WandaVision and the Destruction of Grief | Explained

What is grief if not Amanda crying over fictional characters?
Taking a look at Wanda's progression through the season, becoming the villain, what I loved, some complaints, and some theories going forward with those end credits explained.
The MCU finally hit the small screen with WandaVision and it's exactly what I was waiting for from Scarlet Witch
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[@AmandaTheJedi]

What is 'down bad' if not Amanda simping over a fictional character?

[@triple_egggsalad]

It's to be expected at this point. Anything less, and it wouldn't even be a video tbh

[@EatinPaste]

Lmao. You practically simp over a fictional character in every genre. Never change Amanda. Never change.

[@trinaq]

I personally love it! 💕 First Vanya, now Wanda. Two awesome female superheros, right there!💜

[@robertgrey1377]

Awwe

[@Emma-zc5jm]

I would argue that a person is down bad if they AREN'T simping over Scarlet Witch

[@ladygaygay94]

Also it’s WILD that Wanda had to see Vision die THREE SEPARATE TIMES!

[@trinaq]

Poor Wanda, it's so traumatic that she had to see the love of her life die three times over. No wonder she got so outraged when Fake Pietro made a mean-spirited crack about Vision dying again! 😭💔

[@TheDCbiz]

And Idk which one is really worst; her having to kill her bf, having him recover only to die all over again in a brutal way, or having to have the memory of him like an ultra real simulation of him ALSO die

[@ladygaygay94]

@@TheDCbiz I personally think the Thanos killing was the worst because she really thought she spared him from the pain and fear of getting the stone ripped out. While the Hex Vision death was also heartbreaking, she knew on some level he wasn’t truly real. And her killing him is so close to being the worst but it was because of her overwhelming love for him that she did it to spare him but it didn’t work.

[@TheDCbiz]

@@ladygaygay94 True But all were so arguably equally bad it’s tough for her

[@AVspectre]

... so far...

[@sherlock3134]

White Vision: My protocal is to destroy the Vision Other Vision: But what IS the Vision White Vision: Duuude you just wrinkled my brain

[@loganbigmo]

You get a like for the Community reference.

[@lunaplaysgames9824]

*vsauce music starts*

[@ComicPower]

I'm the dude dressed as the dude trying to destroy the other dude.

[@JK-ur9qv]

THIS IS WRINKLING MY BRAIN

[@novathesnowcone]

troy barnes: THAT is wrinkling my brain

[@ceilinh6004]

Honestly, I don't care whether Wanda's a hero or a villain. She's just such a great character that I'd be engaged in the story either way.

[@luthientinuviel3883]

I'm okay with enjoying her as a complicated character

[@jojo-he5gj]

Same!

[@Gamelover254]

Agreed! She shouldn’t be labeled a hero or a villain. She’s just a character which is why like her. She makes mistakes, she pays the price, but she always strives to learn more and help people. What happened in westview was simply due to depression. I know deep down she knew it was wrong the whole time.

[@TheDCbiz]

I see her as morally grey leaning good due to her intentions kinda like a character trying to break good but ends up being seen as just breaking bad which is so interesting imo

[@TheDCbiz]

@@Gamelover254 she’s kinda more an antihero

[@Phoenix-sb6hl]

Did Wanda do some seriously messed up things? Yes. Is she also hot? Also yes

[@Erin-io3fv]

I would absolutely let her NPC me on the outskirts of town

[@squishish]

it reminds me of that tweet, it has a picture of astral projection and the caption is "my moral compass leaving my body when a villain is sexy"

[@maem7462]

@@squishish That’s a mood lol

[@squishish]

@@maem7462 lots of people agree lol, the tweet went viral some time ago x)

[@rosesongoku6980]

“Say, that’s some getup you’re wearing. Did I leave the oven on, or is that just YOU, hot stuff?”

[@trinaq]

The costume and set designers should get huge raises for how accurately they got the sets and outfits to reflect each classic sitcom era! 💞

[@luthientinuviel3883]

Totally! I was so excited by the fact that Wanda was wearing a bullet bra in the first ep and my family thought I was weird

[@somerandolad]

Absolutely! Her costume was fricking lit! I'm glad it wasn't sexualized, too.

[@daniellejohnson333]

I completely agree and I love your profile picture! Love Adams family

[@trinaq]

@@daniellejohnson333 Thanks so much, I love yours as well! 😘

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

I literally shouted “OH F*CK YES WE GOT WITCH ARMOR” I love how it’s not bikinified. It’s an ass kicking outfit.

[@ladygaygay94]

The show does a beautiful job showing how Wanda goes through the five stages of grief leading to the iconic and gut wrenching line “We’ll say hello again.”

[@trinaq]

Likewise! I love how they subtly hinted at each of the five stages Wanda cycles through. She's blissfully in denial in the beginning, starts to get angry when she evicts Monica for infiltrating into her perfect fantasy, bargains with the SWORD agents to leave them alone, suffers depression when Agatha forces her to relive her past traumas, and finally accepts her loss, releasing the town from her control, and promising Vision that they'll see each other again some day. 🥰

[@cristhianmlr]

The five stages of grief are a lie.

[@ladygaygay94]

@@cristhianmlr I mean.......it’s not but go off I guess

[@cristhianmlr]

@@ladygaygay94 it is. Grief works on different stages, sure, but the 5 fixated stages that pop culture normalized have been debunked for years now.

[@ladygaygay94]

@@cristhianmlr yes grief comes in different stages and spectrums but the structure of the five stages is the best way to explain grief on a basic fundamental level

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

Wanda turning Agatha into Agnes was a HAUNTING scene. You can literally see her screaming behind her eyes as she’s forced into a reality she undoubtedly despises.

[@ninjanibba4259]

She did it to herself, she should be grateful Wanda didn't kill her

[@samkay3774]

She had it coming tbh

[@melissamikaelson9650]

Yeah, she was smiling but she was also crying, and her eyes looked so desperate. It was crazy. I felt kind of bad for Agatha. And then Wanda started SMILING. That was just freaky. Especially since Agatha said that Wanda wasn’t sorry and that she’s cruel, or something like that, and Wanda just smiled. That was really creepy/scary.

[@anthony..5737]

@@samkay3774 Did she? Sure she killed those witches like 300 years ago or whatever, but pretty much all the evil fucked up shit in the show was straight from Wanda

[@IronMechKiller]

@@anthony..5737 'Tricked' wanda by saying she could fix wanda's spell, cared about only power, was ready to kill wanda too who was also a witch like her. And most importantly, killed a dog.

[@laureneras9523]

Why I think this show worked was because we FINALLY see the foundation of what their love was based on. Whereby the movies just kinda threw this relationship at us. The show really explored why this relationship worked and why losing it was so tragic.

[@defiantaichi]

This show was a beautifully allegory of how people going thorough grief or depression can be extremely toxic towards others around them. And they’re stuck between an endless cycle of self hate, self pity, and guilt over hurting other people despite not meaning to. And then her whole journey towards coming towards acceptance. This show was beautiful.

[@mayanksingh6367]

You've definitely got the message of this show right rather then constantly blaming wanda🙏🏻🙏🏻👏👏👏

[@ladygaygay94]

Wanda’s heavy accent when she threatens Hayward is both scary and incredibly hot

[@Annie_Annie__]

Yeah, I’m borderline asexual (grey-ace), leaning closer towards ace, and even I was like, "hey, baby, how you doin’?" to my tablet screen.

