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[@AmandaTheJedi]

I know this was a pretty divisive movie for some people. I tried to address some of those complaints in this video, but it’s fine if you didn’t like it! Hopefully we can all agree that Carey Mulligan’s performance was phenominal

[@jacobmohr1539]

She is always amazing!

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Yes. Yes it was.

[@blessedcocoa5729]

As a girl, who has experienced sexual assault at a young age by someone I trusted. This hits so hard. It made me sad that she and her friend weren't able to get past the pain. You can't ever get past it. It'll always be apart of you but u need to come to terms with it, accept it wasn't your fault and take pride that you survived. My mum had to come to terms with it because she too was there to stop it, it was worse cause she wasn't even in the same country as she had to work to provide food and she wasn't gone long but it was long enough. She deserved better they both did.😢😢😭😭 I have forgiven that person but now I am weary of others and I think I'm a bit more protective of my younger sisters and brothers, cousins and my niece (coming this Feb).

[@wurdnurd1]

I've been looking forward to PYW since the trailers came out at the end of 2019/beginning of 2020, and was ABSOLUTELY sitting in the theater on Christmas day. I thought it was more about how destructive survivor's guilt is, how Cass would never be able to go back and go with Nina to the party, how the assault destroyed two innocent lives and two innocent families. That sexual assault doesn't need to be violent to be thoroughly destructive.

[@wurdnurd1]

And, for the record, I've been in the position, involving a friendly acquaintance, alcohol and ignored denial of consent, followed two weeks later with said acquaintance being such a gentleman as to give me a lift and splitting the bill for PP services...followed a month later with the acquaintance publicly threatening me that if I ever mentioned the events to ANYONE, that I would regret it....and he was one of the nice guys, or thought he was. Not all men, of course, but a good percentage more than they will admit or acknowledge...

[@MadameTamma]

Honestly the fact that Bo Burnham's Character STILL went to the wedding even after he after putting together that in all likelihood the groom murdered Cassie speaks volumes to what kind of man he is.

[@joseribamarjr5164]

You can tell he's all about image. Even when the cops show up at the wedding he doesn't care about his friends. He looks around to see if anyone caught him freaking out of the messages. He even adjust his suit during that scene.... Always about what other think of him. When he wants Cassie to forgive him it's not because he's sorry, it's because he can't stand the thought of someone out there who doesn't think he's the golden boy.

[@silvertamagachi]

One thing I've been trying to figure out is if Madison went to the wedding. I'm pretty sure we didn't see her there -- and if she changed her mind on two of her "favorite people," that's really amazing.

[@suhaparisa5425]

@@joseribamarjr5164 Yeaah I caught that too he is definitely all about image

[@suhaparisa5425]

@@silvertamagachi Yes i did not see Maddy too maybe she learned her lesson and truly regrets her actions

[@miranda13c]

@@silvertamagachi I like to think, and hope, that Madison didn’t go. It seemed like she was so freaked out she got away from all of that and everyone involved.

[@Allonsy305]

I feel the ending was supposed to make us feel the anger Cassie had felt throughout the film. It was viscerally realistic and enraged me, but I have a feeling that was the point.

[@TheFrdw]

I guess it really is different when it’s someone you love. The foreshadowing there was slick

[@maylee261]

That was the point, great movie

[@somerandompasserby477]

I just finished watching the film, and boy I can't express this rage I'm feeling right now.

[@olotocolo]

Yeah that would make sense. It puts the viewer in the exact same spot, loosing someone you care about, someone who was with you from the start, who you rooted for just like that. In one moment at the hands of the exact same asshole.

[@luiginastro8831]

Yup. Loved it.

[@yeet7043]

As a very sexually active person who had been assaulted, there aren't enough words to convey how hopeless and alone you feel when you seek support and people basically tell you that you deserved it or maybe even liked it

[@Cevalip]

People suck - I'm sorry that happened. Read on a "blog" - type thing, that a young woman had taken a man home after a night out, had toldd him to stop during sex, but he kept going and HALF THE PEOPLE ON THE F*ING SITE SAID SHE HAD TO LET HIM FINISH SINCE SHE INVITED HIM HOME FOR SEX = HER FAULT/MEN'S SEXUAL NEEDS COME BEFORE YOUR COMFORT/SAFETY... After that i was seriously feeling the urge to kill people off Dexter/Lumen stylr after that..

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@Cevalip hey love the dexter reference! Honestly sums up how I feel when people victim blame 😡

[@Cevalip]

@@alyssapinon9670 thanks - it was literally the only example of a revene story that doesn't go with the "revenge is wrong/women are crazy" ending. I'm sad they didn't let us know what happened to lumen but I get why.

[@jazzspider8569]

I'm so sorry that happened to you dude. Someone I had considered a close friend tried hurting me like that and I still don't know how to express it. I've told my friend why I don't feel comfortable hugging them and I just don't know how to tell him it's because I can barely trust any guy thats nice to me anymore I just want to tell you that you aren't alone and that I think I understand what you're feeling. Maybe I'm completely wrong but I wish you the best my friend

[@trollbridge5872]

I’m so so sorry you went through that. What happened to you is not and will never be your fault. I hope you have gotten or are able to get the support that you need. You are incredibly strong and I’m sending all my love to you ❤️❤️❤️

[@radhiadeedou8286]

People who didn't see Jennifer's body: Seth cohen is gonna help her People who saw Jennifer's body: oh no

[@ItsBritneyBitch1]

Hahahaha literally me

[@Desaki65]

My post-Jennifer's Body brain was immediately on high alert!

[@zombieedrea]

The minute I saw him I was like, "GIRL, RUN"

[@JozyMusic]

I had literally JUST watched Jennifers body for the first time before I watched this tonight!! So random!

[@Desaki65]

@Medjai K it'd sell OUT. And I'd see it so many times. 💗

[@daniellelucas9581]

I loved the movie, it's the only movie that I've ever seen that focuses on sexual assault that DOESN'T EVER SHOW THE ASSAULT

[@katepea4959]

YES!! There is no need to show sexual assault on screen when dealing with the topic. It feels like writers who show violence like that on screen to prove their point don’t understand how damaging that can be to an audience. You don’t have to explicitly show that kind of violence to understand its impact

[@astoldbynickgerr]

@@katepea4959 it’s SO triggering!

[@didostempest2966]

Freaking outlander and their gratuitous delivery of humiliation & sexual assault every other episode it felt like. GAG

[@Spicy_Spores]

@@didostempest2966 holy shit this, it makes me so uncomfortable.

[@weasel7491]

Yes! And it's thanks to a wise woman film director. If only the rest could learn

[@MsEverAfterings]

I love the title “Promising Young Woman”. Two promising young women’s lives were destroyed by the sexual assault.

[@lokalcrow1470]

Yes! It's a kind of twist on how when some men are convicted for commiting sexual assault, they are referred to as "promising young men who lost it all because of this" (this horrible conscious action they commited against someone), as a tragedy, so this movie asks "what about the promising young women who were the victims?". It's SUCH a great tittle.

[@00calimon]

Yes, additionally, 'promising young men's' lives were perceived as threatened/at risk, because one woman's alleged experience, and that society has historically valued mens' lives over women's personal accounts & lives.

[@desireabrown6255]

This movie was such a breath of fresh air to me. It was smart, had great actors, and a twist I didn't see coming. Loved it💯

[@jillybean9569]

absolutely IT WAS AGREAT MOVIE

[@your_dad_on_vacation]

@M A R I N A spoilers if you havent finished......... At the end my cousin and I were like "No she can't die, shes faking it!" And my cousin actually looked it up because she couldn't take the suspence

[@jerrygil1965]

Amen!

[@21jd_]

I think people just prefer happy endings. When characters are in such a tough situation like this and they're rooting for them so hard, and then in the end nobody wins, their instinct is to dislike it. But it's the truth with these kinds of situations. Nobody but the lawyer showed enough remorse for her to be able to forgive and move on, so she had to deal with it some other way. Her way was revenge. It wasn't healthy and it was bound to catch up to her. She was willing to go down if it meant taking the perps down with her. They all lose. In real life you don't get a happy ending, you either learn to live with it or you don't. Nina didn't. And then Cassie didn't. These are the consequences. I'm glad this movie reflected that.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Agreed for sure!

[@jamesbarksdale4116]

I like a not happy ending. Ever watched 50 States of Fright. Every episode was not a happy ending...Good shit!

[@Qwertyfg1234]

My favorite part was that the ending was not happy becuase giving a happy ending would make the movie a fantasy and discredit all the mental strain Cassie felt all these years. These men who hurt Nina were arrsted but I like that they don’t show what happens next and I feel like this important because you come out of the movie without a feeling of catharsis which makes u look at the world around instead of feeling relieved. I believe if the movie was happy we wouldn’t understand how much Cassie actions hurt her as well how she needed to do this

[@jerrygil1965]

Amen! You never get a happy ending in life💜

[@radioreader]

*Spoiler* There's still some degree of happy ending, with her getting some sort of justice beyond the grave. Apparently, the first version of the script that was presented to financers ended with Al and Jo disposing of Cassie's body. They couldn't get the financing they needed with the finale being so dark and realistic. Fennel came up with the epilogue happening after Cassie's murder as a compromise. It's still daring and compelling, but it's interesting to note that the part of the film that is criticized the most is the one she had to add in order to make her story more palatable for the industry.

[@LauraLuFilms]

One of the smartest commentaries of the film was the contrast between how the general attitude towards Nina's r@pe was that it was her fault for drinking, but WITHOUT HESITATION Al is reassured that it's "not his fault" for killing Cassie...when she's literally lying dead beside him.

