War on the Sea - Dutch East Indies Campaign || Ep.13 - Sink The Myoko(s)

[@themigmadmarine]

Congratulations on finding the one Japanese ship in the whole IJN that actually pushed damage control drills.

[@SasquaTch_AS]

FR

[@thalmoragent9344]

Lmao, facts. Damage Control is important... even if suiting up sucks sometimes. 😅

[@steweygrrr]

So like a year late but... IJN Kumano survived an entire month of that punishment after the Battle off Samar. Over the course of that month she was: Torpedoed by USS Johnston Hit by (at least) 3 bombs dropped from USS Hancock's aircraft. At least one of those bombs was a 1,000lb direct hit. Attacked by subs USS Guitarro, USS Bream, USS Ray and took two torpedoes from USS Raton. Finally sunk by aircraft from USS Ticonderoga but it took another four 500lb bombs and _five_ torpedoes to do so.

[@sealioso]

" I want my buffalos to climb and get high". The pilots:

[@HerrLindstrom]

I already got high for the buffalos before I even started the video lmao

[@tedarcher9120]

The cows:

[@gascan]

I kinda imagine that disabled ships are getting towed by the others in the formation, and the tow is cast off any time you get into combat. Its a bit odd if they are moving at full speed, or if there are no immobile ships in the formation though....

[@danielross7983]

Many of your air attacks are failing because the planes are not in an effective formation. You need to line them up depending on the target's orientation and speed. Level bomb from behind in line formation, or from the side at a 30-50 degree angle to the beam in echelon formation... and torpedeo planes always from slightly abaft of the beam to make evasion as difficult as possible.

[@nickschmidt9446]

I mean y’all could get the game and make ur own videos if you want. Till then I’ll just keep enjoying the vids.

[@Wolfpack345]

Formations are such a massive hassle in this game. Setting up formation for a 10% chance to get more bombs on target is not something that interest me. Also, my personal results with using tactics like listed above have been worse overall than what I'm doing now. (In Game). Skip bombing has seemed to be the most effective along with attacking individually. I will use these tactics in the next video though.

[@DarrylHart]

Yep it's like shooting rats in a barrel for the task force.

[@bread9849]

I recognize you from Izzy's comment section, which is unexpected. Have a good day!

[@wrongtracksuit]

@@nickschmidt9446 or you could take your own advice and mind your own business Nick? Offering fair and decent advice but also receiving it is all part of this video maker’s rights and responsibilities: it comes with the territory. A poor KZbinr whinges, whilst a good KZbinrs enjoys the fan interaction.

[@darrellhartanto4428]

Interesting that Myoko isn't scuttled already; she sustained critical damage but almost nothing. Good one, though, and I cannot wait for more for this and the UBOAT series!

[@HunterTeddy010]

It is indeed "Whack".

[@imamage]

Pretty sure it is dead with such amount of damage , sadly it still stay afloat..

[@mysteriesaboutlife4986]

The way the scuttling mechanic works is sufficing damage must be applied with heavy fires and or flooding for the ship to sink

[@patrickhamilton9242]

I really didn’t think he did THAT much damage. Enough to sink her but it wasn’t ridiculous that it survived. Most of those bombs were tiny.

[@jeffreyestahl]

Whenever attacking a crippled ship, just fly around and let the rest of the convoy move on. They'll basically abandon the cripple, allowing you to attack against a target with less AA. Another suggestion, formup well before attacking. One reason you're not putting the ships down is because you're hitting them piecemeal. Catastrophic damage over a short period of time is more likely to sink than the same damage incrementally over a longer period.

[@SorcererDave]

Enjoying this series! And you get some serious bonus points for pronouncing "Blenheim" correctly, haha

[@jamesTBurke]

Any chance we can get more of this? I'm always on edge waiting for more for some reason

[@vegirage3224]

these episodes are so few and so short

[@jamesTBurke]

@@vegirage3224 I know right lol

[@Friday_Monday]

@@vegirage3224 I think you guys are spoiled by full time youtubers, he might have other stuff he has to do

[@vegirage3224]

@@Friday_Monday honestly it's because YT suggested his channel to me only somewhat recently after lots of his series, such as silent hunter, were already complete and I never had to wait a week for more

[@Alvin07121]

this series slaps, keep it on!

[@Wolfpack345]

Thanks!

