War Thunder - WHAT is the NEXT STEP in the IR MISSILES? WHAT will they LOOK LIKE?

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MatAWG

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19 күн бұрын

How will the next gen of IR missiles be?
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@bwhittv1446
@bwhittv1446 17 күн бұрын
I wouldn’t mind these next gen missiles getting added if they would ACTUALLY lower player count, and not just a “chance” at a “smaller” game.
@user-fn5ng2fm6h
@user-fn5ng2fm6h 17 күн бұрын
100% right
@dustin2264
@dustin2264 17 күн бұрын
We need rooms u can join like 4 ×4. , 6×6 , 8×8 , 2×2 been needed
@dwright_origins5157
@dwright_origins5157 17 күн бұрын
Counterpoint, I don’t think player count would be a big deal if the maps were 4-5x bigger and more useful things to do besides just A2A. Such as SEAD, better anti-ship weapons and targets to use them on, AWACs, etc.
@raux6812
@raux6812 17 күн бұрын
@@dwright_origins5157 bigger maps would still be the same thing, everyone goes in the same direction and then merge with the other team while the bvr ones go to the sky and die before going to ground
@lukavanwoerkom7283
@lukavanwoerkom7283 17 күн бұрын
@@raux6812 thats why they need to make it enduring confrontation. EC, bigger maps with more things to do like more interesting ground targets would also make ground attackers more fun and useful. even making realstic EC with the current maps (so just like sim but then realistic battles) would be a lot better and more fun then what we currently have IMO.
@Polish204-3
@Polish204-3 17 күн бұрын
Lower the Match Players first. Not a 0,1% of having a "12v12" wich is still way too much. 6v6 should be normal, and then another mode with 12v12
@philneal3750
@philneal3750 17 күн бұрын
6v6 with respawns like ground rb would be best imo, declutters the battlefield but still allows you to get relatively high kill games
@Polish204-3
@Polish204-3 17 күн бұрын
@@philneal3750 exactly, respawns with Tickets
@atent_free99
@atent_free99 17 күн бұрын
Nah, 50 player teams, keep maps the same size. That would be balanced
@BiscuitDelivery
@BiscuitDelivery 17 күн бұрын
@@atent_free99 yes and give the F-14 an air spawn and lower its BR to 11.0 so it can avoid AMRAMs
@Polish204-3
@Polish204-3 16 күн бұрын
@@atent_free99 limit the Maps to City and Afghanistan
@geeno_ms5233
@geeno_ms5233 17 күн бұрын
guys just a disclaimer for the people that think the Python-4 is on pair with the 9X, IRIS-T, MICA-IR or ASRAAM, the Python-4 is still a missile with technology from the 80s like the AAM-3 both missiles were developed practically at the same time, the AAM-3 got put in service in 1992 and that thing have IR/UV seeker (Dual-Band), the Python-4 got put in service in 1994 IR/UV too (Dual-Band) both missiles are similar when we talk about IRCCM technology, the only difference here is the special manouvrability that the Python-4 have which is better, but if we compare the AAM-3 and the Python-4 with 9X, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, MICA-IR those are a different breed because they combine a full agressive manouvrability with and incredible IRCCM technology IIR (Imagine Seekers) thing that is a totally whole upgrade on IRCCM performance, soo... this is only a comentary for the ones who are not familiarized with the Python family and think that the Python-4 is a holy missile that would spank buts everywhere this its not the case the missile can be fooled more easier than an 9X, IRIS-T, ASRAAM, ETC, the truly one that you should fear is the Python-5 that thing is a monster of its own but even some missiles like the IRIS-T can beat the Python-5 in some aspects. thank you for dedicate part of your time to read this! have a nice day guys! PS: right now the Baz Meshupar is in a poor state the jet is just an upgraded F-15A which is correct the radar is just a revision of the Normal AN/APG-63 that got upgraded with the ability to use AMRAAMs, right now the Baz Meshupar does not have Datalink soo this mean not datalink channels too to guide multiple amraams and does not have TWS and does not have Radar HMD soo... if we compare the Baz Meshupar with the rest of top tiers right now is in a rough spot, soo... what am saying with this is that in the next major update we have the possibility of getting the Python-4 for the Baz Meshupar in compensation because they can do nothing more about it the radar is just an "improved" APG-63 renamed to APG-63 PSP simple as that, soo maybe the Python-4 would help to make it competitive at closer ranges like it happened with the Netz and like they did with the Kurnass 2K when they removed the Sparrows which is historical correct.