[@LauraLuFilms]

ALSO, Cassie's revenge was always psychologically manipulative, but overall harmless (other than shocking her victims into a new perspective). Her actions were always with intent, and repercussions are always thought through (which is why the impulse of smashing that guys' car felt like a mistake). Al killed her on impulse because he knew that no matter the harm he causes, there are never any real-life repercussions. This is supported by the fact that he goes so far as to hide her body, and comments on how we live in a world where women (especially sex workers!!!!) are seen as disposable.

[@bronchitisbabe4047]

This comment!!! Thank you

[@toxicsugarart2103]

Ooooo very good take

[@-xphobia]

I dont think the general public would hold the same sentiment, lol. Doesn't mean that them saying she may of had it coming is the right thing, however this observation is stupid, imo. If your raped, youd expect a good friend to say it isn't your fault. However they ARE speaking like HE was the one that was violated by her death. So I suppose there is something there. But it isn't like the general public would say "it wasn't your fault for smothering that girl." Lol. There are many other perfect pieces of social commentaries at play here.

[@WuMyth]

to be fair... it was literally self defence lmao

[@EEVictory13]

I was date raped when I was drunk and when I told my roommate she said it wasn’t rape because it wasn’t violent enough. I told him no, I told him no, I told him no. I was in pain afterwards, but somehow not rape. I was afraid because I was drinking underage that I’d get in trouble too. So nothing happened, then about 17 years later I came to terms with it all.

[@shellaanjela4549]

I'm sorry it happenned to you, and had to hear what your roomate said to you. I'm glad you're coming to terms with it. It's a really stupid perspective that rape or other form of sexual abuse has to be violent. Pain is pain. Whether it's physical or mental. I hope you're surrounded by more supportive people who validates your experience now.

[@cunegonde4]

I am sorry this happened to you, and that your roommate reacted that way. They were wrong.

[@Gelime_]

❤❤you're not alone

[@Inurwalls02]

i hope ur doing better today.

[@EEVictory13]

Queen Ani much better, thank you.

[@Pandastuck]

you know what I really liked about the movie? we don't see nina once. we don't have any idea how she looked like. we know her so much and end up loving her so much because of how cassie loves and misses her, but she don't even have a casting actress, for a flashback scene or whatever. this movie is so deep, I love it

[@Wwumzymumzy]

I hated that about the movie. It felt so unfair to me that even in death Nina’s story isn’t about her.

[@lukemomsen9393]

@@Wwumzymumzy that’s the point tho, even tho it’s her story, her assault, it’s all about Al hence the name being a spin on the phrase “promising young man”

[@aaronpierce4443]

Not seeing her at all really shows the finality of death... it's a devoid space in the movie just like it's a devoid space in the protagonist's life

[@Cherabreena]

@@Wwumzymumzy I also really enjoy that we're not shown what Nina looks like. It was a good decision. I feel like having an actress could potentially play into some really damaging tropes, such as "white woman syndrome" (I assume she is white since her mother in the movie is white, but still). Having her be conventionally (un)attractive could also derail the point of the story or how we view her as a victim. Not seeing her prevents us judging what happened to her in relation to her physical appearance / stereotype / etc. Very good choice not to show her in the movie!

[@Kristin2885]

Nina is every woman. Every faceless, nameless Jane Doe assault victim that was once a promising young woman but derailed and erased by the system. It's not really about Nina, the character - it's about all those women she represents.

[@shelbyc7285]

This movie was incredible, and as a woman who has experienced men taking advantage of her....I fully was disturbed by how the men thought they weren't doing anything wrong at all.

[@Ameliamaemay1990]

Yuppp I get that.

[@JJ-94]

I'm sorry to hear this. No man has a right to take advantage of any women and there's no excuse for it, especially if she was drunk or what she was wearing. Any man who says " I'm a nice guy" after he tries to take advantage of any women is not a nice guy, hes a sexual predator.

[@davidmayberry3190]

@@JJ-94 I hear what you're saying, but is every drunk sexual experience bad? If the guy is just as intoxicated why is it all on him? I mean yeah if you're trying to have sex with a woman that's unconscious or half unconscious, are using force or violence it's a pretty clear line, but are you saying it's just wrong to hookup with a girl that's drinking at all?

[@aaaaan8312]

@@davidmayberry3190 lol I think it depends on the degree of how drunk they are If they just have a couple cans of beer, and are talking just fine Then they give consent u’re okay As a woman, I will never try to fuck a drunk or/and unconscious man when I’m drunk If I’m interested in them, I’ll prob just bring them to THEIR own home Leave a note saying take care whatever with my contact and go home myself lol And I’ve also heard when men are really really drunk they can’t get their penis up (I’m not sure if it’s true or if it’s only for some people ) If it’s true, then a very very drunk man,who can’t think well, would prob be unable to do shit to another drunk man or woman

[@letmein8075]

@@davidmayberry3190 the way the comments before you literally was talking about "taking advantage" of a drunk person specifically and not about whether its okay to have sex with anyone who has had any amount of alcohol at all really makes me questions your intentions,and yk if you cant tell the difference between the two just stay away from sexually engaging with people who are drinking.

[@maddyG7414]

Oh my god, the point you made about the ‘dead stripper’ scene being something you might see in a Hangover movie is SPOT ON. It’s exactly the description of what the trivialization of violence against women in media looks like.

[@ScarlettAstor]

The absurd horror at the centre of the film is that everyone except Cassie seems to be doing everything in their power to avoid acknowledging the simple truth that what happened to Nina happened, it was horrible, it was a crime. Al is the prepetrator, but to avoid acknowledging that truth, everyone goes out their way to make themselves complicit in his crime. For Cassie, to "let it go" is to become complicit. Yeah there is that brief moment of hope when at least, at LEAST, one person, the scumbag lawyer, is willing to acknowledge the the truth. And it is almost enough, maybe she can live now that someone else knows and she doesn't have to carry the truth all by herself. But then the video, and the truth is more horrible than she'd even imagined, and the complicity is even more insidious, and so all of her options disappear. As far as Cassie can see, there is no way to exist in this world without confronting the truth head on. And this world is so deeply complicit in protecting it's perpetrators that it will not allow Cassie to do so. It sucks. I hate it. But damn. I can't imagine a different ending that would do justice to the story they were telling. The only criticisms I really have it how underutilised Laverne Cox was, and how there are some issues regarding sex workers and stigma that would impact how Cassie's murder was treated by police.

[@JennyIsHere]

That's a great observation! "Letting it go" implying Cassie would be complicit like everyone else really captivates why she couldn't turn away then. It really helps put you in her mindset at the time.

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

I liked how Cox was her one true friend, but it would have cool if she had a more important part in the story. Even if Al is not arrested for Cassie's murder, he will probably get convicted for the rape. And besides, it would be worked out that Cassie was not actually a stripper and was most likely posing as one.

[@kathynicholson2580]

Those were my thoughts, too. Weakness of character to not do the right thing, denial and rationalization are the real horrors in this movie.

[@ArturGlass.C]

I really liked Laverne's role, as dumb as it is, I really appreciated that her character wasn't extremely hammered everywhere. She was just a normal regular woman living her life, being a nice and considerate friend, trying to do her best and being helpful when she can. It was a great addition in a feminist movie talking about rape to have a trans person being seen and portrayed so openly as a woman when it's a terf narrative that trans women are put in the perpetrator and predatory category. it was simple and I liked it for that especially knowing the history of terf is often rooted in irrational projection of fear based on being victim of sexual assault. It's a movie that could have attracted some terfs and it took a step no matter how small to not indulge their bullshit mindset.

[@mooncherrie]

@@ArturGlass.C "trans women are put in the perpetrator and predatory category" sounds familiar to certain female author that wrote books of wizards

[@Peachypee]

During uni I had been assaulted so many times, even by friends. I don’t think I’ve ever properly met a woman who hasn’t been. Men don’t realise how much creeps their friends are, and don’t realise the impact it has on a person, so they’re just very ignorant of it. this movie seems to portray that so perfectly; It portrays the effects of assault more realistically than films are afraid to do, because films are often afraid to say that men need to be better - even the ones that don’t assault women

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

I'm a dude & I've been harassed by a girl at the age of 10 where's the story about that?? Oh yeah there will never be, just ignorant nonsense making men out to be Villains I'm tired of this shit.

[@seabreeze4559]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 predators are mostly men, that doesn't erase your experience it's simple probability

[@Peachypee]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 except there is. But it doesn’t change the fact there is a very high percentage of males who harass women. Women who harass men ofc exists, but it’s a tiny fraction against men. Men don’t have to wall down the street holding their keys in fear of being harassed. Men don’t get harassed left right and centre by women all the time. Yall just refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem with male privilege and entitlement and only think about yourselves, which enables sh***y men to continue their behaviour

[@dishadharmraj6986]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 I agree that men are assaulted or even raped my women, but it's completely derailed when you use it as a counter argument of a women sharing her personal experience of going through assault. I hope you realise how shitty this looks. And secondly it's so important to have these type of stories to show that "boys will be boys" or men are some type of sex animal that love sex because it's this type of mentality that even harm men because a lot of people don't think men can be raped.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@Peachypee First of all this is made up, Yes men do fear Going to their car at night, wtf do you think a Psychopath or robber looks at me & says Oh you're a man I won't rob you or kill you & tilts his hat & says good day sir lmao 🤣😂 I hope to God you don't actually think that, This Narrative is just used to victmize women, & I'm really suck of it, you talk about "male privledge" what about "Female privledge"?? Because that exists more then you think 🤔

[@nate-it9xq]

I can see why some dislike the ending. It's pretty disturbing and unexpected, which may have led to some of the negative reactions to it. But I think it's PERFECT for what the movie's going for.

