WaPo Report: Ukraine BARELY TRAINING Conscripts!

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[@Andrei1983N]

How can I contact you? I have help for Ukraine

[@christophseidl1532]

Awww... they're not shipping that to Germany :(

[@pajeni8598]

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[@AB-nu5we]

Civ Div in his latest post, describes Ukrainian soldiers who became night time Russian artillery targets because they hadn't been trained to know proper light discipline and were walking down a path with their flashlights on. The group made it to safety. But shortly after, another group of Ukrainian soldiers did the exact same thing, became artillery targets because they used a flashlight at night while following a path. Come on Ukraine...I've said it before, I'll keep saying it: No More Unforced Errors. You don't have the manpower to loose.

[@Evirthewarrior]

While losing soldiers is never good, they still haven't lowered their conscription age to 18, It only recently went to 25. They have 18-24 year old men and women that they haven't even attempted to draft. Russia has been conscripting 18 year olds since forever, and last year raised the maximum age from 27 to 30. The Russians have gutted their younger generation with this war and are having to try to get the older men because they are running low on young ones. The older you are, the more time you have to have gotten injured, sick, or developed mental illness that prevents military service.

[@JohnCSmith-lp1qr]

They have no chance against Russia

[@Evirthewarrior]

@@JohnCSmith-lp1qr I mean Russia, may win the war in 50 years with the rate of advance they are going. "no chance" IDK why people give Russia so much credit, they are not the USSR of WW2. They are the equivalent of Iraq of the 80s.

[@mattgbam]

@@Evirthewarrior You’re mistaken. Russia is NOT conscripting anyone. Basically except the first draft there are no more conscripts.

[@Wowwhataswing]

They have a lot more manpower the media has been lying about that a lot something like 1.3 million in reserves lol and lots of others in training already and Ukraine hasn’t even gone down to 18 yet for the draft

[@Dingdangdoo]

Glide bombs and artillery don’t discriminate between trained and poorly trained soldiers.

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

Sometimes you just need boots in the trenches.

[@tysk5729]

They dont discriminate allot but they deffenetly do a litle Untrained/poorly trained people are more likely to do dumb shit wich makes them a target

[@juliansilva5272]

@Isamuuuu that's the thing, IF you can. It's clear that doing so is a lot harder than it was just a couple of years ago. scout drones are a huge asset precisely because of how hard they are to detect or jam now.

[@cat_city2009]

Yes, but trained soldiers have more survivability and can actually fight effectively if engaged. Untrained soldiers are just targets.

[@clintmarina]

This isn’t true! I know for a fact that recruits in Ukraine are receiving a minimum of 8 weeks basic training and additional training after being assigned to whatever specialty they are assigned. My brother in law just finished 8 weeks of basic and is now receiving training in forward reconnaissance

[@safeprisonoffice6259]

It’s not standard. These are conscripts . Is ur brother in law a conscript?

[@clintmarina]

@@safeprisonoffice6259 yes

[@clintmarina]

@@safeprisonoffice6259 I had heard these rumors before. I talked to him several times during his 8 weeks, and the training he was receiving is comparable to what we receive here. Now he is in recon training, and been there 2 weeks so far

[@AlexAnder-dh8qz]

@@safeprisonoffice6259 There is no difference between conscripts and contract fighters in Ukraine right now, they have the same training requirements. Only direct recruiting by some named combat units make real difference (and I really hope this practice will become a main vector, because people recruited this way always get the proper and specialized training even if it's only 8 weeks, which usually enough for a start with proper instructors). Yet, there are some training units and officers, who actually can work with paper, not people, they can't teach and they sometimes produce undertrained units. I believe, WP just gathered different extreme cases and put them on the table without any system analysis.

[@peterpanini96]

You should stop spreading lies... 😂

[@debrutomeyer9117]

The absolute minimum training, to my mind, and assuming the trainers and ammo is there, is 3 months, and that is REALLY pushing it.

[@Evirthewarrior]

That is about what the US was doing in the mid 2000s during OIF and OEF. Deploying brand new privates to the already deployed units in the middle of their deployment, right after they in processed.

[@juhanivalimaki5418]

Infantry trained for 3 months? That's not absolute minimum. 3 months is 90 days. Which skills take more than one day to start? What are all the minumum things you think you have to teach?

[@debrutomeyer9117]

@@juhanivalimaki5418 No, it’s 3 months minimum. Only thereafter can a measure of specialisation begin under normal circumstances . This also includes infantry which one would think requires only minimum training.

[@sfertonoc]

​@@juhanivalimaki5418 Basic was about 9-10 weeks for me plus 4 weeks if you went infantry, if I remember correctly... plus 4 months if you were doing aviation maintenance as a "POG".... I really think that if contractors build weapons , we should let private contractors build soldiers too. After 13 weeks in infantry training, go to some PMC for additional 2-4 weeks hard-training building one into a weapons team. Too much bureaucracy with top down BS in the Army. Need to change the culture to the one of Weapons School or Top Gun but at all the other MOS, and put the PMCs in charge. Military instructors, except for some special forces or experienced ones, SUCK. They push their bueaucrat good ol boy club promotion BS instead of true skills based guerrilla like team organization.

[@johnlueck7606]

My USMC boot was 12 weeks, and I can still disassemble a assemble an M14 in a pitch dark room, it impressed my Marine grandson, did two tours in Vietnam 66 and 68.

[@A_Qwynide]

Marine Corps is 5 months, and even then when you hit your unit you basically know 2+2 skills and need to get up to trigonometry real fast

[@TheLAGopher]

True.But Ukraine is actually being invaded and short cuts to throw warm bodies into the fight, is to be expected to some degree. In WW2 and Vietnam,the US Army and Marine Corps cut recruit training days, and had to make up for less actual training by upping the severity of the discipline to deal with the influx of draftees who didn't want to be there. During the Korean War,US Marines were sent into combat without even attending recruit training,much less infantry training school. Training was conducted on their transport ships on the way to South Korea.

[@jimmystrickland1034]

My uncle was a recruiter during the 2nd gulf war.. they specifically looked for the lower IQ individuals for combat roles, and ex felons off paper. Normal rational thinking people didn’t get combat roles. Facts. My uncle served in the NAM.

[@TestUser-cf4wj]

​@@jimmystrickland1034Not all "felons off paper" are brainless thugs. Some of them are _very_ smart. It really depends on the age and kind of felon. Drug dealers and violent offenders, probably pretty dim. Financial crimes? Other end of the spectrum.

[@whiskey4o4]

​@@TestUser-cf4wj ah, yes. rehabilitation.

[@TheDoorspook11c]

If I said boot was cut to 8 weeks during the Vietnam War would ya be suprised? I don't think so.

[@CM-ey7nq]

This is a bit worrying. Even as a conscript in a small European military I could dissaemble and reassemble my weapon with my eyes closed after a few weeks. AG, HK416, Glock. Maybe time for Macron to live up to his bravado and send some French trainers?

