Wanda's Drastic Change In Doctor Strange 2 Explained

[@Looper]

What were your thoughts on how Wanda was portrayed and her motivations?

[@georgeh8937]

i feel foolish because i kept thinking there would be some villain like Cthulhu or Chthon or some other evil god. i should have realized the ending of WandaVision told us Wanda would turn to the dark side and fulfill the Scarlet Witch prophecy of becoming a universe destroyer.

[@rakadean39]

"beast"

[@Vizmaximoff]

She ATE!

[@scifugitive2]

I thought it sucked.

[@alicjacaban2226]

Why? She Just want family. But he make wery bad decisions from her sadness and lonelines . Great power mean great danger. For others and for yourself

[@basicsimp8798]

I loved Wanda as a villain but I just wished they showed more about how the Darkhold corrupted her since Strange did say that the book corrupts people.

[@lukesunches5778]

Same

[@alicjacaban2226]

Evil strange says its dangerous to user. Probably book is slowly changing owner. Making him, her mentally unstable( Wanda get obsession and Evil Strange become fullblown psycho. Hm did this mean than he is more dangerous than Scarlett witch ? Probably)

[@jdavis11576]

I feel the Same, 15mins in the movie she was evil af & thts not how she left off...

[@davidwolfe81]

@@alicjacaban2226 Yes! HE IS especially with his new third eye, and his knowledge from the darkhold book etc. I can't wait to see him, and Clea together doing wonderful wild spectacular magic in the next Strange movie together, and they do become husband, and wife in the near future!!!!!!

[@diegom6053]

But WHY? We got confirmation that Wanda is studying the darkhold at the end of Wandavision and we all know what that book does to people, showing what we already know is beyond pointless. You're asking for filler.

[@tejasmurali1656]

That last line you said was right. I hope the MCU stops using her character to only give her grief after grief and then make her go crazy. It was fun while it lasted, but I think it's high time to give Wanda a long and hard journey down redemption road

[@magnamic5614]

This has been a thing for YEARS for Wanda fans who read the comics. It FINALLY happened recently with the Trial of Magneto run.

[@CurtieMac]

I don't want to argue.. but why can't we just have villains... Why does everyone need a redemption arc. The fact is.. she only JUST became a villain. We should let it last for a bit

[@haileeifk3261]

@@CurtieMac but every movie they give her hell or she loses someone she doesn’t deserve it anymore

[@MashZ]

True but the thing is she is too OP over everyone else rn. so it would be difficult to write a fulfilling story where she's a hero and in full control over her own emotion/power. That would require a new multiverse scaled Thanos level villain to emerge first.

[@serenitysubs933]

She killed proffesor X There is no redemption for her 😭😩

[@cmike123]

The best part about this version of Wanda was that I have been calling her Scarlet Witch the whole time. This movie makes a distinction between Wanda Maximof and her Hex Bolts and a full-blown Scarlet Witch with reality-altering power. That+ the Darkhold made her a match for Dark Phoenix. It was great!

[@masterbayuadam9055]

Still no match against dark pheonix

[@tomasalvarezgarcia-blanco1412]

@@masterbayuadam9055 The Scarlet Witch destroys Dark Phoenix

[@Vincesjones]

Stay denial.

[@aprilwarren7404]

Wanda could easily beat the dark Phoenix well she could before she destroyed the dark holes ‘ cause now the part of her power is destroyed because she destroy the dark cold but before she destroyed the dark cold she could’ve easily be dark Phoenix but I mean she beat I forgot his name but the dude in the yellow floaty chair the best mind person on earth so I mean

[@tomasalvarezgarcia-blanco1412]

@@aprilwarren7404 Professor X

[@justsomeone9627]

I loved the moment where wanda calls Strange a Hypocrite

[@baconmom5085]

That was funny

[@MrJhonromero]

My favorite line in the entire movie

[@rakadean39]

It showed how much thin the line between good and evil

[@casemiro3663]

@@rakadean39 how thin*

[@rakadean39]

@@casemiro3663 well im not English so my bad

[@DiaryofaBasicBW]

I don't get what people don't understand about this. She was corrupted by the Darkhold. She basically turned into a more insidious more powerful Agatha Harkness. It's not rocket science and it doesn't need to be more complicated than that. The dark magic even corrupted Strange. The 616 version of the sorcerer might still be able to resist total corruption but we have yet to see in another installment.

[@ZevockVile]

Agreed Wanda wasn’t the villain she was a grieving mother who was corrupted by the most dangerous thing in the universe the darkhold, I hate that book.

[@haparcheledupwar]

well they want attention, views and likes and subscribers,, in short money money money like this channel..

[@Gambit2051]

Because it destroys all character growth shown in WandaVision, and makes WandaVision nothing more than Trauma that is used to make her a Villain...

[@victory7763]

@@Gambit2051 ... not really

[@jf9144]

Except that there are now reports of Sam Raimi never fully watched WandaVision so no. She herself did change but there are easy fixes that could have lined more correctly. Example rather than Wanda being the villian it should have been Cython who in the comics took control of her body. It would have been more interesting if Cython used the power of the Scarlet Witch and attack all Wanda's of the multi-verse turn all of them into the scarlet witch or absorbing all of them. It would have also been more interesting if she still did what she did but also sacrificed herself to make the children from the other world real while destroying the darkhold and Cython. FYI Elizabeth Olsen is sign on for her own solo movie

[@derrickwilliams1210]

I'm gonna treat this movie in the same vein as Captain America: Civil War, this was just as much about Wanda as it was about Dr Strange, I enjoyed it

[@vishalankumaran8347]

Yes. This was my exact thought

[@shepherdstar14]

It was beautifully written. Doctor strange made the choice Wanda could not.