[@salmacaribbean7362]

The scene were Cassie is walking back home, stops & looks nonstop straight to the guys catcalling her, was really powerful... it states her character as fearless and no bs tolerant... I enjoyed this movie even as I cried while they show us her screams at the end. The Lawyer is the only one who seems to get his soul back through regret, apologizing & making up for his previous fail. Overall, excellent movie!!!! 👏👏👏👏👏

[@Druundev]

I do find the ending hit so hard also because "realistically" (Due to the age of the case and how the justice system works) it's tragically unlikely that even if she had been able to prove what truly happened, those rapists would most likely still not have been brought to justice. But for murder? They would. Atleast that's something I ended up thinking about at the end.

[@basementdwellercosplay]

Spoilers if anyone doesn't want to have ending ruined Honestly Al getting arrested during his wedding is a beautiful ending for it. He's arrested in public in front of people who like him and a woman who thinks he's the one. Then he gets arrested in front of them all so even if he gets out they won't want to be connected to him anymore.

[@iciajay6891]

100%

[@cherylwatt7347]

It's the kind of ending I wish my story had.

[@astoldbynickgerr]

@@cherylwatt7347 💙💙💙

[@otimo144]

idk Ties are hard to break even if the person is scum. Family is still family and they will probably fight for them. Hell my aunt still stuck up for he husband even after he beat her and is still a part of her life to this day. Love makes people do stupid things.

[@avengefullgirl95]

Realistically the thing to happen next is that everyone would say "he would never do xy and z, we know him he's too wonderful to do any of that," ive seen situations where a woman was fighting a man in court who had tried to kill her and his family completely sided with him since he had never shown any signs of being like that before. In this fictionally realistic world his bride would think the woman was lying and she would have a very hard time believing that he had killed anyone, his family would also deny everything since as far as they are concerned he is a doctor who would never harm anyone

[@amyg8176]

The moment that she stared down the construction workers was incredible

[@afish4086]

As a survivor, I noticed IMMEDIATELY how the death scene had parallels to sexual assault. It was a raw and brilliant way to discuss the violence of the act itself - the literal suffocating nature of being overpowered - and make it the longest take of the movie (the second being the foreboding march to the party). It is difficult to depict the violence of r*pe without accidentally (or intentionally) fetishizing or sensationalizing the act itself; sometimes films trying to create a meaningful and emotional impact (such as the original I Spit On Your Grave, for example) veer into exploitative territory. It's complicated. There's a long history in art of violence against women being framed erotically, so it takes thoughtful framing and breaking film conventions to navigate the blurry lines of violence, sex, and femininity - and this film excels at that. Maybe someday we'll get a film where a regular woman can have her revenge AND get to enjoy it, but I'm so glad we at least now have a film that has found ways to portray the horrors of r*pe without exploitative conventions. I think that's a big first step, and I hope it will inspire future film creators to get innovative with their own approaches to a difficult topic.

[@58209]

thank you for sharing your observations. this is the first time i've seen someone remark on how the death scene resembles sexual assault itself, and it makes perfect sense. and it's so frustrating when shows try to depict on-screen abuse but end up just making it titillating or exploitative.

[@ItsMeAlyssaD]

as i was watching the ending when Al kills her i just kept thinking no she’s smart she planned for this and she’s faking. she’ll pop up and still be alive and she’ll get her revenge. and i was right. she did plan for that to happen and she did pop up and her memory will live on in those she leaves behind, both good and bad, and she did get her revenge. she just won’t be around for it

[@sarahc171]

They nailed it. My friends & I had a rule that 1 would stay sober to protect the others. At a party, my BFF got drunk & a boy took her to his room & locked the door. I knocked until he opened it to say she was fine, revealing her half nude & unconscious body on the floor. He locked me out, so I climbed his balcony & using his ceramic bunny statue, I broke through his glass patio door & knocked him out. I threw her over my shoulder & ran to my car, yelling at our other drunk friend to follow. My BFF actually hated me for it, but I knew I couldn't live with myself if I didn't save her. Damn, if I hadn't I'd be just like this character, I'm sure.

[@drillsargenttay3960]

Wow... you are such a good person. Good on you, girl 💖💖💖💖

[@nerdycurls6253]

Holy shit your amazing! You sound like an amazing friend and really strong like damn I cant even lift a bag of rice XD

[@dreadlordvellan733]

This is the way.

[@clarisa6511]

hold up, you bff hated you for saving her? wtf

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

I hope she eventually saw you as a hero. Cause you definitely are one.

[@pauliedoodle1939]

I wonder if it’s the honesty of the ending that has shaken so many people. Something we learn growing up as females it’s that statistically we are overwhelmingly more likely to be the victims of a sexual assault. If that assault is carried out by a male, then physically, there is realistically f*ck all we can do to stop it. It’s a very powerful ending to the film that has left me with a lot of thoughts on how our world works and I can’t yet find the right words to express how it made me truly feel. I don’t think I have watched a film that made me think so much in a long time.

[@Wow30035]

Exactly and it’s always strange how men don’t understand why most women are cautious around them.

[@kittyrosefaerie7464]

@@Wow30035 Yes. Because if we aren't cautious it'll be our fault when we're harmed. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

[@shandiana]

@Thomas G. Linn Uhhh what? I'd wager dollars to donuts that the women you're responding to are all part of "this generation" and they're praising the authenticity of the ending. That's a pretty gross overgeneralization.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@kittyrosefaerie7464 Victimhood

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@Wow30035 that's Sexist, Women can Assault a guy & hey away with it, This movie is proving to me it's just fueling a Victimhood in people if anything, I've gotten harassed by a girl when I was young, Just 10 years old she told me to pull my pants down I did, women can do this shit too & this movie insults & enrages me.

[@alterbria]

Although really uncomfortable to watch, I also think it was important to kill Cassie to show she was not invincible so that other women don't feel 'inspired' to put their lives at risk in order to make justice with their own hands. I had a hard time believing Cassie could get away so easily with turning against those men just by throwing some harsh words and evil gaze at them, but unfortunately, by the end of the movie when her character dies, everything became more plausible. Again, I am not happy she died, I just felt it make all the risks she took throughout the story more believable.

[@MsFlamingFlamer]

I do believe there was a deleted scene where she gets a bruise by one of the men. It's a shame that it was deleted IMHO

[@DarlingMissDarling]

@@MsFlamingFlamer agreed. Especially when so many women know that even if you do "everything right", just saying you're not interested can be dangerous. So yeah, I think it would have been powerful to show that you can simply hurt a man's ego or shake up his world view a bit, (like Cassie was doing with the weekly bar excursions) and end up in physical danger.

[@horacegreely4396]

Ill even go farther. Maybe she wanted to die. The movie made it clear that she was living a miserable existence because of what happened and that she dedicated her life to confronting Al. If you look at the scene she was at the edge of the bed when she was smothered. She could had easily slid off the bed and the pressure that Al exerted with his knee would had been diverted by her sheer weight plus gravity. She more than left breadcrumbs to report what happened to people she knew would send the message along. That was before she went to the party. Then even if Al is not convicted, what hospital or clinic is going to hire him or allow him to continue his work there? Even if he's aquited he would be convicted in the court of public opinion. His life is over in his immediate community. This is why the dude panics and kills her in my opinion. He saw all this flash front of his eyes while his life suddenly was crumbling in front of his own eyes. Oh and by the way, according to the conversation with the dean, Al is somewhat of a public figure meaning famous. Every activist group would had come calling for his head. Genius and bittersweet for her at the same time. Great scene.

[@guacamollie2460]

There are a lot of movies about men going on crusades and killing people being invincible, but men don't go around trying to reproduce that. Don't pretend that women aren't rational enough to not take risks like that

[@opheliaann1]

@@guacamollie2460 Lol exactly.

[@Delihlah]

I tried to get evidence of my ex by talking to him as if I was "completely fine and still in love" and he would hint at it but would NEVER explicitly say what he did. I remember how frustrating it was that he knew what he did, referred to it, asked me not to go to the police, yet he still wouldn't full on say what he did so It ended up just being a waste of my time and just caused me more hurt than good . I really like that they had trouble getting him to admit what he did seriously. That was a good decision in the movie.

[@youretoopolitical8611]

That proves they know exactly what they’re doing and why it’s wrong.

[@KellseyAlexHipo]

Promising Young Woman made me feel so gross at times, and I didn't always agree with the actions she took, but I loved it so much. The biggest things that I loved were her different reactions to the people who were around that tragic event in college, and how the movie made me feel as a woman. There were times when she confronted men and I got so scared and anxious seeing her body in contrast to theirs. Most were taller than her and Carey Mulligan is so slight, and she kept being antagonistic when she confronted them...I was so anxious they'd hurt her. And as a very short woman, it hit really close to home. I just hope there are men who saw SOMETHING in the film

[@alyssapinon9670]

Oh same. I’m built like Carey but sometimes I tend to forget that when I get into heated fights with people. I guess a Napoleon complex. This movie made me realize I need to be more cautious and that I’m lucky to be unharmed

[@beab-locher6077]

@@alyssapinon9670 I'm very small, but I had self defense classes and worked in construction. Still not just once the only chance I got was to run. I laughed when my mom told me to take care when I was younger. As if ever something is going to happen. I'm not laughing anymore.

[@omararevalo9320]

This movie wasn’t at all what I expected it to be. I thought I was going in for an avenging angel type of movie where Cassie was going to be a vigilante figure pulling elaborate schemes on her targets such as drain their bank accounts or release their sex tapes but this movie was more of a psychological thriller than anything else. I thought I was going into a Killing Eve Season 1 Phoebe Waller Bridge type of movie but it was more like a Killing Eve Season 2 type of movie. Which makes sense since Emerald Fennell WAS the showrunner of Killing Eve Season 2 where she stripped away a lot of the flashier revenge elements from season 1 to focus more on psychological warfare, twisted mind games and realistic violence. This movie really didn’t hold back with anything and I really respect the hell out of it. Especially the ending because I’ve seen a lot of movies and tv shows in my life so shocking me is about as rare as a blue moon but that ending shook me to my core, it was very ballsy and I think it worked.

