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[@GlitterHeather]

I was really disappointed by the way we go from where Wanda was at the end of Wandavision, to her being totally corrupted in this movie. It just felt really jarring that she'd totally forgotten what she learned, and became just like Agatha.

[@akshayaidk78]

exactlyyy it felt 2d as fuck and cheapened her almost

[@Bluey306]

it's like we needed something in between that showed Wanda getting corrupted by the Darkhold. then it'd make some sense, at least, because we took the time to see the corruption taking hold. and not just HEY GUYS SO THIS HAPPENED WHILE YOU WERE AWAY.

[@akshayaidk78]

@@Bluey306 exactlyyyy, the whole script was just- I don't even get why they would name the committee illuminati and the whole Peggy and cap marvel being the last people standing was like- cap Carter is the least powerful how'd she make it bro? I was severely disappointed, the ending Wanda suddenly realised her wrongs? Like she seemed deranged and everything ending very cookie-cutter didn't sit right with me. It should've made mer more crazy like "i have done so much for you ungrateful brats and how dare you" and then if the penny drops it would've been insane. The pay off would've been nice

[@jojo-he5gj]

she was already corrupted by the dark hold at the end of Wandavision. We see that in the post credit scene. For me it wasn’t jarring 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@losiloso8178]

She is nothing like Agatha tho, she was being corrupted at the end of the Wandavision and imagine dreaming other life with your kids every night. HOW can you heal from that? Those dreams alone are very haunting. And its not like blurry dream, she was actually experiencing it.

[@911nmg]

This story should have been "The scarlet witch and the multiverse of madness". Wanda was the center of this story, de can have Doctor Strange as an avenger trying to stop her, even his small character arc, and have a postcredit scene that leads us to a real Doctor Strange 2, about corruption of the multiverse of whatever

[@Bluey306]

ngl, i like the kookiness of "Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness." because of Dr Strange's name. also it's _in the_ Multiverse etc, not _and the_ for him, so it totally tracks: he's getting thrown around multiverses and trying figure out his way around it - and madness ensues (Wanda only dreamwalks into one universe) - so i don't hate the fact that the title is Dr Strange's? the title fits the story? it's not that huge of a dissonance. now if Dr Strange really was just on the sidelines (with no arc or anything, in the same vein as Wong's role), then it'd be weird that the movie title is his.

[@xxx_rotfd_xiii_xii3619]

Rename the last two avengers to Thanos: Infinity war and Endgame then while you’re at it.

[@hephsforge9236]

I mean, there was no reason to have Wanda be the villain in this film basically to realize “it’s wrong to take advantage of people” all over again. She should have filled America’s role and needed Strange’s help because X group(multiversal illuminati?) is after her believing she broke the multiverse while digging into whether or not her sons are real. Big twist is that it actually was Strange that caused it all in NWH and not her. The big final conflict builds off that. The v obvious reason Vision wasn’t in the film(ignoring any irl stuff) is that his character wouldn’t work and would stop Wanda right away, again, cause she’s literally doing the same thing she tried already just in a different way.

[@sammiller6631]

@@hephsforge9236 No, there was much reason to have Wanda be the villain in this film. It's refreshing to see people realistically struggling with grief. Not everything is resolved in neat episodic packages. Your ideas sound like the expected formula and it added tension when the movie broke away from that.

[@hephsforge9236]

@@sammiller6631 that’s formulaic in itself. The “Villain who tries the same thing over and over again never learning their lesson” is about the most cliche thing you can do with a villain. When done well, yes, it can work, clichés are cliché for a reason, however, because this film didn’t actually take much if any time to actually develop Wanda’s state or give her a solid arc, it really didn’t work well at all. If a character doesn’t grow, they are not a character, they are simply a tool for the plot to exist, an NPC if you will. She was a generic villain tbh. In my idea the arc I’d had her go under would be an exploration of how someone who has caused so much damage is affected by it once being faced with it, hence her being on the run, she never questions if she caused the damage, and neither does anyone else. I’m fairly certain that isn’t something explored by most if any films, meanwhile, Strange’s would explore the opposite, not ever considering yourself the one who causes destruction but having to come to terms with the fact you actually have.

[@thetruesora]

the "sinister strange" in this movie isn't the same as "strange supreme" who was in What If. but is implied to have gone through similar events (just that the darkhold was what he used rather than going through killing and absorbing every powerful being he could summon)

[@Infinite_voyager]

Thank you Sora!

[@TheRibottoStudios]

They really should've tied in what if more cause they really teased it would matter to the overall arc of MCU aaaaand not really. Not yet

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Also, that "Sinister Strange" lost Christine the same way main MCU Strange did, instead of Christine getting killed off/fridged like she did in What If.

[@Crow29803]

Thank you for saying that. I saw that too but when everyone was like, the What If Strange, all I could do was shrug and say, maybe. Glad others feel the way I do.

[@thetruesora]

@@Crow29803 the subtitles on the trailer specifically identify him as "sinister strange" to tell people that its a different one. not all dark stranges are the same lol they have a different look to them, plus if it was strange supreme from what if, that fight would have gone very differently

[@_jigjoy]

When MR fantastic said that he understood where Wanda was coming from bc he was also a parent and Wanda just asked if the mother of his children was still alive and he answered yes, I expected her to say something along the lines that "Then we are not the same", but instead she just went ahead and replied with a "good, then they won't be left alone 😊" before killing him. Dude Poetic cinema RIGHT THERE

[@katrinamitchell2748]

I was in my cinemas like ‘don’t answer that!! It’s a trap and she’ll kill you’ and then 2 seconds later I was like… welp 😂

[@InnerAtanih]

Poetic? Y’all are just as morally bankrupt as Wanda smh

[@nessyness5447]

@@InnerAtanih poetry can be dark and sinister too, considering the situation poetic doesn't mean agreeing with wanda's actions...

[@iamcool544]

uhh poetic isnt really the right word. Its a good "gotcha" one liner but a poetic moment would be showing parallels or reflections. There isnt a parallel with Wanda cause shes killing their parent not taking away Mr. Fantastics kids. A poetic moment would be her killing Mr. Fantastic's kids and seeing nothing wrong cause "her pain is greater".

[@spiritvanished]

@@InnerAtanih proudly 😍

[@lunarguardian5523]

You know what, I liked the movie. Not gonna lie. I didn't find it great, but I wasn't disappointed either. It is just a good movie which is fun to watch and worth the time unlike some of the more recent projects of mcu. Wanda was already my favorite character in the mcu and this movie just solidified that for me. She really carried the movie, Elizabeth Olsen's acting was phenomenal through the movie (only thing I'm bummed about wanda is the fact that she was introduced as a villain way too soon, maybe it could have more depth behind it if we learnt about her being the villain later on, it just kinda felt rushed this way)but other than that, she was great.

[@AlphaAceEX]

I think wandavision is a perfect set up for it imo

[@blaah9999]

Omg I’m glad someone else thought it was way too early.

[@nmg3282]

@L.M. I feel like that hour would have helped to fledge out the story a bit more. I feel like they cut most of the dialogue and just went to the pivotal points of the narrative 😂. I did like it though, just feel it needed a bit more character development, a bit more emotion.

[@lunarguardian5523]

@@blaah9999 I think that they could have made it like this. When strange came to ask for Wanda's help Wanda would agree to help but she would hide her true purpose and she would also hide that she was behind all of this, and then when the time came she would betray strange when he least expected it and then she would kidnap chavez and drain her power. This would be a lot more unpredictable and it would add a lot more depth to wanda's reveal as the villain.

[@tedejazmin1175]

@L.M. this is the perfect way to start a release the raimi cut hashtag or something

[@inazuma3gou]

The irony of "Strange always holding the knife" is that when he gave up the time stone to Thanos, Strange stepped aside and left the entire fate of the universe in the hands of Tony Stark and the mickey mouse. The tragedy is Strange was dusted for 5 years and Christine never got to see his transformation.

[@MissKashira]

That's so true. He put saving the entire universe in the hands of Tony Stark, but suddenly he doesn't know how to give up control? He's not even Sorcerer Supreme in his universe. They just needed an arc for him and this was the first thing that popped in their head.

[@mikemorro140]

@@MissKashira To be fair while he did leave it to Tony it was still going off of his plan

[@MissKashira]

@@mikemorro140 His plan involved putting his trust in a rat to save the universe. He let a rat hold the scalpel.

[@mikemorro140]

@@MissKashira But he also directly knew what would happen he wasn't leaving it up to chance, he looked through a ton of possibilities and found the one that fit his plan

[@MissKashira]

@@mikemorro140 The last decision he could possibly make is whether to give the stone to Thanos or not. After that, it was up to the rest of the world to make the future where they come back happen. I doubt out of all the futures he saw, the only difference was he handed over the stone. Which meant that he had to trust in the Avengers to figure out the time travel plan and implement it without his help. If he was the character MoM claimed him to be, he would have never given up the stone to begin with as everything after that was out of his control. He would have been like the other Dr. Strange that turned to dark magic to find a way to defeat their Thanos.