[@ladygaygay94]

@@Annie_Annie__ Elizabeth Olsen is just that powerful I swear

[@micahguillemette3344]

This comment is insanely disgusting. Not just because its fetishising something that is VERY toxic to fetishise but also because Wanda is sokovian, so NOT WHITE and elsabth olzen is, would you look at that, white! So no. It was not sexy or attractive and we should throw wonda in the trash.

[@no-oz2hr]

@@micahguillemette3344 😐 just because elizabeth olsen is white doesnt mean we should discredit her performance. She was amazing in this role

[@micahguillemette3344]

@@no-oz2hr Oh, you're right! Nevermind that she said the G slur on tv and contributed to completely erasing Wanda's sokovian identity which was VERY important in the comics. I mean, she may have made a very offensive and stereotypical and harmful joke, but she gave a good performance!

[@cuttlefishii]

Never thought about it before, but this is an extremely poignant and significant show to be airing in the middle of a pandemic where a much higher number of people than normal are having to deal with their own grief of losing loved ones right now

[@cruella4341]

bad timing or perfect timing

[@micahguillemette3344]

Yeah, and where some are stuck being with their abusers more and being forced to suffer through it. What good representation!

[@melissamikaelson9650]

I think you are overestimating how many people have died with covid. Not trying to undermine anyone who has lost a loved one due to the pandemic, but corona-virus is more or less the same as the flu, and there have been more deaths with the flu, and with existing vaccines than covid. Out of 30 million cases in the US there have been half a million deaths. And it was proven that the numbers were exaggerated, people were lying about how many people died because of covid in order to get more money. It’s a good show and does deal with grief, I just don’t see how it’s relevant to this certain time.

[@goofygoober6211]

@@melissamikaelson9650 No, it's not more or less the same as the flu - talk to literally any credible epidemiologist. Covid is inherently different from other viruses such as the flu because of its notable long-lasting impactful symptoms that have the ability to take away people's sense of smell, taste, etc. There's also substantial proof that covid has the ability to destroy your lungs and cause intense brain fog and long-lasting fatigue. It boggles my mind that some people try to downplay the virus just by citing things like survivability rates, when they don't even take into account the effects that covid has on people who do survive the virus. Also, because of covid's unusually high transmission rate (which is higher than the flu's), more people are affected from the virus when proper precautions aren't taken. So, it may not affect you, personally, but because it can be so easily spread, it can affect the vulnerable people of society much more drastically; There have been a significant amount more deaths due to covid than the flu this year because of the fact that herd immunity didn't exist for this specific virus, and nobody had the necessary immune response ready to fight it off. Were there some numbers that were exaggerated in order for people to selfishly benefit off of other people's deaths? Sure, but that concept is nothing new. Even if you do take away the amount of deaths that, you say, are "exaggerated," there's still an astoundingly horrifying amount of people that died from the virus itself. Please, don't spread this kind of BS on the internet, because health care workers have literally been overrun and worn out over the last year due to the amount of people who have had to be treated for a severe form of covid; Half a million people is still a lot of people, and it's been proven that if the virus was taken more seriously from the get-go, hundreds of thousands of lives could have been saved.

[@micahguillemette3344]

Also with how many people are stuck with their abusers and cant get out of the situation! They should really shut thefuck up and stop whinning haha!

[@ladygaygay94]

The noise I made when the Scarlet Witch costume was revealed was unreal

[@MikuDraconia]

Sameeee I was trying not to scream bc it was 1am but the costume is so badass.

[@ladygaygay94]

@@MikuDraconia and incredibly hot!!

[@MikuDraconia]

@@ladygaygay94 oh, absolutely!!

[@Upstartvirus04]

I had the biggest smile on my face when that scene happened. My sister literally pointed it out on how I was trying to hide my smile because of how much I fucking loved that scene. I dont remember the last time I smiled that much because of how much joy I got from something I watched. The music, scenery, the fucking costume, and overall delivery of that scene was just perfect imo. Loved this series.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

I literally shouted “fuuuuck YES we have WITCH ARMOR”

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

Holly sh*t so Tommy & Billy really did said "when we all fall asleep where do we go?“🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@trinaq]

I know, I was in floods of tears when she had to let Tommy and Billy go, and thanked them for choosing her to be their mother! 💜

[@layton6202]

They listen to Billie Elishe

[@nont18411]

Into Doctor Strange sequel

[@billyalarie929]

@@layton6202 this is the only thing about this that matters.

[@layton6202]

@@billyalarie929 I guess so

[@Icelynsinging]

The ending Scarlet Witch outfit is a cosplayer's DREAM. I'm so ready to try making it.

[@micahguillemette3344]

Yay! I cant wait to see your mind rapist/abuser cosplay! :D

[@Msis03]

My last cosplay since the pandemic hit was Wanda's look from Age of Ultron, so when NYCC finally comes back I'm so gonna make her newest costume, it's gorgeous! And the hooded cape too?! I love it :D I'm right there with you!

[@piaroussy]

@@micahguillemette3344 But what is spam, if not Micah shaming everyone in every single one of the comments for liking things.

[@emmao6578]

Yes, I may have to try my hand at making a simple scarlet witch outfit at some point. I'm always on the lookout for characters that I can recreate the look of properly without the use of wigs, dye or too much hair styling and my hairs pretty close to wandas look in that outfit.

[@micahguillemette3344]

@Someone 333 wonda literally mind rapped HUNDREDS of people for weeks. She gaslit, manipulated, lied and forced a bunch of innocent people into it, including someone she "loves". Emotional abuse is a very real thing and wonda did all of them. Oh, thats right! She did it for "love" and at the end she made the villain go back to that and it was seen as evil but who cares! She's gRiEvInG!

[@audefouliard8962]

I love how everyone is simping for Wanda in her Scarlet Witch costume, and here I am, just overjoyed to see Darcy again, in a more important role than just comic relief!

[@njmoonfrost6145]

I am both! XD

[@buzzcutseason142]

well you’re in the minority boo hoo

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Im both. They are awesome

[@alim.9801]

Darcy seems weirdly overhated, like she isn't my fave but she's alright and at least serves a purpose in the narrative like every time she's included. I think this is probably her funniest outting

[@sbcj9]

I feel like this show was a way of dealing with depression. Here putting the hex up is the walls we build to keep the world out when we are down. Pretending to live a life we want and don't want to live in the real world. Pushing people away and making them believe something that they don't want to believe. Vision is the part of us that we need to get through are dark times and no matter how much we don't want to deal with the world he is the part that leads us to back to happiness.

[@etherealkivfx]

💗💗💗

[@micahguillemette3344]

Oh wow, yeah, never mind that she mind rapped and abused someone she "loves" for weeks, she's GRIEVING! How cute!

[@shanedaley6236]

@@micahguillemette3344 and they might have pushed the feminist idea that giving up kids or a man makes you a better woman and forced a whole town to stay forever no punishment

[@bensobicj1683]

@@micahguillemette3344 sounds about right I mean whenever I feel sad I just take about 30-50 people hostage and mentally torture them for weeks but I was sad so like it’s ok

[@sarayu9244]

​@@bensobicj1683 I think she will face consequences, but now, no one has enough power to arrest her, until someone like Dr strange comes. I still think in the future she will deal with the consequences.