@squarescope3056
@squarescope3056 17 күн бұрын
I’m pretty sure we don’t have much info on the python 5, so it would be hard to add for gaijin. But hopefully they can figure something out because it would be ashame for Israel to lose out on its best aam.
@-..----.--.-...
@-..----.--.-... 16 күн бұрын
​@@squarescope3056 Dude, they have added challenger 3 and 2S38...
@rayhanramanda5303
@rayhanramanda5303 13 күн бұрын
I would say, Gaijin wouldnt know how to model the Python 5 LOAL mechanic, so they have restraint for that​@@-..----.--.-...
@PvtPartzz
@PvtPartzz 17 күн бұрын
We need game mode changes before the next gen weapons. We needed those game changes before fox 3’s were added… we need rb EC.
@gonzadiaz3194
@gonzadiaz3194 17 күн бұрын
What does EC mean
@nikolaideianov5092
@nikolaideianov5092 17 күн бұрын
​​​@@gonzadiaz3194enduring confrontation If you want an example look into sim Edit: sim air
@nikolaideianov5092
@nikolaideianov5092 17 күн бұрын
​@@gonzadiaz3194 Eduring confrontation
@PvtPartzz
@PvtPartzz 17 күн бұрын
@@gonzadiaz3194 enduring confrontation. It’s the game mode that you play in sim battles where you get unlimited respawns and can leave the match at your own discretion without being punished. You play it on much larger maps and have varied objectives. It’s far more enjoyable than the 3-5 minute deathmatch that air rb is. At one point, air rb did have an enduring confrontation game mode which people very much enjoyed despite its problems (which have mostly been fixed for sim battles). The prevailing conspiracy theory for why it hasn’t returned is that it would make the game less frustrating to grind through the tech trees therefor hurting gaijin’s premium sales (which would be ridiculous considering that people are happy to spend more money on a game they’re enjoying).
@GoodGuyDevin
@GoodGuyDevin 17 күн бұрын
@@gonzadiaz3194 enduring confrontation, a type of map in SIM that is like 3x the size of regular maps, has multiple airfields, and way more objectives.
@harrisonsel34566
@harrisonsel34566 17 күн бұрын
You know what we just need we need like 400x400km maps or just like a mode for air ec it would just be air rb but with like 300x300km or 400x400km maps it would be much more fun the games rn are to fast and just missiles flying around everywhere
@treyfloyd6003
@treyfloyd6003 17 күн бұрын
Sim maps, smaller player count
@Acrappyitalianegineer
@Acrappyitalianegineer 17 күн бұрын
The aim9x uses an IIR seeker, similar to the IR imaging system found on some agm 65’s
@christopherchartier3017
@christopherchartier3017 17 күн бұрын
In other words, good luck flaring it. Unless you’re some random ass Su-7
@Floopuss
@Floopuss 17 күн бұрын
@@christopherchartier3017also im pretty sure it has a ground lock mode where it can lock onto stuff like the Mavs can
@christopherchartier3017
@christopherchartier3017 17 күн бұрын
@@Floopuss that’s kinda funny
@Floopuss
@Floopuss 17 күн бұрын
@@christopherchartier3017 imaging just chilling in ur AA and u die and it says AIM-9X, I’d be so mad
@patrioticpanda7618
@patrioticpanda7618 17 күн бұрын
So does like. Every other missile of the generation
@giorgigachechiladze1679
@giorgigachechiladze1679 16 күн бұрын
