Want a cool muscle car? Start with these 10 things.

[@shootermcgavin2819]

You LS swapped your car like everyone else? And its a classic car? Minus 80 points

[@maxcactus7]

""Unless you're rockin' more than 500 hp with four-wheel drum brakes, then you get plus 10 points because you are a fearless badass!" God, that just KILLED me! I laughed so hard I cried. Watched all your videos this morning and subscribed! Great information and great humor!

[@dondagy9109]

So i think it has to be also narrowed down. Plus 10 for four wheel power drums, like my car originally had, or four wheel manual drum brakes, which ive seen on so many others. Them bad boys deserve plus 20 if they got over 500 with 4 wheel manual drum brakes.

[@jeffrey4547]

funny thing is i have 600 hp with my 68 pu with drum breaks works just fine

[@lancegoulet8100]

Drums actually have more stopping power than discs. There is more surface area for drums. They just heat up faster than discs.

[@sqby78]

My 1978 chevy k20 scored a whopping 10 points. Highly doubt anyone can beat that

[@caprisun3965]

My 88 reatta got a whole 0 top that

[@ventgoblin8080]

My 85 c20 got 20 points

[@jimj3252]

Using your criteria, my 1970 Buick GSX Stage 1 scores 35 to 40 depending on the 5 point deduction for rear drum brakes. It is obvious the features which once defined a "muscle car" are now lost. I will never understand the propensity many have to take an old car and try, usually in vain, to make it a modern car. When I want a modern car, I buy a modern car. When I want a "true" muscle car...well you get my point.

[@scottpb5k835]

Jim j for president of muscle cars

[@d.e.b.b5788]

+80 points, for winning it's bracket consistently over all the rest. As I grew up, watching my neighbor's WIFE drive their Pontiac GTO Judge to routine wins over Fords, Chevys and Mopars with 'only' it's 400 cubic inch engine, I learned the value of engineers getting the most out of everything they were putting into their engines.

[@jdgreen214]

Dude my grandnational is 3.8 and pretty badass.

[@devianb]

If that V8 is a 305 then deduct 10 points.

[@duster0066]

-15 for a 351M. I crewed an SCCA AS Camero. 305s can haul butt real good actually.

[@blueeyeswhiteguy3399]

@@duster0066 A 305 is a great motor for daily driving. My 85 Camaro has one and it was my daily throughout high school.

[@DaxxTerryGreen]

Zackly

[@JDHitchman]

My 68 Camaro scored 85 points but only because I don't like engine parts sticking out of the hood. I prefer the functional Cowl Induction.

[@AutoGuild]

Im the same way about the hood. : ) 85 is legit! Well done.

[@waynem4388]

Your test is flawed. My 87 Buick Grand National didn't hit 50 points. It is a certified bad ass muscle car, it just did it differently.

[@AutoGuild]

That is concerning as the Grand National is a legit badass car, especially for its time! But maybe not a pure muscle car? Plus, in some ways the test is more of a Pro-Touring test. Perhaps I should have added a few more questions to the test. Maybe I will re-make it based on user feedback.

[@alexv.100]

@@AutoGuild i dont agree with 1971-2003 for 0 pts! And not only because i have an 80s (just a pony, soon to b a warhorse ;) ), but because 70s had pretty badass muscle cars/trucks as well

[@chrisgeorge6321]

I'd say it's a 90 point test because lowered cars are stupid

[@user-cl6dz7tw4o]

In the real world, people tell me that my 1978 Trans Am is Bad Ass all the time. Freshly-rebuilt Pontiac 400 with correct modifications, adding HP and making it what it should have been to begin with. Sometimes, exceeding 500 HP is not necessary for a good cruising car like a 78 TA. 400+ HP, headers, custom exhaust, glistening black twilight paint, red decals, split exhaust tips, a thumping cam, and lots of great original attributes overall. It never gets old when I roll up to the gas pump. "Hey man, that is one bad ass ride!"

[@carlcasanova6976]

Red Devil deductions: -5 for no engine through hood, so 95. I'll bet the ride height is greater than 4" since Mark's builds have a ton of functionality built into them. It's an awesome build, as are all of his creations.