[@maylee261]

This is a movie make for win awards not the kind of movies like Jhon wick

[@athenajaxon2397]

Why are men more upset by being portrayed as rapists than like actual rapists???

[@MrGamecatCanaveral]

Who is saying that? What men are upset? Im looking in the comments and reviews, no men are upset. I only see women like you say men are getting upset. I saw this last night with two other guys. We all cheered for the girl. And hated the men. We know this happens in real life.

[@athenajaxon2397]

@@MrGamecatCanaveral I guess you missed the message that Amanda got lmao I've seen countless comments like that for this movie and Birds of Prey

[@MrGamecatCanaveral]

@@athenajaxon2397 probably. Bird of prey kind of sucked though. Lol. It was too corny for me. This one was really good though. Great characters, writing and story.

[@artheaux666]

@@MrGamecatCanaveral Why are you so offended? I think the shoe fits a little too well than you think.

[@MrGamecatCanaveral]

@@artheaux666 you're just a troll. I'm not offended at all. You're just trying to get a rise out of me. I don't know if you're just sad or stupid.

[@natie3322]

When you go for revenge you have to dig two graves. She couldn't get justice for her friend, but she could make sure they got justice for both of them. She recognized her limitations and worked with them...

[@geekgirl_luv4262]

What I really liked was how they wrote the way Cass seeks revenge. She’s not just hurting/scaring people in random ways to get back at them, what she’s doing is forcing them to confront their own crimes and their role in rape culture. Every single revenge she enacts-from her grand revenge plot, to her weekly outings in clubs and bars, to tiny moments like when she confronted those cat callers-was deliberate and calculated. By making them confront what it is they actually did and the harm that their actions cause, she forces them to face the fact that they’re not actually as innocent or as nice as they think they are.

[@ckenepah]

I loved and truly adored this movie right up until the end. I know that the director thought the ending was realistic, and I agree, but at the same time I wanted more. Decades and decades of media deifies and reinforces victimhood, and pushes the idea that victims and the people who care about them are to move on and pushed to forgive and forget their abusers. We haven't been allowed to feel our rage. We tell, and retell the old adage that revenge is a dead end path. I loved that the movie communicates in a way that isn't triggering, it doesn't use the R word, it doesn't show anything terribly graphic. At the end of the day, as a victim of sexual abuse, I just want a movie that doesn't push trauma porn AND has the ending that some of us fantasize about. From an analysis of Jennifer's Body: "no one asks to be made into a monster, but no one should be surprised when the monster of their creation invites herself over for dinner."

[@seabreeze4559]

medusa myth, this is

[@JeongWonTVobabo0813]

i've never watched the video that someone talked about movie with so much detail ! thank you so much it was totally enjoyable review video and it was awesome movie as well!

[@Rikkilover17]

I studied film in college, and as you were explaining the events in the film i was able to figure out what would happen next.. UNTIL YOU GOT TO THAT ENDING HOLY CRAP THATS BALLSY FOR A CREATOR. THAT ladies and gents is how you make a twist ending. Sure the text messages is a little deus ex for my liking ( i think it could've been more powerful if they didn't know it was coming) but the guts to kill off your main character and still have runtime and even better to make it almost "comedically dark" and not so "fallen hero, what can we learn from this angel's passing". Just.. Amazing, love that.

[@borednerd2100]

I hated the ending, I was absolutely enraged with it. But I can't deny how impactful and effective it is, it IS meant to make you angry. I guess I just wanted a feel good revenge flick. But this film is far more than that, it addresses sexual assault with the depth, nuance and respect! (never showed the assault) it requires and highlights all the pushbacks and difficulties survivers often face when seeking justice . Spoiler!!! I just wish cassie didn't die that miserable death!!

[@SingingSealRiana]

the movie was about the consequences of peoples actions and she made confrontinng people with it her life . . . her death was exactyly that. I am not saying she deserved it, at all, but she knew the risk and she took it willingly for she valued her revange more then her life. Revange destroys you, even if she had survived, she whould have been left with nothing and sooner or later, one of the guys she let pick her up would have killed her . . . she got insanely lucky, that up to that point it only had been nice guys who feared confrontation . . . this ovie does not glamourises, its not a power fantasy, it showes the reality of how women are treated

[@l0st5oul45]

this film reminds me a lot of hard candy, and while there is more of a "happy" ending for the protagonist it's still gut wrenching. i'll look into watching this when i get a chance too

[@oliviamcguire7915]

For anyone who loved the movie and likes to read, " The Female of The Species" by Mindy McGinnis has a very similar premise and is truly a phenomenal read. I read it about four years ago and still think about it and the main character Alex at least once a week

[@taylynhopkins]

I was really worried that I was gonna see something... unsightly while watching this. But I was happy that it didn’t show anything that was too unbearable like other movies and shows do

[@sumo431]

Thank you for explaining imprinting

[@AmandaTheJedi]

You are very welcome

[@shandiana]

Wait wait wait, it's NOT when wolf boys groom half vampire infants?

[@screamthroughdreams]

I always appreciate when a movie takes a sharp turn and doesn't give you a "good" ending. It's absolutely not the end you wanted but it makes you feel so much more than most other movies.

[@maribethmorgan7886]

Rather than the idea that “all men are bad” this movie does a terrifying job of illustrating that internalized misogyny lurks in everyone, and that pushes men and women to normalize horrible behavior. I think this movie showed that we all have different degrees of that internalization. I personally couldn’t watch this movie more than once, and I think that was more so due to how realistic the main love interest was. I had a partner who, similarly, may have never engaged in SA or R behavior, but he was a bystander to his male friends who would tell horrible stories about getting a female coworker drunk to sleep with her, etc…. And maybe this is just me, but just like in the movie, that hurt even more than these blatantly evil guys. And while I understand that normalizing this stuff has been engrained in women as well, seeing other women participate in this stuff is extremely nauseating.

[@wiktoria5719]

That toxic cover was truly chilling

[@carinam.9447]

Do I want to see this video now? I want to see this movie, but I haven't figured out how/where to watch it in Germany yet 😅

[@AmandaTheJedi]

I think it releases on VOD on February 12th overseas? You're safe for the first 7ish minutes and I say when I start going into spoilers

[@carinam.9447]

@@AmandaTheJedi soo... I watched the whole video 😅I guess I wouldn't pass the marshmallow test? probably will watch the movie anyway, even with spoilers. 😂 Great video! :)

[@colonelweird]

I watched the movie knowing almost nothing about it - and it really shocked me. The plot has many twists and I think it would be better not knowing them in advance. (But if you're sensitive to violence on-screen, be prepared.)

[@verbimu]

i just want to say how thankful i am for you making this video... it's honestly SO ENLIGHTENING to find out what the people involved in the film were trying to do and accomplish with the story, so just... thank you for cherrypicking those anecdotes as it really put the film in a more whole light... also, just thankful for you succinctly saying what i also thought the film greatly accomplished as well... and then just lastly wanna thank ya for these quotes, caus they literally.. gave me chills... (they're so right & so powerful & so goooodd ughhhh) "she -should- be terrified but it's her conviction in her mission that allows her not to feel that fear, which terrifies -them- even more." "and that's the reason why she dropped out, to help nina. because she went from this vibrant amazing individual, to a shell. and he -can't even-, bring himself, to say what he did." - amanda and okay really last one,,, but i'd argue dark character studies should be considered empowering in and of themselves, there i said it hahah.

[@hughjass5062]

i honestly really really liked it, not only cuz i love the humor but also cuz of the characters (who act like actual ppl) n cuz for once i couldn’t just guess the whole plot in the first few minutes of the movie; it actually contains a very well built storyline with a well written script behind it n i found myself questioning ab everything throughout the whole movie

[@GamerJules_]

This review is honestly giving me Hard Candy vibes. As in, it doesn't matter what you do to yourself, as long as revenge is enacted, that conviction of attempting to rectify a situation through your grief in *very* unhealthy ways. Movies like this are SO difficult to pull off well, but it seems like Promising Young Woman may have done just that.

[@m1ssw1z61]

I remember Tumblr bashing the shit out of this movie and calling people not to watch it because it wasn't the Female Empowerment Movie they wanted 😏

[@delilahbelle2125]

There was so much about this movie that I loved. I enjoyed that the 2 guys from the bar she goes home with are typically cast as "safe, silly, nice guys" in films/shows, and this film put a spin on it. I loved the soundtrack and costuming, even having shots focused on Cassie's mouth (chewing gum, sucking on a straw); it's a trope meant to identify a character as silly, non-threatening, etc., while also make her attractive to the male gaze. I liked the small identifiers that even when someone might demonstrate kindness or remorse, high stress stakes will still bring out the worst in them (i.e. Ryan turning on Cassie when confronted, Al going along with getting rid of her body instead of calling the police and pleading self defense). It was a film that challenged a lot if concepts and threw light on a lot of grey areas surrounding how society handles assault.

[@r.s.4085]

That's the best way for a movie like this to have ended. That's the only "happy ending" this could have had.

[@ace-of-bats]

I commend Emerald Fennell for casting such likable actors (Adam Brody! Chris Lowell!) as reprehensible men in this movie. It really forces the audience to face the fact that bad guys don't always look how we expect them to. Well done on the part of the actors, too, for their willingness to tell an ugly but important story.

[@eamonndeane587]

I hope Carey Mulligan gets a Golden Globe Nomination for her performance in this.