They will probably come with the fa18 and with the eurofighter and ofc su30
@exonys3838
@exonys3838 17 күн бұрын
Meta wise the best will be without any doubt the MICA, probably the best seeker since it’s one of the most modern, he turn a bit less than the others but still really tight and you would easily get 10+ km kills with it, he also has INS so he can be fired like a fox 3 and lock the target like a fox 3 would do except it’s with a IR seeker and not a radar, just imagine being tracked by an almost unflrable missile that can turn 50G even 7 seconds after launch (he do around 7 to 9km in these 7 seconds, depending on the launch parameters)
@Stannley976
@Stannley976 17 күн бұрын
You are gentle with the 10 km it has 60 km of range like the EM version so at 40 it will be already in the air and won't trigger any rwr and have a 20 km seeker just silent death only a MAWS can save you but it will be to close for flares
@blackbite6178
@blackbite6178 17 күн бұрын
Honestly, anything with at least 30 g is already impossible to dodge just by turning, it has 40 or more, it doesn't matter.
@exonys3838
@exonys3838 17 күн бұрын
@@Stannley976 yeah, but I was talking in range for the seeker, but you are totally right and it would be really OP
@yair3219
@yair3219 17 күн бұрын
Keep doing these videos🙏🏼🙏🏼 u r the best🔥🔥
@user-uy4xj8wr2d
@user-uy4xj8wr2d 17 күн бұрын
has anyone had an issue with countermeasures not deploying in air sim even though you've got more than enough. its happened while i flew the f16c and su27. anyone know of a fix?
@jonathanfarrell14
@jonathanfarrell14 17 күн бұрын
I think we should get jammers first before newer missiles and is there a better way to add it other than with the f18
@Samcf9
@Samcf9 17 күн бұрын
RIP everyone below 13.0 who ain't getting these :(
@ichosolemanuel6048
@ichosolemanuel6048 17 күн бұрын
wdym will probably be added in 1 year or more
@IckyStickyOils
@IckyStickyOils 17 күн бұрын
They need to add stuff to do like ace combat, Target rich environment for ground pounders etc.
@Bad_Karma777
@Bad_Karma777 17 күн бұрын
Python 5 will be the lord of IR missiles
@noamax1
@noamax1 17 күн бұрын
Yes but u have a lot of time till then
@gerwhitetiger6386
@gerwhitetiger6386 17 күн бұрын
Not really that will be the IRIS-T rocket. But we'll see when they're in
@noamax1
@noamax1 17 күн бұрын
@@gerwhitetiger6386 the irist is in python 4 level not python 5
@GoodGuyDevin
@GoodGuyDevin 17 күн бұрын
@@gerwhitetiger6386 we wont see iris-t its just too much of a wild card, imagine some guy flaring it just for it to do a 180 degree turn and re-lock the aircraft, we will see aim-9x and r73m first since even most nato aircraft today still use the 9x, even the gripen has the option use 9x and Iris-T. and the aim-9x is actually somewhat flare-able as we saw with the case of of the f-18 shooting a 9x at a su-22 irl, and the su-22 spoofed the 9x.
@hangar1873
@hangar1873 17 күн бұрын
Mica IR above all
@user-mx1fq6qm6i
@user-mx1fq6qm6i 17 күн бұрын
Oh g-d please no. Thermal imaging fox-2s would be so horrible for gameplay, since they are effectively unflarable.
@simon2493
@simon2493 17 күн бұрын
Battles at close ranges are gonna come down to who fires first wins.
