TO BOAST. GOD DOES ALL THE SAVING (ELECT) SO IF U HAVE TO HELP GOD U R ROBBING GOD OF HIS GLORY. MAN HAS NO FREE WILL. ALSO EPH 2:8-10 SHOWS FAITH N BELIEVING IS NOT WORKS TO BOAST ABOUT

[@CJ-lr4uq]

@@barbaud5920 "MAN HAS NO FREEWILL". Were you pre-determined to say that? Are you just a puppet on the string who can't control what comes out of their mouth? Why should anyone listen to you, then? lol and how COULD they listen to you if they too are just puppets who can't control their thoughts and actions? Determinism is logically bankrupt. It just isn't true.

[@apilkey]

Faith is not a "meritorious" work.

[@madcow9421]

Samuel Carter consider that Jesus is seated upon the throne. Dare the accuse him of working still? I say he rests... and rightly so!!

[@dimitrikrawtschenko7093]

@@barbaud5920 I am not helping god by responding to his call. He did everything and offered me salvation. I just need to accept or decline, which he allows me to do because he does not go against his own principle. In no way would anyone who takes the hand of a person while drowning then go and claim to have saved himself by that action. We could only boast by keeping the law because that indeed would be our own accomplishment (theoretically since it’s impossible anyway). Oh and all caps won’t make your argument more acceptable. Just write normally😊

[@apilkey]

@18:15 Bingo these are the same people in verse 7 that according to Calvinists are the reprobate. ROMANS 11:7-10 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and THE REST WERE BLINDED. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, EYES THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE, and EARS THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HEAR;) unto this day. 9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 LET THEIR EYES BE DARKENED, THAT THEY MAY NOT SEE, and bow down their back alway. QUESTION: Is Romans 11:7-10 speaking of people damned to hell before the foundation of the world? QUESTION: Do those people mentioned in Romans 11:7-10 have any chance of salvation or is this a permanent, irreversible condition? ROMANS 11:11 11 I say then, Have THEY stumbled that they should fall? 👉GOD FORBID:👈 but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. *This verse is saying that though they stumbled God’s Grace is STILL there for them.* Their fall was actually part of God’s redemptive PLAN to bring about salvation for the gentiles. QUESTION: Have they stumbled that they should fall? REFORMERS: Yes they have. PAUL: GOD FORBID! *************************************** ROMANS 11:12 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; HOW MUCH MORE THEIR FULNESS? *He’s saying that if God used them for the saving of the Gentiles, how much more will He use their fullness WHEN THEY’RE RESTORED.* *************************************** ROMANS 11:14 14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and 👉MIGHT SAVE👈 SOME OF THEM. *Again Paul is saying there’s STILL HOPE of them being received back from the dead.* They’re NOT eternally cut off! And yet according to reformers who try and use Romans 11:8 as some kind of “proof text” they believe that those in verse 8 are predestined to hell before the foundation of the world. The Apostle Paul disagrees with the reformer’s twisting of Romans 8. If they would just read a few verses later we see Paul is STILL giving them hope. So here we have reformers against Paul. Let’s expose to the light what reformers believe vs what the Apostle PAUL believes: According to REFORMERS: Those in Romans 11:8 are damned before the foundation of the world. According to PAUL: These SAME PEOPLE could still be saved in verse 14. So which one is it? Reformers or Paul? I think I’ll stick to the inspired word of God which flies in the face of what reformers believe Romans 11:8 teaches. REFORMERS: Predestined to hell PAUL: MIGHT SAVE SOME OF THEM *************************************** ROMANS 11:23 23 AND THEY ALSO, IF THEY ABIDE NOT STILL IN UNBELIEF, SHALL BE GRAFTED IN: FOR GOD 👉IS ABLE👈 TO GRAFT THEM IN AGAIN. *God is still saying they are not eternally separated but STILL HAVE A CHANCE to humble themselves, repent and God will graft them back in.* Again in verse 23 Paul is against the reformed interpretation of Romans 11:8. The same people who in the reformed view are predestined to hell in verse 8 can STILL BE GRAFTED IN “IF THEY ABIDE NOT IN THEIR UNBELIEF.” REFORMERS: Predestined to hell PAUL: IF THEY ABIDE NOT STILL IN UNBELIEF, SHALL BE GRAFTED IN. *************************************** Again let’s continue to disprove their false view of Romans 11:8. According to reformers this blinding is permanent before the foundation of the world. But according to the Apostle Paul it’s only in PART and God only TEMPORARILY BLINDED them UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles came in: ROMANS 11:25 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, 👉UNTIL👈 the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. REFORMERS: Permanent blinding PAUL: UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. *************************************** And finally we see again the word of God is against the reformed interpretation of Romans 11:8 at the end of chapter 11. The same group of people who that according to reformers are predestined to hell in Romans 11:8 we are told by the Apostle Paul that they MAY ALSO OBTAIN MERCY: ROMANS 11:30-32 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy THEY ALSO 👉MAY OBTAIN MERCY.👈 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, THAT HE MIGHT HAVE MERCY UPON 👉ALL.👈 REFORMERS: No mercy. Apostle Paul: MERCY. I strongly suggest reformers never use Romans 11:8 as some sort of “proof text” for double predestination because they are clearly refuted by the Apostle Paul in the rest of the chapter. Again this really needs to be exposed that reformers believe those in Romans 11:8 are predestined to hell whereas the Apostle Paul does not. The people that reformers are against and give no hope to in Romans 11:8 are STILL GIVEN HOPE BY PAUL in verses 11,14,24,25,30,31,32. The Apostle Paul strongly disagrees with the reformed OPINION of Romans 11:8.

[@biblicaltheologyexegesisan9024]

I can tell you that Romans 11 does not teach OSAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! v.22

[@bobbyadkins6983]

I've never heard of anything more cruel and blasphemous than true Calvinism as Piper teaches. No one who believes what he believes and teaches knows God.

[@canibezeroun1988]

If the Church would stop being so conceited and stop using verses that apply to Israel and the Jews to ourselves we would have an easier time in life.

[@josephmyers9843]

Saint Paul not Paul!