[@brandonmclendon5368]

This was a fun movie. There were problems especially with the writing and how they used America, but the performances, ideas, action scenes, the visual effects made this enjoyable, and it’s nice to see Sam Raimi direct a superhero movie again.

[@luis956476]

Ye same bro

[@Phoenix-zm8ij]

Wholey agree. America having almost no character felt weird when the movie was centered around her, sorta sidelined her.

[@MissBabyNe]

All three, Strange Wanda and America have very shallow arcs. This movie lacks a lot in the character development.

[@blueberrydenim4807]

@@Phoenix-zm8ij well, she had character, just not character development

[@pirateguy3521]

I haven’t watch it yet, but now I wanted to.

[@Anynom]

If nothing else, I salute Amanda's bravery for talking of John Krasinski not able to pull off being Mr. Fantastic. I won't say if I agree or disagree but bold to go against years of fan dreams like that and I applaud her not backing down from her opinion which is why I love these vids.

[@MiraBoo]

A number of reviews, at least that I’ve heard, seem to share her opinion. Personally, I don’t know the character well enough to judge if his portrayal was adequate/faithful or not, but I understand and appreciate both the excitement and the disappointment the fan-casting has received.

[@kronos1794]

From what I saw he was spot on. Reed is absent minded and feels detached because he's constantly thinking of something else he'd rather be doing. Him stating the obvious is on brand, he assumes people in the room aren't keeping up with him and restates the obvious to keep everyone in the loop.

[@dubbingsync]

It seemed rather phoned in as a performance.

[@ghostguru9156]

I was someone who was really excited to see him as Mr. Fantastic but like…the performance fell flat. I’m wondering if he would be better if he had more screen time but his delivery kinda just felt like his role in A Quiet Place. A dad with permanently furrowed eyebrows and concern in his eyes.

[@ladygaygay94]

The garden scene alone had me on the edge of my seat. To see Wanda clearly evil and unhinged not even 20min in was genius but then we get THE ILLUMINATI SCENE. Sure, I understand people’s issue with who’s on the counsel but that face off between them and Wanda was everything I could want and more. “What mouth?” “At least your kids will have someone to raise them.” “Oh, I can do this all day.”

[@darrengordon-hill]

You're a very small and bitter person.

[@Zorae42]

I know she was "corrupted by the darkhold" and everything, but a lot of things were just... Really dumb? Like, so what if her kids got sick? She's the god damn scarlet witch! If she can make a dude's mouth disappear and turn a guy into spaghetti, I'm pretty sure she can just... Make her kids not sick. Also, why not jut let her find a multiverse where her kids are alive but she isn't? If this is the infinite multi-verse, then it exists out there somewhere.

[@dowfreak7]

The whole movie is riddled with stupid ideas, bad assumptions and unexplained magic. It felt rushed, tropey and filled with new-age bullshit just there for quota. I'm not gonna pretend like it's easy to implement multiverses AND TWO magicians that are just as powerful as they need to be for the story they star in, but this wasn't it. Wanda was an irredeemable bad guy with a terrible motivation, the "key to everything" girl was not even a character and Wanda's/Strange's powers range from godlike to worthless. Nothing makes any sense and we're just supposed to cheer at the end because "yay, she star punchies".

[@claritycontrol1530]

Elizabeth Olsen and Benedict Cumberbatch absolutely killed it tbh. Even as the blatant bad guy, my heart was breaking for Wanda. Elizabeth's performance was amazing, and I can't wait to see more of her.

[@VslayerMK]

I wish they would not have introduced America in this movie and instead focused on the Strange/Wanda dynamic way more, maybe alluded to America in a end credit scene instead. Honestly, it should just have been a Scarlet Witch movie with Strange in it. There's so much they could have done but ultimately I still really enjoyed it and really loved Wanda's arc.

[@daesgatling1345]

I mean, Anerica was the whole reason for the plot but go off

[@Nyx_Oskurita]

Agreed. Hate that she was used as just plot device. Plus this America was nothing like her comic book counter part. Butchered in my opinion.

[@sammiller6631]

@@Nyx_Oskurita The MCU versions aren't going to be like comics. Everyone should know that by now.

[@llama4president195]

Agreed. America felt less like her own character and more of a Macguffin to move the plot along

[@ShanyShannon]

@@Nyx_Oskurita Yesh they changed her completely...especially her appearance and cultural background.

[@chloewilliams5071]

Just a note, Sinister Strange was not the same Strange as was in What If. That was Strange Supreme. Definite similarities, but Benedict himself verified they were different.

[@asparagus2578]

And yet they wanted supreme strange in the MoM like dude yes we wanted to but that’s not the strange that the movie supposed to be in, they are different.

[@solstice2149]

I totally agree they should've made this Wandas movie with Doctor Strange as her antagonistic, this definitely was a missed opportunity to launch the XMEN-MCU. America was also just boring, yeah she was necessary but had no personality which is a shame. Also I really want to see a Wanda healing arc 😭

[@nmg3282]

I kinda feel like this about quite a few newly introduced characters. Kate Bishop was sort of okeish, but so far most newcomers are underwhelming.

[@derp_dragons]

I want to see a Wanda happy arc. =/

[@solstice2149]

@@nmg3282 the one I liked the most was yelena tbh but that's probably cause she had a more interesting stories than the others

[@nmg3282]

@@solstice2149 yeah, she was good, agreed. I think the issue I’m having is how they’re being introduced. It feels a tad forced. Just for comparison when Pietro and Wanda entered the universe, it felt kind of more organic. Maybe only I felt this way. I’m using this comparison as they were relatively late entering the Avengers. I think it’s the stories and the narrative somehow it doesn’t call for the young Avengers. Their characters could be anyone and the film/series would not suffer. This is the issue I’m having with the new characters. Right now they are created to fit into a bigger story rather than telling their own stories. Moon knight had the potential to be really good, but the overall story just felt a bit nah, I didn’t learn much nor would I feel like I would miss this characters, but Oscar Isaac did a hell of a job carrying that whole series. And circling back to Young Avengers, it feels like the way they’re written is akin to young teenager’s Avengers fan club. They have no personality other than that. At least so far. It’s a shame as I think the actors have great potential to do more. Yet again, right now Marvel is experimenting to see what would work. So maybe there will be some fixes along the way. So far what really worked has been ‘What If’ series for me. I liked ‘The Flacon and Winter Soldier’ and really enjoyed ‘WandaVision’, ‘Loki’ I found good, but much like with Dr Strange I felt like it needed something extra to tie it all up a bit better.

[@gautamvaze1101]

She just seemed too weak. she's been to 70 multiverses but she still seems completely helpless. she had that one cool scene and nothing more.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Really think we should take a look at renaming this Scarlet Witch and the Everyone Gets Fucked... SOMEONE TOLD ME SUPREME STRANGE WAS SINISTER STRANGE YEARS LATER but he's not, editing that part out

[@Gamelover254]

Wait…that’s not it’s name?

[@Sunnycrackers528]

That sounds accurate 🤣

[@anedgedancer5147]

I tell my friends the movie is call Scarlet Witch and the Multiverse of Madness lol

[@jgreen2015]

Great title! 😂 I have to say, with regards to the actual title you went for, I would say it was pretty far from perfect Felt massively rushed throughout. Hitting the floor running and having a mad ride from plot point to plot point can be great (eg infinity war for an obvious example) but in this case it v much felt like too much was cut Too many high concept ideas with little to know set-up. It felt very 'deus ex machina'. Oh.. you've destroyed the book with the spell? Nevermind there's this random temple that no one's ever mentioned that has it carved in the walls. Lots of little insignificant bumps in the road. Oh no I've been caught by the Illuminati! Oh wait..i'm free now America Chavez's acting was a bit.. amateur at times. Eg when she looks into that memory screen thing and Strange says/asks something about her mother's and she looks down and away. Felt very..Nickleodian level acting. Her powers are used inconsistently. She inadvertently opens portals when she's scared. Yet when Wanda is Chasing them she gets a massively jump scare and screams...but no portal Illuminati was wasted. Didn't get enough to care when they died. Didn't really get to see any exciting use of their powers. Most of what we got were exposition and flashbacks. Something phase 4 is doing far too much of! Wanda was kinda rushed and kinda wasted. At the end of wandavision she realised the error of her way. Evil Wanda should really have been the 'civil war' of this new saga. The 'its all lost' moment that comes at the end of act 2 of story. Strange should've had to win over the Illuminati a trust. They should've been in the film until the final fight. Get to spend time with them. They could've taken his warning seriously yet kept him handcuffed and gone on a mission together with him winning their trust. Then when Wanda snatches America they couldv been the ones fighting her, preventing her from killing America by taking her power. That would fix how and why Wanda hasn't taken her power in the all the time it takes Strange to: Get out of the 'inbetween' multiverse Find his evil version in the universe Talk to him Fight him Sleep-walk his zombie self Fight some demons Sleep-walk his zombie self to Wanda's temple Then when she kills the Illuminati we would actually care havin spent acts 2 and 3 with them The switch in Wanda was too rushed. Good idea. But should've been an epic Wanda v Wanda and change should've come as she's about to kill their real mum. America Chaz's sudden control her power because Strange tells her he believes her was too much too.