[@jimhaverlock9784]

That “grief persevering” line was good, but “I know you’ll fix everything, just not for us” broke my heart. I cried, and I’m not ashamed

[@perezortegavalentin9343]

We love Amanda simping over a female character going through shit and proccesing her emotions Umbrella Academy, I'm Not Okay With Whis Shit, and now Wandavision

[@trinaq]

I agree, Vanya, Sydney and Wanda are such badass, strong female protagonists, and Amanda has excellent taste in characters! ♀️😍

[@andregarza5224]

And they’re all telekinetic in some way

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I wouldn't say I simped over Sophia cause she's a child, but I have a strong appreciation for superpowered characters going through it

[@perezortegavalentin9343]

@@AmandaTheJedi Terrible wording by me, lol

[@Sun.Shine-]

Don't remind me of "I'm not okay with this", i miss that show so much 😭

[@HeraThea]

I like how this show tries to introduce that people are not complete villains nor heros and there's nuance to things I think the world needs some more of that because there's a lot if black and white thinking going on recently

[@hordakprime6172]

True even Agnes though a villain said it herself "They are your puppets I'm just cutting their strings." which was a good example of the complexity the show was aiming for.

[@xyc350]

Ehh, Wanda seems pretty villainous to me. And the scene where Monica talking about the residence of Westview don't know about Wanda's sacrifice is absolutely repulsive

[@linkmaxwell]

But that's not true for Heyward, who is portrayed as a cartoonishly evil villain.

[@saraluciaforerogarcia]

@@xyc350 then you didn't actually see the show, it is clear she did bad things, but also that she wants to be better, the show itself shows how much grief can hurt a person and how they try to hide from it

[@xyc350]

@@saraluciaforerogarcia wanting to do good or even actually doing good doesn't just cancel out the bad

[@PVG223]

i think i found Vision's line really impactful, because it made grief sound powerful. in a good sense. yes, still tragic, but also less hopeless. people have been throwing around quotes about grief to show that this one wasn't that great, but most of them seemed to make tragedy more tragic, whereas 'love persevering' is almost comforting

[@swimmyswim417]

I know it’s kind of an “I’m 14 and this is deep” quote, but I lost my grandma back in October and “love persevering” is exactly the kind of thinking that’s helped me cope with the grief.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Honestly, having lost someone very special to me a little over two years ago, Vision's quote very much resonates with how I've been dealing with my own grief. I've got one friend who keeps trying to "help" me by saying the pain will eventually go away, but what I always tell him back is that I don't want the pain to go away. Not that I'm trying to live in the past, but rather just that the pain is what reminds me my love was real.

[@TiffanyVenus]

Vision's line has really impacted me on how I will view my grief from now on. I lost a few dogs in the last few months, and I haven't been able to cope with it. But as soon as I heard Vision say those words, my mental anguish has softened and when I feel grief now it is a painful, but loving reminder that the love I have for my father, grandfather and pets will never leave me. It's one of the most powerful mindset about grief I have ever seen in the past few years.

[@tiaqmal4224]

This show actually made my cry, so many different times. The acting was phenomenal, the story was beautiful. I love a good love story and this was a wonderful, heartbreaking love story.

[@neutralman9124]

Yes! It was heartbreaking.

[@donghyucksmom2413]

This show made me realize Elizabeth Olsen is a gem; besides being beautiful she has great acting

[@ashanein]

Same! I was in tears through a lot of it. I actually appreciated the line about grief because that's what it is to me

[@melissamikaelson9650]

@@donghyucksmom2413 I agree. It’s sad that it took this show for many to appreciate her acting, including me

[@melissamikaelson9650]

The last 3 episodes were so sad, I think I cried a couple times each episode.

[@luthientinuviel3883]

Dude when I saw Vision's body on the tables being worked on I had such a reaction. It just looked wrong, I know people study dead bodies all the time, but he didn't want this. And then she goes to the house, and even that's not there, that was the moment all of Wanda's grief really sunk in for me. I cried.

[@BellaSwan18]

And the fact that he was in /pieces/. Like- he wasn’t even whole. That was devastating.

[@lotsofuwuenergy3983]

And to see the crew referring to him as property, an object, "it"... that also felt painful. Because we see how curious and contemplative Vision is in the movies and feel his humanity be expressed towards Wanda (making comfort food, checking up on her, etc.) that hearing it all be chalked up to just programming made me angry for Vision and Wanda. Imagine hearing about how your partner is a "thing" and just "programmed" to have the personality and intricacies they have.

[@catherinetannahill3714]

I can’t believe no ones talking about the fact that Evan Peters character was the guy in witness protection that Jimmy Woo came to Westview for. Ralph Bohner is obvs a fake name.

[@MotherNature43]

Holy shit! You just flew my mind

[@Sun.Shine-]

Really? What does that mean?

[@miae5358]

Wait that's really interesting!

[@paopawika]

YES! 100% that's what I think too!!

[@gregsanders61]

It likely isn't. Agent Woo had no reaction to his appearance during any of the episodes he appears in being broadcasted. Also the photo with his name on it is apparently an actor head shot meaning he is looking into acting (an activity somebody living on the down low might not want to do).

[@annejia5382]

that dottie scene of asking wanda to include her daughter in the story line was so heartbreaking...

[@Oonagh72]

“Blip” is the event, “Dusted” is what the event did. “She was dusted in the Blip.”

[@Carabas72]

Isn't the event where everybody got dusted called "the Snap", while second event where everybody came back is called "the Blip"?

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

No, the decimation or Snap is when they disapeared Blip is when they came back

[@algebraicfeline2188]

When Darcy sees Vision on the TV for the first time, she says “he’s dead, right? Not blipped; dead”. Fans of the MCU might say “dusted”, but the characters in the MCU say “blipped”. Edit: In Far from Home, the students also say "Those of us who blipped away came back the same age. But our classmates that didn't blip grew five years older". So to clarify, the Snap is Thanos' snap that wiped out half of all life, the Blip is Banner's snap that brought everyone back, and blipped is the term used to describe people who were wiped out for five years.

[@ezra8129]

the blip definitely refers to the whole event, ie, them being snapped away AND them returning.

[@algebraicfeline2188]

@@ezra8129 The entire event was *originally* going to be called the Blip, but that has changed. According to Kevin Feige, it was MCU fans who influenced the change: "We always referred to it as the Blip, and then the public started referring to it as the Snap. We think it's funny when high school kids just call this horrific, universe-changing event the Blip. We've narrowed it down to-the Snap is when everybody disappeared at the end of Infinity War. The Blip is when everybody returned at the end of Endgame … and that is how we have narrowed in on the definitions."

[@jayr2280]

I know we're talking about Wanda, but on the topic of WandaVision 'Agatha all along' had no right going as hard as it did

[@dr.little7311]

It honestly had no right to be that big of a bop but they did that for us. I confused my whole family by walking around the house singing it but honestly, I have no regrets.

[@TheMutantCreeper]

I seriously hope that Wanda and Vision will always be together unlike in the comics where they are divorced.

[@micahguillemette3344]

Yeah, it would be so sad if Vision got away from his mental and emotional abuser!

[@aleynae.8010]

@@micahguillemette3344 Calm down dude, this is not an abuse story. I don't know what you've been through to go at random people's comments to say similar shit but this is not the show for you. This is a magical world that has superheroes in them. The vision we watched in the whole tv series is not even real and just the creation of Wanda's grief and memories of her lover. So he did not get abused, the townspeople however did. If you wanna call Wanda "an abuser" so bad, try to go with her literally holding an entire town hostage but with vision, your argument doesn't work.

[@myasmith1820]

@@micahguillemette3344 You do know that she didn’t abuse him right? You should have talked about her taking a WHOLE TOWN HOSTAGE.