[@AlexAnder-dh8qz]

Well, this part looks strange, because the process to learn at least basics of assembling-disassembling takes from 30 minute to 2 hours, then just daily drill. I never disassembled AK or AR15 myself, but have basic understanding of it and sure I can figure rest put in 20 minutes myself, with trainer even faster - then daily drill will do the trick of remembering of every move. This means, situation is likely possible only if person was in military service as conscript years back and it's expected that basic skill is there. But some people were in military service for 1-2 year long before 2014 time, when nobody expected the war and some support units actually did no real training of their soldiers, rather used them as cheap workforce, security for old-old military objects, drivers, comm specialists and officer assistants. Now all those people are trained soldiers on paper and I can believe that some of them were sent without confirmation of their stated qualification directly to combat units. Unfortunately, there are idiots and lazy officers in every army of the world, especially the ones who work far behind the frontlines.

[@bluecollarcanuck]

A BIT worrying? That's downright fucking scary. The bare minimum in Canada is 9 weeks, and everyone goes through it, regardless of future trade or element- Navy, Air Force, or Army. I still remember by heart how to operate every weapon I was taught on, from the Carl Gustav 84mm to the C7 rifle to the C9 LMG (the M249 SAW), and I got out of the service better than 20 years ago.

[@Omni_Shambles]

Aww diddums. Does baby need permission from daddy to fwire the big bwad wockets? 🤣🤡

[@karlvonbahnhof6594]

Yes, it is worrying because it's such a basic thing, everyone in the army MUST master....I was a conspript (medic) in 1999-2000 in Czech army... There was a time limit, to disassemble and reassemble the rifle VZ58, I think it was one minute, but after some training, you could do much faster, even in darkness

[@BrownBabyJesus]

Have you not seen the video of the man screaming "je suis francais" and "ne le fais pas" before he receives a Russian boot? There is also footage of a gravely wounded Frenchmen being saved by Russian soldiers and it is alleged that part of his wounding was carried out by his fellow Ukrainian fighters to finish him off before they ran away. Macron's bravado likely lags behind his actions, the bravado is more laying the ground work for explaining how people already there came to be dead.

[@ticthak]

Back in the 1960s, grunts would get 6 weeks training and then be shipped to SE Asia. Maybe not into combat, but then, we weren't trying to actually defend something important to us. When it comes down to it, does anyone doubt there wouldn't be thousands of volunteers on Day 1 of an invasion here? Then, assuming the worst attrition of the early responders and then the slower, more methodical organized military, the country would have to face exactly what Ukraine has had to do- take whoever they can, however they can, and if the DoD is ineffective, it would devolve to local/regional militia level doing all THEY could.

[@georgemartin1383]

Why would I protect this country when I could be the "good Iraqi" and just mind my own business?

[@jeffbreezee]

When I joined the Marines in 1984, I had 84 days of basic training and another 8 weeks of combat engineer training.

[@GanymedeXD]

And? How can this be compared? You were not conscripted in the midst of a war going on against your country.

[@rabiatorthegreat6163]

German conscript from the 1980s here. "Schmidt said he spent the first week with soldiers transferred from rear posts, just making sure everyone fired at last one box of bullets per day". Depending on the size of the boxes, that might have been more shooting practice in a week than I had throughout my three months of basic training in the Bundeswehr (German Army).

[@stevelloyd5621]

in my training I fired 40 rounds, then most airmen would shoot 20-40 rounds per year. I was lucky I was an LMG gunner and fired 60 to 90 rounds per month for 3 years then down to 20 rounds per year ..

[@BrownBabyJesus]

As a 1980's conscript did you actually take part in a conflict? It's not like firing an extra 100 boxes would help anyone withstand 1500/500/250kg bombs, thermobaric warheads, minefields and waves of cheap drones.

[@rabiatorthegreat6163]

@@BrownBabyJesus Nope, but the purpose of having an army at all is to be prepared if your neighbor invades you. At least back then, my unit sucked at it.

[@stevelloyd5621]

if you want to know what happens when you don't train your conscripts.... look at the Russian army over the last year

[@jimmystrickland1034]

From what I’ve seen and heard is those call of duty players over there, are the ones winning paydirt. 1000s of hours of simulation training pays off.

[@mrjerzheel]

Russian reserves have already done 12 months service

[@Zack_Wester]

that said you don't need as much training holding a trench. Russia is sending poorly trained conscripts to attack.

[@andrewballard2783]

@@Zack_WesterMost casualties are from artillery and drones so it's quite clear emergency medical is a more necessary skill.

[@markomicovic5308]

The Russian army is actually doing very well. There are always problems in the war, the Russians have them too, but they hold 20% of the territory of Ukraine without any problems and make a little progress almost every day. No matter what the propaganda tells you, they are fighting an army that is equipped by everyone and has everything. It is true that they have about 1.2 to 1.5 more casualties than the Ukrainians, but that is because they attack and the Ukrainians defend themselves.

[@bryandow2827]

When WW1 broke out Britisn had an experienced professional army, so much so that the Germans thought the British were armed with machine guns due to speed and accuracy of rifle fire in 1914. A few year later.....high casualties lead to training for conscipts had been Fast Tracked and lesser trained troops with a slower rate of fire were sent out to war. Ukraine is trying to conscript, Train and arm men while fighting an enemy that can conscript thousands of troops, hire troops from Nepal, India, Cuba, etc whose generals idea of casualties are scary. Its gonna be tough as Ukraine was also hit with ammo shortages as well.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

It sounds like they started a mobilization effort without the necessary organizational infrasrucure in place.

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

Trying to quickly match the Russian efforts to mobilise another 100k recruits/meat. Both sides losing horrific amounts of soldiers.

[@clive4949]

Not everyone is of combat able. Just as special forces have the top 1% of combat willing. If someone is conscripted and states they don't want to fight. There are cooks, drivers, border control, repair/service. Nobody wants someone who will just hide when needed in a firefight. They can serve and contribute to the military.

[@N0tBritneyspears]

And unfortunately, this is why Ukrainian men don’t want to fight. I know men who have fought and would- if it was done properly. They don’t want to this way.

[@N0tBritneyspears]

And they do put them in jail but they also grab them by the ankles and take them. If a man says no, they’re still taken. The videos are gutting. 💔

[@clintmarina]

@@N0tBritneyspears and they don’t “put them in jail”….. 🤣 The maximum penalty is fine of 8,500 hryvnias

[@invadingomen6826]

@@clintmarinaI don’t believe you have any actually connection to Ukraine. Your just another war mongering liar

[@ARG_ON18]

Can't confirm regarding the details, but overall trend is really shitty. From what I've heard from my mobilized friends, they don't spend much time learning anything. My classmate go to the frontlines 2 month after being mobilized. He got wounded after less than a month on the frontlines. And now the training is being cut to only 1.5 month. I'm being mobilized too soon, so we will see how the thing really are

[@UFO-Ark]

Do you think any women will be mobilised ?

[@homeygfunkoffacherryfruitl4971]

Might wanna start studying up on some soldiering skills on your own time then. Ideally if you can get a copy of the US's Ranger Handbook that'll have a lot of useful stuff in it. Good luck.