[@cosmicXtropics]

​@@shepherdstar14 lmao imagine calling anything marvel beautifully written. Watch what if then you can say that. They did a better Dr. Strange story in 30 mins than an almost 2 hour film! This movie sucked and leaves so many questions unanswered.

[@DeeDee-yr7yu]

@@cosmicXtropics like what? I was left pretty satisfied with my questions after leaving the theaters when I watched it, you sure you didn't watch it with your eyes closed?

[@cosmicXtropics]

@@DeeDee-yr7yu lmao ok where's Wanda? Why does strange have a third eye? Where's iron man/why are there Ultron bots? What happened to America's parents? What happened to America is she in the regular world now? And most importantly where's vision during all of this? It's a shitty movie, you can enjoy it all you want but it was so half assed.

[@sinleong1979]

I think Wanda is not done yet. In Wandavision, she say she admitted her mistakes but continues to pursue her family. I think she will us her powers to create a universe. And that maybe Clea recruit Strange at the end.

[@TheDestinyCosplayers]

I think she will take up agathas offer of help and agatha: house of harkness will probably be agatha training wanda properly in witchcraft.

[@michaelram4276]

@@TheDestinyCosplayers truth

[@allanfrd]

If something was done right in this film it's the Scarlett Witch, like to see Marvel and how is paying off all the building of this particular character.

[@brianlau7827]

The Darkhold was introduced in Season 4 of Agents of SHIELD, and right away I knew it corrupted the people who read it. Come WandaVison, I knew what was gonna happen to Wanda when she started reading it in the mid-credits scene.

[@Am-th8do]

exactly! it friggin corrupted a robot with no humane emotions whatsoever (Aida)

[@lukesunches5778]

I was disappointed that director Sam Raimi & writer Michael Waldron didn’t watch WandaVision. They just watched a few keymoments of the show. I wish they watched all the episodes of WandaVision so that they can include scenes Wanda becomes a villain between WandaVision & MoM. I understand the Darkhold changed her, but they should have explained about that more.

[@Flash-pp3cr]

Those dudes better had watched Wandavision at some point or made a plan to make up for it smoothly and triumphantly. C'mon! You can't not skip a movie and expect followers of the story to be happy with that at all.

[@derrickfarbes1805]

You assume they didn't watch it but it's not your show or movie is it

[@TeddieSage1987]

@@derrickfarbes1805 That's not assumptions at all. It was confirmed through interviews.

[@derrickfarbes1805]

@@TeddieSage1987 rrrriiiiggghhhtttt

[@joaoluizlagoas8505]

I would like to believe that the transition (WV -》MoM) will be shown in House of Harkness, where Agatha "teaches" Wanda how to use the Darkhold and then this lazy corruption concept would be made more organic.

[@TheDanielk4]

I think this is a understandable Progression in the Context the movie provides us. Also, with everything her character went through, who wouldn't have snapped at some point. I'm just very happy the took this chance & created one of the best MCU Villains imo. And how they resolved the conflict at the end was incredible. Hope to see Wanda return sooner or later

[@kavinab6629]

Wanda could make the multiverse implode and I’d still love her 😂

[@marthanda-977]

simp

[@cintsscha5899]

Wanda turning full evil just came out of nowhere to me (yes, I understand she was corrupted, but honestly, it seemed like lazy writing to me). She redeemed herself at the end of Wandavision, it seemed like she learned nothing!

[@anakinskywalker7323]

Wtf you just said it? she was corrupted

[@cintsscha5899]

@@anakinskywalker7323 lol why do you complain Anakin, you had a whole movie to explain why you turned into the dark side! Not just a dialog saying you were corrupted!

[@Kaysieders]

@@cintsscha5899 the movie gradually explains what the dark hold does to a person, and it shows the effects on strange

[@cintsscha5899]

@@Kaysieders the way to do it is gradually show how a character becomes evil (because in cinema, you have to show, not tell), not to gradually "explain". What is even more, in the Wandavision finale, Wanda learns her lesson (to not use her powers to force a reality she desires) and it is implied she will be in the "good side". But I have heard in the internet that Sam Raimi didnt even see Wandavision (?) I dont know if that is true or not, but if that is the case, it will sure explain a lot!

[@daniellew2271]

She dreamed about the sons every single night. And with darkhold she is capable of jump to other realities to check and confirm. She started practicing it since end of wandavision. And every other realities, there are sons except earth 616. These turned her, slowly, one dream at a time. You need to read between the lines. There is no out of nowhere as what you mentioned.

[@domimburgia935]

Man that part where Wanda reunites with her kids and they were so scared of her they’re throwing their toys at her she screams out STOP IT getting emotional, that made me cry

[@CometStorm]

I just had a thought: If when we dream we see what our multiverse self is seeing and dream walking is actually controlling them, then would Lucid dreaming be dream walking and sleep paralysis be us failing to control them, thus the reason it feels we are trapped and can't make any sound?

[@MeatbagTTV]

Sorry to break it to ya dog but real life isn’t produced by Kevin feige

[@CometStorm]

@@MeatbagTTV Damn... If only it were.

[@daniellew2271]

No. Multiverse is not real no matter what drugs Marvel makes you swallow. You have but only one reality. Full stop

[@lanithelightning]

What’s crazy is a month before this movie came out, I was talking to my friends about the multiverse and how it feels like some dreams I’m watching a version of me that looks like me but it’s not me. Whether it’s a portal to another an alternate universe or just a dream I never will fully know.

[@ld_rey]

@@CometStorm your theory might be correct in some way it will explain the fact some people can see the future to dreams. It’s highly possible that we live somewhere that’s no where we might be special in this world but not In the whole universe it’s how complicated this world is

[@BrockSamsonite]

I did find it weird that in all of this Wanda never went looking for white vision.