[@FACEBOOKS-WBDS]

I agree I scored 10 less but, I think mine trumps his,,,but I'm bias.....lol facebook.com/photo?fbid=10153980604011155&set=a.412394081154

[@recoverinyankee6458]

@Auto Guild, you missed three, very important muscle car categories: * exhaust note from a choppy cam, * type of rims/wheels, and * whether the car is "jacked up" (i.e., "rake").

[@wadebuff4465]

Excellent Criteria. Well Done A+ My old 77 AMC Hornet scored " Zero" which is exactly 💯 percent right. It was a Zero. Model Year should include 5pts for LS1 4th Gen's 1998-2002 as they played a major factor in the early years of the 2nd Golden Era of High Performance

[@duster0066]

45 or 50 for my Duster I disagree with the year cut off. But I think it deserves another 20 because it is a full SCCA SPO track car on the street. Gutted with a full 25 point DOM cage, 2 Kirky seats, and Simpson belts. Lakewood, Mopar, Wilwood and a custom clutch bearing does the clutch. Wilwood and a Speedway modified rear disc kit do the brakes. 1:2 steering quickener by Howe iirc, Custom (by me) road race wet sump 11 total quarts with a 3 qt accumulator and cooler. The oil pan is so damn cool I made drawings and patterns so I can repeat it. Onboard halon system I built myself with a control valve for the option of dumping it all on the motor. An escape hatch with a quick pin release system painted and setup like an ejection handle. I built a full lower body foot box to keep the ol legs pointed straight in a wreck. I built a loose fuel dam between the rear firewall and seat so if fuel gets past the rear firewall it is trapped in the rear floor pan so it can't go under the seat and into the foot box. The fuel cell lines, pump, filter and electrics are designed to move with the cell for a large displacement wreck without tearing any of it. Fuel Safe 22 gal FIA cell. The fuel cell is in it's own cage. The rear deck lid pins are designed to shear if the cell blows up giving the gas somewhere to go except through the firewall. The fairings in the trunk are straight cardboard so they will blow out in an explosion. Custom honey comb material for all body fairings and interior panels, instrument and switch mounts. LED instrument panel indicator lights. Reset aviation circuit breakers on the instrument panel. My red flood light dimmer is from a Boeing 727. Lots of small parts are 727. 4 wheel discs with a Wilwood balance bar master cylinder mounted in the cabin. Polyurethane everywhere. Race springs and shocks. Custom adjustable sway bars. Custom adjustable large rear spoiler, and honey comb air dam with brake ducts. The whole front of the car is sealed. I get my oil cooler air from the right headlight bucket. It has an anti Porsche ram built under the rear bumper. It will cave the front end of a Porsche if it knifes under the rear before it can get to the fuel cell. But it's light because it's made from muffler pipe. The only glass is a DOT windshield and rear for aero but either can be removed in a few minutes. The doors are gutted and trimmed inside, but other wise fully functional because the SCCA requires they open. Interior trim is Cenconite aircraft wing covering cloth. It glues on, shrinks tight with an iron, weights less than a shirt, and paints like anything else. My lock when I park it is the steering wheel. I take it with me. And it's a legal driven street car. Runs on 91. 3.89s for get up and go, and an overdrive to go 160. You gotta be my size and be comfortable peeking just over the hood to drive it. The seat is LOW and raked. It weighs 3300 lb. 52/48 weight dist which aint bad for stock geometry. I'm an airplane mechanic and everything is done the way it's done on airplanes. I put every trick I ever learned into that car. I only have 20 grand in it. It's a bass ass Street Stock class stock car with a cheater motor, suspension, and brakes. No damn stereo or heater. If it rains you get wet. But it does have wipers with custom links to clear the master cylinders behind the panel. It's worth 70 points.

[@davidschultz1127]

My cts-v coupe made the ultimate badass car category. 75 or 80 I lost count trying to find the score for my g8 too lol

[@aussieausdeutschland4245]

@@oldschool2942 you got the VE Commy SS... Are you going to put the proper Holden Commodore badges back on?

[@FreddyFunderbunz]

If you have to Google your ride height then u obviously haven't done shit to your car. Also, will my grade transfer to a community college?