[@samanthasmiles9112]

My dear friend was drugged and raped by a famous football star. She tried to contact the police but not a SINGLE attorney would take her case. They told her that she would never win and to go home and "forget about it". She ended up moving back with her parents and slept on her parents floor for the next year. I was molested at 4 years old. I was molested multiple times. My attacker was sentenced to probation and no jail time. To all the rape victims: I see you and you are not alone. None of this is your fault. Someone needs to make these monsters pay.

[@isabelleould9090]

The end made me cry. That hopelessness is so real.

[@starcherry6814]

This movie went after everybody, the enablers, the attackers and the bystanders Everybody's guilty.

[@johnthehumanist2333]

and will be guillotined

[@abbycraw6093]

So well explained. Just watched this movie for the first time last night and your critique was well executed. Great film!

[@tazunuh]

I watched this movie with absolutely 0 spoilers and it was INSANEEE i watched it with my best friend and it was amazing

[@definitelynotskynet]

I just found the scheduled txts arriving exactly as the cops rolled in contrived. Woulda made more sense if that was conveyed via notes/letters in the lawyer’s package.

[@stripedhoneybee1990]

Just watched this movie. Blew my mind, loved your review. I did not believe Cassie was going to die, like I honestly thought at the last second she was going to pop up. Honestly this movie whilst very real , was heartbreakingly tragic.

[@jimbolic0809]

AMAZING commentary, Amanda! I was fortunate to watch it last night in theaters (released only a couple of days ago here in Hong Kong). OMG, that movie was a ROLLER COASTER of emotions for me. I am so happy too, as you said, that they committed to the ending.

[@shainarush4666]

Wow this review was a wild ride. I don’t even care that I spoiled the movie for myself. I really loved the message that the nice guy trope can totally be a falsehood, sometimes even more dangerous than the bad guy. Because you don’t see it coming. The twist with Ryan was a great example of this. Also the main character is a little mimicked because her methods are super fucked up, but I absolutely look forward to watching this movie.

[@sugabud]

I literally can’t get over the ending. I really didn’t thinking that the writers were gonna go there, but I’m glad that they did. Far more realistic and far more powerful.

[@trbolt0713]

black bear review. please. we need that Aubrey Plaza content.

[@MothSalesman]

(TW; Will mention assault & r*pe) I really enjoyed this movie. I went into it expecting a simple revenge-plot movie, and was pleasantly surprised by a few things.. - there were no long, gruesome depictions of outright rape. I was braced for something similar to the American “Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” but that scene never came. The nice guys are very creepy and those scenes are uncomfortable, and we do hear the audio from Nina’s video but that’s as close as we get. - While not outright depicting violent rape scenes, I felt it really accurately portrayed “Nice Guys” and the women who defend them (Such as Dean Walker or Madison). I felt like I had literally talked to people like them in real life. - This movie even managed to give me two gut punches and completely pull the rug out from under me. The first was when we hear Ryan’s voice in Nina’s video and his reaction when being confronted. I was crushed he displayed no remorse and would rather insult Cassie, but in real life it would be so rare to have someone NOT get defensive in that situation. The next gut punch came at the end, when Al smothers Cassie. The shot of her death is VERY long and I kept just waiting for Cassie to stop pretending to be dead and to get up and murder Al. I didn’t expect her to really be dead! Somehow her ultimate plan of exposing Al for her murder AND Nina’s assault was still a satisfying ending to me. I know anyone reading this has seen the movie already or is spoiled, but flying into this movie totally blind to what it was gonna be was an experience I would recommend, even if you never watch it again.

[@kris__crystal]

For a thriller I cried a fuckton in many scenes. Also some fun facts: Cassie is a parallel to Cassandra from Greek mythology (there is also a scene with her an Nina in a pic to Greece, Corfu). Cassandra was a Trojan princess, who was a prophet, a gift given to her by Apollo who later cursed her that noe would believe her prophecies because she rejected him when he fell in love with her. There are many parallels. Like how none believed Cassandra's prophecies (one of them being the Trojan horse), none seemed to believe and accept the reality of Nina's assault even after her death. Cassandra was also raped by Ajax in Athena's temple. One account claimed that even Athena, who had worked hard to help the Greeks destroy Troy, was not able to restrain her tears and her cheeks burned with anger. In one account, this caused her image to give forth a sound that shook the floor of the temple at the sight of Cassandra's rape, and her image turned its eyes away as Cassandra was violated, although others found this account too bold. In the end Cassie's body is burned which reminds of ancient Greek burial methods. One of them, had a soldier being burned with his favorite armor and weapon. Jo and Al throw in the bonfire her pendant which has Nina's name carved (her weapon, what drove her through her "fight") and her wig (her armor, being the multiple disguises she took up during the film). Both heroines have a tragic death. While Cassandra in Agamemnon by Aeschylus (from the trilogy Oresteia), is murdered by Clytemnestra and Aegisthus (her lover), and was taken prior as a pallake (woman used for sex) by Agamemnon, Cassie also dies a rather tragic death, in a metaphoric way murdered by both sexes, since she walked down the path that led to her death cause no man or woman helped Nina. Lastly the movie has many (in my opinion) similarities with the movie Έτερος Εγώ - 2019 (The other me), where [SPOILERS]: A) Both girls in the movie share a strong connection since childhood and have a shared pendant with each other's half. (In Promising young woman it's their names in half pieces of a heart, while in The Other Me it's pendants with Pythagoras' friendly numbers symbolizing each one being the other missing half). B) Both movies are set in motion after the demise of the one girl, and the other, the survivor takes revenge. C) In both movies there is a strong commentary on how justice works. While in The Other me, the girl is killed in a hit run, the culprit is a young, rich, "promising" male, who gets away with it because of his reputation and not paying for his crime. In both cases there is the revenge theme, and in Other Me the friend who is alive, seeks out revenge to the system that didn't give any justice for her friend's death. While she doesn't die like Cassie, she takes her revenge on the people who wronged her friend. There are big differences in the theme and the tone (Promising young woman being a humorous dark thriller about rape culture, while the Other Me being a detective, mystery, thriller) there are many similarities. In the beginning of the movie we are led to believe that the culprit of the dead girl's lover, who also got hit the day he proposed to her, only to find that he wasn't and that the strongest relationship of deep love was between the two childhood friends.

[@elllana]

I think the context of this movie hits even harder as someone who is actually in med school. The characters weren’t college students, they were grown adults in their mid 20s when the initial events happened. And dropping out of med school is a much bigger deal than dropping out of college because it’s even more debt and years wasted, so it really puts into perspective the seriousness of what Cassie chose and how everything affected her.

[@s11j02]

Yeah definitely, and it makes the fact that they keep saying they were "just kids" hit especially hard.

[@CynsCorner]

The events took place 7 years before the story in the movie. So they would have been 23. Not quite in their full mid-20s; only a year out of regular college and about a year into med school.

[@nachgeben]

I hate to tell you, but even if you're 50 and going back to school You're still a college student.

[@SjofnBM1989]

Yeah the average age of a first year med student is like 24.

[@SjofnBM1989]

@@nachgeben technically med school is university. Not college.

[@apizzathatgiantforthesimpl5191]

I think the people who claimed this movie is "man hating" fail to notice that 2 of the people Cassie gets her revenge on are women, who are just as much to blame for Nina and Cassie's situation. This film isn't about how men are bad. It's about how people can be complicit in something horrible and still walk away thinking they are utterly good and blameless.

[@cornelia4838]

not only that but she forgave the lawyer because he showed that he felt remorse for what happened and he helped her complete the plan. I don't get how it's man hating when the one who helped serve justice is a man himself.

[@angryotter9129]

The “man hating” label is often used to downplay a legitimate viewpoint. People become defensive instead of examining the actual issues, because it makes them uncomfortable. No one wants to confront that sometimes people in a group they belong to do bad things. Instead of taking a moment for self-reflection and consideration, they disregard the whole scenario as “man hating” so they don’t have to think about it at all.

[@andrewdriver3318]

@@angryotter9129 it’s more about non issues subverting the conversation. People have become so used to these types of movies being preachy dissertations about all men being evil that they now prejudge them based on those past experiences.

[@mons3020]

"To see what is right and not do it is want of courage..."-Yoshimistu from soul calibur, silly as it sounds

[@axiss5840]

@@andrewdriver3318 The fact that so many of them ARE preachy dissertations about all men being evil isn't something to gloss over. There's a reason people are sick of it.

[@katkatattack7787]

Not once in the movie the word “rape” was used. They managed to send a powerful message without even using the R word. Crazy good movie.

[@taylorjamiese7731]

Facts and without showing a scene that might be triggering to some viewers

[@JJ-zm3ne]

I don’t believe they ever explicitly said that Nina committed suicide other. I truly amazing and impactful film.

[@CountryCowboy008]

Plus it never mentioned "sexual harassment". Also, I think it's more powerful that they showed Cassie's reaction to the video rather than the video itself. Carey really did a masterpiece with her acting.

[@matthewbishop8395]

Sp the word rape cant be used now is that what you R saying?

[@poppymae8290]

@@matthewbishop8395 the word can be triggering to victims. Hearing or even saying that word is hard and if you have experienced sexual violence then even hearing that word feels like you're reliving it all over again for some survivors. It's not a case of not being allowed to say it, it's a case of it is often unnecessary to say it when you can allude to it, or when it is blatant that that is what is being alluded to.

[@annadau8612]

The title is a reference to Brock Turner, a Stanford University student who was convicted of sexual assault in 2016. Despite his conviction, he was referred to by some as a "Promising Young Man."

[@EluraCorenBooks]

That case still angers me, how he got his sentence reduced partly due to his being an "Olympic hopeful" swimmer. The fact that he got booted from the team made me smile, although he should have gotten much worse.