[@takao5618]

The music during the Myoko's sinking was fantastic. Very cinematic!

[@nautikal4057]

Not to mention that the sacrifices of those Dutch pilots though, dramatic music for both sides!

[@TheMortarWindmill]

I believe it is Hearth of Iron 4 music. I recommend taking a listen to their music once. It is quite good

[@simonlemerveilleuxdelisle3779]

Yeah, a dead in the water ship being able to follow a task force on the main map is one of my biggest concern for this game. Along with AI not being numerically restricted with its aircrafts. I wish they would fix these.

[@thomasstevenhebert]

Either have a towing mechanic that slows the entire formation or have them scuttle the ship. The current system makes no sense

[@simonlemerveilleuxdelisle3779]

@@thomasstevenhebert Yep, slow down the task force significantly and give the player the option to chose to scuttle a ship. Its really that simple.

[@philiphied]

The incredulity at losing the planes in the Mioko cruiser bombing, " we lost teaoo!!". Made me lol. Very aww, come onnnn...'ish

[@Sineuse]

Sesam street moment at 29:00. Counting torpedo hits with wolfpack!

[@ijnfleetadmiral]

The Damage Control crew of that first Myoko must've had prewar training in the United States. 😆They all deserve commendations from the Emperor for saving their ship. Her CO and the Admiral aboard her must've sobbed with relief when darkness fell.

[@Pagan20-08]

I can't help but feel that the AI should be made to scuttle critically damaged vessels like that Myoko

[@benjaminbuchanan7151]

I hope the USS Houston and Java are able to get back in action soon.

[@Wolfpack345]

Me too!

[@wastelander89]

Thanks for being a good sport and trying your best to not let the bad parts of the game ruin it for you and the videos . Thanks for continuing to make videos

[@pallegantzhorn3742]

You HAVE to find that damaged Myoko, cant let a opportunity like that slip away!

[@spiffywolf2850]

The Hudson really just coated the entire aft deck in fuel lol

[@hades0572]

Constantly seeing you hit these boats from the flanks, line your planes up and approach either from the bow or from the stern. You'll get more hits and if you're slightly off angle they can't bring all of their AA to bear.

[@buckduane1991]

I see your sunken Myoko today on Jan 21, 2023 and accept your birthday gift to me, thank you, Wolfpack!

[@e.kent.d9561]

Was playing IL 2 then saw something about Duch East.. So grabbed a beer and here I am. You are my favorite admiral.

[@warrengibson7428]

if youve been watching the series that was a very good bomb run.

[@arjentromp12]

gotta love the "ship a day" helfrich reference in the intro

[@jimjob1212]

I kinda like the idea of the ships still moving with the unit after damage, simulating being towed. They should get a massive speed penalty for doing it.

[@MidnightRoselle222]

This, Cold Waters and Uboat are my favorite series to watch by far! Always so entertaining

[@lenx5953]

Extra long episode this time, nice, look forward to watching it!

[@waffles4322]

I agree it's annoying that the crippled ship will move with the fleet, but you could technically argue they're just taking her under tow and cutting her loose when you start another fight 😂

[@13stalag13]

Been loving this series, keep up the good work.

[@Dethtofegans]

One thing i notice about killerfish games is that all of their games have a rigged damage system, the larger ships in games like cold waters, Atlantic fleet have what seems like plot armour, they cannot be killed and if they are, its a 1/100 chance

[@mustlovedragons8047]

Maybe focusing on, and finishing off, the small ships first would be a good counter? It might at least reduce AA, preserving more planes.

[@devrossik]

It's important to understand that in these games, ships only sink due to flooding, not structural or fire damage. The other kinds of damage cause or spread flooding, but it's the flooding itself that actually sinks the ships. In WOTS, enemy ships get an instant, automatic repair bump as soon as you leave combat. Also, once a section of the ship is destroyed, it can't be damaged further, so if new attacks hit those spots, they don't effectively increase damage. This is why heavily damaged ships can hang on and hang on through multiple attacks. Is this "rigged"? Perhaps, but that is the way the game has been designed, so you need to adjust your play style to match.

[@Dethtofegans]

@@devrossik ships sink from fires in Atlantic fleet, especially with spamming he with a smaller caliber cannon

[@devrossik]

@@Dethtofegans Sorry, that is not correct. The fires cause flooding, but it is flooding that actually triggers a ship to sink. This is harder to see with Atlantic Fleet because there is no direct way to see the flooding status of a ship. As the game's own description says, "Sink ships with realistic buoyancy physics." Buoyancy, not structural or fire damage.