[@dzonikg]

If i were you i would run somewhere far away ,only who will benefit after war will be one who were far away from war ,they say when you die in war you are just a number but in this war you are not even and number becase both sides hide military casualties like top secret

[@clintmarina]

You will get 8 weeks minimum

[@ARG_ON18]

@@clintmarina It has been shortened to only 6 weeks recently

[@dawnofthewalkers4915]

I know when I joined the U.S. army I was a 13Bravo (artillery) and my basic and AIT training lasted over 5 months.

[@ShiaOnKick]

Youre being honest about this: kudos. Youre going to get pushback. You cant condense basic training into 1 month.......they are barely in fighting shape after 1 month much less effective.

[@clintmarina]

The bare minimum is 8 weeks for conscripts, this story is BS, I have several family members who’ve been through the training, and my wife’s younger brother (a conscript) is now in his 10th week of training. 8 weeks of basic in Mykolaiv and now he is scout-reconnaissance training in Chernihiv, and he has been there 2 weeks

[@attilamarics3374]

@@clintmarina But you are just lying.

[@clintmarina]

@@attilamarics3374 is the best you can come up with Ivan?

[@sixgunsymphony7408]

They had two years to get their men ready. They failed and are likely going to lose this war. A case in point is that they are not drafting their 16 to 24 yo men.

[@raivenbeatz1468]

@@clintmarina was your brother one of the homeless taken off the street lmaooooo

[@Dude-qs4wi]

Speaking as a native English speaker who has had to learn to sing operas in English, Italian and French, your singing analogy was spot-on. Learning the Italian and French took a lot more work and studying. Even then I didn't usually recall the actual meaning of what I was singing because we learned to sing a series of sounds rather than learning a language. So yeah, if you have a good grasp of the basics, learning the more advanced stuff is a lot easier.

[@philstabler]

I’m British English, born and bred here. Bollox

[@TestUser-cf4wj]

French is a very easy language for English speakers to learn. Not As easy as German, but easier than Korean or Arabic. I'm a native English speaker with experience with all 4. Learning languages isn't hard. You just think it is, so you struggle.

[@philstabler]

@@TestUser-cf4wj bollox , Englishman. Foooocccc hiiiiiiiiddddd. You’re cannot string a coherent sentence together. Your grammar and l literature, he said you can speak full English and spelling English whatever you can do in English define English bollocks English man not English native English you try to make yourself out to be in British English

[@ghostmourn]

Younger being 25... Damn my grandfather joined the US Marines at 17 and was fighting in the pacific by the time he was 19. They came to our local high school and went to the junior class and said sign the dotted line and you get your diploma right now - no senior year needed! (The got a lot of new Marines that day)

[@carlotulio3411]

Alexander the Great died at 33 years old, today to be president of the United States you must be at least 35 years old. Times have changed, at 18 years old today you are considered a child

[@jeffbreezee]

I joined the Marines on my 18th birthday and was in Boot Camp right after high school graduation in 1984.

[@kotenoklelu3471]

Ukrainian and Russian demographics are bad. They have very small amount of young people. It's because during WW2 so many men were killed that they didn't have kids and grandkids and so on. So Ukraine decided to skip this demographic because they wouldn't make a difference anyway, there's not much of them anyway. But they can enlist voluntarily.

[@kenna1976]

Sweden in 1995-96... 3 months basic training and then 7,5 months special training ( urban figthing for my part) But my Basic training included squadleader training as well and the instructors said it will not be much "Down Time" for us.. it was tough but we became "ok" as a fighting force ( Conscription times)

[@AahFukIt]

Similar to here in Denmark.

[@GanymedeXD]

There is just no time during war times! In the 90s Sweden was not in a state of war …

[@kenna1976]

@@GanymedeXD And we haven´t been in over 200 years

[@olivierjasko]

The WP is full of BS

[@user-ot7wh6mh7n]

"Everything I don't like is a communist/Russian/Chinese propaganda. Re-e-e-e-e-e-e!!!"

[@safeprisonoffice6259]

Yeah ok lol. They have been the champions of Ukraine this entire time . Dont let the hard facts fool you

[@ShiaOnKick]

theyve written 100 pro Ukraine articles you folks took as gospel already though bud.

[@_wmd_]

There maybe some truth in some of this, as previously problems been reported with training that there's enough smoke, how wide spread this might be is hard to tell. The good news is Ukraine has announced its making changes to its military in consolidation its organizations and NATO are offering more help with training

[@seanmorgan483]

yes I agree they went against Ukraine can't be true the conscripts are all Olympic sharp shooters.

[@UFO-Ark]

Cant the Navy Seals, Marines, Paras, SAS, Delta Force, Rangers etc help train ALL new recruits. Training saves lives.

[@zankou5611]

That requires more work then these governments want to put in. 😢

[@patricksharpe1148]

They did that during the summer offensive. It still failed.

[@user-tt6il2up4o]

Killing unarmed civillians in Afghan is not combat experience. Ukraine and russian armies have combat experience, US units have NONE in reality. YANK units have never operated in the conditions the Ukraine army have, eg YANKS never fight anyone who can remotely fight back.

[@rinsonator1668]

Special force didn’t train for war but specific task. Stop Holly wood mindset pls😂

[@smackroscoe]

No. Those Men are too highly trained to train new recruits. Recruits need to learn basic skills just to barely function in non-combat skills. Then they can start to learn increasingly advanced skills & each new skill builds upon previously learned knowledge, tactics that eventually becomes a skill. Time is what is needed. Unfortunately, Ukraine needs all the fighters they can get their hands on.

[@RichardBRichard]

When a country is at war, basic training and age limits takes a back seat to "boots up at the front". An unfortunate necessity.

[@moehassona6009]

Ukraine also snatches men from the street, how motivated would those guys be in a war?

[@stiannunn5113]

For noen dager siden så ble en millitær rekrutering mann i Ukraina skutt med hagle. 😂🤣

[@NCrdwlf]

Not at all . The way they are going about it is all wrong. In the 80s we saw Honduras do it this way and we were training 14 year old kids without the ability to read or write. They were just kids with no motivation to be a soldier . It never ends well , and we had several of them turn on our guys . You have to look at the social temperature in Ukraine . Is this a war the average Ukrainian guy thinks is important ?. I’m guessing no, since press gangs are now the recruitment tool, and videos of angry mothers turning on the TCC are surfacing . They are doomed until they convince the kids this a war worth fighting. If they can’t do this, they need to come up with a peace plan before their ability to man the countries infrastructure is lost.

[@GanymedeXD]

What nonsense … they do not snatch off the street … they are in a state of war and they are drafted when required for … they fight or die …

[@stiannunn5113]

@@GanymedeXD Lol yes they do its so easy to find videos from Ukraine but not on YT. Dont talk aboat things you dont know aboat

[@moehassona6009]

@GanymedeXD there are hundreds of videos, everyday there are videos of ukrainian snatching off men off the streets for conscription everyone knows about this, are you living under a rock? Or In denial?

[@GrantvsMaximvs]

The main argument for civilian gun ownership, right here.