@TeamValkyrie2023
@TeamValkyrie2023 17 күн бұрын
That's kind of how it goes irl in combat. Usually the guy that shoots first wins so for all you guys that like realism there you go
@toxickilljoy9037
@toxickilljoy9037 16 күн бұрын
​@TeamValkyrie2023 actually it's more like "Hey I'm getting shot at here, I'm defending. Can you kill that guy?" "Yes" "Okay, is he dead?" "Yes" "Thank you" Or some variation of that
@simon2493
@simon2493 16 күн бұрын
@@TeamValkyrie2023 Going with realism one will need to position himself before the engagement even starts.
@troy_pl1138
@troy_pl1138 16 күн бұрын
little yes but little no, because if you shoot second, you still shoot so the end of day finally you'll do one for one xd
@D4nger_CLO5E
@D4nger_CLO5E 16 күн бұрын
I think at Christmas we see 4.5 with all new tech at the rate we are going, IR and BVR.
@limekoffer
@limekoffer 16 күн бұрын
The r74E-Pd would be nice if the matches were smaller
@fluffytoaster2099
@fluffytoaster2099 17 күн бұрын
Short answer, no we're not ready for pattern recognission 60 to 80 g thruat vectoring super mega jard to flare looping missiles
@shadowsavage1014
@shadowsavage1014 12 күн бұрын
Why wasnt the PL-10 mentioned??
@therealavenger3537
@therealavenger3537 15 күн бұрын
Lets see if gaijin can get their G overloads right on all of these new missiles.
@Garrett2046
@Garrett2046 17 күн бұрын
If they add these new ir missle they need every ir missle take flares
@midnattsol6207
@midnattsol6207 17 күн бұрын
there also are the long range radar missiles like what the mig-25 carried - and that tech is pretty old for not being in the game yet
@troy_pl1138
@troy_pl1138 16 күн бұрын
Aim-54 phoenix is long range bvr rocket, but yes, he is so old
@lizrad_plays6592
@lizrad_plays6592 17 күн бұрын
We need decoys and electrical warfare before we get Aim9X and better 120s (AIM120c) @MatAWG make video on how we can use Electrical warfare in war thunder. Bc we need to shine a light on that.
@oofdotcom420
@oofdotcom420 17 күн бұрын
first they need to make the air battles realistic in SIZE
@PhantomZAKU
@PhantomZAKU 17 күн бұрын
Would be nuts.
@kingghidorah8106
@kingghidorah8106 16 күн бұрын
Comedy lies in the fact that we're getting 6v6 again in props but in br's as low as 2.0 while jet tier is the same clusterhell of 10.0 plus going to high altitude maps just to notch towards the mountains.
@thomasferguson923
@thomasferguson923 17 күн бұрын
yoo matt your upload skedual is mad
@Bud_Weedmin
@Bud_Weedmin 16 күн бұрын
To be fair a 3v3 would be cool
@hehe-kc8gh
@hehe-kc8gh 17 күн бұрын
2 uploads crazy
@saltysteel3996
@saltysteel3996 17 күн бұрын
Where AIM-9X
@troy_pl1138
@troy_pl1138 16 күн бұрын
was in movie?
@dustin2264
@dustin2264 17 күн бұрын
I swear first time I see someone say aim 174 and f18 I'm going ballistic
@nomikomaryu5049
@nomikomaryu5049 17 күн бұрын
Would still leave the upgraded Fox-3's up as an option. A lot of people are complaining about the Fox-3's so if they want a more equal Fox-3 fight the Aim-120C-7 and R-77-1 era missiles would definitely even it out
@thomasgerrets9090
@thomasgerrets9090 17 күн бұрын
I just got the f15-c yessir
@141menace
@141menace 17 күн бұрын
enjoy the stock grind
@lilcj2014
@lilcj2014 16 күн бұрын
​@@141menacelet a man be happy. Don't remind him about depression
@swarv5027
@swarv5027 17 күн бұрын
Let’s talk bout HARMS. We got fox 1,2 & 3. I’m sure many people wanna be able to call out magnum and be able to combat the pantsir. Also the real Skyhawk for US. I still want that before anything else
@Dexors123
@Dexors123 17 күн бұрын
The AAM-3 should have gatewidth + seeker shut off IRCCM.