[@khellyshan]

my take is she could’ve just dreamwalked into various universes and be with the children when she’s awake! then go back to her own body when she’s about to go to sleep.

[@BrockSamsonite]

@@khellyshan I think it was cython Wong said his name once on top of mount wondergore, which is like saying Beetlejuice three times in a row. 😂

[@DeeDee-yr7yu]

Well the last time she really interacted with Wision, he literally tried to crush her skull.

[@Gambit2051]

Be sure to watch WandaVision, but ignore any "lessons" that Wanda might have learned about grief while she was grieving for Vision...like the ones shoved in our faces during the Penultimate Episode....sigh...I would love to understand the actual reason for why Wanda was taken in the exact Opposite Direction that was indicated at the end of WandaVision... Also...her boys were created by Magic while she was inside a Magic Bubble of her own creation...how are there stable versions of them exactly? Who was their Father?

[@tempest2789]

1) It wasn't the opposite direction though. WandaVision ended with her actively looking for Billy and Tommy in the multiverse. Meaning, she didn't learn anything. She didn't move on. The show ended hinting her decent into darkness 2) The concept of the multiverse implies that all possibilities are real, which is how the multiverse is infinite as something as small as you making a choixe between cereal and toast for breakfast, creates two different universes. By this logic, Billy and Tommy were magical creations on Earth 616, but were real on other universes. The father could be Vision or some random man. They could be adopted. They could be magical creations, but actually stable and well made. Any possibility is valid.

[@astralaurora4165]

The end credits scene shows Wanda reading the darkhold book that corrupts you, it’s just in the movie it wasn’t portrayed very good imo.

[@Flash-pp3cr]

@@tempest2789 But as for your response to #1, the post credit scene is some alternate boys yelling "help! Mom!". This version in M.O.M. has people upset because she didn't go and help any version of her kids, she did quite the opposite, she just went and possessed herself to have a good time with her kids lol.

[@Gambit2051]

​@@astralaurora4165 exactly! and I am well aware of the corrupting influence of the Darkhold...it is just such a 90 degree turn for where the Character was left at the end of WandaVision... Honestly, what this movie needed was someone exactly like Nightmare to be included. Basically, use the recreation of the Multiverse as an excuse to say Nightmare got a "Power Boost" or was "Awakened" when Kang died and Trillions of "new" Dreams and Nightmares were created for them to "feast" on. But when an instant lasts an eternity, you get bored really quickly, and Nightmare became obsessed with Wanda's Obsession of getting her kids back...so he threw the idea into her head that they still existed in the Multiverse and that it was the only way to see them again...Nightmare could have been the whisper in Wanda's ear that she was not expecting while she fought the corrupting influence of The Darkhold (the influence she was warned about and would have taken far more precautions than it appears she did)... The greatest thing about Nightmare is that they are not a being that can simply be defeated...the only real way to "beat" them is by actually facing your fears so that they have Less Power over you. It would have allowed Wanda to go nuts like she did, introduce a villain much like Mephisto without being them (so like a sub boss lol), NOT established the idea that Dreams are memories from the Multiverse (........I understand that Time is a weird thing in the MCU...BUT...all of the characters were still Dreaming when there was only 1 sacred timeline...so....yeah), allowed Wanda to screw over Chiton and Nightmare at the end, AND allowed Wanda a Villain to focus on for her true redemption arc....

[@tempest2789]

@@Flash-pp3cr That really depends on how you interpret it though. Maybe the Darkhold showed her the boys screaming for help as a way to make her actively look for them, leading the way towards her obssession and eventual descent into darkness. Both interpretations are valid since we won't get any confirmation lol Honestly, this is just a product of Raimi's writers not taking the time doing a quick fact check with WandaVision's writers. Wanda suffered from having two writing teams not properly working together to make her cohesive as a character.

[@joshbrosh6626]

I can explain it in 5 seconds Corupted by darkhold and outfit changes to dark crimson/red outfit

[@olracotneimras1232]

Wow! Thanks 🤣

[@marthanda-977]

Explain in 1 minute please lmao

[@shivanipawar5054]

I think people in there love for wanda vision actually forgot that wanda has always been selfish she started as a villain after all. Her arc in wanda vision was making peace with vision s death and understanding her power so she turned to the only source she had . The thing is I don't think she even wanted to be a hero she just joined avengers because that's what was left for her. she can be good of course but through out her mcu journey we can see she has always been a bit resistant ,emotional and impulsive about things but there was always someone to look out and guide her about things like her brother, vision , the avengers but her greatest desire tho was always a stable love filled life which she was gona have with vision until she had to kill him. she finally had a taste of that in wanda vision but realized its fake and harming others she stopped . After that she is alone and darkhold was the only source to know about things when she saw her fake reality is a real reality somewhere she wanted that and lost herself completely in her desire this time she didn't have anyone to guide her in her head she is right and only doing all this because of her kids no one was gona stop her except her kids as strange realized and told america to let wanda see it for herself she finally saw who she has become from her kids eyes . I think the theme is she is her own worst enemy which is what marvel trying to show . And in future wanda would have to except both her good and evil side and find a balance in between .

[@dacutsy]

I think she joined the Avengers because it was the option open to her during a chaotic moment. She stayed because it gave her family and purpose. Her only family was gone after Age of Ultron. I think there was a bond with Clint, Nat, Steve (Rogers), and Sam (the latter three we saw at the beginning of Civil War) and of course, Vision. But then she was on the run, and then dusted… besides the funeral for Tony, I don’t know if anyone has checked in on her.

[@shivanipawar5054]

@@dacutsy i said the same thing just didn't elaborate on the avengers part.