[@sixgunsymphony7408]

You nailed it. 🔨

[@ad-ko5iy]

USA military don't realise their recruits often have better weapons training than a lot of europeans instructor. Doesn't mean they are already proficient soldiers, but they know the basics.

[@ikke12345]

Disassembling and assembling your weapon is something you learn in the first month of your traing as a conscript. I was a conscript in the belgian air force in 1989. I got my training for one month at the coast in Veurne, and one of the trainings was disassembling assembling and cleaning you FNC assault rifle. And those was before you learned to shoot it. So it is likely to happen in the first week

[@buriedintulips]

10:56 Sir, with all due respect, as an Iraq veteran Corpsman, yes my Marines knew how and when to apply a tourniquet. Did they REALLY know how to properly field dress a wound...no. I would absolutely expect them to forget to clean it out with sterile water, or forget to apply a non-adherent pad below the bandage. Some of them literally wouldn't have been able to read the labels on the package for the pad. But ALL of them were highly proficient in fire & maneuver after SOI. Maybe the Army is different, my only experience is with Marines (for whom I am forever thankful) but gotdang do some of them really earn the crayon-eater reputation.

[@johnvaughn2590]

I've worried since Bakmut about our force strength, the problematic retreat at a time when Russia was at it's weakest and followed by no surge back into the city when Prigozin left and then the summer offensive last year that saw light forces arrayed across a large space with (seemingly) no reserve force to flow to Russian weak spots. The trench work in Crimea also seems too much for us (Ukraine) to surmount, but I'll leave that to CVP. Thanks.

[@LutherusPXCs]

Surge back into Bakhmut to do what? Die? As soon as Russia put down multi layered field fortifications in Zaporizhzhia that bricked Ukraines chances.

[@johnvaughn2590]

@@LutherusPXCs The larger point being the withdraw seemed more dicey than necessary if Ukraine had sufficient force. Which Pres. Zelensky has addressed lately by firing several Generals in charge of recruitment. The Russians are good with trading troop deaths for land all day long.

[@chill_will9816]

The number of live rounds fired in training has no bearing on whether the soldier is competent with their weapon. I prob shot less that 200 live rounds in US Army basic and if youre a good shot, you prob have a similar experience. But inexperienced/bad shooters fired hundreds more than me. We train to standard, not time. That is the way.

[@aaronrace7591]

Ukraine ruined its 2023 offensive when it threw its untested and underprepared brigades against Russia's main defensive line. They need to be careful in repeating their mistake of rushing units forward.

[@LutherusPXCs]

There was literally nothing Ukraine could do, all Europe doesn't have the engineering equipment in required numbers to get through those defenses.

[@aaronrace7591]

@LutherusPXCs Nothing they could have done? Stop making excuses for poor strategy. Doing that doesn't make you a good pro Ukrainian now. One thing they could have done is stuck on the defensive, bleed the Russians, preserve equipment and manpower, and hope to exploit areas where they degrade Russian forces for counter attacks. This strategy worked in 2022 for Ukrainians, successfully both in Kharkiv and Kyiv.

[@LutherusPXCs]

@@aaronrace7591 There is a misunderstanding I thought you were saying something completely different. And I have said repeatedly since Bakhmut, prior to the offensive, that they should have remained on the defense. Tho 2022 is not 2024 Russians have glide bombs, FPV and other drones in mass, better army structure, better ISR capabilities, a crazy amount of field fortifications, steady influx of manpower ect. 2022 was a year where Russia was tripping over the coffee table due to poor organization and miscalculations, factors which have taken down larger armies in history. 2024 is a year where they still have problems but corrected some of the most grievous ones, I don't think there will be another Kharkiv again.

[@weenedonpetrol]

I would be very skeptical about this report as there are hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers being trained here in the UK.

[@moiseshuerta3984]

Maybe thats why they losing. NATO training is useless.

[@BaconNationChannel]

A lot of them are trained at home.

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

Probably only the best recruits are trained in foreign countries. The rest are trained in Ukraine.

[@e33d90]

That is only hundreds though isn’t it

[@weenedonpetrol]

@@e33d90 Yes but there’s other countries training Ukrainians too.

[@AlexAnder-dh8qz]

We can see here several difefrent individual situations, but still there is some bad truth: lack of weaponry in early 2024 caused Ukraine casualties, Ukraine needs fast reinforcements at any cost; also new Head of Command put into command some of his trusted generals and officers, some of which are actually known for their Soviet-style of warfare and they actually not care about skill, but numbers. All this looks bad, I know, but some cases happen and untrained or undertrained soldiers were sent to frontlines since 2014 in Ukraine, it's all about people in charge of training units. However, we also know situation, when Ukrainian brigades recruited some of POWs and provided them with basic 2-week training on top of shitty basic training they had as russian conscripts before, mostly teaching them tactics and field medicine, while they already had shooting skills. Hopefully, brigades command understand this situation and provide additional training somewhere in 3rd line. That's how war of attrition works in it's finest, for both sides...

[@markwilliford5319]

It just not the Soldiers who need training..The Officers and Battalion/Brigade Staffs need collective training. During the last conflict, The US Army made sure any deployable National Guard and Reserve Battalion/Brigade/Division Staff had an exhausitive FTX/STX/MRX prior to their unit deployment. The training cycle began 12 - 15 months prior to them going wheels up.

[@user-ip5yb8sj8f]

Residents of Ukraine should prepare themselves for the fact that blackouts in the coming winter will last up to ten hours a day on average. Verkhovna Rada deputy Serhiy Nagornyak issued such a warning. "This may be an average scenario," - quotes Nagornyak Ukrainian "24th channel". According to the MP, the situation with energy supply in the country is super complicated. But by winter, according to forecasts, it promises to become even more difficult.

[@AirB-101]

How about we take this article from the WahPo for what it is? A direct account of what some people within the AFU said. It is certainly not an assessment of ALL troops within the AFU. How many such testimonials were given in Official Reports such as "The U.S. Army in the Iraq War Volume 1 to x"? An EXCELENT 1000+ pages review of the conflict. I will rest my case with the following stat: 1:6 ratio in favor of the AFU.

[@clintmarina]

What they “supposedly” said…. “Anonymous”‘usually means it’s BS

[@RomanianReaver]

Lotta examples of this. You don't get that many surrendering soldiers otherwise

[@clintmarina]

@@RomanianReaver so what’s that say about Russia? 🤣

[@ItsReallyJackBlack]

The problem is the sources. Casualties figures from purely independent studies show huge losses on both sides. The ratio you cite is less than reliable.

[@RomanianReaver]

@@ItsReallyJackBlack Mediazona guestimates around 90-100k KIA for Russia and Ukraine's missing around 400-500k troops (if those were miscounted as part of corruption or legit losses, is unknown, what is known right now though is they're in shit up to the waist trying to plug the gaps).

[@juliaelrod2154]

EU countries need to put boots on the ground. Not just to train but to fill non combat positions and freeing up fully trained Ukrainian troops.

[@teresas8173]

I agree 💯💯💯💯💯

[@AnmolX-jw8jr]

Wouldn't that just be the start of ww3?