[@filmfangirls9163]

Noooo. It's his film. I'm calling it Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Scene Hogs 🤣

[@jacobd1984]

I did enjoy the movie, but like a few Marvel projects lately, it felt like it was good when it could have been great. My biggest issues with MoM: 1, America Chavez didn’t really come through strongly as a character; by the end I still didn’t feel like I knew who she was. 2, the subplot with Christine was asking me to care about her’s and Stephen’s relationship more than this movie or the previous movie justified IMO (there’s What If, but that was a different Dr. Strange). 3, Wanda’s corruption by the Darkhold made sense on paper, but I would have preferred to see it play out at least a little, rather than do a time skip from the end of WandaVision, and it’s already happened. All the pieces were there to make it work organically (she’s alone, with all the time to mull over the sacrifice she had to make to do the right thing, and her many losses, with an evil book pushing her back to her worse tendencies and even beyond to new extremes). But for all that to happen offscreen is a little disappointing.

[@lorinctoth9402]

It would also really work, if we think, that her kids are in danger. In the end of WV, we heard them crying for help, so that would have worked so much better, to open with something to show she still thinks they need her help. And then we slowly start to realize the kids she is trying to go to doesn't exist, as it was just a trick from the Dark Hold, to make her the ruler/destroyer of the Multiverse. But when she lerns this, she is pushing forward, to reunite with her kids from a different multiverse. We could still have her as the big bad, she is, but this is way more compelling and believable.

[@ThePoisonLotus]

I was so happy that people are finally getting to see how absurdly powerful Wanda truly is. This was the first time in the MCU where they truly started showing her off, and as a gigantic Scarlet Witch stan, I loved it! Elizabeth Olsen HARD-carried this movie, this was Scarlet Witch in the Multiverse of Madness for me. Only thing I really didn’t like was the ending, but I understand that, when the villain is so overwhelmingly strong, most outcomes that result in the villain losing are gonna have to be real dumb… Also, fun note: when Wanda crawled out of that gong in the Kamar-Taj, she looked almost identical to how Sadako crawls out of the TV in the finale of Ringu!

[@DustinFarronVT]

I absolutely love that they are showing off that Wanda as the Scarlet witch was the most powerful and if she had learned the full potential of her power before the infinity war she could have bent Thanos out of their reality.

[@ThePoisonLotus]

@@DustinFarronVT FULLY. I love those “superman vs wanda who wins” MY BROTHER IN CHRIST SHE CAN LITERALLY SPEAK HIM OUT OF EXISTENCE

[@ThePoisonLotus]

@@katarinateslar ....do people not understand that Wanda was NOT okay, and HAS NOT BEEN okay for a while now? She was literally making a decoy of herself walk around all depresso-pop-like while she studied the Darkhold, whoever didn't ge the hint that miss thing was unwell has some text interpretation studying to do IMO

[@joyc.e.7511]

@@ThePoisonLotus Right? People compare physical abilities to psychic and magical abilities when that shit does not equate well.

[@YOUSAF12348]

I thought the ending was fitting since she is too strong, no one beats her, she essentially beats herself in the end I thought it was well done and still shows how powerful she is

[@Chikadulce10]

The Dr. Strange stuff in the last half particularly severely messed with the pacing for me. It took way too long to get back to Wanda and America, and that's why it felt weird when Wong made it up there and she hadn't really done anything yet. So much had happened and yet nothing at the same time?

[@mike_young]

I feel like this is one of the movies that’s somehow less than the sum of its parts. I loved a lot of the Sam Raimi visual elements and the Evil Dead-like chase sequence in the middle. I also loved the parallels of Wanda and Stephens character arcs. I thought they complemented each other well and seeing the outcome of either choice one could make when put in that position made it hit home a little bit more. The pieces were all there they just didn’t quite come together in the end. Still good but not great.

[@adrianaeady8646]

I feel like it would have done a lot better as a mini series so they could but more time to the parts that needed it and wouldn't feel so bogged up in a movie

[@Maxisamo1]

Yeah this was an example of "Beautiful Puzzle Pieces put together with duck tape"

[@WhiteRaven696]

My main issue with Wanda’s plan is… She has to usurp and/or kill another Wanda. Why not just go to a world where Billy and Tommy were orphaned?! No Wanda to be a casualty.

[@VictoriaTraducciones]

What makes you think that there is an univerve where they are orphans? As far as we know that might had been the only universe where the twins are real kids instead of Wanda's creations through magic

[@ILoveLuvia]

@@VictoriaTraducciones Because they say multiple times that the multiverse is infinite filled with infinite different choices and senerios it would be weird to claim that and then have them all be so similar.

[@bukolaalale8260]

Because she wanted the perfect life. The kids were in a stable home, not broken by grief like het

[@songbird6414]

Can someone explain to me how her kids are even existing? Unless every other Westview is still possessed, shouldn’t her kids be gone? Or are they actually real? In that case, who’s the father? Vision? Someone else?

[@TuningAnApple]

@@songbird6414 Seems they are real.

[@Phoenix-sb6hl]

Ultimately for me it was a disappointment, it didn't remotely hold up to the "multiverse of madness" title, with only a few worlds truly shown. I avoided most of the big trailers so I had a vague idea of the plot, yet maybe that led to my disappointment to the focus on Stephen instead of Wanda. It wasn't bad by any means, but the script definitely was just off and some of the acting just fell short. It's definitely enjoyable, but there's a lot left to be desired for me

[@sammiller6631]

It does live up to the multiverse of madness title.

[@RespectTheSourceMaterial]

@@sammiller6631 are you a bot? You're commenting to everyone that doesn't like this movie. What's wrong with you? Is marvel paying you? Let people have their own opinions weirdo.

[@lucasmartins4169]

Completely agree, it just didn't lived up for what it promised, I felt like a better movie wanted to come out while watching this and something was holding it back, which was probably the mouse.

[@stopchangingmyhandle]

This movie has kind of pushed me to be done with Marvel for a while. I didn't think it was great. I also don't think you should have to watch the TV series in order to be able to understand what's happening in the movies. It's too much. It also felt like this movie was a set up for other movies/shows instead of being a singular movie focusing on Strange. Why not just give Wandavision a second season or another movie? The focus seemed more on ending her story and setting up America while Strange was a secondary character. I thought the writing was also pretty terrible compared to it's counterparts. The horror elements would have been better if some of the choices made by characters who are freaking superheros, didn't feel like dumb B horror movie choices. Like you stopped running to see where she was?? That makes no sense.

[@lucasmartins4169]

@@stopchangingmyhandle worst than having required viewing is the fact that the movies/shows aren't a good pay off for all the time invested, the MCU is just not worth all this time and energy for mediocrity.

[@LilMissDiscord]

I think Lizzie Olsen in an interview mentioned that she thought or hoped she'd come back when the X-Men were more thoroughly brought into the MCU. I personally was really hoping for Loki to appear, I expected it, had heard rumors about it. Also having Wanda, Loki and Dr. Strange all together was my personal fan wish since they were all introduced. And in my own little fangirl brain I'd hoped Loki would be the one to get through to Wanda, having been lost, alone and corrupted in his own ways... maybe that would have been a stretch but still. Or a Wanda vs. Wanda fight, though it was really moving to have SAHM Wanda have the impact she did without a fight. And yes, more Xavier!

[@luigiboyinblu]

For a movie called “Multiverse of Madness” it was pretty underwhelming that they stuck with just two universes and the TRUE Multiverse of Madness was a trippy and amazing minute and a half sequence

[@sammiller6631]

Did you want multiverse of madness to be FOUR HOURS long just to get more verses?

[@luigiboyinblu]

@@sammiller6631 Never said that, just cut some time from the two they showed and make something similar to the first sequence except they actually get to stay and interact with each universe at least for a bit. You can get really creative since possibilities are almost endless, that’s the appeal of the multiverse.

[@sammiller6631]

@@luigiboyinblu If you want loads of multiverses, you should watch _Everything Everywhere All at Once_ because it's packed with multiverses, from people with meter-long fingers, talking animals, rocks having debates and Chekhov's Buttplug.