[@J1283-s1k]

Wanda is a phenomenal character who has seen her share of days both on the heroic side of the spectrum as well as the villainous but it's definitely getting very odd how so many people rush to whitewash her actions. She was the one who chose to resume Ultron's murder mission in Africa by haunting Bruce and the Hulk into going on a rampage, she was the one who chose to ignore everyone from Hayward to Monica to Vision to Agatha to the very people of Westview who were all telling her time and time again that she had them enslaved. It was how mentally unstable she was but unfortunately, as result, she, in her panic, even attempted to gaslight the poor citizens of Westview when they begged her to free their children from the room they had been locked in for a month while their parents desperately attempted to save their own minds from days spent physically being forced to live out a bizarre TV sitcom and nights suffering Wanda's nightmares, strangling them in response to their tormented pleas. While Wanda is a perfect example of the inner devastation and turmoil grief and suffering and loss can cause and outwardly express, and she deserves so much sympathy for her loss and her journey, it's very odd how a lot of fans are clambering, still, to defend her and argue against any accountability or responsibility for Westview simply because of her grief. Grief isn't an excuse, a get out of jail free card or a blank check to commit more grief onto others and that's the key part people are missing. I don't even blame Wanda for the Multiverse of Madness as the Darkhold had corrupted her (we saw the same it could do to Strange) but people ignoring her conscious decisions in Wandavision, regardless of grief, are very odd, to me.

[@morgothbauglir5186]

Ooo interesting take, I like it

[@ReigningSupreme]

Love this, it's a far better explanation than "she was corrupted and lost all her development in WandaVision."

[@eclipsafung1880]

The scarlet witch isn't really a bigger threat than the doctor Strange in a Multiversal spectrum. But the scarlet witch is definitely more powerful.

[@ajasmr6907]

In terms of determining how a threat strange is based on numbers , he win. But this wanda is poweful based on what she could do. The only weakness is that only this wanda was active character compared to the multiverse self which she basically live a normal life even with her magic.

[@Gambit2051]

Olsen was INCREDIBLE in this movie. The Acting is what saved this movie...because the story makes no sense based on what has come before...Wanda's Children only existed in a Reality Bubble, but what this movie is saying is that Wanda actually COPIED them from the Multiverse and used her magic to create them in THIS Reality...so who was the Father? It sure doesn't appear to be Vision on Earth 838 where the Illuminati were...I mean....HOW does THAT Wanda even HAVE Children??????? Wouldn't it be easier to use Magic on 616 to recreate them? Even with Dark Magic??? There are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many Holes that this movie Alone creates....and that is of HUGE Worry for the MCU going forward. It appears we may need to be ready for sudden character shifts that make no sense (like how Wong, the Sorcerer Supreme, constantly talks about secrets that come with the mantle, that were never reveled to Strange I guess, but then he constantly defers to Strange in just about every situation, and do they remember Strange warping reality for Spider-Man or not???? That was really unclear.............bc if Wong remembers, it makes little sense that he would trust Strange as much as he does in this movie....)

[@허허허-h8t]

I thought it would’ve made more sense for wanda to be driven by vision, since vision’s death js the catalyst to westview…and the fact that vision might have been the only person to have understood and accept wanda. But no…she goes on a multiversal rampage because of children she created with magic and stayed for what, like 3days? The action scenes and stuff was cool, but eh I’m not entirely happy abt how wanda was portrayed

[@luckyyyy5371]

sme cause Vision wasnt rlly talked about once the whole movie

[@BebeRexhaWorldwide]

She had closure with vision tho? On the end of wandavision with that last talk she had with him. She never really had any closure with her kids nor told them that they would disappear. If anything it makes more sense for her motivation and the catalyst for the darkhold to tempt her to be her kids more than her husband

[@ZayToDiffrent]

@@BebeRexhaWorldwide She has had enough vision why even try? It makes more sense for her to try getting her kids instead.

[@ZayToDiffrent]

@@BebeRexhaWorldwide We definitely agree on that

[@claudebaron9525]

At least now she looks like the Scarlet Witch of the comics 😍😍😍👍👍👍

[@unlikelyhydra92]

I'm just thinking... She learned this lesson in Wanda Vision. But I guess you can't underestimate the power of PTSD and grieving mother can have.

[@OnlyTimefps9]

Facts! So few people understands this!

[@quietdemon8138]

Why do people keep calling it a drastic change? It’s literally foreshadowed throughout the entirety of WandaVision and Agatha is practically a reflection of what she becomes in Multiverse of Madness, the Darkhold latched onto her obsession with being with Billy and Tommy again so much so to the point that she is willing to kill an innocent girl in order to be with them again, it’s not until Chavez shows her what she’s become by showing how terrified her own kids are of her that she finally snaps out of it and realises what she’s become, I definitely don’t think she’s dead but I think she’s most likely faked her death and gone into exile somewhere in the multiverse

[@katarinateslar]

👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 YESSSSS literally people obviously didn’t pay attention during WandaVision. This happened in the comics as well she went so dark with her children and wanting her children etc etc. Makes me so mad about other people disagreeing 😂😂😂😂

[@ohno3358]

@JJV1224 yeah her chaos magic works on autopilot so it prob didnt let her die

[@Flash-pp3cr]

I guess it just wasn't a smooth transition. But hey, some people need it, others don't because they have a better grip of what's coming next lol

[@lc11_]

I hope wand gets a solo movie and I think the high evolutionary should be a villain i mean he is in the scarlet witches comics

[@jfyne03]

It's confirmed that she will have a standalone film; releasing sometime in 2024. Filming will begin next year. Edit: it was reportedly revealed, not confirmed. My mistake