[@AutoGuild]

I meant more for people with modern cars, some cars can sit pretty low right out of the box. It will transfer for some schools, but I'd double check with your school counselor. : )

[@hornetbrown]

There ought to be credit for appearance and certain options, like the car has a custom paint job or custom exhaust, or it has a sunroof or it's a convertible.

[@captainzoll3303]

so a late model XR6 turbo falcon gets 35 points, and a standard rolls royce silver shadow gets 40 points?

[@AutoGuild]

Ha, I know its not perfect. But its designed mostly for muscle cars too.

[@randysrestoration]

No extra points for 8.85L all aluminum Boss 429 with Twin Turbo's AND EFI?

[@AutoGuild]

There should be right? That sounds wicked. 540 cubic inches! Hey that turbo six in the truck looks pretty cool.!

[@randysrestoration]

Auto Guild i call it my 8.85L EcoBoost The 450/510 Raptor crate engine w 10R80 is in my ‘66 short bed. 3 other Eco powered ‘66 trucks in process.

[@triumph928]

A lot of badass 78-88 G-Body's. You totally eliminated them with your year cut off.

[@brandonarizmendez4143]

I know my original 87 Monte ss scored a 15 😂 and I always turn heads💀

[@SonicFury62]

For a guy who loves LS so much your date criteria kills off the LS1 (and f-bodies)! Thanks for the fun video

[@richardfry7891]

so your saying my stock 96 LT4 Collectors Editions is not even worth owning by your book

[@TheKillWizard]

I'm at 70 with a 68 (four-door) Dodge Polara with just over 500 HP racing build 440. I'm going to lower it a little more for that 10 extra points. 🙂 Fun Video, great work.

[@IamIsrael_969]

I know I'm late , My 1970 Chevelle scored a 90. I got zero on hood scope, great video 👍🏽

[@OdysseusMcNobody]

I have a 5.0 crowd killer, but i will always rank my first Camary above all else. She was a 1998 but i swear she drove herself and always got me home 🥲

[@mr.fourspeed2007]

75 points for my 71 Plymouth roadrunner. 630 hp big block 4 speed air grabber and a six pack.

[@grantbierlmeier7641]

2005 CL55Kompressor - 75 points... some mods but it’s big, low(adjustable ride height) sounds great with exhaust and supercharger whine and it can fit in at the best hotels or at a street race. Also uses the legendary M113k engine. German muscle car.

[@frankw7266]

Sweet.... 65 points for my 2005 C6 Z51. The cam/exhaust/intake gives me the extra 5pts for 500+hp... I'll be damned if I'm sticking anything out of the hood 🤣🤣

[@heinrichgerhardt6119]

Awww, my Frankengoat only got 70 points. Time for upgrades!

[@AutoGuild]

70 is still a solid score!

[@DaxxTerryGreen]

Zackly what my Camaro got. I need to lower her and add a supercharger

[@SamuelHollandsh]

Even though my old Camaro doesn't top any list, let me tell you a little: it was a 1997 30th anniversary Corvette package Camaro z28. Lt1 w/ six speed manual. It had 30th stiched in the seats. Ten" on front and twelves on the back. I can't remember exactly tires I purchased but the guy I bought from had put the biggest new that would fit. When I got it, they needed replacing; I bought used (long story), I attempted the first tires I picked for the rear wouldn't fit; I settled for a little smaller than the previous tires. They were about as wide as my front seats. The car had a non-funtional cowl hood from the factory with z-28 on each side. I had to let go due to a difficult situation at the time but still miss today. Thanks for sharing!

[@AutoGuild]

Was it this one? www.hagerty.com/media/buying-and-selling/ebay-find-1997-camaro-ss-anniversary-edition/

[@SamuelHollandsh]

@@AutoGuild Hi, thx for replying; it was similar, but the one I owned was a z-28 30th anniversary. It did not have any SS logo. The hood on mine was a cowl induction looking hood(from the driver's seat you couldn't miss the cowl) that had z-28 on the sides. I believe the wheels were the same except the color and mine had the Corvette logos for the center caps. The car had 30th anniversary stiched in all the seats. I'm sure this might be the same on all of them but the car was fiberglass except the roof and quarter panels. The headlights were the same. I would think these cars were pretty similar. I thought I seen one other like the car I had locally at the University where I live & other than that I've never seen another like it exactly. The color was like a maroon color w black interior. I had z-28 logos where his Ss logos are.