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

didn't he serve like three months? And his father said something like his life shouldn't be ruined by "some seconds of pleasure", or some shit like that? Yeah, that case is deeply upsetting.

[@EluraCorenBooks]

@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 Yep. A whole, whopping 3 months was it.

[@TheCrayonMaster]

I'm still pissed about this case

[@pastelsploosh8914]

@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 I never knew about this case, yet the quote you said really boiled me. Damn

[@myettechase]

Also, love the character naming. Cassie=Cassandra, as in the myth of Cassandra where a young woman was cursed to always tell the truth but never be believed.

[@fangirl3086]

Also the name of my dear sweet mother, one of the strongest people I knew, at least before the last few months of her life.

[@swampmop]

@@fangirl3086 bro?

[@fangirl3086]

@@swampmop sorry I'm a little messed up.

[@white3409]

@@fangirl3086 you’re not messed up Sorry for your loss

[@white3409]

@@fangirl3086 glad you still remember her fondly,from the sound of it she seemed amazing

[@GoddoDoggo]

"This movie HATES MEN, all the men are bad, even Best Boy Bo Burnham!" Are these people dense? The ONLY character in the film who fully acknowledged their actions and consequences, the ONLY character who received verbal forgiveness from Cassie, the ONLY character who through their redemption earned the right to _help save the day_ and get the shitheads arrested in the end... _WAS A MAN._ THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY. YOU CLODS.

[@toxicsugarart2103]

Yeah!!!

[@luiginastro8831]

Don't try to make that kind of people think reasonably. It's useless.

[@toxicsugarart2103]

@@luiginastro8831 it’s never useless to at least try explaining a point, even if it doesn’t get across

[@estefaniamarambio8411]

👏👏

[@caro12347]

I mean, it just shows you which people you should just stay away from.

[@ysucae]

it's not just about the assaulter. its about how everyone connected enables them. how little you have in term of support or understanding. how even the nicest, most tender dudes can have that spot in their past that they're unwilling to face, or have explained away. when it's someone you care about, it's different.

[@animeholiczka]

Not only dudes. Granted it is easy for men to use power over a woman, since statistically they have more strength, it is easy for them to brush it off as "oh that's how guys/men are, always wanting sex" but assault is not just punching and abusing unconscious girl, women also blackmail or pressure people into sex, they use the fact someone is drunk, sleeping or "so ugly he should be grateful" mentality. The thing is we just allow all the types of abuse happen cause as a society we still think sex is taboo and we underappreciate and completely disregard the value and importance of ACTIVE CONSENT. I am pretty sure many women knowing or thinking about abuse also have things they are ashamed. And granted, it might not be gang r*pe on a guy or attacking him in dark alley as we would like to see the assault, but these are those "small" things that ultimately diregard someone's autonomy and decision

[@TheEvilOreo]

I think that enablers were a big point here.. everyone in the class had video proof of what he had done to her. Not a single person took any action against him. Just because you're not an active participant in someone's assault doesn't mean you did nothing wrong.

[@nataliaalfonso2662]

@@animeholiczka 1000000000%

[@kathynicholson2580]

@@TheEvilOreo Def agree. Not only did they witness it and not stop it, they were entertained by it. AND they videotaped it. THEN they laughed about it and shared it, after they were sober!! Nobody regretted It? Nobody came forward and fessed up? None of them wanted to face the consequences of doing the right thing. The power of denial and rationalization is the real horror in this film.

[@seabreeze4559]

benefit of the doubt

[@Rmlohner]

One really brilliant thing is how the movie seems to deliberately cast actors with sunny, likable images like Bo Burnham, Allison Brie, and Connie Britton as characters who are fully complicit in rape culture, with the implied message that if these people can be part of it, anyone can.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

Oh brother 🙄

[@calahive5068]

I really like when the actors' images are used to propel a movie in some way. Very neat!

[@Rmlohner]

@@calahive5068 I was also really reminded of how Roots did the same thing, casting positively viewed actors like Chuck Connors, Robert Reed, Sandy Duncan, and Lorne Greene as nasty racists.

[@xchristyisbombx]

Seeing Bo turn into one of them really broke my soul

[@susan5978]

agreed! excellent point

[@xnightxskyex]

"This movie is about hating men!"... except two of her victims were women, the man that showed actual remorse was forgiven, her dad was never blamed for anything relating to this, the detective and police ended up being able to do their jobs. The point of the film was to show that those who can be held accountable will be held accountable. Honestly one of the best thriller films I have ever heard of.

[@rojczan1399]

Two of her victims were women. So when you kill for example 100 men and 1 women, you are taken as women killer or men killer?

[@xnightxskyex]

@@rojczan1399 neither. you are just considered: a killer.

[@luiginastro8831]

@@rojczan1399 The fuck were you trying to say, my guy?

[@jerrygil1965]

@@rojczan1399 Irrational question

[@atmosphericentry0]

@@rojczan1399 You really thought you did something here huh

[@rodolfojaviercampos2012]

I just watched this movie and I loved it. As an assault survivor I felt very represented (even as a man), and the overall pastel and femenine aesthetic just added for me. Probably this movie hit way too close, but it was like it's made for me. I even felt I healed a little bit, idk

[@greenbeanb]

I'm so sorry you had to go through that. nobody deserves it

[@_aconite_cj_]

Sorry you went through that, I'm so happy n proud of how much you've grown n healed, good luck for the future 🍭🦋

[@AliG-fr9oj]

Well we're all glad you are still here!

[@lenaeospeixinhos]

❤

[@kaheaisaac1]

Im sorry u were assaulted.. ppl are disgusting and evil :(

[@mskittybbi]

I think this movie talks about something we never discuss: secondary survivors. As someone who is a secondary survivor, the bottomless rage of this film was incredibly relatable, realistic and very much needed.

[@katepea4959]

Facts

[@spicypizza6116]

I think you spelled it out perfectly. And I actually loved how this movie turned out. I used to rage as a teenager that nothing would happen unless [spoiler] happened.

[@tibicenlinnei4014]

Survivor's guilt. Should have been there. Could have been there. Wasn't there.

[@honeymaiden]

@Coconut Pal i imagine they are referring to people who were not directly affected by something traumatic but one of their loved ones was. in this case, cassie was not assaulted but her friend being assaulted turned her entire life around. especially when someone was severely traumatized and did not get justice for what was done to them, it is really hard for the people who deeply care for them to not feel just as much anger and grief as the traumatized person

[@allier1867]

spoiler when Cassie died. i felt my heart sink. i just wanted the men who hurt nina to hurt too even if morally that is questionable...

[@imagineaworldlikethat4081]

“Just because she was prepared to lose everything doesn’t mean her parents were prepared to lose her.” Damn.

[@michelseibriger12]

I felt so bad for them, despite their flaws, they deserved to at least get a note from her or SOMETHING.

[@LifeUntilLove]

I also think about Nina's mom. She seemed close with Cassie and cared about her wellbeing. And now this one horrible event has cost her both her own daughter and her best friend's daughter. Plus, she is going to see that tape at the trial unless she doesn't go or participate at all. I can't imagine that pain.

[@youretoopolitical8611]

At least when the trial comes out they’ll know what happened but I agree she should have sent her parents a message as well

[@abelinasabrina]

Coffee ✍️ spitting ✍️ is ✍️ flirting ✍️

[@muse5633]

r/are straight people okay

[@awanordin]

Gus likes it alright!

[@-ana_banana-2098]

@@muse5633 r/no not really

[@beaugantz4888]

Hey sabrina

[@regionalrange3052]

Is an assault!

[@alyssapinon9670]

The fact that people think John Wick is a sympathetic badass for murdering the men who killed his dog but think that Cassie is a hysterical man hater for psychologically torturing the man responsible for her friend’s rape and suicide says a lot about society. Personally I think both characters are examples of the quote “I’m not saying it’s right but I get it.” But this movie is kind of a Rorschach test for how people view sexism and rape culture. And boy does it bring out the ugliness in people. I think Cassie saying “what do you think every woman’s worst fear is” has the same energy as John Wick’s “just a dog” line. Both had their trauma trivialized and now they’re fighting back.

[@athenajaxon2397]

I HATE the fact that whenever a woman makes a movie and men are the villains they have to constantly clarify that they don't hate men I've never seen a male director do that or be asked to do that

[@victoriashevlin8587]

This.

[@alyssapinon9670]

@@athenajaxon2397 facts! They see equality as oppression so we have to explain that we aren’t trying to oppress them, we just want to be held to the same standards.

[@MrsStevenBrown]

WORD!

[@midas6753]

@@athenajaxon2397 have you been on Twitter? You constantly have to clarify that you don't hate women if an opinion isn't the main focus of the thread and I'm a woman for godsakes so yes we do this to men as well. The internet is full of shitty people trying to dumb things down to girls vs boys and it's really annoying and stupid. We need to just take things that are made, said or explained at face value if everyone did that with this movie they would see it's a revenge story about PEOPLE not against guys.

[@OlgaSPN]

So Cassie avenging a friend is "insane", but John Wick killing dozens of people for a dog is justified? Interesting. But how is Ryan not a bad guy? In his office he shows such ugliness, a gut-level reaction that can only be seen in a cornered animal. I think it shows exactly who he is at his core, even if he lies to himself that he's so great -exactly like the creeps in the bars.

[@Wonderfully_Wicked6664]

Hey man his dead wife got him that dog! Everyone has to die!!

[@sheepishly4342]

Don’t forget he stole the car to.

[@bhavya5692]

@@Wonderfully_Wicked6664 yet the man who killed Cassie was told 'its not his fault' for LITERALLY killing a woman, who was lying right next to him.