[@kruger2035]

Always love WOTS. This is the game that got me here.

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

I can understand the aggravation behind a crippled ship unable to move on the Tactical map moving just fine on the strategic map. a bug that does need addressed. either have the group the crippled ship is with slow down to match speed or move on and leave the cripple to her fate/scuttle. most navies will make good effort to recover crippled ships if the tactical situation permits it.

[@drinks1019]

Love this series man, keep up the good work!

[@wardkerr2456]

Fun to watch you fight off such overwhelming forces with a shoe string force.

[@kevlarburrito6693]

If you're worried about aa fire, you should increase altitude too, you'd sacrifice accuracy, but gain some protection from aa

[@jay76ny]

I feel your frustration about the durability of these ships sometime. I hit a Nagara CL with enough ordinance to sink the Yamato and she just kept going, even though she was dead in the water. The surface group left the area, then showed up a few days later in a completely different spot with my buddy still dead in the water with Critical/Critical conditions.

[@RemoraDFC343]

been looking forward to more of this

[@bryinusa]

I bet that felt rewarding finally to sink at least one more heavy cruiser.

[@maru_1073]

Try save up for an escort carrier it will help a lot because It always seem you have a lack of air power

[@SovietGrazz]

My grandfather served on that Corvette! (The Armidale - and survived)!

[@saml7610]

Man, it's so frustrating that a ship that has lost it's propulsion still moves with the formation on the map... I really hope they fix that. Like you said, in real life they'd scuttle it after disembarking the crew onto the escorts. There ain't no way this thing would just keep moving. Also, wild that the bomb that hit the front turret didn't blow the magazine. Typically, in WW2, hits like that would blow the bow right off. There are clearly some major issues with this game, I hope they fix these problems. I still haven't bought it because I've watched you bash your head against the poor QoL in the majority of your videos, so to speak

[@bullockhindquarterwoman614]

Great drama and content. I look forward to more of this campaign.

[@justaplaneguy2938]

Tips From Other streamers I watch… 1. Don’t attack in formations. Target enemies with individual aircraft 2. Use fighter planes to straif destroyers (low speeds mean more time on target) 3. lower speed means more accuracy in level bombing 4. Subs below 30m wont be spotted by aircraft. 5. Damage saturation... torpedo both port and starboard sides. Hope this helps with your frustrations...

[@jackfredricks6223]

When a ship is immobilized on the tactical map, consider using torpedo planes and manually launch from a long distance (you have to do it, the AI only knows one range to drop from). If the range of the torpedoes is 9k, then drop at 8k and turn away with your planes. That way you are basically guaranteed hits without risking too much flak on your planes. Also, I like to imagine that to move the crippled ship on the strategic map, the other ships are towing it and they drop the tow when the battle starts. (But yeah, Killer Fish should fix that.)

[@schuttrostig5729]

Verry Good, sending some of the enemy ships for long going repairs will surely help as well. i think the scariest are not the heavy cruisere but this carrier taskforce which has to be at least 2 carriers.... but you still couldnt eaven get eyes on it, i am sure it is replenishing planes and will come back for your assets some time.

[@dester3275]

It would be really fun if pilots/crew that survived the ship/aircraft sinking/crashing could be rescued by other ships/catalinas would give 1/4 of the points back

[@rickendfed7472]

I do like the series and look forward to the next one

[@jaegersauce2575]

Is there any mechanic to coordinate attacks with bombers and torpedo planes? I seem to remember reading about dive bombers or level bombers being able to sync their attacks to divide flak or even attack from both sides of a target simultaneously. Also I think the flak dragging tactic can work better with the fighters, timing seems to be key to that. Keep up the great episodes, I started watching you on Cold Waters, enjoyed the hell out of that and now i cant wait for each episode of this series to come out.

[@Wolfpack345]

Sure! You can set up these types of attacks! I'll try to do more coordination in the future

[@jaegersauce2575]

@@Wolfpack345 I am rooting for you to win!