[@AutoGuild]

@@SamuelHollandsh Sounds cool. If you could find a similar one someday it would be the perfect candidate for a wild LS swap!

[@540merlin]

My 69 Camaro SS 540 scored 80 points as did my 70 Corvette 540. Interestingly, my 1980 Unimog 406 monster truck (the slowest vehicle ever built) scored 25 points.

[@dougarnold2121]

My 350z actually made the list. Thanks👍

[@scruffy5119]

4:02 nah I like the leaf spring shackles on my 67 mustang with the rear air shocks up give the high rear low front look

[@RabeHighPerformance]

I got a highly modify 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix LE with Schwartz chassis with 14 inch front disc brakes with 6 piston calibers on the rear 13 inch breaks with 6 piston calibers. It has 3 way adjustable coil overs. Engine is a Butler performance twin turbo 535 cubic inch Pontiac v8 with a 6 speed manual with a hurst shifter. The car only weigh at 3000 pounds.

[@ragtopdeluxezl1]

Right out of the box, the 5th Gen ZL1...Badass! Add all the bolt on performance parts and stroked... Yes I am very happy! I scored a 85 ... engine is tucked under the hood...ground clearance is probably a bit more than 4 in. and the Model year... The hood is functional it just doesn't grab air for the intake so i took 5 points.

[@graybeardsage]

My fox body 86 TBird track toy scored 50 and my 2008 Vette scored 60. But guess which one gets more attention at a gas station? There should have been a categories for exhaust sound. Cam lope with race bullets +10. Factory idle with quiet mufflers 0.

[@Diesel.452]

I think the year range should have went to 74 when the motors shrunk but I'm biased with a 71 Chevelle. It did beat my truck by 15 to 25 points depending on if rear tire width for duals is additive or not. I mean 4x235s in the back is more rubber than 2x305s.

[@mr.christopherp.4851]

The gasser style is most definitely badass ! And that aint low for anyone who doesn't know what a gasser is... look it up

[@smittysmits7488]

Well I have a badass 2006 regular cab Silverado. A supercharger and Eaton TrueTrac diff put me over the hump. Thanks for the fun!

[@AutoGuild]

Sounds like a fun truck! Regular car too! Nice.

[@markmurrell3875]

2013 Challenger SRT8 scored 70. 295/35R20 Nitto Invo's just missed 5 more points, future nitrous system will get 5 more when it happens. Already enough mods to reach 500 HP.

[@caprisun3965]

My caprice scored a 55 but that's inaccurate because it doesn't even run right now

[@dh66]

My 69 Camaro scored a 70. Bigger brakes, tires and a supercharger that pokes out the hood gives it 100, but if I kept the nitrous, wouldn't that be a score of 105?

[@tommartin7026]

I'd give anything to have a 55 Nomad, also love the 67 72 wagons, its been a dream car of mine for ever !!! Sweet, scored 55

[@rolandobarreto8132]

What about transmissions? I have a 73' Cougar with a Boss 351 cleveland and a T10 4spd what is that worth?

[@pontiacbob99]

You own a Camaro ,and you did not grade the 2019 ZL1 1LE. I think it should be a 70-80.

[@ShadowWolfIA]

1966 Ranchero currently mean at 55 points but when finished should be 95-100

[@mustpaike]

Good to know that my Mark VIII has a maximum potential of 55 while still retaining a relatively sleeper look. On another note My Mark as it is now, scores 20, while my Expedition scores 30.

[@MarkVanWey]

1965 GMC Suburban got 50 points. If I only had a hood scoop!

[@seamusclarke2366]

I flipped the air cleaner lid on my c1500… that’s a power adder right?

[@Talon-6]

I'm just Starting my build witch is my dad's first car and was past down to me and it's a 74 plymouth duster with a 340 magnum and I will have this car at Altamont badassery lol minus slaming it not a fan of muscle cars being slammed to the ground

[@wheel7578]

2009 cts v i rated a 80, i have a scoop, but nothing sticking out & dont function

[@alcam4226]

Are you doing one for an import??

[@AutoGuild]

I could, I'll have to think about that. Thanks for the tip!