[@Capt.Tony00]

I don't think Cassie is insane but she is no role model for young women. What she was doing was dangerous and unhealthy, I mean it got her killed eventually. John Wick was insane but he was also an assassin who had his home violated, he was beaten and his dog was killed. Killers gonna kill, it's a totally different movie. If Wick's wife was still alive, I'd say he was a dumb ass for risking his life, but he literally had nothing but revenge to live for at that point. I haven't seen this movie yet, but pretending your drunk and agreeing to be alone with a stranger is stupid and risky. You'd never go into a yard with a dog that you don't know. Having said that, I'll probably still see it. It looks like a good movie.

[@auroralaruam]

I think it's large part of that is also due to the fact that John Wick is far less grounded in realism than this movie. John Wick was basically made into an assassin as a child, had scared the mafia into calling him "the person you send to kill the boogeyman", takes down about 40 armed men at once because he's basically superhuman at this point, is basically a blank check for the writers to create deaths as stupid as killing someone with a pencil, and the cherry on the sunday is that he's doing all this because someone killed his dog (which is meant to be fairly absurd). Meanwhile, I feel like this movie is much more grounded in reality. She isn't superhuman, is doing this to try and cope with a traumatic experience that very likely hits home with the audience, is basically ruining her life in a self-destructive attempt at vengeance instead of moving forwards, and ignoring frequent pleas to just save herself insteas. Even if she *did* get vengeance at the end, it costed her any chance of returning to normalcy because she let it consume her. John Wick is a pretty thoughtless violent and fun romp that exists purely for the sake of violence and fun. Promising young woman on the other hand is a cathartic, albeit disturbing experience due to her overwhelming self destructive vengeance. I fully agree that there's a double standard, but what each movie is emphasizing is entirely different. It's like comparing the goofy silver-age comics joker to the recent gritty joker movie, you probably shouldn't be comparing them to each other in that way.

[@Patrick_Archibald]

the fact the men involved still get punished for something is what saves the ending for me. Cause it would've been easy to either do the happy ending or to do the really dark ending where they get away with it, but having everyone involved lose actually feels like a satisfying ending

[@blacktigers98]

Yes exactly! If Cassie had just died and that was that, I think I would’ve hated it, as realistic as that may be; but the fact that she did get the last word satisfies a little bit of the revenge fantasy for me personally.

[@cupid3890]

honestly if the perps all got away with it I feel like it would make it just as good since it slaps everyone in the face with what would usually happen. (the possibilities are endless!)

[@peacechickification]

When I still thought they would get away with it I was absolutely sick to my stomach. Probably wouldn’t have been able to sleep. It would have all been too painfully hyper-realistic to have to live through. I don’t think I’ve ever exhaled like when I heard those sirens.

[@jarredah]

@@peacechickification I 100% agree with you. I felt disturbed until the ending which just made me cheer. Fantastic movie

[@Xxsorafan]

I was fuming when I thought they would get away with it

[@allisonfields3108]

This isn't necessarily just related to this movie, but I have noticed a trend of male viewers watching movies with men who are antagonistic to women (whether they are villains or not) and talking about how it's cartoonish and a hollow jab at men. And then when women watch the same movie, they can relate because they've been treated like that before. It's such a blatant example of not listening to victims. Don't get me wrong, there ARE films that handle it wrong and make men into cartoonish symbols of sexism. But a theres a good chunk of the time where that's not the case and they get the same reviews anyway. Again, I don't think that's what made this movie in particular decisive and I didn't see any comments along these lines for this film. I'm just speaking on movies in general and this video made me think of that lol

[@seabreeze4559]

american psycho is a film these guys love, and has a police shootout and exploding cop car..... that's cartooonish

[@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168]

Anyone who made that complaint towards Birds of Prey is especially stupid, for many reasons but the main one being that it exists in a world (the DCEU) where heroic and decent male characters exist.

[@roastingghosts1302]

@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Honestly my feelings towards birds of prey are more on the bit that antagonists are _just_ sexist. I can totally get black mask being a piece of shit in all regards, but without any other intimidation factors aside from his sexism and sexual abuse, it feels more like a cheap way of making the targeted audience of women feel intimidated and uncomfortable. Zsaz (I think that’s how you spell it) also doesn’t really have much intimidation either. It just comes off as kind of lazy to me, like using junpscares to scare you, yes it freaks you out, but without anything to back it up, it just becomes annoying.

[@bojangles3518]

This happens to a lot of things including men. If a piece of media depicts a man getting tricked or accused by a women which causes a problem for the men, male viewers will agree/ sympathize and bring examples of similar moments but female viewers see it as bashing women in general and will claim the men who do like the media are all women haters. The problem with my example is there is not talk or social commentary or people acknowledging that it happens.

[@51stcenturygirl]

If they like action films and superhero's villains they don't have the right to call bad people in more realistic films cartoonish. And seeing how popular those two genres are it's high probability that they are...

[@annadau8612]

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.” - Judith Lewis Herman

[@roarkthehalf-orc6598]

Honestly a movie about a women killing or at least mutilating evil rapists would've been kinda cool, like a female death wish or john wick, but the way they did it is infinitely better. It's at the very least satisfying that justice got served, unlike unfortunate cases irl

[@artheaux666]

There are too many of those movies frankly I’m glad this did something different and better

[@river8142]

Dude check out hard candy or I spit on your grave if you want that kind of movie

[@jimerodriguez8332]

Have you ever watched "Baise Moi" ?by Virginie Despentes

[@coffeeandhorror]

Revenge I hear is a good one too, haven’t seen it

[@jennafer2327]

@@coffeeandhorror it is a good one.. the R scene is pretty graphic so trigger warning I tend to fast forward through those but the rest of the film is pretty good

[@amyg8176]

SPOILERS Should’ve known Bo wasn’t a ‘nice guy’ when she gave him the wrong number and he didn’t accept it as ‘no’

[@vadalia3860]

That and hitting on her at work (although I guess that might be mitigated by her being willing to spit in his coffee so she probably wouldn't be afraid to turn him down, but still- don't hit on people at work, fellas)

[@artheaux666]

Especially when he turned on her and said she should’ve told him she wasn’t interested I was so confused 😭😭 she told him no in so many ways.

[@river8142]

Oh shiiiit nice catch It's a romcom creep trope that always flies under the radar :/

[@bojangles3518]

@@artheaux666 if you ask a guy on a date and he accepts but never shows up what do you do? Do you confront him?

[@kstar1489]

@@river8142 I think that’s why they included it

[@kateedgar1662]

It's interesting that in the clip after Al strangles her, that his friend talks to him, tries to reassure and comfort him with the sort of language people should be using when someone tells them they were assaulted "this is not your fault"

[@ArturGlass.C]

Yeah I bitterly laughed at that. Especially because it was implied that if Al ever felt any glimpse of remorse about Nina it's probably what Joe said to him and how Al continued to internalize he wasn't guilty. Amazing contrast to the Madison storyline of her blaming Nina and saying it was Nina's fault. We know it can't be Al's fault, Al's such a nice dude who doesn't mean bad so of course by process of elimination it MUST be Nina. It really was an amazing depiction of how society compulsively needs to coddle men and that ends up severely damaging women as a side affect.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

But they do.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@ArturGlass.C Thats bs Society Doesn't Coddle men they accuse them of being the spawn of Satan.

[@validark]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 brock turner, look him up

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@validark I already did years ago.

[@gabriellerose1172]

i truly felt that the ending was imperfectly perfect. cassie's end was realistic and the fact that she cared about nina so much to lose everything was what stood out to me the most. i felt like giving each character flaws and making them realistic is why this movie is so divisive, since people see parts of themselves on screen that they don't typically enjoy.

[@Pumpkinseed-Sunfish]

I’m personally glad that Cassie is a kind of a self destructive character. I think it’s a lot more realistic. I know if I lost my best friend in circumstances like this, I would probably spiral just like Cassie does. I think it’s a good representation of how violence against women has ripple effects throughout our society and and how it leads us to continue to hurt each other.

[@SingingSealRiana]

exaxtly!!! Revange is always a path to self destruction, she is not moving on, she manages to contain her colateral damage and sticking to being messured with her revange, but that does not change, that she is not moving on!!!

[@msjkramey]

I was raped as a teenager. I went on a psychological revenge mission afterwards that probably hurt me as much as it hurt him, which I've never really seen before in a film. It consumed me for so long. I almost killed myself from it. I went from top of my class to college dropout. I like the note about the guy not being able to say the words and others not remembering, because the closest I ever got to admission or responsibility was "I'm sorry *if* I hurt you." Like, I was bitter about a breakup or something that small. And there's other people who I still can't forgive years later--my Pastor who let everyone slut shame me and throw me out of the Church despite me doing nothing wrong, my parents for saying that I only told them as an excuse for my shitty behavior/loss of scholarship, and myself for "letting" the situation cut me down so bad, consume me, and break me. I'm still not whole, but I want to be now and that's a huge change for me

[@annasmith6090]

Not that a stranger's words count for much but I'm so sorry this happened to you. Praying for peace and healing for you🤍

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Hey thanks so much for sharing your story. I hope you continue to get better, you're gonna do great!

[@msjkramey]

@@AmandaTheJedi thanks for sharing the movie with us. It would probably be too much for me to watch, but it's good to hear that a different take on the female revenge movie. I like that it doesn't have a happy ending because that's how it would go if you don't realize that you need to stop and move forward

[@msjkramey]

@@annasmith6090 thank you :)

[@colonelweird]

I'm sorry you were treated so terribly, and I'm furious at those who refused to believe you or treat you with the love and compassion you deserve. Your story brings tears to my eyes, but you seem to be incredibly strong. May your future be bright.