[@WWERULES001]

@@jfyne03 no it wasnt

[@jfyne03]

@@WWERULES001 apologies! should've said reportedly revealed instead of confirmed

[@staywithmeow1742]

​@@jfyne03 baseless rumour

[@padenbang7375]

They literally cut the legs off of their own narrative. Her personal and emotional journey in Wandavision. Losing vision and creating the alternate reality to deny her pain. Then literally goes through the 5 stages of grief, and arrives at a place of acceptance and repentance about the wrongs she committed. And while the show wasn't that great, it was a damned beautiful character arc, imo. Then, in 1 short after credit scene, that's all undone by inserting a Mcguffin or "DarkHold" which basically "possess" Wanda into making her baby crazy? Besides being a terrible example of writing, you could argue it's some really problematic archaic "She's just Hysterical" bullshit. Hard Pass

[@trytrading4103]

Wanda was great as well as strange.

[@rev7710]

Naw screw Wanda

[@M22-u4x]

Eh, the issue is more that Strange is so blasé or entirely uninterested about the fact Wanda isn't in control of herself. He's like "Meh, guess we have to kill her" after maybe 2 minutes of dialogue- he even knows she's not acting out as brutally as she wants to. And you could say "F-k you, that's not fair! She was being selfish, wah, wah, wah"....well, America only just showed Wanda to her kids and the Darkhold released her, that's it! She's didn't ever have to kill all those people if he appealed to her humanity FIRST. So if all you ever had to do was demonstrate for her what he children would think, that sounds a lot more logical than "Oh lemme make myself a zombie and get ghosts to wrestle her".

[@jeaniebeanie6]

Exactly! This was one of my biggest issues with the movie (along with Wanda's initial descent into corruption not being shown). Strange acted like he and Wanda didn't even have a friendship, like Wanda hadn't been a part of the Avengers for years and didn't help save the world with him. It was like "oh Wanda is corrupted, we have to kill her"....and then zero emotion or remorse or hurt after she "dies", like she was just some random villain he won against. Meanwhile, compare how he was with Peter and there's a stark difference. Sam Raimi's writers shat on this.

[@M22-u4x]

@@jeaniebeanie6 He doesn't even notice Wanda did anything good to Wong mentions it! Wanda destroyed the Darkhold in every universe which largely stops many, many Dr. Stranges from going gravely corrupt. We KNOW he's just as corruptible if not more corruptible than Wanda, much more infamous in the multiverse. So she kind of saved his ass or asses and did worlds of good (literally). Strange is pretty much like "Oh ya, guess she did".

[@thefilmlover3076]

I don't like how Wanda being portrayed in this movie. All praise to Elizabeth Olsen, she is the real embodiment of the Scarlet Witch, but i was hoping for a more positive turn for Wanda fate. But instead, Marvel just added more tragedies to her life, like if your life is full of tragedies, you will eventually become a villain. I think it would send a really negative message to the audience. I was hoping to see Wanda learn to live with her pain, heal and make greatness out of her miseries. Hope that MCU would consider this in later projects. About the Darkhold corrupting her thing, I think this was what she brought on herself. Just like Agatha, they both chose to open it and practice the dark magic written on it. She never learned from what happened in Westview. I could sympathize for Wanda and understand why she snapped in WandaVision, but in this one, this was all on her. Even though being corrupted, Wanda didn't seem like someone who didn't aware of what she was doing. She could see clearly what she has become through her sons' eyes. She didn't seem like the Darkhold put her on its puppet strings. Therefore, she is responsible for those crimes she commited. My heart bled for her, but I thought Marvel could have done better on her character 🤷‍♀️

[@NetherVoiD]

After what had happened to Xavier. I hope Dark Phoenix does not hunt Scarlet Witch down, that is if ever she survived that last scene. If she did survived, better say her goodbyes this time permanently.

[@Borninthe80s.]

She’d kick dark Phoenixs ass

[@emiliolopez3064]

I hope they come up with something cool for The Scarlet Witch! Love that character!

[@romanpaolino5215]

Wanda has gone hardcore Stephen King's Carrie in this movie!

[@Robert-tl2vg]

In case you were deaf and blind during the movie here’s Looper to explain the bloody obvious to you.

[@staywithmeow1742]

sorry Wanda removed my eyes and ears 😭

[@blakartist2000]

I felt that this Doctor Strange movie is part of Wanda's tragic story to her path of self-discovery to her happiness. Marvel should do a Vision series from the Tom King comics, which Vision create his own family to live in the suburbs and he gets there by meeting with his creator's wife Pepper Stark and she allow him to stay at one of Starks labs and there he has the necessary materials to create his family. The ending of that series Wanda makes a cameo appearance, but this is an after credit for what happens in Wong's movie, and you don't see Wanda and Vision together again unitil Wong's movie. Agatha Harkness, I think is getting a series which Marvel can explore how Agatha can help Wanda right after what happened in the MOM movie, she seeks Agatha's help as she warns Wanda, she will need but Wanda is unaware that a mystic force has been watching her and is coming to drain her powers Nightmare or Mephisto most likely Nightmare sent by Mephisto because she destroyed the Darkhold and Mephisto need to restore that corrupting source back into the multiverse. These ladies Wanda and Agatha join forces to take on Nightmare and get help from Wong because Doctor Strange is still off planet. Before all that is started Agatha inform Wanda that her kid's spirits are still on earth, and she can help her find them. Wong get his own movie this is where they Wanda, Agatha and Wong finish fighting Nightmare. This is where Vision who is not White Vision anymore because of what he went through in his own series is back to normal, but he finds Wanda at the...