[@alcam4226]

Auto Guild I saw you put the 350z but ranked it low! You can’t compare the two! That’s like comparing a banana to a cucumber lol.

[@AutoGuild]

@@alcam4226 I know, that was kinda the point. I may do a tuner test or something similar, let me think about that. BTW, love the 350Z, I had a 2003! : )

[@strategicbushcraft6391]

You should give minus 10 points for a 115HP 267 V8. It makes a Toyota Prius seen fast.

[@squid667]

If I add all of my 4 cars together I get exactly 0 points. If drum brakes in the rear takes away 5 points we end up at -15.

[@fishsquishguy1833]

A Shaker hood scoop on a Ford, Trans Am or Mopar should be 10pt Original MC years should extend to 1971 on some models and 74 on Pontiac TAs. Seemed other than compression, someone at Pontiac missed the GM memo?

[@scaleworksRC]

Welp, mine only scored 40 but other people tell me my car is badass, so I guess that qualifies.

[@LudwigBeefoven]

My 2015 Dodge Charger Police pack scored 35. Cool!

[@Chuckles9191991]

My 67 GTO scored a 75, pretty good for an old GOAT. Do I get extra points for having Twin Super Chargers? If so maybe I scored 80-85.

[@f143744]

My C7 Corvette Stingray, Z51Convertible is only 60 points? Your scorecard points are 0-5-10 per category, how do you get a 61+. It can only go as 5’s, simple math, next time take your shoes off so you can count. You’ve proven my point again, anyone can make a KZbin Video...you’re a legend in your own mind.

[@my1vice]

So a 55 for a '70 Cougar with a Cobra Jet...... Seems low.

[@showmethedammovie]

Stance is wrong. Nose down is classic drag race styling. You got gassers that sit high and other cars that sit high. It's just opinion and preference.

[@elhardtrealestate3937]

Oof - my '68 Camaro with a 2-barrel 327 and 2-speed powerglide scored a 15 after a heavy (but justified) deduction for drum brakes -( agreed that drum + 500 hp is a points adder, however! LOL) - Score of 15...Toyota Camry turf...oof again! LOL. Very much looking forward to your swap series... I am in a tragic stage of life without a '68 Camaro and I hope to change that status soon...

[@guywiegand9805]

71 Plymouth 500 bb. Crazy power. Cover car feb 1983 hot rod mag. (Repowered)

[@BlackTownie999]

My Lincoln only scored 40, lol, However with 16" Ford HPP wheels, and Toyo Proxes R888R tires I can get a higher score....Can I get a few points for it being a Mob classic? I mean it will never win a race, but it wont have to if the other driver is locked in my trunk!

[@kichigaisensei]

Gotta call bullshit on this. My Fox body 5.0L Mustang scored only 25 while my 2016 Escalade scored 45.

[@alexanderchristo3857]

My 67' 327ci El Camino got 40 points and my 72' 472ci Coupé Deville got the same score as my 2006 Peugeot 307 winter beater with rod knock (20 points), thats just sad

[@MikeHicksTheTrombonePlayer]

according to your criteria, I got a 90 with my 70 El Camino, 496, 700 hp, 345s on back, 4 disc brakes, ....

[@AutoGuild]

Respect!

[@davidfinkelstein7986]

Gee, my 1978 Triumph Spitfire only scored a 10 and that is because it is so low to the ground. That's ok I love how it handles a tight autocross course.

[@AutoGuild]

I love small light sports cars! I need to do a sports car test video!

[@aussieausdeutschland4245]

The Muscle Car Era Never stopped Mate!... at least in Australia till the last of the Falcon's and Commodore's rolled off the assembly line in Melbourne and Adelaide in 2017 and 2018 respectively. Hell if it wasn't for the Aussies there wouldn't have been a reborn Camaro or GTO. Btw, my Falcon scored 50. And isn't finished yet. Once I find the time to finish and the exact parts(EL Falcon GT brakes) there's another 10, and the turbo bolted on another 10. You cannot look just within your borders... yes the Germans have produced bad arsed mf Muscle Cars, as did Australia and South Africa.

[@mikev.7361]

scored a proper 60 pts on my '64 Ranchero

[@elefantpee]

The gospel according to who...?