[@dimensionzone8048]

@@luigiboyinblu Actually they were in 3 mate. But yeah

[@AlephSharp]

@@sammiller6631 yes

[@bellaloves2815]

Wanda turning dark makes sense unlike so many female characters who are powerful thus they turn dark, because Wanda was criticized and ostracized by the public for so long, she lost her twin aka her other half, she lost her love Vision, and she lost any hope of having her children because they were a creation of her magic aka an extension of her but Tommy and Billy’s existence was not a reality in her universe. She also lost most of the friends she could have ever made in the Avengers, and the public hates her. She had darkness in her from the start but those around her, who loved her, kept it in by simply being there and accepting her for what she was. Losing that let her have no impulse control, and like depression, the dark side fed off her grief and sorrows. In the comics, Wanda wasn’t even originally a good guy at all, but rather part of the Brotherhood of Mutants, so looking at her comic origins and what she has been put through in the movies and show, it’s really believable that she would fall to the dark side and yet it makes her so much more sympathetic and I think she is a really good take on the real fight with mental health and grief. Her character has made me cry more than any other character (No Way Home was a sob fest but Wanda made me cry in almost every movie and show she is in) and Elizabeth Olsen does an amazing job with Wanda, making her lovable, sympathetic and yet terrifying when needed

[@lorinctoth9402]

I mean they joined the Brotherhood, because they had no other way out, of their tragic life. In the MCU the parallel is them joining Hydra, thinking they can help others, not knowing Hydras evild background. (I think they were posing as SHIELD?) And in both instances they changed sides, when they had better alternatives. So I think, she means well in hearth, but makes mistakes. That's what makes her interesting. But yes, having a morally complex character, in this case because of loss, and the need to cope with that loss, is really compelling. A lot of people just won't acknowledge either side of her, just to forcing her into the hero-villain binary.

[@RandomSwiftie13]

She really carried this movie and I hope we see her again with full control over herself and to become a super hero the next time we see her.

[@darrengordon-hill]

YOU DEVIL WORSHIPPERS NEED JESUS!!!!! "Waah, victimhood entitles me to harm others"; EMBARASSING!!!

[@grapeshot]

Most people who have seen it that I know, say it's fun but kind of messy.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

pretty accurate description yeah

[@vcamv2354]

It's a fun mess basically. Like going into a rollercoaster which's damaged. Yeah you're having fun but thay thing could crumble under you at any time

[@vcamv2354]

Also, I really have to say, the Christine arc was so useless, unecessary. She was never that much important in the first movie, and he was okay letting her go, she was NEVER brought up again in the other movies where he appears, she was never a proeminent character, or mentioned She was just shoved to make Stephen go through an arc he already went cause, our Strange, after the first movie had no desire to "always be the one in control" The question and the concept is cool, but it always feels like there's a whole other movie focused on Dr Strange who should be the connection between this and the first movie that we missed. I feel like I've missed the second Dr. strange movie and I'm watching the third one, but no, that's the second one

[@danicakelly2242]

100% I believe that 2nd "movie" is the What If episode with sinister Strange because of how obsessed he was with her & fixing things there. Except.....that was a different Strange. So its like if they gave him the character growth THAT Strange needed, but this one didn't actually need. I mean he learned to give up control when he trusted the timeline where he gets snapped away for 5 years, only to let ironman & co time travel w/o his help & let ironman literally hold the knife & be the martyr that fixes everything. He trusted everyone else then, idk why everyone's acting like its suddenly a problem in this movie.

[@CaptainPeregrin]

Yeah, my reaction watching this was "There was a love interest for Dr Strange?"

[@kbaccari88]

Christine was important in What If, which was great, but not a good basis for a blockbuster

[@vcamv2354]

@@kbaccari88 Yes, also, the fact that one was a whole other Strange from another dimension Maybe even the Evil Strange we see in the movie, but in the MCU, she was never truly importsnt. She was just another part of Dr.Strange normal life he had to abandon to fullfill his duty as Sorcerer Supreme

[@CannibalShinobi]

@@vcamv2354 You know that his is only the second Dr Strange movie, right? Christine was plenty important in the first one.

[@Annathesurfer]

I just saw this movie a few hours ago and honestly, I really liked it. It was probably the most “adult” marvel movie so far and having Wanda as an antagonist you kinda wanted to side with was great. However yeah, that mid roll credit really took me out of it. They definitely should’ve had the final scene just be the mid roll, and maybe have crea pop out at the end.

[@orionh5535]

The Illuminati scene in the alternative earth was like the Marvel lawyers slapping fans while repeatedly screaming " Is this what you wanted, here it is, now you can shut up!" They were probably paid really well to do all the paperwork in order to set that up. Also, the climax where The Scarlet Witch has America in her grasp and is sucking out her powers feels like the writers wrote themselves into a corner and just, ah whatever, we'll pretend it's not an issue. In previous scenes, sucking out America's blue stuff felt urgent, like it could be done in less then a minute, like why would bizzaro doctor strange try to do it when in trouble, if it would end up taking scarlet witch like forever to do it later in the film.

[@tinyblueflame7813]

I absolutely agree. That felt like pure fan service especially with how quickly all of them were disposed off. I get it, it’s a different universe, but they essentially pulled an “Avengers Assemble!” Only to kill off everyone just to build up the baddie. It’s just disrespect IMO

[@gateauxq4604]

I was a bit disappointed by the Professor X fight because he was clearly on the astral plain (complete with black turtleneck 😃) but Wanda cut through him like melted butter. I know that’s nitpicking because he was just a glorified cameo but I was still a bit bummed out. Implying that he was the 94 cartoon universe Prof was a stroke of genius tho. Let us manifest an Xmen movie together. ❤️

[@Mj0Skyver]

You're not nitpicking. That is a proper criticism. The mind place is where Charles Xavier, the most powerful psychic on Earth, should have dominated over a witch being remote-controlled by another witch in a different universe. There is no throughline that suggested and allowed for Wanda's mind manipulation to outmatch Charles's with the ability of the latter drawn from his biology, his mutant genes and the former through magic. What Xavier underwent in this film is just something that should not happen if the writers paid attention to the script and even rather disrespectful to the character.

[@seeliequeen]

I had a lot of fun watching this movie. I hated that everyone was telling her that her kids weren't real, they were real to her and she knows they are out there somewhere. And when she said she had to blow a hole in vision's head and it meant nothing, my heart. I love Wanda, I think she is a really compelling character.

[@CannibalShinobi]

They kept telling her they weren't real until she revealed that she sees them in her dreams. They had no way of knowing they were actually real until then.

[@jacobd1984]

I’ve never understood the “they weren’t real” thing. Yes, they were made by magic, but they had thoughts and feelings independently of Wanda’s thoughts and feelings and what she wanted. In context, that’s real. It is fair to say that * her * sons aren’t out there though-similar kids sure, but not hers. But the point she made about Vision, now THAT was brutal.

[@loganbigmo]

@@jacobd1984 Yeah, but a lot of people (Even fans, who saw all episodes of the show) were like "they're not real cause they were magicked into existence") It seems a lot of people just refused to see the kids as actual beings simply because they were not created naturally

[@absolutearcher3137]

Victims love their stalkers, why? Because the stalkers *really* believe so.

[@adrianax182]

Wanda was definitely the best part of this movie.

[@ohheyitsmariahhh]

I enjoyed the hell out of this movie. I don't think it was perfect, I think some dialogue was clunky, America and her powers weren't excessively interesting, and Wanda's arc could've been a little more satisfying if we saw more of her corruption. But i feel like I'm going to rewatch this one more than most other recent marvel movies honestly, sometimes imperfection makes these films more fun, like they're not taking themselves too seriously. But seriously, the acting is great and elizabeth olson is one of their strongest players in my opinion. I think it's also some of the most dynamic directing the mcu has seen, I loved the brutality of some of the deaths, and I think they made the magic a lot more visually interesting in this movie. The first Strange relies way too much on kaleidoscope shit for me, I think this movie had more interesting cinematography and magic manifestations throughout. And I LOVE that marvel is finally letting a main character not be a hero! Honestly, I had a really great time and I'm probably gonna rewatch soon, Doggy Strange is my trash fav

[@ajcaraballo95]

As a Doctor Strange sequel, it was good but it could have been a lot better. Still prefer the first. The one aspect that really disappointed me tho was Mordo being an alternate Mordo from another universe. I waited 6 YEARS for Marvel to follow up on Mordo's statement in the first film's end credits scene: "I realize at long last what's wrong with the world. Too many sorcerers." We still have no clue what that Mordo is up to or where he's been. But at least this movie proved that Strange will be ready to hand Mordo his ass when he does return. Also it was pretty weird that Strange says Mordo dedicated his life to killing him even though all Mordo did when he last saw Strange was tell him that there will be consequences for interfering with the natural law, that he "will walk on this path no longer." and just left. No evidence of him wanting to kill Strange at all.