[@melissaworthington2478]

I don’t know why but for some reason the Japanese Cruisers have proven to be really resilient

[@grimmace1834]

Please post this series twice a week if possible, it's so good! Also please bring in more Dutch ships if possible, it is their area being attacked and it's nice seeing them in a game.

[@filipinorutherford7818]

More Aussies ha ha.

[@grimmace1834]

@@filipinorutherford7818 would love to see HMAS Canberra also.

[@filipinorutherford7818]

@@grimmace1834 I have been to the HMAS Canberra memorial in Solomon Islands. Very sobering. Kind of bizarre standing on a hill overlooking the battle where she went down. As a Canberran myself I would love to take the helm and do battle!!!

[@philopfries6432]

Honestly find that if I have to hit the deck to finish off a damaged ship, torpedo bombers tend to be the way to go. Good videos though keep it up!

[@GrumpyGamerGuy]

That was a great one... nice kill on that Myoko..

[@leh2012]

Airwar never ceases these days on the high seas!

[@pikke2010]

I play the standard game and sometimes I meet "unsinkable" ships. I attacked a destroyer four times and she got hit by: two flights of 4 planes each armed with rockets, then two 1600kg AP bomb by BF17s, then ate a torpedo by submarine and still got "moderate/moderate". I guess it's some sort of bug. Or perhaps those tin cans are way much thougher than expected. Thanks for the video!

[@_R-R]

The Myokos were notoriously tough ships.

[@milesblazek2569]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but when I've had heavily (critically) damaged ships as in this situation, I've just sped up the timing and waited and eventually the ship sinks.

[@kevlarburrito6693]

It's not unrealistic that a ship without power would still be able to move with a task force It was fairly common practice for a ship to be put under tow in such a situation, and then have the tow cut when aircraft show up

[@SovietGrazz]

Can we see the county class cruisers? Buying some Aussie heavy cruisers would be cool.

[@hmmjedi]

I love how most of the aircraft shot down seem to be from the close range defenses which is the terrible Type 96 25mm gun... another great video...

[@justit1074]

type 96 was acceptable by 1942 standards when planes were much slower and weaker, by 1945, they were near obsolete as they lacked effective RoF, training rate, or a medium caliber anti-air weapon to complement, as well as obsolete fire control systems

[@chris30309]

I wish you had a few more submarines in the theatre considering all damage your one Dutch submarine is doing. Another two subs would be helpful. Great series.

[@shaunholt]

He's said he doesn't like to use subs much since they make the campaign so easy, so he keeps sub use to a minimum to maintain balance.

[@stephenfarthing3819]

The RAF won't let you down. Ad Ardva ad Astra!

[@1stpogo]

Your initial hits on the Myoko were on the stern, thats why her speed dropped to 0. Your next couple of attacks hit an undamaged part of the ship so you didn't add to the damage that you did with your first attack. Your last attack hit the stern but only one hit so that apparently was not enough to sink it. AI ships do seem to be pretty resistant to sinking but thats my guess why this Myoko did not go down.

[@Omen1018]

The ship being able to move after being immobilized is a little silly imo

[@temps845]

Their resilience is to compensate for the lackluster AI. That's also why the AI has tons of command points and task forces. Normally this unfairness is annoying as hell but i think this scenario gives a good reason as to the overwhelming odds

[@1stpogo]

I agree. If the ship can't move on the tactical map then it shouldn't move on the strategic map.

[@devrossik]

Actually, attacks hitting an already damaged part of the ship generally do not increase the flooding, so they are mostly wasted. You always want to hit undamaged potions of the ship. Unfortunately this game offers very little opportunity to direct attacks toward specific parts of a ship.

[@mickeyd.6467]

Man, I was getting frustrated for you with those Myoko's. Glad you sunk one at least.

[@dak3031]

I think the ships that cannot move under their own power in tactical but move on the map is because the other ships in the task force are towing them

[@Twangaming]

The Buffalo model is actually surprisingly impressive

[@JessWLStuart]

Great playing! Loving this series!

[@rialb007]

This entire series: "This ship is done for!" Dear reader, the ship was fine.

[@spiffywolf2850]

I wonder how much your hold out in java and such would have changed the course of history. Love the series. Unique and cool!

[@joeobyrne3189]

Great episode, finally sunk one.

[@stanstenson8168]

So yesterday I looked up O-19. According to wiki, I know they aren't so great, those external tubes should have ten mines each in them. Twenty total. Have you ever mined a harbor? Might be worth checking out. Keep the IJN from doing drive-bys on your ports.