[@cyberfunk3793]

If we did that, obviously it would not be ground troops first. We would establish a no fly zone or just establish air dominance. I'm not against that option, NATO should at least start planning it thoroughly already.

[@jimmystrickland1034]

America has to back France if they deployed. No way possible the US wouldnt back France.

[@meetmehalfway7982]

@@AnmolX-jw8jr No.

[@vincentleeadams]

60 days of training plus: (besides room and board) 1. Free MRE’s ( meal ready to eat). 2. Free emergency surgery. 3. Free sleeping bag, 4. Free coffin. 5. Fee burial (depending on what’s left of your body). 6. Pension after 20 years. 7. Free veteran health care benefits. What’s not to like? 👍 Note, I.Q. above 75 required.

[@Screwball70]

I was a British soldier and my weapon would break on a daily basis lol fkn SA80 A1 was a fkn travesty.

[@rogerames9001]

Rubbish bollocks don't believe you ever held a sa 8o can't even call by it's proper designation

[@grimgoreironhide9985]

Did you use the FN FAL variant before the bullpup replaced it?

[@rogerames9001]

@@grimgoreironhide9985 British variant was slr l1A1

[@Screwball70]

@@grimgoreironhide9985 yes I was trained on the FAL in my basic/infantry training but after I joined my regiment we were issued with the dreaded ' pup ' within a month or two, the LSW was also a headache, don't know why they didn't just start using the Bren gun again and save millions of pounds on a squad level LMG that's mag fed .

[@andrewpearce8006]

To be fair, Russian training involves half a clip then off to the front

[@thehappyclam3942]

Where did you get that idea from?

[@dillonbuel5165]

@@thehappyclam3942 the corpses on the battlefield.

[@user-ot7wh6mh7n]

If the Russians with almost zero training and only armed with shovels can cause so much trouble for Ukraine (that has money, weapon and intelligence from the West), imagine what would happen if they get an actual training with a full clip.

[@michaelugorsky3926]

I’m on my way to home depot to pick up about 30 of the shovels that blowup tanks. Are those special order or just grab em off the shelf???

[@MrLu4o]

There was USA corpses in Vietnam . Does it mean you army is shit? ​@@thehappyclam3942

[@reddevilparatrooper]

I went into the US Army to be an Airborne Infantryman a Paratrooper in 1986 at Ft. Benning GA. for OSUT One Unit Station Training,It's about 9 weeks when the Army puts you through Basic Training. The first week is uniform issue, medical screening and shots, learning how to make beds, and military drill for 7 days to get used too Army things. When I got to Harmony Church with WWII barracks it was get out of the cattle cars and the next day started Basic Training for the next 8 weeks with 3 days for graduation and the next day was 5 weeks of Infantry School with 2 days for graduation. Then you got released to go home on leave before you reported to your unit stateside or overseas. One week for stateside and 2 weeks for overseas guys. For Airborne School guys like me got no leave but had to hang around for 2 weeks doing guard and cleaning details before our class started. I did run, push ups, pull ups, some sit ups to be ready for getting my ass kicked. Three weeks of Airborne, 2 weeks learning parachute training and the last week doing 5 qualifying jumps to get my wings. But the US Army has been doing 8-9 weeks of Basic since the 1960s Vietnam Era. Back then they drafted more men because they knew the failure rate was going to be high.

[@fierceperedur]

Thanks! Slava Ukraine!

[@paulyoung4422]

This article plays into the Russian hands Avoid the Russington Post and NewOrc Times.

[@phild3936]

I call them the Washington compost and the New York Slimes and consider them as informative and truthful as ruSSian trolls..

[@Zauberkaffee2001]

cope😂

[@user-ot7wh6mh7n]

"Everything I don't like is a communist/Russian/Chinese propaganda. Re-e-e-e-e-e-e!!!"

[@user-od4yl3rf4n]

Avoid any news source that is not corresponding with your position

[@jamesjacocks6221]

Didn't see your reply before writing my own. Not sure about the Russian influence but doubtless there is some mainly via Wall Street.

[@ADobbin1]

Its no different than the first year of ww1. Losses were so high you got 6 weeks of training and off to the front. Here in canada the first batch of soldiers sent to the front in 1915 had their entire basic training period taking up with building the training camp at Val Cartier. They got no military training at all. Most didn't even know how to use their rifles when they entered the trenches because they didn't receive their rifles until they arrived at the trenches. This is what happens when you don't have a large enough army and aren't ready when somone invades your country.

[@diegoflores9237]

But I thought Ukraine only lost 33,000? 😅😂🤣😅😂😂

[@ADobbin1]

@@diegoflores9237 like russia has only lost 9000?

[@edhargquest8710]

@@ADobbin1 Ukraine lost 31000, and Russia over 500K ..i know its source are MOD of Ukraine, but no mater what we just need to believe that they tell a truth, i mean what will they get if they tell a lie, only negative thing will happen if western allies find that Ukraine are tell a lies.

[@ADobbin1]

@@edhargquest8710 I expect it's about 150-200k for ukraine.

[@invadingomen6826]

@@edhargquest8710if they were honest about the fact they’ve sacrificed an entire generation of young Ukrainian men, their public would stop supporting the war, because they’d realize even if they win, their country is doomed

[@svensvensson2724]

If you want to know Ukraine's losses, just look at their claims for russian losses.. The numbers they give are always a projection of their own. Then they report 10% of that number as their own losses. Ballpark figures, this is how they have done it throughout.

[@merijnhugens]

You are 100% right...the Ukrainian & Western Mainstream Media propaganda-machine flipped everything upside down, evil is good, night becomes day, the lie becomes truth...

[@johncromwell2529]

Thx Paul Love the two a days

[@terjeoseberg990]

The solution to this problem is simple. Whoever is in charge of training then should be sent to the front lines, and the soldiers currently on the front lines should become the new instructors.

[@terjeoseberg990]

The soldiers who don’t want to fight. The ones who claim that they’ll refuse orders should be sent to the front lines too. They should be grouped together in their own team. They can learn from experience.

[@terjeoseberg990]

After a few weeks on the front lines, if they survive, maybe they’ll want some training, and maybe they’ll pay attention.

[@BaconNationChannel]

Yeah rotating some guys out to become instructors is a real good idea. I hope they are at least doing that.

[@terjeoseberg990]

@@BaconNationChannel, Yeah. I hope they are too. I haven’t heard anyone explain what they’re doing.

[@GanymedeXD]

That means … poorly trained frontline soldiers filling gaps shall do the training? How effective!

[@bennyboy5374]

Maybe watch who wrote it and then look on other articles from same guy can guarantee you it's a russian agent.

[@user-ot7wh6mh7n]

"Everything I don't like is a communist/Russian/Chinese propaganda. Re-e-e-e-e-e-e!!!"