[@jacobd1984]

I don't see how anyone can argue that Wanda didn't abuse Vision. In the context of the story, he was real. He had thoughts and feelings and a will that were effectively independent of Wanda, even if in a technical sense he couldn't exist independently of her. Sure, he's a magical construct, but fantasy stories require us to expand our definitions of real world terms to make sense of narratives sometimes. At various points in the story she: withheld important information from him; verbally gaslit him when he noticed strange things; supernaturally gaslit him by tampering with his memory; tried to railroad him into a particular narrative (replacing all his previous clothes with new options of her choosing); and outright threatened him with the implication that she could make him do what she wanted. There's no denying that the townsfolk had it worse, but in both contexts she acted poorly.

[@melissamikaelson9650]

@@jacobd1984 but she created vision in the first place, albeit subconsciously in order to escape her grief and create this false reality. If she created him with his past memories the charade would be up before it even started, as he’d ask her how he is alive, and she would remember herself. After that, yeah it was wrong not to give him his memories but she herself was still unaccepting or reality. She was trying to control him, and her entire reality, which is wrong, but I think she hasn’t crossed the border to abuse

[@Ishayat]

I read this comment online about why casting Evan Peters makes sense and leaving it here as I did like this explanation: It was pretty neat, actually. Putting him as the faux Quicksilver instilled the same belief in the viewer that this was Pietro in the same way that Wanda herself was trying to accept that. I don't think much of the fanbase would be nearly as willing to accept that this was Quicksilver if any other actor had been chosen. While it is disappointing that he probably won't show up as a QS again, casting him was really effective for tricking both Wanda and the audience.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

I think the messed up thing was Ralph Bohner...I laughed, but the fact he was not only not Quicksilver but a d-joke made a lot of people mad. If he had been like Ralph Johnson...nope nope. Ralph Stevens? Idk, something generic it would have felt for some that it was less "haha, got you."

[@KatherinaBathory]

Exactly! With this casting we got to experience something similar to what Wanda felt "this is Pietro... But not really"

[@KatherinaBathory]

@@TheDawnofVanlife Bohner is an iconic character from the sitcom "Growing Pains". So I think it was just another sitcom reference.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@@KatherinaBathory I heard that as well, but let's be real. 98% of the audience during their disappointment that this isn't FOX Quicksilver also hear a d-joke.

[@AndromedaD]

I held out hope, but after really thinking about it... Darcy, Wanda, and Jimmy were all played by people with a history of sitcoms. Evan Peters was not only on sitcoms, but he's probably best known outside the X-Men for being on American Horror Story. What was Wandavision if not a sitcom-flavored pseudo-mutant exploration of love and grief with serial horror overtones?

[@BigFanOfManyThings]

I found it equally moving when vision says ‘I’ve always been alone, so I’ve never felt the lack’... I mean not knowing loss and loneliness because you’ve always been alone and had no one is almost as hard hitting as Wanda’s loss and grief.

[@whatsername1180]

I saw that someone else hated that the true "villain " of this season was grief. I really think that people that dont like that grief is a villain, have never really grieved a loved one. I've lost so many family members and friends and I'm only 28, that I really, truly felt the pain that Wanda went through and understand why Wanda had to do what she did to cope. Grief is so overwhelming and all consuming, and if you had amazing superpowers, you'd use them in any way to bring that person back.

[@GuerillaBunny]

I can understand *why* Wanda did what she did, but she didn't *have to* do it. I can empathize with her grief, but I can, and have to, still condemn her actions. Hurting others because you're suffering, while understandable on an emotional level, is not okay. If we accept that people who are suffering just *have to* hurt others, we're gonna end up with a very scary society. I empathize with your loss, but I also must express my disagreement.

[@nephtys369]

I think you’re right. With her power? I’d have done the same thing.

[@shreksmeatballs9435]

@@GuerillaBunny she was in denial though. You can see that she didn't know how much the residents were truly suffering until Agatha revealed it to her and overwhelmed her with it. She was doing it subconsciously. This reality was PERFECT for her. It's totally understandable how she would let that happiness blind herself to the point of denial. I think you're also forgetting that she made the Hex accidentally. It was just one big happy accident. Understand the naunces. Has she gotta account for what she's done? Yes. But are her reasons justified? Absolutely. Should we throw around hate and call her a villain and an evil bitch? No. Should we praise her for being a saintly person? Also no. She's a morally grey character, and that's what makes her so great. Unfortunately some 10 year olds on the internet can't seem to understand that ( not talking about you, just in general lol )

[@novemberabend]

The five stages of grief are: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. Wanda goes through all of them during the show, this is such a great detail. The show was so amazing

[@sujaykadam99]

While at the same time torturing 3,892 people and just plain walking away from it without any consequences and touting that she's the one that suffered the most and it's ok for her to do that. By this logic, if someone's close one is dying and needs a operation to save them it makes it ok for them to rob a bank at gunpoint if the financial situation is dodgy. But yeah it's different, here at the very least there's a good chance that the dying person survives while wanda is just delusional and doing random things that she thinks would make her feel good, regardless of what the implications are for the people being tortured.

[@cherchehacknostale]

@@sujaykadam99 well you're right but I still understand. Monica said she would have done the same if she had had the power to.

[@ussinussinongawd516]

@@sujaykadam99 this is a movie not real life stop projecting

[@avanishdutta2658]

@@sujaykadam99 Don't worry. She is still on sword's radar.

[@Grim_Sister]

Considering the actress and her connection to Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen, I’m kinda surprised they didn’t make a Full House joke. Or a Fuller House joke

[@SD-zz4ov]

the opening was partly an homage to full house

[@Siriwarbreakerskz]

There's a scene in the final episode where Wanda throws a car at Agnes and it breaks through a brick house. It reminds me of the episode where Stephanie drove a car into the side of their house😂. That might be stretching it though

[@Sonmmmxuan]

@@Siriwarbreakerskz that was actually more of a the wizard of oz reference where Dorothy's house landed on the wicked witch of the east

[@Derxe123]

The eternal struggle of being early: Comment something obviously having not seen the entire video? Or give up the opprtunity to potentially get top comment so Amanda will hear your desperate plea to write the Alice Bella fic we all need?

[@madelinegreenwood4810]

"Alice Bella fic" Well you've got _my_ attention-

[@yanfeix6995]

time to start a petition for that fic..

[@christopherjustice6411]

When I had to deal with grief from a traumatic event I spent 3 years obsessively trying to bring the NHL back to my hometown. Grief is weird. And makes you do even weirder things. This show nailed that fact.

[@bensobicj1683]

Yea I mean abusivly writing emails to the nhl to bring it back is definitely the same as taking 30-50 people hostage and mind torture them for weeks but you know she was grieving so it’s fine

[@christopherjustice6411]

@@bensobicj1683 Never wrote an e-Mail to the NHL. I abandoned my previous academic interests and fought my way into college to study sports management for two years.

[@bensobicj1683]

@@christopherjustice6411 ok? My point still stands

[@Monie71793]

@@bensobicj1683 No it doesn't. You are comparing reality & fiction over a vague statement about how grief makes you do weird shit. & she _was_ grieving (her powers went haywire _because_ of her grief). Grief has proven to make people act irrationally.

[@bensobicj1683]

@@Monie71793 sorry I don’t talk to older then 5 people that like my little pony....

[@rustyshackleford6633]

It bothers me that it's "cool" to hate on MCU stuff (on twitter mostly). Like it's not that serious. People should just let people enjoy things. This was a solid 9 episodes with a decent amount of heart and mystery. Personally I enjoyed the crap out of it.