[@clandestinetranquilsounds6550]

i thought the same thingggggg.

[@Annathesurfer]

Oh yes I definitely thought Mordo’s storyline was going to conclude with him being the same mordo, and was actually pretty shocked when it wasn’t him. Like cmon guys we need some continuity

[@Bonaduece]

I kind of just assumed Mordo has been a pain in Strange's ass off-screen in the years since the first Strange movie. Which is a disservice to the character, to be sure, and a huge waste of a good actor. But maybe inevitable when we only get a movie focused on a particular hero every few years, and it so often has to serve the overarching plot of the entire MCU.

[@LD1E60]

I think they just tried to heavily downplay that plot point and say that Mordo has already tried to kill Strange multiple times and failed

[@marocat4749]

@@Bonaduece Hell even if that would have been better if he is just a cameo and a recurring annoyance to strange. Really any payoff.

[@rmjl1793]

Also didn't love that the "Steven always having to hold the knife" theme doesn't really get resolved; every decision in this movie comes from Strange, he never gives up the lead to anyone else. I wish that America had been the one to insist she could control her powers (when in fear of Strange) and he succumbs to her way of things and, ta duh, she's right

[@TuningAnApple]

But what about when he asked Christine to defend him from Specters? Though she didn't kill all of them.

[@kronos1794]

He didn't hold the knife, he supported America as she confronted Wanda. Him holding the knife would have been him being zombie strange and just thrashing Wanda. Instead he took a step back both in the film and in that confrontation. Strange also was reactionary more proactive in this film. I didn't take it as him making decisions, more he was grasping at any option that would help him help America. Him having to dream walk is the culmination of him acting out of desperation.

[@maxx2876]

I saw a lot of bad review about the movie but i actually really liked it! They really showcased wanda's power and the visuals are absolutely incredible!

[@beCoCOi]

It's suppose to be Stranger's movie, but its really Wanda's movie.

[@gingerdog8203]

@@beCoCOi but you could say "captain america: civil war" wasn't really *steve's* movie

[@leonzaduncan2438]

75%

[@kaiiliburdthompson2397]

@@gingerdog8203 but the elements related back to Steve directly, like Bucky was a direct relation to Steve, whereas with Wanda and Strange not really - there’s no direct relationship between the two, so no it wasn’t really his movie

[@Triforcefilms]

huh.... I actually REALLY dug Krazinski as Mr Fantastic. and I didn't even stan him before now with the fan theories. Based purely on his performance here, I loved his articulate and cold delivery. I think it's exactly what Mr Fantastic needs to be.(especially the look) Lots of people didn't love it, which surprised me. I genuinely think given time to settle into it, he's still definitely a great casting.

[@HoraceSteve]

@Triforcefilms I totally agree. This wasn't supposed to be the awkward, unsure, rookie Mr Fantastic. This was a veteran Mr Fantastic. He's confident without being arrogant. Someone who probably tangled with Dr. Doom or the Frightful Four on more than one occasion. Heck; given that the X-Men are a part of the reality, maybe he's helped take down Apocalypse! Personally; I'd love to see him in a future FF movie.

[@jigsaw924]

Exactly. It gave me Council of Reids vibes, John Krazinski did GREAT.

[@L16htW4rr10r]

Yeah, I love him in there as well

[@jman8904]

Hard disagree

[@Triforcefilms]

@@jman8904 Well put. Your compelling stance and thoughtful articulation has completely changed our minds😂

[@easwarans1261]

this would've been the PERFECT jump off point for X-Men and Wanda could've entered her Professor X era if they made it a Scarlet Witch movie. hear me out. they should've made this a Scarlet Witch solo movie and should've given The Illuminati a greater role. I say this because I wanted Charles Xavier to be a central point of the movie. in the X-Men movies, he helped Magneto multiple times in processing his grief and anger that he has from all that he lost in his life. even though wanda's loss is not exactly on the same scale (Magneto literally went through the holocaust), it would've been so good to see Charles helping Wanda through her grief. also it could've led to the perfect X-Men setup. this movie could've helped Wanda realise that her whole messing with reality in Wandavision induced powers in everyone who has mutant genes and Wanda realising that there are lots of mutant children struggling with their powers and are being dehumanised and her plot could've ended with her going to take care of all of them and taking the MOTHER role in their lives( ya know? found family arc) the post credit scene could've been like a Mansion inside an invisible force field in the same place that she was at in the beginning of the movie and the last shot cuts to a nameplate near the gate that reads "Wanda Maximoff's School For The Gifted" maybe I'm reaching too much lol

[@Melissa-sx9vh]

"this movie could've helped Wanda realise that her whole messing with reality in Wandavision induced powers in everyone who has mutant genes" I like this, kind of a reverse House of M and an amazing idea to introduce the X-Men.

[@aliciaaaa2154]

Wow, I would definitely watch this!

[@hotcocoandart]

Idk, Reed Richards is supposed to be really awkward. I remember watching the Fantastic Four cartoon and Avengers Assemble, and he was kinda an awkward smart guy in both. I haven't seen the movie, and I don't think I will, but it could be a choice.

[@abaderinfluence]

I really enjoyed the movie but one of my only complaints is that I feel wanda's descent into that level of corruption deserved more than 'it happened offscreen because she had the darkhold'. Especially after her character arc in Wandavision culminated with her sacrificing the hex to do the right thing and save the town. I know the darkhold explains her corruption afterward, but still felt like we were missing a movie or episode of something between then and the start of this movie to better delve into the way the it took hold of her mind to the extent it did.

[@ghosthuntinbun5947]

I quite enjoyed the movie, there are flaws in writing and in some scenes but overall good movie. I dont rly think its fair tho that some ppl are disappointed purely because they wanted certain characters to cameo, certain theories to be true, or that some believed the story to be different based on the title. For what they showed in trailers, it was good and mostly lived up to that.

[@makaylalashe4730]

SO mad we didn’t get the “things just got out of hand” line from sinister strange

[@hecrosegreat3943]

Man, my man Doctor Strange needs more love, i like Wanda in this movie, but its frustrating that Strange cant be the main event he deserves to be

[@TuningAnApple]

Honestly, he's kind of boring.

[@brysonius]

I believe that was the intended point of the film. Having Strange take a back seat because, as the Ancient One said “it’s not about you.” Let someone else hold the knife. I think this was America’s movie. While Strange and Wanda fought around here lol. America just be chilling tbh which makes it not seem like her movie at all. Just my 2 cents.

[@hollynotholy]

I also felt like they tried to make the movie more about her than Strange, but in the end she's so hopeless for so long in the movie that by the end of it when she gets confident and decides to try and use her powers, it's like "Could've started showing some more independence half an hour ago, sweetie".

[@thefoxesmind]

At this point I'm just interested in how many movies can we emphasize that Wanda's not a good person. It's hilarious. Also, this 100% should have just been a Scarlet Witch movie. It was fun, but had next to nothing to do with anyone else. They tried to cram too much into this.

[@giulianavalarino7892]

I love Benedict Cumberbatch, he's one of my favourite actors, but I'm going to be honest, I didn't care at all for Dr. Strange during this movie. I just wanted to know what was happening with Wanda. I hope they give both these characters a solo movie where they actually get to shine, instead of one with both that doesn't know where to focus.

[@blyp12]

when everyone was saying that Wanda stole the spotlight they weren't laying. I totally agree it should had been her movie, explain more about how the darkhole started corrupting her you know, SHOW US don't tell us.

[@derp_dragons]

Dr. Strange taking the backseat in his own movie is kinda like what his storyline was about, imo. Him not "holding the knife" and him acknowledging Wangs position (to put it spoiler free-ish) is also him learning to willingly take the backseat . So to me, that part fits very well. (just came home from watching the movie and I'm so not over how much I still love Wandas character and how much Elizabeth Olsens acting just breaks my heart all over again and again ) (still watching the vid, but I kinda... don't agree on her being a powerful woman losing control. I mean, sort of, just not like that. She still did things on her own terms and given what she could have done with that power and yet, all she wanted was to get her children back... also, it was herself that regained her control. To me, that makes her such a strong character, personality-wise, even more than her insane witch power. Her story arc and character remind me, in a way, of Doc Oc, my favourite marvel movie antagonist.)

[@Mntan]

I find it ironic that the people who think Sam Raimi should've watched all of wandavision because "wanda would never do such a thing, she's not the bad guy!" while in the post credits scene of wandavision you can see her using the darkhold, and in the first 10-15 minutes of the movie they say that the darkhold corrupts anyone who uses it, and then they keep saying it and they even show a version of dr strange corrupted by the darkhold, but of course wanda "could never be the villain, she learned her lesson at the end of wandavision"

[@Amaryllon]

Also that's usually not how the human mind works. You don't just "learn your lesson" and then you're fixed and never make the same mistakes again. Far more often, it's going to be an ongoing struggle to be better and not repeat problematic behaviour. (And that's without an evil magic book...)