[@roanlanzaderas413]

Wanda was like the CARRIE WHITE of MCU

[@cdtoast]

Wanda was never actually bad, she was broken just like spiderman because she lost everthing (so did spiderman at the end of no way home) so they are pretty similar but wanda is practically slowly becoming a god

[@Mozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Never actually bad? Mf went on a killing spree 😭

[@daniellew2271]

She dreamed about the sons every single night. And with darkhold she is capable of mentally jump to other realities to check and confirm. She started practicing it since end of wandavision. And every other realities, there are sons except earth 616. These turned her, slowly, one dream at a time. To understand you need to read between the lines and between shows.

[@mhiggs8001]

Everything aside, has anyone else noticed how her costume now has these fracture lines running throughout? They radiate out from the spot where the heart is in the chest. Pretty neat costume detail I think.

[@kisumeinoterus4585]

Maybe its because she was hit by the canon in kamar taj?

[@mhiggs8001]

@@kisumeinoterus4585 perhaps, but I don’t think so. It seems like an intentional design element of her updated scarlet witch look.

[@kisumeinoterus4585]

@@mhiggs8001 Yeah, it makes very much sense too

[@mhiggs8001]

@@kisumeinoterus4585 I just like to speculate a lot lol it’s a huge part of the fun for me when I watch any show haha so Wandavision was a lot of fun for me. Every week I’d be like theorizing like a mad man.

[@rebelfighter5249]

Yep. Her costume reflected a broken heart, just like there was a mind stone shaped space in the center of her collar to represent Vision and his impact on her life.

[@markthomas6236]

I love what you do

[@J1283-s1k]

Wanda is a phenomenal character who has seen her share of days both on the heroic side of the spectrum as well as the villainous but it's definitely getting very odd how so many people rush to whitewash her actions. She was the one who chose to resume Ultron's murder mission in Africa by haunting Bruce and the Hulk into going on a rampage, she was the one who chose to ignore everyone from Hayward to Monica to Vision to Agatha to the very people of Westview who were all telling her time and time again that she had them enslaved. It was how mentally unstable she was but unfortunately, as result, she, in her panic, even attempted to gaslight the poor citizens of Westview when they begged her to free their children from the room they had been locked in for a month while their parents desperately attempted to save their own minds from days spent physically being forced to live out a bizarre TV sitcom and nights suffering Wanda's nightmares, strangling them in response to their tormented pleas. While Wanda is a perfect example of the inner devastation and turmoil grief and suffering and loss can cause and outwardly express, and she deserves so much sympathy for her loss and her journey, it's very odd how a lot of fans are clambering, still, to defend her and argue against any accountability or responsibility for Westview simply because of her grief. Grief isn't an excuse, a get out of jail free card or a blank check to commit more grief onto others and that's the key part people are missing. I don't even blame Wanda for the Multiverse of Madness as the Darkhold had corrupted her (we saw the same it could do to Strange) but people ignoring her conscious decisions in Wandavision, regardless of grief, are very odd, to me.

[@eagleowl3664]

I absolutely loved this Evil Wanda as the Red Witch. I even loved Hela from Thor Ragnarok. Maybe I just have a thing for female super villains.

[@OnlyTimefps9]

Same. She’s my favorite broken villain right next with Joker and Vader ❤

[@byronlee8745]

Hearing this info kinda makes me feel sorry for Wanda. But sometimes villains have very tragic and heartbreaking backstory, so I can't really blame her for being a hero turned villain.

[@OnlyTimefps9]

Underrated ❤

[@meliiina_4647]

What a mother would do for her children - it’s not even for Vision anymore. She didn’t even mention him the whole movie, it was all for the kids.

[@nunyabiz012]

Kids, mind you, which existed only in a reality bubble that she herself created.

[@Baal_in_Dark]

We cannot fully blame her right? She was at her most vulnerable point. It was easy for the Darkhold to manipulate/corrupt her. And her desire for her to see her children again was just too much. It get so hard watching Doctor Strange and see her fall deeper. Redemption’s going to be so difficult now, if any. Hope this isn’t the last of her. My question is where is White Vision? I thought he had Vision’s memories. Why isn’t he in Wanda’s life. Why is Wanda not worried about him anymore? Also, there must have been another way for her to get her kids. I mean even if materialized with her power or something, or whatever but damn. It was just so hard to watch.

[@TheSonicrobbe]

I didn't find the corruption very convincing in the movie, it feels more like it's just wanda doing this and the book is more of a side thing I didn't find it very great and it honestly ruined wanda for me

[@thomaschapman9112]

I think it’s like when someone is on drugs or drunk. Yes you blame the alcohol or the drugs, but the person also has to take responsibility. Wanda is the same, she was corrupted by the darkhold, but I think there was a part of her that’s aware of the carnage she’s left.

[@TheSonicrobbe]

@@thomaschapman9112 Yea that's exactly how it felt in the movie

[@anakinskywalker7323]

Wanda has always been unstable and crazy in the comics. It's not Marvel's problem if you want Wanda to always behave like a Disney princess.

[@thomaschapman9112]

@@anakinskywalker7323 I mean she did ‘Let it go’ in sense….. I mean she let her sanity go but you know 🤷‍♂️🤣

[@TheSonicrobbe]

@@anakinskywalker7323 You didn't read my comment. Wanda deserved more scenes where she turns evil instead of instantly being evil, it's just weird

[@AllaeXO]

If "I'm about to Do EVERYTHING In My Power to See My Kids again" was A Person, it would be Wanda! 😩😅

[@Gemgoddy]

Being that Darkhold Wanda possessed the other Wanda that didn’t have the Darkhold, was that pure scarlet witch power that so easily took out the Illuminati? As well as Dr. strange? Or was the power somehow Transferred with the possession?