[@cody_638]

Right. Like people are allowed to complain and dislike something but it's really annoying when they judge someone for liking it or try to convince you that it's bad, like mind yo own business damn💀

[@micahguillemette3344]

"Oh no! People are talking about how it was racist on purpose and romanticised and glorified and even excused abuse! Why cant they just not point out how toxic and horrible it was so i can enjoy it and excuse how fucking horrible wonda is!" You are absolute trash and so is everyone like you. Stop trying to excuse abuse and be like "its just a show" when its obviously NOT. Get a godamn education.

[@no-zf9yv]

@@micahguillemette3344 how is it racist?

[@LAL7887]

Right? Like it feels like everyone loved the MCU and then started to hate on it like a teenager that now cringes at everything they used to like. But all along the MCU was flawed on one hand but exciting and fun on the other hand and none of that changed

[@Eagle_Owl2]

@@no-zf9yv Someone said that Wanda or at least her adoptive parents in the comics are Romani (not Romanian!). Romani as a group are often discriminated against and for example were also persecuted during WW2. At one point in the show, Wanda says that her costume is inspired by a Sokovian fortune teller. While Sokovia is fictional, it still fits the narrative of Wanda (or her parents) being Romani. The association of Romani people and (scam) fortune tellers is an overall racist stereotype. So this part of the show was at least insensitive and should've been handled differently. But personally, I don't think that that's a reason to cancel it or hate on it (I'm not Romani though, so I really don't know how affected people think about this). Well, that's the only thing that I can think of right now which would be racist about the show.

[@spyderprimus2863]

TO be fair, when Wanda mentions a kid at their orphanage with a 'skin condition', its referencing Nightcrawler lol

[@yassjun4309]

“His one true love” Yes, stucky is canon

[@lamaface]

if we all just agree that the Big Gay Panic from the last ten minutes of EG never happened, it absolutely is.

[@lamaface]

@Ann I don't like Peggy all that much, mainly because of that scene in TFA where she shoots at Steve (flip the genders on that scene and try and tell me that you wouldn't have been screaming RUN GIRL RUN so loud they'd have heard you in the next galaxy over) but that is also a solid point - she had a good life that she worked hard for, who gave him the right to mess that up?

[@divergentxmen283]

@Ann in the gifted (marvel xmen show) a man (jace turner) shoots ppl and gets triggered

[@jacobd1984]

@Ann Didn't Peggy still get to live that life though? The writers established that unlike the time stone, quantum tunneling cannot change what happened, only create new timelines. The original Peggy still lived the same life; the new Peggy gets to have Steve and still live an amazing life where she works hard. A life where, incidentally, one of her greatest achievements doesn't get infiltrated and perverted almost from the start by an anti-freedom terrorist cult. It was pretty rotten that Steve ended up leaving Bucky behind for so long though, even if it's implied they discussed it beforehand. They should have gone back together. Since Steve aged around 40 years in about 80 years, he's probably still got plenty of time with Bucky, but that's....certainly much less than ideal. I'd like to believe the Russos hands were tied and the Disney+ series was already locked in, but that's basically just wishful thinking.

[@ayoogunsakin9223]

@Ann i don't think cap ever fully moved on though. It was made pretty apparent that his attatchment to Bucky solidifies that. In Endgame he has no place, no real purpose in the current world. He's a veteran misplaced in time, trying his best to move on even in the very last avengers movie.(ie the group therapy session he either goes to or conducts.) Steve was still kinda hung up on the life he missed out on, so I for one was happy when he was able to have a life with Peggy in the past. Tony and Hawkeye did, why not him? Besides he didn't rewrite anything. The reality with Peggy moving on still exists. The perfect loop hole where we can have our cake and eat it too.

[@beatrizgomescosta2397]

i think this show was the perfect show for marvel to launch during the pandemic. we can all relate to wanda and her necessity to escape from her reality, because we all wanna do the same

[@TalysAlankil]

I deeply relate to your "She can slam me through the avengers complex any day"…thanks wanda for reminding me that i am in fact bisexual

[@dr.little7311]

Thank you Wanda for teaching me that I am bisexual.

[@clblowe]

Has anyone acknowledged that “Ralph Bohner” still has quicksilver’s powers even after he stopped playing the role of Pietro? Was that ever explained in the show?

[@cristiesvega2413]

It's the necklace that gave him the power while Agatha still controls him

[@cherryfries623]

@@cristiesvega2413 when was that explained or shown in anyway lol

[@lunacouer]

@@cherryfries623 Well, in the series finale, a little less than 10 minutes in, Monica figures out he's Ralph, then "scans" him for what's controlling him. She can see it's the necklace, she breaks it off, and suddenly he's all "Don't hurt me". But then we don't know what happens to him after that. And honestly, that seems like a lot of power to be able to make a normal human into a superhero, power I don't know if Agatha has. So, he really may be mutant fast.

[@cherryfries623]

@@lunacouer exactly my point. I don’t get why everyone is saying that the necklace gave him powers when that wasn’t shown as a possibility in the show at all. Plus, the director has said recently that Evan Peters’ character may be more than meets the eye, so I guess we’ll see.

[@pbbbby]

Amanda: tells how obvious Agatha is a villain Me who really had no idea the whole time: okay.

[@KeitieKalopsia]

Wanda doesn’t need to be a hero or a villain to be an amazing, likable character. She is, without a doubt, my favorite character in the MCU.

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

She was ultimately more of a loser than Venom and yet I still like her. Good night sweet chaos wizard, and a flight of Winged Visions sing thee to thy rest

[@LoveNeko64]

I noticed not a lot of folks were talking about Monica using her powers and why she wasn't more active. I see it that she just got her powers and she doesn't know how to use them. But with this trip up into space she definitely will.

[@ThePenguinosity]

Okay but if I had Wanda's powers and I had to watch the love of my life die twice, I would have totally created our own reality to have them back.

[@moxiemaxie3543]

Its amazing how grief brings denial. The audience denied the fact that Wanda was controlling the town when norm said "She's in my head". Put blame on Agnes and Hayward, even when they revealed its always been Wanda.

[@Yngvolkayno]

Omg, THANK YOU for being one of the few people to acknowledge Tony's growth and change from movie to movie!! Most people seem to think he's still the same jerk we see in the first half hour of IM1, and it gets tiring trying to explain what a good character arc is over and over.

[@BeeKee404]

I've noticed some similarities to another show I watched called Once Upon A Time where the Evil Queen curses an entire realm and sends them to a small town hidden by a magic force field where the people there are under her control and living cursed personas. Watching Wandavision really gave me Evil Queen Storybrooke vibes which honestly made me a feel kinda nostalgic cause I loved OUAT and kinda felt like I was reliving it! Except that Wanda was able to curse a town with her own magic where Regina the Evil Queen needed certain ingredients.

[@micahguillemette3344]

Yeah, weird how in that first story, they acknowledge how horrible what she's doing is and yet in wondavysian they act like its okay!

[@LukasTimberwolfW]

@@micahguillemette3344 I think they made it pretty obvious that its not ok in wandavision. haven't seen once upon a time so can't compare these two

[@HPgirl]

@@LukasTimberwolfW The Evil Queen/Regina gets snide remarks for the curse for six seasons, even after her redemption arc. According to Wanda's final exchange with Monica, Wanda's actions were understandable and it was a shame that the people, she enslaved, wouldn't understand her sacrifice of losing three people, that she literally made up herself. It may be clear, that it is not okay, but it is implied to be forgivable.

[@jacobd1984]

That's....maybe not the most flattering comparison for Wanda, since Regina explicitly put two entire villages to death. And mind controlled a guy into sleeping with her. And gaslit her adopted son. And a host of other evil things I'm not recalling right now. The only reason Regina isn't an irredeemable villain is because Lana Parilla tricks you into forgetting that really, she is.