[@73chengosaro4]

you are illusioned -- bewitched to believe lies about Ukraine invincibility--- this is childish assumptions detached from realities

[@clintmarina]

I know this is fake news, I know several who’ve been through basic, including my wife’s youngest brother, who is still in training, and it’s been more than 10 weeks

[@safeprisonoffice6259]

You people are absolutely insane. If Russia rolls tanks through Kiev u people will say it’s propaganda

[@shooth100]

​@@safeprisonoffice6259 ruskie tried and failed. 500,000 dead ruskies for what?

[@myBestWishes677]

Thanks

[@Evirthewarrior]

Commanders complained about this during OIF and OEF because brand new privates were getting sent over seas in the middle of deployments. I deployed with less than a month in my unit and we had guys that deployed the week after they in processed (it normally takes about a week after you arrive to your unit to finish in processing).

[@almasbaibolov1446]

I hearing same narratives about Armed Forces of Ukraine since March 2022……Guess who rewriting them over and over again?

[@GanymedeXD]

Same? Thats pretty impossible! Since their highly trained fighters are dead, wounded or otherwise not fit got action any more. Hence they had to draft and fast track training. They started with mid 40s and now must turn to younger men. The narrative changed continuously … meanwhile they struggle to provide proper training to fill the gaps. From months of training to … ‘Here is your gun … fire that way .. good luck … ‘.

[@katinkaridde-coffey6493]

Jeez, the military service in Sweden is between 9-15 months. They need to train those guys better! How about all those french foreign legion soldiers who are coming to Ukraine as instructors??

[@diegoflores9237]

They're going to instruct on the art of waving the white flag

[@weiserwolf580]

they are getting actively bombed every day, it's not like they have all the time in the world, during the winter war Finland put its entire population on the front line, with only a crash course in weapon operation. Ukraine doesn't have 9-15 months (the luxury of lazy people in the west) to make soldiers, just like Russia, 2 weeks of crash course on rifles and some basic trench warfare tactics training and they are good for troop rotation

[@thebear7128]

Basic training in Sweden is two months, everything after that is specialist training in their specific role in the military.

[@JJKillerElite]

​@weiserwolf580 lol longer training isn't due to laziness, they don't lay on a couch and eat Cheeseburgers instead of train, it's the training itself that takes time. Physical, weapons proficiency, specialization. Navigation, survival, CQB and hand to hand laziness that's 🤡 logic

[@dzonikg]

@@weiserwolf580 In this war 99% you will probably never use riffle ,most fighting are dont by drones,personal is only there to officerly take territory and wait drone or artillerie to knock on their door

[@vanettevanhuyssteen5548]

Thank you, Paul.

[@thomassutrina8296]

It appears that for WWII Army and Marine basic training minimum was 13 Weeks which is 3 months. In 1949 the training was 14 weeks or 3 1/4 months.

[@philipharris-smith5889]

I look askance at this notion because firstly Ukrainian servicemen are being trained in several other countries. I suspect this is an effort to draw other nations into the conflict by Ukraine, France is already ‘up for it’.

[@TheCoolhead27]

The reason they are asking for Trainers is because if they get sent abroad for training they most likely won't want to come back.

[@lostlogic6911]

​@@TheCoolhead27 the host country wouldn't allow foreign fighters to exit beyond their designated area and would hunt down AWOL if they try to escape.

[@lostlogic6911]

Nah, this is just Washington post being Washington post. A lot of sources for their negative remarks towards Ukraine has been from Russian Propaganda.

[@davidcanning-co1su]

The only person to blame for this is Zelenski. If he would have listened to General Valerii Zaluzhnyi instead of replacing him because he didnt like the truth this would not be happening. Zaluzhnyi stated he was not satisfied how long it was taking to conscript troops way back in Sep 2023 and stated he needed 500,000. Zelenski opposed this and now Ukraines armed forces and suffering the consequences.

[@OniksR]

He went to London with suitcases full of money; he doesn’t need this Ukraine.

[@user-es3zu5zd1g]

Honestly it's the US to blame, the civil war would've been over two years ago. Zelensky is just the arm of the CIA.

[@mrsnrub282]

I agree. General Zalizhnyi saved Ukraine. Not discounting Zelensky's role as a strong political leader during a crisis, but it was Zalizhnyi who was really leading the defence. He's very popular with the people too, and I can't help but wonder if Zelensky was afraid he might get overthrown, and that's the reason he fired him

[@clintmarina]

How was Ukriane to equip another 500,000 troops? Think about what your saying

[@GanymedeXD]

Big problem is the system … western trained soldiers had to fight the way non western trained commanders wanted it … they complained they were for ed to do what they were trained never to do …

[@lesliebrannon2191]

It would seem strange to put someone on the front line without proper training as it would put others in danger. 8-12 weeks would seem the least needed to get someone fit enough and trained to use weapons, kit and first aid. Maybe the different units can set up training camps in the surrounding countries to help train on special tactics for that unit.

[@GanymedeXD]

Useless … those trained in UK and Germany complained commanders ignored what they learned and sent them into obsolete tactics and missions!

[@ThWKrapf]

In my military days I was a squad leader in an engineer training company in the German army. In general the training time for fresh conscipted recruits was 3 month. Therefrom six weeks were the "green" training, which meant "combat service of all troups", where all skills from order, dicipline, physical fitness, marching, shooting, digging, camouflaging, "camping", handling all standard infantry weapons, firefight and infrantry tactics, selfdefence, self and comrads help (first aid), behaviour in combat zones and so on was trained and partially drilled. The next six weeks, these skills were deepened and added by military engineer specific topics, such as handling mines and other explosives, bridging (improvised and with engineer equipment), crossing waters and other obstacles, installing obstacles, demining operations, acting as engineer unit and so on. This pattern was a universal one. 6 weeks "green" skills, 6 weeks specialisation according to the "branch". After these 3 month the recruits were moved to their final units. Each soldier leaving the training, was surely still a rookie, but tought to act like a soldier in a possible war. We all know, that this is only a basic preparation and that real combat experience might be differring from what was tought. I'm really curious how future generations of soldiers will be prepared to the permanent threat, that drones of all kinds are bringing on the modern battlefields, additionally to all those things, that can kill them since hundreds of years. No where to hide is probably psychologigally the biggest challenge on ourdays the battle field. I'm not sure, if future trainers really can find ways to prepare recruits for what is awaiting them out there. These new soldiers will need a lot more of mental strength and stability, then needed in my days. Regards Th. Krapf

[@themaster804]

Have you not seen the videos of people fighting recruiters and being rounded up in vans. They don't want to fight.

[@UFO-Ark]

Isn't that just slavery ?

[@AJThielmann]

There will always be those. The problem is pro-russian sources are acting like this is the norm.

[@clintmarina]

Secondly, nobody “wants to fight”, but most choose too. To defend their homes and family. After 2 1/2 years of fighting Russia to a stalemate, it’s kind of clownish to continue the Russian narrative of “liberation”

[@debrutomeyer9117]

It’s war time. Conscription is legal and a large number of countries in the West use it. The UK for example wants to bring it back. Israel has for men and women People might not like the idea because it’s a new concept to them. But how else? Someone else fights in a war so that you can live in peace?