[@staywithmeow1742]

I think the power is transferred, because only the scarlet witch can rewrite reality (removing blackbolt's mouth)

[@ashtonogwigglesfan]

I heard she'll also join forces with Dr Doom. If she continues on the path of evil, she never deserves to be an Avenger again.

[@nicrome]

Olsen’s acting skills carried the whole movie

[@joevelazquez1839]

I just watch this movie like 30 mins ago… omg this movie was dark! Lol

[@crocodileranger8404]

hated that they made her a villain and went with the "hysterical woman" route.

[@maxcelestin2446]

The dark hold is not dark magic wdf it’s , a direct connection to what she’s all ready using , chaos magic and back to the original owner of it. Y’all are lazy

[@The_ASMR_Listener]

Dr.Strange gives thanos infinity stone so half the unviverse will die just to come back 5 years later so Iron man can sacrifice him self (total deaths = 1/total saved = half the universe) Wanda: kills most of Kamar-Taj several heros in in different multiverses in the result of saving 2 kids that said can destroy whole universes for just interecting too much ( Total deaths = 2 universes/total saved = 3)

[@christophersherman5404]

Since there can only be one Scarlett witch per universe? I find it hard to believe that 616 wanda could just wipe out her other variants books which are so powerful. Arent the other Wanda's just as powerful and could have sensed that this was happening?

[@staywithmeow1742]

Not all wandas are scarlet witches, and the darkhold is just a copy, they can always go to the wundagores in their universe to get the spells

[@dhurbssskhadka2551]

Is Wanda from earth 838 in her westview moment? Meaning soon she will become scarlet witch?

[@staywithmeow1742]

the 838 darkhold is in the illuminati's hands, I don't think Wanda can ever get the book We don't even know if 838 vision exists

[@竹海-r4r]

I get that she's corrupted by the Darkhold, but storytelling and character development should really be more than that. This movie make it seem like she didn't learn any lesson from Westview, but if you watch the last episode it's so clear that she did. Throwing it all away based on "Darkhold corruption" just seem so lazy and disrespectful. Plot-wise it all make sense, but from a story-telling perspective, eh.

[@theoneaboveall4533]

Wanda: female version of Anakin Skywalker.

[@Stephietv]

I was expecting it to be like house of m and more about the X-men and her

[@Seiferboi]

I wish Magneto would make an appearance and interact with Wanda. I wonder what he'd think of his daughter turning evil?

[@ultimatemagneto3354]

That's been retconned. She's no longer my daughter.

[@Vincesjones]

@@ultimatemagneto3354 But he still considering wanda as her own daughter

[@KylanHarv]

What the heck is wrong with the voice in this vid ? Sounds like they slowed it down for some reason... Sounds odd lol

[@iClone316]

I think that's just his voice everytime

[@Kiiitty14]

Do all the other wandas still have their children because they only have their probability magic so the odds r ever in their favor vs the scarlet witch n the like dark chaos magic

[@Tampabruh]

This movie was far better than Spiderman 3!!! I was disappointed that Wanda had to be the main villain but I understand her grief!!!

[@ComicPower]

Dr Strange 2 is just a fantastic film. People will be watching this 20 years from now.

[@QuangMinh-kd1bn]

Ok but isn’t every universe must have mount Wundergore as well ? Basically destroying Darkhold in every universe is useless

[@staywithmeow1742]

it's not useless, it's not everyday you can just go to the wundagores and acquire the power, and so little people even know about the place's existence

[@ismaelfarooqi1047]

Wanda is my favorite

[@alexlee8108]

Seriously, It’s hard for the director / producer / writers to please everybody.. In infinity war Wanda & Vision were ambushed by 2 Black Order. Haters: “complaining how weak they are being portrayed since the rest of avengers came to rescue them both” In End Game Wanda almost destroyed Thanos before being hit by missiles Haters: “Wanda is the 2nd if not the strongest avenger, its absurd she can’t dodge or create shield prior being hit” In Dr. Strange 2, Scarlett Witch defeated everyone, except eventually being “multiversely punched” by a kid. Haters: “it’s crazy she can easily defeated Dr. Strange, making him useless, her power don’t make sense” If… Wanda, Dr. Strange or Ancient One Is able to defeat all enemies, including Thanos, Dormamu and Galactus, therefore the rest of avengers / marvel superheroes are useless ? Each character has their own screentime to showcase their combat skills. MCU and avengers -> not only about 1 most powerful superhero Therefore, The writers need to adjust power and combat skills for all superheroes to create a realistic storyline to surprise and please the fans. ❤️💚

[@jeaniebeanie6]

Show not tell. That was the problem with the writing. They kept telling us how the Darkhold slowly corrupts, but we don't see Wanda being corrupted just that she already is corrupted. We started the movie with her already gone dark, THEN being told what happened to her. It's lazy writing, disrespectful to her character who went on a beautiful emotional arc in her prior appearance, and creates what felt like a sudden drastic change. They could've spent like maybe 10-15 min in the beginning setting that up rather than just throwing us and her into this villainous turn and then using the lazy "Darkhold corruption" explanation after.

[@Fluffy_cat77]

Remember the other avengers from the different dimension when they said they are afraid of Doctor Strange instead of afraid of Wanda BUT Wanda literally killed all them off-

[@onur97able]

If you guys watching this then you are already dont care about spoilers Wanda's motivations makes no sense she's gonna travel in multiverse find one version of herself that has her kids kill that variant and gonna assume the role of their mother. What she cant pursue another recently single avenger member to make babies with ?

[@staywithmeow1742]

if only love was that simple

[@Surfing1709]

How many people on earth need to learn to let go of the past to accept what happened in order to have a chance of happiness again? How many people take revenge, But it will mot make u feel better.