[@BeeKee404]

@@jacobd1984 I wasn't trying to say one is better than the other or they're both the same. I just meant there were similarities. Also I don't think Lana is the only thing that made Regina irredeemable. Regina was always a broken character who never felt real love because she had a horrible mother and a while loving but also for lack of a better term whimpy father who never stood up for her and the only person who truly believed in her was killed. I always felt that people who only see Regina for her evil actions don't understand the messed up upbringing she had. Yes Regina did horrible vile things as the Evil Queen and I'm not trying to downplay it but as much as I don't condone her actions, I also understand and relate to her. I feel like anyone who was put in the same position as she was put in could potentially go down a similar dark path.

[@maem7462]

I love seeing more morally gray characters and that’s what Wanda is. I can understand if ppl don’t love it. That is their preference. I think having a morally gray character that could possibly be a villain at some point or was one makes for a very interesting character and story. The story can be complex like with Wandavision. Wanda wasn’t really the hero or the villain she was morally gray. Most stories have ppl be one of the other but when they’re morally gray things become more interesting. Most the time ppl are usually more morally gray and it can be more relatable

[@dilayyilmaz92]

I'm still so mad that people blamed Wanda for what happened in lagos when it was actually Steve's fault for getting so easily distacted! Who knows how many more casualties there could have been if she hadn't done anything!! I love Steve but damn he really let everybody blame Wanda without saying anything ugh Edit: people in the replies are getting heated. Just to clarify, I’m not saying Steve is the reason people died, I’m saying he didn’t take enough accountability for what happened. He said it himself that if he didn’t get distracted by rumlov dropping Bucky’s name he could have spotted the bomb strapped around him. You guys need to stop acting like he didn’t do anything wrong because he doesn’t think that either. Also I habe to add all of the other avengers except Steve and Vision are also really bad for not caring about how Wanda is feeling after accidentally destroying a building filled with people which may have added to her already huge pile of trauma

[@frankscrank99]

He did and you can kind of see it when Tony goes ape over them and brings down the hammer at the meeting. Steve sees how its affecting her (finally) and tells Tony to stop. A little late there Cap!

[@PatheticApathetic]

Steve’s being distracted didn’t have anything to do with Wanda’s throwing an exploding guy into a building instead of, you know, literally any other direction

[@Annie_Annie__]

Seriously. I can understand Wanda blaming herself because, well, anyone with a heart would, but it seems like some of that guilt maybe should have spread around. I also think Wanda’s actions in that scene were weirdly relatable. Who hasn’t had to make a decision with no time to think, and made the wrong decision. It’s just that when most of us do it, it doesn’t cost anyone their lives (let alone hundreds of people). Panic, hindsight, and survivors guilt are all bitches.

[@MetalCharlo]

That entire scene was to make the point that the Avengers are dangerous. Steve isn't perfect, just like the rest of them. It was to show a legit reason to have the Sokovia Accords become a big player in the movie.

[@vadalia3860]

It was neither Steve nor Wanda's fault. Steve spelled it out in the movie itself- it's impossible to save everyone every time. Far less still died than would have if they hadn't stopped Crossbones from stealing the virus he was originally targeting or if Wanda hadn't gotten his exploding bomb away from the crowed marketplace.

[@hiraku741]

WandaVision definitely has become a very decisive show when it shouldn’t be. Thanks for creating a open-minded review, it’s a breath of fresh air.

[@alexdawson4571]

Right? God, people (these days) are either stupid or filled with malice for no reason. Let people have their stupid opinions and you can have your own stupid opinions. But I guess that would be asking for too much from internet personalities (over) criticizing something. Not saying Amanda's doing that, I'm just saying I've seen a lot of people do it on this platform.

[@vickylopez3635]

"And at this point of the show I'm destroyed and I love it" I really feel that bro😂

[@dweeebles]

The last time I’ve been this early, I was watching WandaVision at 2am only to witness the reveal of Ralph Bohner.

[@andrethebreadsecretary3484]

I never subscribed to Disney Plus but with how many people covered the series, I practically already watched it.

[@auldthymer]

Me too! I was drawn in by the camp: give me era-specific TV intros and I'm yours. Then, this weekend, I was a sobbing mess.

[@amandasmith1236]

This is the show that made me finally try Disney Plus.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I really hope the Westview residents get therapy. They didn't just get dragged into Wanda's hex, they had to deal with Agatha (who's fine with letting them rot) and Haywood (who's okay with letting them die). Seriously, get them therapy. And a hug. A hot chocolate and a blanket. And an all expenses paid vacation.

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

Let's hope the Green Goblin's rampage didn't include offscreen killing EVERY DENIZEN OF WESTVIEW JUST CAUSE IT'S FUN. At least considering that here Norman was even more vicious and insane than in his universe

[@Xiliaace]

I'm romani and I love wanda as a character. Overall I'm very happy with what the show did. What I really wish they did was incorporate the original artist's notes behind her iconic red costume for why she wore it for the Halloween episode.

[@b00j]

White Vision: “I will destroy the Vision” Wanda Vision: “uno reverse” White Vision: 👁👄👁

[@tatertot1052]

This felt honest and you can tell everybody working on it loved the project And this is the most character development we've gotten in an MCU entry which is nice

[@thegooddinggleberry]

Agnes's charisma stats were off the chart. I never seen a person play 60 years character so well. This character killed a dog and I'm still in love. I don't care that she taught Wanda the spell that defeated her, come on, it Disney, they're simple. She was delightful, I miss villains that make it personal.

[@tri3183]

Wanda can't catch a break, the most tragic Avenger.

[@NJGuy1973]

What is a meme, if not a joke overplayed?

[@GoofyGE3K]

In terms of Ralph, what a lot of people seem to miss is that he's Ralph and an actor in Wanda's world. In our world he could be the witness protection guy

[@andie.3632]

Who's the witness protection guy? i cant remember anyone like that in the show

[@GoofyGE3K]

@@andie.3632 that's why Jimmy was there in the first place-they lost contact with someone in witness protection, and he was investigating. Someone who isnt who they're supposed to be? Makes sense the hex made them an actor. Seemingly the only one in Wanda's Westview

[@andie.3632]

@@GoofyGE3K Ohhh, that guy! Thank you for reminding me.

[@langleymneely]

I cant understand or condone the idea that Wanda was or is a “VILLAIN”. Based on her actions and lack of intent Wanda meets the classic definition of an “ANTAGONIST” not a “VILLAIN”. I personally could not believe how much I relate to Wandas plight. In the last 6 years I lost all 4 members of my family. Wandas line about drowning in grief and never quite getting to recover fully before it hits you again left me cathartically sobbing uncontrollably because it encapsulates everything I have been feeling and dealing with for 6+ years.🥺💔

[@oceane.r]

I am sorry for your losses.