[@materla4102]

It would just be nice to see the corrupting part, not to make it off-screen.

[@in_a_tizzy]

wait… he didn’t watch all of wandavision?

[@MikeJr9284]

Wanda killing off the Illuminati in such a brutal fashion was something I didn’t expect. At least we got to see Patrick Stewart reprise his role as Professor X in his MCU debut.

[@kreiyu]

it gave me deapool 2 flashbacks lol. introduce a team to us only to kill them off moments later lol.

[@astarionposting]

I am so happy you weren't upset over the massacre of the illuminati, sooo many fans are saying Reed was stronger than Wanda, and I was like??? HE IS JUST STRETCHY LOL

[@platypusnoiz93]

I don't know, I felt that Wanda jumped to killing people pretty quickly. I almost feel like I missed something to really trigger everything

[@LunaWho47]

My main issue with this movie is that the franchise is getting to the point that, in order to follow all the emotional arcs, you have to also watch the tv shows. I'm poor -- my whole family is -- and we don't have any streaming services, much less the expensive Disney+, and so, despite having seen all the films, I spent half of the movie trying to figure out how we got from where Scarlet Witch was at the end of Endgame to where she is in Doctor Strange. I can't help but be skeptical of franchises that don't have stories strong enough to stand on their own and can't let the characters have their own arcs separate from the overall franchise. I shouldn't have to watch everything in the Marvel franchise to follow the plot line of a single film.

[@EscapingMidnight24]

Honestly that was my first complaint while discussing the movie after leaving the theatre. They have made the universe so bloated that you'd have to spend weeks watching everything if you just started with the MCU. There hasn't been a true stand alone movie in ages and it makes it almost impossible for people who are just casual fans to fully enjoy because they haven't watched the dozen or so extras that are connected. And this is from someone who DOES watch all the extras.

[@sammiller6631]

You can find Disney+ shows for free if you look online. There are plenty of self-contained movies, so why should you rob me of the rarer connected experience? What makes you more special than me?

[@inkchip7351]

@@sammiller6631 You good?

[@MuffinDill]

@@inkchip7351 The dude has a point, though. Poorly worded maybe, but still. The reason MCU is so entertaining to watch is because it's all connected with all the arcs intertwining and completing one another. It's a unique experience that you won't get anywhere besides comics

[@ellieh0397]

Our country doesn't even have Disney+ so the only thing that's left is piracy 💀 I'd rather watch illegally than miss out for sure,not gonna lie

[@fuunosenshi]

That post credit scene with Clia makes me think the could have made this movie about Wanda (since they focused on her anyway) and have said scene introduce the next Dr. Strange movie.

[@ttjc3696]

Yeah this would have been a better Wanda movie. Like seriously all they had to do was follow Wandavision because the last scene in that was Wanda reading the Darkhold and hearing her child's voice. This leads to her learning about dream walking and America, setting her on her dark path.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Here is my problem with Multiverse of Madness. The movie lacks a sense of urgency, which then in turn affects the goals, and stakes. The movie has no goals, stakes and urgency that ensure the movie means something, rather than it being white noise. And if you don't care about the plot, why care about the characters, or anything they do even the cool fun action scenes? There's a huge misconception that character and plot are separate, that you can have one good and the other bad, but that's not at all true. A movie's primary goal is the most important part of any narrative: it must answer the question WHAT. What is it the characters need, what story is the movie trying to tell, what are the stakes, what are the goals, what is the urgency? Let's take a look. *Goal:* Wanda wants her kids. She needs America's powers to get to them. Okay. *Stakes:* Strange wants to protect America cause if she loses her power she dies. Okay. *Urgency:* At first it's give America to Wanda by sundown thennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.............I....uh. There's no real URGENCY. Unlike No Way Home where Strange establishes if they aren't sent back their universe is at risk, here, there's no establishment of what could go wrong with universe hopping. There's literally a character now, that can hope universes, and there's no stakes to that. In Into the Spider-Verse, all the spiders HAD TO GO HOME before they cease to exist. There's a ticking clock on how long they have before they all die. In MoM there's no ticking clock as to what happens if when how Wanda gets to them. It's a cat and mouse game with no sense of urgency. This then causes a problem for the other two parts of the trio, because the goals are all wants, not needs. Here's how I'd write the movie: *Goal:* Wanda 838 needs to get her kids back from 616 Wanda, or the kids will cease to exist. She enlists the help of America and Strange to do so. Same as ITSV? Sure but it will add stakes. I mean Wanda is already like Kingpin so there that is. We hear things of incursions, but there's not a thing SHOWN in the film of how that can actually affect the 616 universe other than one time in Sinister Strange's world. There NEEDS to be a sense of urgency in a film like this. That urgency comes from the consequences of hopping Universes; it doesn't affect America cause it's her power. BUT it affects the people who travel with her. *Stakes:* Bringing it back to the kids, 616 Wanda has them all trapped in another hex like situation. It's nearly impregnable but again there's a time crunch before Strange and the kids are gone. 838 Wanda knows a friend with the Illuminati maybe they can help. But they don't trust this Strange thanks to what THEIR Strange has done to stop Thanos. America can't really control her powers, which adds to the stakes. What will they do to get the kids back? We need to make it all about the kids, save the children above anything else. It's a stronger plot than stop Wanda from hunting down America. *Urgency:* again it ties into the stakes of having people outside their proper universes. It's bad. Have America need to make a decision under a time crunch, she hears her own mothers from another universe, will she go to them, or save the kids, will she help Strange when she doesn't know him, what kind of person is she under pressure? This adds to the tension of stopping Wanda from inadvertently hurting her children, and make her much more incensed and stay in her character of never REALLY hurting anyone ON PURPOSE this was set up all the way back in Civil War. Wanda has a decision to make tick tock your kids or your selfish wants Wanda. Now it's strange vs wanda, will he kill her to save the kids, break his Hippocratic oath that he was so angered about breaking all the way back in Doctor Strange "I have just killed a man I will not do that again." then we hear his sister drowning, that actually serves a purpose to his story of why he became a doctor, to save lives not take them. He'll stay true to his characterization; the universe or individual lives? I feel if they had made it so where Wanda already HAD the kids, they needed to get them back to 838 Wanda OR ELSE it would have made for a much stronger movie, and allowed America to really come into her own much sooner rather than just in the third act. I do like her, and want to see more of her, but she was far too passive. Wanda just wanting to kidnap the other Wanda's kids is one not in character, she would never WILLINGLY hurt people, she hurts people but freaks out when she realizes what she's done. It fixes Strange's characterization of "the universe vs people" because in this movie while it was nice that he was kind and compassionate thanks to Peter leaving an influence, it removes what made him interesting-his morals thanks to his status as a former doctor, or his morals as a Sorcerer Supreme who must protect the universe at any cost? Yes in my version Strange would still be SS. To add to the stakes. America would have her own choices to make and be much more active rather than reactive of a character. You mention that she doesn't want to lose anyone else, THE KIDS WERE NEVER REAL TO BEGIN WITH. She isn't wanting to keep anyone SAFE she just wants to TAKE AWAY someone else's children. And THERE IN LIES THE ENTIRE PROBLEM with the movie and it even causes WandaVision to fall on its face.

[@thathighguy6980]

The goal is to keep America away from Wanda. The stakes are universes colliding + America's life. This was very clearly spelled out. How did you not grasp those things?

[@Ghostface1998]

I’ve seen sm negative reception and I will never understand it like I swear Sam Raimi was the perfect director for this movie and I want to see those extra 40 mins that were cut. I fuckin loved this movie especially as a horror fan this is definitely up there in my favorites. Wanda was fuckin awesome as the villain so terrifying and when she killed the Illuminati my mouth dropped. America Chavez was such a delight and Doctor strange was awesome too especially the zombie strange possession with the souls of the damned being used as a cloak was fuckin awesome.

[@seastormsinger]

I wish this was two movies, one about the Scarlet Witch recklessly causing an incursion so she can acquire a set of children (maybe a set whose mother is already dead?) and Strange needing to stop her to prevent total annihilation, and a second movie with Dr. Strange looking for happiness and trying to find America Chavez, a person who is prophesied to be able to stop the Scarlet Witch from collapsing the multiverse.

[@Princess_Weekes]

Late, but agreed should not have been a Doctor Strange movie!

[@butters796]

Spoilers for the movie: So before the vid begins: I hope you get into how America can't control her powers until Dr Strange tells her "you totally can" and then she just can.

[@matthewolmstead8593]

Am I the only one that thought when Strange collapses and gets a third eye at the end he's hearing the movie score? Like he's now aware of the 4th wall like Wanda is?