[@clintmarina]

Dude! It’s bullshit! 😂 No one in Ukriane is being “rounded up in vans” and whisked away to the war. It’s utter BS! Do you speak Russian ? Do you know what they were saying in the video? He was being detained for failing to produce his passport under martial law. Secondly, I’ve been to Ukraine twice since the war started. There are literally hundreds of thousands of military age men walking the streets in Ukraine, In Kiev, Odessa and Lviv. They don’t need to “drag people away in vans”. avoiding Ukrainian conscription law is punishable by a maximum fine of 20,000 hryvnia (about $500). Ukraine conscripts also can opt out of combat roles if they have moral objections to fighting, and they are assigned support roles in the rear. Also, one of the videos of men being stuffed into a van, that is alleged to be Ukraine is actually from the DPR and not Ukraine, and it was from 2022.

[@farshot2713]

I cannot buy gum. I have the poor. Everyone laugh. Everyone look down. No one employ. Hungry. Cold.

[@JJKillerElite]

1 piece u will be king of battlefield

[@johnmanier9047]

Being an NCO in Ukraine would be a freaking nightmare

[@cfgbpentatonic5631]

7 days - and death, its a fate of my mate be killed on frontline. There are facts when the mobilized were sent to the front two days after mobilization - its our ukrainian reality.

[@tomomalley-df3bq]

Good commentary and analogy as usual, thanks

[@thebeardedatheist]

I have a hard time believing this. Russia would love this to be true for anti moral reasons but idk we aren’t getting actual quotes from anyone, just “sources”.

[@diegoflores9237]

Keep coping

[@xijinping118]

This is just the start of the cry for special advisors in Ukraine

[@user-rv4ob4tg9x]

That’s a great point.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

Fingers crossed they get them

[@attilamarics3374]

@@CheeseLovingGuy Sure. I guess you will be the firts to go to help them? Asking for others to go to war while you know you wont be there, is evil, and immoral.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

@@attilamarics3374 Nope attacking other countries is the evil. Supporting those that have done so is evil. Supporting Ukraine is important for democracy. There are many fronts. Not just the front line. I fight on some of those. Have a nice day now.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

@@attilamarics3374 Supporting Russians invasion is the evil part.

[@Rich4098]

For a while now, it's been clear that there are major manpower shortages. Russia is dangling fragile, razor thin salients all over the place, and none of those are being pinched. It can only be because there isn't anyone there to do the pinching.

[@UFO-Ark]

Paul, can you discuss the effectiveness of female conscripts?

[@robrob9050]

Definitely as boosting morale factor.

[@iamsorryforbeingrudebefore1626]

​@@robrob9050they are for barracks bed service.

[@stephensipe5405]

I have posted on this training topic previously on your site. Ukrainian politicians have to pull their heads out of their butts and set up an annual mandate of 100,000 to 150,000 recruits per year for 5 years. The UK and the Baltic States can run through 30,000 Ukrainian recruits per Quarter or 10,000 per month. This is Basic Training 2-3 months, and AIT (equipment/specialty training) 3-7 months. For example, Infantry might be 2+3 months if you cut out KP and other duty stations. However, remember duty stations give training time to sink in. It also gives discipline. Medics and Military Intelligence battle planning Staff, not officers, need 2+7 months. Armor crews and Artillery crews are in between. Officers need 2 months of Basic and 4-7 months of AIT Officer Level. This is because all Officers need Command Training and maneuver training in their area. ALL trainees, Enlisted and Officers have to be divided into groups of fast learners and slower learners. The fast learners will be sent out as Replacements to the Ukrainian borders with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Belarus. This is where frontline Units will 4R and integrate replacements. Depending on %, they will have 1-3 months of rotation prior to going frontline. Exceptional frontline NCOs of E4/E5, with go to Germany for BNCO. This will be 2 months of Command Training and maneuver training. The Basic/AIT slow learners will get these BNCO graduates as their Platoon troops in Germany. They will also get the slower Officers as Platoon Leaders. To these Platoons will be added exceptional frontline Lieutenants promotable to Captain and Platoon Sergeants promotable to 1ST Sergeant. Each will get a 1 month Company leadership course. These Companies will train for 1 month prior to being formed into Battalions. Battalion Staffs of frontline Officers and new Enlisted Staff will also train for 1 month. Then the Battalions will run through 2-3 battle planning and execution exercises on simulators and in the field. The most success Battalions will deploy to Ukraine as a Battalion backfilling as is a Brigade. Replaced Battalion Staff will head to Germany to get a new Battalion. Groups of 4 slower Battalions will be formed into a Brigade. The Brigade will get frontline Officers and NCOs in Brigade Command. They will get 3-5 months in a Ukrainian low risk border area before frontline deployment. This looks like a lot of moving parts. It absolutely is complex. However, this is what Ukrainian Military Command needs to do to prepare troops and Units at all levels for war. If 3RD Brigade Infantry Team (Spec) wants to recruit individuals, I would mark them as designated replacements. Everyone should have a NATO common denominator.

[@teddy.d174]

Coming from the Washington Compost, I’d be highly skeptical.

[@willsta21]

They should of being doing this months ago. Thank god the French are going in to help! note: after looking up author and his articles it seems more Russian propo although I’m sure there WILL be issues.

[@KirenKK-te7pb]

When fighting a war of survival with available real time and resources, you dont have the luxury of extensive training. One has to learn on the job. Ukrainians are Europeans/ Slavs with a history of warfare over centuries. They have managed so far and with indulgent allies they will continue to adapt and prevail over their challenges.

[@diegoflores9237]

Ukrainian bots on cope mode

[@felixdk8727]

This is not good. Doesn't give you much confidence or hope in or for the poor devils fighting for freedom and Ukraine

[@NLYS27]

I did 22 weeks and got to my unit and all out of the window. Mistakes learned from GWOT that are instilled are a no-go. It was the most frustrating thing in the world. It's wild to see how much training they're getting and to be honest. A lot of Vets have gone to Russia and I do know a few that are fighting against Ukraine. It's sad man they even feel bad about it most of them are old enough to be their Dads. Our government is literally paying for everything they need including their their Firefighters. Not even the minimum, i feel sorry for the Joe's and NCOs that have to teach them the bare minimum. I wish we could see an accurate casualty report. Ukraine has lost almost 450k last year. 450k - 500k would be enough to replenish lost troops and maybe have troops to regularly relieve and rotate in the front. Russias plan is to relocate 300k troops to the North for a push and siege Kiev.

[@theeducatedgrunt2087]

I was in A lrsd unit in the 82nd.. I went thru 13 weeks of infantry osut. 4 weeks of Airborne school. 3 years as an airborne infantryman. rip 2 mos, 1 year in the batt, 2 mos in ranger school. 1 more year in the batt. then Rlrslc (Ranger long range surveillance leaders course). Recon soldiers are usually some of the best soldiers in line units with the most training.....

[@ParaNoid816]

The system can't tell the difference between male and female. You expect them to train soldiers?? 😂

[@adamk.7177]

Damn, I've never met someone with two assholes before. Kinda gross to watch the crap fall out of your face like that, though.