@patrioticpanda7618
@patrioticpanda7618 17 күн бұрын
So should magic 2
@aflyingcowboy31
@aflyingcowboy31 17 күн бұрын
The AIM-9M should have "Flare Rate Bias" and "Push Ahead" IRCCM features.
@mielpops4655
@mielpops4655 17 күн бұрын
mica ir are going to be hell, mach 4, 80km range, thrust vectoring with 50g at short range and 30g at long range, gl to flare it, its a unique missile even usa failed making a fox 2 with fox 3 range,
@gie_gielp4973
@gie_gielp4973 17 күн бұрын
In short: if he wants to kill u he will kill u. IRIS-T Has an officel seeker rang about 14km front Aspekte. Thats sounds funny
@Im-getting-shadowbanned
@Im-getting-shadowbanned 17 күн бұрын
IR missiles are a bit useless now, the lack of range is the biggest problem. Lately 9M is amazing ignoring flares, but because the very short range i dont fire then to much in battles with the gripen, despite have only 4 darter(who is notoriously worse that AIM-120). So, more turn i feel is a bit irrelevant since 30gs is already unavoidable. Better IRCCM(specially for all aspect shots) but mostly range, is what IR missiles need now to be competitive.
@dustin2264
@dustin2264 17 күн бұрын
I got my role of aluminum foil to drop out my cockpit
@dontworry2379
@dontworry2379 17 күн бұрын
Ranked 1v1 when?
@PaPaFiggy69
@PaPaFiggy69 16 күн бұрын
Would nice to have but for the love of all things holy we need much larger maps and the smaller matches wpuld be nice to 12 v 12 only works with maps much larger than wht we have.
@kalumbailey5103
@kalumbailey5103 17 күн бұрын
Asraam and meteor when gaijin?!
@blackbite6178
@blackbite6178 17 күн бұрын
The meteor is not even remotely close, it has more range than could go from start to finish of the largest map in the game and would have enough energy to hit someone flying cold
@Corefailure24
@Corefailure24 17 күн бұрын
Jus fix the flight models and game modes first
@MrPhil360
@MrPhil360 17 күн бұрын
Either bigger maps or less players, way bigger maps
@souththunder.
@souththunder. 17 күн бұрын
me who want 64vs64 :(
@gbzin4684
@gbzin4684 17 күн бұрын
It could work on a G-I-N-O-R-M-O-U-S map. 500km×500km Also, multiple airfields and a limit of type of aircraft. Throw it in the sim tab, crank up the rewards and it should work
@blackbite6178
@blackbite6178 17 күн бұрын
Don't you know custom battles?
@Anthony1102www
@Anthony1102www 17 күн бұрын
Bro in the current and later on matter IR missile isn't that effective anymore I must be honest with you
@ex0ghost837
@ex0ghost837 16 күн бұрын
IRIS-T has a 100g pull bro
@therealavenger3537
@therealavenger3537 15 күн бұрын
Nowhere close to 100g...
@ex0ghost837
@ex0ghost837 15 күн бұрын
@@therealavenger3537 source?
@therealavenger3537
@therealavenger3537 15 күн бұрын
@@ex0ghost837 i want to see a source for 100g IRIS-T lmfao Tf kinda crack are you on, the performance stats set by the german government and german defense ministry has a 50g overload limit for the AIM-2000 missiles.
@illegalaryan823
@illegalaryan823 17 күн бұрын
We have had the same air rb for 10 years now. How much more cheese are we going to cram into this clusterfuck before we demand change to the game mode that is blatantly insufficient for the technology we have NOW, let alone newer tech.
@Alamo-a2a
@Alamo-a2a 16 күн бұрын
Você é brasileiro?
@SiberianMaestro
@SiberianMaestro 17 күн бұрын
Next step is Python 4, and later Python 5, 9X etc.