[@darkdestiny9106]

Loved the movie, although I still feel a bit mixed on Wanda's motivation - it feels like a rethread of WandaVision, like you said, and it makes it feel like we're taking two steps back just so we could have her as the villain YET I love her as this force of great power that has lost her way because she suffered so much I also interpreted the Prof X scene a bit differently. I saw it as the "uncorrupted" Wanda stuck under the debris, as if it's caged and suppressed due to her drive to get America's powers for herself, which then we see the Darkhold come to remove any invading force that tried to free her - almost a callback to whenever Prof X tries to free Jean Grey from the Dark Phoenix

[@aidannorton3526]

that chase scene in the tunnel really had my cinema yelling "why did you stop" 💀😭😂

[@Siansonea]

Not only is Wanda not dead buried under Mount Wundagore, but Maria Rambeau isn't dead buried under that statue. She and Mordo survived in that universe, no doubt, Wanda was less concerned about killing the people who got in her way as she was just getting them out of her way. No way Captain Marvel was killed by mere falling debris. It just took her out of the fight long enough for Wanda to move on.

[@kittycheshire5099]

You know what Wanda should have done? Instead of trying to take over the life of another Wanda in another dimension, she should have asked America to get her some of the other dimension Billy and Tommy's DNA, like steal a strand of hair or something. Then, she can clone them and have her own version of her sons, who she can raise from babies. The MCU definitely has the technology to clone children, and even if it doesn't just yet, with the pace technology is moving in the MCU, it's only a matter of a few years. Wanda is friends with many scientific geniuses, including the CEO of Stark Industries and the Wakandan royalty. Shuri could easily make clones of her children, and this would be a lot more ethical and morally justifiable. America is a nice girl, I think she would happily help Wanda if it isn't something that would kill her.

[@g5naim]

Except that America didn’t know how to control her powers.

[@loganbigmo]

Also Wanda doesn't want clones of her kids who lack prior memories and their personalities, she wanted versions of her kids who still have their memories & personalities. Clones would be different people, but same only in genetic makeup.

[@Riggs_The_Roadie]

@@g5naim Also, there'd be no movie. Why do people want there to be no conflict in these things?

[@sam8226]

Don’t she have realty powers? Just saying, she could just had altered HER realty instead jumping to another. She had done alike in the comics and later in the movie (the mouth sene) Just recreate the children lady, come on

[@kittycheshire5099]

@@loganbigmo But alternate universe versions of her kids also wouldn't have the same memories or personalities, because they'd have different life experiences than the Billy and Tommy Wanda created in our world. For example, without Agatha there, they never would have gotten a dog and then had that dog die less than a week later.

[@CamRob_56]

I like the movie but I would have liked to see Doctor Strange be able to fight against Wanda a bit more. It feels like he was kind of a nerfed since Infinity War. He didn’t even try to do much against Wanda in the beginning so I wish I could’ve seen more of that battle even he still loses to Wanda’s power. I would’ve been cool to see the difference between witchcraft and sorcery maybe shown in their fight. Also was that evil Doctor Strange supposed to be Doctor Strange from the What If series or a alternate version of that Doctor Strange. If so I felt like him seeing a version of Christine could’ve been a really emotional moment. I kind of think it was weird how they didn’t even mention how he became evil because I think it would’ve fit the themes of the movie with Strange having to see from this other universes example of what could have if he doesn’t learn to relinquish control, not always be right, and let Christine go.

[@basicsimp8798]

"Yeah, the Mutants are back in the MCU!!!" Scarlet Witch Returns: No More Mutant. "ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?"

[@delix787]

1:40 I wish Doctor Strange 2. got more credit when it comes to the visuals and Sam Raimi bringing back his silent scenes. My mind was blown in that moment! 😱😱😱

[@RedCaio]

Finally! People online for some reason have seemed too negative, but I loved evil Wanda!

[@tessdevlin3987]

I also backed Wanda. After Wandavision i had spent that much time with her I felt way closer to her plight. All she wanted was to be with her kids? SURELY somewhere in the multiverse was an orphaned version of them who would have welcomed her.

[@LvXGameMaster]

I thought Wanda was great. Just watching her go Scarlet Witch on... everyone. I love magical characters, so magic fights are a bonus! I wasn't spoiled to Patrick Stewart, so I literally jumped out of my chair. I had been waiting for a Doctor Strange 2 since the first movie, and I was NOT disappointed.

[@nicholejj]

While this is far from the worst movie in the MCU, I was rather disappointed with it because of how much more it could have been. A movie about witches and wizards that can rewrite reality and travel dimensions should have been the most out of this world, bonkers, imaginative thing ever. The writers/Raimi had the chance to get as creative as they wanted. But it felt like they focused too much on the "horror" elements, particularly with Wanda, and kind of just... forgot everything else. And while yes, Wanda is searching for her kids, when she acts like a maniacal psychopath that brutally murders anyone that crosses her path, I feel like it really strips away the wonderful character they had built up for her. Yes, I know she was corrupted by the Dark Hold. But I think that is a shallow excuse for such blatant character regression, especially considering we didn't even see her fall to it. She starts the movie already off the deep end. I think it would have been more compelling if we could have actually seen her trying to learn from her mistakes in Wandavision, trying to actually be a good person, but inevitably giving in to her grief and turning to the Dark Hold. At a certain point, I was just getting tired of the jump scares and the brutal fights and Wanda saying creepy things. I'm not upset that she's the villain! I actually like it, I think it's an interesting full-circle story for her. But my problem is that she didn't feel like the same complex character she was, but instead just a generic horror movie villain. And then, the other unfortunate victim of this is Dr. Strange. They focus so much on making Wanda a ~spooky~ horror villain and her quest to find her kids that it feels like they forgot about Dr. Strange... in his own movie. His scenes with Christine were all well done and I think he was definitely the better written character, but not by much and there's a reason people are saying it feels more like Wanda's movie than his. All he does is run away from her. I'm not really a Dr. Strange fan, I'm mostly indifferent to him (I actually like Wanda more), but it was really disappointing to see him under-utilized in his own movie. Dr. Strange isn't a good character because of his raw power, he's a good character because he's creative and intelligent. He can come up with new ways to combat the villain if simply overpowering them isn't an option. But in this movie, Wanda is treated as being so powerful that no one even tries to actually fight her (except the Illuminati and, well). We could have gotten the coolest, most insane fight in the entire MCU between Wanda and Strange if they'd just bothered to get creative with Strange and his powers at all. I don't necessarily think that Strange should have defeated Wanda; I think that the way she is stopped works and I love the ending fight between her and America. But he should have at least tried. When she's chasing them underground, it's *Christine* that's slowing her down by shutting the doors. Or when she was about to kill the trainees, Wong, the *sorcerer supreme*, just sits there and doesn't even try to stop her. I wanted to pull my hair out. Why are none of these wizards doing anything? Wong and Strange are realistically the only ones that could really fight back against her since they understand magic and her tricks. It's just a shame. This movie had the potential to be the best in the MCU but it just... wasn't.

[@makaylalashe4730]

I loved seeing how powerful the Scarlet Witch is I also love how far they pushed that pg-13 rating however wanda got a better story than strange did

[@reb3578]

I am genuinely so happy that you got your Professor X/Scarlet Witch scene. Ugh there's nothing better than seeing something you've wanted to see as a fan for years and then it happens. The Hound coming back in GOT was mine. I literally screamed. It was my favourite book theory. When they cold opened that episode I just knew it was coming!!!

[@dcbandit]

I thought it was fun to watch, especially the character reveals, only for them to be brutally killed by Wanda, considering that they were from a different dimension than the MCU, it wasn't am issue. My only problem was that the third eye effects felt off, as if it wasn't there. I'd probably be able to pin down what was wrong with it if I could see it closer, but it wasn't a big issue for me.

[@alekbraakmanbera3703]

I love Wanda in the movie and the visual effects were great (plus the music nerd inside me was dying of laughter during the sinister strange fight) but oh gods did I cry out in pain when Captain Carter got cut in half SHE’S TOO GOOD FOR THAT. Plus seeing Patrick Stewart’s neck get snapped triggered my anxiety that man is not a young bean sprout

[@greengrendel]

15:52 that torture bit hit different because the bull guy I was pretty sure was meant to be Rintrah, so while some folks might have been like "whatever, let her torture the random students" I was like "NO, MY BOY!" I truly believed they might kill him off, so all I felt towards Wong was gratitude.

[@quinntribolet6593]

I really thought the Dark Strange in this movie would be the Dark Strange from What If otherwise I felt like there was no reason for that show! Also the fact that there was no tie in to Spider-Man, that should've been where this movie went, this movie really derailed everything I thought going into it. I'm just really happy that TOM CRUISE WASN'T IT IT!!! :D

[@KillahMate]

Krasinski was utilized _perfectly_ - and by that I mean, in a one-off fan-servicey cameo role. I would have been just as happy seeing Tom Cruise as Tony Stark for ten minutes, even though Cruise is absolutely the wrong guy for that role - but he'd be the _perfect_ guy for that role _for ten minutes_ and a few oohs and aahs. I'm not even slightly concerned that they'll bring him in for the mainline movies. Sarah Finn - the casting director for the entire MCU - is pretty much an all-powerful magical entity in her own right, and she seems to be just incapable of missing. Whoever ends up actually being Reed Richards - even if it's a complete unknown - is going to be perfect for the part.