[@emilyau8023]

I thought that Cassie's death was symbolism of when someone is sexually assaulted. When a person chooses to assault someone it's like taking a pillow and suffocating them. Killing something within them and mentally changing them. While Al suffocates Cassie, he keeps saying this is your fault which deniers often say to survivors.

[@seabreeze4559]

most women would rather be murdered than raped but men rarely believe me when I tell them this

[@peacechickification]

I think she had died a long time before that.. her heart was just still beating.

[@xAutumnTwilightx]

"The kind of murder where nobody dies"

[@cvltclassic893]

Yeah and the struggle before he began smothering her where he was on top of her is deeply reminiscent of/directly symbolizes rape

[@peacechickification]

@@cvltclassic893 yeeeeeup. as a survivor it was hard to watch because what i was 'shouting' at the screen was basically what i did to get to the end of my assault.

[@nomadichomebody4230]

The whole time I was confused when everyone would say“we were kids” , they were in med school, it was 7 years ago. Not that long ago. As if they can’t remember anything from that time.

[@CreoTan]

That's part of the point--they're trying to explain away their behavior instead of actually taking responsibility for what they did/what they were a part of. Plenty of people use the excuse "It was so long ago/we were just kids/I've changed" instead of saying "I did something wrong and I'm sorry."

[@veronicapomar6010]

Oh my god I know right you guys were not kids you were in college you were adults.

[@grungophone1615]

I thought the same thing

[@deadsoon]

The ending is just realistic in my eyes. This happens every day to thousands of women and they're paid dust, their cases going cold.

[@AmandaTheJedi]

Yeah Fennell said it was really important to her to maintain realism in that moment and that while the movie is existing in a slightly heightened reality to some extent, the second Cassie tried to elevate her actions it would flip

[@neilvarma]

Al runs as a Dem and then everyone forgets is the real ending

[@najadamu2724]

Fuck... Reality hurts.

[@faynuexunqi4042]

exactly!

[@s11j02]

I especially liked that the death scene took sooo long because it shows that, yeah, smothering someone to death isn't quick, and he had PLENTY of time to calm down and not kill her, so there's absolutely no brushing that off as being "in the heat of the moment" or an accident. He chose to kill her.

[@milvache]

Carey Mulligan needs to win an Oscar for Promising Young Woman

[@rahbeeuh]

Couldn't agree more

[@justanotherpat]

Absolutely!

[@michelcomenta]

She's a Joker

[@lolsous]

My guess is that this movie is too "controversial" to get any Oscars, unlike Joker of course because destructive male rage and revenge is totally normal and unproblematic.

[@heisen-bones]

@@lolsous bruh wtf Joker was a LOT more controversial than this movie

[@marleyfrost215]

Not every man in the movie was bad. The lawyer redeemed himself to the point Cassie trusted him to take care of her mission when she was gone. I think that really spoke volumes about how men have the capacity for good and to make the right decision.

[@burntgrahamcracker2866]

@Someone 333 of course he’s good he’s mr krabs

[@shrisiva4016]

Not every man but one. Not much better is it. If the movie was gender reversed if would be seen as misgonyistic. Also your last sentence is so condescending, "omg maybe men can actual be good human beings who'd have thought!" Uh anyone who's not a misandrist would've thought that and wouldn't think it "spoke volumes".

[@idrk3707]

@@shrisiva4016 if the genders in the movie were reversed it wouldnt fucking make sense dolt. I get youre 12 and hate sjws but please grow up before trying to watch a movie with actual things to say

[@chent8817]

@@shrisiva4016 the point of what OP is saying is that the movie isn’t some kind of anti men agenda, which some men takes it away as, which made a bunch of people having to comment - this being one of them - to clarify. The comment is just trying to point out that not all the men in the movie are depicted as evil or sinister. The movie has more bad men focused because it’s trying to criticize such behavior that are unfortunately very much real and trying to make the audience realize how much damage it truly cause to victims and to their close ones. Stop being so nitpicky with comments and just take away the good moral lesson.

[@ihaxus]

@@shrisiva4016it’s to highlight evil people of sexual assault and that the people in general just treat victims of SA as the one at fault and how they normalise rape culture. This is NOT misandrist at any capacity and not only is your comment ignorant and blatant but it also shows how shallow of a human being you are.

[@Jannathejedi96]

I ADORED this film. As a survivor myself I found the descriptions of “your name surrounding her” to be so true. That’s fully how it feels. And Mulligan’s acting is incredible. Her choices are so specific and clear and he intentions are always present. I can’t recommend it more.

[@racheldeschaine]

I didn’t necessarily think her ventures gained notoriety-I thought the line about the woman with the scissors was Cassie planting a seed of paranoia to protect other women

[@Vampgurl202]

That's exactly what I thought

[@areswalker5647]

I also thought the same thing. The man recognized her and so he thought to be in power but she took back control of the situation by basically responding that it's usuless to think that he just have to avoid her and everything will be fine, that he could keep behaving like that and only had to avoid her. She wants him to feel too unsafe to replay the shit he just did to her to other women

[@interferenzbrille_2542]

Exactly. I'm positive she was lying, which is an amazing idea, because it actually might hinder people in doing horrible things to defenceless people.

[@IraserH]

And it worked lol. That guy was crying like some idiot

[@musicman757tvify]

Seeing Bo in his role,I realized why I hate his character so much. Because so does he. I would be willing to bet that part of his process in some of those scenes involves being very angry in his own head at the actions he is portraying. Who knows how to truly upset you than yourself? His performance is awesome from what I see.

[@CrazeeAdam]

mmm. Well I think actors do love to challenge themselves, especially in the opposite of how they are in real life. which is why when people play strikingly bad people, they often get either nominated or outright win Oscars (see both Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix for their roles as Joker, Daniel Day Lewis in several roles There Will Be Blood, Gangs of New York etc). So yeah, I would praise Bo for breaking away and do things he's probably not comfortable with

[@fangirl3086]

@@CrazeeAdam as someone who was a theater kid and does public shows on the side for fun I can actually agree. I hate being mean or aggressive in real life, but give me a catty and bitchy character to play and I put everything I have into it. One of my favorite characters to play when I was in drama club in high school was Ms. Katie Osborne from the improve play "Audition for Murder." She was the complete opposite of me but the moment I got my hands on the script I knew she was the character I was gonna try out for and I must have nailed it because I got the part. Probably my biggest acting role in my short career. There's just something so fun about pretending to be someone your not sometimes.

[@nachgeben]

@@fangirl3086 Plus, everyone loves playing a villain at least once in a while. Even Tom Cruise has played an asshole before.

[@KanaHyoshi]

I did theatre (I'm not a very good actor though) and I saw friends who went both ways with their characters. One friend tried to justify to me the Baker's Wife cheating on her husband. Yet, a year before, the lead of the winter play could not stand his character for cheating on his wife.

[@Hermititis]

Could be. "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" is a much lighter show, but I remember reading Samtino Fontana saying he played Greg Serrano as though the character hated himself. Playing a character as self-hating is just as valid as playing a character as fully buying into their own image or as being fully aware of who they are and hiding it.

[@greepea6669]

I cant believe that message said, "there are no good male characters" as if all movies ever haven't avoided having good female characters 😂

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

and the lawyer! to show true remorse like that! He understood he was ruining people's lives before.

[@ella12626]

Literally if Ryan had shown remorse he would have been forgiven. Like the bare minimum. All he had to do was admit his fault and apologize.

[@TheSarakania]

@@ella12626 he even got a second chance with the police investigator, but he still chose to be a bystander and not help the true victim

[@silvertamagachi]

@@ella12626 Fucking AL could've been redeemed if he'd shown remorse! The bar for these men (and women, to be fair) was so goddamn low and they tripped over it.

[@laurenlewis5907]

@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 well that doesn’t make him a good guy. He should’ve done that in the first place. We do need to recognize him for his actions and his attempts at changing for the better but it doesn’t make him a good man. It makes him a better one though

[@bambabi15]

Y’all know her and John Wick would probably see eye to eye. If he’s not crazy, neither is she

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

She is crazy & condescending.

[@ginganinjav5220]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 are you just going around to each comment on this video with your misogyny? cause that's seriously what it looks like.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@ginganinjav5220 They are called Opinions you degenerate it has nothing to do with misogyny just because you dont like it, doesn't make it sexist.

[@kyleandramae4488]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 proof that conservative have no introspection

[@user-i9z]

​@M Gagua to be fair, john wick was going around murdering other murderers; guys who were part of criminal gangs. it's sorta like john wick is the badass murder-y version with killers at both ends of the gun, while promising young woman is a more grounded story with morally questionable people at both ends of the (metaphorical) gun.

[@vegayolanda5833]

I also saw her death as some sort of metaphor for when women commit to making the people accountable for their assault. Coming forward publicly can kill their reputation, they can lose their jobs, etc. and at the end of the day, situations like this will keep happening bc the system is set up that way.

[@Kirayni]

And in many many many cases, this is the real end. That's the worst part, that if the assaulter is someone of reputation, specially with money, or is in a shady business, just trying to get some closure can mean your death.

[@vegayolanda5833]

@@Kirayni absolutely right!!

[@jamiematindi2005]

I like this analogy, hadn't thought about it like that👌🏾

[@jabyalex7868]

The thing is a lot of these situations are tricky because it's one of the worst crimes that is the hardest to get evidence for like it's hard to even make a conviction with a lack of evidence is hard to make and hard to argue for and I'd argue that people that are accused get a worse reputation and can kill off a lot of things in their lives which is a major reason why it's hard to get a conviction because false ones can destroy both people's lives in ways

[@morgan3844]

@@jabyalex7868 both of the presidents who ran in the election this past year in the US both have a plethora of assault allegations and look where they are.