[@robrob9050]

It's possible definitely but they need unit tattoo expert, plus mobile shop nearby and fake nails depot. Keeping radio silence would be problematic since she has always "smart phone" in her hand and needs to regularly post 225 selfies on Instagram.

[@AlexMartinez-nq4cw]

It’s called being in a war zone with your own country is in a conflict. ❤❤❤

[@potatoradio]

No, it is called desperation and stupidity. Especially if they had just been honest said things weren't perfect and recruited or conscripted before winter, and built and reinforced more defensive lines like they SHOULD have. Russia would have gained far less territory, and Ukraine's losses would have been far lower.

[@chozer1]

hopefully the french trainers can help with such problems

[@robrob9050]

Their training is only dropping rifle twice 😂

[@theeducatedgrunt2087]

Back in 1988 Infantry osut was 13 weeks.. not counting an additional week for inprocessing and out processing, When i enlisted.

[@user-vb4sp3xk7d]

I hope Russians watch this channel. The guy is really funny. The whole of Ukraine is an empty field

[@robrob9050]

Yup, giant farmland dotted with asbestos roofed barns

[@AnmolX-jw8jr]

You both are bots

[@AnmolX-jw8jr]

💀💀💀💀 I am about to be bombarded aren't i

[@robrob9050]

@@AnmolX-jw8jr the salary is pretty low

[@AnmolX-jw8jr]

@@robrob9050 ??? I don't get it

[@kurtgreen1040]

It all started with Daisy here

[@vacuum102]

Divide it up. We did this in school. You take a few skills and teach it to a few. The parts are taught to others and then assign them together to make the whole. They finish training out on the field of truth.

[@TheDoorspook11c]

The USMC minimized bootcamp to 8 weeks and OCS to 12 during the height of the Vietnam War.

[@ojalajim]

Losing territory and saying no big deal = cope

[@weiserwolf580]

Losing so much petroleum, gas and radar infrastructure = cope

[@diegoflores9237]

Cope is all Ukraine ever had. Ukraine certainly never stood a chance against Russia

[@Merble]

@@diegoflores9237 Not standing a chance = 2 years and going = cope

[@diegoflores9237]

@Merble and Ukraine has lost territory, lost hundreds of thousands of military, lost its weapons. I don't understand how you people can't see Ukraine is way behind Russia.

[@adamk.7177]

If ya'll believe this story, I have a bridge to sell you...

[@moiseshuerta3984]

The alternative is worse Einstein. Ukraine has fully trained troops and still retreating???

[@kevinp2593]

Thanks Paul 👍👍👍

[@bdcochran01]

Training comments: 1. WW2. Eisenhower needed more manpower. College educated guys were in officer training. It was expected that the war would not be over until 1948. With no meaningful training, these men were fed into the line as replacements. They were not organized into units. Very high casualty rate. 2. Vietnam. A high % of casualties were on the first 30 day sweep. So, US army adopted a program of 30 day, in country training with fake booby traps and ambushes. 3. Mentor from 82nd Airborne asked me how I would train people. My response was as a sniper. The objection was raised that it would be too expensive. If you want cheaper, then train people like the Rhodesian Army Scouts: individual tracking, team tracking and mechanized tracking. Tracking teaches situational awareness better than any other approach. What is mechanized tracking? One tracker jobs ahead of an armored vehicle carrying other trackers who rotate in. Team tracking is in a compressed diamond formation. If you like, add a 5th person at the rear with 3 mile optics.

[@diegoflores9237]

The Meat grinder was always real. It's just that the meat is ukros

[@weiserwolf580]

500k ruskys vs 270k ukr, oh well....

[@diegoflores9237]

@@weiserwolf580 if believing that makes you happy, keep on believing it

[@weiserwolf580]

@@diegoflores9237 I don't need to believe that. I know for sure! I have about 10 cold ruskys right in front of me every day and 10 more that are getting cold tomorrow

[@stiannunn5113]

@@weiserwolf580 600K Ukro you are listening to much to this clown.

[@elmoreno3]

First

[@olivere5497]

All hail the greatest commentor!🎉

[@paulyoung4422]

This first thing was started by a Oriental Russian supporter.

[@TheDarkWarrior137]

youtube is 20 years old now and theres still commenters like this

[@Varzaak]

You cant do a 22 week program during wartime if you are fighting a larger country. 6 weeks is probably as good as your going to get. Now if these specialized units can do 8 weeks, then thats really good. Might not be a bad idea to have the new recruits forced into non combat support roles as well while they are in training. Have them cook, do logistics, bridge guarding, etc. Have that reality as part of their other training so they can get a feel for a good routine. Then after they pass training with weapons and tactics they then could go to the front. Those units doing their own recruiting is smart. You get your pick that way.

[@blitzroehre1807]

If true it is worrying. UK, France should get instructors into UKR to help out training ASAP. Also the foreign volunteers can well help out too with their experience..

[@blankspace1419]

😂😂😂 Ukraine is finished

[@gregjohnson298]

Sorry buddy,the world is not going to allow that 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-ot7wh6mh7n]

@@gregjohnson298 sure. Not until the Ukraine repays all its debts to the US and the EU.

[@porolintu6564]

yeah, west used ukrainians to weaken russia. destroyed for nothing. so sad.

[@user-od4yl3rf4n]

​@@gregjohnson298By world you mean few western countries with falling economies?

[@equos5060]

keep yappin' ork.

[@williamjacobs]

Russia can recruit 30,000 men per month. But did they train them? I'm guessing no.

[@italjahcorntrashroller]

30th AG sand hill, basic 2 times, airborne, rip, 2 1/2 years at Ft benning.

[@user-li5cr6wv5b]

The role of conscripts is just manning trenches. They act as a cushion in case of direct assault and as tripwire for artillery. Basically they are sacrificed to keep better quality troops safe, fresh and ready to counter.

[@cat_city2009]

Actual cannon fodder to act as a speed bump to the Russian advance. Horrifying stuff.

[@rayalfini2269]

I tried Strike Gum & found it to meet my needs & has that inside treat!

[@Koza_Cara]

@CombatVeteranReacts My uncle of 57 with known hart issues got drafted this Sunday. He’s going on 3 months training. He is from the wide region of Kyiv. Luckily our family/clan is pretty patriotic and capable with guns. Many civilians like my uncle patrolled the villages with hunt rifles and handguns for Russian recons and spies and had some basic training. It’s still hard on our family but we all see it as an obligation and honor to fight for our land. BTW some people can’t be drafted because they do vital work, doctors etc.

[@dcdk1525]

Supreme viD, as always Mr. Thanks Slava Ukraini Heroim Slava

[@mmaclog1]

You are a natural Bro!

[@aeromtb2468]

how about they get back all their citizens that have left the country for a greater pool.

[@atomthegreat541]

Dang it dude now that song is going to be stuck in my brain all day along with anybody who reads this very comment I'm on a ladder out here in the northwest gate AKA the Rogue Valley AKA Medford on a ladder right now and it's going to be nonstop in my head all day long thank you for your service! 🫡🫡😄