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

Is it wrong for me to say that Wanda might be not a Villain or Antagonist but a Loser? Because all that power that can either destroy or save the multiverse and yet since everything falls apart around her she is still doomed to suffer over and over

[@buzzcutseason142]

shes very much done villanous feats, but shes still not as much of a villain as other people. even hayward is a villain. its just easier to say hes not and its only wanda because hes just a useless weak human being who literally failed at everything he tried to do (lol) while wanda, villain or not, is always going to be dangerous. hayward may not have hurt anyone, but thats because he can’t (cos he’s a useless dick). and he clearly was manipulative and literally tried to kill billy and tommy. wanda was the one who actually hurt people, but hayward was the one who had villanous intentions, ands its clear if he had wanda’s powers he probably would’ve taken over the world lol. agatha literally murdered her entire coven and strangled kids. and she also waited 9 episodes of human enslavement before stepping in and yet people argue she’s some kind of hero and not a power hungry bitch who still probably would’ve controlled westview, if not the entire world after she got wanda’s powers. wanda had human reasons and human goals. the thing about her’s she’s very family oriented. she doesn’t have a strong moral code that puts her in just one side. when she was introduced as a villain in age of ultron, she was only a villain because she wanted revenge on stark for killing her family. and its the same with this. the whole reason she created the hex was also for her family. in comparison to actual villains who had actual villanous intentions, she definitely didn’t try to eliminate half the world because of some sick philosophy or try and take over it and commit mass murder like loki did just out of just pure greed. she created westview unintentionally but she did in fact go along with it, clouded by her grief, but the moment she realizes the extent of what she’s doing and her selfishness and the fact that she wasn’t actually just simply enslaving westview, she was actually mentally torturing them - she immediately let them go. people complain about how she didn’t face any consequences. of course she won’t. cos she wasn’t an actual villain with villanous intent and agendas. she’s literally on the run for the second time in her life. she literally walked a walk of shame by the end of the finale. she literally lost her two kids (who were made DURING westview) as well as vision for the THIRD time. she’s going to be redeemed, but she’s not going to be put in jail or shit for fuck’s sake lmao. people keep acting like she’s dead and as if her story’s over now, when the point of wandavision was focusing on her grief. why would they cram her years worth of character story in one project lol. she’ll eventually have a redemption arc so people need to stop fucking worrying.

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

@@buzzcutseason142 Nice words bro but I'm afraid she is gonna be an even worse loser than Parker. Pleaseeeeeeee Raimi don't kill her

[@Siansonea]

"Ralph Bohner" is the HEX identity of whoever Evan Peters' character actually is. Who he actually is remains to be seen, if the writers choose to pursue it. He might not have even been real in the first place, he might be a Hex entity in the same way that Billy and Tommy were.

[@alexe2980]

Love the shirt change when you were talking about mutants lol

[@ceilinh6004]

Same. LOL

[@StPrANk]

The best parts of the show for me was when it suddenly turned into a creepypasta. Seeing the Dead Vision “vision” was so unsettling.

[@addieh6878]

Guys I think I'm in love with elizabeth olsen

[@dr.little7311]

What is being a Marvel fan, if not simping for Wanda Maximoff.

[@ariellelyons]

ok so i haven’t been on social media in a few weeks and PEOPLE MEMED THE LINE THAT BROKE ME???? i took it dead serious and sobbed when he said that

[@syrisa]

I really loved Wandavision. It answers some questions about her past. I enjoyed that in a way it showed Wanda's grief and her moving pass it. Favorite thing in Wandavision was how basically everyone was uncomfortable with Fietro.

[@sandwhichism]

Amanda the Jedi always bringing us quality content. Never fail us, Jedi.

[@BrianofKrypton]

My current conspiracy theory- Agatha isn't necessary a bad guy. I think she was trying to prevent whatever danger the Scarlet Witch legend foretold.

[@awandererfromys1680]

10:20 I feel the line fitted Vision's mannerism of speech perfectly. Eloquent, thoughtful, a bit snobby. Of course he sounds like a walking novel, that has always been his thing. His lines are intentionally hammy, he's a friggin' A.I. The British accent just tops it all off.

[@idawantu838]

I love so much that dick guy spent the whole time going "vision is a weapon" and then his plan doesn't work because.... Vision isn't a weapon. Also basically everything else except for not seeing that guy get more comeuppance. Sure he got caught but i was really hoping he'd at least get tased.

[@EmeraldRich]

I love how Amanda keeps changing jerseys.

[@rmathewes]

The grief line makes a bigger impact when you have lost someone close. I lost my dad just before Christmas. It gave me the feels, big time.

[@RLanceHunter]

The grief line wouldn't have been such a meme if it weren't for that one tweet saying that every screenwriter was whispering a referent "fuck" under their breath. A tweet that was so perfectly calculated to troll the wanna-be screenwriters on twitter, it was like when an outsider artist comes out of nowhere and creates a true masterpiece.

[@suedenim]

Then add to that how a large percentage of the extremely online despise sincerity more than anything.

[@mixxuie]

@@suedenim MCU fans in particular- the films undercut nearly all emotion with a joke and often the greatest emotional beat is “cool!” Gotten better as of late but the conditioning is there... I for one would much rather buy into whatever a writer is laying down sincerely; it’s much more enjoyable for me personally to feel something than laugh at something! I hope Marvel stays on this trajectory ^.^

[@jhopethebutterfly9601]

tbh i jus feel like people had way too many high expectations and theories. the show is supposed to mainly be about WANDA n vision, not always leading to what comes next if that made senses. But i love and miss the show :(

[@vastava]

"I know that fact might shock you" she says, with a giant Spiderman poster behind her.

[@naydine4339]

Wow how am I just seeing this now?!?!? Lol after seeing doctor strange 2 but really this show broke me. I'm a mother and the finale killed me. My husband had to pause the show and hold me as I cried uncontrollably. She has lost everything and everyone constantly. Now that I've seen ds2 I'm even more heartbroken Wanda just won't get to have happiness 💔

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

And sometimes death is the real happiness. Sometimes I think Wanda found peace in death and somewhat spat over the Hulk for bringing her to life

[@cleokaiba9597]

I BAWLED at the end when she let everyone go. I just could not handle it. I adore Scarlet Witch and I didn't know anything about her going in. It was incredible!!!

[@nimphaelis]

This show deals with depression, has a number of strong female (lead) characters, character development, etc... I loved it. I also really need the x-men to become part of the mcu, because I need some good storylines and stuff for gambit and nightcrawler

[@Melissdan]

Amanda: Captain dumb dumb gets distracted by someone mentioning his one true love. YES! Amanda speaking facts! I knew I liked you for a reason!

[@EatinPaste]

I just want my Aaron Taylor-Johnson Quicksilver damn it!!!

[@hawkins347]

Same. Evan Peters is cool and all, but Aaron deserves another shot at the character.

[@bouncingbone]

If he gets another shot, i hope he can dodge the bullet unlike what happened in AoU.

[@CamRob_56]

One thing that didn’t make sense to me was Evil Boss man shooting the kids/Monica. He must have known the kids weren’t real so why did he shoot at them and continue to shoot once Monica jumped in to save them. My first thought was that maybe he wanted Wiccan to release his men from the mind control that he had on them that was keeping them frozen. If that was true I feel like a line was needed to explain that because otherwise he just seems like unnecessarily evil and crazy. I know the scene was to show of Monica’s new powers, but like I think a line of him saying, “Release my men or I’ll shoot.” would have made that scene make more sense. Also like not even a scene about where New Vision went?

[@AudoPlay]

The kids are real, they just can't live without the hex. Besides that, Hayward hates super-powered individuals and believes they shouldn't exist.

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

@@AudoPlay Zemo too but he possibly would rather give them a warrior's death

[@novaspacewitch9963]

I think the best way to look at Pietro is that he was the only person they could have cast that would make the audience feel the same confusion as Wanda. If they picked some random other person no one would've thought it was real, and if they used the MCU Quicksilver it would've felt too much like reviving Vision

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

As an introvert, that Vision moment is my favorite scene, lol

[@MystearicaClaws]

As someone who is grieving I was able to mostly focus on the gimmic to distract from how painful it is. I basically walked with Wanda the whole way, and when everything fell apart in the end I bawled. This show is everything. It is such an amazing expression of loss and grief.