[@sigamer216]

Are mines a feature in this game?

[@stanstenson8168]

@@sigamer216 Don't know. It would be cool though.

[@WWXspartan058]

Mines are not in the game

[@stanstenson8168]

@@WWXspartan058 Bummer. I wonder, what's in the external tubes then?

[@sigamer216]

@@stanstenson8168 Torpedos i believe

[@captain61games49]

Really been enjoying this playthough

[@Lannerii]

Loving this series! A ship with damaged engines could still be towed, and I think that was historically done by both the USN and IJN during the Pacific War. I know it's frustrating, but I don't think that's a fair criticism of WotS.

[@barny4586]

Why do you keep level bombers in formation, if they all attack individually they are much more likely to score hits.

[@michaelbedinger4121]

Great video, thank you. 😊

[@SteelHand071]

Great series, love watching these. Just an update on pronunciation from the Australian side. Batavia = Ba-Tay-Via, Yarra = Yar-Rah

[@jagdwolf606]

I love this series

[@Wolfpack345]

Thanks!

[@tymonroper6701]

20:17 also tha toylets

[@Ilimar1]

Great job on your strikes.

[@TEGRULZ]

I will say though, had the Allies inflicted those kind of ship casualties on the Japanese at this point in the war, that kind of attrition would have devastated the Japanese Navy. They were originally highly victorious in this campaign, victory after victory, to lose any heavies in this campaign would have been a very different universe.

[@screamingeagles2670]

I think it would be more effective and cooler to have you bombers engage individually and from different angles, especially while skip bombing. When attacking from multiple angles the flak can only focus a one or two planes at a time instead of carpeting an entire formation in dense flak.

[@familymorotskiy6929]

As you mentioned in this video you don’t like that damaged ships move with their group on the campaign map, but you can think of it in another way. (It could be getting towed) 😮😮😮

[@MrDoggo23]

Aircrafts formations can be such a hassle, especially when targets change orientation. Whole squadrons can just waste payloads because of their position not being in line with the target.

[@CaptainAvatar238]

Love these. O-19 has a lot of good tonnage. Add more subs.

[@shipsability]

Intresting, you're here killing one ship a day with your submarines and i'm here sinking one submarine a day.. x)

[@Abubble1234]

Gotta say, the aircraft portion of these fights get samey and frustrating. I might be biased because I found you playing sub games in the first place, but I want to see more O-19!

[@stephenfarthing3819]

Ah ha! You've got part 14 in the area. I guess that Saturday we will see what happens next.. I sincerely hope that you start using MTB or PT boats. Though it's more than likely that you're going to mix forces again. A second Dutch Submarine might be a good idea. Or even the USS Gar. I remain hopeful..

[@Arto4katherandomUkrainian]

Great video! Also, like for the HOI4 music

[@Wolfpack345]

Thanks!

[@BlakeJackson2001]

That Myoko is the Japanese verison of the Paul Jones

[@arthurcrego8297]

Outstanding great work.

[@stephenmagan3685]

Great episode. What was the name of the ship you sunk at the end?

[@mysteriesaboutlife4986]

the way i think of it is her escorts are towing her that how she move on the map but not in battle

[@JTelli786]

I agree with your statement about how an immobilized ship still moves with her task force. I wished they had a tow feature in the game or the AI would detach a wounded ship with an escorting destroyer at least. So far it's my only big issue with the game.

[@sinsley1]

7:00 nah I say let them move on the map because it is possible to tow a ship. Just reduce the speed of the task force on the map

[@garydent6056]

They have got to do something about the ship damage! Noway that ship took that much damage and stayed afloat

[@MetallicaMan172]

If a ship is so severely damaged, that they're dead in the water, other ships in the convoy should be able to tow it, but at a reduced campaign speed

[@subjectc7505]

I'm surprised they just let the Myoko sit there, no attempt to tow it or anything.

[@SSFhighcommandJOHN]

The World at War soundtrack? Sweet

[@g.r.8792]

Do 24 is German Dornier?

[@Baerzilla]

I know im late, but maybe consider the moving on the campaign map even though mobility killed as the ship beeing towed by another one in the group.

[@kazuma_koon]

I guess the Myoko is the Japanese version of the South Dakota....they're everywhere.