@devaio8186
@devaio8186 16 күн бұрын
We need new gameplay ! Rocket did hi br almost like shit
@projectspiffo9949
@projectspiffo9949 7 күн бұрын
if yall yapping about the 12 vs 12 of rb then just play sim (pls do we rlly need more people in sim😭😭😭)
@Russertlog
@Russertlog 17 күн бұрын
honestly it would be nice rather than missle spam ir missles actually use effort
@PvtPartzz
@PvtPartzz 17 күн бұрын
@@Russertlog these would be even easier to use than fox 3’s imo. Fire them off with TWS at 30 miles for them to go pitbul with an IR seeker that gives zero warning to the target and then they’re dead. Honestly, this is the first time I’ve looked at newer weapon systems and think they’d be absolutely terrible for the game.
@blank_989
@blank_989 17 күн бұрын
game is not ready for these advancements
@flymax4066
@flymax4066 17 күн бұрын
Yes, they need to change alot to add these type of missiles
@manueldelbusto725
@manueldelbusto725 17 күн бұрын
IRs are mostly irrelevant in modern aerial combat, dont get me wrong they are insane and in case of a merge it will define who dies or not but getting to merge is something that should be extremely rare with modern Fox 3s...
@rastohurray4945
@rastohurray4945 16 күн бұрын
Mark my words... out of all of those missiles r73m and r74 will be the worst...as in typical Gayjins fashion...
@DeathGodArgon
@DeathGodArgon 17 күн бұрын
We need better fox 3s for nations that don't have amraam
@Iden_in_the_Rain
@Iden_in_the_Rain 17 күн бұрын
They really need to just fix the issues with the current non-AMRAAM Fox 3s. Well really all Fox 3s need to be fixed, pretty much everyone on the forums has said none of the missiles are performing accurately.
@DeathGodArgon
@DeathGodArgon 17 күн бұрын
@Iden_in_the_Rain I wouldn't doubt it, the mica especially seems to death wobble way too much
@harrisonsel34566
@harrisonsel34566 17 күн бұрын
@@Iden_in_the_Rainyea I agree who someone who uses 8 amraams on the f15c the way the amraam sustains energy is very good obviously accurately but for the r77 they are not good the r77 sadly is just not modeled right gajin models the energy depletion constantly which they need for the r77 the fins don’t create a lot of drag at supersonic speeds they create a lot of drag in transonic speeds but gaijin does not model them like that sadly
@user-fn5ng2fm6h
@user-fn5ng2fm6h 17 күн бұрын
It will destroy the game
@mich421
@mich421 17 күн бұрын
Oh no it's already a pain to avoid the American ones you have to waste a lot of flare
@user-dv5qx5kv2o
@user-dv5qx5kv2o 17 күн бұрын
People still bitching about 12v12 LMFAO im having such a great time in top tier because everything is now equal.... Aim-9X block 1 60g turning and improved aerodynamic design improved flight performance is ok but the Aim-9X-2 is where everything changes 100G turning extremely good IRCCM very improved performance and datalink wide FOV seeker meaning if it misses you it will turn around and try and hit you again we are getting to the point in warthunder air RB where US will constantly be dominating the sky with all the available public knowledge of these aircraft and missile systems because other countries dont release this much info about the missiles and jets they have
@cvrbon6
@cvrbon6 17 күн бұрын
it's already bad enough please no
@fboyg91
@fboyg91 17 күн бұрын
US mains in the comments: its not enough that we have the best radar, most CMs, best fox-3s, and most OP flight models! We need the best fox-2s too, otherwise russian bias and unfair!!!1!