[@ConniJo]

Can I just say, that I am so thankful to WandaVision for fleshing out Darcy? She is one of my favourite character, no powers, not a shit load of money, she just rolls with the punches and sasses everyone around her while doing it 😁

[@thesamuraiman]

Ship of Theseus scene was great.

[@thesamuraiman]

@Someone 333 This was the perfect time though. Cause Vision is a logical machine. What better way to stop him then tell him that he's his own target? 😂

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Yes she's suffering. Yes this is STILL unresolved. BUT there are some things to REMEMBER when discussing Wanda Maximoff. She has a HISTORY of exploding her powers when she's under grief-when her brother died, and now here. She KNEW at some point, what she was DOING to the townspeople, and DID. NOT. CARE. Meanwhile, Hex Vision, cared FOR the townspeople when he knew something was up. When he brought it up to Wanda, she THREATENED HIM. They were about to come to BLOWS when Fakietro came in. When Monica TRIED TO TALK with Wanda about Vision Wanda's own words were "don't you talk about that I don't want to hear about it." prolonging this situation even further. At the end of the series, she is literally reading a book about Chaos Magic and Dark Magic. They are setting her up to be the villain. You can SYMPATHIZE with her, as we did Joker in _The Joker_ or Thanos in _Infinity War_ or Vulture in _Spider-Man Homecoming_ or Killmonger in _Black Panther._ But you MUST remember that SHE HAS DONE WRONG. She is NOT guiltless in this situation. She DESERVES a reckoning for what happened in Westview, and Monica saying "they'll never know what you sacrificed." is absolute BULL because that is there to try and wipe Wanda clean of guilt. Wanda has a HISTORY of fight first talk later-when Tony tried to talk to her during the Airport Battle Scene, she didn't want to hear it. Yes he "locked her in her room" and after a history of being "locked up" even though she VOLUNTEERED for Hydra I can understand where she's coming from. But again, she just WENT for Tony, with no remorse. She even SCOLDED Hawkeye saying "you were pulling your punches." Once Wanda's decided something, that's it. Her way, or the highway. If Doctor Strange came in to try and talk to Wanda, I bet they would've had a fight. Since she's in Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, I'm betting THEY WILL fight. She will be told something, she won't react well, and go for the first thing she knows-FIGHT. I hope they have her LEARN that she can't just leap into things. I like her character I really do-she's infinitely fascinating, but I hope to God they just don't turn her into like a woman scorned type of thing. Like if she comes to blows with Strange over her children or something that I can understand. But people need to remember that Wanda has a bad history with her-she isn't just some poor sad woman. She's a fighter and WILL pull some shit if need be. I hope they have her keep being extremely complex in the future.

[@daniel_gallardo808]

I absolutely agree! I found it pretty hard to be 100% on Wanda's side knowing that she willingly controlled the townspeople against their will. Her whole "Stay out of my home" had me face-palming. The whole town isn't her home to do with as she pleases. And yeah the BS trying to justify it in the end didn't work for me. Still I enjoyed to show overall.

[@NJGuy1973]

"The villain is the person who knows the most but cares the least." - Chuck Klosterman

[@renezuo8160]

It is entirely possible that a degree of her reaction to the people is due to the Vision being the manifestation of her love. It's possible that subconsciously he was doing exactly what he was meant to do, being what he was meant to be: a moral check on her power. Its also entirely possible that while manifested as another being, that aspect of her becomes "unavailable" to her or at least more difficult to access. I'm not contesting any of your points, of course. I'm just saying that with how dense the psychology of this is, there's a lot of room here to work with and a few different directions they could go. I do hope, very much, that she gets checked a bit by Doctor Strange. She might be studying the Darkhold but he's had a bit more time to examine a host of various other tomes of knowledge to leverage against her power if she flies off the handle.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

@@renezuo8160 I can actually see that happening and see that explored more in Multiverse of Madness and if that's the case, that would make her EVEN MORE of a morally gray character which would be AMAZING. Marvel needs more morally gray characters or antiheroes. The only one I can think of is of course Ghost Rider (who by the by was the last person to have the Darkhold in Agents of Shield dunno if that's canon to the MCU anymore tho), and Thanos to an extent, Vulture to an extent was kinda morally gray, but we needs ACTUAL HEROES being morally gray. Like we need to see Parker do some things that are questionable not just "oh he's a teenager so he'll be stupid like trust and adult." in Far From Home. If Wanda becomes truly morally gray that would actually be amazing. And I also hope she's checked by Strange. It is said that she's stronger, but he knows more, and indeed has more experience not just with magic, but hand to hand combat. He's also INCREDIBLY smart with how he uses his spells so he'll use his wits to win that fight for sure.

[@Carabas72]

@@TheRibottoStudios Does Strange really have more experience? Because it seem to me like Wanda has been doing the superhero thing a fair bit longer than Strange has. And hand-to-hand combat? Didn't help "I can beat up the Hulk and break Cap's shield" Thanos one bit. We just saw Wanda deal with someone who had literally centuries more magical experience than her.

[@AhngieCho]

Agnes did mention that the infinity stone amplified something that otherwise would not have manifested. Maybe that means that she really had the X gene.

[@sarahb2628]

For the Ralph/Peter conspiracy theories, lets not forget that Woo came to Westview because his witness in the witness protection program had gone missing. We were never told who that witness was or what they witnessed.

[@immortallord-ot5sn]

My biggest thing was that Monica and kinda the show was like yeah wanda did a bad thing but everyone would so no punishment

[@i_violetexpress_i]

for anyone who’s debating on if wanda is the villain, you didn’t watch the show properly lmaoo. the whole point was to show there is good in bad things and bad in good things. there’s no black and white in life, there’s a lotta grey area. wanda is viewed as a villain by the govt and herself, but the real ones know what she’s gone through and who she really is.

[@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722]

Abridged Vegeta believes that grey is bs. You're either perfect or you're not him. Sooo he firmly says no tu your thoughts big time

[@msthalamus2172]

My wife had already seen the series, but she suggested we watch it together anyway. I said, "Okay, as long as it isn't sad. I can't handle anything sad right now." She told me it wasn't, so I watched it with her. IDK, she often half-watches things, playing games on her phone, so I don't think she meant to mislead me, but my god, if this doesn't make her sad, what does it take?

[@ravenflyerdoesstuff6666]

I loved this series and in defense of Wanda the whole Westview experiment was like a week long. Like that’s a long time and stuff but the people weren’t under that level of control for a super long time which makes the whole seem less bad at least to me.

[@MrGoblin1000]

The guy in charge of Sword had perfectly good reasons for thinking Wanda needed to be killed in order to protect the town and everyone nearby. I'm not saying he was right, but turning him cartoonishly evil when he has a perfectly good and sound argument for the decisions he made was a bad choice. After all the shit the world had been through, it is perfectly understandable for someone to think drastic measure must be taken for drastic situations.

[@dragonetafireball]

I think Ralph isn’t Ralph only because we never got answers about who the missing witness protection case was. Not saying he’s Peter I’m just not sure he’s Ralph.

[@kaylajaned6764]

I saw someone mention that they wished the outside world reveal would have been held off until the episode where vision tries to escape the barrier, and I can’t stop thinking about that

[@teresarivasugaz2313]

Alex Myers said that

[@giraffe1219]

As someone who lost someone extremely significant that I actually hold a lot of contempt for, the line “what is grief but love persisting” is something that alienates me and my experience of grief, but I could appreciate the sentiment and it didn’t upset me at all.