[@aureliebreniel678]

I've got many questions about Doctor Strange 2, and I wish that people could respond to them: Firt question is why does Doctor Strange refused to give Wanda her own reality? Next question is if Wanda is really dead?

[@kavinab6629]

I wonder if she’s dead too (this version of her anyway) cos if u look closely when she pulls down the building There’s a red flash so I wonder if the chaos magic protected her

[@ashr.k5041]

Like they don’t include her at the ending… like what happens to her

[@staywithmeow1742]

1) cuz she literally wants to kill america to get her children 😆 2) nahh she's too powerful to be dead

[@gerabitavci7958]

The darkhold doesn't give power or magic. It teaches you the truth, knowledge and spells. And you need magic to do the spells, so normal mortals are nothing with the darkhold but the knowledge.

[@krishgarg2806]

For people who don't know the power of Darkhold, just watch Agents of Shield Season 4. The entire season is based around this book.

[@derrickwilliams1210]

Black Bolt 😩

[@ricardomachado6792]

Dead lol But there is some other Black Bolt in another universe

[@derrickwilliams1210]

@@ricardomachado6792 Hopefully not the one from Inhumans lol

[@1119-w3u]

All I know is this is proof that Scarlet Witch is more powerful than Capt Marvel. She wreck Capt Marvel on that other Earth.

[@oheidi5956]

A flaw I find is why didn’t the writer remember this is a multiverse! So there must be a multiverse were her children have no mother! She could have gone there instead!

[@blameitonthedesign]

I could be wrong, but it seems they tried to do the “two different entities” thing with Wanda and Scarlet. Don’t remember it being like that in the comics? Not an expert on it though

[@staywithmeow1742]

they are the same thing

[@mistystrickland32]

I'm a big Wanda fan and I loved this darkside of her.

[@Xxsorafan]

I wish they didn’t excuse it to the dark hold corrupting her and that she was just so desperate to find happiness with her two boys

[@astra4429]

So she remains undefeated😍 , but defeated by her own kids.

[@MisterBump73]

All she had to do was ask America to take her to a reality where her kids existed but she was dead. It's not called the infinite multiverse for nothing 🤷‍♂️

[@staywithmeow1742]

she still wants America's power so she can protect her children from any diseases tho

[@jaredknight8838]

She *did* learn the lesson from Wandavision. The problem is Raimi didn't watch it so he fucked up the character development it established and ruined one of the best characters in the entire franchise. .

[@summertyme5748]

*The McGuffin made me do it!* - Wanda

[@nunyabiz012]

So the moral of the story is that severely emotional women are violent and hurt others in the process. Why does that sound so familiar recently? Where have we ‘Heard’ that before?

[@Flash-pp3cr]

lol!

[@sarthaktripathi9427]

Lmao🤣

[@Shadow-qq3hi]

Wanda was a great villian I how she stays one but becomes like the main threat Ana everyone has to try to stop her

[@MasonPerry7]

But she can re cast her spell if she wanted to and remanifest Billy and Tommy as they were. No “hex” required

[@HoverStrike]

My biggest disappointment was how utterly useless every other superhero was compared to her, including Dr. Strange. Even the other universe's Captain Marvel was more of an annoyance and not a real threat. She basically wiped out their entire Avengers team with hardly any effort or taking any real damage. Seemed way too powerful.

[@staywithmeow1742]

tbf she is supposed to be powerfu, chaos magic + darkhold + emotional unstability

[@AliTalksEverything]

Scarlett Witch has always been more evil than good, they finally made her who she is in the comics instead of this Avenger who brought fresh baked chocolate chip cookies to Wakanda before the final showdown with Thanos. After being useless for 3 movies they make her OP because her biological clock is wacky and she has empty nest syndrome about children that never existed

[@gl1tch630]

Wait… did she disappear? I thought she… you know…

[@Shiru1402]

wanda feels like the dark phoenix of xmen

[@revanruler6404]

I don't why people are surprised she tortured thousands in wandavision she was already a villain. Also she literally committed genocide in the comics and gets away with no conséquences (BeCAuSe ShE WaSn'T HeRsElF) and doesn't seem to show remorse, but when cyclops literally fixes all the world's problèms the great and perfect avengers try to attack him and basically treat him as hitler for Killing one person in self defense. Tldr cyclops was right fuck wanda and the avengers

[@jambrekartuber7125]

Love wandas dark hole

[@юля801]

So even though scarlet witch is very op, she can't force her desire in to existence

[@IMLLAMALIFE]

He needed ghost rider in multiverse of madness

[@ojastalgaonkar3000]

but something doesn't sit right with me . surely the dark holds corruption didnt wear off. she cant just drastically change after hearing her kids. here's my theory (I heard this from somewhere and extended upon it) she switched bodies in the scene where 838 wanda touches original wanda .then she says "know that they will be loved " assuring 838 wanda that she wouldn't terrorize them . then she used magic to control her ,make her destroy the dark holds so no other wanda tries this and attacks her new reality by chance . and maybe the 838 wanda regained conciousness at the last minute and protected her self (the red light in the smoke) . now she will seek help in this reality and overwork dr strange for the 4th time .

[@staywithmeow1742]

She can only dreamwalk by using the spell which require the circle of candles, so I don't think this theory is correct

[@XxLonelyxX]

i give the movie 10/10

[@rainbowguy6912]

and thats how everything started.

[@Theheadless1858]

I know what they were trying to do… but they did it so poorly. Also, she created them once and she can create them again. The issue the first time is that she wasn’t trained enough and tied her children to Westview so that she couldn’t free the town without dissolving them but clearly she can do it again. This movie was unnecessary and almost every character in it is worse off for having been on it.