@blackbite6178
@blackbite6178 17 күн бұрын
It is because the R77 is poorly made, many pages say that it should have a little bit more range than the aim120, like 2km or 5 km, but because of its fins, it loses more speed in turns, in the game it loses speed by going straight without doing anything, it has less range than a sparrow at 12km is already subsonic doesn't make sense lol and the seeker is garbage it only works in head on,
@Im-getting-shadowbanned
@Im-getting-shadowbanned 17 күн бұрын
Russian mains having for over a year the best missile(R27) ingame(and maybe still being the best), while 7F/7M was underperforming and bugged, a huge biased ground top tier, with still biased Ka50/52, and Kh29/38 being absolutely OP, while AGM-65 was usseles for over 2 years until now: The game is balanced. Russian mains when USA is good in top tier for 1 patch(only Air, in ground top tier is dogshit): Why US mains complain?
@blackbite6178
@blackbite6178 17 күн бұрын
@@Im-getting-shadowbanned but if in the previous patch you flew low and the r27 and aim7m went to the ground, and the r27er was the only option that Russia had, the r27r was worse than the matra super and it was also better but the aim7m was the second best, the helicopters all They are the same, we are talking about the fact that now the R77 is the worst of all, I have the USA, Germany and Russia and I am going up to France and nmms I can tell you that the aim7m worked well for me, it is the people who do not know how to use the radar or who Throw it too far or like all missiles you fly low and the missile doesn't hit you, pure skill issue on your part Also, I am not main USA or main Russia, I am main Germany. In addition, the Maveric, the Russians had a maximum of 4 kh29, the F16c has 6 Maverics plus 2 guided bombs and everything with the camera that has thermal, and the Abrams that I tell you, even if they put the Abrams abrams is an inferior design added to the fact that there are pure wallet warriors who don't know how to play and choose usa because it is the most popular and come out crying like you and I don't understand how you say the agm65 were useless, maybe they missed 1 out of 6 because of a tree or building but if you launch them flying high there is no anti-aircraft or tank that can do anything Also in the previous one they had the f16c and the f15a previous the f14b in the previous one the f16a that flew like a ufo and had the 9l that at the time were broken before that the f14a that was still broken with the aim54 I don't know what you are saying that only 1 patch are you crazy The closest thing Russia had to compete was the Mig29a, which only had 2 useful missiles, and the Su27, which was better than other things, but the Gripen was the best of that patch.
@aflyingcowboy31
@aflyingcowboy31 17 күн бұрын
@@blackbite6178 "It is because the R77 is poorly made, many pages say that it should have a little bit more range than the aim120, like 2km or 5 km" Yea no, the AIM-120 is still underperforming according to declassified documents that were actually given in bug reports. Russia's range figures come from extremely high altitude tests, the people who told you it should outperform the AIM-120 are simply hoping/biased into believing this, I have not seen any actual evidence/proof to backup their claims other then "trust me bro". "and the r27er was the only option that Russia had, the r27r was worse than the matra super and it was also better but the aim7m was the second best" This is a complete lie, the R27R already outperforms the AIM-7F/M, the R27ER did not need to be added whatsoever. "and the Abrams that I tell you, even if they put the Abrams abrams is an inferior design" There is actually nothing wrong with the M1s design, the fact you think how it is in game is how it is IRL is shockingly sad.... The inferior designed tanks are the T series tanks which is why Russia needs their 20-15 - 2020 tanks to fight 1990 - 2006 tanks..... "I am going up to France and nmms I can tell you that the aim7m worked well for me" Complete lie, literally everyone in the community (even MATAWG) acknowledged the AIM-7s were not even close to competitive against the R-27ER, you straight up had to hope they would at least go for your target or that you weren't facing a Russian plane because you would lose that encounter 100% of the time. "come out crying like you and I don't understand how you say the agm65 were useless, maybe they missed 1 out of 6 because of a tree or building but if you launch them flying high there" hahaha, mate, how are you so full of it? Even if they hit something they did no damage, that's why Gaijin completely reworked their damage models in this update.... "f16a that flew like a ufo" So IRL the F16 flies like a UFO then? Because according to actual bug reports and Gaijins comments the F-16s are actually practically spot on performance wise when compared to their IRL performance data sheets. " don't know what you are saying that only 1 patch are you crazy The closest thing Russia had to compete was the Mig29a, which only had 2 useful missiles, and the Su27, which was better than other things, but the Gripen was the best of that patch." Are you crazy? The R-27ER was singlehandedly the best missile in the game for 1.5 years..... Gaijin did not even try to give other nations better missiles.