[@LeapThroughTheSky]

I loved her heel turn. I mean she's always been a complicated character and more nuanced. I like characters who kinda can't ever be good or evil, but have different reactions and teeter the line depending on their emotions. And I think Wanda is great. Sometimes she's good, and sometimes, she's really, really bad. But her reasoning always makes sense to her character. I get the powerful women criticism, but I also think women rarely get the anti-hero or more nuanced opportunities. And even in men the straight up good guy thing is boring. Plus she's made one of the strongest villians of any franchise. Outside of my soft spot for Gul Dukat and Kai Winn of DS9, just good villians where you never really knew where they stood and seems like they didn't either. I'm just hoping we get to see her again and maybe she gets a minor redemption arc at least. I know Elizabeth Olson is open to coming back, so I think there's a decent chance. But we'll see.

[@iB0NKERS]

As a horror fan, I loved this movie. I loved a lot of the horror aspects they did with Wanda and the few references they made. I liked how they made her spiral out of control and progressively get worse but I think that’s a good representation of how it could easily mirror Strange if he lost it too, like some of the other Stranges. I did feel like America didn’t do much and was a convenient plot point but I get this is just an intro movie for her. I didn’t expect how dark this movie was and my jaw dropped a lot. The guy sitting next to me had gotten jumpscared a few times. I figured Wanda didn’t die but I expect the next time we see her, we’ll get an official movie for her.

[@asparagus2578]

Say anything about this movie I found it as the most enjoyable and entertaining movie I could ever watch for. It might have a flaw, but that doesn’t mean that it makes it bad but it makes it look good just to see how Olsen manage to carry the whole movie and seeing how Wanda embrace herself as the Scarlet Witch. That shows how I love Olsen playing Wanda.

[@claravian]

Its a fun movie, and I agree it feels more like a wanda movie more than strange in a sense that black panther turn out to be more of a killmonger movie rather than t'challa's, and the infinity war more like a thanos movie rather than an avenger one. Its because it fleshed out the villain's motivation and back stories better than the heroes. Wanda's state of emotion already established in prior installment, and this movie finally show the aftermath of that and what happened when her sanity finally snapped. It make a good story but risking putting the actual protagonist on the side a lil bit. I just wish we can get more scenes of strange dealing with his emotions too, cuz tbh, all I see is him being a lil cocky and in denial 🙈 But I enjoy it nonetheless. At least it tried to do something new, and the way it was shot and edited is so creative and diffrent. The multiverse part itself is still a lil bit confusing, especially for those who didn't watch wandavision or loki, and america chavez acted more as a mcguffins rather than an active character in this movie, but its a fun time and I love the way it just jump straight to the plot. Can't wait to see more of ms chavez in the future installment. I know that with more and more character introduced to the MCU, its gonna get more confusing and more difficult for new fans to follow. I just hope Feige didn't lose his track and fall apart, especially in keeping the storyline consistent :')

[@maitaniyama]

This probably should have been an altered House of M movie, but I kinda get that you would need to cast ALL of the X-Men and there’s the Luke Cage and Daredevil contracts to work with. It hits the same story beats of multiverses, Doctor Strange being a background character lol, and Wanda not exactly dealing with loss well. You’ve got Magneto, Petro/Peter, Lorna, and her kids!

[@marielaruiz3469]

For me the part that threw me off was the social commentary part where America says “In most universes food is free”. Like mate, a water bottle in Disney World costs $5

[@300happybunny]

This was an amazing analysis you put how I felt watching this into words perfectly!

[@jazzbutters]

Been waiting for this one since the 6th Also this whole movie I was like " Where's White Viz!!!" Also America now Just lives at Kamar Taj or however you spell it now is weird . Why isn't she trying to find her parents? Maybe that's another arc? Just too many unanswered questions

[@markmatson]

When watching the movie in the theater I had issue with Wanda's reversal, even though the last thing I said during WandaVision when she's reading the Darkhold was "that can't be good". But it was obvious I would like it better the second time. And sure enough, I really liked it once I accepted this version of Wanda. Now I expect she'll get with White Vision and talk a lot.

[@johnlangdon7325]

I ended up subscribing to you because you're one of the few youtube movie reviewers who manages to be objective instead of letting personal bias form your opinions

[@iamafish7]

I've seen so many men complain that Wanda didn't have a realistic motivation for the horrible things she did. I always ask myself why people don't understand that we're not supposed to agree, but understand.

[@mophead_xu]

lmfao i know quite a handful of men who would've easily empathise with wanda, and even if they disagree i doubt any of them would say it's unrealistic. but maybe the fact that most of these men are fathers themselves (or about to be) help. 💀💀

[@Man_of_Oil]

man I think you captured my feelings on this movie perfectly. I loved the movie, warts and all. And I'm in complete agreement about John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic, I don't think that worked at all and with how important that character is going to be for the future of the MCU, I think it could be really detrimental if they moved forward with that version of the character.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

Reed Richards being holier-than-thou and ironically rigid seems pretty in character.

[@nickstadler1906]

19:15 "...her hands SNAP Xavier's neck which then... snaps his neck in reality" Oh, there goes gravity. Nope, there goes Rabbit, he choked. He's so mad, but he won't...

[@yanazlatin3164]

I feel like dr strange was kind of unnecessary in this dr strange movie. I wouldve much rather watched a solo movie about america and wanda, maybe strange couldve apeared in the end to help save everyone. I mean he didnt even have an actual character arch! This said, the movie was verry verry pretty! The special effects , especially the different dimensions looked so cool!

[@sajohnson09]

11:06, I don't think it's John's fault hai reed came across like that... I just think it's because reed is such a lame character nobody can really do much with him in film. I hope they have it together by the time the rest of his team gets their movie because I am still looking forward to a good fantastic four movie.

[@DavidSilva-mn4dz]

Reed is not lame, one of the richest characters in Marvel. It's like Superman, many don't get him

[@sajohnson09]

@@DavidSilva-mn4dz It appears the people that have placed him on the big screen are the ones that understand him the least, hence why he looked like a complete joke in this movie and the ones before it.

[@777StarrySky]

I love how you went over some of the best and scariest action scenes in the movie again. One in particular I really enjoyed was when Wanda crawled out of the gong like Sadako crawled out of the TV in The Ring. That was a very nice touch.

[@robertbrookes2000]

Completely agree with your opinion on John Krasinski. They had someone exsposite that Reed Richards is meant to be the smartest person in their universe and I didn't believe it for one second. He didn't feel smart, or powerful or interesting. The whole Illuminati felt incredibly incompetent as they were introduced one second then killed the next. How did they think they could take The Scarlet Witch out? Also Mordo was super wasted as they hyped him up in the first film's post credit scene, but then all we see of him in MoM is an alternative universe version.

[@mialeo]

i loved this one so much, especially all those chilling sinister horror moments -- i wasnt expecting them at all but they were so effective!! also the sound design was superb, and i loved all the motifs in the music. this movie has so many moments and shots that have burned themselves into my brain after one watch, something barely any movie has done to me before. i do agree with most of your critiques, but overall i just loved it :-)

[@natalief9654]

watched this movie the other day with my friend and when we left the theater I told her I was very interested to hear your review for it

[@deadpoolnerd]

I would love to see a conversation between Strange Supreme from the what if show, and this Wanda. Because they both have such parallels, both wanting to force a change everyone saying shouldn't happen. All the while they're doing questionable actions becoming consumed by their actions, all because of "love". Or what they defined as love when in reality it is their selfishness driving them. Wanda not being happy with thr notion of her kids throughout the multiverse having a version of Wanda to call mom and that they are loved and cared for. No SHE needs her kids regardless of how so.

[@sophiab6239]

Was JUST feeling in the mood for an Amanda the Jedi video and like magic, you posted

[@effarig4017]

This movie was tons of fun, and did indeed have some of the mcu's greatest visuals yet, but yeah it was super clunky to me. I thought the arc about Strange questioning whether or not he's happy was very interesting, but it felt really muddled since it was so intertwined with his relations to Christine rather than confronting his life as a whole. I also think this movie really did not show off his magical talents. Apart from the scene with the spirits, it felt like he didn't do anything particularly impressive or crafty. I also thought John Krasinski's delivery was super awkward. It was almost akin to like. A condescending high school teacher. I think prof. X was also done a little dirty; I think he would certainly hold his own a LITTLE longer in the psychic plane.