[@revbarcus]

Dang only 45... Should have bought that diff! I think you should have included rims!

[@Thumper68]

My 68 Camaro stops great on 245 and anything wider wouldn’t work since it will touch on inside just little

[@dh66]

Same. Gotta remove inner fenderwells to fit 275's and not be lowered to the max.

[@Thumper68]

@@dh66 yeah I definitely won’t be removing my inner fenders ever lol. My cars matching numbers with 110k miles on it

[@dominicbarker1183]

so what about the interior wouldn't that tip in on how badass a muscle car would be

[@davidbalentine2110]

2015 Z/28 = 85. if I figured correctly. Ultimate badass muscle car. And... it corners!

[@kitdinker]

Shaker Hood Scoop should be 7.5 points.

[@billyg632]

My stock 07 mustang gt scored only 30 points, no points for the fake factory hood scoop sadly.

[@chuckc662]

What about functional hood louvers 3rd gen Camaro

[@BoostnLT1]

My TransAm didn’t do to bad with a score of 70. The only question I scored a zero on was #7 no power adder☹️lol

[@r8alvar]

i got 35 ooinrs with my 96 z28 with 315 tires in the back

[@brandonarizmendez4143]

My original 87 Monte SS got like 15 or 20 and I always break necks 😂😂😂💀💀💀

[@justinlanglais9825]

WOW !!! How the heck did you miss the C6 Z06 Vette ???

[@charliefrisbie3764]

68 Charger Done Right Should score REALLY High,IMHO

[@arnbo88]

I can tell that you are young and inexperienced. Please look up the Australian Chrysler Valiant E49 Charger. In 1972 this fastback could burn the quarter mile in 14.3 seconds and top out at 135 mph. All this using a 265 cubic inch six cylinder with triple weber carbies. It had a shortened wheel base and a hemispherical head giving it over 300 HP.

[@kennymcquinkiss8292]

1959 Ford Thunderbird 352 special question 1 5 Points question 2 question 2 V8 1 0 points question 3 stock tires 0 points question 4 hood scoop 5 points question 5 drum brakes all around including the rear-10 question 6 very low ground clearance 10 points question 7 no power adders 0 points question number 8 differential one-wheel peel 0. Question 9 300 horsepower Five Points question 10 model year before 1964 0.. well it looks like I get 30 points for my 1959 Ford Thunderbird. The only problem I have is with your list is some of these cars all you have to do is have the money to buy them. I don't really consider it a totally badass car if you bought it off the showroom floor and didn't build it yourself. But I guess everybody has their own idea of what badass is

[@aeharris64]

MY 64 impala 327 300 hp made the list at 45 mean yes sir

[@ThisValiantAdventure]

So a 1971 Hemi’Cuda gets ZERO points based on its year of manufacture? That’s incredibly dumb. Muscle car era started winding down in ‘71, but there were still brilliant cars being produced.

[@ryand4000]

If I didn’t lose so many points to drum brakes I’d have one bad ass car 🤣😂

[@BadAssEngineering]

My Silverado is basic transportation :(

[@paulhelman2376]

Six speed stick adds 10. Other stick 5 automatic 0

[@paulhelman2376]

Transmission should be in this

[@andrewramero4560]

When your car has 498 horsepower

[@Treadondeez]

My 91 454SS got 40 and my 96 Impala SS got 50 and its supercharged 😐

[@f150chevelle]

I guess my 1972 chevelle not bad ass enough lol didn't make the year part 🤣

[@outlawm4]

Ok this was funny I have a 70 plum crazy hemi cuda with nascar heads 671 blower dana 60 running a quick change diff from 4:10 to 5:83 dual rear kelsey's haynes rear disk brakes no front brakes street legal never trailered. I also own a 1969 dodge dart with a 273 and 410 hp to the rear wheel so that 6 cyl description of 0 points don't hold true

[@brendangray4986]

My stock 82 trans am is just "basic transportation" :(

[@racerdeuce417productions4]

You can take pretty much any of the street outlaws and get a 100 my personal car a 1970 Chevy nova got a 65

[@pax.ultimas5537]

my maserati ghibli trofeo scored 60 points.

[@joshuabell6476]

So you're saying an original Jet black 63 galaxie 500 would only score 25? Sure. If you say so.