@aflyingcowboy31
@aflyingcowboy31 17 күн бұрын
@@blackbite6178 "It is because the R77 is poorly made, many pages say that it should have a little bit more range than the aim120, like 2km or 5 km" Yea no, the AIM-120 is still underperforming according to declassified documents that were actually given in bug reports. Russia's range figures come from extremely high altitude tests, the people who told you it should outperform the AIM-120 are simply hoping/biased into believing this, I have not seen any actual evidence/proof to backup their claims other then "trust me bro". "and the r27er was the only option that Russia had, the r27r was worse than the matra super and it was also better but the aim7m was the second best" This is a complete lie, the R27R already outperforms the AIM-7F/M, the R27ER did not need to be added whatsoever. "and the Abrams that I tell you, even if they put the Abrams abrams is an inferior design" There is actually nothing wrong with the M1s design, the fact you think how it is in game is how it is IRL is shockingly sad.... The inferior designed tanks are the T series tanks which is why Russia needs their 20-15 - 2020 tanks to fight 1990 - 2006 tanks..... "I am going up to France and nmms I can tell you that the aim7m worked well for me" Complete lie, literally everyone in the community (even MATAWG) acknowledged the AIM-7s were not even close to competitive against the R-27ER, you straight up had to hope they would at least go for your target or that you weren't facing a Russian plane because you would lose that encounter 100% of the time.
@Lulzwhat
@Lulzwhat 17 күн бұрын
Aim-9X should be in-game long time ago. There is currently no ways to counter R-73 in close combat. I personally made some kills with R-73 at insane agnles which would be impossible with any other missile in the game.
@elo4998
@elo4998 17 күн бұрын
nice bait
@mesobean
@mesobean 17 күн бұрын
Skill issue
@Iden_in_the_Rain
@Iden_in_the_Rain 17 күн бұрын
They could’ve added a prototype AIM-9X with only 50G, wouldn’t have been that busted seeing how the AIM-9M and R-73 also have a 10G overload difference
@SovietUnion_
@SovietUnion_ 17 күн бұрын
Nice bait bud. No way to counter R73 is beyond skill issue. Preflare and slight turn is all it takes to defeat the missile, while you have to do calculus to dodge Aim9M.
@Lulzwhat
@Lulzwhat 17 күн бұрын
@@SovietUnion_ You can flare any missile, but you cant hit the target with any missile on such angles like R-73 potentially can.
@manxmotorsportsOG
@manxmotorsportsOG 17 күн бұрын
I hope they don't add new missiles.The fox threes have ruined war thunder at top tier.
@Swordfish-kb3qj
@Swordfish-kb3qj 17 күн бұрын
They haven’t completely ruined it tho it just changed the meta to trying to stay alive unless your stock then top tier is cooked
@harrisonsel34566
@harrisonsel34566 17 күн бұрын
They haven’t ruined them it’s just 16v16 on 150x150 km is what’s is bad if we had 10v10 8v8 on 350 km maps it would be much more fun trust me
@manxmotorsportsOG
@manxmotorsportsOG 17 күн бұрын
​@Swordfish-kb3qj I partially agree, they could start improving the game by revising the stock grind idea by making it different in some way, it makes no sense why they're doing it the way they're doing it...
@manxmotorsportsOG
@manxmotorsportsOG 17 күн бұрын
​@harrisonsel34566 I don't know man, it was a alot more fun before, I've got the gripen c and the f15 like I've got these planes it's just not very fun
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